Subject: Re: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one

From: Bob <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 10:10:01 -0400

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Andrew,

The problem I have is forgetting things I used to know. I have owned 5 
different Triumphs, 2 3's, 2 4's and a 6. Restored them all over the 
years. Sometimes I have to think twice when a problem arises on my 
current 3,4 and 6. I am hoping the list and its collective knowledge 
continues and passes on to our sons and daughters.

Randall and Fred have passed on and we will miss them and their help but 
with the help of Randall's archives and the list we will continue.

Bob

On 8/12/20 9:57 AM, andrew uprichard wrote:
>
> Every morning I browse various TR websites and chat pages.  One trend 
> I have noticed is various individuals who like to show how much they 
> supposedly know by demeaning or ridiculing those of us who maybe don’t 
> know everything there is to know.  Goodness knows how many dumb 
> questions I have asked over the years.
>
> It made me think (again) about Randall. If anyone had the credentials 
> to be arrogant or condescending, he did.  He knew more about these 
> cars than most of us collectively ever will.  Yet he was always kind 
> and sincere.  Some of you may remember the individual a few years ago 
> who was trying to restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of 
> questions:  Randall was consistently patient and helpful while I am 
> sure some of us rolled our eyes.
>
> Maybe people are trying to assume Randall’s mantle as the TR guru.  
> Well, it isn’t going to happen, people.
>
> Please let me be clear – this list has always seemed to me a friendly 
> and intimate place (with just a few exceptions).  I have seen less 
> traffic recently and I sincerely hope it continues for as long as we 
> work on our beloved cars.  Mark does a great job and if I haven’t 
> thanked him enough, I apologize.  Mark – remind us again how to 
> contribute.
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
>
>
> ** [email-masked] **
>
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    <p>Andrew,</p>
    <p>The problem I have is forgetting things I used to know. I have
      owned 5 different Triumphs, 2 3's, 2 4's and a 6. Restored them
      all over the years. Sometimes I have to think twice when a problem
      arises on my current 3,4 and 6. I am hoping the list and its
      collective knowledge continues and passes on to our sons and
      daughters. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Randall and Fred have passed on and we will miss them and their
      help but with the help of Randall's archives and the list we will
      continue.</p>
    <p>Bob<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/12/20 9:57 AM, andrew uprichard
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
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            websites and chat pages.  One trend I have noticed is
            various individuals who like to show how much they
            supposedly know by demeaning or ridiculing those of us who
            maybe don’t know everything there is to know.  Goodness
            knows how many dumb questions I have asked over the years.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            Roman&quot;,serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,serif">It made me think (again) about Randall. 
            If anyone had the credentials to be arrogant or
            condescending, he did.  He knew more about these cars than
            most of us collectively ever will.  Yet he was always kind
            and sincere.  Some of you may remember the individual a few
            years ago who was trying to restore a TR3 and asked the most
            fundamental of questions:  Randall was consistently patient
            and helpful while I am sure some of us rolled our eyes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,serif">Maybe people are trying to assume
            Randall’s mantle as the TR guru.  Well, it isn’t going to
            happen, people.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            Roman&quot;,serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,serif">Please let me be clear – this list has
            always seemed to me a friendly and intimate place (with just
            a few exceptions).  I have seen less traffic recently and I
            sincerely hope it continues for as long as we work on our
            beloved cars.  Mark does a great job and if I haven’t
            thanked him enough, I apologize.  Mark – remind us again how
            to contribute.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,serif">Andrew Uprichard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,serif">Jackson, Michigan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 07:55:14 -0700

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On 8/12/20 7:10 AM, Bob wrote:
>
> Andrew,
>
> The problem I have is forgetting things I used to know.
>
*I have always had a poor memory, which is why I started my TR3 web 
site. So I and others can refer to it for things I likely have 
forgotten. Sadly a lot of things I learned that is not in manuals never 
made it into the web site but some has including my research on Webers 
when I was learning to set mine up and my research on cylinder heads 
from when I was looking for a replacement cylinder head. I have a net 
nuggets  sections to capture technical emails on subjects that I think 
are not adequately covered in manuals. Sadly it is not up to date and I 
probably have close to 100 emails on technical subjects I need to add to 
those pages.

While I do not have nearly the expertise of those we have lost, and only 
have experience with my TR3, there is some good stuff in the web site 
that some TR2 - 4A folks might find of use.*

http://www.tr3a.info

TeriAnn

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/12/20 7:10 AM, Bob wrote:<br>
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      <p>Andrew,</p>
      <p>The problem I have is forgetting things I used to know.</p>
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    <p><b>I have always had a poor memory, which is why I started my TR3
        web site. So I and others can refer to it for things I likely
        have forgotten. Sadly a lot of things I learned that is not in
        manuals never made it into the web site but some has including
        my research on Webers when I was learning to set mine up and my
        research on cylinder heads from when I was looking for a
        replacement cylinder head. I have a net nuggets  sections to
        capture technical emails on subjects that I think are not
        adequately covered in manuals. Sadly it is not up to date and I
        probably have close to 100 emails on technical subjects I need
        to add to those pages.<br>
        <br>
        While I do not have nearly the expertise of those we have lost,
        and only have experience with my TR3, there is some good stuff
        in the web site that some TR2 - 4A folks might find of use.</b></p>
    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.tr3a.info">http://www.tr3a.info</a></p>
    <p>TeriAnn<br>
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 15:02:03 +0000

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From: Roger Elliott <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 10:58:08 -0500

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We all miss Randall.  He seemed to have knowledge on everything.

I am not Mark,  but Mark provides a link to donate at the bottom of the 
emails:

Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html

On 8/12/2020 10:02 AM, Michael Marr wrote:
> Mark – remind us again how to contribute.

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    <p>We all miss Randall.  He seemed to have knowledge on everything.<br>
    </p>
    <p>I am not Mark,  but Mark provides a link to donate at the bottom
      of the emails:<br>
    </p>
    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Donate: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a></pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/12/2020 10:02 AM, Michael Marr
      wrote:<br>
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        style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"> Mark –
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From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 22:02:08 +0100

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I too greatly miss Randall=E2=80=99s fascinating and proven techniques on ol=
d Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who populate the email l=
ists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining former Standard Triu=
mph employees who are merely =E2=80=9Cwatchers=E2=80=9D on the lists and nev=
er make contributions of their own because their memories of how and why thi=
ngs were done the way they were when the cars were new, are now seriously ja=
ded with the passage of time. I have no hesitation including myself in that g=
roup for the simple fact that my own memory is seriously letting me down. It=
 will continue to do so through the onset of vascular dementia.

However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of techniques=
 and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars running and as =E2=
=80=9CCoventrians=E2=80=9D we thought we should accord him some form of hono=
urable title that had a particular Standard Triumph flavour.=20

Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his new a=
nd very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He accepted a=
nd sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of thanks.=20

Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import of th=
e =E2=80=98title=E2=80=99 so I=E2=80=99ll explain. When the Standard Motor C=
ompany moved to its site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only building whi=
ch could house the myriad non production issues was a former three storey ho=
use that was covered in Virginia Creeper that everyone mistakenly called ivy=
.=20

For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where one was=
 likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in the 196=
0s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn=E2=80=99t answer, t=
he reply was usually on the lines of =E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=99s a rum one, our k=
id. Best go to Ivy Cottage for yer answer.=E2=80=9D=20

Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different admin f=
unctions but =E2=80=98best go to Ivy Cottage=E2=80=99 was the lingua Franca w=
ithin the company to get your issue sorted out somewhere else.=20

So you see, Randall=E2=80=99s endless responses to what must have seemed to h=
im to be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in the best c=
ompany tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.

I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that so ma=
ny listers sought and there=E2=80=99s no doubt in my mind that our decision a=
s former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just and in no w=
ay misplaced.=20

I miss his contributions already even though I=E2=80=99ve been Triumph and f=
Ferguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I=E2=80=99ll give google image=
s a thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can see where t=
he Marquess had his official company seat. When I find what I want, I=E2=80=99=
ll post the link for you to do a click through and see for yourselves.

Jonmac

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
Lord Uxbridge:  =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=E2=80=9D
Duke of Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - so you have!=E2=80=9D

> On 12 Aug 2020, at 14:57, andrew uprichard <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
>=20
> Every morning I browse various TR websites and chat pages.  One trend I ha=
ve noticed is various individuals who like to show how much they supposedly k=
now by demeaning or ridiculing those of us who maybe don=E2=80=99t know ever=
ything there is to know.  Goodness knows how many dumb questions I have aske=
d over the years.
> =20
> It made me think (again) about Randall.  If anyone had the credentials to b=
e arrogant or condescending, he did.  He knew more about these cars than mos=
t of us collectively ever will.  Yet he was always kind and sincere.  Some o=
f you may remember the individual a few years ago who was trying to restore a=
 TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:  Randall was consistently p=
atient and helpful while I am sure some of us rolled our eyes.
> =20
> Maybe people are trying to assume Randall=E2=80=99s mantle as the TR guru.=
  Well, it isn=E2=80=99t going to happen, people.
> =20
> Please let me be clear =E2=80=93 this list has always seemed to me a frien=
dly and intimate place (with just a few exceptions).  I have seen less traff=
ic recently and I sincerely hope it continues for as long as we work on our b=
eloved cars.  Mark does a great job and if I haven=E2=80=99t thanked him eno=
ugh, I apologize.  Mark =E2=80=93 remind us again how to contribute.
> =20
>=20
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  http://www.team.net/archi=
ve
>=20
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.ma=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I too greatly miss Randall=E2=80=99s fascin=
ating and proven techniques on old Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very f=
ew people who populate the email lists run by Mark realise there are about f=
ive remaining former Standard Triumph employees who are merely =E2=80=9Cwatc=
hers=E2=80=9D on the lists and never make contributions of their own because=
 their memories of how and why things were done the way they were when the c=
ars were new, are now seriously jaded with the passage of time. I have no he=
sitation including myself in that group for the simple fact that my own memo=
ry is seriously letting me down. It will continue to do so through the onset=
 of vascular dementia.<div><br></div><div>However, Randall amazed all of us w=
ith his expansive knowledge of techniques and options of safe and reliable s=
hortcuts to keep the cars running and as =E2=80=9CCoventrians=E2=80=9D we th=
ought we should accord him some form of honourable title that had a particul=
ar Standard Triumph flavour.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Together and as a=
 group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his new and very unofficia=
l title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He accepted and sent us (thro=
ugh me) a most modest and touching letter of thanks.&nbsp;</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or impo=
rt of the =E2=80=98title=E2=80=99 so I=E2=80=99ll explain. When the Standard=
 Motor Company moved to its site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only buil=
ding which could house the myriad non production issues was a former three s=
torey house that was covered in Virginia Creeper that everyone mistakenly ca=
lled ivy.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>For a few years, Ivy Cottage was th=
e only place in the company where one was likely to find answers to all sort=
s of questions. Even in my day in the 1960s, if you asked a colleague a ques=
tion he or she couldn=E2=80=99t answer, the reply was usually on the lines o=
f =E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=99s a rum one, our kid. Best go to Ivy Cottage for yer=
 answer.=E2=80=9D&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Of course, by that time, Iv=
y Cottage had gone through many different admin functions but =E2=80=98best g=
o to Ivy Cottage=E2=80=99 was the lingua Franca within the company to get yo=
ur issue sorted out somewhere else.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>So you se=
e, Randall=E2=80=99s endless responses to what must have seemed to him to be=
 tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in the best company t=
radition and with appropriate nomenclature.</div><div><br></div><div>I know w=
ithout any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that so many liste=
rs sought and there=E2=80=99s no doubt in my mind that our decision as forme=
r employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just and in no way mis=
placed.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I miss his contributions already even=
 though I=E2=80=99ve been Triumph and fFerguson tractor-less for nearly two d=
ecades. I=E2=80=99ll give google images a thorough caning for an image of Iv=
y Cottage so all of you can see where the Marquess had his official company s=
eat. When I find what I want, I=E2=80=99ll post the link for you to do a cli=
ck through and see for yourselves.</div><div><br></div><div>Jonmac<br><br><d=
iv id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:<di=
v>Lord Uxbridge: &nbsp;=E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=E2=80=
=9D</div><div>Duke of Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - so you have!=E2=80=9D=
</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 12 Aug 2020, at 14:57, an=
drew uprichard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">auprichard@up=
richard.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D=
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ow by demeaning or ridiculing those of us who maybe don=E2=80=99t know every=
thing there is to know.&nbsp; Goodness knows how many dumb questions I have a=
sked over the years.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&q=
uot;,serif">It made me think (again) about Randall.&nbsp; If anyone had the c=
redentials to be arrogant or condescending, he did.&nbsp; He knew more about=
 these cars than most of us collectively ever will.&nbsp; Yet he was always k=
ind and sincere.&nbsp; Some of you may remember the individual a few years a=
go who was trying to restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questio=
ns:&nbsp; Randall was consistently patient and helpful while I am sure some o=
f us rolled our eyes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&=
quot;,serif">Maybe people are trying to assume Randall=E2=80=99s mantle as t=
he TR guru.&nbsp; Well, it isn=E2=80=99t going to happen, people.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New=
 Roman&quot;,serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Please let me be cl=
ear =E2=80=93 this list has always seemed to me a friendly and intimate plac=
e (with just a few exceptions).&nbsp; I have seen less traffic recently and I=
 sincerely hope it continues for as long as we work on our beloved cars.&nbs=
p; Mark does a great job and if I haven=E2=80=99t thanked him enough, I apol=
ogize.&nbsp; Mark =E2=80=93 remind us again how to contribute.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;,serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
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 That is a very touching tribute. Thank you for sharing.
I am reminded of what a friend of mine from Congo once said.=C2=A0 He said =
in his tradition when an old person dies it is like loosing a library.=C2=
=A0 Fortunately for us, much of what he knew was documented.=C2=A0 Alas, it=
 is never the case that everything is.
=20
Dave=20

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-----Original Message-----
From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
To: andrew uprichard <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2020 4:02 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one

I too greatly miss Randall=E2=80=99s fascinating and proven techniques on o=
ld Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who populate the emai=
l lists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining former Standard =
Triumph employees who are merely =E2=80=9Cwatchers=E2=80=9D on the lists an=
d never make contributions of their own because their memories of how and w=
hy things were done the way they were when the cars were new, are now serio=
usly jaded with the passage of time. I have no hesitation including myself =
in that group for the simple fact that my own memory is seriously letting m=
e down. It will continue to do so through the onset of vascular dementia.
However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of technique=
s and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars running and a=
s =E2=80=9CCoventrians=E2=80=9D we thought we should accord him some form o=
f honourable title that had a particular Standard Triumph flavour.=C2=A0
Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his new =
and very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He accepte=
d and sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of thanks.=C2=
=A0
Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import of t=
he =E2=80=98title=E2=80=99 so I=E2=80=99ll explain. When the Standard Motor=
 Company moved to its site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only building =
which could house the myriad non production issues was a former three store=
y house that was covered in Virginia Creeper that everyone mistakenly calle=
d ivy.=C2=A0
For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where one wa=
s likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in the 1=
960s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn=E2=80=99t answer=
, the reply was usually on the lines of =E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=99s a rum one, =
our kid. Best go to Ivy Cottage for yer answer.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0
Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different admin =
functions but =E2=80=98best go to Ivy Cottage=E2=80=99 was the lingua Franc=
a within the company to get your issue sorted out somewhere else.=C2=A0
So you see, Randall=E2=80=99s endless responses to what must have seemed to=
 him to be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in the be=
st company tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.
I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that so m=
any listers sought and there=E2=80=99s no doubt in my mind that our decisio=
n as former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just and in=
 no way misplaced.=C2=A0
I miss his contributions already even though I=E2=80=99ve been Triumph and =
fFerguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I=E2=80=99ll give google ima=
ges a thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can see whe=
re the Marquess had his official company seat. When I find what I want, I=
=E2=80=99ll post the link for you to do a click through and see for yoursel=
ves.
Jonmac

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:Lord Uxbridge: =C2=A0=E2=80=9CBy God, Sir -=
 I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=E2=80=9DDuke of Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir =
- so you have!=E2=80=9D

On 12 Aug 2020, at 14:57, andrew uprichard <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

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133491WordSection1 {}#yiv4179133491 Every morning I browse various TR websi=
tes and chat pages.=C2=A0 One trend I have noticed is various individuals w=
ho like to show how much they supposedly know by demeaning or ridiculing th=
ose of us who maybe don=E2=80=99t know everything there is to know.=C2=A0 G=
oodness knows how many dumb questions I have asked over the years. =C2=A0It=
 made me think (again) about Randall.=C2=A0 If anyone had the credentials t=
o be arrogant or condescending, he did.=C2=A0 He knew more about these cars=
 than most of us collectively ever will.=C2=A0 Yet he was always kind and s=
incere.=C2=A0 Some of you may remember the individual a few years ago who w=
as trying to restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:=C2=
=A0 Randall was consistently patient and helpful while I am sure some of us=
 rolled our eyes. =C2=A0Maybe people are trying to assume Randall=E2=80=99s=
 mantle as the TR guru.=C2=A0 Well, it isn=E2=80=99t going to happen, peopl=
e. =C2=A0Please let me be clear =E2=80=93 this list has always seemed to me=
 a friendly and intimate place (with just a few exceptions).=C2=A0 I have s=
een less traffic recently and I sincerely hope it continues for as long as =
we work on our beloved cars.=C2=A0 Mark does a great job and if I haven=E2=
=80=99t thanked him enough, I apologize.=C2=A0 Mark =E2=80=93 remind us aga=
in how to contribute. =C2=A0Andrew UprichardJackson, Michigan
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<div> <font size=3D"3">That is a very touching tribute. Thank you for shari=
ng.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">I am reminded of what a friend of mine from Congo onc=
e said.&nbsp; He said in his tradition when an old person dies it is like l=
oosing a library.&nbsp; Fortunately for us, much of what he knew was docume=
nted.&nbsp; Alas, it is never the case that everything is.</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----=
Original Message-----<br>
From: John Macartney &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: andrew uprichard &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: [email-masked]<br>
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2020 4:02 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one<br>
<br>

<div id=3D"yiv4179133491">
<div>I too greatly miss Randall=E2=80=99s fascinating and proven techniques=
 on old Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who populate the=
 email lists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining former Stan=
dard Triumph employees who are merely =E2=80=9Cwatchers=E2=80=9D on the lis=
ts and never make contributions of their own because their memories of how =
and why things were done the way they were when the cars were new, are now =
seriously jaded with the passage of time. I have no hesitation including my=
self in that group for the simple fact that my own memory is seriously lett=
ing me down. It will continue to do so through the onset of vascular dement=
ia.
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of tech=
niques and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars running =
and as =E2=80=9CCoventrians=E2=80=9D we thought we should accord him some f=
orm of honourable title that had a particular Standard Triumph flavour.&nbs=
p;</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his=
 new and very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He ac=
cepted and sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of thanks=
.&nbsp;</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import=
 of the =E2=80=98title=E2=80=99 so I=E2=80=99ll explain. When the Standard =
Motor Company moved to its site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only buil=
ding which could house the myriad non production issues was a former three =
storey house that was covered in Virginia Creeper that everyone mistakenly =
called ivy.&nbsp;</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where o=
ne was likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in =
the 1960s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn=E2=80=99t a=
nswer, the reply was usually on the lines of =E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=99s a rum =
one, our kid. Best go to Ivy Cottage for yer answer.=E2=80=9D&nbsp;</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different a=
dmin functions but =E2=80=98best go to Ivy Cottage=E2=80=99 was the lingua =
Franca within the company to get your issue sorted out somewhere else.&nbsp=
;</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>So you see, Randall=E2=80=99s endless responses to what must have seem=
ed to him to be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in t=
he best company tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that=
 so many listers sought and there=E2=80=99s no doubt in my mind that our de=
cision as former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just a=
nd in no way misplaced.&nbsp;</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>I miss his contributions already even though I=E2=80=99ve been Triumph=
 and fFerguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I=E2=80=99ll give googl=
e images a thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can se=
e where the Marquess had his official company seat. When I find what I want=
, I=E2=80=99ll post the link for you to do a click through and see for your=
selves.</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Jonmac<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv4179133491AppleMailSignature">At the Battle of Wa=
terloo, 1815:
<div>Lord Uxbridge: &nbsp;=E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=
=E2=80=9D</div>

<div>Duke of Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - so you have!=E2=80=9D</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
</div>

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ichard.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">aupr=
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">Every morning I browse various TR websites and chat pages.&nbsp; One tren=
d I have noticed is various individuals who like to show how much they supp=
osedly know by demeaning or ridiculing those of us who maybe don=E2=80=99t =
know everything there is to know.&nbsp; Goodness knows how many dumb questi=
ons I have asked over the years.</span></div>

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"> &nbsp;</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv4179133491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:New serif;=
">It made me think (again) about Randall.&nbsp; If anyone had the credentia=
ls to be arrogant or condescending, he did.&nbsp; He knew more about these =
cars than most of us collectively ever will.&nbsp; Yet he was always kind a=
nd sincere.&nbsp; Some of you may remember the individual a few years ago w=
ho was trying to restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:=
&nbsp; Randall was consistently patient and helpful while I am sure some of=
 us rolled our eyes.</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv4179133491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:New serif;=
"> &nbsp;</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv4179133491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:New serif;=
">Maybe people are trying to assume Randall=E2=80=99s mantle as the TR guru=
.&nbsp; Well, it isn=E2=80=99t going to happen, people.</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv4179133491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:New serif;=
"> &nbsp;</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv4179133491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:New serif;=
">Please let me be clear =E2=80=93 this list has always seemed to me a frie=
ndly and intimate place (with just a few exceptions).&nbsp; I have seen les=
s traffic recently and I sincerely hope it continues for as long as we work=
 on our beloved cars.&nbsp; Mark does a great job and if I haven=E2=80=99t =
thanked him enough, I apologize.&nbsp; Mark =E2=80=93 remind us again how t=
o contribute.</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv4179133491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:New serif;=
"> &nbsp;</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv4179133491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:New serif;=
">Andrew Uprichard</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv4179133491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:New serif;=
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Jonmac,

Thank you for this very nice, very touching tribute and deserved honour. As=
 a "Marquess" I believe Randall would have been considered to be a Nobleman=
, a man who consistently demonstrated honourable behaviour and leadership, =
among other excellent attributes. This was indeed Randall, a good and decen=
t man, always gracious, honorable and supportive. Randall freely shared his=
 knowledge, insight and enthusiasm for all things Triumph in a way that nev=
er left anyone involved with Triumph's feeling subtly disparaged, or looked=
 down on for their lack of knowledge or experience. Especially when one of =
us is confused by some mysterious Triumph ailment, often related to the dub=
ious quality of Lucas devices and methodology.

I truly and sadly miss Randall's emails and insight, his kindness and his u=
nending thoughtful explanations. I feel like something is missing from our =
Triumph community, a true a one of a kind, who cannot be replaced.

>From Randall's obituary: "Close family and friends of Mr. Randall C. Young =
will gather in the Vienna Public Cemetery, (Vienna Missouri) near the grave=
s of his parents, for his interment at 10:30 a.m., on Tuesday, August 18, 2=
020 by the Birmingham-Martin Funeral Home in Vienna."

Randall's obituary, including the option of lighting a candle in his memory=
 and leaving a message for his family is here: https://www.birminghammartin=
funeralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young

I miss him.

Randall Reihing
Whitehouse, Ohio
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oung, and departed this life at 111 p.m., on Thursday, July 16, 2020, in La=
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g
www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com

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From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> on behalf of Michael Marr =
<[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 7:13 PM
To: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one

What a nice gesture, John.

Mike

Michael Marr

Mobile:  630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 12, 2020, at 16:03, John Macartney <[email-masked]<mai=
lto:[email-masked]>> wrote:

I too greatly miss Randall=92s fascinating and proven techniques on old Tri=
umph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who populate the email list=
s run by Mark realise there are about five remaining former Standard Triump=
h employees who are merely =93watchers=94 on the lists and never make contr=
ibutions of their own because their memories of how and why things were don=
e the way they were when the cars were new, are now seriously jaded with th=
e passage of time. I have no hesitation including myself in that group for =
the simple fact that my own memory is seriously letting me down. It will co=
ntinue to do so through the onset of vascular dementia.

However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of technique=
s and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars running and a=
s =93Coventrians=94 we thought we should accord him some form of honourable=
 title that had a particular Standard Triumph flavour.

Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his new =
and very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He accepte=
d and sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of thanks.

Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import of t=
he =91title=92 so I=92ll explain. When the Standard Motor Company moved to =
its site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only building which could house =
the myriad non production issues was a former three storey house that was c=
overed in Virginia Creeper that everyone mistakenly called ivy.

For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where one wa=
s likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in the 1=
960s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn=92t answer, the =
reply was usually on the lines of =93that=92s a rum one, our kid. Best go t=
o Ivy Cottage for yer answer.=94

Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different admin =
functions but =91best go to Ivy Cottage=92 was the lingua Franca within the=
 company to get your issue sorted out somewhere else.

So you see, Randall=92s endless responses to what must have seemed to him t=
o be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in the best com=
pany tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.

I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that so m=
any listers sought and there=92s no doubt in my mind that our decision as f=
ormer employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just and in no wa=
y misplaced.

I miss his contributions already even though I=92ve been Triumph and fFergu=
son tractor-less for nearly two decades. I=92ll give google images a thorou=
gh caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can see where the Marqu=
ess had his official company seat. When I find what I want, I=92ll post the=
 link for you to do a click through and see for yourselves.

Jonmac

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
Lord Uxbridge:  =93By God, Sir - I=92ve lost my leg=94
Duke of Wellington: =93By God, Sir - so you have!=94

On 12 Aug 2020, at 14:57, andrew uprichard <[email-masked]<mailto=
:[email-masked]>> wrote:

Every morning I browse various TR websites and chat pages.  One trend I hav=
e noticed is various individuals who like to show how much they supposedly =
know by demeaning or ridiculing those of us who maybe don=92t know everythi=
ng there is to know.  Goodness knows how many dumb questions I have asked o=
ver the years.

It made me think (again) about Randall.  If anyone had the credentials to b=
e arrogant or condescending, he did.  He knew more about these cars than mo=
st of us collectively ever will.  Yet he was always kind and sincere.  Some=
 of you may remember the individual a few years ago who was trying to resto=
re a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:  Randall was consiste=
ntly patient and helpful while I am sure some of us rolled our eyes.

Maybe people are trying to assume Randall=92s mantle as the TR guru.  Well,=
 it isn=92t going to happen, people.

Please let me be clear =96 this list has always seemed to me a friendly and=
 intimate place (with just a few exceptions).  I have seen less traffic rec=
ently and I sincerely hope it continues for as long as we work on our belov=
ed cars.  Mark does a great job and if I haven=92t thanked him enough, I ap=
ologize.  Mark =96 remind us again how to contribute.

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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Jonmac,</div>
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Thank you for this very nice, very touching tribute and deserved honour. As=
 a &quot;Marquess&quot; I believe Randall would have been considered to be =
a Nobleman, a man who consistently demonstrated honourable behaviour and le=
adership, among other excellent attributes.
 This was indeed Randall, a good and decent man, always gracious, honorable=
 and supportive. Randall freely shared his knowledge, insight and enthusias=
m for all things Triumph in a way that never left anyone involved with Triu=
mph's feeling subtly disparaged,
 or looked down on for their lack of knowledge or experience. Especially wh=
en one of us is confused by some mysterious Triumph ailment, often related =
to the dubious quality of Lucas devices and methodology.&nbsp;</div>
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I truly and sadly miss Randall's emails and insight, his kindness and his u=
nending thoughtful explanations. I feel like something is missing from our =
Triumph community, a true
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c Cemetery, (Vienna Missouri) near the graves of his parents, for his inter=
ment at 10:30 a.m., on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 by the Birmingham-Martin Fu=
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I miss him.</div>
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Randall Reihing</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 12, 2020 7:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Macartney &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
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<div dir=3D"auto">What a nice gesture, John.
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<div>Mobile: &nbsp;630-202-0065</div>
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On Aug 12, 2020, at 16:03, John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:John.Macart=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I too greatly miss Randall=92s fascinating and proven tech=
niques on old Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who popula=
te the email lists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining forme=
r Standard Triumph employees who are
 merely =93watchers=94 on the lists and never make contributions of their o=
wn because their memories of how and why things were done the way they were=
 when the cars were new, are now seriously jaded with the passage of time. =
I have no hesitation including myself
 in that group for the simple fact that my own memory is seriously letting =
me down. It will continue to do so through the onset of vascular dementia.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of tech=
niques and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars running =
and as =93Coventrians=94 we thought we should accord him some form of honou=
rable title that had a particular Standard
 Triumph flavour.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his=
 new and very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He ac=
cepted and sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of thanks=
.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import=
 of the =91title=92 so I=92ll explain. When the Standard Motor Company move=
d to its site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only building which could h=
ouse the myriad non production issues
 was a former three storey house that was covered in Virginia Creeper that =
everyone mistakenly called ivy.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where o=
ne was likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in =
the 1960s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn=92t answer,=
 the reply was usually on the lines
 of =93that=92s a rum one, our kid. Best go to Ivy Cottage for yer answer.=
=94&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different a=
dmin functions but =91best go to Ivy Cottage=92 was the lingua Franca withi=
n the company to get your issue sorted out somewhere else.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So you see, Randall=92s endless responses to what must have seemed to =
him to be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in the bes=
t company tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that=
 so many listers sought and there=92s no doubt in my mind that our decision=
 as former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just and in =
no way misplaced.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I miss his contributions already even though I=92ve been Triumph and f=
Ferguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I=92ll give google images a t=
horough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can see where the =
Marquess had his official company seat.
 When I find what I want, I=92ll post the link for you to do a click throug=
h and see for yourselves.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jonmac<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"x_AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">At the Battle of Waterloo, 181=
5:
<div>Lord Uxbridge: &nbsp;=93By God, Sir - I=92ve lost my leg=94</div>
<div>Duke of Wellington: =93By God, Sir - so you have!=94</div>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&q=
uot;,serif">Every morning I browse various TR websites and chat pages.&nbsp=
; One trend I have noticed is various individuals who like to show how much=
 they supposedly know by demeaning or ridiculing those
 of us who maybe don=92t know everything there is to know.&nbsp; Goodness k=
nows how many dumb questions I have asked over the years.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&q=
uot;,serif">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&q=
uot;,serif">It made me think (again) about Randall.&nbsp; If anyone had the=
 credentials to be arrogant or condescending, he did.&nbsp; He knew more ab=
out these cars than most of us collectively ever will.&nbsp;
 Yet he was always kind and sincere.&nbsp; Some of you may remember the ind=
ividual a few years ago who was trying to restore a TR3 and asked the most =
fundamental of questions:&nbsp; Randall was consistently patient and helpfu=
l while I am sure some of us rolled our eyes.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&q=
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&q=
uot;,serif">Maybe people are trying to assume Randall=92s mantle as the TR =
guru.&nbsp; Well, it isn=92t going to happen, people.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&q=
uot;,serif">&nbsp;</span></p>
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uot;,serif">Please let me be clear =96 this list has always seemed to me a =
friendly and intimate place (with just a few exceptions).&nbsp; I have seen=
 less traffic recently and I sincerely hope it continues
 for as long as we work on our beloved cars.&nbsp; Mark does a great job an=
d if I haven=92t thanked him enough, I apologize.&nbsp; Mark =96 remind us =
again how to contribute.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&q=
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&q=
uot;,serif">Andrew Uprichard</span></p>
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From: Greg Lemon <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 07:53:52 -0500

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The tribute and honor from JonMac are very fitting.  Randall's
contributions epitomized what is best about the list and forums.

As far as the comments about being condescending and judgmental, I hope
that isn't ever me, I try not to be, but the tone intended and the tone
coveyed are not always the same,  if I miss the mark please let me know
(politely).

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 6:54 AM Reihing, Randall S. <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Jonmac,
>
> Thank you for this very nice, very touching tribute and deserved honour.
> As a "Marquess" I believe Randall would have been considered to be a
> Nobleman, a man who consistently demonstrated honourable behaviour and
> leadership, among other excellent attributes. This was indeed Randall, a
> good and decent man, always gracious, honorable and supportive. Randall
> freely shared his knowledge, insight and enthusiasm for all things Triump=
h
> in a way that never left anyone involved with Triumph's feeling subtly
> disparaged, or looked down on for their lack of knowledge or experience.
> Especially when one of us is confused by some mysterious Triumph ailment,
> often related to the dubious quality of Lucas devices and methodology.
>
> I truly and sadly miss Randall's emails and insight, his kindness and his
> unending thoughtful explanations. I feel like something is missing from o=
ur
> From Randall's obituary: "Close family and friends of Mr. Randall C.
> Young will gather in the Vienna Public Cemetery, (Vienna Missouri) near t=
he
> graves of his parents, for his interment at 10:30 a.m., on Tuesday, Augus=
t
> 18, 2020 by the Birmingham-Martin Funeral Home in Vienna."
>
> Randall's obituary, including the option of lighting a candle in his
> memory and leaving a message for his family is here:
> https://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young
>
> I miss him.
>
> Randall Reihing
> Whitehouse, Ohio
> <https://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young>
> Obituary | Randall Charles Young of Lakewood, California |
> Birmingham-Martin Funeral Home
> <https://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young>
> Randall Charles Young, of Lakewood, California, was born on August 3,
> 1955, at San Antonio, Texas, the son of John Earl and Nellie Lucille
> Henderson Young, and departed this life at 111 p.m., on Thursday, July 16=
,
> 2020, in Lakewood Regional Medical Center, Lakewood, California. He had
> been in failing
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Triumphs <[email-masked]> on behalf of Michael
> Marr <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 12, 2020 7:13 PM
> *To:* John Macartney <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than on=
e
> On Aug 12, 2020, at 16:03, John Macartney <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> I too greatly miss Randall=E2=80=99s fascinating and proven techniques on=
 old
> Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who populate the email
> lists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining former Standard
> Triumph employees who are merely =E2=80=9Cwatchers=E2=80=9D on the lists =
and never make
> contributions of their own because their memories of how and why things
> were done the way they were when the cars were new, are now seriously jad=
ed
> with the passage of time. I have no hesitation including myself in that
> group for the simple fact that my own memory is seriously letting me down=
.
> It will continue to do so through the onset of vascular dementia.
>
> However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of
> techniques and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars
> running and as =E2=80=9CCoventrians=E2=80=9D we thought we should accord =
him some form of
> honourable title that had a particular Standard Triumph flavour.
>
> Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his ne=
w
> and very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He
> accepted and sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of
> thanks.
>
> Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import of
> the =E2=80=98title=E2=80=99 so I=E2=80=99ll explain. When the Standard Mo=
tor Company moved to its
> site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only building which could house th=
e
> myriad non production issues was a former three storey house that was
> covered in Virginia Creeper that everyone mistakenly called ivy.
>
> For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where one
> was likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in t=
he
> 1960s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn=E2=80=99t ans=
wer, the
> reply was usually on the lines of =E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=99s a rum one, our =
kid. Best go to
> Ivy Cottage for yer answer.=E2=80=9D
>
> Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different admi=
n
> functions but =E2=80=98best go to Ivy Cottage=E2=80=99 was the lingua Fra=
nca within the
> So you see, Randall=E2=80=99s endless responses to what must have seemed =
to him to
> be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in the best
> company tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.
>
> I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that so
> many listers sought and there=E2=80=99s no doubt in my mind that our deci=
sion as
> former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just and in no
> way misplaced.
>
> I miss his contributions already even though I=E2=80=99ve been Triumph an=
d
> fFerguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I=E2=80=99ll give google i=
mages a
> thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can see where t=
he
> Marquess had his official company seat. When I find what I want, I=E2=80=
=99ll post
> the link for you to do a click through and see for yourselves.
>
> Jonmac
>
> On 12 Aug 2020, at 14:57, andrew uprichard <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> Every morning I browse various TR websites and chat pages.  One trend I
> have noticed is various individuals who like to show how much they
> supposedly know by demeaning or ridiculing those of us who maybe don=E2=
=80=99t know
> everything there is to know.  Goodness knows how many dumb questions I ha=
ve
> asked over the years.
>
>
>
> It made me think (again) about Randall.  If anyone had the credentials to
> be arrogant or condescending, he did.  He knew more about these cars than
> most of us collectively ever will.  Yet he was always kind and sincere.
> Some of you may remember the individual a few years ago who was trying to
> restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:  Randall was
> consistently patient and helpful while I am sure some of us rolled our ey=
es.
>
>
>
> Maybe people are trying to assume Randall=E2=80=99s mantle as the TR guru=
.  Well,
> it isn=E2=80=99t going to happen, people.
>
>
>
> Please let me be clear =E2=80=93 this list has always seemed to me a frie=
ndly and
> intimate place (with just a few exceptions).  I have seen less traffic
> recently and I sincerely hope it continues for as long as we work on our
> beloved cars.  Mark does a great job and if I haven=E2=80=99t thanked him=
 enough, I
> apologize.  Mark =E2=80=93 remind us again how to contribute.
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
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<div dir=3D"auto">The tribute and honor from JonMac are very fitting.=C2=A0=
 Randall&#39;s contributions epitomized what is best about the list and for=
ums.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">As far as the=
 comments about being condescending and judgmental, I hope that isn&#39;t e=
ver me, I try not to be, but the tone intended and the tone coveyed are not=
 always the same,=C2=A0 if I miss the mark please let me know (politely).</=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon</div><div dir=
=3D"auto">TR250</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 6:54 AM Reihing, Randall S. &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Jonmac,</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Thank you for this very nice, very touching tribute and deserved honour. As=
 a &quot;Marquess&quot; I believe Randall would have been considered to be =
a Nobleman, a man who consistently demonstrated honourable behaviour and le=
adership, among other excellent attributes.
 This was indeed Randall, a good and decent man, always gracious, honorable=
 and supportive. Randall freely shared his knowledge, insight and enthusias=
m for all things Triumph in a way that never left anyone involved with Triu=
mph&#39;s feeling subtly disparaged,
 or looked down on for their lack of knowledge or experience. Especially wh=
en one of us is confused by some mysterious Triumph ailment, often related =
to the dubious quality of Lucas devices and methodology.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
I truly and sadly miss Randall&#39;s emails and insight, his kindness and h=
is unending thoughtful explanations. I feel like something is missing from =
our Triumph community, a true
<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;background-co=
lor:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important">
a one of a kind, who cannot be replaced.</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255=
,255);display:inline!important"><font face=3D"Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sa=
ns-serif">From Randall&#39;s obituary: &quot;</font></span><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;font-size:15.399999618530273px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)=
;display:inline!important">Close
 family and friends of Mr. Randall C. Young will gather in the Vienna Publi=
c Cemetery, (Vienna Missouri) near the graves of his parents, for his inter=
ment at 10:30 a.m., on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 by the Birmingham-Martin Fu=
neral Home in Vienna.&quot;</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Randall&#39;s obituary, including the option of lighting a candle in his me=
mory and leaving a message for his family is here:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://=
www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young" id=3D"m_475364=
5923311575133LPlnkOWALinkPreview_0" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">ht=
tps://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young</a></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
I miss him.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Randall Reihing</div>
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;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Whitehouse, Ohio</div>
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cnRpbmZ1bmVyYWxob21lcy5jb20vb2JpdHVhcnkvcmFuZGFsbC15b3VuZw.." style=3D"widt=
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inghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer"><img id=3D"m_4753645923311575133LPThumbnailImageId869797" a=
lt=3D"" height=3D"160" style=3D"display:block" width=3D"160" src=3D"https:/=
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uot;,Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif;margin-bottom:12px">
<a id=3D"m_4753645923311575133LPUrlAnchor869797" href=3D"https://www.birmin=
ghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young" style=3D"text-decoration=
:none;color:var(--themePrimary)" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Obitu=
ary | Randall Charles Young of Lakewood, California | Birmingham-Martin Fun=
eral
 Home</a></div>
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x;max-height:100px;color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,&q=
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om:12px;margin-right:8px;overflow:hidden">
Randall Charles Young, of Lakewood, California, was born on August 3, 1955,=
 at San Antonio, Texas, the son of John Earl and Nellie Lucille Henderson Y=
oung, and departed this life at 111 p.m., on Thursday, July 16, 2020, in La=
kewood Regional Medical Center,
 Lakewood, California. He had been in failing</div>
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<a href=3D"http://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com" target=3D"_blank" r=
el=3D"noreferrer">www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com</a></div>
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<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id=3D"m_4753645923311575133divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Ca=
libri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> =
Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf=
 of Michael Marr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 12, 2020 7:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
k" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@=
autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
t</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than=
 one</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
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<div dir=3D"auto">What a nice gesture, John.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Mike<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"m_4753645923311575133x_AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Michael M=
arr<br>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Mobile: =C2=A0630-202-0065</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sent from my iPad</div>
</div>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
On Aug 12, 2020, at 16:03, John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:John.Macart=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">John.Macartney@ukpi=
ps.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">I too greatly miss Randall=E2=80=99s fascinating and prove=
n techniques on old Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who =
populate the email lists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining=
 former Standard Triumph employees who are
 merely =E2=80=9Cwatchers=E2=80=9D on the lists and never make contribution=
s of their own because their memories of how and why things were done the w=
ay they were when the cars were new, are now seriously jaded with the passa=
ge of time. I have no hesitation including myself
 in that group for the simple fact that my own memory is seriously letting =
me down. It will continue to do so through the onset of vascular dementia.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of tech=
niques and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars running =
and as =E2=80=9CCoventrians=E2=80=9D we thought we should accord him some f=
orm of honourable title that had a particular Standard
 Triumph flavour.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his=
 new and very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He ac=
cepted and sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of thanks=
.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import=
 of the =E2=80=98title=E2=80=99 so I=E2=80=99ll explain. When the Standard =
Motor Company moved to its site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only buil=
ding which could house the myriad non production issues
 was a former three storey house that was covered in Virginia Creeper that =
everyone mistakenly called ivy.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where o=
ne was likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in =
the 1960s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn=E2=80=99t a=
nswer, the reply was usually on the lines
 of =E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=99s a rum one, our kid. Best go to Ivy Cottage for =
yer answer.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different a=
dmin functions but =E2=80=98best go to Ivy Cottage=E2=80=99 was the lingua =
Franca within the company to get your issue sorted out somewhere else.=C2=
=A0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So you see, Randall=E2=80=99s endless responses to what must have seem=
ed to him to be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in t=
he best company tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that=
 so many listers sought and there=E2=80=99s no doubt in my mind that our de=
cision as former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just a=
nd in no way misplaced.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I miss his contributions already even though I=E2=80=99ve been Triumph=
 and fFerguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I=E2=80=99ll give googl=
e images a thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can se=
e where the Marquess had his official company seat.
 When I find what I want, I=E2=80=99ll post the link for you to do a click =
through and see for yourselves.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jonmac<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"m_4753645923311575133x_AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">At the Ba=
ttle of Waterloo, 1815:
<div>Lord Uxbridge: =C2=A0=E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=
=E2=80=9D</div>
<div>Duke of Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - so you have!=E2=80=9D</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
On 12 Aug 2020, at 14:57, andrew uprichard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:auprichard=
@uprichard.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
et</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">

<div>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Every morn=
ing I browse various TR websites and chat pages.=C2=A0 One trend I have not=
iced is various individuals who like to show how much they supposedly know =
by demeaning or ridiculing those
 of us who maybe don=E2=80=99t know everything there is to know.=C2=A0 Good=
ness knows how many dumb questions I have asked over the years.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">=C2=A0</sp=
an></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">It made me=
 think (again) about Randall.=C2=A0 If anyone had the credentials to be arr=
ogant or condescending, he did.=C2=A0 He knew more about these cars than mo=
st of us collectively ever will.=C2=A0
 Yet he was always kind and sincere.=C2=A0 Some of you may remember the ind=
ividual a few years ago who was trying to restore a TR3 and asked the most =
fundamental of questions:=C2=A0 Randall was consistently patient and helpfu=
l while I am sure some of us rolled our eyes.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">=C2=A0</sp=
an></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Maybe peop=
le are trying to assume Randall=E2=80=99s mantle as the TR guru.=C2=A0 Well=
, it isn=E2=80=99t going to happen, people.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">=C2=A0</sp=
an></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Please let=
 me be clear =E2=80=93 this list has always seemed to me a friendly and int=
imate place (with just a few exceptions).=C2=A0 I have seen less traffic re=
cently and I sincerely hope it continues
 for as long as we work on our beloved cars.=C2=A0 Mark does a great job an=
d if I haven=E2=80=99t thanked him enough, I apologize.=C2=A0 Mark =E2=80=
=93 remind us again how to contribute.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">=C2=A0</sp=
an></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Andrew Upr=
ichard</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Jackson, M=
ichigan</span></p>
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Thanks for this meaningful response John. As always, you have covered =
this topic in not only a meaningful manner, but also a heart-warming =
one.

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Cheers

Keith

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From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: August 12, 2020 5:02 PM
To: andrew uprichard <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one

=20

I too greatly miss Randall=E2=80=99s fascinating and proven techniques =
on old Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who populate =
the email lists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining =
former Standard Triumph employees who are merely =
=E2=80=9Cwatchers=E2=80=9D on the lists and never make contributions of =
their own because their memories of how and why things were done the way =
they were when the cars were new, are now seriously jaded with the =
passage of time. I have no hesitation including myself in that group for =
the simple fact that my own memory is seriously letting me down. It will =
continue to do so through the onset of vascular dementia.

=20

However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of =
techniques and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars =
running and as =E2=80=9CCoventrians=E2=80=9D we thought we should accord =
him some form of honourable title that had a particular Standard Triumph =
flavour.=20

=20

Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his =
new and very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He =
accepted and sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of =
thanks.=20

=20

Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import =
of the =E2=80=98title=E2=80=99 so I=E2=80=99ll explain. When the =
Standard Motor Company moved to its site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, =
the only building which could house the myriad non production issues was =
a former three storey house that was covered in Virginia Creeper that =
everyone mistakenly called ivy.=20

=20

For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where one =
was likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in =
the 1960s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she =
couldn=E2=80=99t answer, the reply was usually on the lines of =
=E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=99s a rum one, our kid. Best go to Ivy Cottage for =
yer answer.=E2=80=9D=20

=20

Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different =
admin functions but =E2=80=98best go to Ivy Cottage=E2=80=99 was the =
lingua Franca within the company to get your issue sorted out somewhere =
else.=20

=20

So you see, Randall=E2=80=99s endless responses to what must have seemed =
to him to be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in =
the best company tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.

=20

I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that =
so many listers sought and there=E2=80=99s no doubt in my mind that our =
decision as former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely =
just and in no way misplaced.=20

=20

I miss his contributions already even though I=E2=80=99ve been Triumph =
and fFerguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I=E2=80=99ll give =
google images a thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of =
you can see where the Marquess had his official company seat. When I =
find what I want, I=E2=80=99ll post the link for you to do a click =
through and see for yourselves.

=20

Jonmac

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks for this meaningful response =
John. As always, you have covered this topic in not only a meaningful =
manner, but also a heart-warming one.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Keith<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> John Macartney =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> August 12, 2020 =
5:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> andrew uprichard =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Missing Randall =
Young in more ways than one<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I too =
greatly miss Randall=E2=80=99s fascinating and proven techniques on old =
Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who populate the =
email lists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining former =
Standard Triumph employees who are merely =E2=80=9Cwatchers=E2=80=9D on =
the lists and never make contributions of their own because their =
memories of how and why things were done the way they were when the cars =
were new, are now seriously jaded with the passage of time. I have no =
hesitation including myself in that group for the simple fact that my =
own memory is seriously letting me down. It will continue to do so =
through the onset of vascular dementia.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive =
knowledge of techniques and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to =
keep the cars running and as =E2=80=9CCoventrians=E2=80=9D we thought we =
should accord him some form of honourable title that had a particular =
Standard Triumph flavour.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me =
to inform him his new and very unofficial title which was The Marquess =
of Ivy Cottage. He accepted and sent us (through me) a most modest and =
touching letter of thanks.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the =
origin or import of the =E2=80=98title=E2=80=99 so I=E2=80=99ll explain. =
When the Standard Motor Company moved to its site at Canley, a Coventry =
suburb, the only building which could house the myriad non production =
issues was a former three storey house that was covered in Virginia =
Creeper that everyone mistakenly called =
ivy.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the =
company where one was likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. =
Even in my day in the 1960s, if you asked a colleague a question he or =
she couldn=E2=80=99t answer, the reply was usually on the lines of =
=E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=99s a rum one, our kid. Best go to Ivy Cottage for =
yer answer.=E2=80=9D&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through =
many different admin functions but =E2=80=98best go to Ivy =
Cottage=E2=80=99 was the lingua Franca within the company to get your =
issue sorted out somewhere else.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So you see, Randall=E2=80=99s endless responses to =
what must have seemed to him to be tedious and repetitive in the =
extreme, were dealt with in the best company tradition and with =
appropriate nomenclature.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that so =
many listers sought and there=E2=80=99s no doubt in my mind that our =
decision as former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely =
just and in no way misplaced.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
miss his contributions already even though I=E2=80=99ve been Triumph and =
fFerguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I=E2=80=99ll give google =
images a thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can =
see where the Marquess had his official company seat. When I find what I =
want, I=E2=80=99ll post the link for you to do a click through and see =
for yourselves.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Jonmac<o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal>At the Battle of Waterloo, =
1815:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Lord Uxbridge: =
&nbsp;=E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - I=E2=80=99ve lost my =
leg=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Duke of =
Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - so you =
have!=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
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