Subject: Re: [TR] Experience with Vitesse 5-speed transmission conversion?

From: Anthony Rhodes <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 18:46:04 -0500

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Hmmm. 3K rpm at 60 MPH is about what my 4th gear is on my non-OD tranny.    I=
 would have thought that the Miata 5th gear might have been =E2=80=9Cdirect=E2=
=80=9D, like the TR=E2=80=99s 4th. And 6th would be some sort of overdrive.=20=

Without having 20-30% overdrive then there is no great advantage to the Miat=
a unit!

-Tony

Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine

> On Jan 2, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bryan Loy <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> As far as gear ratios go, I can't say, numbers wise, but I have an '04 MX5=
 with the 6 speed, and it is low.  6th gear at 60mph, the engine is turning 3=
K.   Pretty much 20MPH for every 1K on the tach.=20
> Bryan
>=20
>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 2:27 PM Anthony Rhodes <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>> It is indeed pricey.  But it appears to be a complete new transmission an=
d all the required adapter stuff ready to go.  The only way it would be bett=
er as a conversion is if it retained the original space cylinder.=20
>>=20
>> So for a complete new modern (hopefully long life) overdrive transmission=
, the price is not terrible.
>>=20
>> It is likely a better solution than the HVDA because those old Toyota tra=
nsmissions may well be =E2=80=9Cused up=E2=80=9D,not just =E2=80=9Cused=E2=80=
=9D. And they are hard to find. =20
>>=20
>> For me, I found the right Toyota transmission to be as rare as ... as a f=
riend of mine puts it...   as rare as rocking horse manure.   He may not act=
ually have used the word =E2=80=9Cmanure=E2=80=9D.=20
>>=20
>> So I like this Miata option!
>>=20
>> Does anyone know the gear ratios?  The Moss description does not indicate=
 the ratios. =20
>>=20
>> -Tony
>>=20
>> Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine
>>=20
>> > On Jan 2, 2020, at 2:02 PM, [email-masked] wrote:
>> >=20
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 13:54:49 -0600
>> > From: Dean Mericas <[email-masked]>
>> > To: [email-masked]
>> > Subject: [TR] Experience with Vitesse 5-speed transmission conversion?
>> > Message-ID: <[email-masked]>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=3Dutf-8
>> >=20
>> > I see that Moss now carries an a 5-speed transmission conversion that a=
ppears to use Miata internals in a custom case and bell housing. It isn?t ch=
eap, but as an apparent drop in replacement I think the installed cost may b=
e about the same as the Toyota-based HVDA kit.
>> >=20
>> > Does anyone on the list have first hand experience with this particular=
 conversion?
>> >=20
>> > Thanks.=20
>> >=20
>> > Dean Mericas
>> > 1965 TR4
>> > Austin, TX
>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Hmmm. 3K rpm at 60 MPH is about what my 4th=
 gear is on my non-OD tranny. &nbsp; &nbsp;I would have thought that the Mia=
ta 5th gear might have been =E2=80=9Cdirect=E2=80=9D, like the TR=E2=80=99s 4=
th. And 6th would be some sort of overdrive.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Withou=
t having 20-30% overdrive then there is no great advantage to the Miata unit=
!</div><div><br></div><div>-Tony<br><div><div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent=
 from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite">On Jan 2, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bryan Loy &lt;paradisemusicnc@gm=
ail.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">As far as gear ratios go, I can't say, n=
umbers wise, but I have an '04 MX5 with the 6 speed, and it is low. &nbsp;6t=
h gear at 60mph, the engine is turning 3K. &nbsp; Pretty much 20MPH for ever=
y 1K on the tach.&nbsp;<div>Bryan</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 2:27 PM Anthony=
 Rhodes &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px=
 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:r=
gb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">It is indeed pricey.&nbsp; But it appears t=
o be a complete new transmission and all the required adapter stuff ready to=
 go.&nbsp; The only way it would be better as a conversion is if it retained=
 the original space cylinder. <br>
<br>
So for a complete new modern (hopefully long life) overdrive transmission, t=
he price is not terrible.<br>
<br>
It is likely a better solution than the HVDA because those old Toyota transm=
issions may well be =E2=80=9Cused up=E2=80=9D,not just =E2=80=9Cused=E2=80=9D=
. And they are hard to find.&nbsp; <br>
<br>
For me, I found the right Toyota transmission to be as rare as ... as a frie=
nd of mine puts it...&nbsp; &nbsp;as rare as rocking horse manure.&nbsp; &nb=
sp;He may not actually have used the word =E2=80=9Cmanure=E2=80=9D. <br>
<br>
So I like this Miata option!<br>
<br>
Does anyone know the gear ratios?&nbsp; The Moss description does not indica=
te the ratios.&nbsp; <br>
<br>
-Tony<br>
<br>
Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine<br>
<br>
&gt; On Jan 2, 2020, at 2:02 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br>
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&gt; From: Dean Mericas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
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&gt; Content-Type: text/plain;&nbsp; &nbsp; charset=3Dutf-8<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I see that Moss now carries an a 5-speed transmission conversion that a=
ppears to use Miata internals in a custom case and bell housing. It isn?t ch=
eap, but as an apparent drop in replacement I think the installed cost may b=
e about the same as the Toyota-based HVDA kit.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Does anyone on the list have first hand experience with this particular=
 conversion?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Dean Mericas<br>
&gt; 1965 TR4<br>
&gt; Austin, TX<br>
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From: Michael Porter <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 16:58:30 -0700

On 1/2/2020 4:46 PM, Anthony Rhodes wrote:
> Hmmm. 3K rpm at 60 MPH is about what my 4th gear is on my non-OD 
> tranny.    I would have thought that the Miata 5th gear might have 
> been “direct”, like the TR’s 4th. And 6th would be some sort of 
> overdrive.
>
> Without having 20-30% overdrive then there is no great advantage to 
> the Miata unit!
>
Umm, the final drive depends upon the rear end ratio, which must be 
higher in the Miata than the TR.  In fact, the old Miata 6-speeds (circa 
`93 or so) had a quite numerically high Ist and a quite low 6th, making 
them ideal for running numerically low rear ends, if revs/mile is a concern.

This one is advertised as having a 0.814 5th gear, which would put it in 
your ballpark.

Cheers.

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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 00:06:18 +0000 (UTC)

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 well they do include the driveshaft. a proper drive shaft.looks like it us=
es the hydraulic throw out bearing. i have never liked the idea of that.=C2=
=A0when i built my own i used the original triumph slave cylinder. heck of =
a lot easier to replace.and the gear lever looks funky. when i did mine i c=
ut the top off the toyota lever and welded the top from a ebay bought trium=
ph lever. weld hides under the rubber boot. cant tell the difference.
just my thoughts

    On Thursday, January 2, 2020, 03:46:23 PM PST, Anthony Rhodes <spamiam@=
comcast.net> wrote: =20
=20
 Hmmm. 3K rpm at 60 MPH is about what my 4th gear is on my non-OD tranny. =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I would have thought that the Miata 5th gear might have been =
=E2=80=9Cdirect=E2=80=9D, like the TR=E2=80=99s 4th. And 6th would be some =
sort of overdrive.=C2=A0
Without having 20-30% overdrive then there is no great advantage to the Mia=
ta unit!
-Tony

=EF=BB=BFAs far as gear ratios go, I can't say, numbers wise, but I have an=
 '04 MX5 with the 6 speed, and it is low. =C2=A06th gear at 60mph, the engi=
ne is turning 3K. =C2=A0 Pretty much 20MPH for every 1K on the tach.=C2=A0B=
ryan
On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 2:27 PM Anthony Rhodes <[email-masked]> wrote:

It is indeed pricey.=C2=A0 But it appears to be a complete new transmission=
 and all the required adapter stuff ready to go.=C2=A0 The only way it woul=
d be better as a conversion is if it retained the original space cylinder.=
=20

So for a complete new modern (hopefully long life) overdrive transmission, =
the price is not terrible.

It is likely a better solution than the HVDA because those old Toyota trans=
missions may well be =E2=80=9Cused up=E2=80=9D,not just =E2=80=9Cused=E2=80=
=9D. And they are hard to find.=C2=A0=20

For me, I found the right Toyota transmission to be as rare as ... as a fri=
end of mine puts it...=C2=A0 =C2=A0as rare as rocking horse manure.=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0He may not actually have used the word =E2=80=9Cmanure=E2=80=9D.=20

Does anyone know the gear ratios?=C2=A0 The Moss description does not indic=
ate the ratios.=C2=A0=20

-Tony

> Content-Type: text/plain;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 charset=3Dutf-8
>=20
> I see that Moss now carries an a 5-speed transmission conversion that app=
ears to use Miata internals in a custom case and bell housing. It isn?t che=
ap, but as an apparent drop in replacement I think the installed cost may b=
e about the same as the Toyota-based HVDA kit.
>=20
> Does anyone on the list have first hand experience with this particular c=
onversion?

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;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">well they do include the dri=
veshaft. a proper drive shaft.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">=
looks like it uses the hydraulic throw out bearing. i have never liked the =
idea of that.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">when i buil=
t my own i used the original triumph slave cylinder. heck of a lot easier t=
o replace.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">and the gear lever l=
ooks funky. when i did mine i cut the top off the toyota lever and welded t=
he top from a ebay bought triumph lever. weld hides under the rubber boot. =
cant tell the difference.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">just my thoughts</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse"><br></div><div><br></div>
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ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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                <div>
                    On Thursday, January 2, 2020, 03:46:23 PM PST, Anthony =
Rhodes &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydpef8a3767yiv6628094750"><div>Hmmm. 3K rpm=
 at 60 MPH is about what my 4th gear is on my non-OD tranny. &nbsp; &nbsp;I=
 would have thought that the Miata 5th gear might have been =E2=80=9Cdirect=
=E2=80=9D, like the TR=E2=80=99s 4th. And 6th would be some sort of overdri=
ve.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Without having 20-30% overdrive then there is =
no great advantage to the Miata unit!</div><div><br></div><div>-Tony<br><di=
v><div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engin=
e</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 2, 2020, at 2:=
40 PM, Bryan Loy &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquo=
te></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"lt=
r">As far as gear ratios go, I can't say, numbers wise, but I have an '04 M=
X5 with the 6 speed, and it is low. &nbsp;6th gear at 60mph, the engine is =
turning 3K. &nbsp; Pretty much 20MPH for every 1K on the tach.&nbsp;<div>Br=
yan</div></div><br><div class=3D"ydpef8a3767yiv6628094750gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydpef8a3767yiv6628094750gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 2, 202=
0 at 2:27 PM Anthony Rhodes &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"ydpef8a3767yiv6628094750gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left=
-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">It is indeed pricey.&nbsp; But i=
t appears to be a complete new transmission and all the required adapter st=
uff ready to go.&nbsp; The only way it would be better as a conversion is i=
f it retained the original space cylinder. <br>
<br>
So for a complete new modern (hopefully long life) overdrive transmission, =
the price is not terrible.<br>
<br>
It is likely a better solution than the HVDA because those old Toyota trans=
missions may well be =E2=80=9Cused up=E2=80=9D,not just =E2=80=9Cused=E2=80=
=9D. And they are hard to find.&nbsp; <br>
<br>
For me, I found the right Toyota transmission to be as rare as ... as a fri=
end of mine puts it...&nbsp; &nbsp;as rare as rocking horse manure.&nbsp; &=
nbsp;He may not actually have used the word =E2=80=9Cmanure=E2=80=9D. <br>
<br>
So I like this Miata option!<br>
<br>
Does anyone know the gear ratios?&nbsp; The Moss description does not indic=
ate the ratios.&nbsp; <br>
<br>
-Tony<br>
<br>
Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine<br>
<br>
&gt; On Jan 2, 2020, at 2:02 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
eam.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
</a> wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Message: 1<br>
&gt; Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 13:54:49 -0600<br>
&gt; From: Dean Mericas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"no=
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&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=
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&gt; Subject: [TR] Experience with Vitesse 5-speed transmission conversion?=
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&gt; Content-Type: text/plain;&nbsp; &nbsp; charset=3Dutf-8<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I see that Moss now carries an a 5-speed transmission conversion that =
appears to use Miata internals in a custom case and bell housing. It isn?t =
cheap, but as an apparent drop in replacement I think the installed cost ma=
y be about the same as the Toyota-based HVDA kit.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Does anyone on the list have first hand experience with this particula=
r conversion?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Dean Mericas<br>
&gt; 1965 TR4<br>
&gt; Austin, TX<br>
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