Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - This Seems Odd

From: Bob <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 11:10:26 -0400

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Guy,

I run HS6s on my TR4. They came off a 67 4A. I have zero trouble with 
them. Car idles fine and throttle response is similar to my 3, which has 
H6s and my 6 which has the Hitachi HS6 carbs. I think you may have a 
vacuum leak somewhere, manifold most likely or maybe a problem with the 
float valve? What fuel pump do you use? I have the Facet model on all 3 
running about 2PSI at the regulator.

But even with the mixture nut all the way up, there will still be fuel 
to the throttle body that is if you have the needle installed on the 
piston correctly.

Bob

On 9/6/19 10:34 AM, G.D. Huggins wrote:
> All,
>
> Here’s another thing to ponder whilst I wait for my rebuilt lever 
> shocks to arrive..
>
> My engine will idle under the following conditions:
>
>   * Idle screws are backed off all the way, not touching the plate,
>     therefore not opening the throttle plate.  (In theory, they are
>     fully closed.)
>   * Mixtures nuts all the way lean. (In theory, there should be ZERO
>     fuel going into the carbs.)
>   * Both the throttle and choke are loosened from the linkage, making
>     sure jets are all the way up, and throttles are not sticking
>
> For the record, these are professionally rebuilt HS6 carbs, with super 
> throttle shaft bushing, perfectly centered jets, etc.
>
> In what is ostensibly a ZERO fuel/air mixture, how is this engine running?
> Do these engines just have a magic power to idle when starved?
>
> Has anyone else witnessed this on their own cars?
> If so, should I do anything?  If so, what?  (other than maybe looking 
> to make sure the needles/jets are matched correctly)
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Guy D. Huggins
> 817.454.6415
>
>
>
>
>
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    <p>Guy,</p>
    <p>I run HS6s on my TR4. They came off a 67 4A. I have zero trouble
      with them. Car idles fine and throttle response is similar to my
      3, which has H6s and my 6 which has the Hitachi HS6 carbs. I think
      you may have a vacuum leak somewhere, manifold most likely or
      maybe a problem with the float valve? What fuel pump do you use? I
      have the Facet model on all 3 running about 2PSI at the regulator.</p>
    <p>But even with the mixture nut all the way up, there will still be
      fuel to the throttle body that is if you have the needle installed
      on the piston correctly.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Bob<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/6/19 10:34 AM, G.D. Huggins wrote:<br>
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      All,
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">Here’s another thing to ponder whilst I wait for my
        rebuilt lever shocks to arrive..</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">My engine will idle under the following conditions:</div>
      <div class="">
        <ul class="">
          <li class="">Idle screws are backed off all the way, not
            touching the plate, therefore not opening the throttle
            plate.  (In theory, they are fully closed.)</li>
          <li class="">Mixtures nuts all the way lean. (In theory, there
            should be ZERO fuel going into the carbs.)</li>
          <li class="">Both the throttle and choke are loosened from the
            linkage, making sure jets are all the way up, and throttles
            are not sticking</li>
        </ul>
      </div>
      <div class="">For the record, these are professionally rebuilt HS6
        carbs, with super throttle shaft bushing, perfectly centered
        jets, etc.</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">In what is ostensibly a ZERO fuel/air mixture, how
        is this engine running?</div>
      <div class="">Do these engines just have a magic power to idle
        when starved?</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">Has anyone else witnessed this on their own cars?</div>
      <div class="">If so, should I do anything?  If so, what?  (other
        than maybe looking to make sure the needles/jets are matched
        correctly)</div>
      <br class="">
      <br class="">
      <div class="">
        <div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
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            -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Kind Regards,<br class="">
            <br class="">
            Guy D. Huggins<br class="">
            <a href="mailto:[email-masked]" class=""
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Seems your rebuild isn't as perfect as you think=2E They rarely are=2E

But as long as you can achieve a reasonable adjustment, I don't see a reas=
on to worry about it=2E Carbs are never perfect anyway=2E

-- Randall

On 6 September 2019 09:34:48 GMT-05:00, "G=2ED=2E Huggins" <gdhuggins@genf=
initi=2Ecom> wrote:
>All,
>
>Here=E2=80=99s another thing to ponder whilst I wait for my rebuilt lever
>shocks to arrive=2E=2E
>
>Idle screws are backed off all the way, not touching the plate,
>therefore not opening the throttle plate=2E  (In theory, they are fully
>closed=2E)
>Mixtures nuts all the way lean=2E (In theory, there should be ZERO fuel
>going into the carbs=2E)
>Both the throttle and choke are loosened from the linkage, making sure
>jets are all the way up, and throttles are not sticking
>throttle shaft bushing, perfectly centered jets, etc=2E
>
>Guy D=2E Huggins
>gdhuggins@genfiniti=2Ecom
>817=2E454=2E6415

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pace; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Seems your rebuild isn't a=
s perfect as you think=2E They rarely are=2E<br><br>But as long as you can =
achieve a reasonable adjustment, I don't see a reason to worry about it=2E =
Carbs are never perfect anyway=2E<br><br>-- Randall<br><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote">On 6 September 2019 09:34:48 GMT-05:00, "G=2ED=2E Huggins" &lt;g=
dhuggins@genfiniti=2Ecom&gt; wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
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other thing to ponder whilst I wait for my rebuilt lever shocks to arrive=
=2E=2E</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">My engine =
will idle under the following conditions:</div><div class=3D""><ul class=3D=
""><li class=3D"">Idle screws are backed off all the way, not touching the =
plate, therefore not opening the throttle plate=2E &nbsp;(In theory, they a=
re fully closed=2E)</li><li class=3D"">Mixtures nuts all the way lean=2E (I=
n theory, there should be ZERO fuel going into the carbs=2E)</li><li class=
=3D"">Both the throttle and choke are loosened from the linkage, making sur=
e jets are all the way up, and throttles are not sticking</li></ul></div><d=
iv class=3D"">For the record, these are professionally rebuilt HS6 carbs, w=
ith super throttle shaft bushing, perfectly centered jets, etc=2E</div><div=
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RO fuel/air mixture, how is this engine running?</div><div class=3D"">Do th=
ese engines just have a magic power to idle when starved?</div><div class=
=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Has anyone else witnessed this o=
n their own cars?</div><div class=3D"">If so, should I do anything? &nbsp;I=
f so, what? &nbsp;(other than maybe looking to make sure the needles/jets a=
re matched correctly)</div><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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seconded (vac leak)

also manually (by hand) check and push up on the jet tubes 
underneath..not uncommon to stick open a bit

ptegler

On 9/6/2019 11:10 AM, Bob wrote:
> them. Car idles fine and throttle response is similar to my 3, which 
> has H6s and my 6 which has the Hitachi HS6 carbs. I think you may have 
> a vacuum leak somewhere, manifold most likely or maybe a problem with 
> the float valve? What fuel pump do you use? I have the Facet model on 
> all 3 running about 2PSI at the regulator.
>
>> Here???s another thing to ponder whilst I wait for my rebuilt lever 
>> shocks to arrive..
>>
>>     therefore not opening the throttle plate. ??(In theory, they are
>>     fully closed.)
>> For the record, these are professionally rebuilt HS6 carbs, with 
>> super throttle shaft bushing, perfectly centered jets, etc.
>>
>> If so, should I do anything? ??If so, what? ??(other than maybe looking 
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    <p>seconded (vac leak)</p>
    <p>also manually (by hand) check and push up on the jet tubes
      underneath..not uncommon to stick open a bit</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>ptegler<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/6/2019 11:10 AM, Bob wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      <p>Guy,</p>
      <p>I run HS6s on my TR4. They came off a 67 4A. I have zero
        trouble with them. Car idles fine and throttle response is
        similar to my 3, which has H6s and my 6 which has the Hitachi
        HS6 carbs. I think you may have a vacuum leak somewhere,
        manifold most likely or maybe a problem with the float valve?
        What fuel pump do you use? I have the Facet model on all 3
        running about 2PSI at the regulator.</p>
      <p>But even with the mixture nut all the way up, there will still
        be fuel to the throttle body that is if you have the needle
        installed on the piston correctly.<br>
      </p>
      <p>Bob<br>
      </p>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/6/19 10:34 AM, G.D. Huggins
        wrote:<br>
      </div>
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        cite="mid:[email-masked]">
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        All,
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">Here???s another thing to ponder whilst I wait for
          my rebuilt lever shocks to arrive..</div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">My engine will idle under the following
          conditions:</div>
        <div class="">
          <ul class="">
            <li class="">Idle screws are backed off all the way, not
              touching the plate, therefore not opening the throttle
              plate. ??(In theory, they are fully closed.)</li>
            <li class="">Mixtures nuts all the way lean. (In theory,
              there should be ZERO fuel going into the carbs.)</li>
            <li class="">Both the throttle and choke are loosened from
              the linkage, making sure jets are all the way up, and
              throttles are not sticking</li>
          </ul>
        </div>
        <div class="">For the record, these are professionally rebuilt
          HS6 carbs, with super throttle shaft bushing, perfectly
          centered jets, etc.</div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">In what is ostensibly a ZERO fuel/air mixture, how
          is this engine running?</div>
        <div class="">Do these engines just have a magic power to idle
          when starved?</div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">Has anyone else witnessed this on their own cars?</div>
        <div class="">If so, should I do anything? ??If so, what? ??(other
          than maybe looking to make sure the needles/jets are matched
          correctly)</div>
        <br class="">
        <br class="">
        <div class="">
          <div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
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              -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Kind Regards,<br class="">
              <br class="">
              Guy D. Huggins<br class="">
              <a href="mailto:[email-masked]" class=""
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                class="">
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FWIW, I fought an H6 carb issue all spring too.  Randall is right (huh, go =
figger).  I had the same thing, a professional rebuild.  In the end, I woun=
d up buying a carb rebuild kit and following a YouTube video.  Eazy Peezy (=
peasy?  peasey?)

Happily the throttle shafts were reamed correctly, so in the end, after my =
rebuild, the carbs run perfectly at very nearly the initial 12 flat setting=
 after testing and adjusting for mixture. =20

I don't know about your preference, but if my carbs are on a deep end of th=
e Bell Curve, with little adjustment left, my choice would be at a minimum =
to pull them apart to check if the float valve or needles are sticking.=20

Good luck!

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667

New Hampshire

> On September 6, 2019 at 11:39 AM Randall <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>     Seems your rebuild isn't as perfect as you think. They rarely are.
>=20
>     But as long as you can achieve a reasonable adjustment, I don't see a=
 reason to worry about it. Carbs are never perfect anyway.
>=20
>     -- Randall
>=20
>     On 6 September 2019 09:34:48 GMT-05:00, "G.D. Huggins" <gdhuggins@gen=
finiti.com> wrote:
>=20
>         > > All,
> >=20
> >         Here=E2=80=99s another thing to ponder whilst I wait for my reb=
uilt lever shocks to arrive..
> >=20
> >             * Idle screws are backed off all the way, not touching the =
plate, therefore not opening the throttle plate.  (In theory, they are full=
y closed.)
> >             * Mixtures nuts all the way lean. (In theory, there should =
be ZERO fuel going into the carbs.)
> >             * Both the throttle and choke are loosened from the linkage=
, making sure jets are all the way up, and throttles are not sticking
> >         For the record, these are professionally rebuilt HS6 carbs, wit=
h super throttle shaft bushing, perfectly centered jets, etc.
> >=20
> >         In what is ostensibly a ZERO fuel/air mixture, how is this engi=
ne running?
> >=20
> >         If so, should I do anything?  If so, what?  (other than maybe l=
ooking to make sure the needles/jets are matched correctly)
> >=20
> >=20
> >         Kind Regards,
> >=20
> >         Guy D. Huggins
> >         [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]
> >         817.454.6415
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ng too.&#160; Randall is right (huh, go figger).&#160; I had the same thing=
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d kit and following a YouTube video.&#160; Eazy Peezy (peasy?&#160; peasey?=
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b(51, 51, 51);">I don&#39;t know about your preference, but if my carbs are=
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, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt;=
 font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Terry =
Smith, &#39;59 TR3A&#160; TS 58667</p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fam=
ily: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">New Hampshire</=
p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On September 6, 2019 at 11:39 AM Randall &#60;t=
[email-masked]&#62; wrote: <br> <br>Seems your rebuild isn&#39;t as per=
fect as you think. They rarely are. <br> <br>But as long as you can achieve=
 a reasonable adjustment, I don&#39;t see a reason to worry about it. Carbs=
 are never perfect anyway. <br> <br>-- Randall <br> <br><div class=3D"ox-72=
f6de8245-gmail_quote">On 6 September 2019 09:34:48 GMT-05:00, &#34;G.D. Hug=
gins&#34; &#60;[email-masked]&#62; wrote:<blockquote>All,<div clas=
s=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Here&#8217;s another thing to p=
onder whilst I wait for my rebuilt lever shocks to arrive..</div><div class=
=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">My engine will idle under the fo=
llowing conditions:</div><div class=3D""><ul class=3D""><li class=3D"">Idle=
 screws are backed off all the way, not touching the plate, therefore not o=
pening the throttle plate. &#160;(In theory, they are fully closed.)</li><l=
i class=3D"">Mixtures nuts all the way lean. (In theory, there should be ZE=
RO fuel going into the carbs.)</li><li class=3D"">Both the throttle and cho=
ke are loosened from the linkage, making sure jets are all the way up, and =
throttles are not sticking</li></ul></div><div class=3D"">For the record, t=
hese are professionally rebuilt HS6 carbs, with super throttle shaft bushin=
g, perfectly centered jets, etc.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>=
<div class=3D"">In what is ostensibly a ZERO fuel/air mixture, how is this =
engine running?</div><div class=3D"">Do these engines just have a magic pow=
er to idle when starved?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div cla=
ss=3D"">Has anyone else witnessed this on their own cars?</div><div class=
=3D"">If so, should I do anything? &#160;If so, what? &#160;(other than may=
be looking to make sure the needles/jets are matched correctly)</div><br cl=
ass=3D""> <br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-wor=
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 class=3D""> <br class=3D"">Guy D. Huggins <br class=3D""> <a href=3D"mailt=
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From: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
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Lots of variables to consider:
-Butterflies may not be fully closing, lift the piston and shine a light in,=
 should be tight and even all around.  I presume you have solid butterflies?=

-positions on the stop levers May be a tad off, keeping the butterflies open=
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-Jet needle may be set in too high, you could drop them 1/16=E2=80=9D and se=
e what happens. =20
-A friend of mine was given the advice to run the jet barrel adjusting nut a=
ll the way up, then loosen the jet needle just a little so it will slide wit=
h a little pressure, then return the piston to the body and let the needle b=
ottom out in the jet barrel.  This should bring you to zero, tighten the nee=
dle in its new position and open the adjusting nut two turns to begin.   Has=
 anyone else tried this method?  I haven=E2=80=99t but it seems to make sens=
e.=20

Bill B

Sent from my IBM 8088

On Sep 6, 2019, at 9:34 AM, G.D. Huggins <[email-masked]> wrote:

All,

Here=E2=80=99s another thing to ponder whilst I wait for my rebuilt lever sh=
ocks to arrive..

My engine will idle under the following conditions:
Idle screws are backed off all the way, not touching the plate, therefore no=
t opening the throttle plate.  (In theory, they are fully closed.)
Mixtures nuts all the way lean. (In theory, there should be ZERO fuel going i=
nto the carbs.)
Both the throttle and choke are loosened from the linkage, making sure jets a=
re all the way up, and throttles are not sticking
For the record, these are professionally rebuilt HS6 carbs, with super throt=
tle shaft bushing, perfectly centered jets, etc.

Has anyone else witnessed this on their own cars?
If so, should I do anything?  If so, what?  (other than maybe looking to mak=
e sure the needles/jets are matched correctly)

Kind Regards,

Guy D. Huggins
[email-masked]
817.454.6415

ash.net

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Lots of variables to consider:<div>-Butterf=
lies may not be fully closing, lift the piston and shine a light in, should b=
e tight and even all around. &nbsp;I presume you have solid butterflies?</di=
v><div>-positions on the stop levers May be a tad off, keeping the butterfli=
es open&nbsp;</div><div>-Jet needle may be set in too high, you could drop t=
hem 1/16=E2=80=9D and see what happens. &nbsp;</div><div>-A friend of mine w=
as given the advice to run the jet barrel adjusting nut all the way up, then=
 loosen the jet needle just a little so it will slide with a little pressure=
, then return the piston to the body and let the needle bottom out in the je=
t barrel. &nbsp;This should bring you to zero, tighten the needle in its new=
 position and open the adjusting nut two turns to begin. &nbsp; Has anyone e=
lse tried this method? &nbsp;I haven=E2=80=99t but it seems to make sense.&n=
bsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Bill B<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" d=
ir=3D"ltr">Sent from my IBM 8088</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Sep 6, 2019, a=
t 9:34 AM, G.D. Huggins &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">gdhug=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><meta http-e=
quiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">All,<div class=3D=
""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Here=E2=80=99s another thing to pond=
er whilst I wait for my rebuilt lever shocks to arrive..</div><div class=3D"=
"><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">My engine will idle under the followi=
ng conditions:</div><div class=3D""><ul class=3D""><li class=3D"">Idle screw=
s are backed off all the way, not touching the plate, therefore not opening t=
he throttle plate. &nbsp;(In theory, they are fully closed.)</li><li class=3D=
"">Mixtures nuts all the way lean. (In theory, there should be ZERO fuel goi=
ng into the carbs.)</li><li class=3D"">Both the throttle and choke are loose=
ned from the linkage, making sure jets are all the way up, and throttles are=
 not sticking</li></ul></div><div class=3D"">For the record, these are profe=
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ntered jets, etc.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">=
In what is ostensibly a ZERO fuel/air mixture, how is this engine running?</=
div><div class=3D"">Do these engines just have a magic power to idle when st=
arved?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Has anyone e=
lse witnessed this on their own cars?</div><div class=3D"">If so, should I d=
o anything? &nbsp;If so, what? &nbsp;(other than maybe looking to make sure t=
he needles/jets are matched correctly)</div><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><d=
iv class=3D"">
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