Subject: Re: [TR] Small coolant leak

From: bill beecher <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 13:48:15 -0500

Chronic problem there, I just finished fooling with mine a few weeks back.  Cleaned it real good then spent a few minutes just working it back and forth to try and seat the valve. So far so good, but I haven’t been able to take a long drive yet.   I have also been able to stop the leak with a light tap on the top of the valve spindle. 

Seriously considering just plugging the hole if this doesn’t hold. 

Bill
TS30800L

#dontkillgrandma

On Sep 13, 2020, at 1:38 PM, David Friedlander <[email-masked]> wrote:

I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have traced it to the handle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the block. Anyone else had this issue? It's a new tap and don't know what the fix might be. It's not leaking from where the tap threads into the block... Thanks in advance for any BTDT advice...

Dave
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From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 14:51:51 -0400

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Hey Tom ~ Thanks! I needed the laugh. Maybe I should 'avoid the rush' and
just install a pipe plug now... =F0=9F=98=8A

Dave

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 2:42 PM Tom Mulligan <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Oh, And if  you get the leak to stop it will eventually clog up solid wit=
h
> crud and never leak (or drain) again.
> Tom
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* NET <[email-masked]> on behalf of David
> Friedlander via NET <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2020 2:21 PM
> *To:* TR3 Triumphs <[email-masked]>; New England Triumphs <
> [email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [NET] Small coolant leak
>
> I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have traced it to the
> handle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the block. Anyone
> else had this issue? It's a new tap and don't know what the fix might be.
> It's not leaking from where the tap threads into the block... Thanks in
> advance for any BTDT advice...
>
> Dave
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<div dir=3D"auto">Hey Tom ~ Thanks! I needed the laugh. Maybe I should &#39=
;avoid the rush&#39; and just install a pipe plug now... =F0=9F=98=8A<div d=
ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Dave</div></div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 2:4=
2 PM Tom Mulligan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">nute_shop@ho=
tmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
Oh, And if=C2=A0 you get the leak to stop it will eventually clog up solid =
with crud and never leak (or drain) again.</div>
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<div dir=3D"auto">I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have =
traced it to the handle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the =
block. Anyone else had this issue? It&#39;s a new tap and don&#39;t know wh=
at the fix might be. It&#39;s not leaking from
 where the tap threads into the block... Thanks in advance for any BTDT adv=
ice...
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Dave</div>
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From: John Linney <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 12:14:29 -0700

I went through 3 valves on my TR4. The final one got a seal using plumber’s pipe thread sealant.

Sent from my iPad

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But, John, it's not the threaded portion that leaks.... No threads on stem
of the petcock. Seems to me, like Tom said, these either stop leaking
because they get full of crud or people just plug the hole. As it is, the
valve is located just above the starter so that's where it drains! I'm
guessing that if anyone wanted to drain their engine block, they'd just use
the radiator petcock instead.

Dave

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 3:14 PM John Linney <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I went through 3 valves on my TR4. The final one got a seal using
> plumber=E2=80=99s pipe thread sealant.
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > =EF=BB=BF
> > I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have traced it to
> the handle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the block. Anyo=
ne
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<div dir=3D"auto">But, John, it&#39;s not the threaded portion that leaks..=
.. No threads on stem of the petcock. Seems to me, like Tom said, these eit=
her stop leaking because they get full of crud or people just plug the hole=
. As it is, the valve is located just above the starter so that&#39;s where=
 it drains! I&#39;m guessing that if anyone wanted to drain their engine bl=
ock, they&#39;d just use the radiator petcock instead.<div dir=3D"auto"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"auto">Dave</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 3:14 PM John Linne=
y &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I went through 3 valves on my TR=
4. The final one got a seal using plumber=E2=80=99s pipe thread sealant.<br=
<br>
Sent from my iPad<br>
<br>
&gt; On Sep 13, 2020, at 11:38 AM, David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =EF=BB=BF<br>
&gt; I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have traced it to =
the handle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the block. Anyone=
 else had this issue? It&#39;s a new tap and don&#39;t know what the fix mi=
ght be. It&#39;s not leaking from where the tap threads into the block... T=
hanks in advance for any BTDT advice...<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Dave<br>
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From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 19:32:26 +0000

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Dave-

I have to say your note makes me realize how much I miss Randall Young and =
his always present knowledge of items like this.  Not positive, but I think=
 I recall Randall talking about these taps, and the potential for poorer qu=
ality in the replacements.  I believe the fix that can help is to lap in th=
e valve with some lapping compound, similar to a valve job.  Best to take i=
f off the block if you want to try, but it isn't too bad to disassemble and=
 with a little work you may be able to get a better seal.

Randy

________________________________
From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> on behalf of David Friedla=
nder <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 1:21 PM
To: TR3 Triumphs <[email-masked]>; New England Triumphs <net@newen=
glandtriumphs.org>
Subject: [TR] Small coolant leak

I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have traced it to the h=
andle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the block. Anyone else=
 had this issue? It's a new tap and don't know what the fix might be. It's =
not leaking from where the tap threads into the block... Thanks in advance =
for any BTDT advice...

Dave

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I have to say your note makes me realize how much I miss Randall Young and =
his always present knowledge of items like this.&nbsp; Not positive, but I =
think I recall Randall talking about these taps, and the potential for poor=
er quality in the replacements.&nbsp; I believe
 the fix that can help is to lap in the valve with some lapping compound, s=
imilar to a valve job.&nbsp; Best to take if off the block if you want to t=
ry, but it isn't too bad to disassemble and with a little work you may be a=
ble to get a better seal.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
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<br>
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<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Randy</div>
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[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of David Friedlander &lt;forzion7@gma=
il.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2020 1:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> TR3 Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; New England Triump=
hs &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [TR] Small coolant leak</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"auto">I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have =
traced it to the handle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the =
block. Anyone else had this issue? It's a new tap and don't know what the f=
ix might be. It's not leaking from
 where the tap threads into the block... Thanks in advance for any BTDT adv=
ice...
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 20:08:57 +0000 (UTC)

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 Those off-shore valves are notorious for leaking.=C2=A0 That is a tapered =
plug in a tapered body.=C2=A0 If the tapers don't match precisely they will=
 not seal up.
I would up soldering mine up.=C2=A0 It is now a screw-in plug.
=20
Dave=20

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-----Original Message-----
From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
To: TR3 Triumphs <[email-masked]>; New England Triumphs <net@newen=
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Sent: Sun, Sep 13, 2020 1:21 pm
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<div> <font size="3">Those off-shore valves are notorious for leaking.&nbsp; That is a tapered plug in a tapered body.&nbsp; If the tapers don't match precisely they will not seal up.</font></div>

<div><font size="3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size="3">I would up soldering mine up.&nbsp; It is now a screw-in plug.</font><br>
</div>

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<div style="clear:both"><font size="4">Dave </font><br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: David Friedlander &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: TR3 Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; New England Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Sun, Sep 13, 2020 1:21 pm<br>
Subject: [TR] Small coolant leak<br>
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<div>I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have traced it to the handle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the block. Anyone else had this issue? It's a new tap and don't know what the fix might be. It's not leaking from where the tap threads into the block... Thanks in advance for any BTDT advice...
<div><br>
</div>

<div>Dave</div>
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From: "Reihing, Randall S." <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 20:14:41 +0000

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Dave,

If what you have is a valve, there is a remote chance it's stem has a graph=
ite impregnated packing under a nut that can be better sealed by tightening=
 the nut on the stem.

Randall Reihing
________________________________
From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> on behalf of Randy and Val=
erie DeRuiter <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:32 PM
To: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>; TR3 Triumphs <[email-masked]=
am.net>; New England Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] Small coolant leak

Dave-

Randy

Dave

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If what you have is a valve, there is a remote chance it's stem has a graph=
ite impregnated packing under a nut that can be better sealed by tightening=
 the nut on the stem.&nbsp;</div>
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: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;triumphs=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Randy and Valerie DeRuiter &lt;der=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Friedlander &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; TR3 Triumphs &lt;t=
[email-masked]&gt;; New England Triumphs &lt;net@newenglandtriumphs=
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
I have to say your note makes me realize how much I miss Randall Young and =
his always present knowledge of items like this.&nbsp; Not positive, but I =
think I recall Randall talking about these taps, and the potential for poor=
er quality in the replacements.&nbsp; I believe
 the fix that can help is to lap in the valve with some lapping compound, s=
imilar to a valve job.&nbsp; Best to take if off the block if you want to t=
ry, but it isn't too bad to disassemble and with a little work you may be a=
ble to get a better seal.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
Randy</div>
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[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of David Friedlander &lt;forzion7@g=
mail.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2020 1:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> TR3 Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; New England Triump=
hs &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [TR] Small coolant leak</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"auto">I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have =
traced it to the handle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the =
block. Anyone else had this issue? It's a new tap and don't know what the f=
ix might be. It's not leaking from
 where the tap threads into the block... Thanks in advance for any BTDT adv=
ice...
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Dave</div>
</div>
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From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 18:59:47 -0400

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Steve ~

I'd prefer to think you're kidding.  =F0=9F=99=84

The design may not be bad but perhaps the tolerances on the drawings aren't
sufficiently tight... Charge twice the price, have them made in the US or
Switzerland and be done with it!

Dave

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 4:08 PM Steve Kirby <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> The design is so bad that Moss is now going to only sell a fake that is
> not drilled out
>
> Steve Kirby
>
> On Sep 13, 2020, at 12:50 PM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
> Dave-
>
> I have to say your note makes me realize how much I miss Randall Young an=
d
> his always present knowledge of items like this.  Not positive, but I thi=
nk
> I recall Randall talking about these taps, and the potential for poorer
> quality in the replacements.  I believe the fix that can help is to lap i=
n
> the valve with some lapping compound, similar to a valve job.  Best to ta=
ke
> if off the block if you want to try, but it isn't too bad to disassemble
> and with a little work you may be able to get a better seal.
>
> Randy
>
> *From:* Triumphs <[email-masked]> on behalf of David
> Friedlander <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2020 1:21 PM
> *Subject:* [TR] Small coolant leak
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">Steve ~<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I&#3=
9;d prefer to think you&#39;re kidding.=C2=A0 =F0=9F=99=84</div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The design may not be bad but perhaps th=
e tolerances on the drawings aren&#39;t sufficiently tight... Charge twice =
the price, have them made in the US or Switzerland and be done with it!</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Dave</div></div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Sep 13, 2=
020, 4:08 PM Steve Kirby &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">

<div dir=3D"auto">
The design is so bad that Moss is now going to only sell a fake that is not=
 drilled out=C2=A0<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"m_1960801137482003803AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Steve Kirby=
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
On Sep 13, 2020, at 12:50 PM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">deruite=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Dave-</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
I have to say your note makes me realize how much I miss Randall Young and =
his always present knowledge of items like this.=C2=A0 Not positive, but I =
think I recall Randall talking about these taps, and the potential for poor=
er quality in the replacements.=C2=A0 I believe
 the fix that can help is to lap in the valve with some lapping compound, s=
imilar to a valve job.=C2=A0 Best to take if off the block if you want to t=
ry, but it isn&#39;t too bad to disassemble and with a little work you may =
be able to get a better seal.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Randy</div>
<div>
<div id=3D"m_1960801137482003803appendonsend"></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id=3D"m_1960801137482003803divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Ca=
libri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> =
Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf=
 of David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2020 1:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> TR3 Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; New Engla=
nd Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [TR] Small coolant leak</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"auto">I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have =
traced it to the handle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the =
block. Anyone else had this issue? It&#39;s a new tap and don&#39;t know wh=
at the fix might be. It&#39;s not leaking from
 where the tap threads into the block... Thanks in advance for any BTDT adv=
ice...
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Dave</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
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From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 08:39:14 -0400

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I replaced my original because somehow,  the handle on the tap had broken
off. I didn't know the replacement ones all leaked.  I wonder if TRF and
Moss even know about the problem.  If they do, why would they continue to
sell what they know is faulty, without trying to get the issue(s) resolved?

Dave

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 7:29 AM Tom Mulligan <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Perhaps the reproduction cocks are poorly made but the original ones
> didn't leak. The design is ancient (similar cocks tapped beer kegs in the
> middle ages). There are two on every TR2 or 3, one in the block and one i=
n
> the radiator.
> And Dave, the plug is not a bad idea, and you wouldn't be the first to
> resort to that. Mine both work and don't leak but I never use them . On t=
he
> rare occasions that I drain the coolant, I simply pull off the bottom
> radiator hose, quick and easy.
> Tom
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Kirby <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:50 PM
> *To:* David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* Tom Mulligan <[email-masked]>; TR3 Triumphs <
> [email-masked]>; New England Triumphs <[email-masked]=
g
> >
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak
>
> They all leak.  Bad design from day one.  You can try removing it,
> disassembling it and lapping the mating surfaces with valve lapping
> compound.
>
> Steve Kirby
>
> On Sep 13, 2020, at 12:09 PM, David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
h
> crud and never leak (or drain) again.

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<div dir=3D"auto">I replaced my original because somehow,=C2=A0 the handle =
on the tap had broken off. I didn&#39;t know the replacement ones all leake=
d.=C2=A0 I wonder if TRF and Moss even know about the problem.=C2=A0 If the=
y do, why would they continue to sell what they know is faulty, without try=
ing to get the issue(s) resolved?<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"au=
to">Dave</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 7:29 AM Tom Mulligan &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Perhaps the reproduction cocks are poorly made but the original ones didn&#=
39;t leak. The design is ancient (similar cocks tapped beer kegs in the mid=
dle ages). There are two on every TR2 or 3, one in the block and one in the=
 radiator.
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
And Dave, the plug is not a bad idea, and you wouldn&#39;t be the first to =
resort to that. Mine both work and don&#39;t leak but I never use them . On=
 the rare occasions that I drain the coolant, I simply pull off the bottom =
radiator hose, quick and easy.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Tom<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div>
<div id=3D"m_-3794611960004115646appendonsend"></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id=3D"m_-3794611960004115646divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"=
font-size:11pt" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b>=
 Steve Kirby &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tom Mulligan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; TR3 Triumphs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; New England Triumphs &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">They all leak.=C2=A0 Bad design from day one.=C2=A0 You c=
an try removing it, disassembling it and lapping the mating surfaces with v=
alve lapping compound.<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"m_-3794611960004115646x_AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Steve Ki=
rby</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
On Sep 13, 2020, at 12:09 PM, David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:forzi=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"auto">Hey Tom ~ Thanks! I needed the laugh. Maybe I should &#39=
;avoid the rush&#39; and just install a pipe plug now... =F0=9F=98=8A
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Dave</div>
</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 2:42 PM Tom Mulligan &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">nute_sho=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Oh, And if=C2=A0 you get the leak to stop it will eventually clog up solid =
with crud and never leak (or drain) again.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Tom<br>
</div>
<div>
<div id=3D"m_-3794611960004115646x_m_5103154968378164698appendonsend"></div=
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
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</div>
<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id=3D"m_-3794611960004115646x_m_5103154968378164698divRplyFwdMsg" dir=
=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"font-size:11pt" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=
=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> NET &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:net-bounces@newenglandt=
riumphs.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">net-bounces@ne=
wenglandtriumphs.org</a>&gt;
 on behalf of David Friedlander via NET &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:net@newenglan=
dtriumphs.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">net@newengla=
ndtriumphs.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2020 2:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> TR3 Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=
=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
;; New England Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" r=
el=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NET] Small coolant leak</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"auto">I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have =
traced it to the handle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the =
block. Anyone else had this issue? It&#39;s a new tap and don&#39;t know wh=
at the fix might be. It&#39;s not leaking from
 where the tap threads into the block... Thanks in advance for any BTDT adv=
ice...
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Dave</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
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From: Allen Hess <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 14:49:06 -0400

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I agree that lapping the parts is the most likely fix. Yes, it may have been=
 a Randall answer years ago. I did it to my original valves and they are fin=
e. If you have an original, the spring which holds the two pieces together, w=
ill rust and need to be replaced.=20

Allen

> On Sep 13, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville@hot=
mail.com> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Dave-
>=20
> I have to say your note makes me realize how much I miss Randall Young and=
 his always present knowledge of items like this.  Not positive, but I think=
 I recall Randall talking about these taps, and the potential for poorer qua=
lity in the replacements.  I believe the fix that can help is to lap in the v=
alve with some lapping compound, similar to a valve job.  Best to take if of=
f the block if you want to try, but it isn't too bad to disassemble and with=
 a little work you may be able to get a better seal.
>=20
> Randy
>=20
> From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> on behalf of David Friedl=
ander <[email-masked]>
> To: TR3 Triumphs <[email-masked]>; New England Triumphs <net@newe=
nglandtriumphs.org>
> I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have traced it to the h=
andle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the block. Anyone else h=
ad this issue? It's a new tap and don't know what the fix might be. It's not=
 leaking from where the tap threads into the block... Thanks in advance for a=
ny BTDT advice...
> Dave

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">I agree that lapping the p=
arts is the most likely fix. Yes, it may have been a Randall answer years ag=
o. I did it to my original valves and they are fine. If you have an original=
, the spring which holds the two pieces together, will rust and need to be r=
eplaced.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Allen</div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 13, 2020, at 3:32 PM, R=
andy and Valerie DeRuiter &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></=
blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Dave-</div>
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
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<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
I have to say your note makes me realize how much I miss Randall Young and h=
is always present knowledge of items like this.&nbsp; Not positive, but I th=
ink I recall Randall talking about these taps, and the potential for poorer q=
uality in the replacements.&nbsp; I believe
 the fix that can help is to lap in the valve with some lapping compound, si=
milar to a valve job.&nbsp; Best to take if off the block if you want to try=
, but it isn't too bad to disassemble and with a little work you may be able=
 to get a better seal.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Randy</div>
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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
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or=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;triumphs-b=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of David Friedlander &lt;forzion7@gmail.=
com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2020 1:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> TR3 Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; New England Triumph=
s &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [TR] Small coolant leak</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<div dir=3D"auto">I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have t=
raced it to the handle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the bl=
ock. Anyone else had this issue? It's a new tap and don't know what the fix m=
ight be. It's not leaking from
 where the tap threads into the block... Thanks in advance for any BTDT advi=
ce...
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From: Greg Lemon <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 21:33:24 -0500

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I think I lapped mine and added a small washer to increase tension on the
spring.  Replacement valve, so far so good

Greg Lemon
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 16:09:49 -0400

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So, here's a thought.   Clean and dry the valve.  Close it up tight.  Take
a ~tiny~ bit of sealant of your choice, and seal the disc to the body.  Not
so much as to be a concern if it should drift into the cooling system -
just enough to do the job.  Then insert it into the block.

The valve should still operate as desired when you have to drain the block,
at which time you can re-seal it.  You still control the direction of flow
of coolant (which is the advantage of the drain tap vs. the plug, and you
still get that period look.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">So, here&#39;s a thought.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Clean and dry the va=
lve.=C2=A0 Close it up tight.=C2=A0 Take a ~tiny~ bit of sealant of your ch=
oice, and seal the disc to the body.=C2=A0 Not so much as to be a concern i=
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=A0 Then insert it into the=C2=A0block.<div><br></div><div>The valve should=
 still operate as desired when you have to drain the block, at which time y=
ou can re-seal it.=C2=A0 You still control the direction of flow of coolant=
 (which is the advantage of the drain tap vs. the plug, and you still get t=
hat period look.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
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ir=3D"auto">I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have traced=
 it to the handle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the block.=
 Anyone else had this issue? It&#39;s a new tap and don&#39;t know what the=
 fix might be. It&#39;s not leaking from where the tap threads into the blo=
ck... Thanks in advance for any BTDT advice...<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><=
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From: Michael Marr <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 21:46:56 +0000

The drain “valve” is actually a petcock. It doesn’t have a gate and seat, as such.  The best fix is to relap the plug to the body, using valve grinding compound. 

Mike

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> On Sep 15, 2020, at 15:36, Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
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> So, here's a thought.   Clean and dry the valve.  Close it up tight.  Take a ~tiny~ bit of sealant of your choice, and seal the disc to the body.  Not so much as to be a concern if it should drift into the cooling system - just enough to do the job.  Then insert it into the block.
> 
> The valve should still operate as desired when