Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps

From: Randall <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:43:23 -0500

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ss=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>FWIW, the replacement pump I got fro=
m TRF fit perfectly.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>One thing to watch for, though, the pulley needs to be a very =
snug fit on the shaft.=C2=A0 If your old pulley will go on with just your f=
ingers, you should either replace it, or you can try one of the Loctite =E2=
=80=9Cretaining compounds=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve had good luck with R=
C609, but they make one that Is thicker and fills larger spaces.</p><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>But the new pulley =
from TRF also fit as it should, no Loctite needed.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>-- Randall</p><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div style=3D'mso-element:para-border-div;border:non=
e;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal style=3D'border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:thom=
[email-masked]">Brian Thomas</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, August 15, 2019 =
9:48 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">list Trium=
ph</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Brad Smith (br=
[email-masked])</a><br><b>Subject: </b>[TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps</p></di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=
=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>Currently doin=
g a frame up on our early TR2, I decided to replace the water pump which al=
though working and not leaking wasn=E2=80=99t as smooth turning as it shoul=
d be. &nbsp;&nbsp;The original pump (with grease fitting) had been replaced=
 prior to my ownership with a Quinten-Hazel (QH) version &nbsp;which appear=
s to be dated 1978.&nbsp; I believe the pulley present is original or at le=
ast original style.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3D=
EN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Co=
mic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>My problem is the Lucas-boxed 4 vane pump I ord=
ered as a replacement has sizing issues.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";colo=
r:#0070C0'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN=
-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>The mounting flange=
 is 1/16=E2=80=9D thicker than the QH pump.&nbsp; The consequence of this i=
s the nuts do not tighten fully over the studs leaving I suspect about a 1/=
16=E2=80=9D depression.&nbsp; The second problem is with the nyloc nut that=
 holds the pulley on.&nbsp; This nut is about twice the diameter of the ori=
ginals and so thick it doesn=E2=80=99t come close to engaging the nyloc fea=
ture.&nbsp; The washer supplied is also very thick and replacement with a t=
hinner version might help but not enough.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DM=
soNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#007=
0C0'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA st=
yle=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>Anyone else experienced t=
his?&nbsp; Solutions?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=
=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:=
"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>Comments appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"=
;color:#0070C0'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=
=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>Cheers,<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family=
:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0=
'>Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-CA sty=
le=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#C0504D'>_____________________________________=
__________________________________</span></b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'fo=
nt-size:12.0pt;color:#0070C0'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#0070C0'>&nbsp;&nbsp; Bria=
n Thomas&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp; </span><b><i><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:gray'>=
E-mail:</span></i></b><b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color=
:#0070C0'>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.=
0pt;color:#0070C0'><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D=
'font-size:12.0pt;color:#0070C0'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;92 Wyona Lane&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><b><i><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:gray'>Phone:</span></i></b><b><span lang=3D=
EN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#0070C0'>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></b><spa=
n lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#0070C0'>613-385-1947<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:1=
2.0pt;color:#0070C0'>&nbsp;&nbsp; Wolfe Island,&nbsp; Ontario &nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </s=
pan><b><i><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:gray'>Toys:</s=
pan></i></b><b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#0070C0'>=
&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:=
#0070C0'>54 TR2,&nbsp; 56 TR3,&nbsp; 67 TR4A,&nbsp; 01 XKR,&nbsp; <o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.=
0pt;color:#0070C0'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;CANADA&nbsp;&nbsp; K0H 2Y0&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 75 John Deere 920<o:p></o:p></span></p><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";col=
or:#0070C0'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DE=
N-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:=
"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></body></html>=

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From: Brian Thomas <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:31:21 +0000

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From: TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:01:53 -0400 (EDT)

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Just curious.  Is it possible the previous owner put in shorter studs than =
stock????

> On August 15, 2019 at 3:43 PM Randall <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>     FWIW, the replacement pump I got from TRF fit perfectly.
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     One thing to watch for, though, the pulley needs to be a very snug fi=
t on the shaft.  If your old pulley will go on with just your fingers, you =
should either replace it, or you can try one of the Loctite =E2=80=9Cretain=
ing compounds=E2=80=9D.  I=E2=80=99ve had good luck with RC609, but they ma=
ke one that Is thicker and fills larger spaces.
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     But the new pulley from TRF also fit as it should, no Loctite needed.
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     -- Randall
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     From: Brian Thomas mailto:[email-masked]
>     Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:48 AM
>     To: list Triumph mailto:[email-masked]
>     Cc: Brad Smith ([email-masked]) mailto:[email-masked]
>     Subject: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     Currently doing a frame up on our early TR2, I decided to replace the=
 water pump which although working and not leaking wasn=E2=80=99t as smooth=
 turning as it should be.   The original pump (with grease fitting) had bee=
n replaced prior to my ownership with a Quinten-Hazel (QH) version  which a=
ppears to be dated 1978.  I believe the pulley present is original or at le=
ast original style.
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     My problem is the Lucas-boxed 4 vane pump I ordered as a replacement =
has sizing issues.=20
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     The mounting flange is 1/16=E2=80=9D thicker than the QH pump.  The c=
onsequence of this is the nuts do not tighten fully over the studs leaving =
I suspect about a 1/16=E2=80=9D depression.  The second problem is with the=
 nyloc nut that holds the pulley on.  This nut is about twice the diameter =
of the originals and so thick it doesn=E2=80=99t come close to engaging the=
 nyloc feature.  The washer supplied is also very thick and replacement wit=
h a thinner version might help but not enough.
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     Anyone else experienced this?  Solutions?
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     Comments appreciated.
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     Cheers,
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     Brian
>=20
>     _____________________________________________________________________=
__
>=20
>        Brian Thomas                           E-mail:   [email-masked]=
a mailto:[email-masked]
>=20
>        92 Wyona Lane                        Phone:   613-385-1947
>=20
>        Wolfe Island,  Ontario                Toys:   54 TR2,  56 TR3,  67=
 TR4A,  01 XKR,=20
>=20
>        CANADA   K0H 2Y0                                 75 John Deere 920
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     =20
>=20

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</head><body><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sa=
ns-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Just curious.&#160; Is it possible the p=
revious owner put in shorter studs than stock????</p><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te">On August 15, 2019 at 3:43 PM Randall &#60;[email-masked]&#62; wro=
te: <br> <br><div class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-WordSection1"><p class=3D"ox-7f98b=
c516a-MsoNormal">FWIW, the replacement pump I got from TRF fit perfectly.</=
p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-=
MsoNormal">One thing to watch for, though, the pulley needs to be a very sn=
ug fit on the shaft.&#160; If your old pulley will go on with just your fin=
gers, you should either replace it, or you can try one of the Loctite &#822=
0;retaining compounds&#8221;.&#160; I&#8217;ve had good luck with RC609, bu=
t they make one that Is thicker and fills larger spaces.</p><p class=3D"ox-=
7f98bc516a-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal">But th=
e new pulley from TRF also fit as it should, no Loctite needed.</p><p class=
=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"=
>-- Randall</p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><div style=3D=
"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;=
"><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal" style=3D"border: none; padding: 0in;=
"><strong>From: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Brian Thomas=
</a><br><strong>Sent: </strong>Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:48 AM<br><strong=
>To: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">list Triumph</a><b=
r><strong>Cc: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Brad Smith (=
[email-masked])</a><br><strong>Subject: </strong>[TR] TR2/3/4 Water P=
umps</p></div><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox=
-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: =
#0070c0;">Currently doing a frame up on our early TR2, I decided to replace=
 the water pump which although working and not leaking wasn&#8217;t as smoo=
th turning as it should be. &#160;&#160;The original pump (with grease fitt=
ing) had been replaced prior to my ownership with a Quinten-Hazel (QH) vers=
ion &#160;which appears to be dated 1978.&#160; I believe the pulley presen=
t is original or at least original style. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc5=
16a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #0070c0;=
"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #0070c0;">My problem is the Lucas-boxed =
4 vane pump I ordered as a replacement has sizing issues.&#160; </span></p>=
<p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic San=
s MS'; color: #0070c0;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #0070c0;">The moun=
ting flange is 1/16&#8221; thicker than the QH pump.&#160; The consequence =
of this is the nuts do not tighten fully over the studs leaving I suspect a=
bout a 1/16&#8221; depression.&#160; The second problem is with the nyloc n=
ut that holds the pulley on.&#160; This nut is about twice the diameter of =
the originals and so thick it doesn&#8217;t come close to engaging the nylo=
c feature.&#160; The washer supplied is also very thick and replacement wit=
h a thinner version might help but not enough. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7f=
98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #00=
70c0;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #0070c0;">Anyone else experienced =
this?&#160; Solutions? </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #0070c0;"> &#160; </span></=
p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic S=
ans MS'; color: #0070c0;">Comments appreciated. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7=
f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #0=
070c0;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #0070c0;">Cheers, </span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'=
; color: #0070c0;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #0070c0;">Brian </span>=
</p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt; color: #c0504d;">__________________________________________________=
_____________________</span></strong></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: #0070c0;">&#160;&#160; Brian Th=
omas&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160=
;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; &#160; &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;=
 </span><strong><em><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: gray;">E-mail:=
</span></em></strong><strong><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: #0070=
c0;">&#160;&#160; </span></strong><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: =
#0070c0;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> </sp=
an></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0p=
t; color: #0070c0;">&#160;&#160;&#160;92 Wyona Lane&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;=
&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; &#160; &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&=
#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; </span><strong><em><span style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt; color: gray;">Phone:</span></em></strong><strong><span style=3D"fon=
t-size: 12.0pt; color: #0070c0;">&#160;&#160; </span></strong><span style=
=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: #0070c0;">613-385-1947 </span></p><p class=3D=
"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: #0070c0;=
">&#160;&#160; Wolfe Island,&#160; Ontario &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#=
160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; </span><strong><em><sp=
an style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: gray;">Toys:</span></em></strong><str=
ong><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: #0070c0;">&#160;&#160; </span>=
</strong><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: #0070c0;">54 TR2,&#160; 5=
6 TR3,&#160; 67 TR4A,&#160; 01 XKR,&#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc5=
16a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: #0070c0;">&#160;&#1=
60;&#160;CANADA&#160;&#160; K0H 2Y0&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#16=
0;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&=
#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#16=
0; 75 John Deere 920 </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #0070c0;"> &#160; </span></p>=
<p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic San=
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mal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif=
;"> &#160; </span></p></div></blockquote><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-=
family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" class=3D"default-style=
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From: Randall <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 22:05:34 -0500

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Nope, not in a green Lucas box; flange and nut were original size.

Longer studs might not be a good solution either; the ends of the studs are=
 pretty close to the pulley edge.  Even with the original studs, there isn=
=E2=80=99t room to get the nuts between the stud ends and the pulley, until=
 you pull the pump out a bit from it=E2=80=99s installed position.

From: Brian Thomas
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 3:31 PM
To: Randall; list Triumph
Cc: Brad Smith ([email-masked])
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps

Hi Randall,

My pump also was from TRF =E2=80=93 was yours also in a green Lucas box?=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0I appreciate buying a new pulley will likely solve the one proble=
m but not the additional thickness of the mounting flange which could be so=
lved with longer studs.=C2=A0 I take it you did not have this problem?

Cheers,

Brian

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Randal=
l
Sent: August 15, 2019 3:43 PM
To: list Triumph
Cc: Brad Smith ([email-masked])
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps

One thing to watch for, though, the pulley needs to be a very snug fit on t=
he shaft.=C2=A0 If your old pulley will go on with just your fingers, you s=
hould either replace it, or you can try one of the Loctite =E2=80=9Cretaini=
ng compounds=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve had good luck with RC609, but the=
y make one that Is thicker and fills larger spaces.

-- Randall

From: Brian Thomas
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:48 AM
To: list Triumph
Cc: Brad Smith ([email-masked])
Subject: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps

Currently doing a frame up on our early TR2, I decided to replace the water=
 pump which although working and not leaking wasn=E2=80=99t as smooth turni=
ng as it should be. =C2=A0=C2=A0The original pump (with grease fitting) had=
 been replaced prior to my ownership with a Quinten-Hazel (QH) version =C2=
=A0which appears to be dated 1978.=C2=A0 I believe the pulley present is or=
iginal or at least original style.

My problem is the Lucas-boxed 4 vane pump I ordered as a replacement has si=
zing issues.=C2=A0=20

The mounting flange is 1/16=E2=80=9D thicker than the QH pump.=C2=A0 The co=
nsequence of this is the nuts do not tighten fully over the studs leaving I=
 suspect about a 1/16=E2=80=9D depression.=C2=A0 The second problem is with=
 the nyloc nut that holds the pulley on.=C2=A0 This nut is about twice the =
diameter of the originals and so thick it doesn=E2=80=99t come close to eng=
aging the nyloc feature.=C2=A0 The washer supplied is also very thick and r=
eplacement with a thinner version might help but not enough.

Anyone else experienced this?=C2=A0 Solutions?

Comments appreciated.

Cheers,

Brian
_______________________________________________________________________
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=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
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ss=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Nope, not in a green Lucas box; flan=
ge and nut were original size.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal>Longer studs might not be a good solution either; the=
 ends of the studs are pretty close to the pulley edge.=C2=A0 Even with the=
 original studs, there isn=E2=80=99t room to get the nuts between the stud =
ends and the pulley, until you pull the pump out a bit from it=E2=80=99s in=
stalled position.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DM=
soNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div style=3D'mso-element:para-border-div;bor=
der:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]">Brian Thomas</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, August 15=
, 2019 3:31 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Randall=
</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">list Triumph</a><br><b>Cc:=
 </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Brad Smith ([email-masked]=
om)</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps</p></div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA s=
tyle=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>Hi Randall,<o:p></o:p></=
span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comi=
c Sans MS";color:#0070C0'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>My p=
ump also was from TRF =E2=80=93 was yours also in a green Lucas box?&nbsp; =
&nbsp;I appreciate buying a new pulley will likely solve the one problem bu=
t not the additional thickness of the mounting flange which could be solved=
 with longer studs.&nbsp; I take it you did not have this problem?<o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"=
Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>=
Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=
=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS=
";color:#0070C0'>Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=
=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt=
;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-=
[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall<br><b>Sent:</b> August =
15, 2019 3:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> list Triumph<br><b>Cc:</b> Brad Smith (brits=
[email-masked])<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>FWIW, the replacement pump I got from =
TRF fit perfectly.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal>One thing to watch for, though, the pulley needs to be=
 a very snug fit on the shaft.&nbsp; If your old pulley will go on with jus=
t your fingers, you should either replace it, or you can try one of the Loc=
tite =E2=80=9Cretaining compounds=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve had good luc=
k with RC609, but they make one that Is thicker and fills larger spaces.<o:=
p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
But the new pulley from TRF also fit as it should, no Loctite needed.<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>-- =
Randall<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div style=
=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Bria=
n Thomas</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:48 AM<br><b>To: </=
b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">list Triumph</a><br><b>Cc: </b=
><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Brad Smith ([email-masked])<=
/a><br><b>Subject: </b>[TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps<o:p></o:p></p></div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>Currently doing a frame=
 up on our early TR2, I decided to replace the water pump which although wo=
rking and not leaking wasn=E2=80=99t as smooth turning as it should be. &nb=
sp;&nbsp;The original pump (with grease fitting) had been replaced prior to=
 my ownership with a Quinten-Hazel (QH) version &nbsp;which appears to be d=
ated 1978.&nbsp; I believe the pulley present is original or at least origi=
nal style.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA sty=
le=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#0070C0'>My problem is the Lucas-boxed 4 vane pump I ordered as a=
 replacement has sizing issues.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0=
'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=
=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>The mounting flange is 1/16=
=E2=80=9D thicker than the QH pump.&nbsp; The consequence of this is the nu=
ts do not tighten fully over the studs leaving I suspect about a 1/16=E2=80=
=9D depression.&nbsp; The second problem is with the nyloc nut that holds t=
he pulley on.&nbsp; This nut is about twice the diameter of the originals a=
nd so thick it doesn=E2=80=99t come close to engaging the nyloc feature.&nb=
sp; The washer supplied is also very thick and replacement with a thinner v=
ersion might help but not enough.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'f=
ont-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>Anyone else experienced this?&nbs=
p; Solutions?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sa=
ns MS";color:#0070C0'>Comments appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:=
#0070C0'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-C=
A style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic=
 Sans MS";color:#0070C0'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>Brian=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'f=
ont-size:12.0pt;color:#C0504D'>____________________________________________=
___________________________</span></b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;color:#0070C0'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lan=
g=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#0070C0'>&nbsp;&nbsp; Brian Thoma=
s&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </=
span><b><i><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:gray'>E-mail:=
</span></i></b><b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#0070C=
0'>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;col=
or:#0070C0'><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> <o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-s=
ize:12.0pt;color:#0070C0'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;92 Wyona Lane&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><b><i><span lang=3DEN-CA style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:gray'>Phone:</span></i></b><b><span lang=3DEN-CA=
 style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#0070C0'>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></b><span lan=
g=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#0070C0'>613-385-1947<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt=
;color:#0070C0'>&nbsp;&nbsp; Wolfe Island,&nbsp; Ontario &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><=
b><i><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:gray'>Toys:</span><=
/i></b><b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#0070C0'>&nbsp=
;&nbsp; </span></b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#0070=
C0'>54 TR2,&nbsp; 56 TR3,&nbsp; 67 TR4A,&nbsp; 01 XKR,&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;c=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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