Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

From: Cliff Hansen <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 02:44:29 +0000

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Lucas-Ignition-Switch-31873-Model-47SA-/27=
3644960952

If that=92s the same part, for a GT6 and probably a bunch of other applicat=
ions.

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From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> on behalf of dave <dave@ra=
nteer.com>
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 7:27:42 PM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

I=92m not at all surprised =96 the ignition switch in my TR4 is not exactly=
 stock.  It might be a TR switch but ?????

Anyone recognize this switch?

I took it out of the mounting today, and individually pulled off the connec=
tors, cleaning what I could and spraying it with an electronic component cl=
eaner.  Anyone seen a tool to clean the inside of those junction clips?  I =
can clean the tab but how to you clean the female version that is attached =
to the wires?

Here is what is happening =96 every now and then the car will get power whe=
n you turn the key, and start.  Mostly you get nothing, like a disconnected=
 battery.  No power to anything.  So I=92m thinking it=92s the switch.  I w=
ould prefer to replace it with what ever the heck is in there now.  Note: t=
he original owner had a parts store (FLAPS) and the car is full of non stoc=
k stuff, from the alternator to the electric fan, electric fuel pump, 10 fu=
se European fuse box, etc., etc., etc.  he installed backup lights out of a=
 65 pontiac, drilling holes in the trunk lid.  Yikes!

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If that=92s the same part, for a GT6 and probably a =
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 20, 2020 7:27:42 PM<br>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">I=92m not at all surprised =96 the ignition switch=
 in my TR4 is not exactly stock.&nbsp; It might be a TR switch but ?????</p=
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Anyone recognize this switch?</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">I took it out of the mounting today, and individua=
lly pulled off the connectors, cleaning what I could and spraying it with a=
n electronic component cleaner.&nbsp; Anyone seen a tool to clean the insid=
e of those junction clips?&nbsp; I can clean
 the tab but how to you clean the female version that is attached to the wi=
res?</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Here is what is happening =96 every now and then t=
he car will get power when you turn the key, and start.&nbsp; Mostly you ge=
t nothing, like a disconnected battery.&nbsp; No power to anything.&nbsp; S=
o I=92m thinking it=92s the switch.&nbsp; I would prefer to
 replace it with what ever the heck is in there now.&nbsp; Note: the origin=
al owner had a parts store (FLAPS) and the car is full of non stock stuff, =
from the alternator to the electric fan, electric fuel pump, 10 fuse Europe=
an fuse box, etc., etc., etc.&nbsp; he installed
 backup lights out of a 65 pontiac, drilling holes in the trunk lid.&nbsp; =
Yikes!</p>
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 20:08:14 -0700

The number on the front (31873D) appears to be correct for TR4 (listed in my
1963 Lucas catalog).  The illustration in the catalog doesn't clearly show
the back of the switch, but from what I can see, it's pretty close.  The
wiring diagram shows 7 wires going to the switch (when overdrive fitted), so
I'd expect roughly that many terminals.

I've not found a good way to clean those old Lucar terminals; but you can
usually coax them back into service by spraying with Deoxit (or similar),
pinching the ears tighter with needle nose pliers, then sliding on and off
the terminal a couple of times to break up any oxide on the contact areas. 
https://amzn.com/B07YZPB8RV

The other solution is to replace them.  Here's a little slide show on how to
replace them
https://imgur.com/a/yETAubD

Lots of other things can cause that problem, so I would want to do some
checking before replacing the switch.  If you can duplicate the problem with
the switch out, use a test light between the terminals with white wires and
the brown/blue wires.  If the light lights with the switch in the 'On'
position, the switch is bad.  Otherwise, the problem is somewhere else.

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild

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From: "Jerry Van Vlack" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 07:00:02 -0400

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Contact Scott Harper @  Team Triumph 330-392-7176 Warren, Ohio. Best to =
call after 11 am. He may well have a good used switch and maybe the =
correct key number and or with keys.
The switch looks identical to the switch in my 4A.
JVV

From: dave=20
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 9:27 PM
To: [email-masked]=20
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

I=E2=80=99m not at all surprised =E2=80=93 the ignition switch in my TR4 =
is not exactly stock.  It might be a TR switch but ?????

=20

=20

I took it out of the mounting today, and individually pulled off the =
connectors, cleaning what I could and spraying it with an electronic =
component cleaner.  Anyone seen a tool to clean the inside of those =
junction clips?  I can clean the tab but how to you clean the female =
version that is attached to the wires?

=20

Here is what is happening =E2=80=93 every now and then the car will get =
power when you turn the key, and start.  Mostly you get nothing, like a =
disconnected battery.  No power to anything.  So I=E2=80=99m thinking =
it=E2=80=99s the switch.  I would prefer to replace it with what ever =
the heck is in there now.  Note: the original owner had a parts store =
(FLAPS) and the car is full of non stock stuff, from the alternator to =
the electric fan, electric fuel pump, 10 fuse European fuse box, etc., =
etc., etc.  he installed backup lights out of a 65 pontiac, drilling =
holes in the trunk lid.  Yikes!

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<DIV>Contact Scott Harper @&nbsp; Team Triumph 330-392-7176 Warren, =
Ohio. Best=20
to call after 11 am. He may well have a good used switch and maybe the =
correct=20
key number and or with keys.</DIV>
<DIV>The switch looks identical to the switch in my 4A.</DIV>
<DIV>JVV</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]>dave</A>=20
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 20, 2020 9:27 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]>[email-masked]</A>=20
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [TR] TR4 ignition switch</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m not at all surprised =E2=80=93 the =
ignition switch in my TR4 is=20
not exactly stock.&nbsp; It might be a TR switch but =
?????<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Anyone recognize this switch?<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>I took it out of the mounting today, and =
individually pulled=20
off the connectors, cleaning what I could and spraying it with an =
electronic=20
component cleaner.&nbsp; Anyone seen a tool to clean the inside of those =

junction clips?&nbsp; I can clean the tab but how to you clean the =
female=20
version that is attached to the wires?<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Here is what is happening =E2=80=93 every now and =
then the car will=20
get power when you turn the key, and start.&nbsp; Mostly you get =
nothing, like a=20
disconnected battery.&nbsp; No power to anything.&nbsp; So I=E2=80=99m =
thinking it=E2=80=99s the=20
switch.&nbsp; I would prefer to replace it with what ever the heck is in =
there=20
now.&nbsp; Note: the original owner had a parts store (FLAPS) and the =
car is=20
full of non stock stuff, from the alternator to the electric fan, =
electric fuel=20
pump, 10 fuse European fuse box, etc., etc., etc.&nbsp; he installed =
backup=20
lights out of a 65 pontiac, drilling holes in the trunk lid.&nbsp;=20
Yikes!<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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From: "Jerry Van Vlack" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 07:37:27 -0400

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Another thought. Clean your battery terminals your symptoms sound like =
what happens when the battery terminals get corroded. Cables can hid the =
corrosion too.
JVV

From: Jerry Van Vlack=20
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 7:00 AM
To: dave ; [email-masked]=20
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

From: dave=20

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<DIV>Another thought. Clean your battery terminals your symptoms sound =
like what=20
happens when the battery terminals get corroded. Cables can hid the =
corrosion=20
too.</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 21, 2020 7:00 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]>dave</A> ; <A=20
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Good thought, and I would look there but since the starter button in the =
engine compartment works with no issue, I=E2=80=99m thinking =
it=E2=80=99s the switch.  And, if it weren=E2=80=99t for the electric =
fuel pump located under the gas tank, I would run a wire to the coil and =
start it right up!

=20

From: Cochran, David L <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 10:30 AM
To: Jerry Van Vlack <[email-masked]>
Cc: dave <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

=20

I had that same problem and it was the battery cables.

On Mar 21, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Jerry Van Vlack <[email-masked] =

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JVV

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class=3DMsoNormal>Good thought, and I would look there but since the =
starter button in the engine compartment works with no issue, =
I=E2=80=99m thinking it=E2=80=99s the switch.=C2=A0 And, if it =
weren=E2=80=99t for the electric fuel pump located under the gas tank, I =
would run a wire to the coil and start it right up!<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Cochran, David L =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 21, 2020 =
10:30 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jerry Van Vlack =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> dave =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[TR] TR4 ignition switch<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I had =
that same problem and it was the battery =
cables.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Mar 21, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Jerry Van =
Vlack &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
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class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Another =
thought. Clean your battery terminals your symptoms sound like what =
happens when the battery terminals get corroded. Cables can hid the =
corrosion too.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>JVV<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><di=
v><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Fr=
om:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Jerry Van Vlack <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Se=
nt:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Saturday, March 21, 2020 7:00 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>To=
:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
dave ; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Su=
bject:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Re: [TR] TR4 ignition =
switch<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
</div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Contact Scott Harper @&nbsp; Team =
Triumph 330-392-7176 Warren, Ohio. Best to call after 11 am. He may well =
have a good used switch and maybe the correct key number and or with =
keys.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The switch looks identical to the =
switch in my 4A.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>JVV<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><di=
v><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Fr=
om:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
dave <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Se=
nt:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Friday, March 20, 2020 9:27 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>To=
:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Su=
bject:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
[TR] TR4 ignition switch<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
</div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>I=E2=80=99m =
not at all surprised =E2=80=93 the ignition switch in my TR4 is not =
exactly stock.&nbsp; It might be a TR switch but =
?????<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Anyone recognize this =
switch?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>I took it out of the =
mounting today, and individually pulled off the connectors, cleaning =
what I could and spraying it with an electronic component cleaner.&nbsp; =
Anyone seen a tool to clean the inside of those junction clips?&nbsp; I =
can clean the tab but how to you clean the female version that is =
attached to the wires?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Here is what is happening =
=E2=80=93 every now and then the car will get power when you turn the =
key, and start.&nbsp; Mostly you get nothing, like a disconnected =
battery.&nbsp; No power to anything.&nbsp; So I=E2=80=99m thinking =
it=E2=80=99s the switch.&nbsp; I would prefer to replace it with what =
ever the heck is in there now.&nbsp; Note: the original owner had a =
parts store (FLAPS) and the car is full of non stock stuff, from the =
alternator to the electric fan, electric fuel pump, 10 fuse European =
fuse box, etc., etc., etc.&nbsp; he installed backup lights out of a 65 =
pontiac, drilling holes in the trunk lid.&nbsp; =
Yikes!<o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" =
align=3Dcenter></span></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>** <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> =
**<br><br>Donate: <a =
href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html<=
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om</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div class=3DMsoNormal =
align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" =
align=3Dcenter></span></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>** <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> =
**<br><br>Donate: <a =
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om</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>** <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> =
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<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>
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From: "dave" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 13:23:57 -0500

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Scott Harper had one for $14 plus shipping, including keys.  =
It=E2=80=99s on the way.  In the mean time I=E2=80=99ll test the =
connectivity with the switch on the bench.  It was also suggested that I =
clean the terminals and use deoxit.  Did that no joy.  If the test show =
it is in fact good I=E2=80=99ll replace the female tangs.  But I doubt =
it!

=20

From: Jerry Van Vlack <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 6:00 AM
To: dave <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

=20

JVV

=20

From: dave=20

=20

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class=3DMsoNormal>Scott Harper had one for $14 plus shipping, including =
keys.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s on the way.=C2=A0 In the mean time I=E2=80=99ll =
test the connectivity with the switch on the bench.=C2=A0 It was also =
suggested that I clean the terminals and use deoxit.=C2=A0 Did that no =
joy.=C2=A0 If the test show it is in fact good I=E2=80=99ll replace the =
female tangs.=C2=A0 But I doubt it!<o:p></o:p></p><p =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Jerry Van Vlack =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 21, 2020 =
6:00 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR4 ignition =
switch<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Contact =
Scott Harper @&nbsp; Team Triumph 330-392-7176 Warren, Ohio. Best to =
correct key number and or with keys.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The =
switch looks identical to the switch in my =
4A.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
om</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>
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From: "Keith Stewart" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 15:16:53 -0400

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Looks like a TR4 switch to me. The switch may be Lucas, but the lock is
Wilmot Breedon and the FP674 identifies the key/lock combination. There
should be a little spring post toward the bottom of the lock, that when
depressed will allow the lock to slide out of the switch body. Comments that
I might make on the problem have already been made by others so I will not
repeat them.

Keith Stewart

[email-masked]

From: dave <[email-masked]> 
Sent: March 20, 2020 9:28 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

I'm not at all surprised - the ignition switch in my TR4 is not exactly
stock.  It might be a TR switch but ?????

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a TR4 switch to me. The switch may be Lucas, but the lock is Wilmot =
Breedon and the FP674 identifies the key/lock combination. There should =
be a little spring post toward the bottom of the lock, that when =
depressed will allow the lock to slide out of the switch body. Comments =
that I might make on the problem have already been made by others so I =
will not repeat them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Keith =
Stewart<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> dave =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> March 20, 2020 9:28 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] TR4 =
ignition switch<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>I&#8217;m not at all surprised &#8211; the ignition switch =
in my TR4 is not exactly stock.&nbsp; It might be a TR switch but =
?????<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Anyone recognize this switch?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></body></html>
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Finally was able to sit down and test the switch with my multi meter.  =
Looks like the ignition wire (i.e., power to the system) is where the =
problem is.

=20

Fortunately that extra ignition switch was not expensive.  I =
don=E2=80=99t mind having a spare!

=20

Now to track that wire and the problem!!

=20

Thanks so much for everyone=E2=80=99s help.

=20

From: dave <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 1:24 PM
To: [email-masked]' <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

=20

=20

From: Jerry Van Vlack <[email-masked] =
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

=20

JVV

=20

From: dave=20

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class=3DMsoNormal>Finally was able to sit down and test the switch with =
my multi meter.=C2=A0 Looks like the ignition wire (i.e., power to the =
system) is where the problem is.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Fortunately =
that extra ignition switch was not expensive.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t mind =
having a spare!<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Now to track =
that wire and the problem!!<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks so =
much for everyone=E2=80=99s help.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> dave &lt;[email-masked]&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 21, 2020 1:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] TR4 ignition =
switch<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Scott Harper =
had one for $14 plus shipping, including keys.&nbsp; It=E2=80=99s on the =
way.&nbsp; In the mean time I=E2=80=99ll test the connectivity with the =
switch on the bench.&nbsp; It was also suggested that I clean the =
terminals and use deoxit.&nbsp; Did that no joy.&nbsp; If the test show =
it is in fact good I=E2=80=99ll replace the female tangs.&nbsp; But I =
doubt it!<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 21, 2020 6:00 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b=
>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR4 ignition switch<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
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From: "dave" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 14:28:03 -0500

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Yes, thank you.  I was quite fooled - I looked at the wiring diagram which
had 4 terminals, but there were clearly 6 wires coming off it.  I assumed
there were 6 separate terminals.  When I got it off I saw that there really
are just 4; that several of the terminals are dual.   Good to know I don't
have a FrankenSwitch!

From: Keith Stewart <[email-masked]> 
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 2:17 PM
To: 'dave' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

Keith Stewart

 

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class=3DMsoNormal>Yes, thank you.&nbsp; I was quite fooled &#8211; I =
looked at the wiring diagram which had 4 terminals, but there were =
clearly 6 wires coming off it.&nbsp; I assumed there were 6 separate =
terminals.&nbsp; When I got it off I saw that there really are just 4; =
that several of the terminals are dual.&nbsp; &nbsp;Good to know I =
don&#8217;t have a FrankenSwitch!<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Keith Stewart =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 21, 2020 =
2:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'dave' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] TR4 ignition =
switch<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Looks like a TR4 switch to me. The switch may be Lucas, but =
the lock is Wilmot Breedon and the FP674 identifies the key/lock =
combination. There should be a little spring post toward the bottom of =
the lock, that when depressed will allow the lock to slide out of the =
switch body. Comments that I might make on the problem have already been =
made by others so I will not repeat them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>Keith =
Stewart<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><o:p></o:p=
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lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> March 20, 2020 9:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b=
>Subject:</b> [TR] TR4 ignition switch<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I&#8217;m not at all surprised &#8211; the ignition =
switch in my TR4 is not exactly stock.&nbsp; It might be a TR switch but =
?????<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Anyone recognize this switch?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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From: "Kinderlehrer" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 12:43:05 -0700

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Dave, if you have an ammeter, try taking it out of the circuit =E2=80=93 =
put both leads on the same stud or use a jumper. Seems strange that it =
would fail intermittently, but they have been known to fail.

Bob

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Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 12:24 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Dave, if you have an =
ammeter, try taking it out of the circuit =E2=80=93 put both leads on =
the same stud or use a jumper. Seems strange that it would fail =
intermittently, but they have been known to =
fail.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>dave<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 21, 2020 12:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR4 ignition =
switch<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Finally was =
able to sit down and test the switch with my multi meter.&nbsp; Looks =
like the ignition wire (i.e., power to the system) is where the problem =
is.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Fortunately that extra ignition switch was not =
expensive.&nbsp; I don=E2=80=99t mind having a spare!<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Now to track =
that wire and the problem!!<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks so =
much for everyone=E2=80=99s help.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 21, 2020 1:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] TR4 ignition =
switch<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Scott Harper =
had one for $14 plus shipping, including keys.&nbsp; It=E2=80=99s on the =
way.&nbsp; In the mean time I=E2=80=99ll test the connectivity with the =
switch on the bench.&nbsp; It was also suggested that I clean the =
terminals and use deoxit.&nbsp; Did that no joy.&nbsp; If the test show =
it is in fact good I=E2=80=99ll replace the female tangs.&nbsp; But I =
doubt it!<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Jerry Van Vlack &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 21, 2020 6:00 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b=
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