Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod

From: staffel <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 23:43:35 -0400

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From: albert runyan <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:45:13 -0400

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We stopped selling this pump about 5 years ago.  Our current fuel pump is
made in Italy and we do not have issues with them.
regards,
Albert
TRF

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 11:43 PM staffel <[email-masked]> wrote:

>
> Several years ago on an evening  club drive in the Catoctin Mts of
> Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark &
> started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel
> flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg
> and a Motel.
>
> Next morning, still raining,  the issue was apparent: in the bottom of the
> Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.  Cleaned the bowl & nursed the car
> home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club friend came by and
> got his trailer & towed me home.
>
> Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls.
> So much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.
>
> Also examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so
> while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.
>
> A few months later got everything back together.  The engine started right
> up & ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed
> of the original  curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope,
> teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop.
>
> Magnifying glass exam of the original Triumph  Male pipe 'nut' and the
> female threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch
> - Chinese machining. It was not Metric either.
>
> So after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and
> install an electric pump, ala Jaguar V12s & Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907).
>
> Well, I installed a couple of  different new electric  pumps  adjacent to
> the mechanical pump.
>
> They would never 'self prime'.
>
> Now, returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED
> the tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank is
> less than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the
> original input height of the original pump, to receive fuel.
>
> So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning & new paint) and securing the new
> fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump  right on the frame. This allows
> the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to match the
> new location of the electric pump.
>
> Next will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality)
> to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the Water pump. The
> original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran up and
> forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the front of the
> engine & then across to the carburetor feeds.
>
> Finally hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue.
>
> I  wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing
> glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy
> status.
>
> Obviously not going to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. At
> least on the TR4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3),
> Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of
> the engine.
>
> Sherman D Taffel
> Columbia MD and Goldvein VA
> 65 TR4 CT 50054L
> ( per VTR the last known TR4 produced & shipped to USA)
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">We stopped selling this pump about 5 years ago.=C2=A0 Our =
current fuel pump is made in Italy and we do not have issues with them.<div=
>regards,</div><div>Albert</div><div>TRF</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 11:43=
 PM staffel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><=
div dir=3D"auto">
<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=
=3D"sans-serif">Several years ago on an evening=C2=A0 club drive in the Cat=
octin Mts of Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it =
got dark &amp; started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. =
Typical fuel flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fred=
ericksburg and a Motel.</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-se=
rif"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">Next morn=
ing, still raining,=C2=A0 the issue was apparent: in the bottom of the Glas=
s fuel bowl- a pile of &#39;rust dust&#39;.=C2=A0 Cleaned the bowl &amp; nu=
rsed the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club frien=
d came by and got his trailer &amp; towed me home.</font></div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font fa=
ce=3D"sans-serif">Further examination determined sediment also in the CD ca=
rbs fuel bowls. So much for the fuel pump &#39;screen&#39; being &#39;effec=
tive&#39;.</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br></fo=
nt></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">Also examination of th=
e fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so while working on the c=
arbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.=C2=A0</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><fon=
t face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans=
-serif">A few months later got everything back together.=C2=A0 The engine s=
tarted right up &amp; ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threa=
ds on fuel feed of the original=C2=A0 curved pipe inlet &#39;nut&#39; to th=
e new pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn&#39;t stop.=C2=A0=
</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font></div><=
div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">Magnifying glass exam of the ori=
ginal Triumph=C2=A0 Male pipe &#39;nut&#39; and the female threaded bore of=
 the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch - Chinese machining. It=
 was not Metric either.=C2=A0</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"s=
ans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">So =
after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and install=
 an electric pump, ala=C2=A0Jaguar V12s &amp; Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus 90=
7).</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font></di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">Well, I installed a couple of=
=C2=A0 different new electric=C2=A0 pumps=C2=A0 adjacent to the mechanical =
pump.</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font></=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">They would never &#39;self =
prime&#39;.=C2=A0</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><=
br></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">Now, returning =
to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, &amp; DRAINED the tank of th=
e old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank is less than 1/2 f=
ull requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the original input height =
of the original pump, to receive fuel.=C2=A0</font></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<font face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"=
sans-serif">So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning &amp; new paint) and se=
curing the new fuel line, inline glass Filter &amp; elec pump=C2=A0 right o=
n the frame. This allows the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel T=
ool cutting) to match the new location of the electric pump.</font></div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><font face=3D"sans-serif">Next will be modifying a new copper fuel line (=
 semblance of originality) to meet the elec pump feed right behind &amp; ad=
jacent to the Water pump. The original copper pipe mated to the back of the=
 mechanical pump , ran up and forward along the engine at the cylinder head=
 level to the front of the engine &amp; then across to the carburetor feeds=
.</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">Finally hope this resolves the =
fuel delivery issue.</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif=
"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">I=C2=A0 want=
ed to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing glitch. So =
others can not waste years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy status.</fo=
nt></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font></div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">Obviously not going to drive a car w=
ith weeping fuel near a hot engine. At least on the TR4 &amp; 6s, ( unlike =
Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust M=
anifolds are on the opposite side of the engine.=C2=A0</font></div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"auto">Sher=
man D Taffel=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">Columbia MD and Goldvein VA=C2=A0=
</div><div dir=3D"auto">65 TR4 CT 50054L</div><div dir=3D"auto">( per VTR t=
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:56:47 -0400

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From: Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 14:27:20 -0400

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I concur with Albert.  I have a made in Italy one from TRF on my 6 and works=
 perfectly.  I carry a spare Delphi low pressure electric pump in boot as em=
ergency.  Real easy to hook up on driver inner fender and wire to coil for p=
ower.  They are inexpensive and readily available. =20
Cheers
Jim Henningsen

> On Aug 11, 2020, at 1:45 PM, albert runyan <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> We stopped selling this pump about 5 years ago.  Our current fuel pump is m=
ade in Italy and we do not have issues with them.
>=20
>>=20
>> Several years ago on an evening  club drive in the Catoctin Mts of Maryla=
nd my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark & started t=
o rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel flow cloggin=
g issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg and a Motel.
>>=20
>> Next morning, still raining,  the issue was apparent: in the bottom of th=
e Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.  Cleaned the bowl & nursed the car=
 home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club friend came by and=
 got his trailer & towed me home.
>>=20
>> Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. S=
o much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.
>>=20
>> Also examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, s=
o while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.=20
>>=20
>> A few months later got everything back together.  The engine started righ=
t up & ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed o=
f the original  curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope, teflon t=
ape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop.=20
>>=20
>> Magnifying glass exam of the original Triumph  Male pipe 'nut' and the fe=
male threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch - C=
hinese machining. It was not Metric either.=20
>>=20
>> So after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and in=
stall an electric pump, ala Jaguar V12s & Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907).
>>=20
>> Well, I installed a couple of  different new electric  pumps  adjacent to=
 the mechanical pump.
>>=20
>> They would never 'self prime'.=20
>>=20
>> Now, returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED t=
he tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank is les=
s than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the original in=
put height of the original pump, to receive fuel.=20
>>=20
>> So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning & new paint) and securing the new=
 fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump  right on the frame. This allows=
 the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to match the=
 new location of the electric pump.
>>=20
>> Next will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality)=
 to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the Water pump. The o=
riginal copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran up and fo=
rward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the front of the engine=
 & then across to the carburetor feeds.
>>=20
>>=20
>> I  wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing gl=
itch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy sta=
tus.
>>=20
>> Obviously not going to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. A=
t least on the TR4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jen=
sen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of the en=
gine.=20
>>=20
>> Sherman D Taffel=20
>> Columbia MD and Goldvein VA=20
>> 65 TR4 CT 50054L
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
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ive
>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">I concur with Albert. &nbs=
p;I have a made in Italy one from TRF on my 6 and works perfectly. &nbsp;I c=
arry a spare Delphi low pressure electric pump in boot as emergency. &nbsp;R=
eal easy to hook up on driver inner fender and wire to coil for power. &nbsp=
;They are inexpensive and readily available. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ch=
eers</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jim Henningsen</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Aug 11, 2020, at 1:45 PM, al=
bert runyan &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">We stop=
ped selling this pump about 5 years ago.&nbsp; Our current fuel pump is made=
 in Italy and we do not have issues with them.<div>regards,</div><div>Albert=
</div><div>TRF</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 11:43 PM staffel &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1=
px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">
<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D=
"sans-serif">Several years ago on an evening&nbsp; club drive in the Catocti=
n Mts of Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got d=
ark &amp; started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typica=
l fuel flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksb=
urg and a Motel.</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br=
></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">Next morning, stil=
l raining,&nbsp; the issue was apparent: in the bottom of the Glass fuel bow=
l- a pile of 'rust dust'.&nbsp; Cleaned the bowl &amp; nursed the car home 3=
0 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club friend came by and got hi=
s trailer &amp; towed me home.</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"s=
ans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">Furt=
her examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. So much=
 for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"=
sans-serif">Also examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak dia=
phragm, so while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.&nbsp;</f=
ont></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">A few months later got everything back=
 together.&nbsp; The engine started right up &amp; ran fine. But no matter h=
ow I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed of the original&nbsp; curved pip=
e inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn=
't stop.&nbsp;</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br><=
/font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">Magnifying glass exa=
m of the original Triumph&nbsp; Male pipe 'nut' and the female threaded bore=
 of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch - Chinese machining. I=
t was not Metric either.&nbsp;</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"s=
ans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">So a=
fter talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and install a=
n electric pump, ala&nbsp;Jaguar V12s &amp; Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907).=
</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font></div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">Well, I installed a couple of&nbsp=
; different new electric&nbsp; pumps&nbsp; adjacent to the mechanical pump.<=
/font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">They would never 'self prime'.&nbsp=
;</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font></div><=
div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">Now, returning to the project. I r=
emoved the mechanical pump, &amp; DRAINED the tank of the old fuel. It seems=
 that the gravity feed when the tank is less than 1/2 full requires the elec=
 pump to be very low ( like the original input height of the original pump, t=
o receive fuel.&nbsp;</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif=
"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">So I am redet=
ailing the frame (cleaning &amp; new paint) and securing the new fuel line, i=
nline glass Filter &amp; elec pump&nbsp; right on the frame. This allows the=
 steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to match the new=
 location of the electric pump.</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"=
sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">Nex=
t will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality) to me=
et the elec pump feed right behind &amp; adjacent to the Water pump. The ori=
ginal copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran up and forw=
ard along the engine at the cylinder head level to the front of the engine &=
amp; then across to the carburetor feeds.</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><fon=
t face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-=
serif">Finally hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue.</font></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><fo=
nt face=3D"sans-serif">I&nbsp; wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump s=
upplier manufacturing glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TR=
s back to Roadworthy status.</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"san=
s-serif"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">Obviou=
sly not going to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. At least o=
n the TR4 &amp; 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jensen G=
Ts ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of the engine.=
&nbsp;</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font></=
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From: Chris Kantarjiev <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:37:24 -0700

It's been literally decades since I played with a mechanical pump on my 
TR4A (for me, the decision point to convert to electric was when the 
shaft came loose and the cam follower fell into the engine), but I 
recall that the hard line fittings to the pump are bubble flares - which 
means that the seal comes not from the threads, but from the interface 
between the flare at the end of the pipe and seat machined into the pump.

So pipe dope and tape aren't going to help you at all.

As to electric pumps, they definitely prefer to push rather than pull. 
They also like to be cool. Kas's Comp Prep book indicates that they 
factory team mounted the electric pump inside the driver's side rear 
wheel well, on the vertical panel of the "rear seat". That's where I 
mounted mine, with vibration mounts (and a cut-out switch under the 
steering column), and it was easy to patch into the fuel line with two 
lengths of rubber hose.

I made a blanking plate for the original fuel pump location, but a lot 
of people remove the guts of the pump and let fuel flow through (and if 
you have a glass bowl, that lets you see if fuel is flowing).

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My local British repair shop recommended a Hardi fuel pump, made in German=
y. =C2=A0You can mount it by the fuel tank=C2=A0to push, or in the engine =
bay to pull. =C2=A0Works great, very quiet.=0A=0ARye=0APH: 530-FIND-RYE=0A=
=0AOn August 11, 2020 at 11:27 AM, Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:=0A=0AI concur with Albert. =C2=A0I have a made in Italy one from TRF on=
 my 6 and works perfectly. =C2=A0I carry a spare Delphi low pressure elect=
ric pump in boot as emergency. =C2=A0Real easy to hook up on driver inner =
fender and wire to coil for power. =C2=A0They are inexpensive and readily =
available. =C2=A0=0ACheers=0AJim Henningsen=0A=0A=0AOn Aug 11, 2020, at 1:=
45 PM, albert runyan <[email-masked]> wrote:=0A=0A=EF=BB=BF=0AWe s=
topped selling this pump about 5 years ago.=C2=A0 Our current fuel pump is=
 made in Italy and we do not have issues with them.=0Aregards,=0AAlbert=0A=
TRF=0A=0AOn Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 11:43 PM staffel <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:=0A=0ASeveral years ago on an evening=C2=A0 club drive in the Catoctin=
 Mts of Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got =
dark & started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical=
 fuel flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericks=
burg and a Motel.=0A=0ANext morning, still raining,=C2=A0 the issue was ap=
parent: in the bottom of the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.=C2=A0=
 Cleaned the bowl & nursed the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortu=
nately a Jag club friend came by and got his trailer & towed me home.=0A=0A=
Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. S=
o much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.=0A=0AAlso examination=
 of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so while working o=
n the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.=C2=A0=0A=0AA few months later go=
t everything back together.=C2=A0 The engine started right up & ran fine. =
But no matter how I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed of the original=
=C2=A0 curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, r=
tv) the leak wouldn't stop.=C2=A0=0A=0AMagnifying glass exam of the origin=
al Triumph=C2=A0 Male pipe 'nut' and the female threaded bore of the new T=
RF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch - Chinese machining. It was not =
Metric either.=C2=A0=0A=0ASo after talking with TRF, I decided to forget t=
he mechanical pump and install an electric pump, ala=C2=A0Jaguar V12s & Je=
nsen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907).=0A=0AWell, I installed a couple of=C2=A0 di=
fferent new electric=C2=A0 pumps=C2=A0 adjacent to the mechanical pump.=0A=
=0AThey would never 'self prime'.=C2=A0=0A=0ANow, returning to the project=
. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED the tank of the old fuel. It se=
ems that the gravity feed when the tank is less than 1/2 full requires the=
 elec pump to be very low ( like the original input height of the original=
 pump, to receive fuel.=C2=A0=0A=0ASo I am redetailing the frame (cleaning=
 & new paint) and securing the new fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec p=
ump=C2=A0 right on the frame. This allows the steel feed line from the tan=
k ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to match the new location of the electric p=
ump.=0A=0ANext will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of ori=
ginality) to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the Water =
pump. The original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , =
ran up and forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the fron=
t of the engine & then across to the carburetor feeds.=0A=0AFinally hope t=
his resolves the fuel delivery issue.=0A=0AI=C2=A0 wanted to share a warni=
ng about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing glitch. So others can not was=
te years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy status.=0A=0AObviously not g=
oing to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. At least on the T=
R4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jensen GTs ( have=
 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of the engine.=C2=A0=0A=
=0ASherman D Taffel=C2=A0=0AColumbia MD and Goldvein VA=C2=A0=0A65 TR4 CT =
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<html><body><div>My local British repair shop recommended a Hardi fuel pump, made in G=
ermany. &nbsp;You can mount it by the fuel tank&nbsp;to push, or in the en=
gine bay to pull. &nbsp;Works great, very quiet.</div><div><br data-mce-bo=
gus=3D"1"></div><div class=3D"x-apple-signature">Rye<br>PH: 530-FIND-RYE</=
div><div><br>On August 11, 2020 at 11:27 AM, Jim Henningsen &lt;trguy75@gm=
ail.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D=
"msg-quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">I concur with Albert. &nbsp;I ha=
ve a made in Italy one from TRF on my 6 and works perfectly. &nbsp;I carry=
 a spare Delphi low pressure electric pump in boot as emergency. &nbsp;Rea=
l easy to hook up on driver inner fender and wire to coil for power. &nbsp=
;They are inexpensive and readily available. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
Cheers</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jim Henningsen</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Aug 11, 2020, at 1:45 =
PM, albert runyan &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquot=
e></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">We sto=
pped selling this pump about 5 years ago.&nbsp; Our current fuel pump is m=
ade in Italy and we do not have issues with them.<div>regards,</div><div>A=
lbert</div><div>TRF</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 11:43 PM staffel &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:staffel@comcas=
t.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc=
ccc; padding-left: 1ex;" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; bord=
er-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans=
-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: =
sans-serif;">Several years ago on an evening&nbsp; club drive in the Catoc=
tin Mts of Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it g=
ot dark &amp; started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. =
Typical fuel flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fre=
dericksburg and a Motel.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-=
serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: s=
ans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" d=
ata-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-seri=
f;">Next morning, still raining,&nbsp; the issue was apparent: in the bott=
om of the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.&nbsp; Cleaned the bowl &=
amp; nursed the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag cl=
ub friend came by and got his trailer &amp; towed me home.</span></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sa=
ns-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif=
;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;">Further examination determined sedim=
ent also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. So much for the fuel pump 'screen' be=
ing 'effective'.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" d=
ata-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-seri=
f;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-=
style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;">Also=
 examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so whi=
le working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.&nbsp;</span></div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: s=
ans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif=
;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;">A few months later got everything ba=
ck together.&nbsp; The engine started right up &amp; ran fine. But no matt=
er how I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed of the original&nbsp; curv=
ed pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the lea=
k wouldn't stop.&nbsp;</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-se=
rif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: san=
s-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" dat=
a-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;=
">Magnifying glass exam of the original Triumph&nbsp; Male pipe 'nut' and =
the female threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mism=
atch - Chinese machining. It was not Metric either.&nbsp;</span></div><div=
 dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: san=
s-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;=
" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;">So after talking with TRF, I decided =
to forget the mechanical pump and install an electric pump, ala&nbsp;Jagua=
r V12s &amp; Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907).</span></div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" st=
yle=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span =
face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"f=
ont-family: sans-serif;">Well, I installed a couple of&nbsp; different new=
 electric&nbsp; pumps&nbsp; adjacent to the mechanical pump.</span></div><=
div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: =
sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif=
;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;">They would never 'self prime'.&nbsp;=
</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D=
"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-fa=
mily: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;">Now, returning to th=
e project. I removed the mechanical pump, &amp; DRAINED the tank of the ol=
d fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank is less than 1/2 full=
 requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the original input height of=
 the original pump, to receive fuel.&nbsp;</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=
=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span fac=
e=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font=
-family: sans-serif;">So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning &amp; new pa=
int) and securing the new fuel line, inline glass Filter &amp; elec pump&n=
bsp; right on the frame. This allows the steel feed line from the tank ( a=
fter Dremel Tool cutting) to match the new location of the electric pump.<=
/span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"=
font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span></=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-fam=
ily: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;">Next will be modifyin=
g a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality) to meet the elec pump=
 feed right behind &amp; adjacent to the Water pump. The original copper p=
ipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran up and forward along th=
e engine at the cylinder head level to the front of the engine &amp; then =
across to the carburetor feeds.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D=
"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-fam=
ily: sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-se=
rif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: san=
s-serif;">Finally hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue.</span></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family:=
 sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-se=
rif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;">I&nbsp; wanted to share a warning=
 about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing glitch. So others can not waste=
 years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy status.</span></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif=
;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
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=3D"font-family: sans-serif;">Obviously not going to drive a car with weep=
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6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifol=
ds are on the opposite side of the engine.&nbsp;</span></div><div dir=3D"a=
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From: Q <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:12:36 -0700

The original olives I have seen all have tapered ends but a section in 
the middle that is straight.?? All were longer than any replacement ones 
that I could find.?? I have often wondered if UK olives are still longer 
but have never remembered to stop by a parts store while visiting. 
Perhaps the 1/4" in the factory listing is the length of that section.?? 
Part of the two nations divided by a common language malaise.

I have successfully removed old olives from the lines and reused them 
since I first had issue with fuel leakage back in the 70's.

Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA

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From: bill beecher <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 14:51:22 -0500

Moss lists two different olives, $2.49 & .59.   Probably the first one is what you need, might be worth a phone call to ask the difference.  
Bill

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On Aug 13, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Q <[email-masked]> wrote:

The original olives I have seen all have tapered ends but a section in the middle that is straight.?? All were longer than any replacement ones that I could find.?? I have often wondered if UK olives are still longer but have never remembered to stop by a parts store while visiting. Perhaps the 1/4" in the factory listing is the length of that section.?? Part of the two nations divided by a common language malaise.

I have successfully removed old olives from the lines and reused them since I first had issue with fuel leakage back in the 70's.

Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 19:39:44 +0000 (UTC)

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Having just gone through the process of fitting a rebuilt AC Delco pump I f=
ound that the leak problem which I had was a mis match of parts supplied by=
=C2=A0UK TR specialists. The copper pipe was metric and the brass olives, a=
lso metric but slightly different diameter and of course when fitted to the=
 pump leaked fuel.When I had managed to get proper 1/4=E2=80=9D brass olive=
s and 1/4=E2=80=9D copper pipe I made the outlet connection without any fue=
l leakage happening.Graham
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Ed is correct, it is the ferrule that does the sealing when it is compresse=
d by the threaded fitting tightening down to the fuel pump housing. The fue=
l pipe threads into the fuel pump with a 5/16=E2=80=9D compression fitting.=
 If replaced, these may be prone to leaking fuel because the original ferru=
le was .297=E2=80=9D to .303=E2=80=9D in length whereas most North American=
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the compression fitting often bottoms out before the ferrule is properly co=
mpressed. The Roadster Factory sells compression fittings and ferrules that=
 they claim do not have this problem. Also, several years ago, Scott uhring=
 suggested using two ferrules end to end and filed down on the mating surfa=
ce to get the necessary length.

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From: EDWARD WOODS <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: August 11, 2020 7:02 AM
To: Greg Lemon <[email-masked]>; staffel <[email-masked]>
Cc: Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod

 =C2=A0

And isn't it the brass "acorn" that seals the connection at the pump, not t=
he threads? ISTR that the original "acorn" is a bit longer than the replace=
ments available which limits compression and can cause a leak. At one time =
there was someone making a longer "acorn" to solve this problem.=C2=A0=20

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Having just gone through the process of fitting a rebuilt AC Delco pump I f=
ound that the leak problem which I had was a mis match of parts supplied by=
&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-size: 20px;">UK TR specialists. The copper pipe w=
as metric and the brass olives, also metric but slightly different diameter=
 and of course when fitted to the pump leaked fuel.</span><div><span style=
=3D"font-size: 20px;">When I had managed to get proper 1/4=E2=80=9D brass o=
lives and 1/4=E2=80=9D copper pipe I made the outlet connection without any=
 fuel leakage happening.</span><div>Graham<br><div id=3D"__aol_mail_signatu=
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#yiv5478187833 </style><div><div class=3D"yiv5478187833WordSection1"><p cla=
ss=3D"yiv5478187833MsoNormal"><span style=3D"">Ed is correct, it is the fer=
rule that does the sealing when it is compressed by the threaded fitting ti=
ghtening down to the fuel pump housing. The fuel pipe threads into the fuel=
 pump with a 5/16=E2=80=9D compression fitting. If replaced, these may be p=
rone to leaking fuel because the original ferrule was .297=E2=80=9D to .303=
=E2=80=9D in length whereas most North American ferrules are only .247=E2=
=80=9D to .253=E2=80=9D in length. Consequently, the compression fitting of=
ten bottoms out before the ferrule is properly compressed. The Roadster Fac=
tory sells compression fittings and ferrules that they claim do not have th=
is problem. Also, several years ago, Scott uhring suggested using two ferru=
les end to end and filed down on the mating surface to get the necessary le=
ngth.</span></p><p class=3D"yiv5478187833MsoNormal"><img id=3D"yiv547818783=
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" id=3D"yiv5478187833yqtfd71015"><p class=3D"yiv5478187833MsoNormal"><b><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> EDWARD WOODS &lt;fo=
[email-masked]&gt; <br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> August 11, 2020 7:02 =
AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> Greg Lemon &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; staffe=
l &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b> Triumphs &lt;tri=
[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR4 Fue=
l Delivery Issue &amp; Mod</span></p></div></div></div><div class=3D"yiv547=
8187833yqt7847658247" id=3D"yiv5478187833yqtfd25570"><p class=3D"yiv5478187=
833MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"yiv5478187833MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#333333;">And isn't it =
the brass "acorn" that seals the connection at the pump, not the threads? I=
STR that the original "acorn" is a bit longer than the replacements availab=
le which limits compression and can cause a leak. At one time there was som=
eone making a longer "acorn" to solve this problem.&nbsp; </span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"yiv5478187833MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;fo=
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