Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 to TR3 Transition Question

From: John Linney <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 15:32:26 -0700

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This is a great resource. Early TR3s had the =E2=80=98egg-box=E2=80=99 grill=
 small mouth.

http://www.nostalgicbritishcars.com/pdf/TR2-4A.pdf

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nd then went with the new stuff.
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">This is a great resource. Early TR3s had th=
e =E2=80=98egg-box=E2=80=99 grill small mouth.<div><br></div><div><a href=3D=
"http://www.nostalgicbritishcars.com/pdf/TR2-4A.pdf">http://www.nostalgicbri=
tishcars.com/pdf/TR2-4A.pdf</a></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 15, 2020, at 3:27 PM, jpaynep=
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Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 20:17:40 -0400

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Hello Jonas: I have a supposedly '55 TR2, with comm. no.4928, so would 
doubt the year for sure. Mine, judging by the comm. nos. was likely 
built in '54. Looking at the Triumph build data, that serial no is for 
and early '3, likely built in '56 ?? Sure it wasn't an egg crate TR3 
grille? The nose sections for '2 & '3 are identical AFAIK; the grilles & 
surrounds differ. Should look for other evidence. Disc brakes? Door 
handles? Rear deck details?

Cheers!

Angelo Graham

Waterloo, ON

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    <p>Hello Jonas: I have a supposedly '55 TR2, with comm. no.4928, so
      would doubt the year for sure. Mine, judging by the comm. nos. was
      likely built in '54. Looking at the Triumph build data, that
      serial no is for and early '3, likely built in '56 ?? Sure it
      wasn't an egg crate TR3 grille? The nose sections for '2 &amp; '3
      are identical AFAIK; the grilles &amp; surrounds differ. Should
      look for other evidence. Disc brakes? Door handles? Rear deck
      details?<br>
    </p>
    <p>Cheers!</p>
    <p>Angelo Graham</p>
    <p>Waterloo, ON<br>
    </p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Interestingly, the car had a TR2 nose and
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I’m curious as to whether or not it is
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          just kept using parts until they ran out and then went with
          the new stuff.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Any input would be appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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The TR3 apron would have extra openings at the top inside of the opening for=
 the grill for extra cooling to the engine compartment, where on the TR2 the=
 opening was completely enclosed all the way to the egg crate grill.  TR3s s=
hould have holes for the forward mounting grill.  I think that some later TR=
2 aprons may have had trim partly, I think 3/4 surrounding the grill opening=
.  You may find evidence of these trim fitting holes filled. =20
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>The TR3 apron would have extra opening=
s at the top inside of the opening for the grill for extra cooling to the en=
gine compartment, where on the TR2 the opening was completely enclosed all t=
he way to the egg crate grill. &nbsp;TR3s should have holes for the forward m=
ounting grill. &nbsp;I think that some later TR2 aprons may have had trim pa=
rtly, I think 3/4 surrounding the grill opening. &nbsp;You may find evidence=
 of these trim fitting holes filled. &nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignatu=
re">Dave H.<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On May 15, 2020, at 3:11 P=
M, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; &lt;<a=
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umber, 9046.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">Interestingly, the car had a TR2 nose and grill.<o:p></o:p=
=80=99m curious as to whether or not it is cobbled together or whether in ty=
pical Triumph fashion, they just kept using parts until they ran out and the=
n went with the new stuff.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Any input would be appreciated.<o:p></o:p></=
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There were scalloped cut outside top tight and left on the apron.  Photos a=
nd a feel up and around indicate no filler.  Typically there is a worm or b=
ooger on a filled hole?  Rivets on the commission plate didnt look right.  =
Could be a late TR2 with an early TR3 plate?

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Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 to TR3 Transition Question

The TR3 apron would have extra openings at the top inside of the opening fo=
r the grill for extra cooling to the engine compartment, where on the TR2 t=
he opening was completely enclosed all the way to the egg crate grill.  TR3=
s should have holes for the forward mounting grill.  I think that some late=
r TR2 aprons may have had trim partly, I think 3/4 surrounding the grill op=
ening.  You may find evidence of these trim fitting holes filled.
Dave H.

Sent from my iPad

I looked at a =9255 TR3 today with a pretty early commission number, 9046.

I=92m curious as to whether or not it is cobbled together or whether in typ=
ical Triumph fashion, they just kept using parts until they ran out and the=
n went with the new stuff.

Thanks,

Jonas

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There were scalloped cut outside top tight and left on the apron.&nbsp; Pho=
tos and a feel up and around indicate no filler.&nbsp; Typically there is a=
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TR2 the opening was completely enclosed all the way to the egg crate grill.=
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had trim partly, I think 3/4 surrounding the grill opening. &nbsp;You may f=
ind evidence of these trim fitting holes filled. &nbsp;</div>
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Yes, that's correct. There were two large openings on the top/sides on a TR3=
 apron. If the filler was applied there could be worms, but that depends.  T=
hey could be carefully welded up.=20
DH

Sent from my iPad

> On May 15, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Jonas Payne <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
>=20
nd a feel up and around indicate no filler.  Typically there is a worm or bo=
oger on a filled hole?  Rivets on the commission plate didnt look right.  Co=
uld be a late TR2 with an early TR3 plate?
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or the grill for extra cooling to the engine compartment, where on the TR2 t=
he opening was completely enclosed all the way to the egg crate grill.  TR3s=
 should have holes for the forward mounting grill.  I think that some later T=
R2 aprons may have had trim partly, I think 3/4 surrounding the grill openin=
g.  You may find evidence of these trim fitting holes filled. =20
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>> I looked at a =E2=80=9955 TR3 today with a pretty early commission number=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Yes, that's correct. There were two la=
rge openings on the top/sides on a TR3 apron. If the filler was applied ther=
e could be worms, but that depends. &nbsp;They could be carefully welded up.=
&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">DH<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div>=
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There were scalloped cut outside top tight and left on the apron.&nbsp; Phot=
os and a feel up and around indicate no filler.&nbsp; Typically there is a w=
orm or booger on a filled hole?&nbsp; Rivets on the commission plate didnt l=
ook right.&nbsp; Could be a late TR2 with an early
 TR3 plate?<span id=3D"ms-outlook-android-cursor"></span><br>
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le=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Dave &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 15, 2020 6:31:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR2 to TR3 Transition Question</font>
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<div>The TR3 apron would have extra openings at the top inside of the openin=
g for the grill for extra cooling to the engine compartment, where on the TR=
2 the opening was completely enclosed all the way to the egg crate grill. &n=
bsp;TR3s should have holes for the
 forward mounting grill. &nbsp;I think that some later TR2 aprons may have h=
ad trim partly, I think 3/4 surrounding the grill opening. &nbsp;You may fin=
d evidence of these trim fitting holes filled. &nbsp;</div>
<div id=3D"x_AppleMailSignature">Dave H.<br>
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[email-masked]</a>&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
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Based on the quality of the remainder of the car I seriously doubt a qualit=
y weld up.   LOL.  To confirm, no scallops on the TR2 inner shroud?

________________________________
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Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 7:06:02 PM
To: Jonas Payne <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <triumph=
[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 to TR3 Transition Question

Yes, that's correct. There were two large openings on the top/sides on a TR=
3 apron. If the filler was applied there could be worms, but that depends. =
 They could be carefully welded up.
DH

Sent from my iPad

On May 15, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Jonas Payne <[email-masked]<=
mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:

[email-masked]>>

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Based on the quality of the remainder of the car I seriously d<span id=3D"m=
s-outlook-android-cursor"></span>oubt a quality weld up.&nbsp;&nbsp; LOL.&n=
bsp; To confirm, no scallops on the TR2 inner shroud?<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 15, 2020 7:06:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jonas Payne &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
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<div>Yes, that's correct. There were two large openings on the top/sides on=
 a TR3 apron. If the filler was applied there could be worms, but that depe=
nds. &nbsp;They could be carefully welded up.&nbsp;</div>
<div id=3D"x_AppleMailSignature">DH<br>
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Sent from my iPad</div>
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On May 15, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Jonas Payne &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jpayne@jpayn=
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There were scalloped cut outside top tight and left on the apron.&nbsp; Pho=
tos and a feel up and around indicate no filler.&nbsp; Typically there is a=
 worm or booger on a filled hole?&nbsp; Rivets on the commission plate didn=
t look right.&nbsp; Could be a late TR2 with an early
 TR3 plate?<span id=3D"x_ms-outlook-android-cursor"></span><br>
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"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 15, 2020 6:31:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
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et</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a>&gt;<br>
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<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
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<div>The TR3 apron would have extra openings at the top inside of the openi=
ng for the grill for extra cooling to the engine compartment, where on the =
TR2 the opening was completely enclosed all the way to the egg crate grill.=
 &nbsp;TR3s should have holes for the
 forward mounting grill. &nbsp;I think that some later TR2 aprons may have =
had trim partly, I think 3/4 surrounding the grill opening. &nbsp;You may f=
ind evidence of these trim fitting holes filled. &nbsp;</div>
<div id=3D"x_x_AppleMailSignature">Dave H.<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad</div>
<div><br>
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[email-masked]</a>&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">jpaynepbr@cox=
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Well, as far as I know there were no scallops on the TR2 aprons.  I have a =
long door TR2 that has the original apron and I have seen one other like th=
is on a TR2.  All of the TR3 aprons that I have seen had the scallops and h=
oles for the grill and or the forward trim surround.  I have seen a TR2 for=
 sale that the seller said had all TR2 sheet metal, but the apron had the s=
callops as well as worms hanging on the back side of the apron where there =
was quite obviously a TR3 grill and trim fitting holes.  In this case, it w=
as absolutely a TR3 apron fitted to a TR2 long door.  However, was there a =
sharing of panels between model production overlap?  I could not say for su=
re...I just know it's true.  The forward grill of the TR3 makes sense to ha=
ve the scallops behind the grill.  TR2s deep set egg crate grill would not =
provide the necessary protection of objects entering the engine compartment=
, like perhaps a sparrow, through the open scallops.  I have a couple beat =
up old TR3 aprons and they all have the same scallops and holes.  No worms =
though, but that sparrow would have certainly been drawn to them. =20
DH

> On May 15, 2020 at 7:33 PM Jonas Payne <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
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>     Based on the quality of the remainder of the car I seriously d oubt a=
 quality weld up.   LOL.  To confirm, no scallops on the TR2 inner shroud?
>=20
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>     Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <t=
[email-masked]>
>     Yes, that's correct. There were two large openings on the top/sides o=
n a TR3 apron. If the filler was applied there could be worms, but that dep=
ends.  They could be carefully welded up.=20
>     DH
>=20
>     Sent from my iPad
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>     On May 15, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Jonas Payne < [email-masked]=
ft.com mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
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>         > >         There were scalloped cut outside top tight and left o=
n the apron.  Photos and a feel up and around indicate no filler.  Typicall=
y there is a worm or booger on a filled hole?  Rivets on the commission pla=
te didnt look right.  Could be a late TR2 with an early TR3 plate?
> >=20
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> >         Cc: [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] <tri=
[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] >
> >         The TR3 apron would have extra openings at the top inside of th=
e opening for the grill for extra cooling to the engine compartment, where =
on the TR2 the opening was completely enclosed all the way to the egg crate=
 grill.  TR3s should have holes for the forward mounting grill.  I think th=
at some later TR2 aprons may have had trim partly, I think 3/4 surrounding =
the grill opening.  You may find evidence of these trim fitting holes fille=
d. =20
> >         Dave H.
> >=20
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[email-masked] > < [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
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ommission number, 9046.
> > >             I=E2=80=99m curious as to whether or not it is cobbled to=
gether or whether in typical Triumph fashion, they just kept using parts un=
til they ran out and then went with the new stuff.
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 have a long door TR2 that has the original apron and I have seen one other=
 like this on a TR2.&nbsp; All of the TR3 aprons that I have seen had the s=
callops and holes for the grill and or the forward trim surround.&nbsp; I h=
ave seen a TR2 for sale that the seller said had all TR2 sheet metal, but t=
he apron had the scallops as well as worms hanging on the back side of the =
apron where there was quite obviously a TR3 grill and trim fitting holes.&n=
bsp; In this case, it was absolutely a TR3 apron fitted to a TR2 long door.=
&nbsp; However, was there a sharing of panels between model production over=
lap?&nbsp; I could not say for sure...I just know it's true.&nbsp; The forw=
ard grill of the TR3 makes sense to have the scallops behind the grill.&nbs=
p; TR2s deep set egg crate grill would not provide the necessary protection=
 of objects entering the engine compartment, like perhaps a sparrow, throug=
h the open scallops.&nbsp; I have a couple beat up old TR3 aprons and they =
all have the same scallops and holes.&nbsp; No worms though, but that sparr=
ow would have certainly been drawn to them.&nbsp;&nbsp;
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   On May 15, 2020 at 7:33 PM Jonas Payne &lt;[email-masked].=
com&gt; wrote:=20
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    Based on the quality of the remainder of the car I seriously d=20
    <span id=3D"ox-c8c853460f-ms-outlook-android-cursor"></span>oubt a qual=
ity weld up.&nbsp;&nbsp; LOL.&nbsp; To confirm, no scallops on the TR2 inne=
r shroud?=20
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serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black;" dir=3D"auto">
     Get=20
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    <span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: #000000; font-family: Calibri, s=
ans-serif;"><strong>From:</strong> Dave &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br> <st=
rong>Sent:</strong> Friday, May 15, 2020 7:06:02 PM<br> <strong>To:</strong=
> Jonas Payne &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br> <strong>Cc:</str=
ong> [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked] &=
lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br> <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TR] TR2 t=
o TR3 Transition Question</span>
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     Yes, that's correct. There were two large openings on the top/sides on=
 a TR3 apron. If the filler was applied there could be worms, but that depe=
nds. &nbsp;They could be carefully welded up.&nbsp;
    </div>DH=20
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    <br> Sent from my iPad
    <div>
     <br> On May 15, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Jonas Payne &lt;=20
     <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
nmicrosoft.com</a>&gt; wrote:=20
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       There were scalloped cut outside top tight and left on the apron.&nb=
sp; Photos and a feel up and around indicate no filler.&nbsp; Typically the=
re is a worm or booger on a filled hole?&nbsp; Rivets on the commission pla=
te didnt look right.&nbsp; Could be a late TR2 with an early TR3 plate?=20
       <span id=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_ms-outlook-android-cursor"></span>=20
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ns-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black;" dir=3D"auto">
        Get=20
        <a href=3D"https://aka.ms/ghei36">Outlook for Android</a>
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       <span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: #000000; font-family: Calibri=
, sans-serif;"><strong>From:</strong> Dave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dlhogye@co=
mcast.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br> <strong>Sent:</strong> Friday, M=
ay 15, 2020 6:31:23 PM<br> <strong>To:</strong> <a href=3D"mailto:jpaynepbr=
@cox.net">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">jp=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br> <strong>Cc:</strong> <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs=
@autox.team.net">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs=
@autox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br> <strong>Subject:</stro=
ng> Re: [TR] TR2 to TR3 Transition Question</span>
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        The TR3 apron would have extra openings at the top inside of the op=
ening for the grill for extra cooling to the engine compartment, where on t=
he TR2 the opening was completely enclosed all the way to the egg crate gri=
ll. &nbsp;TR3s should have holes for the forward mounting grill. &nbsp;I th=
ink that some later TR2 aprons may have had trim partly, I think 3/4 surrou=
nding the grill opening. &nbsp;You may find evidence of these trim fitting =
holes filled. &nbsp;
       </div>Dave H.=20
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        <br> On May 15, 2020, at 3:11 PM, &lt;=20
        <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; &lt;=
=20
        <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:=20
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         <div class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_WordSection1">
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">I looked at a =E2=80=995=
5 TR3 today with a pretty early commission number, 9046.</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">Interestingly, the car h=
ad a TR2 nose and grill.</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m curious as t=
o whether or not it is cobbled together or whether in typical Triumph fashi=
on, they just kept using parts until they ran out and then went with the ne=
w stuff.</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">Any input would be appre=
ciated.</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">Jonas</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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