Subject: Re: [TR] MGA

From: Rye Livingston <[email-masked]>
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I don't know the racing history of the two cars together, but the racing h=
eritage of Porsche out performing bigger horsepower cars is legendary. =C2=
=A0It all started with a 356 in 1951 when Porsche entered Le Mans with a 1=
.1 liter car. =C2=A0The link below is to a fantastic video of the restorat=
ion of that car. =C2=A0At 2:30 minute mark into the video is a still photo=
 from the race, and you can see two MGAs in the photo, but I don't see a T=
riumph. =C2=A0It was the smallest engine in the race, and=C2=A0they won th=
e race, and that started Porsche racing. =C2=A0If they had lost or not don=
e well, history of Porsche would have been changed.=0A=0AThe rest of the v=
ideo is pretty cool how they found the car, through years of research they=
 were able to verify it was the car that won Le Mans, and then they did an=
 amazing job to restore it. =C2=A0The CEO of Kettle potato chips, he is th=
e owner of the car.=0A=0Ahttps://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-=
cars/a20652380/1951-porsche-356-sl-le-mans-restoration/=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AO=
n July 17, 2019 at 10:16 AM, TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote:=0A=0A=
Cool.=C2=A0 Thanks, Rye.=C2=A0 That's sort of what I'm asking.=C2=A0 Engin=
e size can be made up by gear ratios, OD's, cams, and so on.=C2=A0 So the =
Spyder was 500 cc's smaller than a Triumph, but significantly outperformed=
?=0AOn July 17, 2019 at 12:30 PM Rye Livingston <[email-masked]> wrote: =0A=0A=
One correction, James Dean died in a 550 Porsche Spyder, one of only 90 pr=
oduced, not a Speedster. =C2=A0It had a=C2=A01.5 liter engine, but it was =
a Carrera engine with twin overhead cams,=C2=A0two separate ignition manif=
olds=C2=A0and=C2=A0two ignition coils. =C2=A0It was also a mid engine desi=
gn like the 914 and the current Boxter and Cayman. =C2=A0So this car isn't=
 comparable to a=C2=A0Triumph or MGA of that era.=0A=0A=C2=A0=0ARye =0A196=
0 TR3A=0A1963 356=0A1968 912=0A1988 911 Carrera=0A=0A=0A=0AOn July 16, 201=
9 at 4:48 PM, TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote: =0A=0AHmmm.=C2=A0 S=
o looking quickly other street cars of the time, a 1959 Porsche 356 A had =
a 1.6 liter engine; I don't know about the Porsche "speedster" or even if =
it was different, other than James Dean died in one.=C2=A0 The 1959 MGA ha=
d a 1.6 liter.=C2=A0 The Jaguar XK 150 had a 3.8 liter engine.=C2=A0 Karma=
nn Ghia had between a 1.1 and 1.3 liter engine.=C2=A0 As far as I can tell=
 the Fiat 850 started in 1964, with an engine a single strong man could se=
emingly lift.=C2=A0 The Sunbeam Alpine was a 1.5 liter.=C2=A0 The Austin M=
artin DB4 was 3.7 liters.=C2=A0 Couldn't quickly find the big Healeys four=
 and six cylinder engines.=C2=A0 The Bugeye Sprite was a 0.948 liter; my s=
ister called it her putt-putt.=C2=A0 Triumphs and Morgans, of course, ran =
the same 2 liter engine.=0A=0AAll this said, and certainly subject to any =
corrections you might have, I remain unsure how Triumphs stacked up in rac=
es against these.=C2=A0 Anybody?=0A=0ATerry=0AOn July 16, 2019 at 5:40 PM =
Randall <[email-masked]> wrote: =0A=0A110 mph in 4th OD is only 4500 =
rpm.=C2=A0 Not what I call =E2=80=9Ccrank shattering rpm=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 A=
 stock TR3 won=E2=80=99t usually run that fast of course, but 87mm liners =
were actually cheaper than 83s, back in the 70s.=C2=A0 (I actually found a=
 set that had been returned to Warshawski=E2=80=99s in Chicago, better kno=
wn as JC Whitney, for even less than the usual price.)=0A=C2=A0=0AAnd I=E2=
=80=99ve run 4500 for literally hours without a problem.=C2=A0 (Speed enfo=
rcement in the desert tends to be lax =F0=9F=98=8A )=0A=C2=A0=0ASent from =
Mail for Windows 10=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom: TERRY SMITH=0ASent: Tuesday, July 16,=
 2019 1:47 PM=0ATo: Randall=0ACc: Triumphs=0ASubject: Re: [TR] MGA=0A=C2=A0=
=0AThat reminds me.=C2=A0 When I say my TR3 "keeps up with traffic," I'm r=
eferencing traffic on the freeway here (tollway, rather) that clips along =
between 70 and 80 mph.=C2=A0 I've been curious about the various cruising =
speeds and power performances of TR3's and their competition back in the d=
ay, cruising that is without winding up to crank shattering rpm's.=C2=A0 A=
nybody familiar with that?=C2=A0=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A** [email-masked] =
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<html><body><div></div><div>I don't know the racing history of the two cars together, =
but the racing heritage of Porsche out performing bigger horsepower cars i=
s legendary. &nbsp;It all started with a 356 in 1951 when Porsche entered =
Le Mans with a 1.1 liter car. &nbsp;The link below is to a fantastic video=
 of the restoration of that car. &nbsp;At 2:30 minute mark into the video =
is a still photo from the race, and you can see two MGAs in the photo, but=
 I don't see a Triumph. &nbsp;It was the smallest engine in the race, and&=
nbsp;they won the race, and that started Porsche racing. &nbsp;If they had=
 lost or not done well, history of Porsche would have been changed.</div><=
div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>The rest of the video is pretty co=
ol how they found the car, through years of research they were able to ver=
ify it was the car that won Le Mans, and then they did an amazing job to r=
estore it. &nbsp;The CEO of Kettle potato chips, he is the owner of the ca=
r.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.ro=
adandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a20652380/1951-porsche-356-sl-le-m=
ans-restoration/">https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a2=
0652380/1951-porsche-356-sl-le-mans-restoration/</a></div><div><br data-mc=
e-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br data-mce-=
bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br>On July 17,=
 2019 at 10:16 AM, TERRY SMITH &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br><=
/div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"msg-quote"><p style=3D"f=
ont-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" =
data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif=
; color: #333333;">Cool.&nbsp; Thanks, Rye.&nbsp; That's sort of what I'm =
asking.&nbsp; Engine size can be made up by gear ratios, OD's, cams, and s=
o on.&nbsp; So the Spyder was 500 cc's smaller than a Triumph, but signifi=
cantly outperformed?<br></p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On July 17, 2019 at =
12:30 PM Rye Livingston &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote: <br> <br><div><span st=
yle=3D"font-size: 14px; font-family: geneva, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D=
"font-size: 14px; font-family: geneva, sans-serif;">One correction, James =
Dean died in a 550 Porsche Spyder, one of only 90 produced, not a Speedste=
r. &nbsp;It had a&nbsp;1.5 liter engine, but it was a Carrera engine with =
twin overhead cams,&nbsp;<span style=3D"color: #222222; font-style: normal=
; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space=
: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; float: none; displ=
ay: inline;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #222222; font-style: normal; font-we=
ight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;=
 word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; float: none; display: inlin=
e;">two separate ignition manifolds&nbsp;and&nbsp;two ignition coils. &nbs=
p;It was also a mid engine design like the 914 and the current Boxter and =
Cayman. &nbsp;So this car isn't comparable to a&nbsp;Triumph or MGA of tha=
t era.</span></span></div><div><span style=3D"color: #222222; font-family:=
 geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: nor=
mal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spa=
cing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; float: none; display: inline;" data-=
mce-style=3D"color: #222222; font-family: geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
4px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-trans=
form: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #fff=
fff; float: none; display: inline;"><br></span></div>&nbsp;<div class=3D"o=
x-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><span style=3D"font-size: 14px; font-famil=
y: geneva, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 14px; font-family: ge=
neva, sans-serif;">Rye</span> <br> <span style=3D"font-family: geneva, san=
s-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: geneva, sans-serif;"><span style=3D=
"font-size: 14px;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 14px;">1960 TR3A</span></s=
pan></div><div class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family: geneva, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: geneva, san=
s-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 14=
px;">1963 356</span></span></div><div class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signa=
ture"><span style=3D"font-family: geneva, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"f=
ont-family: geneva, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" data-mce=
-style=3D"font-size: 14px;">1968 912</span></span></div><div class=3D"ox-1=
7f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><span style=3D"font-family: geneva, sans-seri=
f;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: geneva, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size: 14px;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 14px;">1988 911 Carrera</span>=
</span></div><div class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><span style=3D=
"font-family: geneva, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: geneva, =
sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size:=
 14px;"><br></span></span></div><div class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signat=
ure"><span style=3D"font-family: geneva, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"fo=
nt-family: geneva, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" data-mce-=
style=3D"font-size: 14px;"><br></span></span></div><div><br>On July 16, 20=
19 at 4:48 PM, TERRY SMITH &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote: <br> <br></d=
iv><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-msg-quote"><=
p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color=
: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,aria=
l,sans-serif; color: #333333;">Hmmm.&nbsp; So looking quickly other street=
 cars of the time, a 1959 Porsche 356 A had a 1.6 liter engine; I don't kn=
ow about the Porsche "speedster" or even if it was different, other than J=
ames Dean died in one.&nbsp; The 1959 MGA had a 1.6 liter.&nbsp; The Jagua=
r XK 150 had a 3.8 liter engine.&nbsp; Karmann Ghia had between a 1.1 and =
1.3 liter engine.&nbsp; As far as I can tell the Fiat 850 started in 1964,=
 with an engine a single strong man could seemingly lift.&nbsp; The Sunbea=
m Alpine was a 1.5 liter.&nbsp; The Austin Martin DB4 was 3.7 liters.&nbsp=
; Couldn't quickly find the big Healeys four and six cylinder engines.&nbs=
p; The Bugeye Sprite was a 0.948 liter; my sister called it her putt-putt.=
&nbsp; Triumphs and Morgans, of course, ran the same 2 liter engine.<br></=
p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; co=
lor: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,a=
rial,sans-serif; color: #333333;"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; fon=
t-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D"f=
ont-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">=
All this said, and certainly subject to any corrections you might have, I =
remain unsure how Triumphs stacked up in races against these.&nbsp; Anybod=
y?<br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-s=
erif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: hel=
vetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 1=
2pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-st=
yle=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #3=
33333;">Terry<br></p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On July 16, 2019 at 5:40 PM=
 Randall &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote: <br> <br><div class=3D"ox-17f5=
f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-WordSection1"><p class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b=
-MsoNormal">110 mph in 4<sup>th</sup> OD is only 4500 rpm.&nbsp; Not what =
I call =E2=80=9Ccrank shattering rpm=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; A stock TR3 won=E2=80=
=99t usually run that fast of course, but 87mm liners were actually cheape=
r than 83s, back in the 70s.&nbsp; (I actually found a set that had been r=
eturned to Warshawski=E2=80=99s in Chicago, better known as JC Whitney, fo=
r even less than the usual price.)</p><p class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b=
33b-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal=
">And I=E2=80=99ve run 4500 for literally hours without a problem.&nbsp; (=
Speed enforcement in the desert tends to be lax <span style=3D"font-family=
: 'Segoe UI Emoji',sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Segoe UI E=
moji',sans-serif;">=F0=9F=98=8A</span> )</p><p class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-ox-c=
c84e2b33b-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-Mso=
Normal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550=
986" data-mce-href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986">Ma=
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">&nbsp;</p><div style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; p=
adding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;" data-mce-style=3D"border: none; border-top: so=
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ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal" style=3D"border: none; padding: 0in;" data-mce-st=
yle=3D"border: none; padding: 0in;"><strong>From: </strong><a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">TERRY=
 SMITH</a><br><strong>Sent: </strong>Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:47 PM<br><st=
rong>To: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" data-mce-href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">Randall</a><br><strong>Cc: </strong><a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net">Triumphs</a><br><strong>Subject: </strong>Re: [TR] MGA</p></div><p=
 class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p><span style=3D=
"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: #333333;" =
data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; =
color: #333333;">That reminds me.&nbsp; When I say my TR3 "keeps up with t=
raffic," I'm referencing traffic on the freeway here (tollway, rather) tha=
t clips along between 70 and 80 mph.&nbsp; I've been curious about the var=
ious cruising speeds and power performances of TR3's and their competition=
 back in the day, cruising that is without winding up to crank shattering =
rpm's.&nbsp; Anybody familiar with that?&nbsp;</span></p></div></blockquot=
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