Subject: Re: [TR] Alternator not charging battery - 1976 TR6

From: "Jim Henningsen" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 12:30:40 -0400

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Can't the parts place test the alternator off the car with their machine?
Jim Henningsen

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Subject: [TR] Alternator not charging battery - 1976 TR6

   Here's a synopsis - Almost new battery went dead. Charged battery and
took car to shop. Meter shows alternator is not charging battery (only 12
volts, not 14.6 as per Dan Master's book). Buy rebuilt alternator and the
same thing happens.  Swap alternator for a second rebuilt unit - same thing,
battery is not being charged. Tried 3 different meters - all showed 12
volts.  Hard to believe I got 2 bad rebuilt alternators.  What's wrong??

Dennis Culligan, 1976 TR6 

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battery and took car to shop. Meter shows alternator is not charging =
battery (only 12 volts, not 14.6 as per Dan Master&#8217;s book). Buy =
rebuilt alternator and the same thing happens.&nbsp; Swap alternator for =
a second rebuilt unit &#8211; same thing, battery is not being charged. =
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believe I got 2 bad rebuilt alternators.&nbsp; What&#8217;s =
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Does the alternator light come on in your dash?

On 9/30/2020 11:30 AM, Jim Henningsen wrote:
>
> Can’t the parts place test the alternator off the car with their 
> machine?  Jim Henningsen
>
> *From:* Triumphs <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of 
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2020 12:04 PM
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> *Subject:* [TR] Alternator not charging battery - 1976 TR6
>
>    Here’s a synopsis – Almost new battery went dead. Charged battery 
> and took car to shop. Meter shows alternator is not charging battery 
> (only 12 volts, not 14.6 as per Dan Master’s book). Buy rebuilt 
> alternator and the same thing happens.  Swap alternator for a second 
> rebuilt unit – same thing, battery is not being charged. Tried 3 
> different meters – all showed 12 volts.  Hard to believe I got 2 bad 
> rebuilt alternators.  What’s wrong??
>
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    <p>Does the alternator light come on in your dash?<br>
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          went dead. Charged battery and took car to shop. Meter shows
          alternator is not charging battery (only 12 volts, not 14.6 as
          per Dan Master’s book). Buy rebuilt alternator and the same
          thing happens.  Swap alternator for a second rebuilt unit –
          same thing, battery is not being charged. Tried 3 different
          meters – all showed 12 volts.  Hard to believe I got 2 bad
          rebuilt alternators.  What’s wrong??<o:p></o:p></p>
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Actually, no they don't have the facilities.  However, I have taken the 2nd
alternator to a local auto electric shop where they tested it and it's only
putting out a little over 13 volts which I do not believe is enough.  I plan
to retrieve my original alternator and have it re-built (which I should have
done in the first place).

Dennis

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Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 12:31 PM
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Subject: RE: [TR] Alternator not charging battery - 1976 TR6

From: Triumphs <[email-masked]
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class=3DMsoNormal>Actually, no they don&#8217;t have the =
facilities.&nbsp; However, I have taken the 2<sup>nd</sup> alternator to =
a local auto electric shop where they tested it and it&#8217;s only =
putting out a little over 13 volts which I do not believe is enough. =
&nbsp;I plan to retrieve my original alternator and have it re-built =
(which I should have done in the first place).<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dennis<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Jim Henningsen =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 30, 2020 =
12:31 PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] Alternator not charging =
battery - 1976 TR6<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Can&#8217;t =
the parts place test the alternator off the car with their =
machine?&nbsp; Jim Henningsen<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
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am.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b><a =
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TR6<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
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Here&#8217;s a synopsis &#8211; Almost new battery went dead. Charged =
battery and took car to shop. Meter shows alternator is not charging =
battery (only 12 volts, not 14.6 as per Dan Master&#8217;s book). Buy =
rebuilt alternator and the same thing happens.&nbsp; Swap alternator for =
a second rebuilt unit &#8211; same thing, battery is not being charged. =
Tried 3 different meters &#8211; all showed 12 volts. &nbsp;Hard to =
believe I got 2 bad rebuilt alternators.&nbsp; What&#8217;s =
wrong??<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Dennis Culligan, 1976 TR6 =
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 On the 76 TR6 (well all the CF series cars) the alternator output (brown) =
wire connects to the power tap on the positive battery positive cable with =
a 3/8 QC connector.=C2=A0 If this connector is not making good connection e=
ven a good alternator will not charge the battery.=C2=A0 Check that out bef=
ore you spend any more money.
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I second checking the wires.  Had a problem on a weekend road trip where 
one of the smaller wires in the plug that goes into the alternator 
broke.  Not fun trying to pry out the connector from the plug and 
uncrimp it with minimal tools.  With the car at home, give each wire a 
tug to make sure they are all secure.

As to rebuilds, I don't have faith is most rebuilders.  My rebuilt TR6 
starter lasted a full week before failing.  I think they are just out 
for a quick turn.

Brian

On 9/30/2020 2:31 PM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> On the 76 TR6 (well all the CF series cars) the alternator output 
> (brown) wire connects to the power tap on the positive battery 
> positive cable with a 3/8 QC connector.  If this connector is not 
> making good connection even a good alternator will not charge the 
> battery.  Check that out before you spend any more money.
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    I second checking the wires.  Had a problem on a weekend road trip
    where one of the smaller wires in the plug that goes into the
    alternator broke.  Not fun trying to pry out the connector from the
    plug and uncrimp it with minimal tools.  With the car at home, give
    each wire a tug to make sure they are all secure.<br>
    <br>
    As to rebuilds, I don't have faith is most rebuilders.  My rebuilt
    TR6 starter lasted a full week before failing.  I think they are
    just out for a quick turn.<br>
    <br>
    Brian<br>
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        <div> <font size="3">On the 76 TR6 (well all the CF series
            cars) the alternator output (brown) wire connects to the
            power tap on the </font><font size="3"><font size="3">positive
            </font>battery positive cable with a 3/8 QC connector.  If
            this connector is not making good connection even a good
            alternator will not charge the battery.  Check that out
            before you spend any more money.</font><br>
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                <div class="yiv9047746190MsoNormal">   Here’s a synopsis
                  – Almost new battery went dead. Charged battery and
                  took car to shop. Meter shows alternator is not
                  charging battery (only 12 volts, not 14.6 as per Dan
                  Master’s book). Buy rebuilt alternator and the same
                  thing happens.  Swap alternator for a second rebuilt
                  unit – same thing, battery is not being charged. Tried
                  3 different meters – all showed 12 volts.  Hard to
                  believe I got 2 bad rebuilt alternators.  What’s
                  wrong??</div>
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                  1976 TR6 </div>
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I will third checking the wires, I had a known good alternator and tried a
couple different voltage regulators (early Lucas with external regulator)
before I figured out the plug was broken, and one of the wires just pushed
out instead of pushing on.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 7:02 PM Brian Kemp <[email-masked]> wrote:

> one of the smaller wires in the plug that goes into the alternator broke.
> Not fun trying to pry out the connector from the plug and uncrimp it with
> minimal tools.  With the car at home, give each wire a tug to make sure
> they are all secure.
>
> starter lasted a full week before failing.  I think they are just out for=
 a
> quick turn.
> On the 76 TR6 (well all the CF series cars) the alternator output (brown)
> wire connects to the power tap on the positive battery positive cable
> with a 3/8 QC connector.  If this connector is not making good connection
> even a good alternator will not charge the battery.  Check that out befor=
e
> you spend any more money.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>    Here=E2=80=99s a synopsis =E2=80=93 Almost new battery went dead. Char=
ged battery and
> volts, not 14.6 as per Dan Master=E2=80=99s book). Buy rebuilt alternator=
 and the
> same thing happens.  Swap alternator for a second rebuilt unit =E2=80=93 =
same
> thing, battery is not being charged. Tried 3 different meters =E2=80=93 a=
ll showed
> 12 volts.  Hard to believe I got 2 bad rebuilt alternators.  What=E2=80=
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<div dir=3D"auto">I will third checking the wires, I had a known good alter=
nator and tried a couple different voltage regulators (early Lucas with ext=
ernal regulator) before I figured out the plug was broken, and one of the w=
ires just pushed out instead of pushing on.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon</div><div dir=3D"auto">TR250</div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 7:02 PM Brian Kemp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
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    I second checking the wires.=C2=A0 Had a problem on a weekend road trip
    where one of the smaller wires in the plug that goes into the
    alternator broke.=C2=A0 Not fun trying to pry out the connector from th=
e
    plug and uncrimp it with minimal tools.=C2=A0 With the car at home, giv=
e
    each wire a tug to make sure they are all secure.<br>
    <br>
    As to rebuilds, I don&#39;t have faith is most rebuilders.=C2=A0 My reb=
uilt
    TR6 starter lasted a full week before failing.=C2=A0 I think they are
    just out for a quick turn.<br>
    <br>
    Brian<br>
    <br>
    <div>On 9/30/2020 2:31 PM, DAVID MASSEY
      wrote:<br>
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     =20
      <div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
        <div> <font size=3D"3">On the 76 TR6 (well all the CF series
            cars) the alternator output (brown) wire connects to the
            power tap on the </font><font size=3D"3"><font size=3D"3">posit=
ive
            </font>battery positive cable with a 3/8 QC connector.=C2=A0 If
            this connector is not making good connection even a good
            alternator will not charge the battery.=C2=A0 Check that out
            before you spend any more money.</font><br>
        </div>
        <div> <br>
        </div>
        <div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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                <div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Here=E2=80=99s a synopsis
                  =E2=80=93 Almost new battery went dead. Charged battery a=
nd
                  took car to shop. Meter shows alternator is not
                  charging battery (only 12 volts, not 14.6 as per Dan
                  Master=E2=80=99s book). Buy rebuilt alternator and the sa=
me
                  thing happens.=C2=A0 Swap alternator for a second rebuilt
                  unit =E2=80=93 same thing, battery is not being charged. =
Tried
                  3 different meters =E2=80=93 all showed 12 volts.=C2=A0 H=
ard to
                  believe I got 2 bad rebuilt alternators.=C2=A0 What=E2=80=
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                  wrong??</div>
                <div>Dennis Culligan,
                  1976 TR6 </div>
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