Subject: Re: [TR] How did the factory add on factory options

From: Michael Porter <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 12:02:27 -0600

On 6/4/2020 11:46 AM, Sujit Roy wrote:
> I'm just wondering how the factory added options to cars.
> Did the production line have branches off the main line at certain 
> stages and then they would merge back on the main line? Or were the 
> cars lifted off the line with some crane?

In the days of Henry Ford, there weren't options, so it wasn't an 
issue.  As the business became more competitive, even the old fascist 
Ford had to admit that "any color, as long as it's black" wasn't going 
to work.  So, manufacturers came up with ways to accommodate the demand 
for options, and that was to create specialized bills of material for 
each car as it moved down the assembly line.  At first, by hand, and 
then by computer, the basic bill of materials would be adjusted--parts 
removed from the bill, other parts added--to make up the complete 
vehicle.  The vehicle didn't change its position on the line--but, the 
parts brought to each assembly station reflected what the build required 
at that instant.

Eventually, smarter manufacturers learned that the system was closer to 
foolproof by creating so-called "add-only" bills at the design stage, 
where the vehicle became a truly basic shell to which particular options 
were then added.  That reduced errors in stocking and engineering, in 
that the basic shell was designed in such a way as to accept any option 
or combination of options offered.

In terms of shuffling things around, that's mostly done by scheduling 
today, and mostly for paint considerations, since running black paint 
through the lines creates some problems for most assembly lines.  I'm 
sure John Macartney will chime in on this, since he has some amusing 
stories about when things go wrong with the bills of material and stocking.

Cheers.

-- 

Michael Porter
Roswell, NM

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From: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 13:24:26 -0500

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Here's what part of the Coventry production lines looked like in 1958.
Maybe this will give some insight into how things were done.  It's clear
S-T campaigned body colors, and possibly interior colors too.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Zq7NRxF/0/3dfea902/O/i-Zq7NRxF.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3c968hL/0/e52b3d42/O/i-3c968hL.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-n5fdGBR/0/48115ef0/O/i-n5fdGBR.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9RpSbmS/0/9d49a652/O/i-9RpSbmS.jpg

Jonmac and I were having an email conversation about some of the regional
customization the other day (around lighting regulation differences across
the continent in the day) that might be relevant here, too.  John noted
that customization could be done in line production, in Sales Conversion,
off-line before dispatch by train, or by the selling dealer.  Where options
were added relate to how deep they're built into the car.  Adjustable
steering on a sidescreen car would obviously be done on the line.
Windscreen washers and mirrors, for example, were usually done by the
dealer.

Don
Saint Louis

On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:46 PM Sujit Roy <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Did the production line have branches off the main line at certain stages
> and then they would merge back on the main line? Or were the cars lifted
> off the line with some crane?
> Sujit
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Here&#39;s what part of the Coventry production lines look=
ed like in 1958.=C2=A0 Maybe this will give some insight into how things we=
re done.=C2=A0 It&#39;s clear S-T campaigned body colors, and possibly inte=
rior colors too.<div><a href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Zq7NRxF=
/0/3dfea902/O/i-Zq7NRxF.jpg" target=3D"_blank">https://photos.smugmug.com/p=
hotos/i-Zq7NRxF/0/3dfea902/O/i-Zq7NRxF.jpg</a></div><div><a href=3D"https:/=
/photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3c968hL/0/e52b3d42/O/i-3c968hL.jpg" target=3D"=
_blank">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3c968hL/0/e52b3d42/O/i-3c968hL.=
jpg</a></div><div><a href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-n5fdGBR/0/=
48115ef0/O/i-n5fdGBR.jpg" target=3D"_blank">https://photos.smugmug.com/phot=
os/i-n5fdGBR/0/48115ef0/O/i-n5fdGBR.jpg</a></div><div><a href=3D"https://ph=
otos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9RpSbmS/0/9d49a652/O/i-9RpSbmS.jpg" target=3D"_bl=
ank">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9RpSbmS/0/9d49a652/O/i-9RpSbmS.jpg=
</a></div><div><br></div><div>Jonmac and I were having=C2=A0an email conver=
sation about some of the regional customization the other day (around light=
ing regulation differences across the continent in the day) that might be r=
elevant here,=C2=A0too.=C2=A0 John noted that customization could be done i=
n line production, in Sales Conversion, off-line before dispatch by train, =
or by the selling dealer.=C2=A0 Where options were added relate to how deep=
 they&#39;re built into the car.=C2=A0 Adjustable steering on a sidescreen =
car would obviously be done on the line.=C2=A0 Windscreen washers and mirro=
rs, for example, were usually done by the dealer.</div><div><br></div><div>=
Don</div><div>Saint Louis<br><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12=
:46 PM Sujit Roy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;m just=C2=A0wondering=C2=
=A0how the factory added options to cars.<div>Did the production=C2=A0line =
have branches off the main line at certain stages and then they would merge=
 back on the main line? Or were the cars lifted off the line with some cran=
e?</div><div>Sujit</div><div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Sujit Roy<br>Cupertino, California</div><d=
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 18:32:36 +0000 (UTC)

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 Domestic manufacturers have been synchronizing the supply chain to the pro=
duction schedule for many years.=C2=A0 Quite some time ago I worked for a c=
ompany that acquired additional warehouse space that was formerly occupied =
buy a company that sequenced rear axles for the nearby Chrysler plant.=C2=
=A0 Many vehicles, trucks, for example, can be ordered with different rear =
axle options such as open vs limited slip or one of several gear ratio opti=
ons.=C2=A0 This company would receive various shipments of axles of the ava=
ilable options and they would repalletize them to match the production sche=
dule.
Triumph didn't have many options and many, such as radios, were dealer inst=
alled.=C2=A0 But you could order the optional overdrive transmission or you=
 could order wire wheels and these would be installed on the assembly line.=
=C2=A0 This usually worked well but sometimes it didn't.=C2=A0 John Macartn=
ey has an amusing story about this which I will let him tell as I probably =
couldn't do it justice.
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Porter <[email-masked]>
To: Sujit Roy <[email-masked]>; Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Jun 4, 2020 1:02 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] How did the factory add on factory options

On 6/4/2020 11:46 AM, Sujit Roy wrote:
> I'm just=C2=A0wondering=C2=A0how the factory added options to cars.
> Did the production=C2=A0line have branches off the main line at certain=
=20
> stages and then they would merge back on the main line? Or were the=20

In the days of Henry Ford, there weren't options, so it wasn't an=20
issue.=C2=A0 As the business became more competitive, even the old fascist=
=20
Ford had to admit that "any color, as long as it's black" wasn't going=20
to work.=C2=A0 So, manufacturers came up with ways to accommodate the deman=
d=20
for options, and that was to create specialized bills of material for=20
each car as it moved down the assembly line.=C2=A0 At first, by hand, and=
=20
then by computer, the basic bill of materials would be adjusted--parts=20
removed from the bill, other parts added--to make up the complete=20
vehicle.=C2=A0 The vehicle didn't change its position on the line--but, the=
=20
parts brought to each assembly station reflected what the build required=20
at that instant.

Eventually, smarter manufacturers learned that the system was closer to=20
foolproof by creating so-called "add-only" bills at the design stage,=20
where the vehicle became a truly basic shell to which particular options=20
were then added.=C2=A0 That reduced errors in stocking and engineering, in=
=20
that the basic shell was designed in such a way as to accept any option=20
or combination of options offered.

In terms of shuffling things around, that's mostly done by scheduling=20
today, and mostly for paint considerations, since running black paint=20
through the lines creates some problems for most assembly lines.=C2=A0 I'm=
=20
sure John Macartney will chime in on this, since he has some amusing=20
stories about when things go wrong with the bills of material and stocking.

Cheers.

--=20

Michael Porter
Roswell, NM

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<div style=3D"color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <font size=3D"3">Domestic manufacturers have been synchronizing the s=
upply chain to the production schedule for many years.&nbsp; Quite some tim=
e ago I worked for a company that acquired additional warehouse space that =
was formerly occupied buy a company that sequenced rear axles for the nearb=
y Chrysler plant.&nbsp; Many vehicles, trucks, for example, can be ordered =
with different rear axle options such as open vs limited slip or one of sev=
eral gear ratio options.&nbsp; This company would receive </font><font size=
=3D"3"><font size=3D"3">various </font>shipments of axles of the available =
options and they would repalletize them to match the production schedule.</=
font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Triumph didn't have many options and many, such as ra=
dios, were dealer installed.&nbsp; But you could order the optional overdri=
ve transmission or you could order wire wheels and these would be installed=
 on the assembly line.&nbsp; This usually worked well but sometimes it didn=
't.&nbsp; John Macartney has an amusing story about this which I will let h=
im tell as I probably couldn't do it justice.</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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From: Michael Porter &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Sujit Roy &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]=
am.net&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, Jun 4, 2020 1:02 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] How did the factory add on factory options<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On 6/4/2020 11:46 AM, Sujit Roy wrote:<br clear=3D"none">&=
gt; I'm just&nbsp;wondering&nbsp;how the factory added options to cars.<br =
clear=3D"none">&gt; Did the production&nbsp;line have branches off the main=
 line at certain <br clear=3D"none">&gt; stages and then they would merge b=
ack on the main line? Or were the <br clear=3D"none">&gt; cars lifted off t=
he line with some crane?<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">In the days o=
f Henry Ford, there weren't options, so it wasn't an <br clear=3D"none">iss=
ue.&nbsp; As the business became more competitive, even the old fascist <br=
 clear=3D"none">Ford had to admit that "any color, as long as it's black" w=
asn't going <br clear=3D"none">to work.&nbsp; So, manufacturers came up wit=
h ways to accommodate the demand <br clear=3D"none">for options, and that w=
as to create specialized bills of material for <br clear=3D"none">each car =
as it moved down the assembly line.&nbsp; At first, by hand, and <br clear=
=3D"none">then by computer, the basic bill of materials would be adjusted--=
parts <br clear=3D"none">removed from the bill, other parts added--to make =
up the complete <br clear=3D"none">vehicle.&nbsp; The vehicle didn't change=
 its position on the line--but, the <br clear=3D"none">parts brought to eac=
h assembly station reflected what the build required <br clear=3D"none">at =
that instant.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Eventually, smarter manu=
facturers learned that the system was closer to <br clear=3D"none">foolproo=
f by creating so-called "add-only" bills at the design stage, <br clear=3D"=
none">where the vehicle became a truly basic shell to which particular opti=
ons <br clear=3D"none">were then added.&nbsp; That reduced errors in stocki=
ng and engineering, in <br clear=3D"none">that the basic shell was designed=
 in such a way as to accept any option <br clear=3D"none">or combination of=
 options offered.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">In terms of shufflin=
g things around, that's mostly done by scheduling <br clear=3D"none">today,=
 and mostly for paint considerations, since running black paint <br clear=
=3D"none">through the lines creates some problems for most assembly lines.&=
nbsp; I'm <br clear=3D"none">sure John Macartney will chime in on this, sin=
ce he has some amusing <br clear=3D"none">stories about when things go wron=
g with the bills of material and stocking.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"n=
one"><br clear=3D"none">Cheers.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">-- <br=
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From: Sujit Roy <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 11:37:50 -0700

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Thanks,. The forth photo on the right hand side looks like there is
Standard 10 Pennant. I recognize the chrome strip. My mother drive one. I
recall it was build in '57.
Sujit

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks,. The forth photo on the right hand side looks like=
 there is Standard 10 Pennant. I recognize the chrome=C2=A0strip. My mother=
=C2=A0drive one. I recall it was build in &#39;57.<div>Sujit</div></div><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, J=
un 4, 2020 at 11:24 AM Don Hiscock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:don.hiscock@gmail.=
com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Here&#39;s what part of the Cove=
ntry production lines looked like in 1958.=C2=A0 Maybe this will give some =
insight into how things were done.=C2=A0 It&#39;s clear S-T campaigned body=
 colors, and possibly interior colors too.<div><a href=3D"https://photos.sm=
ugmug.com/photos/i-Zq7NRxF/0/3dfea902/O/i-Zq7NRxF.jpg" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tps://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Zq7NRxF/0/3dfea902/O/i-Zq7NRxF.jpg</a></d=
iv><div><a href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3c968hL/0/e52b3d42/O=
/i-3c968hL.jpg" target=3D"_blank">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3c968=
hL/0/e52b3d42/O/i-3c968hL.jpg</a></div><div><a href=3D"https://photos.smugm=
ug.com/photos/i-n5fdGBR/0/48115ef0/O/i-n5fdGBR.jpg" target=3D"_blank">https=
://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-n5fdGBR/0/48115ef0/O/i-n5fdGBR.jpg</a></div>=
<div><a href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9RpSbmS/0/9d49a652/O/i-=
9RpSbmS.jpg" target=3D"_blank">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9RpSbmS/=
0/9d49a652/O/i-9RpSbmS.jpg</a></div><div><br></div><div>Jonmac and I were h=
aving=C2=A0an email conversation about some of the regional customization t=
he other day (around lighting regulation differences across the continent i=
n the day) that might be relevant here,=C2=A0too.=C2=A0 John noted that cus=
tomization could be done in line production, in Sales Conversion, off-line =
before dispatch by train, or by the selling dealer.=C2=A0 Where options wer=
e added relate to how deep they&#39;re built into the car.=C2=A0 Adjustable=
 steering on a sidescreen car would obviously be done on the line.=C2=A0 Wi=
ndscreen washers and mirrors, for example, were usually done by the dealer.=
</div><div><br></div><div>Don</div><div>Saint Louis<br><div><br></div></div=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:46 PM Sujit Roy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphsta=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;=
m just=C2=A0wondering=C2=A0how the factory added options to cars.<div>Did t=
he production=C2=A0line have branches off the main line at certain stages a=
nd then they would merge back on the main line? Or were the cars lifted off=
 the line with some crane?</div><div>Sujit</div><div><br clear=3D"all"><div=
><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Sujit Roy<br>Cuper=
tino, California</div><div><br><a href=3D"https://triumphstagblog.wordpress=
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From: Michael Porter <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 12:40:06 -0600

On 6/4/2020 12:24 PM, Don Hiscock wrote:
>
> Jonmac and I were having an email conversation about some of the 
> regional customization the other day (around lighting regulation 
> differences across the continent in the day) that might be relevant 
> here, too.  John noted that customization could be done in line 
> production, in Sales Conversion, off-line before dispatch by train, or 
> by the selling dealer. Where options were added relate to how deep 
> they're built into the car.  Adjustable steering on a sidescreen car 
> would obviously be done on the line.  Windscreen washers and mirrors, 
> for example, were usually done by the dealer.
>
Even into the `80s, this was still being done, to a degree, by notable 
manufacturers such as Toyota, although it was for purposes of economy of 
shipping.  Before Toyota began investing in plants in the U.S., the cars 
came to the U.S. on Toyota's own fleet of ships which were equipped with 
hydraulically positioned decks. The cars were chained down to pots in 
the deck, the tires inflated to ~ 80 psi, which locked them in place.  
Then the upper deck was brought down to about an inch above the car 
roofs and filled with another layer of identical models.

One might realize that this method obviated the ability to install 
things that stick up and out--radio antennae, roof racks, fancy 
non-standard wheels and tires, etc.  The ship pulled up at the port, the 
drivers boarded the ship on foot with a special half-gallon gas can, 
grabbed the nearest cars. fueled them and drove them down the ramp at 
the front of the ship to a holding area, where they were tagged with 
work order to install all the equipment that didn't fit.  From there, 
they went to long sheds where assemblers fitted them out.  All that was 
done at the port before the cars went onto over-the-road or rail transport.

Pretty neat, because when the ships were empty, they backtracked to the 
Gulf of Mexico ports to which they'd dropped off cars, to pick up fresh 
fruits and vegetables, made possible by the adjustable decks and by 
refrigerating the ships.  The ships were full coming and going.

Cheers.

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Michael Porter
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As someone who worked there when your Stag was in production and earlier mod=
els as well, the production indent (the internal order from the sales Dept t=
o production control) specified=20

Model
Body colour
Trim colour
Speedo head - miles or Kim=E2=80=99s
Steering position
Destination market
Line fitted options I.e. overdrive, auto box, wire wheels chrome or painted,=
 tyre types, tonneau cover and colour, soft top colour, hardtop. These were t=
he most popular options. On top of that, the destination market kicked in a w=
hole raft of other fixtures and fittings such as low comp engines, heavy dut=
y suspension, wiring loom types and fuse boxes, varying radiator sizes, fans=
, lighting that was left/right/vertical dip with white or yellow bulbs, unde=
r bonnet stickers in umpteen languages, ditto instruction books. That stuff w=
as endless but it was all computer coded with the facility to override certa=
in features. All this was done as the car went down the line.
Things like radios, door/wing mirrors, extra lamps, mud flaps were fitted by=
 the selling dealer.
Every now and again, an oddball car went down the line that was the result o=
f a miscoding error by production control. I can personally attest to having=
 seen:

Triumph Toledo with two doors on one side and one on the other
A Herald with a LHD instrument panel and steering wheel with a RHD pedal lay=
out
A Spitfire with wire wheels on the front, disc wheels on the back and one of=
 each type and both fitted with a whitewall tyre in the boot as a spare.

Happy days

Jonmac

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
Lord Uxbridge:  =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=E2=80=9D
Duke of Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - so you have!=E2=80=9D

> On 4 Jun 2020, at 18:46, Sujit Roy <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Did the production line have branches off the main line at certain stages a=
nd then they would merge back on the main line? Or were the cars lifted off t=
he line with some crane?
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">As someone who worked there when your Stag w=
as in production and earlier models as well, the production indent (the inte=
rnal order from the sales Dept to production control) specified&nbsp;<div><b=
r></div><div>Model</div><div>Body colour</div><div>Trim colour</div><div>Spe=
edo head - miles or Kim=E2=80=99s</div><div>Steering position</div><div>Dest=
ination market</div><div>Line fitted options I.e. overdrive, auto box, wire w=
heels chrome or painted, tyre types, tonneau cover and colour, soft top colo=
ur, hardtop. These were the most popular options. On top of that, the destin=
ation market kicked in a whole raft of other fixtures and fittings such as l=
ow comp engines, heavy duty suspension, wiring loom types and fuse boxes, va=
rying radiator sizes, fans, lighting that was left/right/vertical dip with w=
hite or yellow bulbs, under bonnet stickers in umpteen languages, ditto inst=
ruction books. That stuff was endless but it was all computer coded with the=
 facility to override certain features. All this was done as the car went do=
wn the line.</div><div>Things like radios, door/wing mirrors, extra lamps, m=
ud flaps were fitted by the selling dealer.</div><div>Every now and again, a=
n oddball car went down the line that was the result of a miscoding error by=
 production control. I can personally attest to having seen:</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Triumph Toledo with two doors on one side and one on the other</di=
v><div>A Herald with a LHD instrument panel and steering wheel with a RHD pe=
dal layout</div><div>A Spitfire with wire wheels on the front, disc wheels o=
n the back and one of each type and both fitted with a whitewall tyre in the=
 boot as a spare.</div><div><br></div><div>Happy days</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Jonmac<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">At the Battle of=
 Waterloo, 1815:<div>Lord Uxbridge: &nbsp;=E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - I=E2=80=99v=
e lost my leg=E2=80=9D</div><div>Duke of Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - s=
o you have!=E2=80=9D</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 4 Jun=
 2020, at 18:46, Sujit Roy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">triu=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">I'm just&nbsp;wondering&nbsp;how the factory a=
dded options to cars.<div>Did the production&nbsp;line have branches off the=
 main line at certain stages and then they would merge back on the main line=
? Or were the cars lifted off the line with some crane?</div><div>Sujit</div=
><div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Sujit R=
oy<br>Cupertino, California</div><div><br><a href=3D"https://triumphstagblog=
.wordpress.com/" target=3D"_blank">https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/</a=
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Small correction, Don. Screen washers were a legal requirement in most world=
 markets and for those countries that didn=E2=80=99t specify them, they got t=
hem anyway. A normal line fitted item.

Jonmac

> On 4 Jun 2020, at 19:24, Don Hiscock <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Here's what part of the Coventry production lines looked like in 1958.  Ma=
ybe this will give some insight into how things were done.  It's clear S-T c=
ampaigned body colors, and possibly interior colors too.
> Jonmac and I were having an email conversation about some of the regional c=
ustomization the other day (around lighting regulation differences across th=
e continent in the day) that might be relevant here, too.  John noted that c=
ustomization could be done in line production, in Sales Conversion, off-line=
 before dispatch by train, or by the selling dealer.  Where options were add=
ed relate to how deep they're built into the car.  Adjustable steering on a s=
idescreen car would obviously be done on the line.  Windscreen washers and m=
irrors, for example, were usually done by the dealer.
>> Did the production line have branches off the main line at certain stages=
 and then they would merge back on the main line? Or were the cars lifted of=
f the line with some crane?
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Small correction, Don. Screen washers were a=
 legal requirement in most world markets and for those countries that didn=E2=
=80=99t specify them, they got them anyway. A normal line fitted item.<div><=
br></div><div>Jonmac<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">At th=
e Battle of Waterloo, 1815:<div>Lord Uxbridge: &nbsp;=E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - I=
=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=E2=80=9D</div><div>Duke of Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy G=
od, Sir - so you have!=E2=80=9D</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br>On 4 Jun 2020, at 19:24, Don Hiscock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:don.hiscock@gm=
ail.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Here's what part of the Coventry pr=
oduction lines looked like in 1958.&nbsp; Maybe this will give some insight i=
nto how things were done.&nbsp; It's clear S-T campaigned body colors, and p=
ossibly interior colors too.<div><a href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photo=
s/i-Zq7NRxF/0/3dfea902/O/i-Zq7NRxF.jpg" target=3D"_blank">https://photos.smu=
gmug.com/photos/i-Zq7NRxF/0/3dfea902/O/i-Zq7NRxF.jpg</a></div><div><a href=3D=
"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3c968hL/0/e52b3d42/O/i-3c968hL.jpg" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3c968hL/0/e52b3d42/O/i-3c=
968hL.jpg</a></div><div><a href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-n5fdG=
BR/0/48115ef0/O/i-n5fdGBR.jpg" target=3D"_blank">https://photos.smugmug.com/=
photos/i-n5fdGBR/0/48115ef0/O/i-n5fdGBR.jpg</a></div><div><a href=3D"https:/=
/photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9RpSbmS/0/9d49a652/O/i-9RpSbmS.jpg" target=3D"_=
blank">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9RpSbmS/0/9d49a652/O/i-9RpSbmS.jp=
g</a></div><div><br></div><div>Jonmac and I were having&nbsp;an email conver=
sation about some of the regional customization the other day (around lighti=
ng regulation differences across the continent in the day) that might be rel=
evant here,&nbsp;too.&nbsp; John noted that customization could be done in l=
ine production, in Sales Conversion, off-line before dispatch by train, or b=
y the selling dealer.&nbsp; Where options were added relate to how deep they=
're built into the car.&nbsp; Adjustable steering on a sidescreen car would o=
bviously be done on the line.&nbsp; Windscreen washers and mirrors, for exam=
ple, were usually done by the dealer.</div><div><br></div><div>Don</div><div=
>Saint Louis<br><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:46 PM Sujit Ro=
y &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">triumphstag=
@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I'm just&nbsp;wondering&nbsp;how the factory added o=
ptions to cars.<div>Did the production&nbsp;line have branches off the main l=
ine at certain stages and then they would merge back on the main line? Or we=
re the cars lifted off the line with some crane?</div><div>Sujit</div><div><=
br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v>Sujit Roy<br>Cupertino, California</div><div><br><a href=3D"https://triump=
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John, I've thought about, and laughed, at your memory of that "three door"
Toledo, the right-left Herald, and the wire-disk Spit.  Truly funny.
Knowing how eager S-T were to sell car, I'd be willing to bet at least two
of those were sold on.  Heck, maybe all three.

Sidescreen TRs in the US have all kinds of variations in windscreen
washers.  Some never had their dash blanking panel pierced for where a
switch usually went.  I'd have believed all cars got nozzles mounted to the
scuttle, but I didn't know all cars got washers.

The 1956 09 S-T accessories brochure still shows windscreen washers as an
option, but they note even then they were rapidly becoming an essential.
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BR,

Don

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wrote:

> Small correction, Don. Screen washers were a legal requirement in most
> world markets and for those countries that didn=E2=80=99t specify them, t=
hey got
> them anyway. A normal line fitted item.
>
> Jonmac
>
> customization the other day (around lighting regulation differences acros=
s
> off-line before dispatch by train, or by the selling dealer.  Where optio=
ns
>> Did the production line have branches off the main line at certain stage=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">John, I&#39;ve thought about, and laughed, at your memory =
of that &quot;three door&quot; Toledo, the right-left Herald, and the wire-=
disk Spit.=C2=A0 Truly funny.=C2=A0 Knowing how eager S-T were to sell car,=
 I&#39;d be willing to bet at least two of those were sold on.=C2=A0 Heck, =
maybe all three.<div><br></div><div>Sidescreen TRs in the US have all kinds=
 of variations in windscreen washers.=C2=A0 Some never had their dash blank=
ing panel pierced for where a switch usually went.=C2=A0 I&#39;d have belie=
ved all cars got nozzles mounted to the scuttle, but I didn&#39;t know all =
cars got washers.</div><div><br></div><div>The 1956 09 S-T accessories broc=
hure still shows windscreen washers as an option, but they note even then t=
hey were rapidly becoming an essential.</div><div><a href=3D"https://photos=
.smugmug.com/photos/i-vncLKFm/1/3100b418/O/i-vncLKFm.jpg">https://photos.sm=
ugmug.com/photos/i-vncLKFm/1/3100b418/O/i-vncLKFm.jpg</a><br></div><div><br=
></div><div>BR,</div><div><br></div><div>Don</div></div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 1:=
52 PM John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Jo=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Small correction, Don. Screen w=
ashers were a legal requirement in most world markets and for those countri=
es that didn=E2=80=99t specify them, they got them anyway. A normal line fi=
tted item.<div><br></div><div>Jonmac<br><br><div id=3D"gmail-m_-58503190722=
34258843AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:<di=
v>Lord Uxbridge: =C2=A0=E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=E2=
=80=9D</div><div>Duke of Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - so you have!=E2=
=80=9D</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 4 Jun 2020, at 19:=
24, Don Hiscock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Here&#39;s what part of the Coventry=
 production lines looked like in 1958.=C2=A0 Maybe this will give some insi=
ght into how things were done.=C2=A0 It&#39;s clear S-T campaigned body col=
ors, and possibly interior colors too.<div><a href=3D"https://photos.smugmu=
g.com/photos/i-Zq7NRxF/0/3dfea902/O/i-Zq7NRxF.jpg" target=3D"_blank">https:=
//photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Zq7NRxF/0/3dfea902/O/i-Zq7NRxF.jpg</a></div><=
div><a href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3c968hL/0/e52b3d42/O/i-3=
c968hL.jpg" target=3D"_blank">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3c968hL/0=
/e52b3d42/O/i-3c968hL.jpg</a></div><div><a href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.c=
om/photos/i-n5fdGBR/0/48115ef0/O/i-n5fdGBR.jpg" target=3D"_blank">https://p=
hotos.smugmug.com/photos/i-n5fdGBR/0/48115ef0/O/i-n5fdGBR.jpg</a></div><div=
><a href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9RpSbmS/0/9d49a652/O/i-9RpS=
bmS.jpg" target=3D"_blank">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9RpSbmS/0/9d=
49a652/O/i-9RpSbmS.jpg</a></div><div><br></div><div>Jonmac and I were havin=
g=C2=A0an email conversation about some of the regional customization the o=
ther day (around lighting regulation differences across the continent in th=
e day) that might be relevant here,=C2=A0too.=C2=A0 John noted that customi=
zation could be done in line production, in Sales Conversion, off-line befo=
re dispatch by train, or by the selling dealer.=C2=A0 Where options were ad=
ded relate to how deep they&#39;re built into the car.=C2=A0 Adjustable ste=
ering on a sidescreen car would obviously be done on the line.=C2=A0 Windsc=
reen washers and mirrors, for example, were usually done by the dealer.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Don</div><div>Saint Louis<br><div><br></div></div></d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:46 PM Sujit Roy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphstag@gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-le=
ft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;m ju=
st=C2=A0wondering=C2=A0how the factory added options to cars.<div>Did the p=
roduction=C2=A0line have branches off the main line at certain stages and t=
hen they would merge back on the main line? Or were the cars lifted off the=
 line with some crane?</div><div>Sujit</div><div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br=
></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Sujit Roy<br>Cupertino=
, California</div><div><br><a href=3D"https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com=
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From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 22:52:28 +0100

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Don,

I do know the Herald and the Toledo went in the crusher. The cost of rectify=
ing the Herald exceeded the cost of materials and direct labour to make it. T=
he Toledo as well. With a spot welded monocoque body done in a jig, you don=E2=
=80=99t have much choice but to throw it out.

The Spitfire is a slightly longer story. It escaped from the factory as it h=
ad been built and even got through the pre delivery check at the selling dea=
ler. Reason? The dealer only got five pounds to do the check so released the=
 car to the customer AND charged him for the wire wheels he hadn=E2=80=99t o=
rdered and didn=E2=80=99t want with the promise they would sort it out at th=
e free first service at 1000 miles. Two days later, customer turns up at BL H=
ead office seeking to tell the CEO what he thought. I was the CEOs PA for co=
nsumer issues so it fell to me to sort it all out. He took me downstairs to s=
ee the car and I was so amazed to see it as it was, that I laughed. Not a go=
od idea because the owner was more than piddled off and he hit me so hard on=
 the jaw, I landed on the pavement. I got it all sorted out (the car) very q=
uickly and customer was happy to have three months free fuel as a goodwill g=
esture. Fast forward forty years to my time at the BMIHT museum and I met th=
e owner again gazing wistfully at the last Spitfire off the line and we star=
ted chatting. Didn=E2=80=99t take too long to realise this was the guy who h=
ad hit me. Once reacquainted, He insisted on buying me a slap up lunch that v=
ery day and we departed in his version of the worlds most popular taxi (Merc=
edes) thoiugh to be fair, it wasn=E2=80=99t a 2400cc diesel.

We had a truly great afternoon and I returned to work well fed and even more=
 well lubricated at about 4.30pm. However, explaining my absence to an irate=
 female Managing Director about my tardiness did nothing to convince her I w=
as being truthful. That=E2=80=99s why I=E2=80=99m SO glad I no longer have a=
nything to do with the motor industry any more. It was fun in those days, bu=
t not now. Different people, different ethos and product that in most cases i=
s boringly reliable, too well made and can only be worked on with a diagnost=
ic plug.

Cheers, John

> On 4 Jun 2020, at 20:12, Don Hiscock <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> John, I've thought about, and laughed, at your memory of that "three door"=
 Toledo, the right-left Herald, and the wire-disk Spit.  Truly funny.  Knowi=
ng how eager S-T were to sell car, I'd be willing to bet at least two of tho=
se were sold on.  Heck, maybe all three.
>=20
> Sidescreen TRs in the US have all kinds of variations in windscreen washer=
s.  Some never had their dash blanking panel pierced for where a switch usua=
lly went.  I'd have believed all cars got nozzles mounted to the scuttle, bu=
t I didn't know all cars got washers.
>=20
> The 1956 09 S-T accessories brochure still shows windscreen washers as an o=
ption, but they note even then they were rapidly becoming an essential.
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 1:52 PM John Macartney <[email-masked].=
uk> wrote:
>> Small correction, Don. Screen washers were a legal requirement in most wo=
rld markets and for those countries that didn=E2=80=99t specify them, they g=
ot them anyway. A normal line fitted item.
>>> Here's what part of the Coventry production lines looked like in 1958.  M=
aybe this will give some insight into how things were done.  It's clear S-T c=
ampaigned body colors, and possibly interior colors too.
>>> Jonmac and I were having an email conversation about some of the regiona=
l customization the other day (around lighting regulation differences across=
 the continent in the day) that might be relevant here, too.  John noted tha=
t customization could be done in line production, in Sales Conversion, off-l=
ine before dispatch by train, or by the selling dealer.  Where options were a=
dded relate to how deep they're built into the car.  Adjustable steering on a=
 sidescreen car would obviously be done on the line.  Windscreen washers and=
 mirrors, for example, were usually done by the dealer.
>>>=20
>>> Don
>>> Saint Louis
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:46 PM Sujit Roy <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>>>> Did the production line have branches off the main line at certain stag=
es and then they would merge back on the main line? Or were the cars lifted o=
ff the line with some crane?
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Don,<div><br></div><div>I do know the Heral=
d and the Toledo went in the crusher. The cost of rectifying the Herald exce=
eded the cost of materials and direct labour to make it. The Toledo as well.=
 With a spot welded monocoque body done in a jig, you don=E2=80=99t have muc=
h choice but to throw it out.</div><div><br></div><div>The Spitfire is a sli=
ghtly longer story. It escaped from the factory as it had been built and eve=
n got through the pre delivery check at the selling dealer. Reason? The deal=
er only got five pounds to do the check so released the car to the customer A=
ND charged him for the wire wheels he hadn=E2=80=99t ordered and didn=E2=80=99=
t want with the promise they would sort it out at the free first service at 1=
000 miles. Two days later, customer turns up at BL Head office seeking to te=
ll the CEO what he thought. I was the CEOs PA for consumer issues so it fell=
 to me to sort it all out. He took me downstairs to see the car and I was so=
 amazed to see it as it was, that I laughed. Not a good idea because the own=
er was more than piddled off and he hit me so hard on the jaw, I landed on t=
he pavement. I got it all sorted out (the car) very quickly and customer was=
 happy to have three months free fuel as a goodwill gesture. Fast forward fo=
rty years to my time at the BMIHT museum and I met the owner again gazing wi=
stfully at the last Spitfire off the line and we started chatting. Didn=E2=80=
=99t take too long to realise this was the guy who had hit me. Once reacquai=
nted, He insisted on buying me a slap up lunch that very day and we departed=
 in his version of the worlds most popular taxi (Mercedes) thoiugh to be fai=
r, it wasn=E2=80=99t a 2400cc diesel.</div><div><br></div><div>We had a trul=
y great afternoon and I returned to work well fed and even more well lubrica=
ted at about 4.30pm. However, explaining my absence to an irate female Manag=
ing Director about my tardiness did nothing to convince her I was being trut=
hful. That=E2=80=99s why I=E2=80=99m SO glad I no longer have anything to do=
 with the motor industry any more. It was fun in those days, but not now. Di=
fferent people, different ethos and product that in most cases is boringly r=
eliable, too well made and can only be worked on with a diagnostic plug.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Cheers, John</div><div><br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSig=
nature" dir=3D"ltr">At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:<div>Lord Uxbridge: &nbs=
p;=E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=E2=80=9D</div><div>Duke of=
 Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - so you have!=E2=80=9D</div><div><br></di=
v></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 4 Jun 2020, at 20:12, Don Hiscock &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">John, I=
've thought about, and laughed, at your memory of that "three door" Toledo, t=
he right-left Herald, and the wire-disk Spit.&nbsp; Truly funny.&nbsp; Knowi=
ng how eager S-T were to sell car, I'd be willing to bet at least two of tho=
se were sold on.&nbsp; Heck, maybe all three.<div><br></div><div>Sidescreen T=
Rs in the US have all kinds of variations in windscreen washers.&nbsp; Some n=
ever had their dash blanking panel pierced for where a switch usually went.&=
nbsp; I'd have believed all cars got nozzles mounted to the scuttle, but I d=
idn't know all cars got washers.</div><div><br></div><div>The 1956 09 S-T ac=
cessories brochure still shows windscreen washers as an option, but they not=
e even then they were rapidly becoming an essential.</div><div><a href=3D"ht=
tps://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-vncLKFm/1/3100b418/O/i-vncLKFm.jpg">https:=
//photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-vncLKFm/1/3100b418/O/i-vncLKFm.jpg</a><br></di=
v><div><br></div><div>BR,</div><div><br></div><div>Don</div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 4, 20=
20 at 1:52 PM John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
.uk">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Small correction, Don. Screen=
 washers were a legal requirement in most world markets and for those countr=
ies that didn=E2=80=99t specify them, they got them anyway. A normal line fi=
tted item.<div><br></div><div>Jonmac<br><br><div id=3D"gmail-m_-585031907223=
4258843AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:<div>=
Lord Uxbridge: &nbsp;=E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=E2=80=9D=
</div><div>Duke of Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - so you have!=E2=80=9D<=
/div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 4 Jun 2020, at 19:24, Don H=
iscock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">don.hi=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Here's what part of the Coventry production line=
s looked like in 1958.&nbsp; Maybe this will give some insight into how thin=
gs were done.&nbsp; It's clear S-T campaigned body colors, and possibly inte=
rior colors too.<div><a href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Zq7NRxF/=
0/3dfea902/O/i-Zq7NRxF.jpg" target=3D"_blank">https://photos.smugmug.com/pho=
tos/i-Zq7NRxF/0/3dfea902/O/i-Zq7NRxF.jpg</a></div><div><a href=3D"https://ph=
otos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3c968hL/0/e52b3d42/O/i-3c968hL.jpg" target=3D"_bla=
nk">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3c968hL/0/e52b3d42/O/i-3c968hL.jpg</=
a></div><div><a href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-n5fdGBR/0/48115e=
f0/O/i-n5fdGBR.jpg" target=3D"_blank">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-n5=
fdGBR/0/48115ef0/O/i-n5fdGBR.jpg</a></div><div><a href=3D"https://photos.smu=
gmug.com/photos/i-9RpSbmS/0/9d49a652/O/i-9RpSbmS.jpg" target=3D"_blank">http=
s://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9RpSbmS/0/9d49a652/O/i-9RpSbmS.jpg</a></div>=
<div><br></div><div>Jonmac and I were having&nbsp;an email conversation abou=
t some of the regional customization the other day (around lighting regulati=
on differences across the continent in the day) that might be relevant here,=
&nbsp;too.&nbsp; John noted that customization could be done in line product=
ion, in Sales Conversion, off-line before dispatch by train, or by the selli=
ng dealer.&nbsp; Where options were added relate to how deep they're built i=
nto the car.&nbsp; Adjustable steering on a sidescreen car would obviously b=
e done on the line.&nbsp; Windscreen washers and mirrors, for example, were u=
sually done by the dealer.</div><div><br></div><div>Don</div><div>Saint Loui=
s<br><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"l=
tr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:46 PM Sujit Roy &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">I'm just&nbsp;wondering&nbsp;how the factory added options to c=
ars.<div>Did the production&nbsp;line have branches off the main line at cer=
tain stages and then they would merge back on the main line? Or were the car=
s lifted off the line with some crane?</div><div>Sujit</div><div><br clear=3D=
"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Sujit Roy=
<br>Cupertino, California</div><div><br><a href=3D"https://triumphstagblog.w=
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