Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 12, Issue 231

From: Michael Coe <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:03:40 -0600

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Please advertise my TR8 for sale.
Thanks

1982 TR8 Triumph. Always well maintained by a local sports car garage. =
Mileage=E2=80=A696161 Km (approximately 71,000 miles}. Owned since June =
22nd, 2006. Not driven much over the past few years; during which time I =
was wafling on selling.5 speed transmission. 220 Km speedometer. Two =
year old battery. EFI. 15 inch Mag wheels. 6 CD player. AM/FM radio/one =
CD. Alternator. Up graded speakers. Electric radio antenna. Roll bar. =
Wind deflector. Half tonneau cover. Quaife limited slip differential. =
Dash cover {when car parked}. Weather cockpit cover. Trunk rack with =
third brake light. Stainless steel dual exhaust. Interior trunk light. =
15=E2=80=9D alloy wheels. 185/55/R15 tires. K&N filter. Upgraded larger =
front disc brakes. Carpet mats. Electric radiator fan. Aluminum =
radiator. Oil cooler. K & N filter. Triple air horns with dash control =
for full blast or a tune. Updated driving lights. Headers. Cross engine =
brace. Battery disconnect switch. Some LED bulbs. Two sets of keys. TR8 =
key fob. Insured for $20,000.00. But consider reasonable offers. This is =
a =E2=80=9Cneat=E2=80=9D TR8.
Mike Coe.  Calgary.  Alberta. 403-281-0363

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>   1. battery, alternator, or gremlin? (Peter Arakelian)
>   2. Re: battery, alternator, or gremlin? (Randall)
>   3. Re: battery, alternator, or gremlin? (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
>   4. Re: battery, alternator, or gremlin? (Randall)
>   5. Re: battery, alternator, or gremlin? (Peter Arakelian)
>   6. Re: battery, alternator, or gremlin? (DAVID MASSEY)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 18:57:36 +0000
> From: Peter Arakelian <[email-masked]>
> To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
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> 1971 TR6.  Driving home last night I noticed my ammeter was at the + =
sign, half-way between neutral and full.  It is a 40 mile drive, stayed =
there the entire way.  I stopped to pick up a pizza.  the car cranked =
and started as usual after a 20 min stop.  Ammeter was now halfway =
between the neutral position and the + sign.  today I checked volage of =
battery from pole to pole: 12.60 volts.  Start the car today, cranked =
and started as usual, ammeter shows normal - slight charge at first then =
to neutral position.
> Battery, alternator, or Gremlin?
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> From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
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> Most likely a gremlin in the alternator, IMO.
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> Kind of dangerous, running around with the alternator stuck on "full =
on".
> The electrolyte in the battery "boils", which isn't water changing to =
steam
> but instead water being separated into oxygen and hydrogen.  Normally, =
the
> explosive gas mixture escapes out the vents and dissipates with no =
harm done
> (until the battery runs low on electrolyte).  But any kind of spark =
nearby
> can set it off, resulting in a battery explosion.
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> I suggest carrying a voltmeter/DMM in the car.  Next time it happens =
(if
> there is a next time), pull over and check battery voltage with engine =
at a
> fast idle.  If you see more than about 14.4 volts, shut the engine off =
and
> disconnect the alternator for the drive home.  Should be no problem =
driving
> for 4 or 5 hours without the alternator and no headlights, 2 or 3 =
hours with
> headlights.
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> You'll also know for sure that it's the alternator gone wonky, and not =
a
> shorted cell in the battery.  I suppose it's possible for a shorted =
cell to
> un-short; but I've never seen it happen.
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> -- Randall=20
> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild=20
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On=20
>> Behalf Of Peter Arakelian
>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 11:58 AM
>> To: [email-masked]
>> Subject: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?
>>=20
>> 1971 TR6.  Driving home last night I noticed my ammeter was=20
>> at the + sign, half-way between neutral and full.  It is a 40=20
>> mile drive, stayed there the entire way.  I stopped to pick=20
>> up a pizza.  the car cranked and started as usual after a 20=20
>> min stop.  Ammeter was now halfway between the neutral=20
>> position and the + sign.  today I checked volage of battery=20
>> from pole to pole: 12.60 volts.  Start the car today, cranked=20
>> and started as usual, ammeter shows normal - slight charge at=20
>> first then to neutral position.
>> Battery, alternator, or Gremlin?
>>=20
>> Peter Arakelian
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> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 12:21:54 -0700
> From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?
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> On 10/12/19 11:57 AM, Peter Arakelian wrote:
>> 1971 TR6.? Driving home last night I noticed my ammeter was at the +=20=

>> sign, half-way between neutral and full.? It is a 40 mile drive,=20
>> stayed there the entire way.? I stopped to pick up a pizza.? the car=20=

>> cranked and started as usual after a 20 min stop.? Ammeter was now=20
>> halfway between the neutral position and the + sign.? today I checked=20=

>> volage of battery from pole to pole: 12.60 volts.? Start the car=20
>> today, cranked and started as usual, ammeter shows normal - slight=20
>> charge at first then to neutral position.
>> Battery, alternator, or Gremlin?
>> Peter Arakelian
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> 1. Throw away you ammeter or ebay it) and replace it with a volt meter=20=

> so you can see what is really going on.
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> 2. Take your car to most any auto parts store. They can test the=20
> condition of your battery and your alternator for FREE.
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> TeriAnn
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> With a Smiths volt meter in my TR3.
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> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 13:00:28 -0700
> From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
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> Subject: Re: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?
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>> 1. Throw away you ammeter or ebay it) and replace it with a=20
>> volt meter so you can see what is really going on.
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> I'd just like to point out that, if the problem had been a shorted =
battery
> cell, a voltmeter would likely not have shown anything out of the =
ordinary.
> The alternator would have charged 5 cells to the region of 13 or 14 =
volts;
> which is a drastic overcharge but the voltage is still fine.  To =
really get
> a complete picture, you need both.
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> But temporarily checking with a voltmeter is a lot easier than =
temporarily
> checking with an ammeter.  If you want, you can even get a voltmeter =
that
> plugs into a cigarette lighter socket.
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> -- Randall
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> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 23:15:27 +0000
> From: Peter Arakelian <[email-masked]>
> To: Randall <[email-masked]>
> Cc: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Re: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?
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> Thanx, just the advice I needed to diagnose
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> From: Randall <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:12:14 PM
> To: 'Peter Arakelian' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] =
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> Subject: RE: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?
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> Most likely a gremlin in the alternator, IMO.
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> Kind of dangerous, running around with the alternator stuck on "full =
on".
> The electrolyte in the battery "boils", which isn't water changing to =
steam
> but instead water being separated into oxygen and hydrogen.  Normally, =
the
> explosive gas mixture escapes out the vents and dissipates with no =
harm done
> (until the battery runs low on electrolyte).  But any kind of spark =
nearby
> can set it off, resulting in a battery explosion.
>=20
> I suggest carrying a voltmeter/DMM in the car.  Next time it happens =
(if
> there is a next time), pull over and check battery voltage with engine =
at a
> fast idle.  If you see more than about 14.4 volts, shut the engine off =
and
> disconnect the alternator for the drive home.  Should be no problem =
driving
> for 4 or 5 hours without the alternator and no headlights, 2 or 3 =
hours with
> headlights.
>=20
> You'll also know for sure that it's the alternator gone wonky, and not =
a
> shorted cell in the battery.  I suppose it's possible for a shorted =
cell to
> un-short; but I've never seen it happen.
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> -- Randall
> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On
>> Behalf Of Peter Arakelian
>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 11:58 AM
>> To: [email-masked]
>> Subject: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?
>>=20
>> 1971 TR6.  Driving home last night I noticed my ammeter was
>> at the + sign, half-way between neutral and full.  It is a 40
>> mile drive, stayed there the entire way.  I stopped to pick
>> up a pizza.  the car cranked and started as usual after a 20
>> min stop.  Ammeter was now halfway between the neutral
>> position and the + sign.  today I checked volage of battery
>> from pole to pole: 12.60 volts.  Start the car today, cranked
>> and started as usual, ammeter shows normal - slight charge at
>> first then to neutral position.
>> Battery, alternator, or Gremlin?
>>=20
>> Peter Arakelian
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> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 14:21:54 +0000 (UTC)
> From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
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> Hello, Peter.? I had a similar experience.? My ammeter suddenly =
started something similar in the middle of a drive so when I got home I =
checked battery voltage both engine-off and engine-running and voltages =
were normal.? So I concluded the battery was starting to fail.? The =
battery shop checked it with their big, heavy, fancy tester and =
pronounced it good but I was not comfortable with that diagnosis so I =
bought a new one anyway.? It was a seven year old battery and I had a =
gift card so what the heck.? I installed the battery and all was back to =
normal.
> I probably could have run that battery for a few more months before it =
failed altogether but that could have been on the middle of my trip to =
Dripping Springs.? ON a Sunday.? On I-35 in Dallas.
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> As Randall said, you need both a volt meter and an ammeter to diagnose =
a problem.? Basically, the voltmeter will indicate the health of the =
charging system and the ammeter will indicate the health of the battery =
- but only if the charging system is working properly.? A charging =
system malfunction can give you the same ammeter reading as a failing =
battery so the ammeter along is not enough.? And a pending battery =
failure will not necessarily show on the load tester.
> Good luck.
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> Dave=20
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Arakelian <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Sat, Oct 12, 2019 1:57 pm
> Subject: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?
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> 1971 TR6.? Driving home last night I noticed my ammeter was at the + =
sign, half-way between neutral and full.? It is a 40 mile drive, stayed =
there the entire way.? I stopped to pick up a pizza.? the car cranked =
and started as usual after a 20 min stop.? Ammeter was now halfway =
between the neutral position and the + sign.? today I checked volage of =
battery from pole to pole: 12.60 volts.? Start the car today, cranked =
and started as usual, ammeter shows normal - slight charge at first then =
to neutral position.Battery, alternator, or Gremlin??Peter Arakelian** =
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div>Please advertise my TR8 for sale.<div =
class=3D"">Thanks</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue;">1982 =
TR8 Triumph.&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue;" =
class=3D"">Always well maintained by a local sports car =
garage.&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue;" =
class=3D"">Mileage=E2=80=A696161 Km (approximately 71,000 =
miles}.&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue;" =
class=3D"">Owned since June 22nd, 2006.&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue;" class=3D"">Not driven much over =
the past few years; during which time I was wafling on =
selling.</span><span style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue;" class=3D"">5 =
speed transmission. 220 Km speedometer. Two year old battery. EFI. 15 =
inch Mag wheels. 6 CD player. AM/FM radio/one CD. Alternator. Up graded =
speakers. Electric radio antenna. Roll bar. Wind deflector. Half tonneau =
cover. Quaife limited slip differential. Dash cover {when car parked}. =
Weather cockpit cover. Trunk rack with third brake light. Stainless =
steel dual exhaust. Interior trunk light. 15=E2=80=9D alloy wheels. =
185/55/R15 tires. K&amp;N filter. Upgraded larger front disc brakes. =
Carpet mats. Electric radiator fan. Aluminum radiator. Oil cooler. K =
&amp; N filter. Triple air horns with dash control for full blast or a =
tune. Updated driving lights. Headers. Cross engine brace. Battery =
disconnect switch. Some LED bulbs. Two sets of keys. TR8 key =
fob.&nbsp;</span><font face=3D"HelveticaNeue" class=3D"">Insured for =
$20,000.00. But consider reasonable offers. This is a&nbsp;=E2=80=9Cneat=E2=
=80=9D TR8.</font></div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"HelveticaNeue" =
class=3D"">Mike Coe. &nbsp;Calgary. &nbsp;Alberta. 403-281-0363<br =
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-------<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Message: 1<br class=3D"">Date: Sat, =
12 Oct 2019 18:57:36 +0000<br class=3D"">From: Peter Arakelian =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br class=3D"">To: "[email-masked]" =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br class=3D"">Subject: [TR] battery, =
alternator, or gremlin?<br class=3D"">Message-ID:<br class=3D""><span =
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text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">1971 TR6. =
&nbsp;Driving home last night I noticed my ammeter was at the + sign, =
half-way between neutral and full. &nbsp;It is a 40 mile drive, stayed =
there the entire way. &nbsp;I stopped to pick up a pizza. &nbsp;the car =
cranked and started as usual after a 20 min stop. &nbsp;Ammeter was now =
halfway between the neutral position and the + sign. &nbsp;today I =
checked volage of battery from pole to pole: 12.60 volts. &nbsp;Start =
the car today, cranked and started as usual, ammeter shows normal - =
slight charge at first then to neutral position.<br class=3D"">Battery, =
alternator, or Gremlin?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Peter Arakelian<br =
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battery, alternator, or gremlin?<br class=3D"">Message-ID: =
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</span>charset=3D"us-ascii"<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Most likely a =
gremlin in the alternator, IMO.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Kind of =
dangerous, running around with the alternator stuck on "full on".<br =
class=3D"">The electrolyte in the battery "boils", which isn't water =
changing to steam<br class=3D"">but instead water being separated into =
oxygen and hydrogen. &nbsp;Normally, the<br class=3D"">explosive gas =
mixture escapes out the vents and dissipates with no harm done<br =
class=3D"">(until the battery runs low on electrolyte). &nbsp;But any =
kind of spark nearby<br class=3D"">can set it off, resulting in a =
battery explosion.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I suggest carrying a =
voltmeter/DMM in the car. &nbsp;Next time it happens (if<br =
class=3D"">there is a next time), pull over and check battery voltage =
with engine at a<br class=3D"">fast idle. &nbsp;If you see more than =
about 14.4 volts, shut the engine off and<br class=3D"">disconnect the =
alternator for the drive home. &nbsp;Should be no problem driving<br =
class=3D"">for 4 or 5 hours without the alternator and no headlights, 2 =
or 3 hours with<br class=3D"">headlights.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">You'll also know for sure that it's the alternator gone =
wonky, and not a<br class=3D"">shorted cell in the battery. &nbsp;I =
suppose it's possible for a shorted cell to<br class=3D"">un-short; but =
I've never seen it happen.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">-- Randall <br =
class=3D"">56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver<br class=3D"">71 =
Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild<br class=3D"">71-2-3 Stag - =
awaiting gearbox rebuild <br class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"">From: =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On <br class=3D"">Behalf=
 Of Peter Arakelian<br class=3D"">Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 11:58 =
AM<br class=3D"">To: [email-masked]<br class=3D"">Subject: [TR] =
battery, alternator, or gremlin?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">1971 TR6. =
&nbsp;Driving home last night I noticed my ammeter was <br class=3D"">at =
the + sign, half-way between neutral and full. &nbsp;It is a 40 <br =
class=3D"">mile drive, stayed there the entire way. &nbsp;I stopped to =
pick <br class=3D"">up a pizza. &nbsp;the car cranked and started as =
usual after a 20 <br class=3D"">min stop. &nbsp;Ammeter was now halfway =
between the neutral <br class=3D"">position and the + sign. &nbsp;today =
I checked volage of battery <br class=3D"">from pole to pole: 12.60 =
volts. &nbsp;Start the car today, cranked <br class=3D"">and started as =
usual, ammeter shows normal - slight charge at <br class=3D"">first then =
to neutral position.<br class=3D"">Battery, alternator, or Gremlin?<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Peter Arakelian<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">------------------------------<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Message: 3<br class=3D"">Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 12:21:54 =
-0700<br class=3D"">From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br class=3D"">To: [email-masked]<br =
class=3D"">Subject: Re: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?<br =
class=3D"">Message-ID: =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br =
class=3D"">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"; =
Format=3D"flowed"<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">On 10/12/19 11:57 AM, =
Peter Arakelian wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D"">1971 TR6.? Driving home last night I noticed my ammeter was =
at the + <br class=3D"">sign, half-way between neutral and full.? It is =
a 40 mile drive, <br class=3D"">stayed there the entire way.? I stopped =
to pick up a pizza.? the car <br class=3D"">cranked and started as usual =
after a 20 min stop.? Ammeter was now <br class=3D"">halfway between the =
neutral position and the + sign.? today I checked <br class=3D"">volage =
of battery from pole to pole: 12.60 volts.? Start the car <br =
class=3D"">today, cranked and started as usual, ammeter shows normal - =
slight <br class=3D"">charge at first then to neutral position.<br =
class=3D"">Battery, alternator, or Gremlin?<br class=3D"">Peter =
Arakelian<br class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D"">1. Throw away you =
ammeter or ebay it) and replace it with a volt meter <br class=3D"">so =
you can see what is really going on.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">2. =
Take your car to most any auto parts store. They can test the <br =
class=3D"">condition of your battery and your alternator for FREE.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">TeriAnn<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">With a =
Smiths volt meter in my TR3.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">-------------- =
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-0700<br class=3D"">From: "Randall" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br =
class=3D"">To: &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br class=3D"">Subject: =
Re: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?<br class=3D"">Message-ID: =
&lt;6EE4BAA114BE4B7C831331307EF2225F@RYPC&gt;<br class=3D"">Content-Type: =
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</span>charset=3D"us-ascii"<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">1. Throw away you =
ammeter or ebay it) and replace it with a <br class=3D"">volt meter so =
you can see what is really going on.<br class=3D""></blockquote><br =
class=3D"">I'd just like to point out that, if the problem had been a =
shorted battery<br class=3D"">cell, a voltmeter would likely not have =
shown anything out of the ordinary.<br class=3D"">The alternator would =
have charged 5 cells to the region of 13 or 14 volts;<br class=3D"">which =
is a drastic overcharge but the voltage is still fine. &nbsp;To really =
get<br class=3D"">a complete picture, you need both.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">But temporarily checking with a voltmeter is a lot easier =
than temporarily<br class=3D"">checking with an ammeter. &nbsp;If you =
want, you can even get a voltmeter that<br class=3D"">plugs into a =
cigarette lighter socket.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">-- Randall<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">------------------------------<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Message: 5<br class=3D"">Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 23:15:27 =
+0000<br class=3D"">From: Peter Arakelian &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br =
class=3D"">To: Randall &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br class=3D"">Cc: =
"[email-masked]" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br =
class=3D"">Subject: Re: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?<br =
class=3D"">Message-ID:<br class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>&lt;[email-masked]=
rod.outlook.com&gt;<br class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span><br class=3D"">Content-Type: =
text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Thanx, =
just the advice I needed to diagnose<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sent from =
Mail&lt;https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986&gt; for Windows =
10<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">________________________________<br class=3D"">From: Randall =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br class=3D"">Sent: Saturday, October 12, =
2019 12:12:14 PM<br class=3D"">To: 'Peter Arakelian' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked] =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br class=3D"">Subject: RE: [TR] battery, =
alternator, or gremlin?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Most likely a =
gremlin in the alternator, IMO.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Kind of =
dangerous, running around with the alternator stuck on "full on".<br =
class=3D"">The electrolyte in the battery "boils", which isn't water =
changing to steam<br class=3D"">but instead water being separated into =
oxygen and hydrogen. &nbsp;Normally, the<br class=3D"">explosive gas =
mixture escapes out the vents and dissipates with no harm done<br =
class=3D"">(until the battery runs low on electrolyte). &nbsp;But any =
kind of spark nearby<br class=3D"">can set it off, resulting in a =
battery explosion.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I suggest carrying a =
voltmeter/DMM in the car. &nbsp;Next time it happens (if<br =
class=3D"">there is a next time), pull over and check battery voltage =
with engine at a<br class=3D"">fast idle. &nbsp;If you see more than =
about 14.4 volts, shut the engine off and<br class=3D"">disconnect the =
alternator for the drive home. &nbsp;Should be no problem driving<br =
class=3D"">for 4 or 5 hours without the alternator and no headlights, 2 =
or 3 hours with<br class=3D"">headlights.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">You'll also know for sure that it's the alternator gone =
wonky, and not a<br class=3D"">shorted cell in the battery. &nbsp;I =
suppose it's possible for a shorted cell to<br class=3D"">un-short; but =
I've never seen it happen.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">-- Randall<br =
class=3D"">56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver<br class=3D"">71 =
Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild<br class=3D"">71-2-3 Stag - =
awaiting gearbox rebuild<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"">From: =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On<br class=3D"">Behalf =
Of Peter Arakelian<br class=3D"">Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 11:58 =
AM<br class=3D"">To: [email-masked]<br class=3D"">Subject: [TR] =
battery, alternator, or gremlin?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">1971 TR6. =
&nbsp;Driving home last night I noticed my ammeter was<br class=3D"">at =
the + sign, half-way between neutral and full. &nbsp;It is a 40<br =
class=3D"">mile drive, stayed there the entire way. &nbsp;I stopped to =
pick<br class=3D"">up a pizza. &nbsp;the car cranked and started as =
usual after a 20<br class=3D"">min stop. &nbsp;Ammeter was now halfway =
between the neutral<br class=3D"">position and the + sign. &nbsp;today I =
checked volage of battery<br class=3D"">from pole to pole: 12.60 volts. =
&nbsp;Start the car today, cranked<br class=3D"">and started as usual, =
ammeter shows normal - slight charge at<br class=3D"">first then to =
neutral position.<br class=3D"">Battery, alternator, or Gremlin?<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Peter Arakelian<br class=3D""><br =
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+0000 (UTC)<br class=3D"">From: DAVID MASSEY =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br class=3D"">To: [email-masked], =
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class=3D""> Hello, Peter.? I had a similar experience.? My ammeter =
suddenly started something similar in the middle of a drive so when I =
got home I checked battery voltage both engine-off and engine-running =
and voltages were normal.? So I concluded the battery was starting to =
fail.? The battery shop checked it with their big, heavy, fancy tester =
and pronounced it good but I was not comfortable with that diagnosis so =
I bought a new one anyway.? It was a seven year old battery and I had a =
gift card so what the heck.? I installed the battery and all was back to =
normal.<br class=3D"">I probably could have run that battery for a few =
more months before it failed altogether but that could have been on the =
middle of my trip to Dripping Springs.? ON a Sunday.? On I-35 in =
Dallas.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">As Randall said, you need both a =
volt meter and an ammeter to diagnose a problem.? Basically, the =
voltmeter will indicate the health of the charging system and the =
ammeter will indicate the health of the battery - but only if the =
charging system is working properly.? A charging system malfunction can =
give you the same ammeter reading as a failing battery so the ammeter =
along is not enough.? And a pending battery failure will not necessarily =
show on the load tester.<br class=3D"">Good luck.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Dave <br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"">From: Peter =
Arakelian &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br class=3D"">To: =
[email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br =
class=3D"">Sent: Sat, Oct 12, 2019 1:57 pm<br class=3D"">Subject: [TR] =
battery, alternator, or gremlin?<br class=3D""><br class=3D""> 1971 =
TR6.? Driving home last night I noticed my ammeter was at the + sign, =
half-way between neutral and full.? It is a 40 mile drive, stayed there =
the entire way.? I stopped to pick up a pizza.? the car cranked and =
started as usual after a 20 min stop.? Ammeter was now halfway between =
the neutral position and the + sign.? today I checked volage of battery =
from pole to pole: 12.60 volts.? Start the car today, cranked and =
started as usual, ammeter shows normal - slight charge at first then to =
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class=3D""><div><br class=3D""></div><div>Please advertise my TR8 for =
sale.<div class=3D"">Thanks</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div=
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TR8 Triumph.&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family: =
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miles}.&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family: =
HelveticaNeue;">Owned since June 22nd, 2006.&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"" =
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years; during which time I was wafling on selling.</span><span class=3D"" =
style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue;">5 speed transmission. 220 Km =
speedometer. Two year old battery. EFI. 15 inch Mag wheels. 6 CD player. =
AM/FM radio/one CD. Alternator. Up graded speakers. Electric radio =
antenna. Roll bar. Wind deflector. Half tonneau cover. Quaife limited =
slip differential. Dash cover {when car parked}. Weather cockpit cover. =
Trunk rack with third brake light. Stainless steel dual exhaust. =
Interior trunk light. 15=E2=80=9D alloy wheels. 185/55/R15 tires. =
K&amp;N filter. Upgraded larger front disc brakes. Carpet mats. Electric =
radiator fan. Aluminum radiator. Oil cooler. K &amp; N filter. Triple =
air horns with dash control for full blast or a tune. Updated driving =
lights. Headers. Cross engine brace. Battery disconnect switch. Some LED =
bulbs. Two sets of keys. TR8 key fob.&nbsp;</span><font =
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