Subject: Re: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog

From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:15:20 +0000 (UTC)

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 Another thing that was different back then is the batteries in those days =
were much more tolerant of deeper discharge cycles.=C2=A0 One could dischar=
ge the battery driving home at night and then recharge the battery the foll=
owing day of day-time driving.=C2=A0 Not an issue except in the short days =
of winter when you drive to work in the dark and drive home in the dark.=C2=
=A0 Supplemental charging may be required under these conditions.

Sometime in the 70's or 80's specsmanship took over battery marketing and t=
hey were all touting higher and higher CCA's (Cold Cranking Amps) and the w=
ay to achieve higher CCA's was to increase the plate area and to do that wi=
thout making the batter larger was to make the plates thinner.=C2=A0 Thinne=
r plates will get holes etched into them on deeper discharge and the holes =
don't heal and the battery degrades.=C2=A0=20

This is not a big issue for modern cars since they are fitted with alternat=
ors capable of supporting all electrical loads even at idle but they also d=
o not need the crazy CCA's touted in batteries these days.=C2=A0 But those =
remain a dominant marketing topic so we are stuck with the situation unless=
 you are willing to buck up for a deep cycle battery.
=20
Dave=20

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-----Original Message-----
From: Randall <[email-masked]>
To: triumphs <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 10:55 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog

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. Back then, it was a lot more acceptable to have to charge the battery fro=
m an external source. One of the books even suggests charging the battery a=
fter a winter run, to make sure it doesn't freeze.
-- Randall

On 29 January 2020 17:29:34 GMT-08:00, Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@ch=
arter.net> wrote:
Those look fantastic! But, (there=E2=80=99s always a =E2=80=9Cbut=E2=80=9D)=
 how does the generator keep up with the draw of those lights? I have alway=
s heard that the stock generator can just about keep up with stock lights, =
heater motor, and the relatively small amount of ignition current. Plus, of=
 course, charging current.  =C2=A0Your most recent added pages on Lucas lam=
ps are great. Thanks for sharing with us all. =C2=A0Alex Thomson =C2=A0From=
: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J.=
 Wakeman
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 12:57 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog =C2=A0On 1/29/20 7:22 AM, DAVID MASSEY wr=
ote:

Is it what the factory happened to have on hand? =C2=A0;-) =C2=A0
I'm not sure, but weren't the auxiliary lights dealer installed and not fro=
m the factory?Is anyone reproducing the optional light/badge bar for the TR=
3 anymore? I got mine years ago and had to wait months from the time I orde=
red for a production run to be made. I recently checked both Moss & The Roa=
dster factory but didn't see a listing for the bar.I really don't like how =
high the factory mounting places the lights. I saw a 3 a while back that ha=
s it lowered and much preferred that location. The guy made a bar with moun=
ting holes placed about 3-3-1/2" centre to centre from each other to lower =
the bar.The attached picture is a TR3 with lowered light bar.TeriAnn

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<div> <font size=3D"3">Another thing that was different back then is the ba=
tteries in those days were much more tolerant of deeper discharge cycles.&n=
bsp; One could discharge the battery driving home at night and then recharg=
e the battery the following day of day-time driving.&nbsp; Not an issue exc=
ept in the short days of winter when you drive to work in the dark and driv=
e home in the dark.&nbsp; Supplemental charging may be required under these=
 conditions.<br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Sometime in the 70's or 80's specsmanship took over b=
attery marketing and they were all touting higher and higher CCA's (Cold Cr=
anking Amps) and the way to achieve higher CCA's was to increase the plate =
area and to do that without making the batter larger was to make the plates=
 thinner.&nbsp; Thinner plates will get holes etched into them on deeper di=
scharge and the holes don't heal and the battery degrades.&nbsp; <br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">This is not a big issue for modern cars since they ar=
e fitted with alternators capable of supporting all electrical loads even a=
t idle but they also do not need the crazy CCA's touted in batteries these =
days.&nbsp; But those remain a dominant marketing topic so we are stuck wit=
h the situation unless you are willing to buck up for a deep cycle battery.=
</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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Original Message-----<br>
From: Randall &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 10:55 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog<br>
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<div>I think it didn't, at least not always. Back then, it was a lot more a=
cceptable to have to charge the battery from an external source. One of the=
 books even suggests charging the battery after a winter run, to make sure =
it doesn't freeze.<br clear=3D"none">-- Randall<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=
=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yiv7823401188yqt8733209769" id=3D"yiv7823401188yqt68464">
<div class=3D"yiv7823401188gmail_quote">On 29 January 2020 17:29:34 GMT-08:=
00, Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<blockqu=
ote class=3D"yiv7823401188gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;">

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<div class=3D"yiv7823401188MsoNormal"><span>Those look fantastic! But, (the=
re=E2=80=99s always a =E2=80=9Cbut=E2=80=9D) how does the generator keep up=
 with the draw of those lights? I have always heard that the stock generato=
r can just about keep up with stock lights, heater motor, and the relativel=
y small amount of ignition current. Plus, of course, charging current. </sp=
an></div>

<div class=3D"yiv7823401188MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv7823401188MsoNormal"><span>Your most recent added pages on=
 Lucas lamps are great. Thanks for sharing with us all.</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv7823401188MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv7823401188MsoNormal"><span>Alex Thomson</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv7823401188MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></div>

<div>
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0in 0in;">
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From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> Triumphs [mailto:triumph=
[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>TeriAnn J. Wakeman<br clear=
=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 29, 2020 12:57 PM<br clear=3D"non=
e"><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re:=
 [TR] Clear/Amber Fog</span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7823401188MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7823401188MsoNormal">On 1/29/20 7:22 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrot=
e:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;">
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv7823401188MsoNormal"><span>Is it what the factory happened=
 to have on hand?</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv7823401188MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv7823401188MsoNormal"><span>;-)</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv7823401188MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>I'm not sure, but weren't the auxiliary lights dealer installed and no=
t from the factory?</div>

<div>Is anyone reproducing the optional light/badge bar for the TR3 anymore=
? I got mine years ago and had to wait months from the time I ordered for a=
 production run to be made. I recently checked both Moss &amp; The Roadster=
 factory but didn't see a listing for the bar.</div>

<div>I really don't like how high the factory mounting places the lights. I=
 saw a 3 a while back that has it lowered and much preferred that location.=
 The guy made a bar with mounting holes placed about 3-3-1/2" centre to cen=
tre from each other to lower the bar.</div>

<div>The attached picture is a TR3 with lowered light bar.</div>

<div>TeriAnn</div>
</div>
</blockquote></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>

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