Subject: Re: [TR] rope trick thingy

From: Sujit Roy <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 10:05:08 -0700

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I dint have much with that rope trick on a Stag's head. but you may find
someone who made a head removing tool

Sujit

On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 7:38 PM Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Is the rope trick the thing where you put the rope in the cylinder down
> the spark  plug hole and then turn the engine so that the piston breaks the
> head gasket seal?  I thought someone said not to turn over the engine?
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I dint have much with that rope trick on a Stag&#39;s head=
. but you may find someone who made a head removing tool<div><br></div><div=
>Sujit</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 7:38 PM Paul Dorsey &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s=
olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Is the rope trick =
the thing where you put the rope in the cylinder down the spark=C2=A0 plug =
hole and then turn the engine so that the piston breaks the head gasket sea=
l?=C2=A0 I thought someone said not to turn over the engine?</div>
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From: Randall <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 13:09:47 -0500

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The =E2=80=9Crope trick=E2=80=9D is for emergencies, when you just can=E2=
=80=99t get the head off any other way.  In that case, chances are good tha=
t the liners are so stuck they don=E2=80=99t need to be retained.  But also=
, IMO, if it=E2=80=99s that bad, it=E2=80=99s time to pull the liners anywa=
y (in which case they don=E2=80=99t need to be retained either).

I=E2=80=99ve taken apart some pretty sad TR3 motors, and never had to resor=
t to the =E2=80=9Crope trick=E2=80=9D.  Getting the head off a Stag or TR7 =
can be a real challenge, but the TR3 has never been a problem for me.

- Randall

From: Paul Dorsey
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 9:38 PM
To: Me; Triumph list Team.net
Subject: [TR] rope trick thingy

Is the rope trick the thing where you put the rope in the cylinder down the=
 spark=C2=A0 plug hole and then turn the engine so that the piston breaks t=
he head gasket seal?=C2=A0 I thought someone said not to turn over the engi=
ne?

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ss=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>The =E2=80=9Crope trick=E2=80=9D is =
for emergencies, when you just can=E2=80=99t get the head off any other way=
.=C2=A0 In that case, chances are good that the liners are so stuck they do=
n=E2=80=99t need to be retained.=C2=A0 But also, IMO, if it=E2=80=99s that =
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=80=99t need to be retained either).</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99ve taken apart some pretty sad TR3 mo=
tors, and never had to resort to the =E2=80=9Crope trick=E2=80=9D. =C2=A0Ge=
tting the head off a Stag or TR7 can be a real challenge, but the TR3 has n=
ever been a problem for me.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal>- Randall</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><=
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ne;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Paul Dor=
sey</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, September 2, 2019 9:38 PM<br><b>To: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Me</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox=
.team.net">Triumph list Team.net</a><br><b>Subject: </b>[TR] rope trick thi=
ngy</p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
>Is the rope trick the thing where you put the rope in the cylinder down th=
e spark&nbsp; plug hole and then turn the engine so that the piston breaks =
the head gasket seal?&nbsp; I thought someone said not to turn over the eng=
ine?</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></body></html>=

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From: Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 22:58:36 -0400

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Thanks for the tip!

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 6:26 PM Glenn A. Merrell <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Stag and TR7 heads are no longer an issue.
>
>
>
> There are cylinder head tools available that lift off even the most
> corroded heads off a Stag or TR7 engine in 30 minutes or less with no
> damage, actually taking more time to install and remove the tool than it
> takes to  lifting the head.  That is the first and last tool to use, all
> other methods are rendered obsolete and typically damage something else i=
n
> the process.
>
> Use of the tool is free excepting you pay round trip shipping of the tool
> and replace anything you lose or break on the tool.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
>
> Glenn Merrell
>
> aka StagByTriumph Garage (*now on FaceBook*)
>
> Remember, =E2=80=9Cthe BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone ch=
ips in
> the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen =E2=80=A6 with the occasional =
smell of
> manure!=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] *On Behalf Of *
> Randall
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 3, 2019 12:10 PM
> *To:* Paul Dorsey; Triumph list Team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] rope trick thingy
>
>
>
=80=99t get the head off
> any other way.  In that case, chances are good that the liners are so stu=
ck
> they don=E2=80=99t need to be retained.  But also, IMO, if it=E2=80=99s t=
hat bad, it=E2=80=99s time
> to pull the liners anyway (in which case they don=E2=80=99t need to be re=
tained
> either).
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99ve taken apart some pretty sad TR3 motors, and never had to res=
ort to
> the =E2=80=9Crope trick=E2=80=9D.  Getting the head off a Stag or TR7 can=
 be a real
> challenge, but the TR3 has never been a problem for me.
>
>
>
> - Randall
>
>
>
> *From: *Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]>
> *Sent: *Monday, September 2, 2019 9:38 PM
> *To: *Me <[email-masked]>; Triumph list Team.net
> <[email-masked]>
> *Subject: *[TR] rope trick thingy
>
>
>
> the spark  plug hole and then turn the engine so that the piston breaks t=
he
> head gasket seal?  I thought someone said not to turn over the engine?

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for the tip!=C2=A0<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 6:26 P=
M Glenn A. Merrell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_=
4858562247145197983WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"colo=
r:rgb(31,73,125)">Stag and TR7 heads are no longer an issue. <u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(=
31,73,125)">There are cylinder head tools available that lift off even the =
most corroded heads off a Stag or TR7 engine in 30 minutes or less with no =
damage, actually taking more time to install and remove the tool than it ta=
kes to =C2=A0lifting the head.=C2=A0 That is the first and last tool to use=
, all other methods are rendered obsolete and typically damage something el=
se in the process.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Use of the tool is free excepting you pay round=
 trip shipping of the tool and replace anything you lose or break on the to=
ol.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb=
(31,73,125)">Cheers!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Glenn Merrell=C2=A0<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
aka StagByTriumph Garage (<i>now on FaceBook</i>)<u></u><u></u></span></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Remember, =E2=80=
=9Cthe BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone chips in the paint; =
and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen =E2=80=A6 with the occasional smell of manu=
re!=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"m_4858562247145197983__MailEndCompose"><span st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></a></p><div><div s=
tyle=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1p=
t solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><=
span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> Triumphs [mail=
to:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tri=
[email-masked]</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall<br><b>Sent:</=
b> Tuesday, September 3, 2019 12:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> Paul Dorsey; Triumph l=
ist Team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] rope trick thingy<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">The =E2=80=9Crope trick=E2=80=9D is for emergencies, when yo=
u just can=E2=80=99t get the head off any other way.=C2=A0 In that case, ch=
ances are good that the liners are so stuck they don=E2=80=99t need to be r=
etained.=C2=A0 But also, IMO, if it=E2=80=99s that bad, it=E2=80=99s time t=
o pull the liners anyway (in which case they don=E2=80=99t need to be retai=
ned either).<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99ve taken apart some pretty sad TR3 motor=
s, and never had to resort to the =E2=80=9Crope trick=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 Getti=
ng the head off a Stag or TR7 can be a real challenge, but the TR3 has neve=
r been a problem for me.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">- Randall<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-=
bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:=
3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:dorpaul1=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">Paul Dorsey</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, Septe=
mber 2, 2019 9:38 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">Me</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">Triumph list Team.net</a><br><b>Subject: </b>[TR] rope trick th=
ingy<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Is the rope trick the thing where you put the rope i=
n the cylinder down the spark=C2=A0 plug hole and then turn the engine so t=
hat the piston breaks the head gasket seal?=C2=A0 I thought someone said no=
t to turn over the engine?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div>

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From: "Glenn A. Merrell" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 16:26:38 -0600

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Stag and TR7 heads are no longer an issue.=20

=20

There are cylinder head tools available that lift off even the most =
corroded heads off a Stag or TR7 engine in 30 minutes or less with no =
damage, actually taking more time to install and remove the tool than it =
takes to  lifting the head.  That is the first and last tool to use, all =
other methods are rendered obsolete and typically damage something else =
in the process.

Use of the tool is free excepting you pay round trip shipping of the =
tool and replace anything you lose or break on the tool.

Cheers!

=20

Glenn Merrell=20

aka StagByTriumph Garage (now on FaceBook)

Remember, =E2=80=9Cthe BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone =
chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen =E2=80=A6 with the =
occasional smell of manure!=E2=80=9D

=20

=20

=20

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
Randall
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 12:10 PM
To: Paul Dorsey; Triumph list Team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] rope trick thingy

=20

The =E2=80=9Crope trick=E2=80=9D is for emergencies, when you just =
can=E2=80=99t get the head off any other way.  In that case, chances are =
good that the liners are so stuck they don=E2=80=99t need to be =
retained.  But also, IMO, if it=E2=80=99s that bad, it=E2=80=99s time to =
pull the liners anyway (in which case they don=E2=80=99t need to be =
retained either).

=20

I=E2=80=99ve taken apart some pretty sad TR3 motors, and never had to =
resort to the =E2=80=9Crope trick=E2=80=9D.  Getting the head off a Stag =
or TR7 can be a real challenge, but the TR3 has never been a problem for =
me.

=20

- Randall

=20

=20

Is the rope trick the thing where you put the rope in the cylinder down =
the spark  plug hole and then turn the engine so that the piston breaks =
the head gasket seal?  I thought someone said not to turn over the =
engine?

=20

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style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Stag and TR7 heads are no longer an issue. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>There are cylinder head =
tools available that lift off even the most corroded heads off a Stag or =
TR7 engine in 30 minutes or less with no damage, actually taking more =
time to install and remove the tool than it takes to =C2=A0lifting the =
head.=C2=A0 That is the first and last tool to use, all other methods =
are rendered obsolete and typically damage something else in the =
process.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Use of the tool is free excepting you pay round =
trip shipping of the tool and replace anything you lose or break on the =
tool.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Cheers!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Glenn =
Merrell&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>aka StagByTriumph Garage (<i>now on =
FaceBook</i>)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Remember, =E2=80=9Cthe BEST trophies are: Miles =
on the Odometer; Stone chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the =
windscreen =E2=80=A6 with the occasional smell of =
manure!=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></a></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Randall<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 3, 2019 12:10 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Paul Dorsey; Triumph list Team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [TR] rope trick thingy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The =
=E2=80=9Crope trick=E2=80=9D is for emergencies, when you just =
can=E2=80=99t get the head off any other way.&nbsp; In that case, =
chances are good that the liners are so stuck they don=E2=80=99t need to =
be retained.&nbsp; But also, IMO, if it=E2=80=99s that bad, it=E2=80=99s =
time to pull the liners anyway (in which case they don=E2=80=99t need to =
be retained either).<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99ve =
taken apart some pretty sad TR3 motors, and never had to resort to the =
=E2=80=9Crope trick=E2=80=9D. &nbsp;Getting the head off a Stag or TR7 =
can be a real challenge, but the TR3 has never been a problem for =
me.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>- Randall<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Paul Dorsey</a><br><b>Sent: =
</b>Monday, September 2, 2019 9:38 PM<br><b>To: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Me</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Triumph list =
Team.net</a><br><b>Subject: </b>[TR] rope trick =
thingy<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Is the rope trick the thing where you put the rope in =
the cylinder down the spark&nbsp; plug hole and then turn the engine so =
that the piston breaks the head gasket seal?&nbsp; I thought someone =
said not to turn over the engine?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 18:03:56 -0400 (EDT)

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Haven't heard it mentioned, so question.  When using the "rope trick," woul=
d it be wise to remove the pedestal for the rocker arms first so's to avoid=
 damaging valves?

Terry

On September 3, 2019 at 6:26 PM "Glenn A. Merrell" <controls@freelanceconsu=
lting.net> wrote:

>     There are cylinder head tools available that lift off even the most c=
orroded heads off a Stag or TR7 engine in 30 minutes or less with no damage=
, actually taking more time to install and remove the tool than it takes to=
  lifting the head.  That is the first and last tool to use, all other meth=
ods are rendered obsolete and typically damage something else in the proces=
s.
>     Remember, =E2=80=9Cthe BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Ston=
e chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen =E2=80=A6 with the oc=
casional smell of manure!=E2=80=9D
Randall
>     The =E2=80=9Crope trick=E2=80=9D is for emergencies, when you just ca=
n=E2=80=99t get the head off any other way.  In that case, chances are good=
 that the liners are so stuck they don=E2=80=99t need to be retained.  But =
also, IMO, if it=E2=80=99s that bad, it=E2=80=99s time to pull the liners a=
nyway (in which case they don=E2=80=99t need to be retained either).
>=20
>     =20
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>     I=E2=80=99ve taken apart some pretty sad TR3 motors, and never had to=
 resort to the =E2=80=9Crope trick=E2=80=9D.  Getting the head off a Stag o=
r TR7 can be a real challenge, but the TR3 has never been a problem for me.
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     - Randall
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>     =20
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>     From: Paul Dorsey mailto:[email-masked]
>     To: Me mailto:[email-masked] ; Triumph list Team.net mailto:trium=
[email-masked]
>     Is the rope trick the thing where you put the rope in the cylinder do=
wn the spark  plug hole and then turn the engine so that the piston breaks =
the head gasket seal?  I thought someone said not to turn over the engine?

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    <meta charset=3D"UTF-8">
</head><body><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sa=
ns-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Haven&#39;t heard it mentioned, so quest=
ion.&#160; When using the &#34;rope trick,&#34; would it be wise to remove =
the pedestal for the rocker arms first so&#39;s to avoid damaging valves?</=
p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; c=
olor: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: h=
elvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Terry</p><p style=3D"=
font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, =
51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, aria=
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; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br><=
/p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">On September 3, 2019 at 6:26 PM &#34;Glenn A. Merr=
ell&#34; &#60;[email-masked]&#62; wrote: <br> <br></p><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"ox-389afdd6e2-WordSection1"><p class=
=3D"ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">Stag and TR7 h=
eads are no longer an issue. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-389afdd=
6e2-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">There are cylinder head tool=
s available that lift off even the most corroded heads off a Stag or TR7 en=
gine in 30 minutes or less with no damage, actually taking more time to ins=
tall and remove the tool than it takes to &#160;lifting the head.&#160; Tha=
t is the first and last tool to use, all other methods are rendered obsolet=
e and typically damage something else in the process. </span></p><p class=
=3D"ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">Use of the too=
l is free excepting you pay round trip shipping of the tool and replace any=
thing you lose or break on the tool. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-389afdd6e2-M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">Cheers! </span></p><p class=3D"ox=
-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;"> &#160; </span></p><=
p class=3D"ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">Glenn M=
errell&#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"color: #1f497d;">aka StagByTriumph Garage (<em>now on FaceBook</em>) </spa=
n></p><p class=3D"ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">=
Remember, &#8220;the BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone chips =
in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen &#8230; with the occasional s=
mell of manure!&#8221; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"color: #1f497d;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-389afdd6e2-Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-=
389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><a name=3D"_MailEndCompose" class=3D"mce-item-anchor"=
></a><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;"> &#160; </span></p><div><div style=3D"=
border: none; border-top: solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"=
><p class=3D"ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-size: 10.=
0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></strong><span style=
=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> Triumphs [mail=
to:[email-masked]] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Randall<b=
r><strong>Sent:</strong> Tuesday, September 3, 2019 12:10 PM<br><strong>To:=
</strong> Paul Dorsey; Triumph list Team.net<br><strong>Subject:</strong> R=
e: [TR] rope trick thingy </span></p></div></div><p class=3D"ox-389afdd6e2-=
MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal">The &#8220;rope t=
rick&#8221; is for emergencies, when you just can&#8217;t get the head off =
any other way.&#160; In that case, chances are good that the liners are so =
stuck they don&#8217;t need to be retained.&#160; But also, IMO, if it&#821=
7;s that bad, it&#8217;s time to pull the liners anyway (in which case they=
 don&#8217;t need to be retained either).</p><p class=3D"ox-389afdd6e2-MsoN=
ormal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal">I&#8217;ve taken apar=
t some pretty sad TR3 motors, and never had to resort to the &#8220;rope tr=
ick&#8221;. &#160;Getting the head off a Stag or TR7 can be a real challeng=
e, but the TR3 has never been a problem for me.</p><p class=3D"ox-389afdd6e=
2-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal">- Randall</p><p=
 class=3D"ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><div style=3D"border: none; bo=
rder-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"ox-=
389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><strong>From: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:dorpaul1@gma=
il.com">Paul Dorsey</a><br><strong>Sent: </strong>Monday, September 2, 2019=
 9:38 PM<br><strong>To: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Me</=
a>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Triumph list Team.net</a><br=
><strong>Subject: </strong>[TR] rope trick thingy</p></div><p class=3D"ox-3=
89afdd6e2-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal">Is the =
rope trick the thing where you put the rope in the cylinder down the spark&=
#160; plug hole and then turn the engine so that the piston breaks the head=
 gasket seal?&#160; I thought someone said not to turn over the engine?</p>=
<p class=3D"ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal">&#160;</p></div></blockquote><p style=
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Geez yes!  You do NOT want a valve open when you use the rope to push 
the head up.  I'm not sure how you'd get the head nuts off without 
removing the rocker shaft, but you certainly want the valves closed or 
you have a very good chance of damaging an open valve.

- Tony Drews

On 9/8/2019 5:03 PM, TERRY SMITH wrote:
>
> Haven't heard it mentioned, so question.  When using the "rope trick," 
> would it be wise to remove the pedestal for the rocker arms first so's 
> to avoid damaging valves?
>
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>
> On September 3, 2019 at 6:26 PM "Glenn A. Merrell" 
> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>> damage, actually taking more time to install and remove the tool than 
>> it takes to  lifting the head.  That is the first and last tool to 
>> use, all other methods are rendered obsolete and typically damage 
>> something else in the process.
>>
>> Use of the tool is free excepting you pay round trip shipping of the 
>> aka StagByTriumph Garage (/now on FaceBook/)
>>
>> Remember, “the BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone chips 
>> in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen … with the occasional 
>> smell of manure!”
>>
>> *From:*Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] *On Behalf 
>> Of *Randall
>> The “rope trick” is for emergencies, when you just can’t get the head 
>> off any other way.  In that case, chances are good that the liners 
>> are so stuck they don’t need to be retained.  But also, IMO, if it’s 
>> that bad, it’s time to pull the liners anyway (in which case they 
>> don’t need to be retained either).
>>
>> I’ve taken apart some pretty sad TR3 motors, and never had to resort 
>> to the “rope trick”.  Getting the head off a Stag or TR7 can be a 
>> real challenge, but the TR3 has never been a problem for me.
>>
>> - Randall
>>
>> Is the rope trick the thing where you put the rope in the cylinder 
>> down the spark  plug hole and then turn the engine so that the piston 
>> breaks the head gasket seal?  I thought someone said not to turn over 
>> the engine?
>>
>
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]
>
>
>
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    <p>Geez yes!  You do NOT want a valve open when you use the rope to
      push the head up.  I'm not sure how you'd get the head nuts off
      without removing the rocker shaft, but you certainly want the
      valves closed or you have a very good chance of damaging an open
      valve.</p>
    <p>- Tony Drews<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/8/2019 5:03 PM, TERRY SMITH wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:[email-masked]">
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      <meta charset="UTF-8">
      <p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
        sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Haven't heard it mentioned,
        so question.  When using the "rope trick," would it be wise to
        remove the pedestal for the rocker arms first so's to avoid
        damaging valves?</p>
      <p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
        sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br>
      </p>
      <p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
        sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Terry</p>
      <p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
        sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br>
      </p>
      <p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
        sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br>
      </p>
      <p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
        sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br>
      </p>
      <p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
        sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">On September 3, 2019 at
        6:26 PM "Glenn A. Merrell"
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote: <br>
        <br>
      </p>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <div class="ox-389afdd6e2-WordSection1">
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
              #1f497d;">Stag and TR7 heads are no longer an issue. </span></p>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
              #1f497d;">   </span></p>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
              #1f497d;">There are cylinder head tools available that
              lift off even the most corroded heads off a Stag or TR7
              engine in 30 minutes or less with no damage, actually
              taking more time to install and remove the tool than it
              takes to  lifting the head.  That is the first and last
              tool to use, all other methods are rendered obsolete and
              typically damage something else in the process. </span></p>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
              #1f497d;">Use of the tool is free excepting you pay round
              trip shipping of the tool and replace anything you lose or
              break on the tool. </span></p>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
              #1f497d;">Cheers! </span></p>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
              #1f497d;">   </span></p>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
              #1f497d;">Glenn Merrell  </span></p>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
              #1f497d;">aka StagByTriumph Garage (<em>now on FaceBook</em>)
            </span></p>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
              #1f497d;">Remember, “the BEST trophies are: Miles on the
              Odometer; Stone chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the
              windscreen … with the occasional smell of manure!” </span></p>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
              #1f497d;">   </span></p>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
              #1f497d;">   </span></p>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"
              class="mce-item-anchor" moz-do-not-send="true"></a><span
              style="color: #1f497d;">   </span></p>
          <div>
            <div style="border: none; border-top: solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;
              padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;">
              <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><strong><span
                    style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family:
                    'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></strong><span
                  style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family:
                  'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> Triumphs
                  [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <strong>On
                    Behalf Of </strong>Randall<br>
                  <strong>Sent:</strong> Tuesday, September 3, 2019
                  12:10 PM<br>
                  <strong>To:</strong> Paul Dorsey; Triumph list
                  Team.net<br>
                  <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TR] rope trick thingy </span></p>
            </div>
          </div>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"> </p>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal">The “rope trick” is for
            emergencies, when you just can’t get the head off any other
            way.  In that case, chances are good that the liners are so
            stuck they don’t need to be retained.  But also, IMO, if
            it’s that bad, it’s time to pull the liners anyway (in which
            case they don’t need to be retained either).</p>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"> </p>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal">I’ve taken apart some
            pretty sad TR3 motors, and never had to resort to the “rope
            trick”.  Getting the head off a Stag or TR7 can be a real
            challenge, but the TR3 has never been a problem for me.</p>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"> </p>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal">- Randall</p>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"> </p>
          <div style="border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;
            padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;">
            <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><strong>From: </strong><a
                href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true">Paul
                Dorsey</a><br>
              <strong>Sent: </strong>Monday, September 2, 2019 9:38 PM<br>
              <strong>To: </strong><a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                moz-do-not-send="true">Me</a>; <a
                href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                moz-do-not-send="true">Triumph list Team.net</a><br>
              <strong>Subject: </strong>[TR] rope trick thingy</p>
          </div>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"> </p>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal">Is the rope trick the thing
            where you put the rope in the cylinder down the spark  plug
            hole and then turn the engine so that the piston breaks the
            head gasket seal?  I thought someone said not to turn over
            the engine?</p>
          <p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"> </p>
        </div>
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