Subject: [TR] what is going on?????

From: "dave" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 19:30:48 -0500

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We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).  Wasn't running or
driving, needed some work, battery was dead.

Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from
another car.

Set the jeep's battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try
it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving.

Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!!

Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the
electrical system.

The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the
negative, read -9.97

Reversed it and got 9.97.

Checked the good battery - no, the multimeter is not broken.

Checked the jeep's old battery again, same results.  Good battery - same
results (about 12.97)

What is going on????  how is this possible?  Yes, we are replacing the
battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must
have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible.

Can anyone explain this to me?

And yes, we are replacing the battery

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class=3DMsoNormal>We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep =
actually).&nbsp; Wasn&#8217;t running or driving, needed some work, =
battery was dead.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Today we =
finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from =
another car.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Set the jeep&#8217;s battery up on a charger a day or =
two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in =
getting it running and driving.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hooked up =
the positive first, then touching the negative caused a =
spark!!!!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Double checked that we had the ground to the engine =
and the positive to the electrical system.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The =
multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the =
negative, read -9.97<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Reversed it =
and got 9.97.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Checked the good battery &#8211; no, the multimeter is =
not broken.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Checked the jeep&#8217;s old battery again, same =
results.&nbsp; Good battery &#8211; same results (about =
12.97)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>What is going on????&nbsp; how is this possible?&nbsp; =
Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told me this story =
I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not =
possible.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Can anyone explain this to me?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>And yes, we =
are replacing the battery<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>
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From: Rye Livingston <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 16:38:17 -0000 MailServer2008B698.10000-Famine2008-0-e872bd08a786 definitions=2020-06-14_04:2020-06-12, 2020-06-14 signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2004280000 definitions=main-2006140146

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For those of you who like tools, this is a great one for testing a battery=
.=0A=0Ahttps://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0=
015PI7A4/ref=3Dasc_df_B0015PI7A4/?tag=3Dhyprod-20&linkCode=3Ddf0&hvadid=3D=
312280085431&hvpos=3D&hvnetw=3Dg&hvrand=3D14838984143453092033&hvpone=3D&h=
vptwo=3D&hvqmt=3D&hvdev=3Dc&hvdvcmdl=3D&hvlocint=3D&hvlocphy=3D1013964&hvt=
argid=3Dpla-499796143917&psc=3D1=0A=0AI don't know why it's brand is SOLAR=
, there is nothing solar about it. =C2=A0The battery doesn't need to be fu=
lly charged either, or disconnected from the car. =C2=A0You enter the type=
 of battery and the CCA it's rated for, it runs a test and along with OK, =
Charge and Fail, it will show you how=C2=A0many CCAs are left. =C2=A0I rec=
ently checked a 5 year old Optima Red Top battery I run in my TR3 rated at=
=C2=A0800 CCA. =C2=A0It tested good, and still has 720 CCAs.=0A=0ARye=0APH=
: 530-FIND-RYE=0A=0AOn June 14, 2020 at 8:56 AM, dave <[email-masked]> w=
rote:=0A=0ANo, we attempted to put the battery in the car after it had bee=
n connected to a charger for some period.=C2=A0 The negative terminal spar=
ked so we did not. =C2=A0We put it back on the floor where we checked it w=
ith the multi meter.=C2=A0 =C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AWe also double checked that w=
e had the ground cable to the engine and the positive cable to the electri=
cal system.=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> =0ASe=
nt: Sunday, June 14, 2020 10:31 AM=0ATo: [email-masked]; triumphs@autox.=
team.net=0ASubject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0ADou=
ble checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the e=
lectrical system.=0A=C2=A0=0AThe multimeter, with the red on the positive =
terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97=0A=C2=A0=0AThis battery=
 was apparently in the car.=C2=A0 Did you check this battery right at the =
terminals?=0A=C2=A0=0ADave=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0A-----Original Message---=
--=0AFrom: dave <[email-masked]>=0ATo: [email-masked]=0ASent: S=
un, Jun 14, 2020 10:18 am=0ASubject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????=0A=0AT=
ested the battery out of the car=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom: DAVID MASSEY <dave1masse=
[email-masked]> =0ASent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 AM=0ATo: [email-masked]; t=
[email-masked]=0ASubject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????=0A=C2=A0=0A=
Did you test directly at the battery terminals?=0A=C2=A0=0AIt is possible =
to charge a dead battery in the wrong polarity.=C2=A0 If the battery was c=
omplete dead and someone hooked up the charger with the polarity reversed =
(ie: positive charger lead to the NEG battery terminal and vice-versa) it =
will charge up in the wrong polarity.=C2=A0 I've seen it done.=0A=C2=A0=0A=
Many of the smart chargers will not do this.=C2=A0 Many will not charge a =
dead battery, but some will and the old style chargers don't care.=0A=C2=A0=
=0AConnecting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity will cause all ma=
nner of problems.=C2=A0 It is not recommended.=0A=C2=A0=0ADave=0A=C2=A0=0A=
=C2=A0=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: dave <[email-masked]>=0ATo: =
[email-masked]=0ASent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am=0ASubject: Re: [=
TR] what is going on?????=0AYes.=C2=A0 I tested the good battery and it sh=
owed 12.7 volts.=C2=A0 positive=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr@gmai=
l.com> =0ASent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM=0ATo: dave <[email-masked]=
>=0ACc: [email-masked]=0ASubject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????=0A=
=C2=A0=0AHave you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the =
multimeter?=0A=C2=A0=0AOn many modes they can be reversed.=0A=C2=A0=0AGeo=0A=
=C2=A0=0AOn Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave <[email-masked]> wrote:=0AWe=
 bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).=C2=A0 Wasn=E2=80=99t=
 running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead.=0A=C2=A0=0AToday =
we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from anot=
her car.=0A=C2=A0=0ASet the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a charger a day o=
r two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in gett=
ing it running and driving.=0A=C2=A0=0AHooked up the positive first, then =
touching the negative caused a spark!!!!=0A=C2=A0=0ADouble checked that we=
 had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system.=0A=
=C2=A0=0AThe multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the bla=
ck on the negative, read -9.97=0A=C2=A0=0AReversed it and got 9.97.=0A=C2=A0=
=0AChecked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the multimeter is not broken.=0A=
=C2=A0=0AChecked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again, same results.=C2=A0=
 Good battery =E2=80=93 same results (about 12.97)=0A=C2=A0=0AWhat is goin=
g on????=C2=A0 how is this possible?=C2=A0 Yes, we are replacing the batte=
ry but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must hav=
e mixed up the terminals, that its not possible.=0A=C2=A0=0ACan anyone exp=
lain this to me?=0A=C2=A0=0AAnd yes, we are replacing the battery=0A** tri=
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<html><body><div>For those of you who like tools, this is a great one for testing a ba=
ttery.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><a href=3D"https://ww=
w.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7A4/ref=3Das=
c_df_B0015PI7A4/?tag=3Dhyprod-20&amp;linkCode=3Ddf0&amp;hvadid=3D312280085=
431&amp;hvpos=3D&amp;hvnetw=3Dg&amp;hvrand=3D14838984143453092033&amp;hvpo=
ne=3D&amp;hvptwo=3D&amp;hvqmt=3D&amp;hvdev=3Dc&amp;hvdvcmdl=3D&amp;hvlocin=
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ttps://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7A4=
/ref=3Dasc_df_B0015PI7A4/?tag=3Dhyprod-20&amp;linkCode=3Ddf0&amp;hvadid=3D=
312280085431&amp;hvpos=3D&amp;hvnetw=3Dg&amp;hvrand=3D14838984143453092033=
&amp;hvpone=3D&amp;hvptwo=3D&amp;hvqmt=3D&amp;hvdev=3Dc&amp;hvdvcmdl=3D&am=
p;hvlocint=3D&amp;hvlocphy=3D1013964&amp;hvtargid=3Dpla-499796143917&amp;p=
sc=3D1</a></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>I don't know why =
it's brand is SOLAR, there is nothing solar about it. &nbsp;The battery do=
esn't need to be fully charged either, or disconnected from the car. &nbsp=
;You enter the type of battery and the CCA it's rated for, it runs a test =
and along with OK, Charge and Fail, it will show you how&nbsp;many CCAs ar=
e left. &nbsp;I recently checked a 5 year old Optima Red Top battery I run=
 in my TR3 rated at&nbsp;800 CCA. &nbsp;It tested good, and still has 720 =
CCAs.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div class=3D"x-apple-signa=
ture">Rye<br>PH: 530-FIND-RYE</div><div><br>On June 14, 2020 at 8:56 AM, d=
ave &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><div class=3D"msg-quote" lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purpl=
e"><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">No, we attempted to =
put the battery in the car after it had been connected to a charger for so=
me period.&nbsp; The negative terminal sparked so we did not. &nbsp;We put=
 it back on the floor where we checked it with the multi meter.&nbsp; &nbs=
p;</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">We also doub=
le checked that we had the ground <b>cable</b> to the engine and the posit=
ive <b>cable</b> to the electrical system.&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>&nbsp;</p><div style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; pa=
dding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;" data-mce-style=3D"border: none; border-top: sol=
id #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>F=
rom:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, =
June 14, 2020 10:31 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" d=
ata-mce-href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>; <a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is goi=
ng on?????</p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-se=
rif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Ari=
al',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><blockquote sty=
le=3D"border: none; border-left: solid blue 1.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 2.=
0pt; margin-top: 5.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;" data-mce-style=3D"border: n=
one; border-left: solid blue 1.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 2.0pt; margin-top=
: 5.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" d=
ata-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color=
: black;">Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the posi=
tive to the electrical system.</span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-se=
rif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Ari=
al',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p></div></div><div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',=
sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-famil=
y: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">The multimeter, with the red on the =
positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97</span></p></di=
v></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-st=
yle=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">=
&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D=
"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">This b=
attery was apparently in the car.&nbsp; Did you check this battery right a=
t the terminals?</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-m=
ce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: bla=
ck;">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bo=
ttom: 12.0pt;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-=
style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;=
">Dave </span><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-=
serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'A=
rial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; col=
or: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans=
-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: =
black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-ser=
if; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" styl=
e=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: bla=
ck;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif;=
 color: black;">-----Original Message-----<br>From: dave &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">dave@rant=
eer.com</a>&gt;<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" data-mce=
-href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>Se=
nt: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:18 am<br>Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????<=
/span></p><div id=3D"yiv0701720275"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: =
black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-ser=
if; color: black;">Tested the battery out of the car</span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Ari=
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1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;" data-mce-style=3D"border: none; bo=
rder-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans=
-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: '=
Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size=
: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D=
"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"> DAVID=
 MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, Ju=
ne 14, 2020 9:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" data=
-mce-href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>; <a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????</span></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce=
-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black=
;">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" da=
ta-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color:=
 black;">Did you test directly at the battery terminals?</span><span style=
=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" dat=
a-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: =
black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" da=
ta-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color:=
 black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Aria=
l',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-fa=
mily: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Ari=
al',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-f=
amily: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">It is possible to charge a dead =
battery in the wrong polarity.&nbsp; If the battery was complete dead and =
someone hooked up the charger with the polarity reversed (ie: positive cha=
rger lead to the NEG battery terminal and vice-versa) it will charge up in=
 the wrong polarity.&nbsp; I've seen it done.</span><span style=3D"font-si=
ze: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=
=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-styl=
e=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&n=
bsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-ser=
if; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Aria=
l',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-se=
rif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Ari=
al',sans-serif; color: black;">Many of the smart chargers will not do this=
.&nbsp; Many will not charge a dead battery, but some will and the old sty=
le chargers don't care.</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-famil=
y: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;=
 font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-fami=
ly: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt=
; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=
=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" dat=
a-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: =
black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" da=
ta-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color:=
 black;">Connecting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity will cause =
all manner of problems.&nbsp; It is not recommended.</span><span style=3D"=
font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mc=
e-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: blac=
k;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-m=
ce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: bla=
ck;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',s=
ans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family=
: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div styl=
e=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Arial'=
,sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-fami=
ly: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">Dave </span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D=
"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span=
></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D=
"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;=
</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; =
color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',s=
ans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif;=
 color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',=
sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; =
font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-siz=
e: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></di=
v></div><div><div style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" data-mce-style=3D"margi=
n-bottom: 12.0pt;"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt=
; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-s=
ize: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">-----Original=
 Message-----<br>From: dave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" data-m=
ce-href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:triumphs@auto=
x.team.net">[email-masked]</a><br>Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am=
<br>Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????</span></p></div><div id=3D"yiv=
0701720275"><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-st=
yle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">=
Yes.&nbsp; I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts.&nbsp; posit=
ive</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" d=
ata-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 1=
0.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"f=
ont-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</=
span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-m=
ce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></d=
iv></div><div id=3D"yiv0701720275yqt86616"><div style=3D"border: none; bor=
der-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;" data-mce-style=3D=
"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in=
;"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; f=
ont-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size=
: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">From:</span></b>=
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: =
black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-ser=
if; color: black;"> Geo Hahn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" d=
ata-mce-href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
am.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going on?????</span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"=
font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div></d=
iv><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font=
-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 1=
0.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D=
"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><d=
iv><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font=
-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 1=
0.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">Have you confirmed =
that the leads are correctly connected at the multimeter?</span><span styl=
e=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"fon=
t-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0p=
t; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span styl=
e=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"fon=
t-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div></div>=
<div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; fo=
nt-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size:=
 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">On many modes the=
y can be reversed.</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; c=
olor: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: bl=
ack;"></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: b=
lack;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-seri=
f; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-se=
rif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; col=
or: black;"></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; co=
lor: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',san=
s-serif; color: black;">Geo</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans=
-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; =
color: black;"></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif=
; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial'=
,sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Aria=
l',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-=
serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-se=
rif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Ari=
al',sans-serif; color: black;">On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',=
sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-ser=
if; color: black;"></span></p></div></div></div><blockquote style=3D"borde=
r: none; border-left: solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6.0pt; mar=
gin: 5.0pt 0in 5.0pt 4.8pt;" data-mce-style=3D"border: none; border-left: =
solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6.0pt; margin: 5.0pt 0in 5.0pt 4=
.8pt;"><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D=
"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">We bou=
ght a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).&nbsp; Wasn=E2=80=99t run=
ning or driving, needed some work, battery was dead.</span><span style=3D"=
font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-fam=
ily: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Aria=
l',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-fa=
mily: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-=
family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: =
'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sa=
ns-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family:=
 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">Today we finally got it running and dr=
iving using a known good battery from another car.</span><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-famil=
y: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial'=
,sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-fami=
ly: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'A=
rial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans=
-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: '=
Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">Set the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a c=
harger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we suc=
ceeded in getting it running and driving.</span><span style=3D"font-family=
: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial=
',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-ser=
if; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Aria=
l',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Ar=
ial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',san=
s-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; c=
olor: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sa=
ns-serif; color: black;">Hooked up the positive first, then touching the n=
egative caused a spark!!!!</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-=
serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; c=
olor: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: blac=
k;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; =
color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif=
; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color:=
 black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" d=
ata-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color=
: black;">Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the posi=
tive to the electrical system.</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',s=
ans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-seri=
f; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: =
black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-ser=
if; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-s=
erif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; co=
lor: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black=
;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; c=
olor: black;">The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and th=
e black on the negative, read -9.97</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Ari=
al',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans=
-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; co=
lor: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',san=
s-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',s=
ans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-seri=
f; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: =
black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-ser=
if; color: black;">Reversed it and got 9.97.</span><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Ar=
ial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-se=
rif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Ari=
al',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'A=
rial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sa=
ns-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; =
color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',s=
ans-serif; color: black;">Checked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the multi=
meter is not broken.</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif;=
 color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: =
black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
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ta-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color:=
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r: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black=
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e-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: blac=
k;">Checked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again, same results.&nbsp; Good=
 battery =E2=80=93 same results (about 12.97)</span><span style=3D"font-fa=
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',sans-serif; color: black;">What is going on????&nbsp; how is this possib=
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s story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that it=
s not possible.</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; colo=
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From: "dave" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 13:18:40 -0500

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It was under warranty.  There is now a brand new battery in the Jeep

=20

From: tom boggiano <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 1:14 PM
To: dave <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

=20

Any chance you were able to reverse charge (polarity) on the battery?

=20

Happened once when my in-law put a charger on my dead car battery =
backwards.  I did not know it could be done=20

T

On Jun 14, 2020, at 12:52 PM, dave <[email-masked] =

=EF=BB=BF

Old battery: -9.97

=20

Known good battery: 12.97

=20

Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

=20

So, with which battery did you measure -9.97 volts?

=20

Dave=20

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=20

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:50 am
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

No, we attempted to put the battery in the car after it had been =
connected to a charger for some period.  The negative terminal sparked =
so we did not.  We put it back on the floor where we checked it with the =
multi meter.  =20

=20

We also double checked that we had the ground cable to the engine and =
the positive cable to the electrical system. =20

=20

Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

=20

=20

Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to =
the electrical system.

=20

The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on =
the negative, read -9.97

=20

This battery was apparently in the car.  Did you check this battery =
right at the terminals?

=20

Dave=20

=20

=20

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:18 am
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

Tested the battery out of the car

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Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

=20

Did you test directly at the battery terminals?

=20

It is possible to charge a dead battery in the wrong polarity.  If the =
battery was complete dead and someone hooked up the charger with the =
polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to the NEG battery terminal =
and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong polarity.  I've seen it =
done.

=20

Many of the smart chargers will not do this.  Many will not charge a =
dead battery, but some will and the old style chargers don't care.

=20

Connecting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity will cause all =
manner of problems.  It is not recommended.

=20

Dave=20

=20

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-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

Yes.  I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts.  positive

=20

Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

=20

Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the =
multimeter?

=20

On many modes they can be reversed.

=20

Geo

=20

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave <[email-masked] =

We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).  Wasn=E2=80=99t =
running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead.

=20

Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery =
from another car.

=20

Set the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and =
decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it =
running and driving.

=20

Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a =
spark!!!!

=20

Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to =
the electrical system.

=20

The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on =
the negative, read -9.97

=20

=20

Checked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the multimeter is not broken.

=20

Checked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again, same results.  Good =
battery =E2=80=93 same results (about 12.97)

=20

What is going on????  how is this possible?  Yes, we are replacing the =
battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he =
must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible.

=20

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>It was =
under warranty.=C2=A0 There is now a brand new battery in the =
Jeep<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> tom boggiano =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 1:14 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> dave &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[TR] what is going on?????<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Any =
chance you were able to reverse charge (polarity) on the =
battery?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Happened once when my in-law put a charger on my dead =
car battery backwards. &nbsp;I did not know it could be =
done&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>T<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jun 14, 2020, at 12:52 PM, dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Old =
battery: -9.97<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Known good =
battery: 12.97<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 11:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b=
>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going on?????<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>So,=
 with which battery did you measure -9.97 =
volts?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>Se=
nt: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:50 am<br>Subject: Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????</span><o:p></o:p></p><div id=3Dyiv3521628490><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>No,=
 we attempted to put the battery in the car after it had been connected =
to a charger for some period.&nbsp; The negative terminal sparked so we =
did not. &nbsp;We put it back on the floor where we checked it with the =
multi meter.&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>We =
also double checked that we had the ground <b>cable</b> to the engine =
and the positive <b>cable</b> to the electrical system.&nbsp; =
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=3Dyiv3521628490yqt44784><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Fro=
m:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 10:31 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b=
>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
2.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dou=
ble checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the =
electrical =
system.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
 multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the =
negative, read =
-9.97</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Thi=
s battery was apparently in the car.&nbsp; Did you check this battery =
right at the terminals?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br>Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 =
10:18 am<br>Subject: Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
id=3Dyiv3521628490><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Tes=
ted the battery out of the =
car</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div =
id=3Dyiv3521628490yqt44086><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid =
#E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Fro=
m:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, =
June 14, 2020 9:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[TR] what is going =
on?????</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Did=
 you test directly at the battery =
terminals?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>It =
is possible to charge a dead battery in the wrong polarity.&nbsp; If the =
battery was complete dead and someone hooked up the charger with the =
polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to the NEG battery terminal =
and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong polarity.&nbsp; I've seen =
it done.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Man=
y of the smart chargers will not do this.&nbsp; Many will not charge a =
dead battery, but some will and the old style chargers don't =
care.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Con=
necting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity will cause all manner =
of problems.&nbsp; It is not =
recommended.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br>Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 =
8:51 am<br>Subject: Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div =
id=3Dyiv3521628490><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Yes=
.&nbsp; I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts.&nbsp; =
positive</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div =
id=3Dyiv3521628490yqt86616><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid =
#E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Fro=
m:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Geo Hahn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, =
June 14, 2020 7:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[TR] what is going =
on?????</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hav=
e you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the =
multimeter?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
many modes they can be =
reversed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Geo=
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>We =
bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).&nbsp; =
Wasn=E2=80=99t running or driving, needed some work, battery was =
dead.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Tod=
ay we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from =
another car.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Set=
 the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided =
to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and =
driving.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hoo=
ked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a =
spark!!!!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dou=
ble checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the =
electrical =
system.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
 multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the =
negative, read =
-9.97</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Rev=
ersed it and got =
9.97.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Che=
cked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the multimeter is not =
broken.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Che=
cked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again, same results.&nbsp; Good =
battery =E2=80=93 same results (about =
12.97)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Wha=
t is going on????&nbsp; how is this possible?&nbsp; Yes, we are =
replacing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have =
told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not =
possible.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Can=
 anyone explain this to =
me?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>And=
 yes, we are replacing the =
battery</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>** =
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