Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

From: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 22:17:11 -0500

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I had a 1988 XJ Cherokee for twenty plus years.  Loved it, but the Jeep was
buggy.  Wait until you get into the closed cooling system...

My brother and I found some ground loops that were playing havoc with the
electrical system.  Bonded some of the major assemblies together and it
made it a lot happier.  You might check to make sure the different parts of
the XJ are on the same ground plane.

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:58 PM dave <[email-masked]> wrote:

> We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).  Wasn=E2=80=99t r=
unning or
> driving, needed some work, battery was dead.
>
>
>
> Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery
> from another car.
>
>
>
> Set the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decid=
ed to try
> it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving.
>
>
>
> Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!=
!!
>
>
>
> Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to
> the electrical system.
>
>
>
> The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on th=
e
> negative, read -9.97
>
>
>
> Reversed it and got 9.97.
>
>
>
> Checked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the multimeter is not broken.
>
>
>
> Checked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again, same results.  Good battery=
 =E2=80=93 same
> results (about 12.97)
>
>
>
> What is going on????  how is this possible?  Yes, we are replacing the
> battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he mu=
st
> have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible.
>
>
>
> Can anyone explain this to me?
>
>
>
> And yes, we are replacing the battery
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I had a 1988 XJ Cherokee for twenty plus years.=C2=A0 Love=
d it, but the Jeep was buggy.=C2=A0 Wait until you get into the closed cool=
ing system...<div><br></div><div>My brother and I found some ground loops t=
hat were playing havoc with the electrical system.=C2=A0 Bonded some of the=
 major assemblies together and it made it a lot happier.=C2=A0 You might ch=
eck to make sure the different parts of the XJ are on the same ground plane=
.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:58 PM dave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave@rant=
eer.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_54211082=
75786303479WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">We bought a car a few month=
s ago (an 88 jeep actually).=C2=A0 Wasn=E2=80=99t running or driving, neede=
d some work, battery was dead.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Today we finally got it running =
and driving using a known good battery from another car.<u></u><u></u></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Set th=
e jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to tr=
y it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving.<=
u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused=
 a spark!!!!<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Double checked that we had the ground to the engin=
e and the positive to the electrical system.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The multimeter, wi=
th the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.=
97<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">Reversed it and got 9.97.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Checked the good batte=
ry =E2=80=93 no, the multimeter is not broken.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Checked the jeep=
=E2=80=99s old battery again, same results.=C2=A0 Good battery =E2=80=93 sa=
me results (about 12.97)<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">What is going on????=C2=A0 how is this=
 possible?=C2=A0 Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told =
me this story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, th=
at its not possible.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Can anyone explain this to me?<u></u><u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
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Yes, it is possible to charge a battery backwards.=20

Serenity Now......

On Jun 13, 2020, at 9:55 PM, dave <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).  Wasn=E2=80=99t runn=
ing or driving, needed some work, battery was dead.
=20
Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from a=
nother car.
=20
Set the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided t=
o try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and drivin=
g.
=20
Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!!
=20
Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the e=
lectrical system.
=20
The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the n=
egative, read -9.97
=20
Reversed it and got 9.97.
=20
Checked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the multimeter is not broken.
=20
Checked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again, same results.  Good battery =E2=
=80=93 same results (about 12.97)
=20
What is going on????  how is this possible?  Yes, we are replacing the batte=
ry but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must have m=
ixed up the terminals, that its not possible.
=20
Can anyone explain this to me?
=20
And yes, we are replacing the battery
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nd decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it runnin=
g and driving.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative c=
aused a spark!!!!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Double checked that we had the ground to the engine a=
nd the positive to the electrical system.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The multimeter, with the red o=
n the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97<o:p></o:p>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rever=
sed it and got 9.97.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Checked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the multime=
ter is not broken.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Checked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again, same r=
esults.&nbsp; Good battery =E2=80=93 same results (about 12.97)<o:p></o:p></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">What is=
 going on????&nbsp; how is this possible?&nbsp; Yes, we are replacing the ba=
ttery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must ha=
ve mixed up the terminals, that its not possible.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Can anyone explain th=
is to me?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">And yes, we are replacing the battery<o:p></o:p></p></div><sp=
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From: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 23:53:34 -0500

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Probably worth checking for parasitic draws on the battery, too.  I had an
issue once upon a time where the insulation to the headlight wiring to the
right side had been worn through, leading to battery drains and burned
connectors.

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 10:17 PM Don Hiscock <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I had a 1988 XJ Cherokee for twenty plus years.  Loved it, but the Jeep
> was buggy.  Wait until you get into the closed cooling system...
>
> made it a lot happier.  You might check to make sure the different parts =
of
>> We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).  Wasn=E2=80=99t =
running
>> or driving, needed some work, battery was dead.
>>
>>
>>
>> Set the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and deci=
ded to
>> try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driv=
ing.
>> The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on
>> the negative, read -9.97
>>
>>
>>
>> Checked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again, same results.  Good batter=
y =E2=80=93 same
>> battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he m=
ust
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Probably worth checking for parasitic draws on the battery=
, too.=C2=A0 I had an issue once upon a time where the insulation to the he=
adlight wiring to the right side had been worn through, leading to battery =
drains and burned connectors.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 10:17 PM Don Hiscock =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">I had a 1988 XJ Cherokee for twenty plus years.=C2=A0 Loved it, bu=
t the Jeep was buggy.=C2=A0 Wait until you get into the closed cooling syst=
em...<div><br></div><div>My brother and I found some ground loops that were=
 playing havoc with the electrical system.=C2=A0 Bonded some of the major a=
ssemblies together and it made it a lot happier.=C2=A0 You might check to m=
ake sure the different parts of the XJ are on the same ground plane.</div><=
/div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">O=
n Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:58 PM dave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).=C2=A0 Wasn=
=E2=80=99t running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead.<u></u><u=
></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery =
from another car.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Set the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a charge=
r a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded=
 in getting it running and driving.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hooked up the positive firs=
t, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!!<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Double checke=
d that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical s=
ystem.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal an=
d the black on the negative, read -9.97<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Reversed it and got 9.9=
7.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">Checked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the multimeter is not=
 broken.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">Checked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again, same res=
ults.=C2=A0 Good battery =E2=80=93 same results (about 12.97)<u></u><u></u>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">W=
hat is going on????=C2=A0 how is this possible?=C2=A0 Yes, we are replacing=
 the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he=
 must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible.<u></u><u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Can a=
nyone explain this to me?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
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Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the multimeter=
?

On many modes they can be reversed.

Geo

unning or
ed to try
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<div dir=3D"auto">Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected=
 at the multimeter?<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">On many mo=
des they can be reversed.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
">Geo</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_attr">On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave@ra=
nteer.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=
=3D"m_-6464024122848399347WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">We bought a =
car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).=C2=A0 Wasn=E2=80=99t running or=
 driving, needed some work, battery was dead.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Today we finally =
got it running and driving using a known good battery from another car.<u><=
/u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Set the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a charger a day or two ago an=
d decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it runnin=
g and driving.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hooked up the positive first, then touching the =
negative caused a spark!!!!<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Double checked that we had the grou=
nd to the engine and the positive to the electrical system.<u></u><u></u></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The=
 multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the neg=
ative, read -9.97<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Reversed it and got 9.97.<u></u><u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Checked=
 the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the multimeter is not broken.<u></u><u></u>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">C=
hecked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again, same results.=C2=A0 Good batte=
ry =E2=80=93 same results (about 12.97)<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">What is going on????=C2=
=A0 how is this possible?=C2=A0 Yes, we are replacing the battery but if so=
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Yes.  I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts.  positive

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From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM
To: dave <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

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Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the =
multimeter?

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Geo

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On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave <[email-masked] =

We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).  Wasn=E2=80=99t =
running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead.

=20

Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery =
from another car.

=20

Set the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and =
decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it =
running and driving.

=20

Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a =
spark!!!!

=20

Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to =
the electrical system.

=20

The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on =
the negative, read -9.97

=20

=20

=20

Checked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again, same results.  Good =
battery =E2=80=93 same results (about 12.97)

=20

What is going on????  how is this possible?  Yes, we are replacing the =
battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he =
must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible.

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Yes.=C2=A0 =
I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts.=C2=A0 =
positive<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Geo Hahn =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> dave &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Have =
you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the =
multimeter?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On many modes they can be =
reversed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Geo<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>We bought a =
car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).&nbsp; Wasn=E2=80=99t running =
or driving, needed some work, battery was dead.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Today we =
finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from =
another car.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Set the =
jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to =
try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and =
driving.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hooked up =
the positive first, then touching the negative caused a =
spark!!!!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Double =
checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the =
electrical system.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The =
multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the =
negative, read -9.97<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Reversed it =
and got 9.97.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Checked the =
good battery =E2=80=93 no, the multimeter is not =
broken.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Checked the =
jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again, same results.&nbsp; Good battery =
=E2=80=93 same results (about 12.97)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>What is =
going on????&nbsp; how is this possible?&nbsp; Yes, we are replacing the =
battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he =
must have mixed up the terminals, that its not =
possible.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Can anyone =
explain this to me?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>And yes, we =
are replacing the battery<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
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   It is possible to reverse the polarity of a lead acid battery if it is f=
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    <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">Yes.&nbsp; I tested the good batte=
ry and it showed 12.7 volts.&nbsp; positive</p>
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lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><strong>Sent:</strong> Sunday, June 14, 202=
0 7:40 AM<br><strong>To:</strong> dave &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><strong>=
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what is going on?????</p>
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    <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
    <div>
     <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">Have you confirmed that the leads=
 are correctly connected at the multimeter?</p>
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      <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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      <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">On many modes they can be revers=
ed.</p>
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      <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">Geo</p>
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    <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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      <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM da=
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        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">We bought a car a few months a=
go (an 88 jeep actually).&nbsp; Wasn=E2=80=99t running or driving, needed s=
ome work, battery was dead.</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">Today we finally got it runnin=
g and driving using a known good battery from another car.</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">Set the jeep=E2=80=99s battery=
 up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after a=
ll we succeeded in getting it running and driving.</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">Hooked up the positive first, =
then touching the negative caused a spark!!!!</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">Double checked that we had the=
 ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system.</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">The multimeter, with the red o=
n the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">Reversed it and got 9.97.</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">Checked the good battery =E2=
=80=93 no, the multimeter is not broken.</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">Checked the jeep=E2=80=99s old=
 battery again, same results.&nbsp; Good battery =E2=80=93 same results (ab=
out 12.97)</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">What is going on????&nbsp; how=
 is this possible?&nbsp; Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone h=
ad told me this story I would have told him he must have mixed up the termi=
nals, that its not possible.</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">Can anyone explain this to me?=
</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
        <p class=3D"ox-b86c42f67a-MsoNormal">And yes, we are replacing the =
battery</p>
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Bad battery and some parasitic current on the car, I=92d guess. The battery=
 internal resistance (think of a resistor in series with the battery) could=
 large relative to the parasitic current path on the car, but negligible re=
lative to the resistance of the multimeter.

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Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>

Geo

m>> wrote:

We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).  Wasn=92t running o=
r driving, needed some work, battery was dead.

Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from=
 another car.

Set the jeep=92s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to tr=
y it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving.

Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the=
 electrical system.

The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the =
negative, read -9.97

Checked the good battery =96 no, the multimeter is not broken.

Checked the jeep=92s old battery again, same results.  Good battery =96 sam=
e results (about 12.97)

What is going on????  how is this possible?  Yes, we are replacing the batt=
ery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must hav=
e mixed up the terminals, that its not possible.

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 series with the battery) could large relative to the parasitic current pat=
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM<br>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave &lt;<a href=3D"=
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">We bought a car a few months ago (an 88=
 jeep actually).&nbsp; Wasn=92t running or driving, needed some work, batte=
ry was dead.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">Today we finally got it running and dri=
ving using a known good battery from another car.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">Set the jeep=92s battery up on a charge=
r a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded=
 in getting it running and driving.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">Hooked up the positive first, then touc=
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">Double checked that we had the ground t=
o the engine and the positive to the electrical system.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">The multimeter, with the red on the pos=
itive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">Reversed it and got 9.97.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">Checked the good battery =96 no, the mu=
ltimeter is not broken.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">Checked the jeep=92s old battery again,=
 same results.&nbsp; Good battery =96 same results (about 12.97)</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">What is going on????&nbsp; how is this =
possible?&nbsp; Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told m=
e this story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, tha=
t its not possible.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">Can anyone explain this to me?</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">And yes, we are replacing the battery</=
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 Did you test directly at the battery terminals?
It is possible to charge a dead battery in the wrong polarity.=C2=A0 If the=
 battery was complete dead and someone hooked up the charger with the polar=
ity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to the NEG battery terminal and vic=
e-versa) it will charge up in the wrong polarity.=C2=A0 I've seen it done.
Many of the smart chargers will not do this.=C2=A0 Many will not charge a d=
ead battery, but some will and the old style chargers don't care.
Connecting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity will cause all manner=
 of problems.=C2=A0 It is not recommended.
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Dave=20

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-----Original Message-----
From: dave <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

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=C2=A0 positive =C2=A0From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM
To: dave <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? =C2=A0Have you confirmed that the l=
eads are correctly connected at the multimeter? =C2=A0On many modes they ca=
n be reversed. =C2=A0Geo =C2=A0On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave <dave@ran=
teer.com> wrote:
We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).=C2=A0 Wasn=E2=80=99=
t running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead.=C2=A0Today we fin=
ally got it running and driving using a known good battery from another car=
.=C2=A0Set the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and =
decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running =
and driving.=C2=A0Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative =
caused a spark!!!!=C2=A0Double checked that we had the ground to the engine=
 and the positive to the electrical system.=C2=A0The multimeter, with the r=
ed on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97=C2=A0=
Reversed it and got 9.97.=C2=A0Checked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the m=
ultimeter is not broken.=C2=A0Checked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again,=
 same results.=C2=A0 Good battery =E2=80=93 same results (about 12.97)=C2=
=A0What is going on????=C2=A0 how is this possible?=C2=A0 Yes, we are repla=
cing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told hi=
m he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible.=C2=A0Can anyo=
ne explain this to me?=C2=A0And yes, we are replacing the battery** triumph=
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</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">It is possible to charge a dead battery in the wrong =
polarity.&nbsp; If the battery was complete dead and someone hooked up the =
charger with the polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to the NEG ba=
ttery terminal and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong polarity.&nbs=
p; I've seen it done.</font></div>

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</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Many of the smart chargers will not do this.&nbsp; Ma=
ny will not charge a dead battery, but some will and the old style chargers=
 don't care.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Connecting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity=
 will cause all manner of problems.&nbsp; It is not recommended.</font><br>
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</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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From: dave &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: [email-masked]<br>
Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????<br>
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<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal">Yes.&nbsp; I tested the good battery =
and it showed 12.7 volts.&nbsp; positive</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

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0in 0in;">
<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Geo Hahn &lt;ahwahneetr@=
gmail.com&gt; <br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM=
<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> dave &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"non=
e"><b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re:=
 [TR] what is going on?????</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal">Have you confirmed that the leads are=
 correctly connected at the multimeter?</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal">On many modes they can be reversed.</=
div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
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<div>
<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal">Geo</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal">On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave &l=
t;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
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<div>
<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">We bought a car a few mont=
hs ago (an 88 jeep actually).&nbsp; Wasn=E2=80=99t running or driving, need=
ed some work, battery was dead.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">Today we finally got it ru=
nning and driving using a known good battery from another car.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">Set the jeep=E2=80=99s bat=
tery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep aft=
er all we succeeded in getting it running and driving.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">Hooked up the positive fir=
st, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!!</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">Double checked that we had=
 the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">The multimeter, with the r=
ed on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">Reversed it and got 9.97.<=
/div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">Checked the good battery =
=E2=80=93 no, the multimeter is not broken.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">Checked the jeep=E2=80=99s=
 old battery again, same results.&nbsp; Good battery =E2=80=93 same results=
 (about 12.97)</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">What is going on????&nbsp;=
 how is this possible?&nbsp; Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someo=
ne had told me this story I would have told him he must have mixed up the t=
erminals, that its not possible.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">Can anyone explain this to=
 me?</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7175562247MsoNormal" style=3D"">And yes, we are replacing =
the battery</div>
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dead battery, but some will and the old style chargers don't care.

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Tested the =
battery out of the car<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> DAVID MASSEY =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Did=
 you test directly at the battery =
terminals?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>It =
is possible to charge a dead battery in the wrong polarity.&nbsp; If the =
battery was complete dead and someone hooked up the charger with the =
polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to the NEG battery terminal =
and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong polarity.&nbsp; I've seen =
it done.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Man=
y of the smart chargers will not do this.&nbsp; Many will not charge a =
dead battery, but some will and the old style chargers don't =
care.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Con=
necting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity will cause all manner =
of problems.&nbsp; It is not =
recommended.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>Se=
nt: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am<br>Subject: Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3Dyiv7175562247><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Yes=
.&nbsp; I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts.&nbsp; =
positive<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=3Dyiv7175562247yqt86616><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Fro=
m:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Geo Hahn &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b=
>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hav=
e you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the =
multimeter?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
many modes they can be =
reversed.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Geo=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>We =
bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).&nbsp; =
Wasn=E2=80=99t running or driving, needed some work, battery was =
dead.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Tod=
ay we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from =
another car.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Set=
 the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided =
to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and =
driving.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hoo=
ked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a =
spark!!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dou=
ble checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the =
electrical system.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
 multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the =
negative, read -9.97<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Rev=
ersed it and got 9.97.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Che=
cked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the multimeter is not =
broken.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Che=
cked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again, same results.&nbsp; Good =
battery =E2=80=93 same results (about =
12.97)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Wha=
t is going on????&nbsp; how is this possible?&nbsp; Yes, we are =
replacing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have =
told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not =
possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Can=
 anyone explain this to me?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>And=
 yes, we are replacing the =
battery<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
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From: Cliff Hansen <[email-masked]> 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:18 AM
To: dave <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

Bad battery and some parasitic current on the car, I'd guess. The battery
internal resistance (think of a resistor in series with the battery) could
large relative to the parasitic current path on the car, but negligible
relative to the resistance of the multimeter.

Cliff

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From: Triumphs <[email-masked]
<[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:51:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? 

Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the multimeter?

Geo

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave <[email-masked]

We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).  Wasn't running or
driving, needed some work, battery was dead.

Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from
another car.

Set the jeep's battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try
it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving.

Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the
electrical system.

The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the
negative, read -9.97

Checked the good battery - no, the multimeter is not broken.

Checked the jeep's old battery again, same results.  Good battery - same
results (about 12.97)

What is going on????  how is this possible?  Yes, we are replacing the
battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must
have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible.

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Tested the =
battery out of the car<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Cliff Hansen =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 =
9:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bad battery and some parasitic current on the car, =
I&#8217;d guess. The battery internal resistance (think of a resistor in =
series with the battery) could large relative to the parasitic current =
path on the car, but negligible relative to the resistance of the =
multimeter.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cliff<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Get <a href=3D"https://aka.ms/o0ukef">Outlook for =
iOS</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"98%" =
align=3Dcenter></div><div id=3DdivRplyFwdMsg><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'color:black'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'color:black'> Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
am.net</a>&gt; on behalf of dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b>=
 Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:51:10 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going on?????</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>Yes.&nbsp; I tested the good battery and it showed =
12.7 volts.&nbsp; positive<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3Dxmsonormal><b>From:</b> Geo Hahn &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b=
>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going on?????<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3Dxmsonormal>Have =
you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the =
multimeter?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>On many modes they can be =
reversed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>Geo<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3Dxmsonormal>We bought a car a few months ago =
(an 88 jeep actually).&nbsp; Wasn&#8217;t running or driving, needed =
some work, battery was dead.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>Today we =
finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from =
another car.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>Set the jeep&#8217;s battery up on a charger a day or =
two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in =
getting it running and driving.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>Hooked up =
the positive first, then touching the negative caused a =
spark!!!!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>Double checked that we had the ground to the engine =
and the positive to the electrical system.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>The =
multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the =
negative, read -9.97<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>Reversed =
it and got 9.97.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>Checked =
the good battery &#8211; no, the multimeter is not =
broken.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>Checked the jeep&#8217;s old battery again, same =
results.&nbsp; Good battery &#8211; same results (about =
12.97)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>What is going on????&nbsp; how is this =
possible?&nbsp; Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had =
told me this story I would have told him he must have mixed up the =
terminals, that its not possible.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>Can anyone =
explain this to me?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>And yes, =
we are replacing the battery<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
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Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 15:30:52 +0000 (UTC)

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Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the=
 electrical system.=C2=A0The multimeter, with the red on the positive termi=
nal and the black on the negative, read -9.97

 This battery was apparently in the car.=C2=A0 Did you check this battery r=
ight at the terminals?
=20
Dave=20

=20
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-----Original Message-----
From: dave <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:18 am
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

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v0701720275 Tested the battery out of the car =C2=A0From: DAVID MASSEY <dav=
[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? =C2=A0Did you test directly at the =
battery terminals? =C2=A0It is possible to charge a dead battery in the wro=
ng polarity.=C2=A0 If the battery was complete dead and someone hooked up t=
he charger with the polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to the NEG=
 battery terminal and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong polarity.=
=C2=A0 I've seen it done. =C2=A0Many of the smart chargers will not do this=
.=C2=A0 Many will not charge a dead battery, but some will and the old styl=
e chargers don't care. =C2=A0Connecting a battery to a car in the reverse p=
olarity will cause all manner of problems.=C2=A0 It is not recommended. =C2=
=A0Dave  =C2=A0 =C2=A0-----Original Message-----
From: dave <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????Yes.=C2=A0 I tested the good battery=
 and it showed 12.7 volts.=C2=A0 positive=C2=A0From: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr@g=
mail.com>=20
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM
To: dave <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????=C2=A0Have you confirmed that the le=
ads are correctly connected at the multimeter?=C2=A0On many modes they can =
be reversed.=C2=A0Geo=C2=A0On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave <dave@ranteer=
.com> wrote:
We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).=C2=A0 Wasn=E2=80=99=
t running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead.=C2=A0Today we fin=
ally got it running and driving using a known good battery from another car=
.=C2=A0Set the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and =
decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running =
and driving.=C2=A0Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative =
caused a spark!!!!=C2=A0Double checked that we had the ground to the engine=
 and the positive to the electrical system.=C2=A0The multimeter, with the r=
ed on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97=C2=A0=
Reversed it and got 9.97.=C2=A0Checked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the m=
ultimeter is not broken.=C2=A0Checked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again,=
 same results.=C2=A0 Good battery =E2=80=93 same results (about 12.97)=C2=
=A0What is going on????=C2=A0 how is this possible?=C2=A0 Yes, we are repla=
cing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told hi=
m he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible.=C2=A0Can anyo=
ne explain this to me?=C2=A0And yes, we are replacing the battery** triumph=
[email-masked] **

[email-masked]

[email-masked]** [email-masked] **

[email-masked]

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family:sans-serif;color:black;">Double checked that we had the ground to th=
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family:sans-serif;color:black;">The multimeter, with the red on the positiv=
e terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97</span></div>
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 check this battery right at the terminals?</font><br>
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Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:18 am<br>

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0in 0in;">
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;dave1ma=
[email-masked]&gt; <br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 =
AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; [email-masked]<b=
r clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going on?????</div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Did you test directly at the battery termin=
als?</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">It is possible to charge a dead battery in =
the wrong polarity.&nbsp; If the battery was complete dead and someone hook=
ed up the charger with the polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to =
the NEG battery terminal and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong pol=
arity.&nbsp; I've seen it done.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Many of the smart chargers will not do this=
.&nbsp; Many will not charge a dead battery, but some will and the old styl=
e chargers don't care.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Connecting a battery to a car in the revers=
e polarity will cause all manner of problems.&nbsp; It is not recommended.<=
/span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Dave </span=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></spa=
n></div>
</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">-----Origin=
al Message-----<br clear=3D"none">From: dave &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">To: <a rel=
=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked].=
net</a><br clear=3D"none">Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am<br clear=3D"none"=
>Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????</span></div>

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<div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Yes.&nbsp; I tested the good battery and it=
 showed 12.7 volts.&nbsp; positive</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div id=3D"yiv0701720275yqt86616">
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in;">
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:sans-serif;color:black;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"> Geo Hahn &lt;<a rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br cle=
ar=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b=
>To:</b> dave &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:dave=
@ranteer.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">dave@rante=
er.com</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"re=
ct" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none"=
><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going on?????</span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Have you confirmed that the leads are corre=
ctly connected at the multimeter?</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">On many modes they can be reversed.</span><=
/div>
</div>
</div>

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<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
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</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Geo</span></div>
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family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave &lt;<a r=
el=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote=
:</span></div>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt;">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jee=
p actually).&nbsp; Wasn=E2=80=99t running or driving, needed some work, bat=
tery was dead.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Today we finally got it running and driving=
 using a known good battery from another car.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Set the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a char=
ger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeed=
ed in getting it running and driving.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Hooked up the positive first, then touching=
 the negative caused a spark!!!!</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Double checked that we had the ground to th=
e engine and the positive to the electrical system.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">The multimeter, with the red on the positiv=
e terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Reversed it and got 9.97.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Checked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the =
multimeter is not broken.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Checked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery agai=
n, same results.&nbsp; Good battery =E2=80=93 same results (about 12.97)</s=
pan></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">What is going on????&nbsp; how is this poss=
ible?&nbsp; Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told me th=
is story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that it=
s not possible.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Can anyone explain this to me?</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">And yes, we are replacing the battery</span=
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No, we attempted to put the battery in the car after it had been =
connected to a charger for some period.  The negative terminal sparked =
so we did not.  We put it back on the floor where we checked it with the =
multi meter.  =20

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We also double checked that we had the ground cable to the engine and =
the positive cable to the electrical system. =20

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To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

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This battery was apparently in the car.  Did you check this battery =
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>No, we =
attempted to put the battery in the car after it had been connected to a =
charger for some period.=C2=A0 The negative terminal sparked so we did =
not. =C2=A0We put it back on the floor where we checked it with the =
multi meter.=C2=A0 =C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>We also =
double checked that we had the ground <b>cable</b> to the engine and the =
positive <b>cable</b> to the electrical system.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> DAVID MASSEY =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 10:31 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
2.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dou=
ble checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the =
electrical system.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
 multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the =
negative, read =
-9.97<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Thi=
s battery was apparently in the car.&nbsp; Did you check this battery =
right at the terminals?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>Se=
nt: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:18 am<br>Subject: Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3Dyiv0701720275><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Tes=
ted the battery out of the car<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=3Dyiv0701720275yqt44086><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Fro=
m:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b=
on?????<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Did=
 you test directly at the battery terminals?</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>It =
is possible to charge a dead battery in the wrong polarity.&nbsp; If the =
battery was complete dead and someone hooked up the charger with the =
polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to the NEG battery terminal =
and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong polarity.&nbsp; I've seen =
it done.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Man=
y of the smart chargers will not do this.&nbsp; Many will not charge a =
dead battery, but some will and the old style chargers don't =
care.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Con=
necting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity will cause all manner =
of problems.&nbsp; It is not recommended.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br>Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 =
8:51 am<br>Subject: Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3Dyiv0701720275><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Yes=
.&nbsp; I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts.&nbsp; =
positive</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div id=3Dyiv0701720275yqt86616><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Fro=
m:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Geo Hahn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, =
June 14, 2020 7:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[TR] what is going on?????</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hav=
e you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the =
multimeter?</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
many modes they can be reversed.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Geo=
</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
#CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>We =
bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).&nbsp; =
Wasn=E2=80=99t running or driving, needed some work, battery was =
dead.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Tod=
ay we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from =
another car.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Set=
 the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided =
to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and =
driving.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hoo=
ked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a =
spark!!!!</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dou=
ble checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the =
electrical system.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
 multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the =
negative, read -9.97</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Rev=
ersed it and got 9.97.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Che=
cked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the multimeter is not =
broken.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Che=
cked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again, same results.&nbsp; Good =
battery =E2=80=93 same results (about 12.97)</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Wha=
t is going on????&nbsp; how is this possible?&nbsp; Yes, we are =
replacing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have =
told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not =
possible.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Can=
 anyone explain this to me?</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>And=
 yes, we are replacing the battery</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>** =
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 16:35:07 +0000 (UTC)

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 So, with which battery did you measure -9.97 volts?
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Dave=20

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-----Original Message-----
From: dave <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:50 am
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

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v3521628490 No, we attempted to put the battery in the car after it had bee=
n connected to a charger for some period.=C2=A0 The negative terminal spark=
ed so we did not. =C2=A0We put it back on the floor where we checked it wit=
h the multi meter.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0We also double checked that we had th=
e ground cable to the engine and the positive cable to the electrical syste=
m.=C2=A0  =C2=A0From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 10:31 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? =C2=A0 =C2=A0
Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the=
 electrical system.=C2=A0The multimeter, with the red on the positive termi=
nal and the black on the negative, read -9.97
 =C2=A0This battery was apparently in the car.=C2=A0 Did you check this bat=
tery right at the terminals? =C2=A0Dave  =C2=A0 =C2=A0-----Original Message=
-----
From: dave <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:18 am
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????Tested the battery out of the car=C2=
=A0From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????=C2=A0Did you test directly at the b=
attery terminals?=C2=A0It is possible to charge a dead battery in the wrong=
 polarity.=C2=A0 If the battery was complete dead and someone hooked up the=
 charger with the polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to the NEG b=
attery terminal and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong polarity.=C2=
=A0 I've seen it done.=C2=A0Many of the smart chargers will not do this.=C2=
=A0 Many will not charge a dead battery, but some will and the old style ch=
argers don't care.=C2=A0Connecting a battery to a car in the reverse polari=
ty will cause all manner of problems.=C2=A0 It is not recommended.=C2=A0Dav=
e =C2=A0=C2=A0-----Original Message-----
From: dave <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????Yes.=C2=A0 I tested the good battery=
 and it showed 12.7 volts.=C2=A0 positive=C2=A0From: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr@g=
mail.com>=20
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM
To: dave <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????=C2=A0Have you confirmed that the le=
ads are correctly connected at the multimeter?=C2=A0On many modes they can =
be reversed.=C2=A0Geo=C2=A0On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave <dave@ranteer=
.com> wrote:
We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).=C2=A0 Wasn=E2=80=99=
t running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead.=C2=A0Today we fin=
ally got it running and driving using a known good battery from another car=
.=C2=A0Set the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and =
decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running =
and driving.=C2=A0Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative =
caused a spark!!!!=C2=A0Double checked that we had the ground to the engine=
 and the positive to the electrical system.=C2=A0The multimeter, with the r=
ed on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97=C2=A0=
Reversed it and got 9.97.=C2=A0Checked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the m=
ultimeter is not broken.=C2=A0Checked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again,=
 same results.=C2=A0 Good battery =E2=80=93 same results (about 12.97)=C2=
=A0What is going on????=C2=A0 how is this possible?=C2=A0 Yes, we are repla=
cing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told hi=
m he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible.=C2=A0Can anyo=
ne explain this to me?=C2=A0And yes, we are replacing the battery** triumph=
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Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:50 am<br>

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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal">No, we attempted to put the battery i=
n the car after it had been connected to a charger for some period.&nbsp; T=
he negative terminal sparked so we did not. &nbsp;We put it back on the flo=
or where we checked it with the multi meter.&nbsp; &nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal">We also double checked that we had th=
e ground <b>cable</b> to the engine and the positive <b>cable</b> to the el=
ectrical system.&nbsp; </div>

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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;dave1ma=
[email-masked]&gt; <br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 10:31=
 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; [email-masked]<=
br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going on?????</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Double checked that we had the ground to th=
e engine and the positive to the electrical system.</span></div>
</div>
</div>

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family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">The multimeter, with the red on the positiv=
e terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">This battery was apparently in the car.&nbs=
p; Did you check this battery right at the terminals?</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Dave </span=
n></div>
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family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">-----Origin=
al Message-----<br clear=3D"none">From: dave &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">To: <a rel=
=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked].=
net</a><br clear=3D"none">Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:18 am<br clear=3D"none=
">Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Tested the battery out of the car</span></d=
iv>
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family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:sans-serif;color:black;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"> DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a rel=3D"no=
follow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br clear=
=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>T=
o:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>;=
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et" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">triumphs@auto=
x.team.net</a><br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going on?=
????</span></div>
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</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Did you test directly at the battery termin=
als?</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:bla=
ck;"></span></div>
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</div>

<div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
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<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">It is possible to charge a dead battery in =
the wrong polarity.&nbsp; If the battery was complete dead and someone hook=
ed up the charger with the polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to =
the NEG battery terminal and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong pol=
arity.&nbsp; I've seen it done.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Many of the smart chargers will not do this=
.&nbsp; Many will not charge a dead battery, but some will and the old styl=
e chargers don't care.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sa=
ns-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
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<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Connecting a battery to a car in the revers=
e polarity will cause all manner of problems.&nbsp; It is not recommended.<=
/span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">=
</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
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<div style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;">
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Dave </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none=
">From: dave &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:dave@=
ranteer.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">dave@rantee=
r.com</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">To: <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymai=
lto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tri=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none">Sent: S=
un, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am<br clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Yes.&nbsp; I tested the good battery and it=
 showed 12.7 volts.&nbsp; positive</span><span style=3D"font-family:sans-se=
rif;color:black;"></span></div>
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family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:san=
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nt-family:sans-serif;color:black;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"> Geo Hahn &lt;<a rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br cle=
ar=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b=
><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going on?????</span><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:san=
s-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
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<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Have you confirmed that the leads are corre=
ctly connected at the multimeter?</span><span style=3D"font-family:sans-ser=
if;color:black;"></span></div>
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family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:san=
s-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
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<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">On many modes they can be reversed.</span><=
span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:san=
s-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
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<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Geo</span><span style=3D"font-family:sans-s=
erif;color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:san=
s-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave &lt;<a r=
el=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote=
:</span><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
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<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt;">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jee=
p actually).&nbsp; Wasn=E2=80=99t running or driving, needed some work, bat=
tery was dead.</span><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></=
span></div>
</div>
</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:san=
s-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Today we finally got it running and driving=
 using a known good battery from another car.</span><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
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</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:san=
s-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Set the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a char=
ger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeed=
ed in getting it running and driving.</span><span style=3D"font-family:sans=
-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
</div>

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<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:san=
s-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Hooked up the positive first, then touching=
 the negative caused a spark!!!!</span><span style=3D"font-family:sans-seri=
f;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:san=
s-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Double checked that we had the ground to th=
e engine and the positive to the electrical system.</span><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:san=
s-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">The multimeter, with the red on the positiv=
e terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97</span><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:san=
s-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Reversed it and got 9.97.</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:san=
s-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Checked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the =
multimeter is not broken.</span><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;color=
:black;"></span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:san=
s-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Checked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery agai=
n, same results.&nbsp; Good battery =E2=80=93 same results (about 12.97)</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
</div>

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<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:san=
s-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">What is going on????&nbsp; how is this poss=
ible?&nbsp; Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told me th=
is story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that it=
s not possible.</span><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"><=
/span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:san=
s-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
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<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Can anyone explain this to me?</span><span =
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:san=
s-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3521628490MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">And yes, we are replacing the battery</span=
><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></div>
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Old battery: -9.97

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Known good battery: 12.97

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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 11:35 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Old =
battery: -9.97<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Known good =
battery: 12.97<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> DAVID MASSEY =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 11:35 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>So,=
 with which battery did you measure -9.97 =
volts?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span><span =
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--Original Message-----<br>From: dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>Se=
nt: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:50 am<br>Subject: Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3Dyiv3521628490><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>No,=
 we attempted to put the battery in the car after it had been connected =
to a charger for some period.&nbsp; The negative terminal sparked so we =
did not. &nbsp;We put it back on the floor where we checked it with the =
multi meter.&nbsp; &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>We =
also double checked that we had the ground <b>cable</b> to the engine =
and the positive <b>cable</b> to the electrical system.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 10:31 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b=
on?????<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dou=
ble checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the =
electrical =
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 multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the =
negative, read =
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right at the terminals?</span><span =
10:18 am<br>Subject: Re: [TR] what is going =
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ted the battery out of the car</span><span =
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DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, =
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