Subject: Re: [TR] rope trick thingy

From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 19:15:47 +0000 (UTC)

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 The Stag and TR7 are problematic for a couple of reasons.=C2=A0 One is you=
 have an aluminum head on a cast iron block.=C2=A0 Another is that there ar=
e steel studs running though holes in the aluminum head and the reaction of=
 dis-similar metals can be ugly.=C2=A0 The third problem is that the studs =
don't all run parallel and the head does not just lift off of them as does =
the heads on earlier TR's.
The Triumph Wedge club has a loaner head puller designed for TR7's which ma=
y work on both sides on the Stag.=C2=A0=20

Furthermore, these engines have overhead cams and unless you remove the cam=
 before trying the Rope Trick Thingy you run the chance of bending a valve =
if it happens to be open at the time.=C2=A0=20

Another day of living the dream.
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
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From: Randall <[email-masked]>
To: Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]>; Triumph list Team. net <triumphs@auto=
x.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 3, 2019 1:10 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] rope trick thingy

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614WordSection1 {} #yiv8329242614 The =E2=80=9Crope trick=E2=80=9D is for e=
mergencies, when you just can=E2=80=99t get the head off any other way.=C2=
=A0 In that case, chances are good that the liners are so stuck they don=E2=
=80=99t need to be retained.=C2=A0 But also, IMO, if it=E2=80=99s that bad,=
 it=E2=80=99s time to pull the liners anyway (in which case they don=E2=80=
=99t need to be retained either). =C2=A0I=E2=80=99ve taken apart some prett=
y sad TR3 motors, and never had to resort to the =E2=80=9Crope trick=E2=80=
=9D. =C2=A0Getting the head off a Stag or TR7 can be a real challenge, but =
the TR3 has never been a problem for me. =C2=A0- Randall =C2=A0From: Paul D=
orsey
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 9:38 PM
To: Me; Triumph list Team.net
Subject: [TR] rope trick thingy =C2=A0Is the rope trick the thing where you=
 put the rope in the cylinder down the spark=C2=A0 plug hole and then turn =
the engine so that the piston breaks the head gasket seal?=C2=A0 I thought =
someone said not to turn over the engine? =C2=A0** [email-masked] =
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<div> <font size=3D"3">The Stag and TR7 are problematic for a couple of rea=
sons.&nbsp; One is you have an aluminum head on a cast iron block.&nbsp; An=
other is that there are steel studs running though holes in the aluminum he=
ad and the reaction of dis-similar metals can be ugly.&nbsp; The third prob=
lem is that the studs don't all run parallel and the head does not just lif=
t off of them as does the heads on earlier TR's.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">The Triumph Wedge club has a loaner head puller desig=
ned for TR7's which may work on both sides on the Stag.&nbsp; <br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Furthermore, these engines have overhead cams and unl=
ess you remove the cam before trying the Rope Trick Thingy you run the chan=
ce of bending a valve if it happens to be open at the time.&nbsp; <br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Another day of living the dream.</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>

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From: Randall &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Paul Dorsey &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Triumph list Team. net &lt;triu=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Tue, Sep 3, 2019 1:10 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] rope trick thingy<br>
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<div class=3D"yiv8329242614MsoNormal">The =E2=80=9Crope trick=E2=80=9D is f=
or emergencies, when you just can=E2=80=99t get the head off any other way.=
&nbsp; In that case, chances are good that the liners are so stuck they don=
=E2=80=99t need to be retained.&nbsp; But also, IMO, if it=E2=80=99s that b=
ad, it=E2=80=99s time to pull the liners anyway (in which case they don=E2=
=80=99t need to be retained either).</div>

<div class=3D"yiv8329242614MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv8329242614MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99ve taken apart some pretty =
sad TR3 motors, and never had to resort to the =E2=80=9Crope trick=E2=80=9D=
. &nbsp;Getting the head off a Stag or TR7 can be a real challenge, but the=
 TR3 has never been a problem for me.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv8329242614MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv8329242614MsoNormal">- Randall</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv8329242614MsoNormal">Is the rope trick the thing where you=
 put the rope in the cylinder down the spark&nbsp; plug hole and then turn =
the engine so that the piston breaks the head gasket seal?&nbsp; I thought =
someone said not to turn over the engine?</div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv8329242614MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
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From: Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 18:05:17 -0400

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Since I have loosened both manifolds and head nuts can I now tap on the
Manifold with a cold chisel but do so in a gentle manner so that they=E2=80=
=99ll
come off the block?  Paul

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 3:15 PM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote:

> The Stag and TR7 are problematic for a couple of reasons.  One is you hav=
e
> an aluminum head on a cast iron block.  Another is that there are steel
> studs running though holes in the aluminum head and the reaction of
> dis-similar metals can be ugly.  The third problem is that the studs don'=
t
> all run parallel and the head does not just lift off of them as does the
> heads on earlier TR's.
>
> The Triumph Wedge club has a loaner head puller designed for TR7's which
> may work on both sides on the Stag.
>
> Furthermore, these engines have overhead cams and unless you remove the
> cam before trying the Rope Trick Thingy you run the chance of bending a
> valve if it happens to be open at the time.
>
> Dave
> To: Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]>; Triumph list Team. net <
> [email-masked]>
> The =E2=80=9Crope trick=E2=80=9D is for emergencies, when you just can=E2=
=80=99t get the head off
> any other way.  In that case, chances are good that the liners are so stu=
ck
> they don=E2=80=99t need to be retained.  But also, IMO, if it=E2=80=99s t=
hat bad, it=E2=80=99s time
> to pull the liners anyway (in which case they don=E2=80=99t need to be re=
tained
> either).
>
> I=E2=80=99ve taken apart some pretty sad TR3 motors, and never had to res=
ort to
> the =E2=80=9Crope trick=E2=80=9D.  Getting the head off a Stag or TR7 can=
 be a real
> challenge, but the TR3 has never been a problem for me.
>
> - Randall
>
> *From: *Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]>
> *Sent: *Monday, September 2, 2019 9:38 PM
> *To: *Me <[email-masked]>; Triumph list Team.net
> <[email-masked]>
> *Subject: *[TR] rope trick thingy
>
> Is the rope trick the thing where you put the rope in the cylinder down
> the spark  plug hole and then turn the engine so that the piston breaks t=
he
> head gasket seal?  I thought someone said not to turn over the engine?
>
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<div><p class=3D"p1" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 3px;font-stretch:normal;font-s=
ize:26px;line-height:normal;font-family:&quot;.SF UI Display&quot;;color:rg=
b(69,69,69)"><span class=3D"s1" style=3D"font-family:&quot;.SFUIDisplay-Bla=
ck&quot;;font-weight:bold;font-size:26pt">Since I have loosened both manifo=
lds and head nuts can I now tap on the Manifold with a cold chisel but do s=
o in a gentle manner so that they=E2=80=99ll come off the block?=C2=A0 Paul=
=C2=A0</span></p></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 3:15 PM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<div> <font size=3D"3">The Stag and TR7 are problematic for a couple of rea=
sons.=C2=A0 One is you have an aluminum head on a cast iron block.=C2=A0 An=
other is that there are steel studs running though holes in the aluminum he=
ad and the reaction of dis-similar metals can be ugly.=C2=A0 The third prob=
lem is that the studs don&#39;t all run parallel and the head does not just=
 lift off of them as does the heads on earlier TR&#39;s.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">The Triumph Wedge club has a loaner head puller desig=
ned for TR7&#39;s which may work on both sides on the Stag.=C2=A0 <br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Furthermore, these engines have overhead cams and unl=
ess you remove the cam before trying the Rope Trick Thingy you run the chan=
ce of bending a valve if it happens to be open at the time.=C2=A0 <br>
</font></div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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Original Message-----<br>
From: Randall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
To: Paul Dorsey &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Triumph list Team. net &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:t=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r>
Sent: Tue, Sep 3, 2019 1:10 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] rope trick thingy<br>
<br>

<div id=3D"m_6301901507367272828yiv8329242614">
<div>
<div class=3D"m_6301901507367272828yiv8329242614WordSection1">
<div class=3D"m_6301901507367272828yiv8329242614MsoNormal">The =E2=80=9Crop=
e trick=E2=80=9D is for emergencies, when you just can=E2=80=99t get the he=
ad off any other way.=C2=A0 In that case, chances are good that the liners =
are so stuck they don=E2=80=99t need to be retained.=C2=A0 But also, IMO, i=
f it=E2=80=99s that bad, it=E2=80=99s time to pull the liners anyway (in wh=
ich case they don=E2=80=99t need to be retained either).</div>

<div class=3D"m_6301901507367272828yiv8329242614MsoNormal"> =C2=A0</div>

<div class=3D"m_6301901507367272828yiv8329242614MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99ve tak=
en apart some pretty sad TR3 motors, and never had to resort to the =E2=80=
=9Crope trick=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 Getting the head off a Stag or TR7 can be a r=
eal challenge, but the TR3 has never been a problem for me.</div>

<div class=3D"m_6301901507367272828yiv8329242614MsoNormal"> =C2=A0</div>

<div class=3D"m_6301901507367272828yiv8329242614MsoNormal">- Randall</div>

<div class=3D"m_6301901507367272828yiv8329242614MsoNormal"> =C2=A0</div>

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none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect=
" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Paul Dorsey</a><br c=
lear=3D"none"><b>Sent: </b>Monday, September 2, 2019 9:38 PM<br clear=3D"no=
ne"><b>To: </b><a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Me</a>; <a rel=3D"noopener noreferre=
r" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
>Triumph list Team.net</a><br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject: </b>[TR] rope tric=
k thingy</div>
</div>

<div class=3D"m_6301901507367272828yiv8329242614MsoNormal"> =C2=A0</div>

<div class=3D"m_6301901507367272828yiv8329242614MsoNormal">Is the rope tric=
k the thing where you put the rope in the cylinder down the spark=C2=A0 plu=
g hole and then turn the engine so that the piston breaks the head gasket s=
eal?=C2=A0 I thought someone said not to turn over the engine?</div>
</div>

<div class=3D"m_6301901507367272828yiv8329242614MsoNormal"> =C2=A0</div>
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