Subject: Re: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild

From: "andrew uprichard" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 15:21:12 -0400

(Where is Randall when you need him?  😊)

When you say "significantly tighter" is this turning the steering with the tie rods connected ? You should be able to turn the steering wheel with a finger tip if the car is in the air.  You should also be able to grab a wheel and take it through its full range of motion (everything connected) fairly easily.

The felt at the steering wheel should not be an issue - and, if anything, should just be soaked in oil prior to installation.  

If it is binding, and not eased by loosening the box (and, by inference, the pressure on the peg) it is probably related more to the shims at the bottom of the box than the bearings themselves.  Did you follow the method Randall suggests with measuring end-float and shimming appropriately?

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Art McEwen
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 2:11 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild

Re-installed my rebuilt steering box and, even though it felt fine on the bench, back in the car the steering is significantly tighter.  Not quite a parking lot 3-point turn level of effort but well beyond finger tip effort.  And this is while still up on jacks with the set screw backed right off.  I loosened off the shim cover bolts thinking I was too tight but no difference.  It doesn't feel like it's binding at any point of the travel, it's tight lock to lock.  I waited until the shaft was reassembled before tightening the box attachment bolts so the box would align to the shaft, not vice versa.

Could this really all be down to resistance from the 2 new bearings in the split shaft (plenty of grease added) and the new felt at the steering wheel?  

Also should the upper felt be greased/oiled?

Thanks,

Art. 60tr
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From: Art McEwen <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 16:35:54 -0400

The tie rods added to stiffness that was already there.  I used the remove-shims-until-no-more-play method.   I've since resplit the shaft and I think some of it has come from either end but I'm going to pull the box out again and bring it back to the bench.  

> On May 17, 2020, at 3:21 PM, andrew uprichard <[email-masked]> wrote:
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From: "Art McEwen" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 09:35:02 -0400 (built Jul 9 2013)

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Further update=2E=C2=A0

So I think what happened is my final torque down of the end cap on the s=
teering box was tighter than my shim bench tests or something settled du=
ring that and caused binding=2E When I took it all off and reset everyth=
ing with a McGiver=27d way of measuring the float it all seemed good on =
2nd install=2E The new bushings/felt in the upper shaft added some stiff=
ness too=2E

BTW some claim this can be done without removing the cowl (and therefore=
 presumably the rad)=2C I=27d pay good money to see that on youtube=2E=2E=
=2E=2E

On 05/17/20=2C andrew uprichard  =3Cauprichard=40uprichard=2Enet=3E wrot=
e=3A
=3E (Where is Randall when you need him=3F =F0=9F=98=8A)
=3E =

=3E When you say =22significantly tighter=22 is this turning the steerin=
g with the tie rods connected =3F You should be able to turn the steerin=
g wheel with a finger tip if the car is in the air=2E You should also be=
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ything connected) fairly easily=2E
=3E =

=3E The felt at the steering wheel should not be an issue - and=2C if an=
ything=2C should just be soaked in oil prior to installation=2E =

=3E =

=3E If it is binding=2C and not eased by loosening the box (and=2C by in=
ference=2C the pressure on the peg) it is probably related more to the s=
hims at the bottom of the box than the bearings themselves=2E Did you fo=
llow the method Randall suggests with measuring end-float and shimming a=
ppropriately=3F
=3E =

=3E Andrew Uprichard
=3E Jackson=2C Michigan
=3E =

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=3E =

=3E Re-installed my rebuilt steering box and=2C even though it felt fine=
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nger tip effort=2E And this is while still up on jacks with the set scre=
w backed right off=2E I loosened off the shim cover bolts thinking I was=
 too tight but no difference=2E It doesn=27t feel like it=27s binding at=
 any point of the travel=2C it=27s tight lock to lock=2E I waited until =
the shaft was reassembled before tightening the box attachment bolts so =
the box would align to the shaft=2C not vice versa=2E
=3E =

=3E Could this really all be down to resistance from the 2 new bearings =
in the split shaft (plenty of grease added) and the new felt at the stee=
ring wheel=3F =

=3E =

=3E Also should the upper felt be greased/oiled=3F
=3E =

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From: "andrew uprichard" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 18:32:15 -0400

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Ask David Friedlander if  it can be done without removing the front =
apron.  I think he has just spent several days lying under his TR3 =
trying to get his steering right.

=20

Andrew Uprichard

=20

From: Art McEwen <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:35 AM
To: andrew uprichard <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild

=20

Further update.=20

=20

So I think what happened is my final torque down of the end cap on the =
steering box was tighter than my shim bench tests or something settled =
during that and caused binding.   When I took it all off and reset =
everything with a McGiver'd way of measuring the float it all seemed =
good on 2nd install.   The new bushings/felt in the upper shaft added =
some stiffness too.

=20

BTW some claim this can be done without removing the cowl (and therefore =
presumably the rad), I'd pay good money to see that on youtube....

On 05/17/20, andrew uprichard <[email-masked] =

(Where is Randall when you need him?  =F0=9F=98=8A)

When you say "significantly tighter" is this turning the steering with =
the tie rods connected ? You should be able to turn the steering wheel =
with a finger tip if the car is in the air.  You should also be able to =
grab a wheel and take it through its full range of motion (everything =
connected) fairly easily.

The felt at the steering wheel should not be an issue - and, if =
anything, should just be soaked in oil prior to installation. =20

If it is binding, and not eased by loosening the box (and, by inference, =
the pressure on the peg) it is probably related more to the shims at the =
bottom of the box than the bearings themselves.  Did you follow the =
method Randall suggests with measuring end-float and shimming =
appropriately?

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <[email-masked] =
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild

Re-installed my rebuilt steering box and, even though it felt fine on =
the bench, back in the car the steering is significantly tighter.  Not =
quite a parking lot 3-point turn level of effort but well beyond finger =
tip effort.  And this is while still up on jacks with the set screw =
backed right off.  I loosened off the shim cover bolts thinking I was =
too tight but no difference.  It doesn't feel like it's binding at any =
point of the travel, it's tight lock to lock.  I waited until the shaft =
was reassembled before tightening the box attachment bolts so the box =
would align to the shaft, not vice versa.

Could this really all be down to resistance from the 2 new bearings in =
the split shaft (plenty of grease added) and the new felt at the =
steering wheel? =20

Thanks,

Art. 60tr

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  =

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style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Ask David =
Friedlander if=C2=A0 it can be done without removing the front =
apron.=C2=A0 I think he has just spent several days lying under his TR3 =
trying to get his steering right.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Art McEwen =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 22, 2020 9:35 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> andrew uprichard &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] Tr3a steering tight =
after rebuild<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Further =
update.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal>So I think what happened is my final torque down of =
the end cap on the steering box was tighter than my shim bench tests or =
something settled during that and caused binding.&nbsp; &nbsp;When I =
took it all off and reset everything with a McGiver'd way of measuring =
the float it all seemed good on 2nd install.&nbsp; &nbsp;The new =
bushings/felt in the upper shaft added some stiffness =
too.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>BTW some claim this can be done without removing the =
cowl (and therefore presumably the rad), I'd pay good money to see that =
on youtube....<br><br>On 05/17/20, <b>andrew uprichard </b>&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
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10.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>(Where is Randall when =
you need him?&nbsp; <span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji",sans-serif'>&#128522;</span>)<br><br>When you say =
&quot;significantly tighter&quot; is this turning the steering with the =
tie rods connected ? You should be able to turn the steering wheel with =
a finger tip if the car is in the air.&nbsp; You should also be able to =
grab a wheel and take it through its full range of motion (everything =
connected) fairly easily.<br><br>The felt at the steering wheel should =
not be an issue - and, if anything, should just be soaked in oil prior =
to installation.&nbsp; <br><br>If it is binding, and not eased by =
loosening the box (and, by inference, the pressure on the peg) it is =
probably related more to the shims at the bottom of the box than the =
bearings themselves.&nbsp; Did you follow the method Randall suggests =
with measuring end-float and shimming appropriately?<br><br>Andrew =
Uprichard<br>Jackson, Michigan<br><br>-----Original =
Message-----<br>From: Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
am.net</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Art McEwen<br>Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 =
2:11 PM<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>Su=
bject: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild<br><br>Re-installed my =
rebuilt steering box and, even though it felt fine on the bench, back in =
the car the steering is significantly tighter.&nbsp; Not quite a parking =
lot 3-point turn level of effort but well beyond finger tip =
effort.&nbsp; And this is while still up on jacks with the set screw =
backed right off.&nbsp; I loosened off the shim cover bolts thinking I =
was too tight but no difference.&nbsp; It doesn't feel like it's binding =
at any point of the travel, it's tight lock to lock.&nbsp; I waited =
until the shaft was reassembled before tightening the box attachment =
bolts so the box would align to the shaft, not vice versa.<br><br>Could =
this really all be down to resistance from the 2 new bearings in the =
split shaft (plenty of grease added) and the new felt at the steering =
wheel?&nbsp; <br><br>Also should the upper felt be =
greased/oiled?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Art. 60tr<br>** <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> =
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From: Art McEwen <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 19:00:35 -0400

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I've almost got him convinced to take it off :)

> On May 22, 2020, at 6:32 PM, andrew uprichard <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
>=20
> Ask David Friedlander if  it can be done without removing the front apron.=
  I think he has just spent several days lying under his TR3 trying to get h=
is steering right.
> So I think what happened is my final torque down of the end cap on the ste=
ering box was tighter than my shim bench tests or something settled during t=
hat and caused binding.   When I took it all off and reset everything with a=
 McGiver'd way of measuring the float it all seemed good on 2nd install.   T=
he new bushings/felt in the upper shaft added some stiffness too.
> =20
> BTW some claim this can be done without removing the cowl (and therefore p=
resumably the rad), I'd pay good money to see that on youtube....
>=20
> On 05/17/20, andrew uprichard <[email-masked]> wrote:
> When you say "significantly tighter" is this turning the steering with the=
 tie rods connected ? You should be able to turn the steering wheel with a f=
inger tip if the car is in the air.  You should also be able to grab a wheel=
 and take it through its full range of motion (everything connected) fairly e=
asily.
>=20
> The felt at the steering wheel should not be an issue - and, if anything, s=
hould just be soaked in oil prior to installation. =20
>=20
> If it is binding, and not eased by loosening the box (and, by inference, t=
he pressure on the peg) it is probably related more to the shims at the bott=
om of the box than the bearings themselves.  Did you follow the method Randa=
ll suggests with measuring end-float and shimming appropriately?
> Re-installed my rebuilt steering box and, even though it felt fine on the b=
ench, back in the car the steering is significantly tighter.  Not quite a pa=
rking lot 3-point turn level of effort but well beyond finger tip effort.  A=
nd this is while still up on jacks with the set screw backed right off.  I l=
oosened off the shim cover bolts thinking I was too tight but no difference.=
  It doesn't feel like it's binding at any point of the travel, it's tight l=
ock to lock.  I waited until the shaft was reassembled before tightening the=
 box attachment bolts so the box would align to the shaft, not vice versa.
>=20
> Could this really all be down to resistance from the 2 new bearings in the=
 split shaft (plenty of grease added) and the new felt at the steering wheel=
? =20
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  http://www.team.net/archi=
ve
>=20
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprich=
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ed to take it off :)</div><div><br>On May 22, 2020, at 6:32 PM, andrew upric=
hard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
t</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta http-equi=
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oNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:=
#1F497D">Ask David Friedlander if&nbsp; it can be done without removing the f=
ront apron.&nbsp; I think he has just spent several days lying under his TR3=
 trying to get his steering right.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1F497=
D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">Andrew Uprichard<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div styl=
e=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Art McEwen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:amcewen2=
@cogeco.ca">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 22, 2020=
 9:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> andrew uprichard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:auprichard@upr=
ichard.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@aut=
ox.team.net">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] Tr3a st=
eering tight after rebuild<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Further update.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">So I think what happened is my final torque down of the end cap on the s=
teering box was tighter than my shim bench tests or something settled during=
 that and caused binding.&nbsp; &nbsp;When I took it all off and reset every=
thing with a McGiver'd way of measuring the float it all seemed good on 2nd i=
nstall.&nbsp; &nbsp;The new bushings/felt in the upper shaft added some stif=
fness too.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">BTW some claim this can be done withou=
t removing the cowl (and therefore presumably the rad), I'd pay good money t=
o see that on youtube....<br><br>On 05/17/20, <b>andrew uprichard </b>&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1=
.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 10.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bott=
om:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">(Where i=
s Randall when you need him?&nbsp; <span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI=
 Emoji&quot;,sans-serif">=F0=9F=98=8A</span>)<br><br>When you say "significa=
ntly tighter" is this turning the steering with the tie rods connected ? You=
 should be able to turn the steering wheel with a finger tip if the car is i=
n the air.&nbsp; You should also be able to grab a wheel and take it through=
 its full range of motion (everything connected) fairly easily.<br><br>The f=
elt at the steering wheel should not be an issue - and, if anything, should j=
ust be soaked in oil prior to installation.&nbsp; <br><br>If it is binding, a=
nd not eased by loosening the box (and, by inference, the pressure on the pe=
g) it is probably related more to the shims at the bottom of the box than th=
e bearings themselves.&nbsp; Did you follow the method Randall suggests with=
 measuring end-float and shimming appropriately?<br><br>Andrew Uprichard<br>=
Jackson, Michigan<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Triumphs &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
.net</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Art McEwen<br>Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 2:11 PM<b=
r>To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
<br>Subject: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild<br><br>Re-installed my r=
ebuilt steering box and, even though it felt fine on the bench, back in the c=
ar the steering is significantly tighter.&nbsp; Not quite a parking lot 3-po=
int turn level of effort but well beyond finger tip effort.&nbsp; And this i=
s while still up on jacks with the set screw backed right off.&nbsp; I loose=
ned off the shim cover bolts thinking I was too tight but no difference.&nbs=
p; It doesn't feel like it's binding at any point of the travel, it's tight l=
ock to lock.&nbsp; I waited until the shaft was reassembled before tightenin=
g the box attachment bolts so the box would align to the shaft, not vice ver=
sa.<br><br>Could this really all be down to resistance from the 2 new bearin=
gs in the split shaft (plenty of grease added) and the new felt at the steer=
ing wheel?&nbsp; <br><br>Also should the upper felt be greased/oiled?<br><br=
>Thanks,<br><br>Art. 60tr<br>** <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">t=
[email-masked]</a> **<br><br>Donate: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/=
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From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 21:50:19 -0400

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Andrew ~

Art tells me he can remove the apron of his car in 30 minutes! That's some
mighty fast wrenching!!

Dave

On Fri, May 22, 2020, 7:00 PM Art McEwen <[email-masked]> wrote:

> On May 22, 2020, at 6:32 PM, andrew uprichard <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> Ask David Friedlander if  it can be done without removing the front
> apron.  I think he has just spent several days lying under his TR3 trying
> to get his steering right.
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
>
>
> *From:* Art McEwen <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 22, 2020 9:35 AM
> *To:* andrew uprichard <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]=
t
> *Subject:* RE: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild
>
>
>
> Further update.
>
>
>
> So I think what happened is my final torque down of the end cap on the
> steering box was tighter than my shim bench tests or something settled
> during that and caused binding.   When I took it all off and reset
> everything with a McGiver'd way of measuring the float it all seemed good
> on 2nd install.   The new bushings/felt in the upper shaft added some
> stiffness too.
>
>
>
> BTW some claim this can be done without removing the cowl (and therefore
> On 05/17/20, *andrew uprichard *<[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> When you say "significantly tighter" is this turning the steering with th=
e
> tie rods connected ? You should be able to turn the steering wheel with a
> finger tip if the car is in the air.  You should also be able to grab a
> wheel and take it through its full range of motion (everything connected)
> fairly easily.
>
> The felt at the steering wheel should not be an issue - and, if anything,
> should just be soaked in oil prior to installation.
>
> If it is binding, and not eased by loosening the box (and, by inference,
> the pressure on the peg) it is probably related more to the shims at the
> bottom of the box than the bearings themselves.  Did you follow the metho=
d
> Randall suggests with measuring end-float and shimming appropriately?
>
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
>
> Re-installed my rebuilt steering box and, even though it felt fine on the
> bench, back in the car the steering is significantly tighter.  Not quite =
a
> parking lot 3-point turn level of effort but well beyond finger tip
> effort.  And this is while still up on jacks with the set screw backed
> right off.  I loosened off the shim cover bolts thinking I was too tight
> but no difference.  It doesn't feel like it's binding at any point of the
> travel, it's tight lock to lock.  I waited until the shaft was reassemble=
d
> before tightening the box attachment bolts so the box would align to the
> shaft, not vice versa.
>
> Could this really all be down to resistance from the 2 new bearings in th=
e
> split shaft (plenty of grease added) and the new felt at the steering
> wheel?
>
> Unsubscribe/Manage:

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<div dir=3D"auto">Andrew ~=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Art tells me he can remove the apron of his car in 30 minutes! Th=
at&#39;s some mighty fast wrenching!!<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Dave</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, May 22, 2020, 7:00 PM Art McEwen &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div></div><div>I&#39;ve=
 almost got him convinced to take it off :)</div><div><br>On May 22, 2020, =
at 6:32 PM, andrew uprichard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d=
">Ask David Friedlander if=C2=A0 it can be done without removing the front =
apron.=C2=A0 I think he has just spent several days lying under his TR3 try=
ing to get his steering right.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f49=
7d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d">Andrew Uprichard=
<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:=
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span=
></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt=
 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Art McEwen &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">amcewen2@c=
ogeco.ca</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 22, 2020 9:35 AM<br><b>To:</b=
> andrew uprichard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; <a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">trium=
[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] Tr3a steering tight afte=
r rebuild<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Further update.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">So I think what happened is my final torque down of the end cap on the s=
teering box was tighter than my shim bench tests or something settled durin=
g that and caused binding.=C2=A0 =C2=A0When I took it all off and reset eve=
rything with a McGiver&#39;d way of measuring the float it all seemed good =
on 2nd install.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The new bushings/felt in the upper shaft added =
some stiffness too.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">BTW some claim this c=
an be done without removing the cowl (and therefore presumably the rad), I&=
#39;d pay good money to see that on youtube....<br><br>On 05/17/20, <b>andr=
ew uprichard </b>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u=
></u></p><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.0pt;padd=
ing:0in 0in 0in 10.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt=
"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">(Where is Rand=
all when you need him?=C2=A0 <span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Emoj=
i&quot;,sans-serif">=F0=9F=98=8A</span>)<br><br>When you say &quot;signific=
antly tighter&quot; is this turning the steering with the tie rods connecte=
d ? You should be able to turn the steering wheel with a finger tip if the =
car is in the air.=C2=A0 You should also be able to grab a wheel and take i=
t through its full range of motion (everything connected) fairly easily.<br=
><br>The felt at the steering wheel should not be an issue - and, if anythi=
ng, should just be soaked in oil prior to installation.=C2=A0 <br><br>If it=
 is binding, and not eased by loosening the box (and, by inference, the pre=
ssure on the peg) it is probably related more to the shims at the bottom of=
 the box than the bearings themselves.=C2=A0 Did you follow the method Rand=
all suggests with measuring end-float and shimming appropriately?<br><br>An=
drew Uprichard<br>Jackson, Michigan<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>Fr=
om: Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; On B=
ehalf Of Art McEwen<br>Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 2:11 PM<br>To: <a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">trium=
[email-masked]</a><br>Subject: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild<b=
r><br>Re-installed my rebuilt steering box and, even though it felt fine on=
 the bench, back in the car the steering is significantly tighter.=C2=A0 No=
t quite a parking lot 3-point turn level of effort but well beyond finger t=
ip effort.=C2=A0 And this is while still up on jacks with the set screw bac=
ked right off.=C2=A0 I loosened off the shim cover bolts thinking I was too=
 tight but no difference.=C2=A0 It doesn&#39;t feel like it&#39;s binding a=
t any point of the travel, it&#39;s tight lock to lock.=C2=A0 I waited unti=
l the shaft was reassembled before tightening the box attachment bolts so t=
he box would align to the shaft, not vice versa.<br><br>Could this really a=
ll be down to resistance from the 2 new bearings in the split shaft (plenty=
 of grease added) and the new felt at the steering wheel?=C2=A0 <br><br>Als=
o should the upper felt be greased/oiled?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Art. 60tr<b=
r>** <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"no=
referrer">[email-masked]</a> **<br><br>Donate: <a href=3D"http://w=
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From: Art McEwen <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 22:50:16 -0400

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Dave, I'll do your apron, you rewire my steering shaft :)

> On May 22, 2020, at 9:50 PM, David Friedlander <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>=20
> Andrew ~ =20
>=20
> Art tells me he can remove the apron of his car in 30 minutes! That's some=
 mighty fast wrenching!!
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 6:32 PM, andrew uprichard <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Ask David Friedlander if  it can be done without removing the front apro=
n.  I think he has just spent several days lying under his TR3 trying to get=
 his steering right.
>>> To: andrew uprichard <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]=

teering box was tighter than my shim bench tests or something settled during=
 that and caused binding.   When I took it all off and reset everything with=
 a McGiver'd way of measuring the float it all seemed good on 2nd install.  =
 The new bushings/felt in the upper shaft added some stiffness too.
>>> When you say "significantly tighter" is this turning the steering with t=
he tie rods connected ? You should be able to turn the steering wheel with a=
 finger tip if the car is in the air.  You should also be able to grab a whe=
el and take it through its full range of motion (everything connected) fairl=
y easily.
>>>=20
>>> The felt at the steering wheel should not be an issue - and, if anything=
, should just be soaked in oil prior to installation. =20
>>>=20
>>> If it is binding, and not eased by loosening the box (and, by inference,=
 the pressure on the peg) it is probably related more to the shims at the bo=
ttom of the box than the bearings themselves.  Did you follow the method Ran=
dall suggests with measuring end-float and shimming appropriately?
>>> From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Art McEwen=

>>> Re-installed my rebuilt steering box and, even though it felt fine on th=
e bench, back in the car the steering is significantly tighter.  Not quite a=
 parking lot 3-point turn level of effort but well beyond finger tip effort.=
  And this is while still up on jacks with the set screw backed right off.  I=
 loosened off the shim cover bolts thinking I was too tight but no differenc=
e.  It doesn't feel like it's binding at any point of the travel, it's tight=
 lock to lock.  I waited until the shaft was reassembled before tightening t=
he box attachment bolts so the box would align to the shaft, not vice versa.=

>>>=20
>>> Could this really all be down to resistance from the 2 new bearings in t=
he split shaft (plenty of grease added) and the new felt at the steering whe=
el? =20
>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  http://www.team.net/arc=
hive
>>>=20
>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aupri=
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div></div><div>Dave, I'll do your apron, y=
ou rewire my steering shaft :)</div><div><br>On May 22, 2020, at 9:50 PM, Da=
vid Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"auto=
">Andrew ~&nbsp;&nbsp;<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Art tell=
s me he can remove the apron of his car in 30 minutes! That's some mighty fa=
st wrenching!!<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Dave</div></div>=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">O=
n Fri, May 22, 2020, 7:00 PM Art McEwen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:amcewen2@cogec=
o.ca">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x"><div dir=3D"auto"><div></div><div>I've almost got him convinced to take i=
t off :)</div><div><br>On May 22, 2020, at 6:32 PM, andrew uprichard &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times N=
ew Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d">Ask David Friedlander if&nbsp; it can be=
 done without removing the front apron.&nbsp; I think he has just spent seve=
ral days lying under his TR3 trying to get his steering right.<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New=
 Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;col=
or:#1f497d">Andrew Uprichard<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d">=
<u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e=
1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> A=
rt McEwen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 22, 202=
0 9:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> andrew uprichard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:auprichard@up=
richard.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"=
noreferrer">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] Tr3a ste=
ering tight after rebuild<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><=
/u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Further update.&nbsp;<u></u><u></=
u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">So I think what happened is my final torque down of the end c=
ap on the steering box was tighter than my shim bench tests or something set=
tled during that and caused binding.&nbsp; &nbsp;When I took it all off and r=
eset everything with a McGiver'd way of measuring the float it all seemed go=
od on 2nd install.&nbsp; &nbsp;The new bushings/felt in the upper shaft adde=
d some stiffness too.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>=
</u>&nbsp;<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">BTW some claim this c=
an be done without removing the cowl (and therefore presumably the rad), I'd=
 pay good money to see that on youtube....<br><br>On 05/17/20, <b>andrew upr=
ichard </b>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p=
><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.0pt;padding:0in 0=
in 0in 10.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">(Where is Randall when you=
 need him?&nbsp; <span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,sans-=
serif">=F0=9F=98=8A</span>)<br><br>When you say "significantly tighter" is t=
his turning the steering with the tie rods connected ? You should be able to=
 turn the steering wheel with a finger tip if the car is in the air.&nbsp; Y=
ou should also be able to grab a wheel and take it through its full range of=
 motion (everything connected) fairly easily.<br><br>The felt at the steerin=
g wheel should not be an issue - and, if anything, should just be soaked in o=
il prior to installation.&nbsp; <br><br>If it is binding, and not eased by l=
oosening the box (and, by inference, the pressure on the peg) it is probably=
 related more to the shims at the bottom of the box than the bearings themse=
lves.&nbsp; Did you follow the method Randall suggests with measuring end-fl=
oat and shimming appropriately?<br><br>Andrew Uprichard<br>Jackson, Michigan=
<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:t=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumph=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Art McEwen<br>Sent: Sunday, Ma=
y 17, 2020 2:11 PM<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a><br>Subject: [TR] Tr3=
a steering tight after rebuild<br><br>Re-installed my rebuilt steering box a=
nd, even though it felt fine on the bench, back in the car the steering is s=
ignificantly tighter.&nbsp; Not quite a parking lot 3-point turn level of ef=
fort but well beyond finger tip effort.&nbsp; And this is while still up on j=
acks with the set screw backed right off.&nbsp; I loosened off the shim cove=
r bolts thinking I was too tight but no difference.&nbsp; It doesn't feel li=
ke it's binding at any point of the travel, it's tight lock to lock.&nbsp; I=
 waited until the shaft was reassembled before tightening the box attachment=
 bolts so the box would align to the shaft, not vice versa.<br><br>Could thi=
s really all be down to resistance from the 2 new bearings in the split shaf=
t (plenty of grease added) and the new felt at the steering wheel?&nbsp; <br=
><br>Also should the upper felt be greased/oiled?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Art.=
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Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 09:01:40 -0700

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I think I remember Randal=E2=80=99s post saying that you can remove the =
column without removing the cowl if it=E2=80=99s the split type (2 =
piece) but you have to loosen the motor mounts and jack the engine up a =
bit to do it. There may have been more to it, but that=E2=80=99s all I =
remember.

Bob

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From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Art =
McEwen
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:50 PM
To: David Friedlander
Cc: TR3 Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild

=20

On May 22, 2020, at 9:50 PM, David Friedlander <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

Andrew ~ =20

=20

Art tells me he can remove the apron of his car in 30 minutes! That's =
some mighty fast wrenching!!

=20

Dave

=20

On May 22, 2020, at 6:32 PM, andrew uprichard <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

=20

Andrew Uprichard

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Further update.=20

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Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Art McEwen
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 2:11 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild

Thanks,

Art. 60tr

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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I think I remember Randal=E2=80=99s post saying that you can remove =
the column without removing the cowl if it=E2=80=99s the split type (2 =
piece) but you have to loosen the motor mounts and jack the engine up a =
bit to do it. There may have been more to it, but that=E2=80=99s all I =
remember.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Art McEwen<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 22, 2020 7:50 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> David Friedlander<br><b>Cc:</b> TR3 =
Triumphs<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after =
rebuild<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Dave, =
I'll do your apron, you rewire my steering shaft =
:)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On May 22, 2020, at 9:50 PM, David =
Friedlander &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Andrew ~&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Art tells me he can remove the apron of his car in 30 =
minutes! That's some mighty fast wrenching!!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dave<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Fri, May 22, 2020, 7:00 PM Art McEwen &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I've almost got him convinced to take it off =
:)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On May 22, 2020, at 6:32 PM, andrew =
uprichard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ask David Friedlander if&nbsp; it can be done =
without removing the front apron.&nbsp; I think he has just spent =
several days lying under his TR3 trying to get his steering =
right.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Andrew Uprichard</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>=
 Art McEwen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, =
May 22, 2020 9:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> andrew uprichard &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: =
[TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Further =
update.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>So I think =
what happened is my final torque down of the end cap on the steering box =
was tighter than my shim bench tests or something settled during that =
and caused binding.&nbsp; &nbsp;When I took it all off and reset =
everything with a McGiver'd way of measuring the float it all seemed =
good on 2nd install.&nbsp; &nbsp;The new bushings/felt in the upper =
shaft added some stiffness too.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>BTW some =
claim this can be done without removing the cowl (and therefore =
presumably the rad), I'd pay good money to see that on =
youtube....<br><br>On 05/17/20, <b>andrew uprichard </b>&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
blue 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
10.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>(Where is Randall =
when you need him?&nbsp; <span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji","sans-serif"'>&#128522;</span>)<br><br>When you say =
&quot;significantly tighter&quot; is this turning the steering with the =
tie rods connected ? You should be able to turn the steering wheel with =
a finger tip if the car is in the air.&nbsp; You should also be able to =
grab a wheel and take it through its full range of motion (everything =
connected) fairly easily.<br><br>The felt at the steering wheel should =
not be an issue - and, if anything, should just be soaked in oil prior =
to installation.&nbsp; <br><br>If it is binding, and not eased by =
loosening the box (and, by inference, the pressure on the peg) it is =
probably related more to the shims at the bottom of the box than the =
bearings themselves.&nbsp; Did you follow the method Randall suggests =
with measuring end-float and shimming appropriately?<br><br>Andrew =
Uprichard<br>Jackson, Michigan<br><br>-----Original =
Message-----<br>From: Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; On Behalf Of =
Art McEwen<br>Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 2:11 PM<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br>Subject: [TR] Tr3a =
steering tight after rebuild<br><br>Re-installed my rebuilt steering box =
and, even though it felt fine on the bench, back in the car the steering =
is significantly tighter.&nbsp; Not quite a parking lot 3-point turn =
level of effort but well beyond finger tip effort.&nbsp; And this is =
while still up on jacks with the set screw backed right off.&nbsp; I =
loosened off the shim cover bolts thinking I was too tight but no =
difference.&nbsp; It doesn't feel like it's binding at any point of the =
travel, it's tight lock to lock.&nbsp; I waited until the shaft was =
reassembled before tightening the box attachment bolts so the box would =
align to the shaft, not vice versa.<br><br>Could this really all be down =
to resistance from the 2 new bearings in the split shaft (plenty of =
grease added) and the new felt at the steering wheel?&nbsp; <br><br>Also =
should the upper felt be greased/oiled?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Art. =
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