Subject: Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak

From: John Linney <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 07:57:53 -0700

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Go figure. I went through three of them before arriving at my =E2=80=98gum i=
t up with something=E2=80=99 solution.

> On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:16 AM, David Friedlander <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> I replaced my original because somehow,  the handle on the tap had broken o=
ff. I didn't know the replacement ones all leaked.  I wonder if TRF and Moss=
 even know about the problem.  If they do, why would they continue to sell w=
hat they know is faulty, without trying to get the issue(s) resolved?
>=20
> Dave
>=20
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 7:29 AM Tom Mulligan <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>> Perhaps the reproduction cocks are poorly made but the original ones didn=
't leak. The design is ancient (similar cocks tapped beer kegs in the middle=
 ages). There are two on every TR2 or 3, one in the block and one in the rad=
iator.=20
>> And Dave, the plug is not a bad idea, and you wouldn't be the first to re=
sort to that. Mine both work and don't leak but I never use them . On the ra=
re occasions that I drain the coolant, I simply pull off the bottom radiator=
 hose, quick and easy.
>> Tom
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> From: Steve Kirby <[email-masked]>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:50 PM
>> To: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
>> Cc: Tom Mulligan <[email-masked]>; TR3 Triumphs <[email-masked]=
am.net>; New England Triumphs <[email-masked]>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak
>> =20
>> They all leak.  Bad design from day one.  You can try removing it, disass=
embling it and lapping the mating surfaces with valve lapping compound.
>>=20
>> Steve Kirby
>>=20
>> On Sep 13, 2020, at 12:09 PM, David Friedlander <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
>>=20
>>> Hey Tom ~ Thanks! I needed the laugh. Maybe I should 'avoid the rush' an=
d just install a pipe plug now... =F0=9F=98=8A
>>>=20
>>> Dave
>>>=20
>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 2:42 PM Tom Mulligan <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>>> Oh, And if  you get the leak to stop it will eventually clog up solid wi=
th crud and never leak (or drain) again.
>>> Tom
>>>=20
>>> From: NET <[email-masked]> on behalf of David Friedl=
ander via NET <[email-masked]>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 2:21 PM
>>> To: TR3 Triumphs <[email-masked]>; New England Triumphs <net@ne=
wenglandtriumphs.org>
>>> Subject: [NET] Small coolant leak
>>> =20
>>> I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have traced it to th=
e handle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the block. Anyone el=
se had this issue? It's a new tap and don't know what the fix might be. It's=
 not leaking from where the tap threads into the block... Thanks in advance f=
or any BTDT advice...
>>>=20
>>> Dave
>>> =20
>>>=20
>>> =20
>>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Go figure. I went through three of them bef=
ore arriving at my =E2=80=98gum it up with something=E2=80=99 solution.<br><=
br><div dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:16 AM, D=
avid Friedlander &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"auto">I rep=
laced my original because somehow,&nbsp; the handle on the tap had broken of=
f. I didn't know the replacement ones all leaked.&nbsp; I wonder if TRF and M=
oss even know about the problem.&nbsp; If they do, why would they continue t=
o sell what they know is faulty, without trying to get the issue(s) resolved=
?<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Dave</div></div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 14, 2020=
, 7:29 AM Tom Mulligan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">nute_sho=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:=
rgb(0,0,0)">
Perhaps the reproduction cocks are poorly made but the original ones didn't l=
eak. The design is ancient (similar cocks tapped beer kegs in the middle age=
s). There are two on every TR2 or 3, one in the block and one in the radiato=
r.
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:=
rgb(0,0,0)">
And Dave, the plug is not a bad idea, and you wouldn't be the first to resor=
t to that. Mine both work and don't leak but I never use them . On the rare o=
ccasions that I drain the coolant, I simply pull off the bottom radiator hos=
e, quick and easy.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:=
rgb(0,0,0)">
Tom<br>
</div>
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rgb(0,0,0)">
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<div id=3D"m_-3794611960004115646divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"f=
ont-size:11pt" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> S=
teve Kirby &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tom Mulligan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; TR3 Triumphs &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferr=
er">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; New England Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">net@new=
englandtriumphs.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">They all leak.&nbsp; Bad design from day one.&nbsp; You ca=
n try removing it, disassembling it and lapping the mating surfaces with val=
ve lapping compound.<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"m_-3794611960004115646x_AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Steve Kir=
by</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
On Sep 13, 2020, at 12:09 PM, David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:forzio=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"auto">Hey Tom ~ Thanks! I needed the laugh. Maybe I should 'avoi=
d the rush' and just install a pipe plug now... =F0=9F=98=8A
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Dave</div>
</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 2:42 PM Tom Mulligan &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">nute_shop@=
hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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ft:1ex">
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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:=
rgb(0,0,0)">
Oh, And if&nbsp; you get the leak to stop it will eventually clog up solid w=
ith crud and never leak (or drain) again.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:=
rgb(0,0,0)">
Tom<br>
</div>
<div>
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"ltr"><font style=3D"font-size:11pt" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#=
000000"><b>From:</b> NET &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:net-bounces@newenglandtriumph=
s.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">net-bounces@newenglan=
dtriumphs.org</a>&gt;
 on behalf of David Friedlander via NET &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:net@newengland=
triumphs.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">net@newengland=
triumphs.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2020 2:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> TR3 Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D=
"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; N=
ew England Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D=
"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
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<b>Subject:</b> [NET] Small coolant leak</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"auto">I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have t=
raced it to the handle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the bl=
ock. Anyone else had this issue? It's a new tap and don't know what the fix m=
ight be. It's not leaking from
 where the tap threads into the block... Thanks in advance for any BTDT advi=
ce...
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Dave</div>
</div>
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From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 12:09:42 -0400

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Thank you, Steve. Since the leak occurs (at least for me) primarily when
the system is under pressure, it's hard to know when one has sufficiently
lapped the surfaces. Anyone happen to know the thread size?

Dave

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 11:57 AM Steve Kirby <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> The design of this valve employs a metal on metal interface as a sealing
> surface.  There are no orings, seals or packing of any kind.  The ability
> to seal depends solely on the two tapered metal surfaces being symmetrica=
l
> enough to hold water under pressure.  That is not a good design.  I belie=
ve
> that in the early days, since these valves are rarely used, they seeped
> enough water that eventually enough corrosion set in to accomplish a seal=
.
> The usually start to leak more seriously after the valve has been
> operated.  That makes sense, since then the corrosion seal would be broke=
n
> and the process would have to start all over again.  If the earlier
> corrosion had pitted or otherwise damaged the metal to metal interface,
> then that would make it even harder for the valve to eventually reseal.
>
>
>
> The valve serves little if any purpose.  I simple pipe plug could be
> substituted for a dependable seal and removed when the block is drained.
> However many people want to keep the period correct look of the valve
> (without having the leaking problem).  That is why Moss is considering
> offering a =E2=80=9Cdummy=E2=80=9D valve.  It will look just like the ori=
ginal and the
> handle will even turn, but the passage from the block to the valve stem
> will not be drilled, hence making this in essence a fancy pipe plug.
>
>
>
> The only =E2=80=9Cfix=E2=80=9D I have seen, and it is rarely 100% success=
ful, is to
> disassemble the valve and then try to lap the two metal surfaces together
> using valve lapping compound.  This presumably would =E2=80=9Cperfect=E2=
=80=9D the
> interface of the two metal parts to a point where they would create a
> seal.
>
>
>
> *Steve Kirby*
>
> *President*
>
> *China Auto Group*
>
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>
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>
> *From:* John Linney <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2020 7:58 AM
> *To:* David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* Tom Mulligan <[email-masked]>; TR3 Triumphs <
> [email-masked]>; Steve Kirby <[email-masked]>; New
> England Triumphs <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak
>
>
>
> Go figure. I went through three of them before arriving at my =E2=80=98gu=
m it up
> with something=E2=80=99 solution.
>
> On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:16 AM, David Friedlander <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
>
> I replaced my original because somehow,  the handle on the tap had broken
> off. I didn't know the replacement ones all leaked.  I wonder if TRF and
> Moss even know about the problem.  If they do, why would they continue to
> sell what they know is faulty, without trying to get the issue(s) resolve=
d?
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 7:29 AM Tom Mulligan <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> Perhaps the reproduction cocks are poorly made but the original ones
> didn't leak. The design is ancient (similar cocks tapped beer kegs in the
> middle ages). There are two on every TR2 or 3, one in the block and one i=
n
> the radiator.
>
> And Dave, the plug is not a bad idea, and you wouldn't be the first to
> resort to that. Mine both work and don't leak but I never use them . On t=
he
> rare occasions that I drain the coolant, I simply pull off the bottom
> radiator hose, quick and easy.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Steve Kirby <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:50 PM
> *To:* David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* Tom Mulligan <[email-masked]>; TR3 Triumphs <
> [email-masked]>; New England Triumphs <[email-masked]=
g
> >
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak
>
>
>
> They all leak.  Bad design from day one.  You can try removing it,
> disassembling it and lapping the mating surfaces with valve lapping
> compound.
>
> Steve Kirby
>
>
> On Sep 13, 2020, at 12:09 PM, David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> Hey Tom ~ Thanks! I needed the laugh. Maybe I should 'avoid the rush' and
> just install a pipe plug now... =F0=9F=98=8A
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 2:42 PM Tom Mulligan <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> Oh, And if  you get the leak to stop it will eventually clog up solid wit=
h
> crud and never leak (or drain) again.
>
> Tom
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* NET <[email-masked]> on behalf of David
> Friedlander via NET <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2020 2:21 PM
> *To:* TR3 Triumphs <[email-masked]>; New England Triumphs <
> [email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [NET] Small coolant leak
>
>
>
> I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have traced it to the
> handle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the block. Anyone
> else had this issue? It's a new tap and don't know what the fix might be.
> It's not leaking from where the tap threads into the block... Thanks in
> advance for any BTDT advice...
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Thank you, Steve. Since the leak occurs (at least for me)=
 primarily when the system is under pressure, it&#39;s hard to know when on=
e has sufficiently lapped the surfaces. Anyone happen to know the thread si=
ze?<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Dave=C2=A0</div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Se=
p 14, 2020, 11:57 AM Steve Kirby &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sackirby@chinaautogr=
oup.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">

<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div class=3D"m_-7545487272723173195WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The design of this valve employs a metal on metal in=
terface as a sealing surface.=C2=A0 There are no orings, seals or packing o=
f any kind.=C2=A0 The ability to seal depends solely on the two tapered met=
al surfaces being symmetrical enough to hold
 water under pressure.=C2=A0 That is not a good design.=C2=A0 I believe tha=
t in the early days, since these valves are rarely used, they seeped enough=
 water that eventually enough corrosion set in to accomplish a seal.=C2=A0 =
The usually start to leak more seriously after
 the valve has been operated.=C2=A0 That makes sense, since then the corros=
ion seal would be broken and the process would have to start all over again=
.=C2=A0 If the earlier corrosion had pitted or otherwise damaged the metal =
to metal interface, then that would make it
 even harder for the valve to eventually reseal.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The valve serves little if any purpose.=C2=A0 I simp=
le pipe plug could be substituted for a dependable seal and removed when th=
e block is drained.=C2=A0 However many people want to keep the period corre=
ct look of the valve (without having the leaking
 problem).=C2=A0 That is why Moss is considering offering a =E2=80=9Cdummy=
=E2=80=9D valve.=C2=A0 It will look just like the original and the handle w=
ill even turn, but the passage from the block to the valve stem will not be=
 drilled, hence making this in essence a fancy pipe plug.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The only =E2=80=9Cfix=E2=80=9D I have seen, and it i=
s rarely 100% successful, is to disassemble the valve and then try to lap t=
he two metal surfaces together using valve lapping compound.=C2=A0 This pre=
sumably would =E2=80=9Cperfect=E2=80=9D the interface of the two metal
 parts to a point where they would create a seal.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#0070c0">Steve Kirby<u></=
u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>President<u></u><u></u></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>China Auto Group<u></u><u></u></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">22831 Avenida Empresa<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA<u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Direct:=C2=A0 (949) 261-8208<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Fax:=C2=A0 (949) 767-5949<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Skype: steve.kirby29<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"http://www.chinaautogroup.com" target=3D"=
_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">www.chinaautogroup.com</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> John Linney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:john@=
linneyweb.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 14, 2020 7:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tom Mulligan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; TR3 Triumphs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Steve Kirby &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">sackirby=
@chinaautogroup.com</a>&gt;; New England Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:net=
@newenglandtriumphs.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">net@newenglan=
dtriumphs.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Go figure. I went thr=
ough three of them before arriving at my =E2=80=98gum it up with something=
=E2=80=99 solution.<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Sep 14, 2020, at 6=
:16 AM, David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u><=
/u></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BF<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I replaced my original because somehow,=C2=A0 the ha=
ndle on the tap had broken off. I didn&#39;t know the replacement ones all =
leaked.=C2=A0 I wonder if TRF and Moss even know about the problem.=C2=A0 I=
f they do, why would they continue to sell what they
 know is faulty, without trying to get the issue(s) resolved?<u></u><u></u>=
</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dave<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 7:29 AM Tom Mulligan &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">nu=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Perhaps=
 the reproduction cocks are poorly made but the original ones didn&#39;t le=
ak. The design is ancient (similar cocks tapped beer kegs in the middle age=
s). There are two on every TR2 or 3, one
 in the block and one in the radiator. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">And Dav=
e, the plug is not a bad idea, and you wouldn&#39;t be the first to resort =
to that. Mine both work and don&#39;t leak but I never use them . On the ra=
re occasions that I drain the coolant, I simply
 pull off the bottom radiator hose, quick and easy.<u></u><u></u></span></p=
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Tom<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center">
<hr size=3D"2" width=3D"98%" align=3D"center">
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-7545487272723173195m_-3794611960004115646divRplyFwdMsg">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span=
 style=3D"color:black"> Steve Kirby &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sackirby@chinaaut=
ogroup.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
m</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tom Mulligan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; TR3 Triumphs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; New England Triumphs &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak</span> <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">They all leak.=C2=A0 =
Bad design from day one.=C2=A0 You can try removing it, disassembling it an=
d lapping the mating surfaces with valve lapping compound.<u></u><u></u></p=
<div id=3D"m_-7545487272723173195m_-3794611960004115646x_AppleMailSignature=
">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Steve Kirby<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On Sep 13, 2020, at 12:09 PM, David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:forzi=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hey Tom ~ Thanks! I needed the laugh. Maybe I should=
 &#39;avoid the rush&#39; and just install a pipe plug now...
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,sans-serif">=F0=9F=98=
=8A</span> <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dave<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 2:42 PM Tom Mulligan &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">nu=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Oh, And=
 if=C2=A0 you get the leak to stop it will eventually clog up solid with cr=
ud and never leak (or drain) again.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Tom<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center">
<hr size=3D"2" width=3D"98%" align=3D"center">
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-7545487272723173195m_-3794611960004115646x_m_5103154968378164=
698divRplyFwdMsg">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span=
 style=3D"color:black"> NET &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:net-bounces@newenglandtri=
umphs.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">net-bounces@newenglandtrium=
phs.org</a>&gt; on behalf of David Friedlander via NET &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">net@newe=
nglandtriumphs.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2020 2:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> TR3 Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; New Engla=
nd Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NET] Small coolant leak</span> <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and =
have traced it to the handle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of=
 the block. Anyone else had this issue? It&#39;s a new tap and don&#39;t kn=
ow what the fix might be. It&#39;s not leaking
 from where the tap threads into the block... Thanks in advance for any BTD=
T advice...
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dave<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">** <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">
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hs/[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]</a><u><=
/u><u></u></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">** <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a> **<br>
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http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]</a><u></u=
><u></u></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 17:56:15 -0400

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Fair enough. Thanks, Tom. If it's such an easy fix, I can't help but be a
bit surprised the manufacturer(s) don't do this just prior to assembly...

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 5:51 PM Tom Mulligan <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Lets be fair here. That the tap is a poor design may be correct if
> compared Today's alternatives but the same can be said for about every
> element and system in the TR3.
>
> Making a seal by corrosion is incorrect. The taps, properly fabricated an=
d
> lapped, as they were when Dave's TR3 was built, did not leak. They also
> lasted a long time and were very resistant to corrosion. They were used o=
n
> about every British car from the beginning until the 1970's. They were al=
so
> the choice in boats and ships where sea water had to come through the
> boat's hull, to cool the engine for example.
>
> If you want to fix the poorly made reproduction tap, get some very fine
> valve grinding compound, take the cotter pin out of the drain tap, remove
> the spring and washer and the washer under the spring and tap the barrel
> and handle out. Put some compound in and work the barrel back and forth
> until you get an even pattern on the housing and barrel. Problem solved.
> You might even be able to get toothpaste to work as abrasive. Old school
> technology and old school fix. Takes less than ten minutes once the tap i=
s
> removed.
>
> Guaranteed to work or money back.  And if you operate them a couple of
> time each season, they will not clog up either.
>
> Tom
>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2020 11:56 AM
> *To:* John Linney <[email-masked]>; David Friedlander <
> [email-masked]>
g
> >
> *Subject:* RE: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Fair enough. Thanks, Tom. If it&#39;s such an easy fix, I=
 can&#39;t help but be a bit surprised the manufacturer(s) don&#39;t do thi=
s just prior to assembly...</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 5:51 PM Tom Mulligan &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Lets be fair here. That the tap is a poor design may be correct if compared=
 Today&#39;s alternatives but the same can be said for about every element =
and system in the TR3.
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Making a seal by corrosion is incorrect. The taps, properly fabricated and =
lapped, as they were when Dave&#39;s TR3 was built, did not leak. They also=
 lasted a long time and were very resistant to corrosion. They were used on=
 about every British car from the beginning
 until the 1970&#39;s. They were also the choice in boats and ships where s=
ea water had to come through the boat&#39;s hull, to cool the engine for ex=
ample.
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
If you want to fix the poorly made reproduction tap, get some very fine val=
ve grinding compound, take the cotter pin out of the drain tap, remove the =
spring and washer and the washer under the spring and tap the barrel and ha=
ndle out. Put some compound in and
 work the barrel back and forth until you get an even pattern on the housin=
g and barrel. Problem solved. You might even be able to get toothpaste to w=
ork as abrasive. Old school technology and old school fix. Takes less than =
ten minutes once the tap is removed.
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Guaranteed to work or money back.=C2=A0 And if you operate them a couple of=
 time each season, they will not clog up either.<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Tom<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div>
<div id=3D"m_-5506077995634869665divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"=
font-size:11pt" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b>=
 Steve Kirby &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 14, 2020 11:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Linney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; David Friedlander &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tom Mulligan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; TR3 Triumphs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; New England Triumphs &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
The design of this valve employs a metal on metal interface as a sealing su=
rface.=C2=A0 There are no orings, seals or packing of any kind.=C2=A0 The a=
bility to seal depends solely on the two tapered metal surfaces being symme=
trical enough to hold water under pressure.=C2=A0
 That is not a good design.=C2=A0 I believe that in the early days, since t=
hese valves are rarely used, they seeped enough water that eventually enoug=
h corrosion set in to accomplish a seal.=C2=A0 The usually start to leak mo=
re seriously after the valve has been operated.=C2=A0
 That makes sense, since then the corrosion seal would be broken and the pr=
ocess would have to start all over again.=C2=A0 If the earlier corrosion ha=
d pitted or otherwise damaged the metal to metal interface, then that would=
 make it even harder for the valve to
 eventually reseal.</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
The valve serves little if any purpose.=C2=A0 I simple pipe plug could be s=
ubstituted for a dependable seal and removed when the block is drained.=C2=
=A0 However many people want to keep the period correct look of the valve (=
without having the leaking problem).=C2=A0 That
 is why Moss is considering offering a =E2=80=9Cdummy=E2=80=9D valve.=C2=A0=
 It will look just like the original and the handle will even turn, but the=
 passage from the block to the valve stem will not be drilled, hence making=
 this in essence a fancy pipe plug.</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
The only =E2=80=9Cfix=E2=80=9D I have seen, and it is rarely 100% successfu=
l, is to disassemble the valve and then try to lap the two metal surfaces t=
ogether using valve lapping compound.=C2=A0 This presumably would =E2=80=9C=
perfect=E2=80=9D the interface of the two metal parts to a point where
 they would create a seal.=C2=A0 </p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=C2=A0</p>
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serif">
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serif">
<b>President</b></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<b>China Auto Group</b></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
22831 Avenida Empresa</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
Direct:=C2=A0 (949) 261-8208</p>
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serif">
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serif">
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
Skype: steve.kirby29</p>
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serif">
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er">www.chinaautogroup.com</a></p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=C2=A0</p>
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0in 0in">
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<b>From:</b> John Linney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 14, 2020 7:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tom Mulligan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; TR3 Triumphs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Steve Kirby &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">sackirby=
@chinaautogroup.com</a>&gt;; New England Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:net=
@newenglandtriumphs.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">net@newenglan=
dtriumphs.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak</p>
</div>
</div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;margin-bottom:12.0pt">
Go figure. I went through three of them before arriving at my =E2=80=98gum =
it up with something=E2=80=99 solution.</p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;margin-bottom:12.0pt">
On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:16 AM, David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:forzio=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; wrote:</p>
</blockquote>
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<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=EF=BB=BF</p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
I replaced my original because somehow,=C2=A0 the handle on the tap had bro=
ken off. I didn&#39;t know the replacement ones all leaked.=C2=A0 I wonder =
if TRF and Moss even know about the problem.=C2=A0 If they do, why would th=
ey continue to sell what they know is faulty, without
 trying to get the issue(s) resolved?</p>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
Dave</p>
</div>
</div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=C2=A0</p>
<div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 7:29 AM Tom Mulligan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nute_shop@=
hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Perhaps the reproduction cocks=
 are poorly made but the original ones didn&#39;t leak. The design is ancie=
nt (similar cocks tapped beer kegs in the middle ages). There are two on ev=
ery TR2 or 3, one in the block and one
 in the radiator. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">And Dave, the plug is not a ba=
d idea, and you wouldn&#39;t be the first to resort to that. Mine both work=
 and don&#39;t leak but I never use them . On the rare occasions that I dra=
in the coolant, I simply pull off the bottom
 radiator hose, quick and easy.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Tom</span></p>
</div>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">=C2=A0</span></p>
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s-serif;text-align:center" align=3D"center">
<hr width=3D"98%" size=3D"2" align=3D"center">
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"color:black">=
 Steve Kirby &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tom Mulligan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; TR3 Triumphs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; New England Triumphs &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak</span> </p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=C2=A0</p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;margin-bottom:12.0pt">
They all leak.=C2=A0 Bad design from day one.=C2=A0 You can try removing it=
, disassembling it and lapping the mating surfaces with valve lapping compo=
und.</p>
<div id=3D"m_-5506077995634869665x_m_-3794611960004115646x_AppleMailSignatu=
re">
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
Steve Kirby</p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;margin-bottom:12.0pt">
<br>
On Sep 13, 2020, at 12:09 PM, David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:forzi=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:</p>
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<div>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
Hey Tom ~ Thanks! I needed the laugh. Maybe I should &#39;avoid the rush&#3=
9; and just install a pipe plug now...
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,sans-serif">=F0=9F=98=
=8A</span> </p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
Dave</p>
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</div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=C2=A0</p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 2:42 PM Tom Mulligan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nute_shop@=
hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; wrote:</p>
</div>
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n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Oh, And if=C2=A0 you get the l=
eak to stop it will eventually clog up solid with crud and never leak (or d=
rain) again.</span></p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Tom</span></p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">=C2=A0</span></p>
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s-serif;text-align:center" align=3D"center">
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64698divRplyFwdMsg">
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"color:black">=
 NET &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on beha=
lf of David Friedlander via NET &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:net@newenglandtriumph=
s.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2020 2:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> TR3 Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; New Engla=
nd Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NET] Small coolant leak</span> </p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=C2=A0</p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have traced it to the h=
andle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the block. Anyone else=
 had this issue? It&#39;s a new tap and don&#39;t know what the fix might b=
e. It&#39;s not leaking from where the tap threads
 into the block... Thanks in advance for any BTDT advice... </p>
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serif">
=C2=A0</p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
Dave</p>
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 The manufacturer didn't do this because it wasn't on the spec sheet and QA=
 wasn't looking over their shoulder.=C2=A0 These things are Low-Bid and any=
 add process will add cost.=C2=A0 And since we, the consumers, are cheap th=
e vendor has to go with the low bid.=C2=A0 Sad but true.
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Dave=20

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-----Original Message-----
From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
To: Tom Mulligan <[email-masked]>
Cc: TR3 Triumphs <[email-masked]>; New England Triumphs <net@newen=
glandtriumphs.org>; Steve Kirby <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2020 4:56 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak

Fair enough. Thanks, Tom. If it's such an easy fix, I can't help but be a b=
it surprised the manufacturer(s) don't do this just prior to assembly...
On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 5:51 PM Tom Mulligan <[email-masked]> wrote:

Lets be fair here. That the tap is a poor design may be correct if compared=
 Today's alternatives but the same can be said for about every element and =
system in the TR3.

Making a seal by corrosion is incorrect. The taps, properly fabricated and =
lapped, as they were when Dave's TR3 was built, did not leak. They also las=
ted a long time and were very resistant to corrosion. They were used on abo=
ut every British car from the beginning until the 1970's. They were also th=
e choice in boats and ships where sea water had to come through the boat's =
hull, to cool the engine for example.

If you want to fix the poorly made reproduction tap, get some very fine val=
ve grinding compound, take the cotter pin out of the drain tap, remove the =
spring and washer and the washer under the spring and tap the barrel and ha=
ndle out. Put some compound in and work the barrel back and forth until you=
 get an even pattern on the housing and barrel. Problem solved. You might e=
ven be able to get toothpaste to work as abrasive. Old school technology an=
d old school fix. Takes less than ten minutes once the tap is removed.

Tom

From: Steve Kirby <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:56 AM
To: John Linney <[email-masked]>; David Friedlander <[email-masked]=
Cc: Tom Mulligan <[email-masked]>; TR3 Triumphs <[email-masked]=
.net>; New England Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak=C2=A0The design of this valve em=
ploys a metal on metal interface as a sealing surface.=C2=A0 There are no o=
rings, seals or packing of any kind.=C2=A0 The ability to seal depends sole=
ly on the two tapered metal surfaces being symmetrical enough to hold water=
 under pressure.=C2=A0 That is not a good design.=C2=A0 I believe that in t=
he early days, since these valves are rarely used, they seeped enough water=
 that eventually enough corrosion set in to accomplish a seal.=C2=A0 The us=
ually start to leak more seriously after the valve has been operated.=C2=A0=
 That makes sense, since then the corrosion seal would be broken and the pr=
ocess would have to start all over again.=C2=A0 If the earlier corrosion ha=
d pitted or otherwise damaged the metal to metal interface, then that would=
 make it even harder for the valve to eventually reseal.=C2=A0The valve ser=
ves little if any purpose.=C2=A0 I simple pipe plug could be substituted fo=
r a dependable seal and removed when the block is drained.=C2=A0 However ma=
ny people want to keep the period correct look of the valve (without having=
 the leaking problem).=C2=A0 That is why Moss is considering offering a =E2=
=80=9Cdummy=E2=80=9D valve.=C2=A0 It will look just like the original and t=
he handle will even turn, but the passage from the block to the valve stem =
will not be drilled, hence making this in essence a fancy pipe plug.=C2=A0T=
he only =E2=80=9Cfix=E2=80=9D I have seen, and it is rarely 100% successful=
, is to disassemble the valve and then try to lap the two metal surfaces to=
gether using valve lapping compound.=C2=A0 This presumably would =E2=80=9Cp=
erfect=E2=80=9D the interface of the two metal parts to a point where they =
would create a seal.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Steve KirbyPresidentChina Auto Group22831 =
Avenida EmpresaRancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USADirect:=C2=A0 (949) 261-=
8208Fax:=C2=A0 (949) 767-5949Cell:=C2=A0 (949) 903-0957Skype: steve.kirby29=
www.chinaautogroup.com=C2=A0From: John Linney <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 7:58 AM
To: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
Cc: Tom Mulligan <[email-masked]>; TR3 Triumphs <[email-masked]=
.net>; Steve Kirby <[email-masked]>; New England Triumphs <net=
@newenglandtriumphs.org>
Subject: Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak=C2=A0Go figure. I went through t=
hree of them before arriving at my =E2=80=98gum it up with something=E2=80=
=99 solution.
On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:16 AM, David Friedlander <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFI replaced my original because somehow,=C2=A0 the handle on the ta=
p had broken off. I didn't know the replacement ones all leaked.=C2=A0 I wo=
nder if TRF and Moss even know about the problem.=C2=A0 If they do, why wou=
ld they continue to sell what they know is faulty, without trying to get th=
e issue(s) resolved?=C2=A0Dave=C2=A0On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 7:29 AM Tom Mulli=
gan <[email-masked]> wrote:
Perhaps the reproduction cocks are poorly made but the original ones didn't=
 leak. The design is ancient (similar cocks tapped beer kegs in the middle =
ages). There are two on every TR2 or 3, one in the block and one in the rad=
iator. And Dave, the plug is not a bad idea, and you wouldn't be the first =
to resort to that. Mine both work and don't leak but I never use them . On =
the rare occasions that I drain the coolant, I simply pull off the bottom r=
adiator hose, quick and easy.Tom=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0From: Steve Kirby <sackir=
[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:50 PM
To: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
Cc: Tom Mulligan <[email-masked]>; TR3 Triumphs <[email-masked]=
.net>; New England Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak =C2=A0They all leak.=C2=A0 Bad d=
esign from day one.=C2=A0 You can try removing it, disassembling it and lap=
ping the mating surfaces with valve lapping compound.Steve Kirby
On Sep 13, 2020, at 12:09 PM, David Friedlander <[email-masked]> wrote:
Hey Tom ~ Thanks! I needed the laugh. Maybe I should 'avoid the rush' and j=
ust install a pipe plug now...=F0=9F=98=8A =C2=A0Dave=C2=A0On Sun, Sep 13, =
2020, 2:42 PM Tom Mulligan <[email-masked]> wrote:
Oh, And if=C2=A0 you get the leak to stop it will eventually clog up solid =
with crud and never leak (or drain) again.Tom=C2=A0From: NET <net-bounces@n=
ewenglandtriumphs.org> on behalf of David Friedlander via NET <net@newengla=
ndtriumphs.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 2:21 PM
To: TR3 Triumphs <[email-masked]>; New England Triumphs <net@newen=
glandtriumphs.org>
Subject: [NET] Small coolant leak =C2=A0I have noticed a small coolant leak=
 from my TR3 and have traced it to the handle assembly of the water drain t=
ap on the side of the block. Anyone else had this issue? It's a new tap and=
 don't know what the fix might be. It's not leaking from where the tap thre=
ads into the block... Thanks in advance for any BTDT advice... =C2=A0Dave
=C2=A0=C2=A0

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<div> <font size=3D"3">The manufacturer didn't do this because it wasn't on=
 the spec sheet and QA wasn't looking over their shoulder.&nbsp; These thin=
gs are Low-Bid and any add process will add cost.&nbsp; And since we, the c=
onsumers, are cheap the vendor has to go with the low bid.&nbsp; Sad but tr=
ue.</font><br>
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<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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Original Message-----<br>
From: David Friedlander &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Tom Mulligan &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: TR3 Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; New England Triumphs &lt;=
[email-masked]&gt;; Steve Kirby &lt;[email-masked]=
&gt;<br>
Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2020 4:56 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak<br>
<br>

<div id=3D"yiv3419678827">
<div>Fair enough. Thanks, Tom. If it's such an easy fix, I can't help but b=
e a bit surprised the manufacturer(s) don't do this just prior to assembly.=
..</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"yiv3419678827gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 5:=
51 PM Tom Mulligan &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:nute_shop@hotm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">nute_shop@=
hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv3419678827gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">

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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
Lets be fair here. That the tap is a poor design may be correct if compared=
 Today's alternatives but the same can be said for about every element and =
system in the TR3.
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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
Making a seal by corrosion is incorrect. The taps, properly fabricated and =
lapped, as they were when Dave's TR3 was built, did not leak. They also las=
ted a long time and were very resistant to corrosion. They were used on abo=
ut every British car from the beginning
 until the 1970's. They were also the choice in boats and ships where sea w=
ater had to come through the boat's hull, to cool the engine for example.
<br>

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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
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or:rgb(0,0,0);">

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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
Guaranteed to work or money back.&nbsp; And if you operate them a couple of=
 time each season, they will not clog up either.<br>

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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
Tom<br>

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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
<br>

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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
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<div id=3D"yiv3419678827m_-5506077995634869665divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><f=
ont style=3D"font-size:11pt;" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000=
"><b>From:</b> Steve Kirby &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:sackir=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:sackirby@chinaautog=
roup.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>

<b>To:</b> John Linney &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:john@linne=
yweb.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">john@linneyw=
eb.com</a>&gt;; David Friedlander &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">f=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>

<b>Cc:</b> Tom Mulligan &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:nute_shop=
@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">nute_=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;; TR3 Triumphs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@au=
tox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; New England Triumphs &lt;<a =
rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt;<br>

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<div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;">
The design of this valve employs a metal on metal interface as a sealing su=
rface.&nbsp; There are no orings, seals or packing of any kind.&nbsp; The a=
bility to seal depends solely on the two tapered metal surfaces being symme=
trical enough to hold water under pressure.&nbsp;
 That is not a good design.&nbsp; I believe that in the early days, since t=
hese valves are rarely used, they seeped enough water that eventually enoug=
h corrosion set in to accomplish a seal.&nbsp; The usually start to leak mo=
re seriously after the valve has been operated.&nbsp;
 That makes sense, since then the corrosion seal would be broken and the pr=
ocess would have to start all over again.&nbsp; If the earlier corrosion ha=
d pitted or otherwise damaged the metal to metal interface, then that would=
 make it even harder for the valve to
 eventually reseal.</div>

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&nbsp;</div>

<div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;">
The valve serves little if any purpose.&nbsp; I simple pipe plug could be s=
ubstituted for a dependable seal and removed when the block is drained.&nbs=
p; However many people want to keep the period correct look of the valve (w=
ithout having the leaking problem).&nbsp; That
 is why Moss is considering offering a =E2=80=9Cdummy=E2=80=9D valve.&nbsp;=
 It will look just like the original and the handle will even turn, but the=
 passage from the block to the valve stem will not be drilled, hence making=
 this in essence a fancy pipe plug.</div>

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&nbsp;</div>

<div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;">
The only =E2=80=9Cfix=E2=80=9D I have seen, and it is rarely 100% successfu=
l, is to disassemble the valve and then try to lap the two metal surfaces t=
ogether using valve lapping compound.&nbsp; This presumably would =E2=80=9C=
perfect=E2=80=9D the interface of the two metal parts to a point where
 they would create a seal.&nbsp; </div>

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&nbsp;</div>

<div>

<div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;">
<b><i><span style=3D"color:#0070c0;">Steve Kirby</span></i></b></div>

<div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;">
<b>President</b></div>

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<b>China Auto Group</b></div>

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22831 Avenida Empresa</div>

<div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;">
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA</div>

<div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;">
Direct:&nbsp; (949) 261-8208</div>

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Fax:&nbsp; (949) 767-5949</div>

<div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;">
Cell:&nbsp; (949) 903-0957</div>

<div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;">
Skype: steve.kirby29</div>

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<a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.chinaautogroup.com=
/">www.chinaautogroup.com</a></div>

</div>

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&nbsp;</div>

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0in 0in;">

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<b>From:</b> John Linney &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:john@lin=
neyweb.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">john@linne=
yweb.com</a>&gt; <br>

<b>To:</b> David Friedlander &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:forz=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">forzio=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>

<b>Cc:</b> Tom Mulligan &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:nute_shop=
@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">nute_=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;; TR3 Triumphs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@au=
tox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Steve Kirby &lt;<a rel=3D"no=
follow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t;; New England Triumphs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:net@newe=
nglandtriumphs.org" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:net@newenglandtriumphs=
.org">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>

<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak</div>

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</div>

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&nbsp;</div>

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m:12.0pt;">
Go figure. I went through three of them before arriving at my =E2=80=98gum =
it up with something=E2=80=99 solution.</div>

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<div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;margin-botto=
m:12.0pt;">
On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:16 AM, David Friedlander &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymai=
lto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:forzion7=
@gmail.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>

</blockquote>
</div>

<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;">

<div>

<div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;">
=EF=BB=BF</div>

<div>

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I replaced my original because somehow,&nbsp; the handle on the tap had bro=
ken off. I didn't know the replacement ones all leaked.&nbsp; I wonder if T=
RF and Moss even know about the problem.&nbsp; If they do, why would they c=
ontinue to sell what they know is faulty, without
 trying to get the issue(s) resolved?</div>

<div>

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&nbsp;</div>

</div>

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Dave</div>

</div>

</div>

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&nbsp;</div>

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On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 7:29 AM Tom Mulligan &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:nute_sho=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>

</div>

<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;">

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<div>

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<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Perhaps the reproduction cock=
s are poorly made but the original ones didn't leak. The design is ancient =
(similar cocks tapped beer kegs in the middle ages). There are two on every=
 TR2 or 3, one in the block and one
 in the radiator. </span></div>

</div>

<div>

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<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">And Dave, the plug is not a b=
ad idea, and you wouldn't be the first to resort to that. Mine both work an=
d don't leak but I never use them . On the rare occasions that I drain the =
coolant, I simply pull off the bottom
 radiator hose, quick and easy.</span></div>

</div>

<div>

<div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Tom</span></div>

</div>

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<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>

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<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>

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<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>

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enter;" align=3D"center">
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lyFwdMsg">

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<b><span style=3D"color:black;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"color:black;=
"> Steve Kirby &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:sackirby@chinaauto=
group.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">sa=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>

<b>To:</b> David Friedlander &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:forz=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">forzio=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>

<b>Cc:</b> Tom Mulligan &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:nute_shop=
@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">nute_=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;; TR3 Triumphs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@au=
tox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; New England Triumphs &lt;<a =
rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt;<br>

<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak</span> </div>

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&nbsp;</div>

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m:12.0pt;">
They all leak.&nbsp; Bad design from day one.&nbsp; You can try removing it=
, disassembling it and lapping the mating surfaces with valve lapping compo=
und.</div>

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leMailSignature">

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Steve Kirby</div>

</div>

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m:12.0pt;">
<br>

On Sep 13, 2020, at 12:09 PM, David Friedlander &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" yma=
ilto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:forzion=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>

</div>

<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;">

<div>

<div>

<div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;">
Hey Tom ~ Thanks! I needed the laugh. Maybe I should 'avoid the rush' and j=
ust install a pipe plug now...
<span style=3D"font-family:UI sans-serif;">=F0=9F=98=8A</span> </div>

<div>

<div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;">
&nbsp;</div>

</div>

<div>

<div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;">
Dave</div>

</div>

</div>

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&nbsp;</div>

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On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 2:42 PM Tom Mulligan &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:nute_sho=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>

</div>

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n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;">

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<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Oh, And if&nbsp; you get the =
leak to stop it will eventually clog up solid with crud and never leak (or =
drain) again.</span></div>

</div>

<div>

<div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Tom</span></div>

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