Subject: Re: [TR] A smart or dumb idea for TR6 Steering column

From: Mark J Bradakis <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:03:03 -0600

No, the gap between the column and the firewall is not intentional.. It 
is there on your car because the rubber grommet that belongs there has 
long since gone away.  If I had my parts books handier I'd quote a 
proper part number for it.

mjb.

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From: Allen Hess <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 14:58:29 -0400

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https://mossmotors.com/triumph-tr6-250/suspension-steering/steering-column-1=

There are two U clamps that secure the steering column. The =E2=80=9Clower=E2=
=80=9D one (I think of it as forward, closer to the bulkhead) would prevent t=
he movement that I think you are talking about. It is item 124 in Moss catal=
og. Do you have it? Do you have the felt packing?

Allen

> On Jun 19, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Jeff Nathanson <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> =20
> Hello,
> =20
> I=E2=80=99m one of those silent subscribers. But, now I have an idea and w=
anted to pass it on for suggestions/criticism . I just changed the two steer=
ing column bushing in the 1972 TR6. But, when I grab the steering column fro=
m inside the engine bay, there still is a lot of play. As can be seen by the=
 below picture, the steering column can rattle around in the hole in the fir=
e wall.
> =20
> =20
> =20
> So, my idea was to pack some rubber around the steering column (1.25 inche=
s OD) from inside and force it through the fire wall. I got a pair of rubber=
 chair legs from Amazon.
> =20
> =20
> =20
> I cut off the =E2=80=9Cfloor=E2=80=9D end and then cut off some more so th=
at is about 0.75=E2=80=9D remaining
> =20
> =20
> .
> =20
> =20
> After removing the steering column from the car, I can now place this rubb=
er =E2=80=9Cconcoction=E2=80=9D  around the front end of the steering column=
 and place it through the fire wall so it fills the gap. I have not yet comp=
leted this task because of problems securing the four screws in the large ru=
bber cushion connecting the two steering rods.
> =20
> So, my question is:
> 1)    Was the gap in the file wall around the steering intentional?
> 2)    Do you think this would mess up anything?
> 3)    Would I feel more or less vibration at the steering wheel?
> =20
> Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated.
> =20
> =20
> Thanks,
> Jeff N.

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</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"Mso=
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"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt">So, my idea was to pack some ru=
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p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
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w place this rubber =E2=80=9Cconcoction=E2=80=9D &nbsp;around the front end o=
f the steering column and place it through the fire wall so it fills the gap=
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ould I feel more or less vibration at the steering wheel?<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt">Any sugge=
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From: "Jeff Nathanson" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 15:12:36 -0400

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Allen,

=20

I don=E2=80=99t have the felt packing, and  one of the bolts around the =
U clamp was missing the nut. So, I guess when I get around to tighten =
everything, the steering column should be more rigid.

=20

Thanks,

Jeff N.

=20

=20

From: Allen Hess [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 2:58 PM
To: Jeff Nathanson <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] A smart or dumb idea for TR6 Steering column

=20

https://mossmotors.com/triumph-tr6-250/suspension-steering/steering-colum=
n-1

=20

There are two U clamps that secure the steering column. The =
=E2=80=9Clower=E2=80=9D one (I think of it as forward, closer to the =
bulkhead) would prevent the movement that I think you are talking about. =
It is item 124 in Moss catalog. Do you have it? Do you have the felt =
packing?

=20

Allen

On Jun 19, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Jeff Nathanson <[email-masked] =

=EF=BB=BF

=20

Hello,

=20

I=E2=80=99m one of those silent subscribers. But, now I have an idea and =
wanted to pass it on for suggestions/criticism . I just changed the two =
steering column bushing in the 1972 TR6. But, when I grab the steering =
column from inside the engine bay, there still is a lot of play. As can =
be seen by the below picture, the steering column can rattle around in =
the hole in the fire wall.

=20

=20

=20

So, my idea was to pack some rubber around the steering column (1.25 =
inches OD) from inside and force it through the fire wall. I got a pair =
of rubber chair legs from Amazon.

=20

=20

=20

I cut off the =E2=80=9Cfloor=E2=80=9D end and then cut off some more so =
that is about 0.75=E2=80=9D remaining

=20

=20

.

=20

=20

After removing the steering column from the car, I can now place this =
rubber =E2=80=9Cconcoction=E2=80=9D  around the front end of the =
steering column and place it through the fire wall so it fills the gap. =
I have not yet completed this task because of problems securing the four =
screws in the large rubber cushion connecting the two steering rods.

=20

So, my question is:

=20

=20

=20

Thanks,

Jeff N.

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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I don=E2=80=99t have the =
felt packing, and =C2=A0one of the bolts around the U clamp was missing =
the nut. So, I guess when I get around to tighten everything, the =
steering column should be more rigid.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Jeff =
N.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Allen Hess =
[mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 19, 2020 =
2:58 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jeff Nathanson =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] A smart or dumb idea =
for TR6 Steering column<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://mossmotors.com/triumph-tr6-250/suspension-steering/steeri=
ng-column-1">https://mossmotors.com/triumph-tr6-250/suspension-steering/s=
teering-column-1</a><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>There are two U clamps that secure the steering =
column. The =E2=80=9Clower=E2=80=9D one (I think of it as forward, =
closer to the bulkhead) would prevent the movement that I think you are =
talking about. It is item 124 in Moss catalog. Do you have it? Do you =
have the felt packing?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Allen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jun 19, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Jeff =
Nathanson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF<span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>Hello,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>I=E2=80=99m one of =
those silent subscribers. But, now I have an idea and wanted to pass it =
on for suggestions/criticism . I just changed the two steering column =
bushing in the 1972 TR6. But, when I grab the steering column from =
inside the engine bay, there still is a lot of play. As can be seen by =
the below picture, the steering column can rattle around in the hole in =
the fire wall.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>&lt;image002.jpg&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>So, my idea was to pack some rubber around =
the steering column (1.25 inches OD) from inside and force it through =
the fire wall. I got a pair of rubber chair legs from =
Amazon.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>&lt;image004.jpg&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>I cut off the =E2=80=9Cfloor=E2=80=9D end and =
then cut off some more so that is about 0.75=E2=80=9D =
remaining</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>&lt;image009.jpg&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>After removing the steering column from the =
car, I can now place this rubber =E2=80=9Cconcoction=E2=80=9D =
&nbsp;around the front end of the steering column and place it through =
the fire wall so it fills the gap. I have not yet completed this task =
because of problems securing the four screws in the large rubber cushion =
connecting the two steering rods.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>So, my question =
is:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if =
!supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>Was the gap in =
the file wall around the steering intentional?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>Do you think =
this would mess up anything?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>3)<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>Would I feel =
more or less vibration at the steering wheel?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>Any suggestions or =
comments would be appreciated.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>Jeff =
N.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>&lt;001.JPG&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>&lt;002.JPG&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
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From: Mark J Bradakis <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 13:19:20 -0600

On 6/19/20 12:58 PM, Allen Hess wrote:
> https://mossmotors.com/triumph-tr6-250/suspension-steering/steering-column-1
>
> There are two U clamps that secure the steering column. The “lower” 
> one (I think of it as forward, closer to the bulkhead) would prevent 
> the movement that I think you are talking about. It is item 124 in 
> Moss catalog. Do you have it? Do you have the felt packing?
>
I disagree.  What he is looking for is item #120 in the drawing, just a 
rubber seal that goes around the steering column where it psses through 
the firewall.

mjb.

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