Subject: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one

From: "andrew uprichard" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:57:27 -0400

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Every morning I browse various TR websites and chat pages.  One trend I have
noticed is various individuals who like to show how much they supposedly
know by demeaning or ridiculing those of us who maybe don't know everything
there is to know.  Goodness knows how many dumb questions I have asked over
the years.

It made me think (again) about Randall.  If anyone had the credentials to be
arrogant or condescending, he did.  He knew more about these cars than most
of us collectively ever will.  Yet he was always kind and sincere.  Some of
you may remember the individual a few years ago who was trying to restore a
TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:  Randall was consistently
patient and helpful while I am sure some of us rolled our eyes.

Maybe people are trying to assume Randall's mantle as the TR guru.  Well, it
isn't going to happen, people.

Please let me be clear - this list has always seemed to me a friendly and
intimate place (with just a few exceptions).  I have seen less traffic
recently and I sincerely hope it continues for as long as we work on our
beloved cars.  Mark does a great job and if I haven't thanked him enough, I
apologize.  Mark - remind us again how to contribute.

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Every morning I browse =
various TR websites and chat pages.&nbsp; One trend I have noticed is =
various individuals who like to show how much they supposedly know by =
demeaning or ridiculing those of us who maybe don&#8217;t know =
everything there is to know.&nbsp; Goodness knows how many dumb =
questions I have asked over the years.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>It made me think (again) =
about Randall.&nbsp; If anyone had the credentials to be arrogant or =
condescending, he did.&nbsp; He knew more about these cars than most of =
us collectively ever will.&nbsp; Yet he was always kind and =
sincere.&nbsp; Some of you may remember the individual a few years ago =
who was trying to restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of =
questions:&nbsp; Randall was consistently patient and helpful while I am =
sure some of us rolled our eyes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Maybe people are trying to =
assume Randall&#8217;s mantle as the TR guru.&nbsp; Well, it isn&#8217;t =
going to happen, people.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Please let me be clear =
&#8211; this list has always seemed to me a friendly and intimate place =
(with just a few exceptions).&nbsp; I have seen less traffic recently =
and I sincerely hope it continues for as long as we work on our beloved =
cars.&nbsp; Mark does a great job and if I haven&#8217;t thanked him =
enough, I apologize.&nbsp; Mark &#8211; remind us again how to =
contribute.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Andrew =
Uprichard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Jackson, =
Michigan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>
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From: bill beecher <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:26:56 -0500

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Thank you John for your kind thoughts, I am sure we all share them with you.=
 =20

BTW, who on this list besides yourself are former S-T employees?

All the best,
Bill

On Aug 13, 2020, at 4:50 PM, [email-masked] wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Thanks for this meaningful response John. As always, you have covered this t=
opic in not only a meaningful manner, but also a heart-warming one.
=20
Cheers
Keith
=20
From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: August 12, 2020 5:02 PM
To: andrew uprichard <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one
=20
I too greatly miss Randall=E2=80=99s fascinating and proven techniques on ol=
d Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who populate the email l=
ists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining former Standard Triu=
mph employees who are merely =E2=80=9Cwatchers=E2=80=9D on the lists and nev=
er make contributions of their own because their memories of how and why thi=
ngs were done the way they were when the cars were new, are now seriously ja=
ded with the passage of time. I have no hesitation including myself in that g=
roup for the simple fact that my own memory is seriously letting me down. It=
 will continue to do so through the onset of vascular dementia.
=20
However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of techniques=
 and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars running and as =E2=
=80=9CCoventrians=E2=80=9D we thought we should accord him some form of hono=
urable title that had a particular Standard Triumph flavour.=20
=20
Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his new a=
nd very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He accepted a=
nd sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of thanks.=20
=20
Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import of th=
e =E2=80=98title=E2=80=99 so I=E2=80=99ll explain. When the Standard Motor C=
ompany moved to its site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only building whi=
ch could house the myriad non production issues was a former three storey ho=
use that was covered in Virginia Creeper that everyone mistakenly called ivy=
.=20
=20
For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where one was=
 likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in the 196=
0s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn=E2=80=99t answer, t=
he reply was usually on the lines of =E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=99s a rum one, our k=
id. Best go to Ivy Cottage for yer answer.=E2=80=9D=20
=20
Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different admin f=
unctions but =E2=80=98best go to Ivy Cottage=E2=80=99 was the lingua Franca w=
ithin the company to get your issue sorted out somewhere else.=20
=20
So you see, Randall=E2=80=99s endless responses to what must have seemed to h=
im to be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in the best c=
ompany tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.
=20
I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that so ma=
ny listers sought and there=E2=80=99s no doubt in my mind that our decision a=
s former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just and in no w=
ay misplaced.=20
=20
I miss his contributions already even though I=E2=80=99ve been Triumph and f=
Ferguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I=E2=80=99ll give google image=
s a thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can see where t=
he Marquess had his official company seat. When I find what I want, I=E2=80=99=
ll post the link for you to do a click through and see for yourselves.
=20
Jonmac

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
Lord Uxbridge:  =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=E2=80=9D
Duke of Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - so you have!=E2=80=9D
=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you John for your ki=
nd thoughts, I am sure we all share them with you. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">BTW, who on this list besides yourself are fo=
rmer S-T employees?</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">All the=
 best,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bill</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Aug 13, 2020,=
 at 4:50 PM, [email-masked] wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks for this meaningf=
ul response John. As always, you have covered this topic in not only a meani=
ngful manner, but also a heart-warming one.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Che=
ers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-l=
anguage:EN-US">Keith<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D=
"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S"> John Macartney &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Aug=
ust 12, 2020 5:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> andrew uprichard &lt;auprichard@uprichard=
.net&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] M=
issing Randall Young in more ways than one<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I too gre=
atly miss Randall=E2=80=99s fascinating and proven techniques on old Triumph=
 ownership and maintenance. Very few people who populate the email lists run=
 by Mark realise there are about five remaining former Standard Triumph empl=
oyees who are merely =E2=80=9Cwatchers=E2=80=9D on the lists and never make c=
ontributions of their own because their memories of how and why things were d=
one the way they were when the cars were new, are now seriously jaded with t=
he passage of time. I have no hesitation including myself in that group for t=
he simple fact that my own memory is seriously letting me down. It will cont=
inue to do so through the onset of vascular dementia.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ho=
wever, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of techniques a=
nd options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars running and as =E2=
=80=9CCoventrians=E2=80=9D we thought we should accord him some form of hono=
urable title that had a particular Standard Triumph flavour.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to in=
form him his new and very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cot=
tage. He accepted and sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter=
 of thanks.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Now, many if not all of you, wi=
ll have no idea of the origin or import of the =E2=80=98title=E2=80=99 so I=E2=
=80=99ll explain. When the Standard Motor Company moved to its site at Canle=
y, a Coventry suburb, the only building which could house the myriad non pro=
duction issues was a former three storey house that was covered in Virginia C=
reeper that everyone mistakenly called ivy.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where one wa=
s likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in the 19=
60s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn=E2=80=99t answer, t=
he reply was usually on the lines of =E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=99s a rum one, our k=
id. Best go to Ivy Cottage for yer answer.=E2=80=9D&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many differen=
t admin functions but =E2=80=98best go to Ivy Cottage=E2=80=99 was the lingu=
a Franca within the company to get your issue sorted out somewhere else.&nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">So you see, Randall=E2=80=99s endless response=
s to what must have seemed to him to be tedious and repetitive in the extrem=
e, were dealt with in the best company tradition and with appropriate nomenc=
lature.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I know without any doubt that Randall *wa=
s* that essential backup that so many listers sought and there=E2=80=99s no d=
oubt in my mind that our decision as former employees to bestow that title o=
n him, was entirely just and in no way misplaced.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">I miss his contributions already even though I=E2=80=99ve been Triump=
h and fFerguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I=E2=80=99ll give googl=
e images a thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can see=
 where the Marquess had his official company seat. When I find what I want, I=
=E2=80=99ll post the link for you to do a click through and see for yourselv=
es.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Jonmac<o:p></o=
:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:<o:p></o:=
p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Lord Uxbridge: &nbsp;=E2=80=9CBy God, Sir -=
 I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">Duke of Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - so you have!=E2=80=9D<o:p>=
</o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.=
0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></blockquote></d=
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