Subject: Re: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles

From: Randall <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 19:24:38 -0500

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Quick and dirty test : Remove the wire from the sender, turn the key on, an=
d ground the wire while watching the gauge.  If the gauge starts to climb t=
owards full, then the gauge & wiring to it are probably OK.  Probably best =
to not leave it this way for long, but a few minutes won=E2=80=99t hurt.

My next suspect (especially since it worked before restoration) would be th=
e grounding for the sender.  IIRC the TR4 grounds the same as TR3, meaning =
not very well.  I like to add a ground wire from the stud on the sender to =
one of the tank mounting bolts.

Use an ohmmeter to check the sender.  I don=E2=80=99t recall the exact numb=
ers offhand, but it=E2=80=99s something like 100 ohms empty and 10 ohms ful=
l.  If it seems to work backwards (low resistance empty and high resistance=
 full), you=E2=80=99ve got a TR3 sender instead of TR4.

Also worth checking the temp gauge if the first test above doesn=E2=80=99t =
work.  Do the same thing, pull the wire off the sender and ground it.  If t=
emp gauge doesn=E2=80=99t respond either, it=E2=80=99s probably the voltage=
 stabilizer.  Seems like maybe it=E2=80=99s mounted over in the passenger f=
ootwell on a TR4, but honestly I don=E2=80=99t recall for sure.

-- Randall

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Jim Henningsen
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 6:54 PM
To: 'Triumphs'
Subject: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles

Help, I'm calling the TR bat phone again.  Switching projects to get my car
ready for AACC southeastern fall nationals on Mobile AL.  1962 TR4 CT5212LO=
.
Fuel gauge worked prior to restoration but not after.  Car is switched to
neg ground.  Orig fuel sender float was sunk in tank.  Removed it and
verified there is gas in it.  Hoping there is a way to rebuild it since ori=
g
part.  Put in a new sending unit from TRF this morning and added 7 gallons
of gas and it still doesn't work but float rises.  The needle moved ever so
slightly right above E then dropped back down with ignition on.  I even use=
d
a coat hanger to manually raise the float in the gas tank to "full" with
ignition on but needle still didn't work.  Ignition in "On" position, but
not running. =20

My thoughts.
1. Bad gauge?
2. Wires reversed on fuel gauge from resto impacting since it is neg not
original positive ground.  Running generator that has been polarized to neg
ground. =20
3. connections at new sending unit not secure. Neg is to ground and positiv=
e
to pos on sending unit
4. new sender bad

Any thoughts on the possible easy fix before going through the list
tomorrow.  Also, if anyone is looking for a nice 73 Stag with hardtop,
manual tran, that has been owned by a TR owner of 60+ tyears and avid VTR
member, it is for sale in Tally.  I am trying to help the family find a hom=
e
for it.  Email me offline if you would like pics and contact info.

Many thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
60 TR3A
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6

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ss=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Quick and dirty test : Remove the wi=
re from the sender, turn the key on, and ground the wire while watching the=
 gauge.=C2=A0 If the gauge starts to climb towards full, then the gauge &am=
p; wiring to it are probably OK.=C2=A0 Probably best to not leave it this w=
ay for long, but a few minutes won=E2=80=99t hurt.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>My next suspect (especially since=
 it worked before restoration) would be the grounding for the sender.=C2=A0=
 IIRC the TR4 grounds the same as TR3, meaning not very well.=C2=A0 I like =
to add a ground wire from the stud on the sender to one of the tank mountin=
g bolts.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
Use an ohmmeter to check the sender.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t recall the exact=
 numbers offhand, but it=E2=80=99s something like 100 ohms empty and 10 ohm=
s full.=C2=A0 If it seems to work backwards (low resistance empty and high =
resistance full), you=E2=80=99ve got a TR3 sender instead of TR4.</p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Also worth checkin=
g the temp gauge if the first test above doesn=E2=80=99t work.=C2=A0 Do the=
 same thing, pull the wire off the sender and ground it.=C2=A0 If temp gaug=
e doesn=E2=80=99t respond either, it=E2=80=99s probably the voltage stabili=
zer.=C2=A0 Seems like maybe it=E2=80=99s mounted over in the passenger foot=
well on a TR4, but honestly I don=E2=80=99t recall for sure.</p><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>-- Randall</p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from <a href=3D=
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n 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b>=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Jim Henningsen</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Sat=
urday, August 17, 2019 6:54 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@aut=
ox.team.net">'Triumphs'</a><br><b>Subject: </b>[TR] Fuel gauge troubles</p>=
</div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Help, =
I'm calling the TR bat phone again.=C2=A0 Switching projects to get my car<=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal>ready for AACC southeastern fall nationals on Mobil=
e AL.=C2=A0 1962 TR4 CT5212LO.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Fuel gauge worked pr=
ior to restoration but not after.=C2=A0 Car is switched to</p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal>neg ground.=C2=A0 Orig fuel sender float was sunk in tank.=C2=A0 Re=
moved it and</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>verified there is gas in it.=C2=A0 Hop=
ing there is a way to rebuild it since orig</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>part.=
=C2=A0 Put in a new sending unit from TRF this morning and added 7 gallons<=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal>of gas and it still doesn't work but float rises.=
=C2=A0 The needle moved ever so</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>slightly right abov=
e E then dropped back down with ignition on.=C2=A0 I even used</p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>a coat hanger to manually raise the float in the gas tank to &=
quot;full&quot; with</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>ignition on but needle still d=
idn't work.=C2=A0 Ignition in &quot;On&quot; position, but</p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal>not running.=C2=A0 </p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal>My thoughts.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>1. Bad gauge?</p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal>2. Wires reversed on fuel gauge from resto impacting sin=
ce it is neg not</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>original positive ground.=C2=A0 Ru=
nning generator that has been polarized to neg</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>grou=
nd.=C2=A0 </p><p class=3DMsoNormal>3. connections at new sending unit not s=
ecure. Neg is to ground and positive</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>to pos on send=
ing unit</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>4. new sender bad</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Any thoughts on the possible easy=
 fix before going through the list</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>tomorrow.=C2=A0 =
Also, if anyone is looking for a nice 73 Stag with hardtop,</p><p class=3DM=
soNormal>manual tran, that has been owned by a TR owner of 60+ tyears and a=
vid VTR</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>member, it is for sale in Tally.=C2=A0 I am=
 trying to help the family find a home</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>for it.=C2=
=A0 Email me offline if you would like pics and contact info.</p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Many thanks,</p><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal>Jim Henningsen</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ocala, FL</p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal>60 TR3A</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>61 TR3A</p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal>62 TR4</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>75 TR6</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbs=
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Assume your new sender and old gauge are good, then you are down to connecti=
ons.  The polarity change should not have mattered but grounding  for the se=
nding unit and the gauge are vital.  I run independent ground wires to both o=
f these.   =20

If you believe your old sender to be good, except for the leak, you might co=
nnect it up outside of the tank and test it.=20

Farther on, Barney has some good info and test procedures on his MGA GURU we=
b site: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/electr_1.htm

All the best,
Bill

Sent from my IBM 8088

On Aug 17, 2019, at 6:54 PM, Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]> wrote:

Help, I'm calling the TR bat phone again.  Switching projects to get my car
ready for AACC southeastern fall nationals on Mobile AL.  1962 TR4 CT5212LO.=

Fuel gauge worked prior to restoration but not after.  Car is switched to
neg ground.  Orig fuel sender float was sunk in tank.  Removed it and
verified there is gas in it.  Hoping there is a way to rebuild it since orig=

part.  Put in a new sending unit from TRF this morning and added 7 gallons
of gas and it still doesn't work but float rises.  The needle moved ever so
slightly right above E then dropped back down with ignition on.  I even used=

My thoughts.
1. Bad gauge?
2. Wires reversed on fuel gauge from resto impacting since it is neg not
original positive ground.  Running generator that has been polarized to neg
ground. =20
3. connections at new sending unit not secure. Neg is to ground and positive=

to pos on sending unit
4. new sender bad

Any thoughts on the possible easy fix before going through the list
tomorrow.  Also, if anyone is looking for a nice 73 Stag with hardtop,
manual tran, that has been owned by a TR owner of 60+ tyears and avid VTR
member, it is for sale in Tally.  I am trying to help the family find a home=

Many thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
60 TR3A
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6

ash.net

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Assume your new sender and old gauge are go=
od, then you are down to connections. &nbsp;The polarity change should not h=
ave mattered but grounding &nbsp;for the sending unit and the gauge are vita=
l. &nbsp;I run independent ground wires to both of these. &nbsp; &nbsp;<div>=
<br></div><div>If you believe your old sender to be good, except for the lea=
k, you might connect it up outside of the tank and test it.&nbsp;</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Farther on, Barney has some good info and test procedures on h=
is MGA GURU web site:&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/ele=
ctr_1.htm">http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/electr_1.htm</a><br><br>All th=
e best,<br>Bill</div><div><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sen=
t from my IBM 8088</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Aug 17, 2019, at 6:54 PM, Ji=
m Henningsen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>Help, I'm calling the TR bat p=
hone again. &nbsp;Switching projects to get my car</span><br><span>ready for=
 AACC southeastern fall nationals on Mobile AL. &nbsp;1962 TR4 CT5212LO.</sp=
an><br><span>Fuel gauge worked prior to restoration but not after. &nbsp;Car=
 is switched to</span><br><span>neg ground. &nbsp;Orig fuel sender float was=
 sunk in tank. &nbsp;Removed it and</span><br><span>verified there is gas in=
 it. &nbsp;Hoping there is a way to rebuild it since orig</span><br><span>pa=
rt. &nbsp;Put in a new sending unit from TRF this morning and added 7 gallon=
s</span><br><span>of gas and it still doesn't work but float rises. &nbsp;Th=
e needle moved ever so</span><br><span>slightly right above E then dropped b=
ack down with ignition on. &nbsp;I even used</span><br><span>a coat hanger t=
o manually raise the float in the gas tank to "full" with</span><br><span>ig=
nition on but needle still didn't work. &nbsp;Ignition in "On" position, but=
</span><br><span>not running. &nbsp;</span><br><span></span><br><span>My tho=
ughts.</span><br><span>1. Bad gauge?</span><br><span>2. Wires reversed on fu=
el gauge from resto impacting since it is neg not</span><br><span>original p=
ositive ground. &nbsp;Running generator that has been polarized to neg</span=
><br><span>ground. &nbsp;</span><br><span>3. connections at new sending unit=
 not secure. Neg is to ground and positive</span><br><span>to pos on sending=
 unit</span><br><span>4. new sender bad</span><br><span></span><br><span>Any=
 thoughts on the possible easy fix before going through the list</span><br><=
span>tomorrow. &nbsp;Also, if anyone is looking for a nice 73 Stag with hard=
top,</span><br><span>manual tran, that has been owned by a TR owner of 60+ t=
years and avid VTR</span><br><span>member, it is for sale in Tally. &nbsp;I a=
m trying to help the family find a home</span><br><span>for it. &nbsp;Email m=
e offline if you would like pics and contact info.</span><br><span></span><b=
r><span>Many thanks,</span><br><span>Jim Henningsen</span><br><span>Ocala, FL=
</span><br><span>60 TR3A</span><br><span>61 TR3A</span><br><span>62 TR4</spa=
n><br><span>75 TR6</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>** <a h=
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From: Randall <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 00:50:51 -0500

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> The polarity change should not have mattered but grounding =C2=A0for the =
sending unit=20
> and the gauge are vital. =C2=A0

Unlike TR2-3, the TR4 gauge does not need to be grounded.

> Farther on, Barney has some good info and test procedures on his MGA GURU=
 web=20
> site:=C2=A0http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/electr_1.htm

TR2-3 gauge works the same as MGA, but TR4 is completely different inside. =
 I fear that trying to use the MGA sequence will just confuse the issue.

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ss=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>&gt; The polarity change should not =
have mattered but grounding &nbsp;for the sending unit <o:p></o:p></p><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal>&gt; and the gauge are vital. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Unlike TR2-3, the TR=
4 gauge does not need to be grounded.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&gt; Farther on, Barney has some go=
od info and test procedures on his MGA GURU web <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DM=
soNormal>&gt; site:&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/elec=
tr_1.htm">http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/electr_1.htm</a><o:p></o:p></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>TR2-3 gauge=
 works the same as MGA, but TR4 is completely different inside.=C2=A0 I fea=
r that trying to use the MGA sequence will just confuse the issue.<o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>-- Ran=
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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 11:40:23 -0400

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Thanks all for the feedback.  I=E2=80=99m heading out this afternoon for =
some tinkering.  I didn=E2=80=99t mention this since I didn=E2=80=99t =
think related, but the temp gauge is also not working, and =
didn=E2=80=99t realize it might be the voltage stabilizer unit.  Hmmmnn.

Jim Henningsen=20

=20

From: Randall <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 8:25 PM
To: Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]>; 'Triumphs' =
<[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles

=20

Quick and dirty test : Remove the wire from the sender, turn the key on, =
and ground the wire while watching the gauge.  If the gauge starts to =
climb towards full, then the gauge & wiring to it are probably OK.  =
Probably best to not leave it this way for long, but a few minutes =
won=E2=80=99t hurt.

=20

My next suspect (especially since it worked before restoration) would be =
the grounding for the sender.  IIRC the TR4 grounds the same as TR3, =
meaning not very well.  I like to add a ground wire from the stud on the =
sender to one of the tank mounting bolts.

=20

Use an ohmmeter to check the sender.  I don=E2=80=99t recall the exact =
numbers offhand, but it=E2=80=99s something like 100 ohms empty and 10 =
ohms full.  If it seems to work backwards (low resistance empty and high =
resistance full), you=E2=80=99ve got a TR3 sender instead of TR4.

=20

Also worth checking the temp gauge if the first test above =
doesn=E2=80=99t work.  Do the same thing, pull the wire off the sender =
and ground it.  If temp gauge doesn=E2=80=99t respond either, =
it=E2=80=99s probably the voltage stabilizer.  Seems like maybe =
it=E2=80=99s mounted over in the passenger footwell on a TR4, but =
honestly I don=E2=80=99t recall for sure.

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Help, I'm calling the TR bat phone again.  Switching projects to get my =
car

ready for AACC southeastern fall nationals on Mobile AL.  1962 TR4 =
CT5212LO.

Fuel gauge worked prior to restoration but not after.  Car is switched =
to

verified there is gas in it.  Hoping there is a way to rebuild it since =
orig

part.  Put in a new sending unit from TRF this morning and added 7 =
gallons

of gas and it still doesn't work but float rises.  The needle moved ever =
so

slightly right above E then dropped back down with ignition on.  I even =
used

ignition on but needle still didn't work.  Ignition in "On" position, =
but

not running. =20

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My thoughts.

1. Bad gauge?

original positive ground.  Running generator that has been polarized to =
neg

ground. =20

3. connections at new sending unit not secure. Neg is to ground and =
positive

to pos on sending unit

4. new sender bad

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manual tran, that has been owned by a TR owner of 60+ tyears and avid =
VTR

member, it is for sale in Tally.  I am trying to help the family find a =
home

=20

Many thanks,

Jim Henningsen

Ocala, FL

60 TR3A

61 TR3A

62 TR4

75 TR6

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vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks =
all for the feedback.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m heading out this afternoon for =
some tinkering.=C2=A0 I didn=E2=80=99t mention this since I =
didn=E2=80=99t think related, but the temp gauge is also not working, =
and didn=E2=80=99t realize it might be the voltage stabilizer =
unit.=C2=A0 Hmmmnn.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Jim Henningsen =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Randall =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 17, 2019 =
8:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jim Henningsen &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
'Triumphs' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] =
Fuel gauge troubles<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Quick and =
dirty test : Remove the wire from the sender, turn the key on, and =
ground the wire while watching the gauge.&nbsp; If the gauge starts to =
climb towards full, then the gauge &amp; wiring to it are probably =
OK.&nbsp; Probably best to not leave it this way for long, but a few =
minutes won=E2=80=99t hurt.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>My next =
suspect (especially since it worked before restoration) would be the =
grounding for the sender.&nbsp; IIRC the TR4 grounds the same as TR3, =
meaning not very well.&nbsp; I like to add a ground wire from the stud =
on the sender to one of the tank mounting bolts.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Use an =
ohmmeter to check the sender.&nbsp; I don=E2=80=99t recall the exact =
numbers offhand, but it=E2=80=99s something like 100 ohms empty and 10 =
ohms full.&nbsp; If it seems to work backwards (low resistance empty and =
high resistance full), you=E2=80=99ve got a TR3 sender instead of =
TR4.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Also worth checking the temp gauge if the first test =
above doesn=E2=80=99t work.&nbsp; Do the same thing, pull the wire off =
the sender and ground it.&nbsp; If temp gauge doesn=E2=80=99t respond =
either, it=E2=80=99s probably the voltage stabilizer.&nbsp; Seems like =
maybe it=E2=80=99s mounted over in the passenger footwell on a TR4, but =
honestly I don=E2=80=99t recall for sure.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>-- =
Randall<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from <a =
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Windows 10<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Jim Henningsen</a><br><b>Sent: =
</b>Saturday, August 17, 2019 6:54 PM<br><b>To: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">'Triumphs'</a><br><b>Subject: =
</b>[TR] Fuel gauge troubles<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Help, I'm =
calling the TR bat phone again.&nbsp; Switching projects to get my =
car<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>ready for AACC southeastern fall =
nationals on Mobile AL.&nbsp; 1962 TR4 CT5212LO.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Fuel gauge worked prior to restoration but not =
after.&nbsp; Car is switched to<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>neg =
ground.&nbsp; Orig fuel sender float was sunk in tank.&nbsp; Removed it =
and<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>verified there is gas in =
it.&nbsp; Hoping there is a way to rebuild it since =
orig<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>part.&nbsp; Put in a new sending =
unit from TRF this morning and added 7 gallons<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>of gas and it still doesn't work but float =
rises.&nbsp; The needle moved ever so<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>slightly right above E then dropped back down with =
ignition on.&nbsp; I even used<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>a coat =
hanger to manually raise the float in the gas tank to &quot;full&quot; =
with<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>ignition on but needle still =
didn't work.&nbsp; Ignition in &quot;On&quot; position, =
but<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>not running.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>My thoughts.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>1. Bad =
gauge?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>2. Wires reversed on fuel =
gauge from resto impacting since it is neg not<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>original positive ground.&nbsp; Running generator that =
has been polarized to neg<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>ground.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>3. =
connections at new sending unit not secure. Neg is to ground and =
positive<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>to pos on sending =
unit<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>4. new sender =
bad<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Any thoughts on the possible easy fix before going =
through the list<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>tomorrow.&nbsp; =
Also, if anyone is looking for a nice 73 Stag with =
hardtop,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>manual tran, that has been =
owned by a TR owner of 60+ tyears and avid VTR<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>member, it is for sale in Tally.&nbsp; I am trying to =
help the family find a home<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>for =
it.&nbsp; Email me offline if you would like pics and contact =
info.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Many thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Jim =
Henningsen<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ocala, FL<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>60 TR3A<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>61 =
TR3A<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>62 TR4<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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If you changed to negative ground you need to have a negative ground voltag=
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Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 11:40:23 AM
To: 'Randall' <[email-masked]>; 'Triumphs' <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles

Thanks all for the feedback.  I=92m heading out this afternoon for some tin=
kering.  I didn=92t mention this since I didn=92t think related, but the te=
mp gauge is also not working, and didn=92t realize it might be the voltage =
stabilizer unit.  Hmmmnn.
Jim Henningsen

From: Randall <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 8:25 PM
To: Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]>; 'Triumphs' <[email-masked]=

Quick and dirty test : Remove the wire from the sender, turn the key on, an=
d ground the wire while watching the gauge.  If the gauge starts to climb t=
owards full, then the gauge & wiring to it are probably OK.  Probably best =
to not leave it this way for long, but a few minutes won=92t hurt.

Use an ohmmeter to check the sender.  I don=92t recall the exact numbers of=
fhand, but it=92s something like 100 ohms empty and 10 ohms full.  If it se=
ems to work backwards (low resistance empty and high resistance full), you=
=92ve got a TR3 sender instead of TR4.

Also worth checking the temp gauge if the first test above doesn=92t work. =
 Do the same thing, pull the wire off the sender and ground it.  If temp ga=
uge doesn=92t respond either, it=92s probably the voltage stabilizer.  Seem=
s like maybe it=92s mounted over in the passenger footwell on a TR4, but ho=
nestly I don=92t recall for sure.

-- Randall

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks all for the feedback.&nbsp; I=92m heading out=
 this afternoon for some tinkering.&nbsp; I didn=92t mention this since I d=
idn=92t think related, but the temp gauge is also not working, and didn=92t=
 realize it might be the voltage stabilizer unit.&nbsp; Hmmmnn.<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Randall &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br=
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 17, 2019 8:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jim Henningsen &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; 'Triumphs' &lt;triumph=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Quick and dirty test : Remove the wire from the send=
er, turn the key on, and ground the wire while watching the gauge.&nbsp; If=
 the gauge starts to climb towards full, then the gauge &amp; wiring to it =
are probably OK.&nbsp; Probably best to not leave
 it this way for long, but a few minutes won=92t hurt.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">My next suspect (especially since it worked before r=
estoration) would be the grounding for the sender.&nbsp; IIRC the TR4 groun=
ds the same as TR3, meaning not very well.&nbsp; I like to add a ground wir=
e from the stud on the sender to one of the
 tank mounting bolts.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Use an ohmmeter to check the sender.&nbsp; I don=92t=
 recall the exact numbers offhand, but it=92s something like 100 ohms empty=
 and 10 ohms full.&nbsp; If it seems to work backwards (low resistance empt=
y and high resistance full), you=92ve got a TR3 sender
 instead of TR4.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Also worth checking the temp gauge if the first test=
 above doesn=92t work.&nbsp; Do the same thing, pull the wire off the sende=
r and ground it.&nbsp; If temp gauge doesn=92t respond either, it=92s proba=
bly the voltage stabilizer.&nbsp; Seems like maybe it=92s
 mounted over in the passenger footwell on a TR4, but honestly I don=92t re=
call for sure.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Help, I'm calling the TR bat phone again.&nbsp; Swit=
ching projects to get my car<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">ready for AACC southeastern fall nationals on Mobile=
 AL.&nbsp; 1962 TR4 CT5212LO.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Fuel gauge worked prior to restoration but not after=
.&nbsp; Car is switched to<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">neg ground.&nbsp; Orig fuel sender float was sunk in=
 tank.&nbsp; Removed it and<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">verified there is gas in it.&nbsp; Hoping there is a=
 way to rebuild it since orig<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">part.&nbsp; Put in a new sending unit from TRF this =
morning and added 7 gallons<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">of gas and it still doesn't work but float rises.&nb=
sp; The needle moved ever so<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">slightly right above E then dropped back down with i=
gnition on.&nbsp; I even used<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">a coat hanger to manually raise the float in the gas=
 tank to &quot;full&quot; with<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">ignition on but needle still didn't work.&nbsp; Igni=
tion in &quot;On&quot; position, but<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">not running.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">My thoughts.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">1. Bad gauge?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">2. Wires reversed on fuel gauge from resto impacting=
 since it is neg not<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">original positive ground.&nbsp; Running generator th=
at has been polarized to neg<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">ground.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">3. connections at new sending unit not secure. Neg i=
s to ground and positive<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">to pos on sending unit<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">4. new sender bad<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Any thoughts on the possible easy fix before going t=
hrough the list<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">tomorrow.&nbsp; Also, if anyone is looking for a nic=
e 73 Stag with hardtop,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">manual tran, that has been owned by a TR owner of 60=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">member, it is for sale in Tally.&nbsp; I am trying t=
o help the family find a home<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">for it.&nbsp; Email me offline if you would like pic=
s and contact info.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Many thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jim Henningsen<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ocala, FL<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">60 TR3A<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">62 TR4<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">75 TR6<o:p></o:p></p>
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Eureeka!  As you and Randall pointed out, I think that's it.  I swapped out
the speedo unit with an NOS one during restoration and didn't change the
voltage stabilizer from my orig speedo which was probably already changed to
Neg ground.  Since all worked prior to disassembly and had already been
converted to neg ground.  Let me dig it up in the parts bin and swap it out.
I also did grounding tests on temp and fuel sending units and still not
working.  Both of those gauge feeds are downstream of the voltage stabilizer
so that's the next thing to check. Nothing like getting all of the bugs out
of a fresh restoration.  

Thanks,

Jim H

From: Dressler Jr., Edward Thomas <[email-masked]> 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 1:18 PM
To: Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]>; 'Randall' <[email-masked]>;
'Triumphs' <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles

If you changed to negative ground you need to have a negative ground voltage
stabilizer.

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From: Triumphs <[email-masked]
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 11:40:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles 

Thanks all for the feedback.  I'm heading out this afternoon for some
tinkering.  I didn't mention this since I didn't think related, but the temp
gauge is also not working, and didn't realize it might be the voltage
stabilizer unit.  Hmmmnn.

Jim Henningsen 

Quick and dirty test : Remove the wire from the sender, turn the key on, and
ground the wire while watching the gauge.  If the gauge starts to climb
towards full, then the gauge & wiring to it are probably OK.  Probably best
to not leave it this way for long, but a few minutes won't hurt.

My next suspect (especially since it worked before restoration) would be the
grounding for the sender.  IIRC the TR4 grounds the same as TR3, meaning not
very well.  I like to add a ground wire from the stud on the sender to one
of the tank mounting bolts.

Use an ohmmeter to check the sender.  I don't recall the exact numbers
offhand, but it's something like 100 ohms empty and 10 ohms full.  If it
seems to work backwards (low resistance empty and high resistance full),
you've got a TR3 sender instead of TR4.

Also worth checking the temp gauge if the first test above doesn't work.  Do
the same thing, pull the wire off the sender and ground it.  If temp gauge
doesn't respond either, it's probably the voltage stabilizer.  Seems like
maybe it's mounted over in the passenger footwell on a TR4, but honestly I
don't recall for sure.

-- Randall

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slightly right above E then dropped back down with ignition on.  I even used

not running.  

My thoughts.

1. Bad gauge?

ground.  

3. connections at new sending unit not secure. Neg is to ground and positive

to pos on sending unit

4. new sender bad

member, it is for sale in Tally.  I am trying to help the family find a home

Many thanks,

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Ocala, FL

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class=3DMsoNormal>Eureeka!&nbsp; As you and Randall pointed out, I think =
that&#8217;s it.&nbsp; I swapped out the speedo unit with an NOS one =
during restoration and didn&#8217;t change the voltage stabilizer from =
my orig speedo which was probably already changed to Neg ground.&nbsp; =
Since all worked prior to disassembly and had already been converted to =
neg ground.&nbsp; Let me dig it up in the parts bin and swap it =
out.&nbsp; I also did grounding tests on temp and fuel sending units and =
still not working.&nbsp; Both of those gauge feeds are downstream of the =
voltage stabilizer so that&#8217;s the next thing to check. Nothing like =
getting all of the bugs out of a fresh restoration.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jim H<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Dressler Jr., Edward Thomas =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 18, 2019 1:18 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Jim Henningsen &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; 'Randall' =
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&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Fuel gauge =
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style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>If you changed to =
negative ground you need to have a negative ground voltage =
stabilizer.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p =
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<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks all for the feedback.&nbsp; I&#8217;m heading =
out this afternoon for some tinkering.&nbsp; I didn&#8217;t mention this =
since I didn&#8217;t think related, but the temp gauge is also not =
working, and didn&#8217;t realize it might be the voltage stabilizer =
unit.&nbsp; Hmmmnn.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Jim Henningsen =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Randall &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 17, 2019 8:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jim =
Henningsen &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; 'Triumphs' =
&lt;<a =
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r><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] Fuel gauge =
troubles<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Quick and =
dirty test : Remove the wire from the sender, turn the key on, and =
ground the wire while watching the gauge.&nbsp; If the gauge starts to =
climb towards full, then the gauge &amp; wiring to it are probably =
OK.&nbsp; Probably best to not leave it this way for long, but a few =
minutes won&#8217;t hurt.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>My next =
suspect (especially since it worked before restoration) would be the =
grounding for the sender.&nbsp; IIRC the TR4 grounds the same as TR3, =
meaning not very well.&nbsp; I like to add a ground wire from the stud =
on the sender to one of the tank mounting bolts.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Use an =
ohmmeter to check the sender.&nbsp; I don&#8217;t recall the exact =
numbers offhand, but it&#8217;s something like 100 ohms empty and 10 =
ohms full.&nbsp; If it seems to work backwards (low resistance empty and =
high resistance full), you&#8217;ve got a TR3 sender instead of =
TR4.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Also worth checking the temp gauge if the first test =
above doesn&#8217;t work.&nbsp; Do the same thing, pull the wire off the =
sender and ground it.&nbsp; If temp gauge doesn&#8217;t respond either, =
it&#8217;s probably the voltage stabilizer.&nbsp; Seems like maybe =
it&#8217;s mounted over in the passenger footwell on a TR4, but honestly =
I don&#8217;t recall for sure.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>-- =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Jim Henningsen</a><br><b>Sent: =
</b>Saturday, August 17, 2019 6:54 PM<br><b>To: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">'Triumphs'</a><br><b>Subject: =
</b>[TR] Fuel gauge troubles<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Help, I'm =
calling the TR bat phone again.&nbsp; Switching projects to get my =
car<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>ready for AACC southeastern fall =
nationals on Mobile AL.&nbsp; 1962 TR4 CT5212LO.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Fuel gauge worked prior to restoration but not =
after.&nbsp; Car is switched to<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>neg =
ground.&nbsp; Orig fuel sender float was sunk in tank.&nbsp; Removed it =
and<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>verified there is gas in =
it.&nbsp; Hoping there is a way to rebuild it since =
orig<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>part.&nbsp; Put in a new sending =
unit from TRF this morning and added 7 gallons<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>of gas and it still doesn't work but float =
rises.&nbsp; The needle moved ever so<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>slightly right above E then dropped back down with =
ignition on.&nbsp; I even used<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>a coat =
hanger to manually raise the float in the gas tank to &quot;full&quot; =
with<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>ignition on but needle still =
didn't work.&nbsp; Ignition in &quot;On&quot; position, =
but<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>not running.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>My thoughts.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>1. Bad =
gauge?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>2. Wires reversed on fuel =
gauge from resto impacting since it is neg not<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>original positive ground.&nbsp; Running generator that =
has been polarized to neg<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>ground.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>3. =
connections at new sending unit not secure. Neg is to ground and =
positive<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>to pos on sending =
unit<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>4. new sender =
bad<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Any thoughts on the possible easy fix before going =
through the list<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>tomorrow.&nbsp; =
Also, if anyone is looking for a nice 73 Stag with =
hardtop,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>manual tran, that has been =
owned by a TR owner of 60+ tyears and avid VTR<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>member, it is for sale in Tally.&nbsp; I am trying to =
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it.&nbsp; Email me offline if you would like pics and contact =
info.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Many thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Jim =
Henningsen<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ocala, FL<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>60 TR3A<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>61 =
TR3A<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>62 TR4<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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Disregard the speedo comment on my last post.  Too many TRs on the brain
this past week (3,4 and 6)  volt stabilizer not on speedo on 4.  Its up in
the passenger footwell.  Thanks all.  New one on order and hopefully that's
it.  Appreciate everyone's patience and support. jim

  _____  

Jim Henningsen 

-- Randall

Sent from Mail

not running.  

My thoughts.

1. Bad gauge?

ground.  

to pos on sending unit

4. new sender bad

Many thanks,

Jim Henningsen

Ocala, FL

60 TR3A

61 TR3A

62 TR4

75 TR6

 

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class=3DMsoNormal>Disregard the speedo comment on my last post.&nbsp; =
Too many TRs on the brain this past week (3,4 and 6)&nbsp; volt =
stabilizer not on speedo on 4.&nbsp; Its up in the passenger =
footwell.&nbsp; Thanks all.&nbsp; New one on order and hopefully =
that&#8217;s it. &nbsp;Appreciate everyone&#8217;s patience and support. =
jim<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 14:35:59 -0500

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> If you changed to negative ground you need to have a negative ground
> voltage stabilizer.

The original voltage stabilizers will work with either ground polarity.

Aftermarket (solid state) ones are definitely polarity sensitive, though.

-- Randall

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Jim;

Can't say about a TR4 but, in my '74 TR6, when both the gas gauge and the
temp
gauge don't work, it's a loose fuse in the holder (both run off the same
fuse).
Check the fuse connections....

Dave

> Thanks all for the feedback.  I=E2=80=99m heading out this afternoon for =
some
> tinkering.  I didn=E2=80=99t mention this since I didn=E2=80=99t think re=
lated, but the
> temp gauge is also not working, and didn=E2=80=99t realize it might be th=
e voltage
> stabilizer unit.  Hmmmnn.
>
> Jim Henningsen
>
>
>
> *From:* Randall <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 17, 2019 8:25 PM
> *To:* Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]>; 'Triumphs' <
> [email-masked]>
> *Subject:* RE: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles
>
>
>
> Quick and dirty test : Remove the wire from the sender, turn the key on,
> and ground the wire while watching the gauge.  If the gauge starts to cli=
mb
> towards full, then the gauge & wiring to it are probably OK.  Probably be=
st
> My next suspect (especially since it worked before restoration) would be
> the grounding for the sender.  IIRC the TR4 grounds the same as TR3,
> meaning not very well.  I like to add a ground wire from the stud on the
> Use an ohmmeter to check the sender.  I don=E2=80=99t recall the exact nu=
mbers
> offhand, but it=E2=80=99s something like 100 ohms empty and 10 ohms full.=
  If it
> you=E2=80=99ve got a TR3 sender instead of TR4.
>
>
>
> Also worth checking the temp gauge if the first test above doesn=E2=80=99=
t work.
> Do the same thing, pull the wire off the sender and ground it.  If temp
> gauge doesn=E2=80=99t respond either, it=E2=80=99s probably the voltage s=
tabilizer.  Seems
> like maybe it=E2=80=99s mounted over in the passenger footwell on a TR4, =
but
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for
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>
>
> *From: *Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]>
> *Sent: *Saturday, August 17, 2019 6:54 PM
> *To: *'Triumphs' <[email-masked]>
> *Subject: *[TR] Fuel gauge troubles
>
>
>
> Help, I'm calling the TR bat phone again.  Switching projects to get my c=
ar
> part.  Put in a new sending unit from TRF this morning and added 7 gallon=
s
so
> original positive ground.  Running generator that has been polarized to n=
eg
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Jim;</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;c=
olor:#000099"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:c=
omic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Can&#39;t say about =
a TR4 but, in my &#39;74 TR6, when both the gas gauge and the temp=C2=A0</d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-ser=
if;font-size:large;color:#000099">gauge don&#39;t work, it&#39;s a loose fu=
se in the holder (both run off the same fuse).=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;c=
olor:#000099">Check the fuse connections....</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#00=
0099"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Dave</div><div class=3D"gmai=
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div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug=
 18, 2019 at 11:40 AM Jim Henningsen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204=
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7112417WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks all for the feedback.=C2=
=A0 I=E2=80=99m heading out this afternoon for some tinkering.=C2=A0 I didn=
=E2=80=99t mention this since I didn=E2=80=99t think related, but the temp =
gauge is also not working, and didn=E2=80=99t realize it might be the volta=
ge stabilizer unit.=C2=A0 Hmmmnn.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">J=
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</p><div><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:non=
e;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><b>From:</b> Randall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, Augu=
st 17, 2019 8:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jim Henningsen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:trgu=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; &#39;Triumphs&#=
39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">triump=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles<u=
></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Quick and dirty test : Remove the wire from the send=
er, turn the key on, and ground the wire while watching the gauge.=C2=A0 If=
 the gauge starts to climb towards full, then the gauge &amp; wiring to it =
are probably OK.=C2=A0 Probably best to not leave it this way for long, but=
 a few minutes won=E2=80=99t hurt.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">My next suspect (especially =
since it worked before restoration) would be the grounding for the sender.=
=C2=A0 IIRC the TR4 grounds the same as TR3, meaning not very well.=C2=A0 I=
 like to add a ground wire from the stud on the sender to one of the tank m=
ounting bolts.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Use an ohmmeter to check the sender.=C2=A0 I don=
=E2=80=99t recall the exact numbers offhand, but it=E2=80=99s something lik=
e 100 ohms empty and 10 ohms full.=C2=A0 If it seems to work backwards (low=
 resistance empty and high resistance full), you=E2=80=99ve got a TR3 sende=
r instead of TR4.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Also worth checking the temp gauge if the fir=
st test above doesn=E2=80=99t work.=C2=A0 Do the same thing, pull the wire =
off the sender and ground it.=C2=A0 If temp gauge doesn=E2=80=99t respond e=
ither, it=E2=80=99s probably the voltage stabilizer.=C2=A0 Seems like maybe=
 it=E2=80=99s mounted over in the passenger footwell on a TR4, but honestly=
 I don=E2=80=99t recall for sure.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">-- Randall<u></u><u></u></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent f=
rom <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986" target=3D"=
_blank">Mail</a> for Windows 10<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;bor=
der-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">Jim Henningsen</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, August 17, 2019 =
6:54 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank">&#39;Triumphs&#39;</a><br><b>Subject: </b>[TR] Fuel gauge troubles<=
u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">Help, I&#39;m calling the TR bat phone again.=C2=A0 Switc=
hing projects to get my car<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">ready f=
or AACC southeastern fall nationals on Mobile AL.=C2=A0 1962 TR4 CT5212LO.<=
u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Fuel gauge worked prior to restorat=
ion but not after.=C2=A0 Car is switched to<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">neg ground.=C2=A0 Orig fuel sender float was sunk in tank.=C2=A0 R=
emoved it and<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">verified there is gas=
 in it.=C2=A0 Hoping there is a way to rebuild it since orig<u></u><u></u><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">part.=C2=A0 Put in a new sending unit from TRF th=
is morning and added 7 gallons<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">of g=
as and it still doesn&#39;t work but float rises.=C2=A0 The needle moved ev=
er so<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">slightly right above E then d=
ropped back down with ignition on.=C2=A0 I even used<u></u><u></u></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">a coat hanger to manually raise the float in the gas tank=
 to &quot;full&quot; with<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">ignition =
on but needle still didn&#39;t work.=C2=A0 Ignition in &quot;On&quot; posit=
ion, but<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">not running.=C2=A0 <u></u>=
<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">My thoughts.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">1. Bad gauge?<u>=
</u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">2. Wires reversed on fuel gauge from =
resto impacting since it is neg not<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>original positive ground.=C2=A0 Running generator that has been polarized =
to neg<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">ground.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">3. connections at new sending unit not secure. N=
eg is to ground and positive<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">to pos=
 on sending unit<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">4. new sender bad<=
u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Any thoughts on the possible easy fix before going through the =
list<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">tomorrow.=C2=A0 Also, if anyon=
e is looking for a nice 73 Stag with hardtop,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">manual tran, that has been owned by a TR owner of 60+ tyears and=
 avid VTR<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">member, it is for sale in=
 Tally.=C2=A0 I am trying to help the family find a home<u></u><u></u></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">for it.=C2=A0 Email me offline if you would like pics=
 and contact info.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Many thanks,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Jim Henningsen<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ocala, FL<u=
></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">60 TR3A<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
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