Subject: Re: [TR] TR7/TR8 blinker question

From: <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 16:36:04 -0700

Jim,

If its like other TR's (6's, Spitfires, etc.) then you have to use a lucas
thermal flasher unit.  

The canister ones at the local parts store look similar, but  the thermal
bits inside are not the same, and will cause problems similar to what you
are describing.

There was also a recent string here on the late spitfire hazard switches,
which everything run through  on the late cars causing problems

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To: 'Triumphs' <[email-masked]>
Subject: [TR] TR7/TR8 blinker question

Low mileage (18k) 81 TR8.  Hasn't been run much.  Beginning my regular
exercise schedule on the car and notice the blinkers are working
intermittently on both sides. Four way flasher work perfectly.  When blinker
does come on it is not a consistent pattern like the flashers.  Three fast
blinks two slow  then nothing.    Right now in garage I'm getting nothing.
I'm thinking it is an electrical  connection or contact point.  Any
recommendations on best place to start.  All four bulbs working on flashers
and other lights work too.  
Thanks,
Jim Henningsen
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6
81 TR8
82 Jeep CJ8 (Looking for a new home) 

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Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 19:42:50 -0700

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Jaguars of the same vintage used separate flasher units for the turn
signals and the hazard lights (same bulbs of course).

Just something to consider if you haven't checked.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Jaguars of the same vintage used separate flasher units fo=
r the turn signals and the hazard lights (same bulbs of course).<div><br></=
div><div>Just something to consider if you haven&#39;t checked.</div></div>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat=
, May 23, 2020 at 4:33 PM Jim Henningsen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:trguy75@gmai=
l.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex">Low mileage (18k) 81 TR8.=C2=A0 Hasn&#39;t been run=
 much.=C2=A0 Beginning my regular<br>
exercise schedule on the car and notice the blinkers are working<br>
intermittently on both sides. Four way flasher work perfectly.=C2=A0 When b=
linker<br>
does come on it is not a consistent pattern like the flashers.=C2=A0 Three =
fast<br>
blinks two slow=C2=A0 then nothing.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Right now in garage I&#39;=
m getting nothing.<br>
I&#39;m thinking it is an electrical=C2=A0 connection or contact point.=C2=
=A0 Any<br>
recommendations on best place to start.=C2=A0 All four bulbs working on fla=
shers<br>
and other lights work too.=C2=A0 <br>
Thanks,<br>
Jim Henningsen<br>
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62 TR4<br>
75 TR6<br>
81 TR8<br>
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From: Paul Tegler <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 22:48:06 -0400

single flasher? (two)
yes the Spit (late model) switch can be a problem as you very rarely if 
ever use it. so the contact tarnish.
cycle the switch 1/2 dozen or so times to wipe/clean the contacts and 
re-test.

The thermal flasher you are using sounds like the issue...emergency 
flashers you're powering all the lights so more current flowing through 
the flasher.
with turns only (one side), the lower load is not enough to heat and 
switch the flasher element.

Simple fix... go to an electronic flasher. The only difference is you 
need to add a third connection to the flasher .. a ground connection.
The electronic versions do not rely on current flow to flash, rather 
internal circuitry to toggle back and forth (on/off)

Some will of course say the downside is the flasher will flash (you'll 
hear it) even if all the bulbs are burned out.

ptegler

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Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 08:16:11 -0400

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Thanks.  Dig out the electrical diagram and repair manual.   Turn signal fla=
sher Relay should be under drivers side dash and hazard flasher under glove b=
ox.  I=E2=80=99ll check turn signal flasher and see what I find.  Will keep l=
ist posted. Probably bad flasher unit.  Hoping one is available somewhere.  J=
im

> On May 23, 2020, at 10:43 PM, Geo Hahn <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Jaguars of the same vintage used separate flasher units for the turn signa=
ls and the hazard lights (same bulbs of course).
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>=20
>> On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 4:33 PM Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>> intermittently on both sides. Four way flasher work perfectly.  When blin=
ker
>> does come on it is not a consistent pattern like the flashers.  Three fas=
t
>> blinks two slow  then nothing.    Right now in garage I'm getting nothing=
.
>> recommendations on best place to start.  All four bulbs working on flashe=
rs
>> and other lights work too. =20
>> Thanks,
>> Jim Henningsen
>> 61 TR3A
>> 62 TR4
>> 75 TR6
>> 81 TR8
>> 82 Jeep CJ8 (Looking for a new home)=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks. &nbsp;Dig out the e=
lectrical diagram and repair manual. &nbsp; Turn signal flasher Relay should=
 be under drivers side dash and hazard flasher under glove box. &nbsp;I=E2=80=
=99ll check turn signal flasher and see what I find. &nbsp;Will keep list po=
sted. Probably bad flasher unit. &nbsp;Hoping one is available somewhere. &n=
bsp;Jim</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 23, 2020,=
 at 10:43 PM, Geo Hahn &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquo=
te></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr=
">Jaguars of the same vintage used separate flasher units for the turn signa=
ls and the hazard lights (same bulbs of course).<div><br></div><div>Just som=
ething to consider if you haven't checked.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 4:33 P=
M Jim Henningsen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Low=
 mileage (18k) 81 TR8.&nbsp; Hasn't been run much.&nbsp; Beginning my regula=
r<br>
exercise schedule on the car and notice the blinkers are working<br>
intermittently on both sides. Four way flasher work perfectly.&nbsp; When bl=
inker<br>
does come on it is not a consistent pattern like the flashers.&nbsp; Three f=
ast<br>
blinks two slow&nbsp; then nothing.&nbsp; &nbsp; Right now in garage I'm get=
ting nothing.<br>
I'm thinking it is an electrical&nbsp; connection or contact point.&nbsp; An=
y<br>
recommendations on best place to start.&nbsp; All four bulbs working on flas=
hers<br>
and other lights work too.&nbsp; <br>
Thanks,<br>
Jim Henningsen<br>
61 TR3A<br>
62 TR4<br>
75 TR6<br>
81 TR8<br>
82 Jeep CJ8 (Looking for a new home) <br>
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 12:42:57 +0000 (UTC)

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 As does the TR8.=C2=A0 Heck even the TR250 has separate flashers for the t=
urn and hazard lamps.=C2=A0 Since the turn signals only work when the key i=
s ON but the hazards must work regardless they get their power from differe=
nt sources.=C2=A0 Using two flasher units simplifies the wiring.

As I recall the turn signal flasher is mounted behind the instrument panel =
and the hazard flasher is in the passenger footwell, but I might have that =
reversed.
Standard troubleshooting procedures apply.=C2=A0 If both sides are acting t=
he same way look at the parts of the circuit that are common to both.=C2=A0=
 That would be the flasher and the hazard switch (since the hazard switch c=
onnects the lamps to either circuit).=C2=A0 A dodgy contact in that switch =
can cause these symptoms.=C2=A0 The turn signals draw their power from the =
same fuse as the wipers so if the wipers work the fuse is good.
=20
Dave=20

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=20
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From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
To: Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]>
Cc: Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sat, May 23, 2020 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] TR7/TR8 blinker question

Jaguars of the same vintage used separate flasher units for the turn signal=
s and the hazard lights (same bulbs of course).
Just something to consider if you haven't checked.
On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 4:33 PM Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]> wrote:

Low mileage (18k) 81 TR8.=C2=A0 Hasn't been run much.=C2=A0 Beginning my re=
gular
exercise schedule on the car and notice the blinkers are working
intermittently on both sides. Four way flasher work perfectly.=C2=A0 When b=
linker
does come on it is not a consistent pattern like the flashers.=C2=A0 Three =
fast
blinks two slow=C2=A0 then nothing.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Right now in garage I'm ge=
tting nothing.
I'm thinking it is an electrical=C2=A0 connection or contact point.=C2=A0 A=
ny
recommendations on best place to start.=C2=A0 All four bulbs working on fla=
shers
and other lights work too.=C2=A0=20
Thanks,
Jim Henningsen
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6
81 TR8
82 Jeep CJ8 (Looking for a new home)=20

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<div> <font size="3">As does the TR8.&nbsp; Heck even the TR250 has separate flashers for the turn and hazard lamps.&nbsp; Since the turn signals only work when the key is ON but the hazards must work regardless they get their power from different sources.&nbsp; Using two flasher units simplifies the wiring.<br>
</font></div>

<div><font size="3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size="3">As I recall the turn signal flasher is mounted behind the instrument panel and the hazard flasher is in the passenger footwell, but I might have that reversed.</font></div>

<div><font size="3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size="3">Standard troubleshooting procedures apply.&nbsp; If both sides are acting the same way look at the parts of the circuit that are common to both.&nbsp; That would be the flasher and the hazard switch (since the hazard switch connects the lamps to either circuit).&nbsp; A dodgy contact in that switch can cause these symptoms.&nbsp; The turn signals draw their power from the same fuse as the wipers so if the wipers work the fuse is good.</font><br>
</div>

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</div>

<div style="clear:both"><font size="4">Dave </font><br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Geo Hahn &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Jim Henningsen &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Sat, May 23, 2020 9:42 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR7/TR8 blinker question<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Jaguars of the same vintage used separate flasher units for the turn signals and the hazard lights (same bulbs of course).
<div><br clear="none"></div>

<div>Just something to consider if you haven't checked.</div>
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<div class="yiv6691453318gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 4:33 PM Jim Henningsen &lt;<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear="none"></div>
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<div class="yiv6691453318yqt1541315874" id="yiv6691453318yqtfd91137">Low mileage (18k) 81 TR8.&nbsp; Hasn't been run much.&nbsp; Beginning my regular<br clear="none">
exercise schedule on the car and notice the blinkers are working<br clear="none">
intermittently on both sides. Four way flasher work perfectly.&nbsp; When blinker<br clear="none">
does come on it is not a consistent pattern like the flashers.&nbsp; Three fast<br clear="none">
blinks two slow&nbsp; then nothing.&nbsp; &nbsp; Right now in garage I'm getting nothing.<br clear="none">
I'm thinking it is an electrical&nbsp; connection or contact point.&nbsp; Any<br clear="none">
recommendations on best place to start.&nbsp; All four bulbs working on flashers<br clear="none">
and other lights work too.&nbsp; <br clear="none">
Thanks,<br clear="none">
Jim Henningsen<br clear="none">
61 TR3A<br clear="none">
62 TR4<br clear="none">
75 TR6<br clear="none">
81 TR8<br clear="none">
82 Jeep CJ8 (Looking for a new home) <br clear="none">
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