Subject: [TR] needs repaired

From: "Ron L'Herault" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:52:28 -0500

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Warning:   This is not Triumph related.   

I'm an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who had
sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I'd seen this usage.  Now
it appears in a mailing list message.

"Needs Restored like that one."

---------------------------------

I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what?   Then deep in the
recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying  "You will write 'needs
to be restored' 100 times on the blackboard. When you are done, you will
write 'needs restoration' 100 times as well."   

So, since it is not a Triumph question, if people want to answer privately,
super.   Do you use this sentence construction habitually?  In what part of
the country do you live?  I was not an English major. I'm definitely not a
great writer and don't spell everything correctly, but I'm extremely curious
to find out the extent of the usage and this is a nice friendly group who
may be able to help me. 

Let's hear it for fluif.

Ron L'Herault 

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class=3DMsoNormal>Warning:&nbsp;&nbsp; This is not Triumph =
related.&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I&#8217;m an =
uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who had =
sticks.&nbsp; 8-).&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Face Book, was the first =
place I&#8217;d seen this usage.&nbsp; Now it appears in a mailing list =
message.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&#8220;Needs Restored =
like that one.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>---------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>I look at that and first wonder, needs restored =
what?&nbsp;&nbsp; Then deep in the recesses of my mind, I hear Sister =
Thomasina saying&nbsp; &#8220;You will write &#8216;needs to be =
restored&#8217; 100 times on the blackboard. When you are done, you will =
write &#8216;needs restoration&#8217; 100 times as =
well.&#8221;&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>So, =
since it is not a Triumph question, if people want to answer privately, =
super.&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you use this sentence construction =
habitually?&nbsp; In what part of the country do you live?&nbsp; I was =
not an English major. I&#8217;m definitely not a great writer and =
don&#8217;t spell everything correctly, but I&#8217;m extremely curious =
to find out the extent of the usage and this is a nice friendly group =
who may be able to help me. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Let&#8217;s hear it for fluif.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Ron =
L&#8217;Herault <o:p></o:p></p><p =
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From: JOE CURRY <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 14:05:07 -0700 (MST)

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I resemble that remark!  :)

> On January 27, 2020 at 1:52 PM Ron L'Herault <[email-masked]> wrote=
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efinitely not a great writer and don=E2=80=99t spell everything correctly, =
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Never heard that line in Texas.=20
Bill

=E2=80=9CCactus Jack drinks coffee black......=E2=80=9D M.Murphy

> On Jan 27, 2020, at 3:05 PM, JOE CURRY <[email-masked]> wrote:
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>> On January 27, 2020 at 1:52 PM Ron L'Herault <[email-masked]> wrote=
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>> I=E2=80=99m an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nu=
ns who had sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I=E2=80=99d seen=
 this usage.  Now it appears in a mailing list message.
>> I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what?   Then deep in the r=
ecesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying  =E2=80=9CYou will write =E2=
=80=98needs to be restored=E2=80=99 100 times on the blackboard. When you ar=
e done, you will write =E2=80=98needs restoration=E2=80=99 100 times as well=
.=E2=80=9D =20
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y, super.   Do you use this sentence construction habitually?  In what part o=
f the country do you live?  I was not an English major. I=E2=80=99m definite=
ly not a great writer and don=E2=80=99t spell everything correctly, but I=E2=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Never heard that line in Texas.&nbsp;<div>B=
ill<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=9CCactus Jack drinks coffee black......=E2=
=80=9D M.Murphy</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 2=
7, 2020, at 3:05 PM, JOE CURRY &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></bloc=
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<p>I resemble that remark!&nbsp; :)</p><p><br></p><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
On January 27, 2020 at 1:52 PM Ron L'Herault &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wr=
ote: <br> <br><div class=3D"ox-fa320755a5-WordSection1"><p class=3D"ox-fa320=
755a5-MsoNormal">Warning:&nbsp;&nbsp; This is not Triumph related.&nbsp;&nbs=
p;</p><p class=3D"ox-fa320755a5-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ox-fa320755=
a5-MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m an uptight New Englander who was taught English gr=
ammar by nuns who had sticks.&nbsp; 8-).&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Face Book, w=
as the first place I=E2=80=99d seen this usage.&nbsp; Now it appears in a ma=
iling list message.</p><p class=3D"ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText">=E2=80=9CNeed=
s Restored like that one.=E2=80=9D</p><p class=3D"ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText=
">---------------------------------</p><p class=3D"ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainTex=
t">I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what?&nbsp;&nbsp; Then de=
ep in the recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying&nbsp; =E2=80=9C=
You will write =E2=80=98needs to be restored=E2=80=99 100 times on the black=
board. When you are done, you will write =E2=80=98needs restoration=E2=80=99=
 100 times as well.=E2=80=9D&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ox-fa320755a5-MsoPla=
inText">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText">So, since it is no=
t a Triumph question, if people want to answer privately, super.&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 Do you use this sentence construction habitually?&nbsp; In what part of the=
 country do you live?&nbsp; I was not an English major. I=E2=80=99m definite=
ly not a great writer and don=E2=80=99t spell everything correctly, but I=E2=
=80=99m extremely curious to find out the extent of the usage and this is a n=
ice friendly group who may be able to help me.</p><p class=3D"ox-fa320755a5-=
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From: EDWARD WOODS <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 17:19:04 -0500 (EST)

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   It is perfectly correct Pittsburghese.
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   <br> Never heard that line in Texas.&nbsp;
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     <p>I resemble that remark!&nbsp; :)</p>
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      On January 27, 2020 at 1:52 PM Ron L'Herault &lt;[email-masked]=
&gt; wrote:=20
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       <p class=3D"ox-14c1d57702-ox-fa320755a5-MsoNormal">Warning:&nbsp;&nb=
sp; This is not Triumph related.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
       <p class=3D"ox-14c1d57702-ox-fa320755a5-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
       <p class=3D"ox-14c1d57702-ox-fa320755a5-MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m an up=
tight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who had sticks.&=
nbsp; 8-).&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Face Book, was the first place I=E2=80=
=99d seen this usage.&nbsp; Now it appears in a mailing list message.</p>
       <p class=3D"ox-14c1d57702-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText">=E2=80=9CNeeds=
 Restored like that one.=E2=80=9D</p>
       <p class=3D"ox-14c1d57702-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText">--------------=
-------------------</p>
       <p class=3D"ox-14c1d57702-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText">I look at that=
 and first wonder, needs restored what?&nbsp;&nbsp; Then deep in the recess=
es of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying&nbsp; =E2=80=9CYou will write=
 =E2=80=98needs to be restored=E2=80=99 100 times on the blackboard. When y=
ou are done, you will write =E2=80=98needs restoration=E2=80=99 100 times a=
s well.=E2=80=9D&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
       <p class=3D"ox-14c1d57702-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
       <p class=3D"ox-14c1d57702-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText">So, since it i=
s not a Triumph question, if people want to answer privately, super.&nbsp;&=
nbsp; Do you use this sentence construction habitually?&nbsp; In what part =
of the country do you live?&nbsp; I was not an English major. I=E2=80=99m d=
efinitely not a great writer and don=E2=80=99t spell everything correctly, =
but I=E2=80=99m extremely curious to find out the extent of the usage and t=
his is a nice friendly group who may be able to help me.</p>
       <p class=3D"ox-14c1d57702-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
       <p class=3D"ox-14c1d57702-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText">Let=E2=80=99s =
hear it for fluif.</p>
       <p class=3D"ox-14c1d57702-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 17:19:12 -0500 (EST)

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For what it's worth, there are three types of grammar, maybe more now.  One=
:  prescriptive.  Two:  descriptive.  Three:  Transformational.

Sister Eloise with the stick was decidedly prescriptive.  Language "must" a=
dhere. =20

Trouble is, language is constantly evolving.  Sentence subjects are no long=
er as gender specific.  It's now okay to write lite instead of light.  Desc=
riptive grammar is how people actually use it.  Hence it's not inappropriat=
e to use the term "needs restored."

Transformational grammar is the study of language that takes it back to whe=
n it is first acquired as an infant.  Children "babble" in Chinese long bef=
ore they actually start speaking Chinese.  Deep structure is the term used =
for when a thought first becomes language and helps describe when ellipses =
remove words, yet we still understand the meaning:  "Needs [to be] restored=
 like that one."

I taught high school English for several years and my specialty was teachin=
g remedial writing to kids who had failed at that hands of English Nazis al=
l through school.  It took some major doing to get them to relax enough wit=
h language to realize that spelling, for instance, comes to English words f=
rom an anarchy of imported foreign languages, so don't sweat that you haven=
't memorized the difference between night and knight. =20

Obligatory Triumph content:  "I put fluif in my Triumf."

> On January 27, 2020 at 4:05 PM JOE CURRY <[email-masked]> wrote:
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>         > > On January 27, 2020 at 1:52 PM Ron L'Herault <lherault@verizo=
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> >         I=E2=80=99m an uptight New Englander who was taught English gra=
mmar by nuns who had sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I=E2=
=80=99d seen this usage.  Now it appears in a mailing list message.
> >         I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what?   Then de=
ep in the recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying  =E2=80=9CYou=
 will write =E2=80=98needs to be restored=E2=80=99 100 times on the blackbo=
ard. When you are done, you will write =E2=80=98needs restoration=E2=80=99 =
100 times as well.=E2=80=9D =20
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ght New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who had sticks.&nb=
sp; 8-).&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Face Book, was the first place I=E2=80=99d=
 seen this usage.&nbsp; Now it appears in a mailing list message.</p>
     <p class=3D"ox-a706b5d372-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText">=E2=80=9CNeeds R=
estored like that one.=E2=80=9D</p>
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-----------------</p>
     <p class=3D"ox-a706b5d372-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText">I look at that a=
nd first wonder, needs restored what?&nbsp;&nbsp; Then deep in the recesses=
 of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying&nbsp; =E2=80=9CYou will write =
=E2=80=98needs to be restored=E2=80=99 100 times on the blackboard. When yo=
u are done, you will write =E2=80=98needs restoration=E2=80=99 100 times as=
 well.=E2=80=9D&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
     <p class=3D"ox-a706b5d372-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
     <p class=3D"ox-a706b5d372-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText">So, since it is =
not a Triumph question, if people want to answer privately, super.&nbsp;&nb=
sp; Do you use this sentence construction habitually?&nbsp; In what part of=
 the country do you live?&nbsp; I was not an English major. I=E2=80=99m def=
initely not a great writer and don=E2=80=99t spell everything correctly, bu=
t I=E2=80=99m extremely curious to find out the extent of the usage and thi=
s is a nice friendly group who may be able to help me.</p>
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 16:16:48 -0800

The way I see it, the purpose of language is to communicate.  If you have
successfully communicated, then you have used language "good enuf".

Leaving out a couple of words or letters, especially when (perhaps) typing
on a device with limited screen size and no physical keys at all, seems
perfectly reasonable to me; as long as the meaning can still be discerned.

I often leave out words when texting with my friends; as well as in casual
conversation.  "Lunch?" is certainly not "grammatical" and yet just as
effective (and a lot easier to type) as "Are you available to join me for
lunch today?".  (Never mind the fact that I think I would look funny after
being joined with my friend.)

As far as women in funny clothes with sticks, look up "indoctrination" and
then "Stockholm Syndrome".

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Thanks Terry,

Well put, language is an arbitrary convention, as long as we agree and
understand what it means, it works.  The advent of cell phones and social
media has many more people using the written form of the English language
to communicate, using shorthand statements and writing how they speak.
Although it took me a while to get used to it, "my bad" from pick up
basketball is another example of one of those things that may grate on the
nerves, but you know what it means.

If you want to criticize grammar used in texts, social media, email, and
advertisements posted by greasy gear heads more power to you, but you are
fighting a battle that was lost long ago.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 4:19 PM TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote:

> For what it's worth, there are three types of grammar, maybe more now.
> One:  prescriptive.  Two:  descriptive.  Three:  Transformational.
>
> Sister Eloise with the stick was decidedly prescriptive.  Language "must"
> adhere.
>
> Trouble is, language is constantly evolving.  Sentence subjects are no
> longer as gender specific.  It's now okay to write lite instead of light.
> Descriptive grammar is how people actually use it.  Hence it's not
> inappropriate to use the term "needs restored."
>
> Transformational grammar is the study of language that takes it back to
> when it is first acquired as an infant.  Children "babble" in Chinese lon=
g
> before they actually start speaking Chinese.  Deep structure is the term
> used for when a thought first becomes language and helps describe when
> ellipses remove words, yet we still understand the meaning:  "Needs [to b=
e]
> restored like that one."
>
> I taught high school English for several years and my specialty was
> teaching remedial writing to kids who had failed at that hands of English
> Nazis all through school.  It took some major doing to get them to relax
> enough with language to realize that spelling, for instance, comes to
> English words from an anarchy of imported foreign languages, so don't swe=
at
> that you haven't memorized the difference between night and knight.
>
> On January 27, 2020 at 1:52 PM Ron L'Herault <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
ns who
> had sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I=E2=80=99d seen thi=
s usage.
> Now it appears in a mailing list message.
>
> recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying  =E2=80=9CYou will wr=
ite =E2=80=98needs
> to be restored=E2=80=99 100 times on the blackboard. When you are done, y=
ou will
> write =E2=80=98needs restoration=E2=80=99 100 times as well.=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> So, since it is not a Triumph question, if people want to answer
> privately, super.   Do you use this sentence construction habitually?  In
> what part of the country do you live?  I was not an English major. I=E2=
=80=99m
> definitely not a great writer and don=E2=80=99t spell everything correctl=
y, but I=E2=80=99m
> extremely curious to find out the extent of the usage and this is a nice
> friendly group who may be able to help me.
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks Terry,=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"auto">Well put, language is an arbitrary convention, as=
 long as we agree and understand what it means, it works.=C2=A0 The advent =
of cell phones and social media has many more people using the written form=
 of the English language to communicate, using shorthand statements and wri=
ting how they speak.=C2=A0 Although it took me a while to get used to it, &=
quot;my bad&quot; from pick up basketball is another example of one of thos=
e things that may grate on the nerves, but you know what it means.</div><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If you want to criticize grammar=
 used in texts, social media, email, and advertisements posted by greasy ge=
ar heads more power to you, but you are fighting a battle that was lost lon=
g ago.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon=C2=A0<=
/div><div dir=3D"auto">TR250</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 4:19 PM TERRY SMITH=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex"><u></u>

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   For what it&#39;s worth, there are three types of grammar, maybe more no=
w.=C2=A0 One:=C2=A0 prescriptive.=C2=A0 Two:=C2=A0 descriptive.=C2=A0 Three=
:=C2=A0 Transformational.
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   Sister Eloise with the stick was decidedly prescriptive.=C2=A0 Language =
&quot;must&quot; adhere.=C2=A0=C2=A0
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   <br>
  </div>
  <div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color=
:rgb(51,51,51)">
   Trouble is, language is constantly evolving.=C2=A0 Sentence subjects are=
 no longer as gender specific.=C2=A0 It&#39;s now okay to write lite instea=
d of light.=C2=A0 Descriptive grammar is how people actually use it.=C2=A0 =
Hence it&#39;s not inappropriate to use the term &quot;needs restored.&quot=
;
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:rgb(51,51,51)">
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:rgb(51,51,51)">
   Transformational grammar is the study of language that takes it back to =
when it is first acquired as an infant.=C2=A0 Children &quot;babble&quot; i=
n Chinese long before they actually start speaking Chinese.=C2=A0 Deep stru=
cture is the term used for when a thought first becomes language and helps =
describe when ellipses remove words, yet we still understand the meaning:=
=C2=A0 &quot;Needs [to be] restored like that one.&quot;
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:rgb(51,51,51)">
   I taught high school English for several years and my specialty was teac=
hing remedial writing to kids who had failed at that hands of English Nazis=
 all through school.=C2=A0 It took some major doing to get them to relax en=
ough with language to realize that spelling, for instance, comes to English=
 words from an anarchy of imported foreign languages, so don&#39;t sweat th=
at you haven&#39;t memorized the difference between night and knight.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
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   On January 27, 2020 at 4:05 PM JOE CURRY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spitlist@=
cox.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:=20
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   <p>I resemble that remark!=C2=A0 :)</p>
   <p><br></p>
   <blockquote type=3D"cite">
    On January 27, 2020 at 1:52 PM Ron L&#39;Herault &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">lhera=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:=20
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     <p>Warning:=C2=A0=C2=A0 This is not Triumph related.=C2=A0=C2=A0</p>
     <p>=C2=A0</p>
     <p>I=E2=80=99m an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar=
 by nuns who had sticks.=C2=A0 8-).=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Face Book, was =
the first place I=E2=80=99d seen this usage.=C2=A0 Now it appears in a mail=
ing list message.</p>
     <p>=E2=80=9CNeeds Restored like that one.=E2=80=9D</p>
     <p>---------------------------------</p>
     <p>I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what?=C2=A0=C2=A0 T=
hen deep in the recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying=C2=A0 =
=E2=80=9CYou will write =E2=80=98needs to be restored=E2=80=99 100 times on=
 the blackboard. When you are done, you will write =E2=80=98needs restorati=
on=E2=80=99 100 times as well.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0=C2=A0</p>
     <p>=C2=A0</p>
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Some people have an eye for this type of thing.  In my case, I'm drawn 
to extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at 
the end of a sentence.

https://www.feelingoodtees.com/let-s-eat-grandma-let-s-eat-grandma-punctuation-saves-lives-t-shirt
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On 1/27/2020 12:52 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote:
> I’m an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns 
> who had sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I’d seen this 
> usage.  Now it appears in a mailing list message.
>
> “Needs Restored like that one.”
>
> I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what?   Then deep in 
> the recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying  “You will 
> write ‘needs to be restored’ 100 times on the blackboard. When you are 
> done, you will write ‘needs restoration’ 100 times as well.”
>
> privately, super.   Do you use this sentence construction habitually?  
> In what part of the country do you live?  I was not an English major. 
> I’m definitely not a great writer and don’t spell everything 
> correctly, but I’m extremely curious to find out the extent of the 
> usage and this is a nice friendly group who may be able to help me.
>
> Let’s hear it for fluif.
>
> Ron L’Herault
>
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    Some people have an eye for this type of thing.  In my case, I'm
    drawn to extra spaces between words or a single space after the
    punctuation at the end of a sentence. <br>
    <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/27/2020 12:52 PM, Ron L'Herault
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Brian,
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B

> On Jan 28, 2020, at 10:16 PM, Brian Kemp <[email-masked]> wrote:
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On 1/27/2020 12:52 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote:
> I=E2=80=99m an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nun=
s who had sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I=E2=80=99d seen t=
his usage.  Now it appears in a mailing list message.
> =20
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, super.   Do you use this sentence construction habitually?  In what part o=
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<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://www.feelingoodtees.com/le=
t-s-eat-grandma-let-s-eat-grandma-punctuation-saves-lives-t-shirt">https://w=
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From: "Keith Stewart" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 19:09:23 -0500

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Two spaces after the punctuation at the end of a sentence was not a grammar
issue. It was a typewriter issue. Because of the fixed spacing of characters
on a typewriter, two spaces were used to clearly show the end of a sentence
and to separate it from the start of the next sentence. With the
proportional spacing in word processors and electronic devices, two spaces
no longer were necessary and in fact the use of two spaces clearly
identifies the author as a previously typewriter trained individual.

Keith Stewart

[email-masked]

From: Brian Kemp <[email-masked]> 
Sent: January 28, 2020 11:16 PM
To: Ron L'Herault <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

Some people have an eye for this type of thing.  In my case, I'm drawn to
extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at the
end of a sentence. 

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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Two spaces after =
the punctuation at the end of a sentence was not a grammar issue. It was =
a typewriter issue. Because of the fixed spacing of characters on a =
typewriter, two spaces were used to clearly show the end of a sentence =
and to separate it from the start of the next sentence. With the =
proportional spacing in word processors and electronic devices, two =
spaces no longer were necessary and in fact the use of two spaces =
clearly identifies the author as a previously typewriter trained =
individual.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>Keith =
Stewart<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>[email-masked]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:windowtext'> Brian Kemp =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> January 28, 2020 11:16 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Ron L'Herault &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] needs =
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of thing.&nbsp; In my case, I'm drawn to extra spaces between words or a =
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From: Greg Lemon <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 19:55:39 -0600

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I never knew about the two spaces thing not being a thing anymore, I guess
I am well on my way to dinasourhood.  btw that animal sentence needs fixed
lol

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 6:09 PM Keith Stewart <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Two spaces after the punctuation at the end of a sentence was not a
> grammar issue. It was a typewriter issue. Because of the fixed spacing of
> characters on a typewriter, two spaces were used to clearly show the end of
> a sentence and to separate it from the start of the next sentence. With the
> *From:* Brian Kemp <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* January 28, 2020 11:16 PM
> *To:* Ron L'Herault <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] needs repaired
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">I never knew about the two spaces thing not being a thing=
 anymore, I guess I am well on my way to dinasourhood.=C2=A0 btw that anima=
l sentence needs fixed lol<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Gre=
g Lemon</div><div dir=3D"auto">TR250</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 6:09 PM Kei=
th Stewart &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor=3D"w=
hite" lang=3D"EN-CA" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_-861404=
796486472374WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:windo=
wtext">Two spaces after the punctuation at the end of a sentence was not a =
grammar issue. It was a typewriter issue. Because of the fixed spacing of c=
haracters on a typewriter, two spaces were used to clearly show the end of =
a sentence and to separate it from the start of the next sentence. With the=
 proportional spacing in word processors and electronic devices, two spaces=
 no longer were necessary and in fact the use of two spaces clearly identif=
ies the author as a previously typewriter trained individual.<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:windowtext"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:windowt=
ext"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"c=
olor:windowtext">Keith Stewart<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"color:windowtext"><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a><u></u><u><=
/u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:windowtext"><u></=
u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:windo=
wtext"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"color:windowtext"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border=
:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:windowtext">From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:windowtext"> Brian Kemp &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">bk13@ea=
rthlink.net</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> January 28, 2020 11:16 PM<br><b>To:</b=
> Ron L&#39;Herault &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:t=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs@autox=
.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] needs repaired<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>Some people have an eye f=
or this type of thing.=C2=A0 In my case, I&#39;m drawn to extra spaces betw=
een words or a single space after the punctuation at the end of a sentence.=
 <br><br><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><=
/div></div>** <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a> **<br>
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From: Bud Rolofson <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 18:23:34 -0700

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Exactly, I took typing in eighth grade because there lots of girls in =
that class and I was a horny 13 yo.  But my 50 yo typing muscle memory =
will always space twice after a period. Can=E2=80=99t help it.

Busted.

Bud

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Keith Stewart <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
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> Two spaces after the punctuation at the end of a sentence was not a =
grammar issue. It was a typewriter issue. Because of the fixed spacing =
of characters on a typewriter, two spaces were used to clearly show the =
end of a sentence and to separate it from the start of the next =
sentence. With the proportional spacing in word processors and =
electronic devices, two spaces no longer were necessary and in fact the =
use of two spaces clearly identifies the author as a previously =
typewriter trained individual.
> To: Ron L'Herault <[email-masked] =
> Some people have an eye for this type of thing.  In my case, I'm drawn =
to extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at =
the end of a sentence.=20
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Exactly, I took typing in eighth grade because there lots of =
girls in that class and I was a horny 13 yo. &nbsp;But my 50 yo typing =
muscle memory will always space twice after a period. Can=E2=80=99t help =
it.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Busted.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Bud</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jan 29, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Keith Stewart &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: =
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0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: windowtext;" class=3D"">Two spaces =
after the punctuation at the end of a sentence was not a grammar issue. =
It was a typewriter issue. Because of the fixed spacing of characters on =
a typewriter, two spaces were used to clearly show the end of a sentence =
and to separate it from the start of the next sentence. With the =
proportional spacing in word processors and electronic devices, two =
spaces no longer were necessary and in fact the use of two spaces =
clearly identifies the author as a previously typewriter trained =
individual.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: windowtext;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: windowtext;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: windowtext;" class=3D"">Keith =
Stewart<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: windowtext;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: windowtext;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: windowtext;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: windowtext;" class=3D""><o:p =
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Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"color: windowtext;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color: windowtext;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Brian Kemp &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>January 28, 2020 11:16 =
PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Ron L'Herault &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [TR] needs repaired<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><br class=3D"">Some people have an eye for this type of =
thing.&nbsp; In my case, I'm drawn to extra spaces between words or a =
single space after the punctuation at the end of a sentence.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" =
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From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 19:37:54 -0700

On 1/30/20 6:23 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote:
> Exactly, I took typing in eighth grade because there lots of girls in 
> that class and I was a horny 13 yo.  But my 50 yo typing muscle memory 
> will always space twice after a period. Canâ€™t help it.
>
> Busted.
>
> Bud

I didn't take typing in high school because I didn't want to be 
pigeonholed as a secretary. In early years I went in to interview for a 
technical position with a degree in electronics & almost always was 
asked what my typing speed was. When I mentioned about a page ever 2 
hours or so, I got interviewed for the job I was applying for. I knew a 
woman with a Stanford masters in physics who in the mid 60s worked as a 
tech group secretary.

During college when I needed to submit typed papers, I traded typing for 
either a homemade apple pie or a ready to bake homemade lasagna. I 
single space between sentences only on emails. That is because my mailer 
produces strange characters when I double space a sentence. The books I 
have authored are all double spaced between sentences and my reviewers 
have forced me to use oxford comas. They are not used in technical papers.

TeriAnn

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From: <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 19:07:07 -0800

In 1990, when I graduated HS, if you were going to graduate and be "college bound", you had to take a typing class.  It was Sr. year and it was "Health" one semester, "Typing" the next or vice versa.

If you were "Vo-Tech" typing was an option, but "Health" was still mandatory.  

Same teacher taught both classes.  One of the most bitter and angry people I have ever met.   

The though of  "Health" class taught by an angry, frigid, humorless 60 year old woman still makes me wonder.  I guess if you had to manage the subject matter with a bunch of teenagers, many of whom were headed nowhere, after a few years, you would end up like that too.

Typing was one of the most valuable skills I ever learned.  

My kids all had typing classes in public schools in 1st and 2nd grade post 2010.   

Time and technology change everything. 

I wish I could learn to type on a phone and manage the "autocorrect", that would be something.

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:38 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

> will always space twice after a period. Canâ€™t help it.

I didn't take typing in high school because I didn't want to be pigeonholed as a secretary. In early years I went in to interview for a technical position with a degree in electronics & almost always was asked what my typing speed was. When I mentioned about a page ever 2 hours or so, I got interviewed for the job I was applying for. I knew a woman with a Stanford masters in physics who in the mid 60s worked as a tech group secretary.

During college when I needed to submit typed papers, I traded typing for either a homemade apple pie or a ready to bake homemade lasagna. I single space between sentences only on emails. That is because my mailer produces strange characters when I double space a sentence. The books I have authored are all double spaced between sentences and my reviewers have forced me to use oxford comas. They are not used in technical papers.

TeriAnn

Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]

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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:27:36 +0000 (UTC)

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 I never took a typing class, I am self taught.=C2=A0 I remember staying up=
 all night typing a report for class in highschool.=C2=A0 When I started wo=
rking there was no need for an engineer to type.=C2=A0 Enter the desk-top c=
omputer.=C2=A0 Now I spend most of my time staring at a screen typing on a =
keyboard.=C2=A0 Who'd a thunk?
=20
Dave=20

=20
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-----Original Message-----
From: jpaynepbr <[email-masked]>
To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <[email-masked]>; triumphs <[email-masked]=
am.net>
Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2020 9:07 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

In 1990, when I graduated HS, if you were going to graduate and be "college=
 bound", you had to take a typing class.=C2=A0 It was Sr. year and it was "=
Health" one semester, "Typing" the next or vice versa.

If you were "Vo-Tech" typing was an option, but "Health" was still mandator=
y.=C2=A0=20

Same teacher taught both classes.=C2=A0 One of the most bitter and angry pe=
ople I have ever met.=C2=A0=20

The though of=C2=A0 "Health" class taught by an angry, frigid, humorless 60=
 year old woman still makes me wonder.=C2=A0 I guess if you had to manage t=
he subject matter with a bunch of teenagers, many of whom were headed nowhe=
re, after a few years, you would end up like that too.

Typing was one of the most valuable skills I ever learned.=C2=A0=20

My kids all had typing classes in public schools in 1st and 2nd grade post =
2010.=C2=A0=20

Time and technology change everything.=20

I wish I could learn to type on a phone and manage the "autocorrect", that =
would be something.

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wa=
keman
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:38 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

On 1/30/20 6:23 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote:
> Exactly, I took typing in eighth grade because there lots of girls in=20
> that class and I was a horny 13 yo.=C2=A0 But my 50 yo typing muscle memo=
ry=20
> will always space twice after a period. Can=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t help=
 it.
> Bud

I didn't take typing in high school because I didn't want to be pigeonholed=
 as a secretary. In early years I went in to interview for a technical posi=
tion with a degree in electronics & almost always was asked what my typing =
speed was. When I mentioned about a page ever 2 hours or so, I got intervie=
wed for the job I was applying for. I knew a woman with a Stanford masters =
in physics who in the mid 60s worked as a tech group secretary.

During college when I needed to submit typed papers, I traded typing for ei=
ther a homemade apple pie or a ready to bake homemade lasagna. I single spa=
ce between sentences only on emails. That is because my mailer produces str=
ange characters when I double space a sentence. The books I have authored a=
re all double spaced between sentences and my reviewers have forced me to u=
se oxford comas. They are not used in technical papers.

TeriAnn

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<div> <font size=3D"3">I never took a typing class, I am self taught.&nbsp;=
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bsp; When I started working there was no need for an engineer to type.&nbsp=
; Enter the desk-top computer.&nbsp; Now I spend most of my time staring at=
 a screen typing on a keyboard.&nbsp; Who'd a thunk?</font><br>
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From: jpaynepbr &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; triumphs &lt;triumphs=
@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2020 9:07 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired<br>
<br>

<div dir=3D"ltr">In 1990, when I graduated HS, if you were going to graduat=
e and be "college bound", you had to take a typing class.&nbsp; It was Sr. =
year and it was "Health" one semester, "Typing" the next or vice versa.<br =
clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">If you were "Vo-Tech" typing was an optio=
n, but "Health" was still mandatory.&nbsp; <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"=
none">Same teacher taught both classes.&nbsp; One of the most bitter and an=
gry people I have ever met.&nbsp;  <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Th=
e though of&nbsp; "Health" class taught by an angry, frigid, humorless 60 y=
ear old woman still makes me wonder.&nbsp; I guess if you had to manage the=
 subject matter with a bunch of teenagers, many of whom were headed nowhere=
, after a few years, you would end up like that too.<br clear=3D"none"><br =
clear=3D"none">Typing was one of the most valuable skills I ever learned.&n=
bsp; <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">My kids all had typing classes i=
n public schools in 1st and 2nd grade post 2010.&nbsp;  <br clear=3D"none">=
<br clear=3D"none">Time and technology change everything. <br clear=3D"none=
"><br clear=3D"none">I wish I could learn to type on a phone and manage the=
 "autocorrect", that would be something.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"non=
e"><br clear=3D"none">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">From: Tr=
iumphs &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" removedlink__db9d0e28-591e-4599-87d4-e78a5=
7128e96__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">triumphs-bounces@a=
utox.team.net</a>&gt; On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman<br clear=3D"none">Sen=
t: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:38 PM<br clear=3D"none">To: <a shape=3D"rec=
t" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" r=
emovedlink__db9d0e28-591e-4599-87d4-e78a57128e96__href=3D"mailto:triumphs@a=
utox.team.net">[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [=
TR] needs repaired<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">On 1/30/20 6:23 PM,=
 Bud Rolofson wrote:<br clear=3D"none">&gt; Exactly, I took typing in eight=
h grade because there lots of girls in <br clear=3D"none">&gt; that class a=
nd I was a horny 13 yo.&nbsp; But my 50 yo typing muscle memory <br clear=
=3D"none">&gt; will always space twice after a period. Can=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=
=E2=84=A2t help it.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;<br clear=3D"none">&gt; Busted.<b=
r clear=3D"none">&gt;<br clear=3D"none">&gt; Bud<br clear=3D"none"><br clea=
r=3D"none">I didn't take typing in high school because I didn't want to be =
pigeonholed as a secretary. In early years I went in to interview for a tec=
hnical position with a degree in electronics &amp; almost always was asked =
what my typing speed was. When I mentioned about a page ever 2 hours or so,=
 I got interviewed for the job I was applying for. I knew a woman with a St=
anford masters in physics who in the mid 60s worked as a tech group secreta=
ry.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">During college when I needed to su=
bmit typed papers, I traded typing for either a homemade apple pie or a rea=
dy to bake homemade lasagna. I single space between sentences only on email=
s. That is because my mailer produces strange characters when I double spac=
e a sentence. The books I have authored are all double spaced between sente=
nces and my reviewers have forced me to use oxford comas. They are not used=
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From: Patrick Baize <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:56:10 -0600

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I never took typing in school. Later I tried to use "Mavis Beaves 
teaches typing", didn't work. I have been writing software for over 30 
years, I use 3 fingers, 1 on left hand, 2 on the right.

Patrick

On 1/31/2020 6:27 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> I never took a typing class, I am self taught.  I remember staying up 
> all night typing a report for class in highschool.  When I started 
> working there was no need for an engineer to type.  Enter the desk-top 
> computer. Now I spend most of my time staring at a screen typing on a 
> keyboard.  Who'd a thunk?
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <[email-masked]>; triumphs 
> <[email-masked]>
> In 1990, when I graduated HS, if you were going to graduate and be 
> "college bound", you had to take a typing class.  It was Sr. year and 
> it was "Health" one semester, "Typing" the next or vice versa.
>
> The though of  "Health" class taught by an angry, frigid, humorless 60 
> year old woman still makes me wonder.  I guess if you had to manage 
> the subject matter with a bunch of teenagers, many of whom were headed 
> nowhere, after a few years, you would end up like that too.
>
> pigeonholed as a secretary. In early years I went in to interview for 
> a technical position with a degree in electronics & almost always was 
> hours or so, I got interviewed for the job I was applying for. I knew 
> a woman with a Stanford masters in physics who in the mid 60s worked 
> as a tech group secretary.
>
> During college when I needed to submit typed papers, I traded typing 
> for either a homemade apple pie or a ready to bake homemade lasagna. I 
> single space between sentences only on emails. That is because my 
> mailer produces strange characters when I double space a sentence. The 
> books I have authored are all double spaced between sentences and my 
> reviewers have forced me to use oxford comas. They are not used in 
> technical papers.
>
> TeriAnn
>
>
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]

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    <p>I never took typing in school. Later I tried to use "Mavis Beaves
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        <div> <font size="3">I never took a typing class, I am self
            taught.  I remember staying up all night typing a report for
            class in highschool.  When I started working there was no
            need for an engineer to type.  Enter the desk-top computer. 
            Now I spend most of my time staring at a screen typing on a
            keyboard.  Who'd a thunk?</font><br>
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        <div style="clear:both"><font size="4">Dave </font><br>
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          style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original
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          From: jpaynepbr <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
          To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>; triumphs
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
          Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2020 9:07 pm<br>
          Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired<br>
          <br>
          <div dir="ltr">In 1990, when I graduated HS, if you were going
            to graduate and be "college bound", you had to take a typing
            class.  It was Sr. year and it was "Health" one semester,
            "Typing" the next or vice versa.<br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            If you were "Vo-Tech" typing was an option, but "Health" was
            still mandatory.  <br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            Same teacher taught both classes.  One of the most bitter
            and angry people I have ever met.  <br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            The though of  "Health" class taught by an angry, frigid,
            humorless 60 year old woman still makes me wonder.  I guess
            if you had to manage the subject matter with a bunch of
            teenagers, many of whom were headed nowhere, after a few
            years, you would end up like that too.<br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            Typing was one of the most valuable skills I ever learned. 
            <br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            My kids all had typing classes in public schools in 1st and
            2nd grade post 2010.  <br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            Time and technology change everything. <br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            I wish I could learn to type on a phone and manage the
            "autocorrect", that would be something.<br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            -----Original Message-----<br clear="none">
            From: Triumphs &lt;<a shape="rect"
              ymailto="mailto:[email-masked]"
              rel="noopener noreferrer"
removedlink__db9d0e28-591e-4599-87d4-e78a57128e96__href="mailto:[email-masked]"
              moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
            On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman<br clear="none">
            Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:38 PM<br clear="none">
            To: <a shape="rect"
              ymailto="mailto:[email-masked]" rel="noopener
              noreferrer"
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            Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired<br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            On 1/30/20 6:23 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote:<br clear="none">
            &gt; Exactly, I took typing in eighth grade because there
            lots of girls in <br clear="none">
            &gt; that class and I was a horny 13 yo.  But my 50 yo
            typing muscle memory <br clear="none">
            &gt; will always space twice after a period. Canâ€™t help
            it.<br clear="none">
            &gt;<br clear="none">
            &gt; Busted.<br clear="none">
            &gt;<br clear="none">
            &gt; Bud<br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            I didn't take typing in high school because I didn't want to
            be pigeonholed as a secretary. In early years I went in to
            interview for a technical position with a degree in
            electronics &amp; almost always was asked what my typing
            speed was. When I mentioned about a page ever 2 hours or so,
            I got interviewed for the job I was applying for. I knew a
            woman with a Stanford masters in physics who in the mid 60s
            worked as a tech group secretary.<br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
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            traded typing for either a homemade apple pie or a ready to
            bake homemade lasagna. I single space between sentences only
            on emails. That is because my mailer produces strange
            characters when I double space a sentence. The books I have
            authored are all double spaced between sentences and my
            reviewers have forced me to use oxford comas. They are not
            used in technical papers.<br clear="none">
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OH Ya, missed 2,  left pinky for shift and right thumb for space bar. 
haha , so 5.

Patrick

On 1/31/2020 6:56 PM, Patrick Baize wrote:
>> working there was no need for an engineer to type.  Enter the 
>> desk-top computer.  Now I spend most of my time staring at a screen 
>> typing on a keyboard.  Who'd a thunk?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> The though of  "Health" class taught by an angry, frigid, humorless 
>> 60 year old woman still makes me wonder.  I guess if you had to 
>> manage the subject matter with a bunch of teenagers, many of whom 
>> were headed nowhere, after a few years, you would end up like that too.
>>
>> for either a homemade apple pie or a ready to bake homemade lasagna. 
>> I single space between sentences only on emails. That is because my 
>> mailer produces strange characters when I double space a sentence. 
>> The books I have authored are all double spaced between sentences and 
>> my reviewers have forced me to use oxford comas. They are not used in 
>> technical papers.
>>
>> TeriAnn
>>
>>
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    <p>OH Ya, missed 2,  left pinky for shift and right thumb for space
      bar. haha , so 5.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Patrick<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/31/2020 6:56 PM, Patrick Baize
      wrote:<br>
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      <p>I never took typing in school. Later I tried to use "Mavis
        Beaves teaches typing", didn't work. I have been writing
        software for over 30 years, I use 3 fingers, 1 on left hand, 2
        on the right.  <br>
      </p>
      <p>Patrick</p>
      <p><br>
      </p>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/31/2020 6:27 AM, DAVID MASSEY
        wrote:<br>
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        cite="mid:[email-masked]">
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          sans-serif;">
          <div> <font size="3">I never took a typing class, I am self
              taught.  I remember staying up all night typing a report
              for class in highschool.  When I started working there was
              no need for an engineer to type.  Enter the desk-top
              computer.  Now I spend most of my time staring at a screen
              typing on a keyboard.  Who'd a thunk?</font><br>
          </div>
          <div> <br>
          </div>
          <div style="clear:both"><font size="4">Dave </font><br>
            <br>
          </div>
          <div> <br>
          </div>
          <div> <br>
          </div>
          <div
            style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original
            Message-----<br>
            From: jpaynepbr <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
              href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
            To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
              href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>;
            triumphs <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
              href="mailto:[email-masked]"
              moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
            Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2020 9:07 pm<br>
            Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired<br>
            <br>
            <div dir="ltr">In 1990, when I graduated HS, if you were
              going to graduate and be "college bound", you had to take
              a typing class.  It was Sr. year and it was "Health" one
              semester, "Typing" the next or vice versa.<br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              If you were "Vo-Tech" typing was an option, but "Health"
              was still mandatory.  <br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              Same teacher taught both classes.  One of the most bitter
              and angry people I have ever met.  <br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              The though of  "Health" class taught by an angry, frigid,
              humorless 60 year old woman still makes me wonder.  I
              guess if you had to manage the subject matter with a bunch
              of teenagers, many of whom were headed nowhere, after a
              few years, you would end up like that too.<br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              Typing was one of the most valuable skills I ever
              learned.  <br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              My kids all had typing classes in public schools in 1st
              and 2nd grade post 2010.  <br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              Time and technology change everything. <br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              I wish I could learn to type on a phone and manage the
              "autocorrect", that would be something.<br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              -----Original Message-----<br clear="none">
              From: Triumphs &lt;<a shape="rect"
                ymailto="mailto:[email-masked]"
                rel="noopener noreferrer"
removedlink__db9d0e28-591e-4599-87d4-e78a57128e96__href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
              On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman<br clear="none">
              Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:38 PM<br clear="none">
              To: <a shape="rect"
                ymailto="mailto:[email-masked]" rel="noopener
                noreferrer"
removedlink__db9d0e28-591e-4599-87d4-e78a57128e96__href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a><br
                clear="none">
              Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired<br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              On 1/30/20 6:23 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote:<br clear="none">
              &gt; Exactly, I took typing in eighth grade because there
              lots of girls in <br clear="none">
              &gt; that class and I was a horny 13 yo.  But my 50 yo
              typing muscle memory <br clear="none">
              &gt; will always space twice after a period. Canâ€™t help
              it.<br clear="none">
              &gt;<br clear="none">
              &gt; Busted.<br clear="none">
              &gt;<br clear="none">
              &gt; Bud<br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              I didn't take typing in high school because I didn't want
              to be pigeonholed as a secretary. In early years I went in
              to interview for a technical position with a degree in
              electronics &amp; almost always was asked what my typing
              speed was. When I mentioned about a page ever 2 hours or
              so, I got interviewed for the job I was applying for. I
              knew a woman with a Stanford masters in physics who in the
              mid 60s worked as a tech group secretary.<br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              During college when I needed to submit typed papers, I
              traded typing for either a homemade apple pie or a ready
              to bake homemade lasagna. I single space between sentences
              only on emails. That is because my mailer produces strange
              characters when I double space a sentence. The books I
              have authored are all double spaced between sentences and
              my reviewers have forced me to use oxford comas. They are
              not used in technical papers.<br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              TeriAnn<br clear="none">
              <br>
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Patrick,

I have you beat, have been writing as part of my job and hobbies for over
30 years.  I use four fingers.  If I don't think about it I realize
sometimes I am doing it from muscle memory and not looking, if I start to
think about it the magic goes away and I have to look.  Still make way too
many mistakes.  Preparing papers for college with a typewriter was pretty
painful, I tell the kids these stories, but they just roll their eyes.

I also go one finger at a time on my phone, can't do the two fingered thing
like the kids.  Interestingly, I just noticed, I type with my right hand on
my phone, even though I am very left dominent with most everything else I
do.

Greg Lemon
TR250
Greg Lemon
TR250

On Fri, Jan 31, 2020, 6:56 PM Patrick Baize <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I never took typing in school. Later I tried to use "Mavis Beaves teaches
> typing", didn't work. I have been writing software for over 30 years, I u=
se
> 3 fingers, 1 on left hand, 2 on the right.
>
> Patrick
>
>
> I never took a typing class, I am self taught.  I remember staying up all
> night typing a report for class in highschool.  When I started working
> there was no need for an engineer to type.  Enter the desk-top computer.
> Now I spend most of my time staring at a screen typing on a keyboard.
> Who'd a thunk?
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> From: jpaynepbr <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
> To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>;
> triumphs <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
> "college bound", you had to take a typing class.  It was Sr. year and it
> was "Health" one semester, "Typing" the next or vice versa.
>
> Same teacher taught both classes.  One of the most bitter and angry peopl=
e
> I have ever met.
> year old woman still makes me wonder.  I guess if you had to manage the
> subject matter with a bunch of teenagers, many of whom were headed nowher=
e,
> after a few years, you would end up like that too.
>
> My kids all had typing classes in public schools in 1st and 2nd grade pos=
t
> 2010.
> I wish I could learn to type on a phone and manage the "autocorrect", tha=
t
> > will always space twice after a period. Can=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t he=
lp it.
> technical position with a degree in electronics & almost always was asked
> what my typing speed was. When I mentioned about a page ever 2 hours or s=
o,
> I got interviewed for the job I was applying for. I knew a woman with a
> Stanford masters in physics who in the mid 60s worked as a tech group
> secretary.
>
> either a homemade apple pie or a ready to bake homemade lasagna. I single
> space between sentences only on emails. That is because my mailer produce=
s
> strange characters when I double space a sentence. The books I have
> authored are all double spaced between sentences and my reviewers have
> forced me to use oxford comas. They are not used in technical papers.
>
> TeriAnn
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Patrick,<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I h=
ave you beat, have been writing as part of my job and hobbies for over 30 y=
ears.=C2=A0 I use four fingers.=C2=A0 If I don&#39;t think about it I reali=
ze sometimes I am doing it from muscle memory and not looking, if I start t=
o think about it the magic goes away and I have to look.=C2=A0 Still make w=
ay too many mistakes.=C2=A0 Preparing papers for college with a typewriter =
was pretty painful, I tell the kids these stories, but they just roll their=
 eyes.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I also go one fin=
ger at a time on my phone, can&#39;t do the two fingered thing like the kid=
s.=C2=A0 Interestingly, I just noticed, I type with my right hand on my pho=
ne, even though I am very left dominent with most everything else I do.</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon</div><div dir=3D=
"auto">TR250</div><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon<br></div><div dir=3D"auto">T=
R250</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Fri, Jan 31, 2020, 6:56 PM Patrick Baize &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    <p>I never took typing in school. Later I tried to use &quot;Mavis Beav=
es
      teaches typing&quot;, didn&#39;t work. I have been writing software f=
or
      over 30 years, I use 3 fingers, 1 on left hand, 2 on the right.=C2=A0=
 <br>
    </p>
    <p>Patrick</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div>On 1/31/2020 6:27 AM, DAVID MASSEY
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
        <div> <font size=3D"3">I never took a typing class, I am self
            taught.=C2=A0 I remember staying up all night typing a report f=
or
            class in highschool.=C2=A0 When I started working there was no
            need for an engineer to type.=C2=A0 Enter the desk-top computer=
.=C2=A0
            Now I spend most of my time staring at a screen typing on a
            keyboard.=C2=A0 Who&#39;d a thunk?</font><br>
        </div>
        <div> <br>
        </div>
        <div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
          <br>
        </div>
        <div> <br>
        </div>
        <div> <br>
        </div>
        <div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:blac=
k">-----Original
          Message-----<br>
          From: jpaynepbr <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
          To: &#39;TeriAnn J. Wakeman&#39; <a href=3D"mailto:tjwakeman@gmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>=
; triumphs
          <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
          Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2020 9:07 pm<br>
          Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired<br>
          <br>
          <div dir=3D"ltr">In 1990, when I graduated HS, if you were going
            to graduate and be &quot;college bound&quot;, you had to take a=
 typing
            class.=C2=A0 It was Sr. year and it was &quot;Health&quot; one =
semester,
            &quot;Typing&quot; the next or vice versa.<br clear=3D"none">
            <br clear=3D"none">
            If you were &quot;Vo-Tech&quot; typing was an option, but &quot=
;Health&quot; was
            still mandatory.=C2=A0 <br clear=3D"none">
            <br clear=3D"none">
            Same teacher taught both classes.=C2=A0 One of the most bitter
            and angry people I have ever met.=C2=A0 <br clear=3D"none">
            <br clear=3D"none">
            The though of=C2=A0 &quot;Health&quot; class taught by an angry=
, frigid,
            humorless 60 year old woman still makes me wonder.=C2=A0 I gues=
s
            if you had to manage the subject matter with a bunch of
            teenagers, many of whom were headed nowhere, after a few
            years, you would end up like that too.<br clear=3D"none">
            <br clear=3D"none">
            Typing was one of the most valuable skills I ever learned.=C2=
=A0
            <br clear=3D"none">
            <br clear=3D"none">
            My kids all had typing classes in public schools in 1st and
            2nd grade post 2010.=C2=A0 <br clear=3D"none">
            <br clear=3D"none">
            Time and technology change everything. <br clear=3D"none">
            <br clear=3D"none">
            I wish I could learn to type on a phone and manage the
            &quot;autocorrect&quot;, that would be something.<br clear=3D"n=
one">
            <br clear=3D"none">
            <br clear=3D"none">
            -----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
            From: Triumphs &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer=
 noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
            On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman<br clear=3D"none">
            Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:38 PM<br clear=3D"none">
            To: <a shape=3D"rect" rel=3D"noopener
              noreferrer noreferrer">[email-masked]</a><br clear=
=3D"none">
            Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired<br clear=3D"none">
            <br clear=3D"none">
            On 1/30/20 6:23 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
            &gt; Exactly, I took typing in eighth grade because there
            lots of girls in <br clear=3D"none">
            &gt; that class and I was a horny 13 yo.=C2=A0 But my 50 yo
            typing muscle memory <br clear=3D"none">
            &gt; will always space twice after a period. Can=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=
=E2=84=A2t help
            it.<br clear=3D"none">
            &gt;<br clear=3D"none">
            &gt; Busted.<br clear=3D"none">
            &gt;<br clear=3D"none">
            &gt; Bud<br clear=3D"none">
            <br clear=3D"none">
            I didn&#39;t take typing in high school because I didn&#39;t wa=
nt to
            be pigeonholed as a secretary. In early years I went in to
            interview for a technical position with a degree in
            electronics &amp; almost always was asked what my typing
            speed was. When I mentioned about a page ever 2 hours or so,
            I got interviewed for the job I was applying for. I knew a
            woman with a Stanford masters in physics who in the mid 60s
            worked as a tech group secretary.<br clear=3D"none">
            <br clear=3D"none">
            During college when I needed to submit typed papers, I
            traded typing for either a homemade apple pie or a ready to
            bake homemade lasagna. I single space between sentences only
            on emails. That is because my mailer produces strange
            characters when I double space a sentence. The books I have
            authored are all double spaced between sentences and my
            reviewers have forced me to use oxford comas. They are not
            used in technical papers.<br clear=3D"none">
            <br clear=3D"none">
            TeriAnn<br clear=3D"none">
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