Subject: Re: [TR] Subject: Re: Pain job for 1972 TR6

From: Cliff Hansen <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 20:14:55 +0000

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Gene

Those are Acme thread bolts, available from the usual suppliers, who also o=
ffer hardware kits for mounting fenders (wings).

https://www.bresco.com/acatalog/Screws-_ACME_Treaded.html

Best,

Cliff

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Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 3:35:33 PM
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Subject: [TR] Subject: Re: Pain job for 1972 TR6

John,

I took a look this morning at my TR6 books.  Bentley repair manual does sho=
w a color code in the SN for white.  I was not able to get any information =
to match a factory white 40 years ago.  PPG looked through all of their boo=
ks and the only formula they could find was the Jaguar white, which what I =
went with.

My Brooklands Book Gold Portfolio which is a compilation of magazine articl=
es and advertisements had no paint information and I couldn't find any arti=
cle that had information on colors or paint type.

I did not mean to imply that different color body panels were used by the f=
actory and then repainted.  My point was that my car, and all other cars I =
pulled parts from over the years were pieced together from wrecks.  I was n=
ever able to locate a salvage yard in Sacramento, CA that had white TR6 bod=
y panels.  I also could never find an intact left rear tail light assembly =
with all lenses still good--until someone told me about TRF and Moss Motors=
 in the 1980's.

Were the TR6 painted with lacquer, and did the paint shop spray the assembl=
ed cars before the engine was dropped in or were the panels already painted=
?  The sequence of articles in the Brooklands Book indicates there were pro=
bably manufacturing changes over the years since 1969.

I am attaching 2 pics of the "square threaded" bolts that attached my body =
panels.  Can anyone identify?  If helpful, I will take some measurements an=
d thread count--not to find a replacement, but to answer an issue that I en=
countered over 40 years ago.

<edited original post>

In the ten years I worked at StandardTriumph in Coventry (1965-1975) I woul=
d comment as follows:

1. White was always available as an original colour on all models with tan,=
 black or red trim.

3. If I?ve read the post correctly, it seems you feel body panels were a so=
rt of pick and mix in any colour before final painting? No way! All bodies =
for all markets and all models came out of the body shop in white undercoat=
 prior to going through the paint shop in colour batches, with cars in blac=
k being painted only on Friday afternoons. This was intentional as Black wa=
s not a popular colour and allowed the spray lines to be flushed through pr=
ior to paint shop cleaning over the weekend.

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portant">I
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 show a color code in the SN for white.&nbsp; I was not able to get any inf=
ormation to match a factory white 40 years ago.&nbsp; PPG looked through al=
l of their books and the only formula they could
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portant"><br>
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m, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif; font=
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portant">My
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 and advertisements had no paint information and I couldn't find any articl=
e that had information on colors or paint type.</span></div>
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e factory and then repainted.&nbsp; My point was that my car, and all other=
 cars I pulled parts from over the years were
 pieced together from wrecks.&nbsp; I was never able to locate a salvage ya=
rd in Sacramento, CA that had white TR6 body panels.&nbsp; I also could nev=
er find an intact left rear tail light assembly with all lenses still good-=
-until someone told me about TRF and Moss
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ere the TR6 painted with lacquer, and did the paint shop spray the assemble=
d cars before the engine was dropped in or were the panels already painted?=
&nbsp; The sequence of articles in the Brooklands
 Book indicates there were probably manufacturing changes over the years si=
nce 1969.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font></div>
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<font color=3D"#201f1e"><span style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14.6667px">I=
 am attaching 2 pics of the &quot;square threaded&quot; bolts that attached=
 my body panels.&nbsp; Can anyone identify?&nbsp; If helpful, I will take s=
ome measurements and thread count--not to find a replacement,
 but to answer an issue that I encountered over 40 years ago.&nbsp;&nbsp;</=
span></font></div>
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portant">In
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r all markets and all models came out of the body shop in white undercoat p=
rior to going through the paint
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Paint has been covered so many time on the lists over the years...I'm 
surprised more haven't already chimed in.

I confident there are arguments about which color was avail on what 
years... and even my own data is/may be in question in some situations.

My own color pages were designed to show the DIFFERENCE in the named 
colors. (not be absolute representations via the photos)

Regardless....?? white, Sebring, Leyland, Spa and Pearl white all have 
PPG codes on the page.? Right or wrong.... these are what have been 
identified over the years.

Whether they were used on earlier cars or not I have no clue as I was 
working Spits/GT6 eras.

http://www.teglerizer.com/triumphcolors/#White%20color

Of course, any color mixed today is NOT going to be a match on your 
car.? Chemical differences (then? and now) in paints, sun fade, weather 
effects etc have all changed these 40+ year old colors.

ptegler

On 10/8/2019 3:35 PM, Gene M wrote:
> John,
>
> I took a look this morning at my TR6 books.? Bentley repair manual 
> does show a color code in the SN for white.? I was not able to get any 
> information to match a factory white 40 years ago.? PPG looked through 
> all of their books and the only formula they could find was the Jaguar 
> white, which what I went with.
>
> My Brooklands Book Gold Portfolio which is a compilation of magazine 
> articles and advertisements had no paint information and I couldn't 
> find any article that had information on colors or paint type.
>
> I did not mean to imply that different color body panels were used by 
> the factory and then repainted.? My point was that my car, and all 
> other cars I pulled parts from over the years were pieced together 
> from wrecks.? I was never able to locate a salvage yard in Sacramento, 
> CA that had white TR6 body panels.? I also could never find an intact 
> left rear tail light assembly with all lenses still good--until 
> someone told me about TRF and Moss Motors in the 1980's.
>
> Were the TR6 painted with lacquer, and did the paint shop spray the 
> assembled cars before the engine was dropped in or were the panels 
> already painted?? The sequence of articles in the Brooklands Book 
> indicates there were probably manufacturing changes over the years 
> since 1969.
>
> I am attaching 2 pics of the "square threaded" bolts that attached my 
> body panels.? Can anyone identify?? If helpful, I will take some 
> measurements and thread count--not to find a replacement, but to 
> answer an issue that I encountered over 40 years ago.
>
> <edited original post>
>
> In the ten years I worked at StandardTriumph in Coventry (1965-1975) I 
> would comment as follows:
>
> 1. White was always available as an original colour on all models with 
> tan, black or red trim.
>
> 3. If I?ve read the post correctly, it seems you feel body panels were 
> a sort of pick and mix in any colour before final painting? No way! 
> All bodies for all markets and all models came out of the body shop in 
> white undercoat prior to going through the paint shop in colour 
> batches, with cars in black being painted only on Friday afternoons. 
> This was intentional as Black was not a popular colour and allowed the 
> spray lines to be flushed through prior to paint shop cleaning over 
> the weekend.
>
>
>
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    <p>Paint has been covered so many time on the lists over the
      years...I'm surprised more haven't already chimed in.</p>
    <p>I confident there are arguments about which color was avail on
      what years... and even my own data is/may be in question in some
      situations.</p>
    <p>My own color pages were designed to show the DIFFERENCE in the
      named colors. (not be absolute representations via the photos)</p>
    <p>Regardless....?? white, Sebring, Leyland, Spa and Pearl white all
      have PPG codes on the page.? Right or wrong.... these are what
      have been identified over the years.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Whether they were used on earlier cars or not I have no clue as I
      was working Spits/GT6 eras.</p>
    <p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
        href="http://www.teglerizer.com/triumphcolors/#White%20color">http://www.teglerizer.com/triumphcolors/#White%20color</a></p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Of course, any color mixed today is NOT going to be a match on
      your car.? Chemical differences (then? and now) in paints, sun
      fade, weather effects etc have all changed these 40+ year old
      colors.<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>ptegler<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/8/2019 3:35 PM, Gene M wrote:<br>
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          Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:
          14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display:
          inline !important">I took a look this morning at my TR6
          books.? Bentley repair manual does show a color code in the SN
          for white.? I was not able to get any information to match a
          factory white 40 years ago.? PPG looked through all of their
          books and the only formula they could find was the Jaguar
          white, which what I went with.??</span></div>
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          Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:
          14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display:
          inline !important">My Brooklands Book Gold Portfolio which is
          a compilation of magazine articles and advertisements had no
          paint information and I couldn't find any article that had
          information on colors or paint type.</span></div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div style=""><font color="#201f1e"><span style="font-size:
            14.6667px;">I did not mean to imply that different color
            body panels were used by the factory and then repainted.? My
            point was that my car, and all other cars I pulled parts
            from over the years were pieced together from wrecks.? I was
            never able to locate a salvage yard in Sacramento, CA that
            had white TR6 body panels.? I also could never find an
            intact left rear tail light assembly with all lenses still
            good--until someone told me about TRF and Moss Motors in the
            1980's.</span></font></div>
      <div style=""><font color="#201f1e"><br>
          <div style="font-size: 16px; margin: 0px; font-family:
            &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Web (West
            European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system,
            BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,
            sans-serif; color: rgb(50, 49, 48);">
            <font color="#201f1e"><span style="margin: 0px; font-size:
                14.6667px">Were the TR6 painted with lacquer, and did
                the paint shop spray the assembled cars before the
                engine was dropped in or were the panels already
                painted?? The sequence of articles in the Brooklands
                Book indicates there were probably manufacturing changes
                over the years since 1969.??</span></font></div>
          <div style="font-size: 16px; margin: 0px; font-family:
            &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Web (West
            European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system,
            BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,
            sans-serif; color: rgb(50, 49, 48);">
            <font color="#201f1e"><span style="margin: 0px; font-size:
                14.6667px"><br>
              </span></font></div>
          <div style="font-size: 16px; margin: 0px; font-family:
            &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Web (West
            European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system,
            BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,
            sans-serif; color: rgb(50, 49, 48);">
            <font color="#201f1e"><span style="margin: 0px; font-size:
                14.6667px">I am attaching 2 pics of the "square
                threaded" bolts that attached my body panels.? Can
                anyone identify?? If helpful, I will take some
                measurements and thread count--not to find a
                replacement, but to answer an issue that I encountered
                over 40 years ago.??</span></font></div>
          <div style="font-size: 16px; margin: 0px; font-family:
            &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Web (West
            European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system,
            BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,
            sans-serif; color: rgb(50, 49, 48);">
            <span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family:
              &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Web (West
              European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system,
              BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,
              sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px;"><br>
            </span></div>
          <div style="margin: 0px; font-family: &quot;Segoe UI&quot;,
            &quot;Segoe UI Web (West European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe
            UI&quot;, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto,
            &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif;">
            <span style="font-size: 14.6667px;">&lt;edited original
              post&gt;</span></div>
          <div style="margin: 0px; font-family: &quot;Segoe UI&quot;,
            &quot;Segoe UI Web (West European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe
            UI&quot;, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto,
            &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif;">
            <span style="font-size: 14.6667px;"><br>
            </span></div>
        </font></div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        <span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: &quot;Segoe
          UI&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Web (West European)&quot;,
          &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont,
          Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:
          14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display:
          inline !important">In the ten years I worked at
          StandardTriumph in Coventry (1965-1975) I would comment as
          follows:</span><br style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family:
          &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Web (West
          European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system,
          BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,
          sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255,
          255, 255)">
        <br style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: &quot;Segoe
          UI&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Web (West European)&quot;,
          &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont,
          Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:
          14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)">
        <span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: &quot;Segoe
          UI&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Web (West European)&quot;,
          &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont,
          Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:
          14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display:
          inline !important">1. White was always available as an
          original colour on all models with tan, black or red trim.</span><br
          style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: &quot;Segoe
          UI&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Web (West European)&quot;,
          &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont,
          Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:
          14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)">
        <br style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: &quot;Segoe
          UI&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Web (West European)&quot;,
          &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont,
          Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:
          14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)">
        <span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: &quot;Segoe
          UI&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Web (West European)&quot;,
          &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont,
          Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:
          14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display:
          inline !important">3. If I?ve read the post correctly, it
          seems you feel body panels were a sort of pick and mix in any
          colour before final painting? No way! All bodies for all
          markets and all models came out of the body shop in white
          undercoat prior to going through the paint shop in colour
          batches, with cars in black being painted only on Friday
          afternoons. This was intentional as Black was not a popular
          colour and allowed the spray lines to be flushed through prior
          to paint shop cleaning over the weekend.</span><br
          style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: &quot;Segoe
          UI&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Web (West European)&quot;,
          &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont,
          Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:
          14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)">
        <br style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: &quot;Segoe
          UI&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Web (West European)&quot;,
          &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont,
          Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:
          14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)">
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Following on from this earlier post, I've been digging around on the 'net
and have come up with what "appears to be" a helpful list. NFI but if I was
stuck for a paint colour code, I think I'd trust these various codes.

http://mustangattitude.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?make=Triumph
<http://mustangattitude.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?make=Triumph&con=k&
page=1&rows=50> &con=k&page=1&rows=50 

You've got nine pages of Standard-Triumph colours going from 1953 to past
the end of production and I feel that anything past 1982-ish is almost
certainly for motorcycles of the same name. Hope this helps?

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rows=3D50</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
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John,
You come though splendidly, great reference for many other cars/trucks as we=
ll.  Did Triumph never have a colour Old English White?
Cheers,
Bill

Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......BWS

> On Oct 14, 2019, at 7:04 AM, John Macartney <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
>=20

=EF=BB=BF
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 =E2=80=98net and have come up with what =E2=80=9Cappears to be=E2=80=9D a h=
elpful list. NFI but if I was stuck for a paint colour code, I think I=E2=80=
=99d trust these various codes.
=20
http://mustangattitude.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?make=3DTriumph&con=3D=
k&page=3D1&rows=3D50
=20
You=E2=80=99ve got nine pages of Standard-Triumph colours going from 1953 to=
 past the end of production and I feel that anything past 1982-ish is almost=
 certainly for motorcycles of the same name. Hope this helps?
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
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 reference for many other cars/trucks as well. &nbsp;Did Triumph never have a=
 colour Old English White?</div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Bill<br><br><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......BWS</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 14, 2019, at 7:04 AM, John Macartney &lt;John.=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
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ome up with what =E2=80=9Cappears to be=E2=80=9D a helpful list. NFI but if I=
 was stuck for a paint colour code, I think I=E2=80=99d trust these various c=
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yle=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a href=3D"http://mustangattitude.com/cgi=
-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?make=3DTriumph&amp;con=3Dk&amp;page=3D1&amp;rows=3D=
50">http://mustangattitude.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?make=3DTriumph&a=
mp;con=3Dk&amp;page=3D1&amp;rows=3D50</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"=
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n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">You=E2=
=80=99ve got nine pages of Standard-Triumph colours going from 1953 to past t=
he end of production and I feel that anything past 1982-ish is almost certai=
nly for motorcycles of the same name. Hope this helps?<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp=
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Hi, Bill,

Old English White is a name and shade originating with BMC - Austin, Morris,=
 MG, Riley and Wolseley. It has/had overtones of cream. This side of pond (i=
n U.K.) everyone selling a white classic car of any make, always refers to i=
t as being OEW. Don=E2=80=99t know why but it=E2=80=99s become a generic. Gl=
ad the paint code list helped. It=E2=80=99s all out there - you just have to=
 throw a large net, use lots of different search criteria and just drill.

Cheers, Jonmac

Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is better t=
o lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL

> On 14 Oct 2019, at 14:08, [email-masked] <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> John,
> You come though splendidly, great reference for many other cars/trucks as w=
ell.  Did Triumph never have a colour Old English White?
>> On Oct 14, 2019, at 7:04 AM, John Macartney <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
>>=20
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Following on from this earlier post, I=E2=80=99ve been digging around on t=
he =E2=80=98net and have come up with what =E2=80=9Cappears to be=E2=80=9D a=
 helpful list. NFI but if I was stuck for a paint colour code, I think I=E2=80=
=99d trust these various codes.
> =20
> http://mustangattitude.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?make=3DTriumph&con=
=3Dk&page=3D1&rows=3D50
> =20
> You=E2=80=99ve got nine pages of Standard-Triumph colours going from 1953 t=
o past the end of production and I feel that anything past 1982-ish is almos=
t certainly for motorcycles of the same name. Hope this helps?
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Hi, Bill,<div><br></div><div>Old English Wh=
ite is a name and shade originating with BMC - Austin, Morris, MG, Riley and=
 Wolseley. It has/had overtones of cream. This side of pond (in U.K.) everyo=
ne selling a white classic car of any make, always refers to it as being OEW=
. Don=E2=80=99t know why but it=E2=80=99s become a generic. Glad the paint c=
ode list helped. It=E2=80=99s all out there - you just have to throw a large=
 net, use lots of different search criteria and just drill.</div><div><br></=
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/div><div>Bill<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......=
BWS</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 14, 2019, at 7=
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=80=99ve got nine pages of Standard-Triumph colours going from 1953 to past t=
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nly for motorcycles of the same name. Hope this helps?<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 09:45:14 -0400 (EDT)

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Hmmmm.....  Fascinating.  Thanks Jonmac.  Leaves me with a question.  My '5=
9 TR3A came to me (in shambles, but stll) in a dark blue.  As I took the pi=
eces off, it seems that was the original color.  I don't see it here, so mu=
st it have been a repaint?

Terry

> On October 14, 2019 at 8:04 AM John Macartney <[email-masked].=
uk> wrote:
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ks Jonmac.&#160; Leaves me with a question.&#160; My &#39;59 TR3A came to m=
e (in shambles, but stll) in a dark blue.&#160; As I took the pieces off, i=
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hese various codes.</p><p class=3D"ox-125d97dbea-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p cl=
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e pages of Standard-Triumph colours going from 1953 to past the end of prod=
uction and I feel that anything past 1982-ish is almost certainly for motor=
cycles of the same name. Hope this helps?</p><p class=3D"ox-125d97dbea-MsoN=
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It's hard to get colors on a computer screen to look like the color on a
car.  To my eyes, the scanned paint chip I have for Cotswold Blue looks a
very credible "dark blue"; while the web page that Jonmac linked to seems to
not actually have a color chip for it and perhaps is just showing a dark
gray color by default.

Eg,
http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/triumph/213026-1961-triumph-tr3arestored-co
tswold-blue-excellent-condition.html
(note how the shade of blue appears to change slightly even between photos
of the same car)

I also feel that the chip shown on that site for "Renoir Blue" is wrong.
Although certainly not what I'd call a "dark" blue, it's very definitely
blue. Eg,
http://classiccars.brightwells.com/viewdetails.php?id=4754

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 12:53:57 -0700

Oops, sorry.  Here's a short version of the first link
https://tinyurl.com/yxo5syfs

-- Randall 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On 
> Behalf Of Randall
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 12:42 PM
> To: 'TERRY SMITH'; 'Gene M'; [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [TR] Subject: Re: Pain job for 1972 TR6
> 
> It's hard to get colors on a computer screen to look like the 
> color on a car.  To my eyes, the scanned paint chip I have 
> for Cotswold Blue looks a very credible "dark blue"; while 
> the web page that Jonmac linked to seems to not actually have 
> a color chip for it and perhaps is just showing a dark gray 
> color by default.
> 
> Eg,
> (note how the shade of blue appears to change slightly even 
> between photos of the same car)
> 
> Although certainly not what I'd call a "dark" blue, it's very 
> definitely blue. Eg,

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From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 21:21:51 +0100

Re Cotswold Blue. You may find it under a Jaguar heading as both companies used the same colour under the same name at the same time.

Jonmac

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> On 14 Oct 2019, at 20:53, Randall <[email-masked]> wrote:
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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 08:47:17 -0500

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A few years back, I did the same search for Old English White. My =
painter found FORD Wimbledon White and the TR3 looked fantastic. I =
can=E2=80=99t recall any code numbers.

=20

Greg G.

Osseo, MN

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From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of =
[email-masked]
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 8:08 AM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: Gene M <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] Subject: Re: Pain job for 1972 TR6

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John,

You come though splendidly, great reference for many other cars/trucks =
as well.  Did Triumph never have a colour Old English White?

Cheers,

Bill

On Oct 14, 2019, at 7:04 AM, John Macartney =
wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

Following on from this earlier post, I=E2=80=99ve been digging around on =
the =E2=80=98net and have come up with what =E2=80=9Cappears to =
be=E2=80=9D a helpful list. NFI but if I was stuck for a paint colour =
code, I think I=E2=80=99d trust these various codes.

=20

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<http://mustangattitude.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?make=3DTriumph&c=
on=3Dk&page=3D1&rows=3D50> &con=3Dk&page=3D1&rows=3D50=20

=20

You=E2=80=99ve got nine pages of Standard-Triumph colours going from =
1953 to past the end of production and I feel that anything past =
1982-ish is almost certainly for motorcycles of the same name. Hope this =
helps?

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class=3DMsoNormal>A few years back, I did the same search for Old =
English White. My painter found FORD Wimbledon White and the TR3 looked =
fantastic. I can=E2=80=99t recall any code numbers.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Greg =
G.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Osseo, MN<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>[email-masked]<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 14, 2019 8:08 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> Gene M =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Subject: Re: Pain job =
for 1972 TR6<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>John,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>You come =
though splendidly, great reference for many other cars/trucks as well. =
&nbsp;Did Triumph never have a colour Old English =
White?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Bill<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cactus Jack drinks coffee =
black......BWS<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Oct 14, 2019, at 7:04 AM, John =
Macartney &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Following =
on from this earlier post, I=E2=80=99ve been digging around on the =
=E2=80=98net and have come up with what =E2=80=9Cappears to be=E2=80=9D =
a helpful list. NFI but if I was stuck for a paint colour code, I think =
I=E2=80=99d trust these various codes.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"http://mustangattitude.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?make=3DTr=
iumph&amp;con=3Dk&amp;page=3D1&amp;rows=3D50">http://mustangattitude.com/=
cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?make=3DTriumph&amp;con=3Dk&amp;page=3D1&amp;=
rows=3D50</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>You=E2=80=99ve got nine pages of Standard-Triumph =
colours going from 1953 to past the end of production and I feel that =
anything past 1982-ish is almost certainly for motorcycles of the same =
name. Hope this helps?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jonmac<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>** <a =
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From: DAVE HOGYE <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 07:15:40 -0700 (PDT)

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Yes.  Thanks Jon.
I too have been wondering about a certain Triumph color.  Pearl White.  My =
'54 Long Door TR2 was originally Pearl White with blue interior and there i=
s lots of white left in certain areas, but I don't see any pearl in it.  Ca=
n anyone comment on this Triumph color?  It just looks like a bright white =
to me. =20
Thanks, Dave H.

> On October 14, 2019 at 6:45 AM TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote:
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>     Hmmmm.....  Fascinating.  Thanks Jonmac.  Leaves me with a question. =
 My '59 TR3A came to me (in shambles, but stll) in a dark blue.  As I took =
the pieces off, it seems that was the original color.  I don't see it here,=
 so must it have been a repaint?
>=20
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>     Terry
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>         > > On October 14, 2019 at 8:04 AM John Macartney <john.macartney=
@ukpips.org.uk> wrote:
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> >         Following on from this earlier post, I=E2=80=99ve been digging =
around on the =E2=80=98net and have come up with what =E2=80=9Cappears to b=
e=E2=80=9D a helpful list. NFI but if I was stuck for a paint colour code, =
I think I=E2=80=99d trust these various codes.
> >=20
> >         =20
> >=20
> >         http://mustangattitude.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?make=3D=
Triumph&con=3Dk&page=3D1&rows=3D50
> >=20
> >         =20
> >=20
> >         You=E2=80=99ve got nine pages of Standard-Triumph colours going=
 from 1953 to past the end of production and I feel that anything past 1982=
-ish is almost certainly for motorcycles of the same name. Hope this helps?
> >         Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team=
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   Yes.&nbsp; Thanks Jon.
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  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;=
 color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">
   I too have been wondering about a certain Triumph color.&nbsp; Pearl Whi=
te.&nbsp; My '54 Long Door TR2 was originally Pearl White with blue interio=
r and there is lots of white left in certain areas, but I don't see any pea=
rl in it.&nbsp; Can anyone comment on this Triumph color?&nbsp; It just loo=
ks like a bright white to me.&nbsp;&nbsp;
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   Thanks, Dave H.
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   On October 14, 2019 at 6:45 AM TERRY SMITH &lt;[email-masked]&gt; w=
rote:=20
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   <p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; =
color: #333333;">Hmmmm.....&nbsp; Fascinating.&nbsp; Thanks Jonmac.&nbsp; L=
eaves me with a question.&nbsp; My '59 TR3A came to me (in shambles, but st=
ll) in a dark blue.&nbsp; As I took the pieces off, it seems that was the o=
riginal color.&nbsp; I don't see it here, so must it have been a repaint?</=
p>
   <p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; =
color: #333333;"><br></p>
   <p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; =
color: #333333;">Terry</p>
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    On October 14, 2019 at 8:04 AM John Macartney &lt;john.macartney@ukpips=
.org.uk&gt; wrote:=20
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his earlier post, I=E2=80=99ve been digging around on the =E2=80=98net and =
have come up with what =E2=80=9Cappears to be=E2=80=9D a helpful list. NFI =
but if I was stuck for a paint colour code, I think I=E2=80=99d trust these=
 various codes.</p>
     <p class=3D"ox-e4eb82bdb9-ox-125d97dbea-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
     <p class=3D"ox-e4eb82bdb9-ox-125d97dbea-MsoNormal"><a href=3D"http://m=
ustangattitude.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?make=3DTriumph&amp;con=3Dk&=
amp;page=3D1&amp;rows=3D50">http://mustangattitude.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedis=
play.cgi?make=3DTriumph&amp;con=3Dk&amp;page=3D1&amp;rows=3D50</a></p>
     <p class=3D"ox-e4eb82bdb9-ox-125d97dbea-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
     <p class=3D"ox-e4eb82bdb9-ox-125d97dbea-MsoNormal">You=E2=80=99ve got =
nine pages of Standard-Triumph colours going from 1953 to past the end of p=
roduction and I feel that anything past 1982-ish is almost certainly for mo=
torcycles of the same name. Hope this helps?</p>
     <p class=3D"ox-e4eb82bdb9-ox-125d97dbea-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
     <p class=3D"ox-e4eb82bdb9-ox-125d97dbea-MsoNormal">Jonmac</p>
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From: Richard Lindsay <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 09:25:03 -0500

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Thank you. Great resource.

On Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 7:04 AM John Macartney via 6pack <[email-masked]=
t>

> Following on from this earlier post, I=E2=80=99ve been digging around on =
the =E2=80=98net
> and have come up with what =E2=80=9Cappears to be=E2=80=9D a helpful list=
. NFI but if I was
> stuck for a paint colour code, I think I=E2=80=99d trust these various co=
des.
>
>
>
>
> http://mustangattitude.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?make=3DTriumph&co=
n=3Dk&page=3D1&rows=3D50
>
>
>
> You=E2=80=99ve got nine pages of Standard-Triumph colours going from 1953=
 to past
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<div dir=3D"auto">Thank you. Great resource.=C2=A0</div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 7:0=
4 AM John Macartney via 6pack &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">6=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=
<div lang=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3D"m_-480=
1353836600367513WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Following on fro=
m this earlier post, I=E2=80=99ve been digging around on the =E2=80=98net a=
nd have come up with what =E2=80=9Cappears to be=E2=80=9D a helpful list. N=
FI but if I was stuck for a paint colour code, I think I=E2=80=99d trust th=
ese various codes.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><a href=3D"http://=
mustangattitude.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?make=3DTriumph&amp;con=3Dk=
&amp;page=3D1&amp;rows=3D50" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">http://mu=
stangattitude.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?make=3DTriumph&amp;con=3Dk&a=
mp;page=3D1&amp;rows=3D50</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>You=E2=
=80=99ve got nine pages of Standard-Triumph colours going from 1953 to past=
 the end of production and I feel that anything past 1982-ish is almost cer=
tainly for motorcycles of the same name. Hope this helps?<u></u><u></u></sp=
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