Subject: Re: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help

From: John Innis <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:41:49 -0500

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THis is for an MGB, but I think they use the same sender.  THere is a chart
and instructions on how to test.

http://diary-of-mgb.blogspot.com/2011/03/temperature-sensor.html

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 11:32 AM Sujit Roy <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I'm going to try and figure out if my Stag is running hot. The gauge
> always reads high
>
> I found a note on another forum on how to test the voltage regulator, and
> another forum how to calibrate the gauge.
>
> I'm trying to figure out how to test the Thermal Transmitter Temperature
> Sender. Does anyone have any data on how the resistance changes with
> temperature?
>
> Since most Triumph around the 70's used Smith gauges, I'm assuming the
> data for the  Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender would be the same.
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
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> Cupertino, California
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>THis is for an MGB, but I think they use the same sen=
der.=C2=A0 THere is a chart and instructions on how to test.</div><div><br>=
</div><div><a href=3D"http://diary-of-mgb.blogspot.com/2011/03/temperature-=
sensor.html">http://diary-of-mgb.blogspot.com/2011/03/temperature-sensor.ht=
ml</a></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 11:32 AM Sujit Roy &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left=
:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;m goin=
g=C2=A0to try and figure out if my Stag is running hot. The gauge always re=
ads high=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>I found a note on another forum on how to=
 test the voltage=C2=A0regulator, and another=C2=A0forum how to calibrate t=
he=C2=A0gauge.</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m trying to figure out how to=
 test the=C2=A0Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender. Does anyone have any=
 data on how the resistance=C2=A0changes with temperature?</div><div><br></=
div><div>Since=C2=A0most Triumph around the 70&#39;s used Smith gauges, I&#=
39;m assuming the data for the=C2=A0

Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender would be the same.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Regards, Sujit<br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Sujit Roy<br>Cupertino, California</div><div><br>=
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From: Sujit Roy <[email-masked]>
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Thanks, I'll check it out.

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 11:42 AM John Innis <[email-masked]> wrote:

> THis is for an MGB, but I think they use the same sender.  THere is a
> chart and instructions on how to test.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks, I&#39;ll check it out.=C2=A0<br></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 14, 20=
20 at 11:42 AM John Innis &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">jdinnis@=
gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>THis is for an MGB, but I think they use t=
he same sender.=C2=A0 THere is a chart and instructions on how to test.</di=
v><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://diary-of-mgb.blogspot.com/2011/03/t=
emperature-sensor.html" target=3D"_blank">http://diary-of-mgb.blogspot.com/=
2011/03/temperature-sensor.html</a></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 11:32 AM S=
ujit Roy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tri=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);=
padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;m going=C2=A0to try and figure out=
 if my Stag is running hot. The gauge always reads high=C2=A0<div><br></div=
><div>I found a note on another forum on how to test the voltage=C2=A0regul=
ator, and another=C2=A0forum how to calibrate the=C2=A0gauge.</div><div><br=
></div><div>I&#39;m trying to figure out how to test the=C2=A0Thermal Trans=
mitter Temperature Sender. Does anyone have any data on how the resistance=
=C2=A0changes with temperature?</div><div><br></div><div>Since=C2=A0most Tr=
iumph around the 70&#39;s used Smith gauges, I&#39;m assuming the data for =
the=C2=A0

Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender would be the same.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Regards, Sujit<br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Sujit Roy<br>Cupertino, California</div><div><br>=
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 19:15:47 +0000 (UTC)

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 Here are some data for the TR8.=C2=A0 This might be close enough for the s=
tag:
Temp C=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Temp F=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Orig ohms=C2=A0=C2=A0 GTR=
110 ohms
50=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 122=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 332=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 290
55=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 131=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 275=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 242
60=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 140=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 227=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 197
65=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 149=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 193=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 169
70=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 158=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 158=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 142
75=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 167=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 134=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 120
80=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 176=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 114=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 102
85=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 185=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 99=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 91
90=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 194=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 85=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 77
95=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 203=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 74=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 65
100=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 212=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 60=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 55
105=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 221=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 51=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 48
110=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 230=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 44=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 41
115=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 239=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 37=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 37
120=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 248=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 32=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 31
125=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 257=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 28=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 28
130=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 266=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 24=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 25
135=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 275=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 21=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 22

If you have a source of resistors in this value range you can connect them =
in lieu of the sensor and check the reading to see if it is close.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <[email-masked]>
To: Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:31 am
Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help

I'm going=C2=A0to try and figure out if my Stag is running hot. The gauge a=
lways reads high=C2=A0
I found a note on another forum on how to test the voltage=C2=A0regulator, =
and another=C2=A0forum how to calibrate the=C2=A0gauge.
I'm trying to figure out how to test the=C2=A0Thermal Transmitter Temperatu=
re Sender. Does anyone have any data on how the resistance=C2=A0changes wit=
h temperature?
Since=C2=A0most Triumph around the 70's used Smith gauges, I'm assuming the=
 data for the=C2=A0Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender would be the same=
.
Regards, Sujit

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<div> <font size="3">Here are some data for the TR8.&nbsp; This might be close enough for the stag:<br>
</font></div>

<div><font size="3">Temp C&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Temp F&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Orig ohms&nbsp;&nbsp; GTR110 ohms<br>
50&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 122&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 332&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 290<br>
55&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 131&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 275&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 242<br>
60&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 140&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 227&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 197<br>
65&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 149&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 193&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 169<br>
70&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 158&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 158&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 142<br>
75&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 167&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 134&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 120<br>
80&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 176&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 114&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 102<br>
85&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 185&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 99&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 91<br>
90&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 194&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 85&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 77<br>
95&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 203&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 74&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 65<br>
100&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 212&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 60&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 55<br>
105&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 221&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 51&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48<br>
110&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 230&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 44&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 41<br>
115&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 239&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 37<br>
120&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 248&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 32&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 31<br>
125&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 257&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 28&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 28<br>
130&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 266&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 25<br>
135&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 275&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 21&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 22<br>
</font></div>

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<div><font size="3">If you have a source of resistors in this value range you can connect them in lieu of the sensor and check the reading to see if it is close.</font><br>
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<div style="clear:both"><font size="4">Dave </font><br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
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Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I'm going&nbsp;to try and figure out if my Stag is running hot. The gauge always reads high&nbsp;
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<div>I found a note on another forum on how to test the voltage&nbsp;regulator, and another&nbsp;forum how to calibrate the&nbsp;gauge.</div>

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<div>I'm trying to figure out how to test the&nbsp;Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender. Does anyone have any data on how the resistance&nbsp;changes with temperature?</div>

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<div>Since&nbsp;most Triumph around the 70's used Smith gauges, I'm assuming the data for the&nbsp;

Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender would be the same.</div>

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<div>Regards, Sujit<br clear="all">
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Follow up question. Does anyone have data showing what the voltage at the
gauge should be  to resistance values.

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 12:15 PM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Here are some data for the TR8.  This might be close enough for the stag:
> Temp C    Temp F    Orig ohms   GTR110 ohms
> 50        122       332         290
> 55        131       275         242
> 60        140       227         197
> 65        149       193         169
> 70        158       158         142
> 75        167       134         120
> 80        176       114         102
> 85        185       99          91
> 90        194       85          77
> 95        203       74          65
> 100       212       60          55
> 105       221       51          48
> 110       230       44          41
> 115       239       37          37
> 120       248       32          31
> 125       257       28          28
> 130       266       24          25
> 135       275       21          22
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> If you have a source of resistors in this value range you can connect them
> Dave
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 That could be problematic.=C2=A0 If the Stag gauges work like those in the=
 TR4-6 there is a voltage stabilizer that maintains a constant average 10 v=
olts on the gauge.=C2=A0 But the original stabilizer is an early form of a =
PWM regulator.=C2=A0 The contacts will alternately apply full battery volts=
 and zero on a proportional basis such that the average is 10 volts.=C2=A0 =
And the switching frequency is about one hertz.=C2=A0 The gauges react slow=
ly enough that they average it out just fine but if you put a voltmeter on =
it you will see the voltage switching on and off fast enough that your mete=
r won't have time to settle out and give a meaningful reading.=C2=A0=20

There are after-market stabilizers available that use a solid-state IC volt=
age regulator providing a constant 10 volts.=C2=A0 If you have one of those=
 you could get a reliable reading.=C2=A0 But that is if you have one of tho=
se.
All that said, if I had a resistance value for the gauge I could calculate =
what you would get if an IC stabilizer was installed.
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Follow up question. Does anyone have data showing what the voltage at the g=
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<div> <font size="3">That could be problematic.&nbsp; If the Stag gauges work like those in the TR4-6 there is a voltage stabilizer that maintains a constant average 10 volts on the gauge.&nbsp; But the original stabilizer is an early form of a PWM regulator.&nbsp; The contacts will alternately apply full battery volts and zero on a proportional basis such that the average is 10 volts.&nbsp; And the switching frequency is about one hertz.&nbsp; The gauges react slowly enough that they average it out just fine but if you put a voltmeter on it you will see the voltage switching on and off fast enough that your meter won't have time to settle out and give a meaningful reading.&nbsp; <br>
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<div><font size="3">There are after-market stabilizers available that use a solid-state IC voltage regulator providing a constant 10 volts.&nbsp; If you have one of those you could get a reliable reading.&nbsp; But that is if you have one of those.</font></div>

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<div><font size="3">All that said, if I had a resistance value for the gauge I could calculate what you would get if an IC stabilizer was installed.</font><br>
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<div>Follow up question. Does anyone have data showing what the voltage at the gauge should be&nbsp; to resistance values.</div>
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<div> <font size="3">Here are some data for the TR8.&nbsp; This might be close enough for the stag:<br clear="none">
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<div><font size="3">Temp C&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Temp F&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Orig ohms&nbsp;&nbsp; GTR110 ohms<br clear="none">
50&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 122&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 332&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 290<br clear="none">
55&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 131&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 275&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 242<br clear="none">
60&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 140&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 227&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 197<br clear="none">
65&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 149&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 193&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 169<br clear="none">
70&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 158&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 158&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 142<br clear="none">
75&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 167&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 134&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 120<br clear="none">
80&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 176&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 114&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 102<br clear="none">
85&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 185&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 99&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 91<br clear="none">
90&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 194&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 85&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 77<br clear="none">
95&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 203&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 74&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 65<br clear="none">
100&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 212&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 60&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 55<br clear="none">
105&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 221&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 51&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48<br clear="none">
110&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 230&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 44&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 41<br clear="none">
115&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 239&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 37<br clear="none">
120&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 248&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 32&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 31<br clear="none">
125&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 257&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 28&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 28<br clear="none">
130&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 266&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 25<br clear="none">
135&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 275&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 21&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 22<br clear="none">
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<div><font size="3">If you have a source of resistors in this value range you can connect them in lieu of the sensor and check the reading to see if it is close.</font><br clear="none">
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<div style="clear:both;"><font size="4">Dave </font><br clear="none">
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Thanks. I have spare parts and I plan to create a setup on a bench. I have
some documents on how to check the gauge and voltage stabilizer and noe
some resistance no. If my set up models that of my stag. I will have some
sanity.  My stag has a 3 speed BW35. Box.  At around 70 mph the engine
speed is close to 4k rpm. Did the tr7 use a bw35. If so are these numbers
similar

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> That could be problematic.  If the Stag gauges work like those in the
> TR4-6 there is a voltage stabilizer that maintains a constant average 10
> volts on the gauge.  But the original stabilizer is an early form of a PWM
> regulator.  The contacts will alternately apply full battery volts and zero
> on a proportional basis such that the average is 10 volts.  And the
> switching frequency is about one hertz.  The gauges react slowly enough
> that they average it out just fine but if you put a voltmeter on it you
> will see the voltage switching on and off fast enough that your meter won't
> have time to settle out and give a meaningful reading.
>
> There are after-market stabilizers available that use a solid-state IC
> voltage regulator providing a constant 10 volts.  If you have one of those
> you could get a reliable reading.  But that is if you have one of those.
>
> All that said, if I had a resistance value for the gauge I could calculate

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<div dir=3D"auto">Thanks. I have spare parts and I plan to create a setup o=
n a bench. I have some documents on how to check the gauge and voltage stab=
ilizer and noe some resistance no. If my set up models that of my stag. I w=
ill have some sanity.=C2=A0 My stag has a 3 speed BW35. Box.=C2=A0 At aroun=
d 70 mph the engine speed is close to 4k rpm. Did the tr7 use a bw35. If so=
 are these numbers similar</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 10:35 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<div> <font size=3D"3">That could be problematic.=C2=A0 If the Stag gauges =
work like those in the TR4-6 there is a voltage stabilizer that maintains a=
 constant average 10 volts on the gauge.=C2=A0 But the original stabilizer =
is an early form of a PWM regulator.=C2=A0 The contacts will alternately ap=
ply full battery volts and zero on a proportional basis such that the avera=
ge is 10 volts.=C2=A0 And the switching frequency is about one hertz.=C2=A0=
 The gauges react slowly enough that they average it out just fine but if y=
ou put a voltmeter on it you will see the voltage switching on and off fast=
 enough that your meter won&#39;t have time to settle out and give a meanin=
gful reading.=C2=A0 <br>
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</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">There are after-market stabilizers available that use=
 a solid-state IC voltage regulator providing a constant 10 volts.=C2=A0 If=
 you have one of those you could get a reliable reading.=C2=A0 But that is =
if you have one of those.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">All that said, if I had a resistance value for the ga=
uge I could calculate what you would get if an IC stabilizer was installed.=
</font><br>
</div>

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<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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nk" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
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<div>Follow up question. Does anyone have data showing what the voltage at =
the gauge should be=C2=A0 to resistance values.</div>
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nofollow noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
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<div> <font size=3D"3">Here are some data for the TR8.=C2=A0 This might be =
close enough for the stag:<br clear=3D"none">
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<div><font size=3D"3">Temp C=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Temp F=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ori=
g ohms=C2=A0=C2=A0 GTR110 ohms<br clear=3D"none">
50=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 122=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 332=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 290<br clear=
=3D"none">
55=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 131=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 275=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 242<br clear=
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60=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 140=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 227=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 197<br clear=
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65=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 149=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 193=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 169<br clear=
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70=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 158=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 158=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 142<br clear=
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75=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 167=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 134=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 120<br clear=
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80=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 176=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 114=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 102<br clear=
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85=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 185=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 99=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 91<br cl=
ear=3D"none">
90=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 194=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 85=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 77<br cl=
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95=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 203=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 74=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 65<br cl=
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We had a club member who put the BW35 automatic from a Triumph 2000 into =
a TR4. His readings were similar to yours.

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To: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
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Thanks. I have spare parts and I plan to create a setup on a bench. I =
have some documents on how to check the gauge and voltage stabilizer and =
noe some resistance no. If my set up models that of my stag. I will have =
some sanity.  My stag has a 3 speed BW35. Box.  At around 70 mph the =
engine speed is close to 4k rpm. Did the tr7 use a bw35. If so are these =
numbers similar

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That could be problematic.  If the Stag gauges work like those in the =
TR4-6 there is a voltage stabilizer that maintains a constant average 10 =
volts on the gauge.  But the original stabilizer is an early form of a =
PWM regulator.  The contacts will alternately apply full battery volts =
and zero on a proportional basis such that the average is 10 volts.  And =
the switching frequency is about one hertz.  The gauges react slowly =
enough that they average it out just fine but if you put a voltmeter on =
it you will see the voltage switching on and off fast enough that your =
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There are after-market stabilizers available that use a solid-state IC =
voltage regulator providing a constant 10 volts.  If you have one of =
those you could get a reliable reading.  But that is if you have one of =
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All that said, if I had a resistance value for the gauge I could =
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Follow up question. Does anyone have data showing what the voltage at =
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Here are some data for the TR8.  This might be close enough for the =
stag:

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I'm going to try and figure out if my Stag is running hot. The gauge =
always reads high =20

=20

I found a note on another forum on how to test the voltage regulator, =
and another forum how to calibrate the gauge.

=20

I'm trying to figure out how to test the Thermal Transmitter Temperature =
Sender. Does anyone have any data on how the resistance changes with =
temperature?

=20

Since most Triumph around the 70's used Smith gauges, I'm assuming the =
data for the  Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender would be the same.

=20

Regards, Sujit

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>We had a =
club member who put the BW35 automatic from a Triumph 2000 into a TR4. =
His readings were similar to yours.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sujit =
Roy<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 15, 2020 1:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
DAVID MASSEY &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Triumphs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Thermal =
Transmitter Temperature Sender help<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks. =
I have spare parts and I plan to create a setup on a bench. I have some =
documents on how to check the gauge and voltage stabilizer and noe some =
resistance no. If my set up models that of my stag. I will have some =
sanity.&nbsp; My stag has a 3 speed BW35. Box.&nbsp; At around 70 mph =
the engine speed is close to 4k rpm. Did the tr7 use a bw35. If so are =
these numbers similar<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 10:35 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Tha=
t could be problematic.&nbsp; If the Stag gauges work like those in the =
TR4-6 there is a voltage stabilizer that maintains a constant average 10 =
volts on the gauge.&nbsp; But the original stabilizer is an early form =
of a PWM regulator.&nbsp; The contacts will alternately apply full =
battery volts and zero on a proportional basis such that the average is =
10 volts.&nbsp; And the switching frequency is about one hertz.&nbsp; =
The gauges react slowly enough that they average it out just fine but if =
you put a voltmeter on it you will see the voltage switching on and off =
fast enough that your meter won't have time to settle out and give a =
meaningful reading.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
re are after-market stabilizers available that use a solid-state IC =
voltage regulator providing a constant 10 volts.&nbsp; If you have one =
of those you could get a reliable reading.&nbsp; But that is if you have =
one of those.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>All=
 that said, if I had a resistance value for the gauge I could calculate =
what you would get if an IC stabilizer was =
installed.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span><span =
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p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
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--Original Message-----<br>From: Sujit Roy &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: DAVID MASSEY =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Cc: Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Sat, Aug 15, =
2020 11:30 am<br>Subject: Re: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature =
Sender help<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
id=3D"m_4638235716154564889yiv4365019461"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Fol=
low up question. Does anyone have data showing what the voltage at the =
gauge should be&nbsp; to resistance =
values.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 12:15 PM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Her=
e are some data for the TR8.&nbsp; This might be close enough for the =
stag:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Tem=
p C&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Temp F&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Orig ohms&nbsp;&nbsp; =
GTR110 ohms<br>50&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
122&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
332&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
290<br>55&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
131&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
275&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
242<br>60&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
140&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
227&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
197<br>65&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
149&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
193&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
169<br>70&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
158&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
158&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
142<br>75&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
167&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
134&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
120<br>80&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
176&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
114&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
102<br>85&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
185&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
99&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
91<br>90&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
194&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
85&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
77<br>95&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
203&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
74&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
65<br>100&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
212&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
60&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
55<br>105&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
221&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
51&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
48<br>110&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
230&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
44&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
41<br>115&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
239&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
37<br>120&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
248&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
32&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
31<br>125&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
257&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
28&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
28<br>130&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
266&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
24&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
25<br>135&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
275&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
21&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
22<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>If =
you have a source of resistors in this value range you can connect them =
in lieu of the sensor and check the reading to see if it is =
close.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Fri, Aug 14, =
2020 11:31 am<br>Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender =
help<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
id=3D"m_4638235716154564889yiv4365019461m_-1604197066133898725yiv74131543=
17"><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I'm=
 going&nbsp;to try and figure out if my Stag is running hot. The gauge =
always reads high&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
found a note on another forum on how to test the voltage&nbsp;regulator, =
and another&nbsp;forum how to calibrate =
the&nbsp;gauge.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I'm=
 trying to figure out how to test the&nbsp;Thermal Transmitter =
Temperature Sender. Does anyone have any data on how the =
resistance&nbsp;changes with =
temperature?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Sin=
ce&nbsp;most Triumph around the 70's used Smith gauges, I'm assuming the =
data for the&nbsp; Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender would be the =
same.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Reg=
ards, Sujit<br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
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 OK.=C2=A0 I measured late model TR6 temp gauge and it reads 61 ohms.=C2=A0=
 If you have spare parts you can connect a wire directly from the battery t=
o one terminal on the gauge, run a wire from the other gauge terminal to th=
e sender on the engine.=C2=A0 With this setup you can measure the voltage a=
cross the gauge and/or the sender.=C2=A0 The voltage will be constant and r=
adiometric to the battery voltage.=C2=A0 The gauge reading will be irreleva=
nt since it is calibrated to a 10 volt supply.
Attached is a spreadsheet calculating the gauge and sender voltages for all=
 the sensor values in the table.=C2=A0 The battery voltage and gauge resist=
ance are variables so you can enter the actual battery voltage into the fie=
ld at the gauge and sensor voltages will be recalculated for that value of =
battery voltage and gauge resistance.=C2=A0=20

Hope this helps.
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From: Sujit Roy <[email-masked]>
To: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Cc: Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2020 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help

Thanks. I have spare parts and I plan to create a setup on a bench. I have =
some documents on how to check the gauge and voltage stabilizer and noe som=
e resistance no. If my set up models that of my stag. I will have some sani=
ty.=C2=A0 My stag has a 3 speed BW35. Box.=C2=A0 At around 70 mph the engin=
e speed is close to 4k rpm. Did the tr7 use a bw35. If so are these numbers=
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To: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Cc: Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2020 11:30 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help

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To: Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:31 am
Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help

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<div> <font size="3">OK.&nbsp; I measured late model TR6 temp gauge and it reads 61 ohms.&nbsp; If you have spare parts you can connect a wire directly from the battery to one terminal on the gauge, run a wire from the other gauge terminal to the sender on the engine.&nbsp; With this setup you can measure the voltage across the gauge and/or the sender.&nbsp; The voltage will be constant and radiometric to the battery voltage.&nbsp; The gauge reading will be irrelevant since it is calibrated to a 10 volt supply.</font></div>

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<div><font size="3">Attached is a spreadsheet calculating the gauge and sender voltages for all the sensor values in the table.&nbsp; The battery voltage and gauge resistance are variables so you can enter the actual battery voltage into the field at the gauge and sensor voltages will be recalculated for that value of battery voltage and gauge resistance.&nbsp; <br>
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<div><font size="3">Hope this helps.</font><br>
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<div>Thanks. I have spare parts and I plan to create a setup on a bench. I have some documents on how to check the gauge and voltage stabilizer and noe some resistance no. If my set up models that of my stag. I will have some sanity.&nbsp; My stag has a 3 speed BW35. Box.&nbsp; At around 70 mph the engine speed is close to 4k rpm. Did the tr7 use a bw35. If so are these numbers similar</div>
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<div> <font size="3">That could be problematic.&nbsp; If the Stag gauges work like those in the TR4-6 there is a voltage stabilizer that maintains a constant average 10 volts on the gauge.&nbsp; But the original stabilizer is an early form of a PWM regulator.&nbsp; The contacts will alternately apply full battery volts and zero on a proportional basis such that the average is 10 volts.&nbsp; And the switching frequency is about one hertz.&nbsp; The gauges react slowly enough that they average it out just fine but if you put a voltmeter on it you will see the voltage switching on and off fast enough that your meter won't have time to settle out and give a meaningful reading.&nbsp; <br clear="none">
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<div><font size="3">All that said, if I had a resistance value for the gauge I could calculate what you would get if an IC stabilizer was installed.</font><br clear="none">
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Hi David,
Thanks, Somehow I missed this email and  now I can't find my bloody thermal
transmitter temperature sender which I removed from Stag no.2 to use as a
bench setup.
I finally decided to buy a variable power supply with a current limiting
option. Up to this point I've been using 12 volt bricks which power small
appliances like phone etc.

I'll keep you updated on my findings.

Regards, Sujit

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 2:38 PM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote:

> OK.  I measured late model TR6 temp gauge and it reads 61 ohms.  If you
> have spare parts you can connect a wire directly from the battery to one
> terminal on the gauge, run a wire from the other gauge terminal to the
> sender on the engine.  With this setup you can measure the voltage across
> the gauge and/or the sender.  The voltage will be constant and radiometric
> to the battery voltage.  The gauge reading will be irrelevant since it is
> calibrated to a 10 volt supply.
>
> Attached is a spreadsheet calculating the gauge and sender voltages for
> all the sensor values in the table.  The battery voltage and gauge
> resistance are variables so you can enter the actual battery voltage into
> the field at the gauge and sensor voltages will be recalculated for that
> value of battery voltage and gauge resistance.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Dave
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi David,<div>Thanks, Somehow I missed this email and=C2=
=A0 now I can&#39;t find my bloody thermal transmitter temperature sender w=
hich I removed from Stag no.2 to use as a bench setup.=C2=A0</div><div>I fi=
nally decided to buy a variable power supply with a current limiting option=
. Up to this point I&#39;ve been using 12 volt bricks which power small app=
liances=C2=A0like phone etc.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ll keep y=
ou updated on my findings.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards, Sujit</div></d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 2:38 PM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave1massey=
@cs.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div> <font size=3D"3">OK.=C2=A0 I measured late model TR6 temp gauge and i=
t reads 61 ohms.=C2=A0 If you have spare parts you can connect a wire direc=
tly from the battery to one terminal on the gauge, run a wire from the othe=
r gauge terminal to the sender on the engine.=C2=A0 With this setup you can=
 measure the voltage across the gauge and/or the sender.=C2=A0 The voltage =
will be constant and radiometric to the battery voltage.=C2=A0 The gauge re=
ading will be irrelevant since it is calibrated to a 10 volt supply.</font>=
</div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Attached is a spreadsheet calculating the gauge and s=
ender voltages for all the sensor values in the table.=C2=A0 The battery vo=
ltage and gauge resistance are variables so you can enter the actual batter=
y voltage into the field at the gauge and sensor voltages will be recalcula=
ted for that value of battery voltage and gauge resistance.=C2=A0 <br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Hope this helps.</font><br>
</div>

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nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
To: DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
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<div>Thanks. I have spare parts and I plan to create a setup on a bench. I =
have some documents on how to check the gauge and voltage stabilizer and no=
e some resistance no. If my set up models that of my stag. I will have some=
 sanity.=C2=A0 My stag has a 3 speed BW35. Box.=C2=A0 At around 70 mph the =
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