Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 13:26:04 +0000 (UTC)

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 A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the years.=
=C2=A0=20

Not all RTV sealants are the same.=C2=A0 Some are oil resistant and others =
are not.=C2=A0 "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended f=
or sealing windshields and such.=C2=A0 Check the manufacturer's website.=C2=
=A0 Ultra Black, I believe, is oil resistant.=C2=A0 None, as far as I know,=
 are gasoline resistant.

When=C2=A0 using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts lo=
osely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.=C2=A0 This will =
reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleberries w=
hich can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of expensiv=
e problems.
When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string a=
long the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a l=
ayer of sealant at all points along the joint.

As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (=
more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow fo=
r easy removal/resintallation.=C2=A0 Until Joe Alexander produces a silicon=
e sump gasket I will continue to do so.=C2=A0 ;-)
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <[email-masked]>
To: 'bill beecher' <[email-masked]>; 'Triumphs' <[email-masked]=
m.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

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6345 I have had good results with Permatex =E2=80=9CUltra Black=E2=80=9D ga=
sket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only=
 Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. No=
w, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north wit=
h 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east w=
ith 4 cyl. engines,=C2=A0 etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local N=
APA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that you =
can buy. =C2=A0I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are n=
o longer available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only al=
ternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another castin=
g =E2=80=93 in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pr=
essed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be=
 much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a =
thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problem=
s are the result of excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction scre=
ens, bearings, oil galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get ver=
y nervous when I am repairing somebody=E2=80=99s tractor or whatever and I =
see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compartment. I=E2=80=99m sure th=
at many leaks are the result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet cov=
ers, etc. due to a previous =E2=80=9Cmechanic=E2=80=9D overtightening bolts=
. =E2=80=9CIf 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be better=E2=80=9D Unless =
you have access to a granite or cast iron surface plate, it can be difficul=
t to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years ago when I was teaching in th=
e shop, I would use the surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a m=
akeshift surface plate when checking small parts for flatness. =C2=A0Alex T=
homson =C2=A0From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Beh=
alf Of bill beecher
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
To: 'Triumphs'
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer? =C2=A0Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh=
 powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.=C2=A0 My first thought=
 is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom=
 of the List on this?=C2=A0=C2=A0 BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condi=
tion. =C2=A0Thanks,BillTS30800L

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<div> <font size=3D"3">A couple advisories about using RTV that I have pick=
ed up over the years.&nbsp; <br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Not all RTV sealants are the same.&nbsp; Some are oil=
 resistant and others are not.&nbsp; "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resist=
ant and are intended for sealing windshields and such.&nbsp; Check the manu=
facturer's website.&nbsp; Ultra Black, I believe, is oil resistant.&nbsp; N=
one, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant.<br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">When&nbsp; using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and=
 assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant partially set before tighte=
ning.&nbsp; This will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strin=
gs and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing =
all manner of expensive problems.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece=
 of thread or string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensu=
ring that there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint.</font>=
</div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side=
 to stick the gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non=
 hardening to allow for easy removal/resintallation.&nbsp; Until Joe Alexan=
der produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.&nbsp; ;-)</fo=
nt><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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Original Message-----<br>
From: Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: 'bill beecher' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; 'Triumphs' &lt;triumphs@=
autox.team.net&gt;<br>
Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?<br>
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<div class=3D"yiv5478696345MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color=
:#1F497D;">I have had good results with Permatex =E2=80=9CUltra Black=E2=80=
=9D gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there wa=
s only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliab=
le. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling nor=
th with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling =
east with 4 cyl. engines,&nbsp; etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the l=
ocal NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite tha=
t you can buy.</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5478696345MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color=
:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5478696345MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color=
:#1F497D;">I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no lo=
nger available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only altern=
ative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting =
=E2=80=93 in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pres=
sed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be m=
uch more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a th=
icker bead. But we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems =
are the result of excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screen=
s, bearings, oil galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very =
nervous when I am repairing somebody=E2=80=99s tractor or whatever and I se=
e ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compartment. I=E2=80=99m sure that=
 many leaks are the result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet cover=
s, etc. due to a previous =E2=80=9Cmechanic=E2=80=9D overtightening bolts. =
=E2=80=9CIf 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be better=E2=80=9D Unless yo=
u have access to a granite or cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult =
to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the =
shop, I would use the surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a mak=
eshift surface plate when checking small parts for flatness.</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5478696345MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color=
:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5478696345MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color=
:#1F497D;">Alex Thomson</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5478696345MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color=
:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></div>

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From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> Triumphs [mailto:triumph=
[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>bill beecher<br clear=3D"none=
"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:<=
/b> 'Triumphs'<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?</span=
></div>
</div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv5478696345MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv5478696345MsoNormal">Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fre=
sh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.&nbsp; My first thoug=
ht is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisd=
om of the List on this?&nbsp;&nbsp; BTW, both surfaces are in excellent con=
dition.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv5478696345MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv5478696345MsoNormal">Thanks,</div>

<div class=3D"yiv5478696345MsoNormal">Bill</div>

<div class=3D"yiv5478696345MsoNormal">TS30800L</div>
</div>
</div>
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Thanks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too.  Joe, how about it?

Bill

=20

From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

=20

A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the =
years. =20

=20

Not all RTV sealants are the same.  Some are oil resistant and others =
are not.  "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for =
sealing windshields and such.  Check the manufacturer's website.  Ultra =
Black, I believe, is oil resistant.  None, as far as I know, are =
gasoline resistant.

=20

When  using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts =
loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.  This will =
reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and =
dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all =
manner of expensive problems.

=20

When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or =
string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that =
there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint.

=20

=20

As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the =
gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening =
to allow for easy removal/resintallation.  Until Joe Alexander produces =
a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.  ;-)

=20

Dave=20

=20

=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <[email-masked] =
To: 'bill beecher' <[email-masked] =
Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

I have had good results with Permatex =E2=80=9CUltra Black=E2=80=9D =
gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was =
only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly =
pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars =
travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color =
cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,  etc., etc. The choices on the =
rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the =
varieties of Loctite that you can buy.

=20

I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer =
available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only =
alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another =
casting =E2=80=93 in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When =
there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know =
that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface =
which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and =
other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming =
entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other =
places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing =
somebody=E2=80=99s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV =
sealer inside of a compartment. I=E2=80=99m sure that many leaks are the =
result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a =
previous =E2=80=9Cmechanic=E2=80=9D overtightening bolts. =E2=80=9CIf 20 =
ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be better=E2=80=9D Unless you have =
access to a granite or cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to =
determine if an oil pan is warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the =
shop, I would use the surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a =
makeshift surface plate when checking small parts for flatness.

=20

Alex Thomson

=20

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
bill beecher
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
To: 'Triumphs'
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

=20

Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering =
about the best sealer.  My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side =
of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?   BTW, =
both surfaces are in excellent condition.

=20

Thanks,

Bill

TS30800L

=20

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it?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
DAVID MASSEY [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, =
February 5, 2020 7:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]; [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[TR] Oil Pan Sealer?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>A couple advisories =
about using RTV that I have picked up over the years.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Not all RTV =
sealants are the same.&nbsp; Some are oil resistant and others are =
not.&nbsp; &quot;Automotive&quot; RTV may not be oil resistant and are =
intended for sealing windshields and such.&nbsp; Check the =
manufacturer's website.&nbsp; Ultra Black, I believe, is oil =
resistant.&nbsp; None, as far as I know, are gasoline =
resistant.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>When&nbsp; using =
RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts loosely and let =
the sealant partially set before tightening.&nbsp; This will reduce the =
tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleberries which can =
clog the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of expensive =
problems.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>When using RTV in =
the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along the joint =
to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer of =
sealant at all points along the =
joint.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>As for me, I prefer =
to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) =
permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy =
removal/resintallation.&nbsp; Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone =
sump gasket I will continue to do so.&nbsp; =
;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r>To: 'bill beecher' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; =
'Triumphs' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r>Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm<br>Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan =
Sealer?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3Dyiv5478696345><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I have had good =
results with Permatex =E2=80=9CUltra Black=E2=80=9D gasket maker. Part # =
82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 =
which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it =
seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 =
cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east =
with 4 cyl. engines,&nbsp; etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the =
local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite =
that you can buy.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span=
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I have found that =
many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone =
and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is =
one casting being sealed against another casting =E2=80=93 in those =
cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover =
being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a =
chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. =
But we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the =
result of excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, =
bearings, oil galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very =
nervous when I am repairing somebody=E2=80=99s tractor or whatever and I =
see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compartment. I=E2=80=99m sure =
that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, =
tappet covers, etc. due to a previous =E2=80=9Cmechanic=E2=80=9D =
overtightening bolts. =E2=80=9CIf 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be =
better=E2=80=9D Unless you have access to a granite or cast iron surface =
plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years =
ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big =
table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking =
small parts for flatness.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span=
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Alex =
Thomson</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span=
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=3Dyiv5478696345yqt88667><div><div =
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0in 0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Fro=
m:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Triumphs [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:triumphs-bounces@a=
utox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>bill beecher<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
'Triumphs'<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] Oil Pan =
Sealer?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Rep=
lacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about =
the best sealer.&nbsp; My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of =
the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on =
this?&nbsp;&nbsp; BTW, both surfaces are in excellent =
condition.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Tha=
nks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Bil=
l<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>TS3=
0800L<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div =
id=3Dyqt73689><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 17:35:12 +0000 (UTC)

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 Which should he do first?=C2=A0 TR3/4 or TR6/GT6.=C2=A0 Or maybe the Spitf=
ire.
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: bill beecher <[email-masked]>
To: 'DAVID MASSEY' <[email-masked]>; aljlthomson <[email-masked]=
et>; triumphs <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Feb 5, 2020 9:22 am
Subject: RE: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

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ill =C2=A0From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]; [email-masked]=
t
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer? =C2=A0A couple advisories about using RTV=
 that I have picked up over the years.=C2=A0  =C2=A0Not all RTV sealants ar=
e the same.=C2=A0 Some are oil resistant and others are not.=C2=A0 "Automot=
ive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields =
and such.=C2=A0 Check the manufacturer's website.=C2=A0 Ultra Black, I beli=
eve, is oil resistant.=C2=A0 None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant=
. =C2=A0When=C2=A0 using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the =
parts loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.=C2=A0 Th=
is will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleb=
erries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of =
expensive problems. =C2=A0When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a p=
iece of thread or string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact =
ensuring that there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint. =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick=
 the gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardenin=
g to allow for easy removal/resintallation.=C2=A0 Until Joe Alexander produ=
ces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.=C2=A0 ;-) =C2=A0Dave  =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0-----Original Message-----
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <[email-masked]>
To: 'bill beecher' <[email-masked]>; 'Triumphs' <[email-masked]=
m.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?I have had good results with Permatex =E2=
=80=9CUltra Black=E2=80=9D gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember t=
hat years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which =
remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for wh=
ite cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark=
 color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,=C2=A0 etc., etc. The choic=
es on the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the v=
arieties of Loctite that you can buy.=C2=A0I have found that many gaskets f=
or tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the gas=
ket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being s=
ealed against another casting =E2=80=93 in those cases, a very small bead i=
s needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting,=
 you know that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent int=
erface which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine =
and other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming=
 entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places. =
Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody=E2=80=99=
s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a comp=
artment. I=E2=80=99m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pa=
ns, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous =E2=80=9Cmechanic=
=E2=80=9D overtightening bolts. =E2=80=9CIf 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 m=
ust be better=E2=80=9D Unless you have access to a granite or cast iron sur=
face plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years=
 ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big ta=
ble saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small pa=
rts for flatness.=C2=A0Alex Thomson=C2=A0From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bo=
[email-masked]] On Behalf Of bill beecher
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
To: 'Triumphs'
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?=C2=A0Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh =
powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.=C2=A0 My first thought =
is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom =
of the List on this?=C2=A0=C2=A0 BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condit=
ion.=C2=A0Thanks,BillTS30800L =C2=A0
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<div> <font size=3D"3">Which should he do first?&nbsp; TR3/4 or TR6/GT6.&nb=
sp; Or maybe the Spitfire.<br>
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<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----=
Original Message-----<br>
From: bill beecher &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: 'DAVID MASSEY' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; aljlthomson &lt;aljlthomson@=
charter.net&gt;; triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Wed, Feb 5, 2020 9:22 am<br>
Subject: RE: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?<br>
<br>

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nks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too.&nbsp; Joe, how about it?</span></di=
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l</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"> &n=
bsp;</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">=
From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"> DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dav=
[email-masked]] <br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 5, 202=
0 7:26 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; bill_beeche=
[email-masked]; [email-masked]<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[TR] Oil Pan Sealer?</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span>A couple advisories about using=
 RTV that I have picked up over the years.&nbsp; </span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span>Not all RTV sealants are the sa=
me.&nbsp; Some are oil resistant and others are not.&nbsp; "Automotive" RTV=
 may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields and such=
.&nbsp; Check the manufacturer's website.&nbsp; Ultra Black, I believe, is =
oil resistant.&nbsp; None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant.</span>=
</div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span>When&nbsp; using RTV sealants, =
apply an even bead and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant parti=
ally set before tightening.&nbsp; This will reduce the tendency for the sea=
lant to ooze out strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages =
in the engine causing all manner of expensive problems.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span>When using RTV in the absence o=
f a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along the joint to prevent metal=
-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer of sealant at all points a=
long the joint.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span>As for me, I prefer to use Form=
agasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) permanently to on=
e part and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/resintallation.&=
nbsp; Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue t=
o do so.&nbsp; ;-)</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;">Dave </span><span></span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">F=
rom: Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"r=
ect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" removedli=
nk__59f96aa4-7996-480b-b105-9c2dddaa6319__href=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@charte=
r.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">To: 'bill beecher'=
 &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:bill_b=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__59f96aa4-7996-480b-b105-9c=
2dddaa6319__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt;; 'Triumphs' &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailt=
o=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__59f96aa=
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[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 p=
m<br clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span>I have had good results with Pe=
rmatex =E2=80=9CUltra Black=E2=80=9D gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to =
remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and=
 #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket g=
oop for white cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different produc=
t for dark color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,&nbsp; etc., etc.=
 The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just =
like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy.</span><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;"></span></div>
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t-size:10.0pt;"></span></div>
</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span>I have found that many gaskets =
for tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the ga=
sket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being =
sealed against another casting =E2=80=93 in those cases, a very small bead =
is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting=
, you know that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent in=
terface which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine=
 and other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becomin=
g entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places.=
 Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody=E2=80=
=99s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a c=
ompartment. I=E2=80=99m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil=
 pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous =E2=80=9Cmechani=
c=E2=80=9D overtightening bolts. =E2=80=9CIf 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 =
must be better=E2=80=9D Unless you have access to a granite or cast iron su=
rface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Year=
s ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big t=
able saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small p=
arts for flatness.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span>Alex Thomson</span><span style=
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<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">=
From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> Triumphs [<a rel=3D"noop=
ener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__59f96aa4-7996-480b-b105-9c2dddaa6319=
__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:triumphs-bounces@a=
utox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>bill beecher<br clear=3D"none"><b>Se=
nt:</b> Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> 'Tr=
iumphs'<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">&nb=
sp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Rep=
lacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the=
 best sealer.&nbsp; My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the g=
asket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?&nbsp;&nbsp; BTW, =
both surfaces are in excellent condition.</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">&nb=
sp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Tha=
nks,</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Bil=
l</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">TS3=
0800L</span></div>
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My vote is for the TR2/3/4, just a personal choice.   They are older and =
probably more of them out there with slightly questionable oil pans that =
a nice silicone gasket could help overcome minor issues.

=20

Bill

=20

From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 11:35 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

=20

Which should he do first?  TR3/4 or TR6/GT6.  Or maybe the Spitfire.

=20

Dave=20

=20

=20

-----Original Message-----
From: bill beecher <[email-masked] =
Sent: Wed, Feb 5, 2020 9:22 am
Subject: RE: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

Bill

=20

=20

=20

Not all RTV sealants are the same.  Some are oil resistant and others =
are not.  "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for =
sealing windshields and such  Check the manufacturer's website.  Ultra =
Black, I believe, is oil resistant.  None, as far as I know, are =
gasoline resistant.

=20

=20

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Dave=20

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=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <[email-masked] =
To: 'bill beecher' <[email-masked] =
Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

=20

=20

Alex Thomson

=20

=20

=20

Thanks,

Bill

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>My vote is for the TR2/3/4, just a personal choice.=C2=A0 =C2=A0They =
are older and probably more of them out there with slightly questionable =
oil pans that a nice silicone gasket could help overcome minor =
issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
DAVID MASSEY [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, =
February 5, 2020 11:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]; [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[TR] Oil Pan Sealer?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Which should he do =
first?&nbsp; TR3/4 or TR6/GT6.&nbsp; Or maybe the =
Spitfire.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: bill beecher &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
To: 'DAVID MASSEY' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; =
aljlthomson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; =
triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r>Sent: Wed, Feb 5, 2020 9:22 am<br>Subject: RE: [TR] Oil Pan =
Sealer?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3Dyiv2913144452><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Tha=
nks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too.&nbsp; Joe, how about =
it?</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Bil=
l</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=3Dyiv2913144452yqt78013><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Fro=
m:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
DAVID MASSEY [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b=
>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>A =
couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the =
years.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Not=
 all RTV sealants are the same.&nbsp; Some are oil resistant and others =
are not.&nbsp; &quot;Automotive&quot; RTV may not be oil resistant and =
are intended for sealing windshields and such&nbsp; Check the =
manufacturer's website.&nbsp; Ultra Black, I believe, is oil =
resistant.&nbsp; None, as far as I know, are gasoline =
resistant.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Whe=
n&nbsp; using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts =
loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.&nbsp; This =
will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and =
dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all =
manner of expensive =
problems.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Whe=
n using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string =
along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is =
a layer of sealant at all points along the =
joint.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>As =
for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket =
(more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to =
allow for easy removal/resintallation.&nbsp; Until Joe Alexander =
produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.&nbsp; =
;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r>To: 'bill beecher' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; =
'Triumphs' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r>Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm<br>Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan =
Sealer?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3Dyiv2913144452><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"New serif",serif;color:black'>I have had good =
results with Permatex =E2=80=9CUltra Black=E2=80=9D gasket maker. Part # =
82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 =
which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it =
seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 =
cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east =
with 4 cyl. engines,&nbsp; etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the =
local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite =
that you can buy.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'>I have found that many gaskets for tractor =
restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the =
gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting =
being sealed against another casting =E2=80=93 in those cases, a very =
small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being =
assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a =
chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. =
But we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the =
result of excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, =
bearings, oil galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very =
nervous when I am repairing somebody=E2=80=99s tractor or whatever and I =
see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compartment. I=E2=80=99m sure =
that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, =
tappet covers, etc. due to a previous =E2=80=9Cmechanic=E2=80=9D =
overtightening bolts. =E2=80=9CIf 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be =
better=E2=80=9D Unless you have access to a granite or cast iron surface =
plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years =
ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big =
table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking =
small parts for flatness.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'>Alex =
Thomson<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3Dyiv2913144452yqt88667><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New serif",serif;color:black'> =
Triumphs [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:triumphs-bounces@a=
utox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>bill beecher<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
'Triumphs'<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><=
div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'>Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder =
coating and wondering about the best sealer.&nbsp; My first thought is a =
bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of =
the List on this?&nbsp;&nbsp; BTW, both surfaces are in excellent =
condition.</span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'>Thanks,</span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'>Bill</span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'>TS30800L</span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><=
/div></div><div id=3Dyiv2913144452yqt73689><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
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I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't=
 work out=2E Not sure what the issue was=2E He did mention the need for ste=
el inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicke=
r gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like =
the clutch slave brace)=2E But that's just a guess, I never heard the detai=
ls=2E
-- Randall

On 5 February 2020 07:21:52 GMT-08:00, bill beecher <bill_beecher@flash=2E=
net> wrote:
>Thanks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too=2E  Joe, how about it?
>
>Bill
>
>=20
>
>From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey@cs=2Ecom]=20
>To: aljlthomson@charter=2Enet; bill_beecher@flash=2Enet;
>triumphs@autox=2Eteam=2Enet
>A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the
>years=2E =20
>
>=20
>
>Not all RTV sealants are the same=2E  Some are oil resistant and others
>are not=2E  "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended
>for sealing windshields and such=2E  Check the manufacturer's website=2E=
=20
>Ultra Black, I believe, is oil resistant=2E  None, as far as I know, are
>gasoline resistant=2E
>
>=20
>
>When  using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts
>loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening=2E  This will
>reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and
>dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all
>manner of expensive problems=2E
>
>=20
>
>When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or
>string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that
>there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint=2E
>
>=20
>
>=20
>
>As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the
>gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening
>to allow for easy removal/resintallation=2E  Until Joe Alexander produces
>a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so=2E  ;-)
>
>=20
>
>Dave=20
>
>=20
>
>=20
>
>From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@charter=2Enet
>To: 'bill beecher' <bill_beecher@flash=2Enet
net
>I have had good results with Permatex =E2=80=9CUltra Black=E2=80=9D gaske=
t maker=2E Part
># 82180=2E I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1
>which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable=2E Now, it
>seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with
>6 cyl=2E engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east
>with 4 cyl=2E engines,  etc=2E, etc=2E The choices on the rack at the loc=
al
>NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that
>you can buy=2E
>
>=20
>
>I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer
>available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only
>alternative=2E Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another
>casting =E2=80=93 in those cases, a very small bead is needed=2E When the=
re is a
>pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there
>will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will
>require a thicker bead=2E But we all know that many engine and other
>drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming
>entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other
>places=2E Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing
>somebody=E2=80=99s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV seal=
er
>inside of a compartment=2E I=E2=80=99m sure that many leaks are the resul=
t of
>deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc=2E due to a previous
>=E2=80=9Cmechanic=E2=80=9D overtightening bolts=2E =E2=80=9CIf 20 ft=2E-l=
bs=2E are good, then 40 must
>be better=E2=80=9D Unless you have access to a granite or cast iron surfa=
ce
>plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped=2E Years
>ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big
>table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking
>small parts for flatness=2E
>
>=20
>
>Alex Thomson
>
>=20
>
>From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox=2Eteam=2Enet] On Behalf Of
>bill beecher
>Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering
>about the best sealer=2E  My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side
>of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this? =20
>BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition=2E
>
>=20
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bill
>
>TS30800L
>
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" vlink=3D"purple">I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan ga=
sket, and it didn't work out=2E Not sure what the issue was=2E He did menti=
on the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which =
might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the botto=
m of the pan (like the clutch slave brace)=2E But that's just a guess, I ne=
ver heard the details=2E<br>-- Randall<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On=
 5 February 2020 07:21:52 GMT-08:00, bill beecher &lt;bill_beecher@flash=2E=
net&gt; wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0p=
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<div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:11=2E0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks=
 Dave, I was thinking about Joe too=2E&nbsp; Joe, how about it?<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11=2E0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11=2E0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11=2E0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11=2E0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey=
@cs=2Ecom] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM<br><b>To:</=
b> aljlthomson@charter=2Enet; bill_beecher@flash=2Enet; triumphs@autox=2Ete=
am=2Enet<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">A cou=
ple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the years=2E&nbsp=
; <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Not all RTV sealants are the same=2E&nbsp;=
 Some are oil resistant and others are not=2E&nbsp; "Automotive" RTV may no=
t be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields and such=2E&nbs=
p; Check the manufacturer's website=2E&nbsp; Ultra Black, I believe, is oil=
 resistant=2E&nbsp; None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant=2E<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;=
,sans-serif;color:black">When&nbsp; using RTV sealants, apply an even bead =
and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant partially set before tig=
htening=2E&nbsp; This will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out =
strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine cau=
sing all manner of expensive problems=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-seri=
f;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">When=
 using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along=
 the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer=
 of sealant at all points along the joint=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">As for me, I pref=
er to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) per=
manently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/re=
sintallation=2E&nbsp; Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I=
 will continue to do so=2E&nbsp; ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;co=
lor:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" st=
yle=3D"margin-bottom:12=2E0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:13=2E5pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Dave </span><span style=3D"font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;=
,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:b=
lack"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin-bottom:12=2E0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10=2E0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>From=
: Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@charter=2Enet"=
>aljlthomson@charter=2Enet</a>&gt;<br>To: 'bill beecher' &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:bill_beecher@flash=2Enet">bill_beecher@flash=2Enet</a>&gt;; 'Triumphs' =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox=2Eteam=2Enet">triumphs@autox=2Eteam=2E=
net</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm<br>Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan =
Sealer?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3D"yiv5478696345"><div><div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;c=
olor:#1F497D">I have had good results with Permatex =E2=80=9CUltra Black=E2=
=80=9D gasket maker=2E Part # 82180=2E I seem to remember that years ago, t=
here was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightl=
y pliable=2E Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars trave=
lling north with 6 cyl=2E engines, a different product for dark color cars =
travelling east with 4 cyl=2E engines,&nbsp; etc=2E, etc=2E The choices on =
the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieti=
es of Loctite that you can buy=2E</span><span style=3D"font-size:10=2E0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10=2E0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I have found that many gaskets for tractor=
 restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-t=
ube is the only alternative=2E Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed ag=
ainst another casting =E2=80=93 in those cases, a very small bead is needed=
=2E When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you k=
now that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface=
 which will require a thicker bead=2E But we all know that many engine and =
other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming ent=
angled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places=2E Tr=
uthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody=E2=80=99s =
tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compar=
tment=2E I=E2=80=99m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pa=
ns, valve covers, tappet covers, etc=2E due to a previous =E2=80=9Cmechanic=
=E2=80=9D overtightening bolts=2E =E2=80=9CIf 20 ft=2E-lbs=2E are good, the=
n 40 must be better=E2=80=9D Unless you have access to a granite or cast ir=
on surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped=
=2E Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of o=
ur big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking=
 small parts for flatness=2E</span><span style=3D"font-size:10=2E0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div=
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t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Alex Thomson</span><span style=3D"font-size:10=
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pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;=
Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size=
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</span></p></div><div id=3D"yiv5478696345yqt88667"><div><div style=3D"borde=
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p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10=2E0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10=2E0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> Triumph=
s [<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox=2Eteam=2Enet">mailto:triumphs-b=
ounces@autox=2Eteam=2Enet</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>bill beecher<br><b>Sent:=
</b> Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Triumphs'<br><b>Subj=
ect:</b> [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10=2E0pt;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10=2E0pt;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh =
powder coating and wondering about the best sealer=2E&nbsp; My first though=
t is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdo=
m of the List on this?&nbsp;&nbsp; BTW, both surfaces are in excellent cond=
ition=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
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e=3D"font-size:10=2E0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:blac=
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From: Darrell Walker <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 15:02:16 -0800

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> On Feb 5, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Randall <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it =
didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need =
for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might =
mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom =
of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I =
never heard the details.
> =E2=80=94 Randall

I actually have one of Justin=E2=80=99s gaskets on my car.  It came with =
some spring-loaded bolts (Thackary?) and safety wire.  It seems to work =
well.  Mine is on an alloy sump.  I don=E2=80=99t think he ever =
made/sold many.

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class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Feb 5, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Randall &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span=
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12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
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text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">I know Justin Wagner tried to do =
a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the =
issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket =
from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with =
things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). =
But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
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style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
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display: inline !important;" class=3D"">=E2=80=94 Randall</span><br =
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class=3D""></div>I actually have one of Justin=E2=80=99s gaskets on my =
car. &nbsp;It came with some spring-loaded bolts (Thackary?) and safety =
wire. &nbsp;It seems to work well. &nbsp;Mine is on an alloy sump. =
&nbsp;I don=E2=80=99t think he ever made/sold many.<div class=3D""><br =
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From: tom boggiano <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 18:16:20 -0500

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I had on of Justin=E2=80=99s sump gaskets.  There were a couple of challenge=
s You could not over tighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety wire=
 that had to be used to keep the bolts from backing out=20

The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not quite right=20=

But, the kit came with all the parts to install and it took care of the non f=
lat pan issues I had. =20

Tom

> On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFI know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and=
 it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need fo=
r steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a th=
icker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (li=
ke the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the detai=
ls.
> -- Randall
>=20
>> On 5 February 2020 07:21:52 GMT-08:00, bill beecher <[email-masked]=
et> wrote:
>> To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]; [email-masked].=
net
=20
>> =20
>> Not all RTV sealants are the same.  Some are oil resistant and others are=
 not.  "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealin=
g windshields and such.  Check the manufacturer's website.  Ultra Black, I b=
elieve, is oil resistant.  None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant.
>> =20
>> When  using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts loose=
ly and let the sealant partially set before tightening.  This will reduce th=
e tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleberries which can c=
log the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of expensive problems.=

>> =20
>> When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string=
 along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a l=
ayer of sealant at all points along the joint.
>> =20
>> =20
>> As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket=
 (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow f=
or easy removal/resintallation.  Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sum=
p gasket I will continue to do so.  ;-)
>> Dave
>> To: 'bill beecher' <[email-masked]>; 'Triumphs' <[email-masked]=
eam.net>
>> I have had good results with Permatex =E2=80=9CUltra Black=E2=80=9D gaske=
t maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Per=
matex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it=
 seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 cy=
l. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east with 4 c=
yl. engines,  etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can=
 be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy.
>> =20
>> I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer avai=
lable from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Som=
etimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting =E2=80=93 in t=
hose cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover=
 being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a ch=
ance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But w=
e all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of e=
xcess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil gal=
leries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am rep=
airing somebody=E2=80=99s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV s=
ealer inside of a compartment. I=E2=80=99m sure that many leaks are the resu=
lt of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous=
 =E2=80=9Cmechanic=E2=80=9D overtightening bolts. =E2=80=9CIf 20 ft.-lbs. ar=
e good, then 40 must be better=E2=80=9D Unless you have access to a granite o=
r cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is=
 warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface o=
f our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checki=
ng small parts for flatness.
>> =20
>> Alex Thomson
>> =20
>> From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of bill=
 beecher
>> Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering abou=
t the best sealer.  My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the ga=
sket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?   BTW, both surface=
s are in excellent condition.
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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s sump gaskets. &nbsp;There were a couple of challenges You could not over t=
ighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety wire that had to be used t=
o keep the bolts from backing out&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not q=
uite right&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">But, the k=
it came with all the parts to install and it took care of the non flat pan i=
ssues I had. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Tom</di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall &lt;TR3driver=
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e TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He d=
id mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed,=
 which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the=
 bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I=
 never heard the details.<br>-- Randall<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On=
 5 February 2020 07:21:52 GMT-08:00, bill beecher &lt;[email-masked]=
&gt; wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.=
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<div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks Dave=
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p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
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sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
if">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibr=
i&quot;,sans-serif"> DAVID MASSEY [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</=
b> Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]=
; [email-masked]; [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR=
] Oil Pan Sealer?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">A couple advisories about using RTV that I h=
ave picked up over the years.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Not all RTV s=
ealants are the same.&nbsp; Some are oil resistant and others are not.&nbsp;=
 "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing wind=
shields and such.&nbsp; Check the manufacturer's website.&nbsp; Ultra Black,=
 I believe, is oil resistant.&nbsp; None, as far as I know, are gasoline res=
istant.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">When&nbsp; using RTV sealants, apply an ev=
en bead and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant partially set bef=
ore tightening.&nbsp; This will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze o=
ut strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine c=
ausing all manner of expensive problems.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;c=
olor:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">When usin=
g RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along the j=
oint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer of sea=
lant at all points along the joint.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
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tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&=
quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">As for me, I prefer to use Formagas=
ket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) permanently to one par=
t and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/resintallation.&nbsp; U=
ntil Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.=
&nbsp; ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">=
<span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:black">Dave </span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-seri=
f;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family=
:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">-----O=
riginal Message-----<br>From: Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: 'bill beech=
er' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt;; 'Triumphs' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">triumphs@aut=
ox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm<br>Subject: Re: [TR] O=
il Pan Sealer?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3D"yiv5478696345"><div><div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-se=
rif;color:#1F497D">I have had good results with Permatex =E2=80=9CUltra Blac=
k=E2=80=9D gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, th=
ere was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly p=
liable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling n=
orth with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling=
 east with 4 cyl. engines,&nbsp; etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the l=
ocal NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that=
 you can buy.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&=
quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F4=
97D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497=
D">I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer avai=
lable from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Som=
etimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting =E2=80=93 in t=
hose cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover=
 being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a ch=
ance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But w=
e all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of e=
xcess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil gal=
leries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am rep=
airing somebody=E2=80=99s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV s=
ealer inside of a compartment. I=E2=80=99m sure that many leaks are the resu=
lt of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous=
 =E2=80=9Cmechanic=E2=80=9D overtightening bolts. =E2=80=9CIf 20 ft.-lbs. ar=
e good, then 40 must be better=E2=80=9D Unless you have access to a granite o=
r cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is=
 warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface o=
f our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checki=
ng small parts for flatness.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-s=
erif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-ser=
if;color:#1F497D">Alex Thomson</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans=
-serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><di=
v id=3D"yiv5478696345yqt88667"><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:sol=
id #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> Triumphs [<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bou=
[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <b>On Behal=
f Of </b>bill beecher<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM<br>=
<b>To:</b> 'Triumphs'<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Replacing the TR3=
 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.&n=
bsp; My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is t=
he collective wisdom of the List on this?&nbsp;&nbsp; BTW, both surfaces are=
 in excellent condition.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif=
;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:black">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:=
black">Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"=
>TS30800L<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div id=3D"yqt7=
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From: Paul Tegler <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 15:31:51 -0500

...simple home brew....  stretch out wax paper on a very flat table and 
tape it down. Put a very small bead of silicone sealer dow nthe gasket 
surface and lay it silicone side down on the wax paper. Let it dry. you 
cna then repeat this on the other side.
Now when you install the gasket you have a solid gasket to keep it in 
line and the little bead of silicone takes care of any surface 
imperfections.
I've now reused the same pan gasket 6 times and still no leaks or need 
to over tighten

side line ...almost bought JW's business when he offered. ...just didn't 
have the time     :-)

ptegler

On 2/5/2020 6:16 PM, tom boggiano wrote:
> I had on of Justin’s sump gaskets.  There were a couple of challenges 
> You could not over tighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety 
> wire that had to be used to keep the bolts from backing out
>
> The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not quite right
>
> But, the kit came with all the parts to install and it took care of 
> the non flat pan issues I had.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>> On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall <

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