Subject: Re: [TR] removing my head

From: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 11:20:56 -0500

Paul,
That sounds more like the instructions for engine removal, not just the head.  You pull straight up to remove the head so as not to bind on the studs.  
Bill B

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why does the online manual tend to  say the engine needs to be kinda tilting backwards?
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From: Tom Walling <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 20:04:31 -0400 (EDT)

I am amazed that this thread has gone this far without anyone mentioning "The Rope Trick"! 

Stuff a length of rope into one of the cylinders (one near the bottom of its rotation) until the cylinder is full of rope. Then use the starter motor to break the head gasket seal and lift the head off the block. No need for cranes, pulleys, explosives, or a Sky-hook. 

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From: James Henningsen <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 20:15:29 -0400

That’s my favorite.  Jim Henningsen 

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I am amazed that this thread has gone this far without anyone mentioning "T=
he Rope Trick"!=20

Stuff a length of rope into one of the cylinders (one near the bottom of it=
s rotation) until the cylinder is full of rope. Then use the starter motor =
to break the head gasket seal and lift the head off the block. No need for =
cranes, pulleys, explosives, or a Sky-hook.

I have often seen mention of removing a head off of the TR2 through the TR3=
B while using this "trick".=C2=A0 Wouldn't you risk breaking the figure of =
eight seal?=C2=A0

Lou MetelkoAuburn, Indiana

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<div dir="ltr">I am amazed that this thread has gone this far without anyone mentioning "The Rope Trick"! <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Stuff a length of rope into one of the cylinders (one near the bottom of its rotation) until the cylinder is full of rope. Then use the starter motor to break the head gasket seal and lift the head off the block. No need for cranes, pulleys, explosives, or a Sky-hook.</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">I have often seen mention of removing a head off of the TR2 through the TR3B while using this "trick".&nbsp; Wouldn't you risk breaking the figure of eight seal?&nbsp;<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>
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From: Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 20:30:29 -0400

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Your right, those were engine removing instructions.  Was I suppose to
remove the rocker arm first?  Do I need to remove the manifolds before
loosening the head?
If so, then I might have already screwed up.  With all eight head bolts
loosened will I possibly do any loosening of the piston sleeves by trying
to break the manifolds loose?  Without the manifolds off, I didn't get the
head out.  Oh well, always tomorrow.

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> Paul,
> That sounds more like the instructions for engine removal, not just the
> head.  You pull straight up to remove the head so as not to bind on the
> studs.
> Bill B
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Your right, those were engine removing instructions.=C2=A0=
 Was I suppose to remove the rocker arm first?=C2=A0 Do I need to remove th=
e manifolds before loosening the head?<div>If so, then I might have already=
 screwed up.=C2=A0 With all eight head bolts loosened will I possibly do an=
y loosening of the piston sleeves by trying to break the manifolds loose?=
=C2=A0 Without the manifolds off, I didn&#39;t get the head out.=C2=A0 Oh w=
ell, always tomorrow.</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"lt=
r" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 12:20 PM <a href=3D"mailto:W=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Paul,<br>
That sounds more like the instructions for engine removal, not just the hea=
d.=C2=A0 You pull straight up to remove the head so as not to bind on the s=
tuds.=C2=A0 <br>
Bill B<br>
<br>
Sent from my IBM 8088<br>
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From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 20:32:48 -0400

I think the concern was to minimize the possibility of the cylinder liners being dislodged.

Alex Thomson

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From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of James Henningsen
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2019 8:15 PM
To: Tom Walling
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Subject: Re: [TR] removing my head

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 I first loosened The manifold nuts, and then loosen the head nuts and that
was the end of the first day. Although these nuts have  been loosened  now,
 nothing has broken loose from its original tightness.  I tapped on the
intake manifold and then  freaked out  that it might break the cylinder
loose and I certainly don=E2=80=99t want to do that so I quit Tapping. I al=
so
wondered if I had to take the rocker  arm out first?  So far, nothing has
broken loose from its original locked  position.

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t>
wrote:

> I think the concern was to minimize the possibility of the cylinder liner=
s
> being dislodged.
> That=E2=80=99s my favorite.  Jim Henningsen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > I am amazed that this thread has gone this far without anyone mentionin=
g
> "The Rope Trick"!
> >
> > Stuff a length of rope into one of the cylinders (one near the bottom o=
f
> its rotation) until the cylinder is full of rope. Then use the starter
> motor to break the head gasket seal and lift the head off the block. No
> need for cranes, pulleys, explosives, or a Sky-hook.
> >
> >
> >> That sounds more like the instructions for engine removal, not just th=
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<div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0I first loosened The manifold nuts, and then l=
oosen the head nuts and that was the end of the first day. Although these n=
uts have =C2=A0been loosened =C2=A0now, =C2=A0nothing has broken loose from=
 its original tightness.=C2=A0 I tapped on the intake manifold and then =C2=
=A0freaked=C2=A0out =C2=A0that it might break the cylinder loose and I cert=
ainly don=E2=80=99t want to do that so I quit Tapping. I also wondered if I=
 had to take the rocker =C2=A0arm out first?=C2=A0 So far, nothing has brok=
en loose from its original locked =C2=A0position.=C2=A0</div></div><div><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, S=
ep 2, 2019 at 8:33 PM Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aljlth=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">I think the concern was to minimize the possibility =
of the cylinder liners being dislodged.<br>
<br>
Alex Thomson<br>
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Sent: Monday, September 02, 2019 8:15 PM<br>
To: Tom Walling<br>
Cc: Triumph list Team.net<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] removing my head<br>
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That=E2=80=99s my favorite.=C2=A0 Jim Henningsen <br>
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Sent from my iPhone<br>
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&gt; On Sep 2, 2019, at 8:04 PM, Tom Walling &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pdqtr6@c=
omcast.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I am amazed that this thread has gone this far without anyone mentioni=
ng &quot;The Rope Trick&quot;! <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Stuff a length of rope into one of the cylinders (one near the bottom =
of its rotation) until the cylinder is full of rope. Then use the starter m=
otor to break the head gasket seal and lift the head off the block. No need=
 for cranes, pulleys, explosives, or a Sky-hook. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
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&gt;&gt; Paul,<br>
&gt;&gt; That sounds more like the instructions for engine removal, not jus=
t the head.=C2=A0 You pull straight up to remove the head so as not to bind=
 on the studs.=C2=A0 <br>
&gt;&gt; Bill B<br>
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&gt;&gt; Sent from my IBM 8088<br>
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Paul,
If you have removed all eight intake/exhaust manifold nuts, along with disco=
nnecting the choke cable/fuel line/throttle linkage, you should be able to g=
ive it a good wiggle and pull it back out of the way.  Pick it up and set it=
 aside, leave the exhaust manifold just pulled back a little from the head. =
=20

Now, when I have all the stud nuts off I just use a very large screwdriver o=
r tyre tool between the water inlet at the front and the water pump to break=
 the seal and lift the head off.  If you don=E2=80=99t have all the rigging t=
o lift it that high, ask a friend to help.  Have never used the rope trick. =
=20
Bill=20

Sent from my IBM 8088

On Sep 2, 2019, at 7:54 PM, Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]> wrote:

 I first loosened The manifold nuts, and then loosen the head nuts and that w=
as the end of the first day. Although these nuts have  been loosened  now,  n=
othing has broken loose from its original tightness.  I tapped on the intake=
 manifold and then  freaked out  that it might break the cylinder loose and I=
 certainly don=E2=80=99t want to do that so I quit Tapping. I also wondered i=
f I had to take the rocker  arm out first?  So far, nothing has broken loose=
 from its original locked  position.=20

> On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 8:33 PM Alex & Janet Thomson <[email-masked]=
et> wrote:
> I think the concern was to minimize the possibility of the cylinder liners=
 being dislodged.
>=20
>=20
> From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of James=
 Henningsen
>=20
> That=E2=80=99s my favorite.  Jim Henningsen=20
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
> >=20
> > I am amazed that this thread has gone this far without anyone mentioning=
 "The Rope Trick"!=20
> >=20
> > Stuff a length of rope into one of the cylinders (one near the bottom of=
 its rotation) until the cylinder is full of rope. Then use the starter moto=
r to break the head gasket seal and lift the head off the block. No need for=
 cranes, pulleys, explosives, or a Sky-hook.=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >> On September 2, 2019 at 12:20 PM "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >> Paul,
> >> That sounds more like the instructions for engine removal, not just the=
 head.  You pull straight up to remove the head so as not to bind on the stu=
ds. =20
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >> why does the online manual tend to  say the engine needs to be kinda ti=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Paul,<div>If you have removed all eight int=
ake/exhaust manifold nuts, along with disconnecting the choke cable/fuel lin=
e/throttle linkage, you should be able to give it a good wiggle and pull it b=
ack out of the way. &nbsp;Pick it up and set it aside, leave the exhaust man=
ifold just pulled back a little from the head. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Now, when I have all the stud nuts off I just use a very large screwdrive=
r or tyre tool between the water inlet at the front and the water pump to br=
eak the seal and lift the head off. &nbsp;If you don=E2=80=99t have all the r=
igging to lift it that high, ask a friend to help. &nbsp;Have never used the=
 rope trick. &nbsp;</div><div>Bill&nbsp;<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignatur=
e" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my IBM 8088</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Sep 2, 201=
9, at 7:54 PM, Paul Dorsey &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">dorpaul=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"au=
to">&nbsp;I first loosened The manifold nuts, and then loosen the head nuts a=
nd that was the end of the first day. Although these nuts have &nbsp;been lo=
osened &nbsp;now, &nbsp;nothing has broken loose from its original tightness=
.&nbsp; I tapped on the intake manifold and then &nbsp;freaked&nbsp;out &nbs=
p;that it might break the cylinder loose and I certainly don=E2=80=99t want t=
o do that so I quit Tapping. I also wondered if I had to take the rocker &nb=
sp;arm out first?&nbsp; So far, nothing has broken loose from its original l=
ocked &nbsp;position.&nbsp;</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 8:33 PM Alex &am=
p; Janet Thomson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">aljlthomson@=
charter.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I think the c=
oncern was to minimize the possibility of the cylinder liners being dislodge=
d.<br>
<br>
Alex Thomson<br>
<br>
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Sent: Monday, September 02, 2019 8:15 PM<br>
To: Tom Walling<br>
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Subject: Re: [TR] removing my head<br>
<br>
That=E2=80=99s my favorite.&nbsp; Jim Henningsen <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
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&gt; On Sep 2, 2019, at 8:04 PM, Tom Walling &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pdqtr6@co=
mcast.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I am amazed that this thread has gone this far without anyone mentionin=
g "The Rope Trick"! <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Stuff a length of rope into one of the cylinders (one near the bottom o=
f its rotation) until the cylinder is full of rope. Then use the starter mot=
or to break the head gasket seal and lift the head off the block. No need fo=
r cranes, pulleys, explosives, or a Sky-hook. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; On September 2, 2019 at 12:20 PM "<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wbeech@flas=
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&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Paul,<br>
&gt;&gt; That sounds more like the instructions for engine removal, not just=
 the head.&nbsp; You pull straight up to remove the head so as not to bind o=
n the studs.&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; Bill B<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Sent from my IBM 8088<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
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&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; why does the online manual tend to&nbsp; say the engine needs to be=
 kinda tilting backwards?<br>
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From: "dave" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 20:44:10 -0500

+1 on the rope trick

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Tom Walling
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 7:05 PM
To: [email-masked]; Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]>
Cc: Triumph list Team.net <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] removing my head

I am amazed that this thread has gone this far without anyone mentioning
"The Rope Trick"! 

Stuff a length of rope into one of the cylinders (one near the bottom of its
rotation) until the cylinder is full of rope. Then use the starter motor to
break the head gasket seal and lift the head off the block. No need for
cranes, pulleys, explosives, or a Sky-hook. 

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 Be sure to remove the rocker assembly first.=C2=A0 You can bend a valve if=
 you do this with one open.
This, of course, is a moot point since the rocker assembly must come off to=
 access the head nuts.=C2=A0 Jus' sayin'.=20

I did one better.=C2=A0 I shoved rope into #1 and #6 to lift both ends simu=
ltaneously.=C2=A0 But this was a TR6 with no loose liners to worry about.
=20
Dave=20

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-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Walling <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]>
Cc: Triumph list Team.net <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Sep 2, 2019 7:04 pm
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<div> <font size="3">Be sure to remove the rocker assembly first.&nbsp; You can bend a valve if you do this with one open.</font></div>

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</font></div>

<div><font size="3">This, of course, is a moot point since the rocker assembly must come off to access the head nuts.&nbsp; Jus' sayin'. <br>
</font></div>

<div><font size="3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size="3">I did one better.&nbsp; I shoved rope into #1 and #6 to lift both ends simultaneously.&nbsp; But this was a TR6 with no loose liners to worry about.</font><br>
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<div style="clear:both"><font size="4">Dave </font><br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Tom Walling &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Paul Dorsey &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: Triumph list Team.net &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Mon, Sep 2, 2019 7:04 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] removing my head<br>
<br>

<div dir="ltr">I am amazed that this thread has gone this far without anyone mentioning "The Rope Trick"! <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Stuff a length of rope into one of the cylinders (one near the bottom of its rotation) until the cylinder is full of rope. Then use the starter motor to break the head gasket seal and lift the head off the block. No need for cranes, pulleys, explosives, or a Sky-hook. <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br>
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