Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Cooling

From: Rye Livingston <[email-masked]>
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I have found with my 1960 TR3A, when the car is at full operating temperat=
ure and I stop to say get gas. =C2=A0When I'm stopped for less than 10 min=
utes, maybe even up to 15 minutes, it will start right up and away I go. =C2=
=A0If it's longer than 15 minutes, say to go in the grocery store, then I'=
ve got some sort of vapor lock problem. =C2=A0I can still get it to start,=
 but it's barely running on 1-2 cylinders and it might take about a=C2=A0m=
inute of it limping on 2 cylinders for it to get plenty of gas and rev up =
and I'm good to go.=C2=A0 If it's roughly 30 mins or longer that I'm parke=
d, then it's all good and starts right up.=0A=0AIf I'm in a spot where I c=
an coast it down hill, I can pop the clutch and it clears out pretty quick=
ly and away I go. =C2=A0I had an experience 2 years ago coming back from T=
riumphest in Arizona. =C2=A0With a few other Triumphs, we stopped to check=
 out this cool church up on the hill in Sedona. =C2=A0It was high 90 degre=
es. =C2=A0I didn't given it any thought when I pulled into an angled parki=
ng slot, nose down, and a steep hill. =C2=A0We walked around and it was ab=
out 20+ minutes later everyone was ready to go. =C2=A0Of course my car did=
n't start, and the others were already heading down the hill. =C2=A0While =
I don't recommend this, it did work=C2=A0in a pinch. =C2=A0I have a=C2=A0n=
ew high torque starter and I put it in reverse, and with the starter motor=
, I used it to back out of the parking slot. =C2=A0Got the car pointed dow=
n hill and bump started it and it cleared almost immediately and away I we=
nt to catch up.=0A=0ARye=0APH: 530-FIND-RYE=0A=0AOn July 26, 2019 at 3:08 =
PM, TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote:=0A=0AOne last question on thi=
s.=C2=A0 I went to a NH Fisher Cats baseball game last night.=C2=A0 Thinki=
ng the car would cool enough through the game, I switched off the manual o=
verride switch on the electric fan.=C2=A0 I came back after the 7th inning=
, and the car was starved for gas.=C2=A0 Everytime I use the fan, car star=
ts right up.=C2=A0 So how long after shutdown might a "vapor lock" or that=
 other thing Randall told me about but which I promptly forgot because, he=
y, it was complicated, affect=C2=A0 fuel delivery?????=0A=0AOf course I ha=
d my daughter's new mother-in-law in the car for a ride, who has a 25 year=
 unused mid-engine Porsche sitting in her garage, so embarrassment was max=
.=C2=A0 =0A=0AThoughts?=0A=0AOh, and I found on driving with the fan in th=
e "on" switch left my battery dead.=C2=A0 So learned to only turn it on af=
ter shutdown to cool the engine bay, since engine drive temp is perfect.=C2=
=A0 =0A=0AAnyway, problem is solved with the electric fan, but how long ca=
n this "lock" thing persist before re-start?=C2=A0 Overnight, it always st=
arts fine!=0A=0ATerry Smith, '59 TR3=C2=A0 TS 58667=0ANew Hampshire=0AOn J=
uly 24, 2019 at 9:38 PM TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote: =0A=0AFir=
st, thank you Randall.=C2=A0 I'd been experiencing a proper temperature du=
ring driving, but upon shut down, the float bowls overheated and made rest=
art chancy until the float bowls cleared.=C2=A0 I installed a Spal Fan wit=
h a temp switch (with a manual override) not spliced to the key, but to th=
e battery.=C2=A0 Drove on an errand, and my worry that the fan woul impede=
 airflow through the radiator was unrealized.=C2=A0 Car ran at 180 perfect=
ly.=C2=A0 But imagine my surprise coming out of Wally World with a new gal=
lon of Prestone coolant concentrate, then heard this roaring sound coming =
from the car next to mine.=C2=A0 Nope.=C2=A0 It was from MY car.=C2=A0 The=
 engine bay on shut down had overheated and the temp switch had kicked in =
like it was supposed to.=C2=A0 The fan was cooling the engine bay.=C2=A0 C=
ar started right up.=C2=A0 Love it!=0A=0ARandall suggested putting a T con=
nector in the heater return hose, but I did change that to put it under th=
e heater control valve.=C2=A0 See attached.=C2=A0 I worried the temp switc=
h would crowd coolant flow to the heater, but test driving the heater show=
ed not an issue, at least yet.=C2=A0 Good hot air coming out.=C2=A0 (I cou=
ldn't completely swap the fan for the heater (forgoing the heater control =
valve) because NH is spurious in its climate.=C2=A0 I'll need that heater =
come October.)=C2=A0 Note:=C2=A0 all connectors were 3/8ths NPT.=C2=A0 =0A=
=0ASo again, thank you all.=C2=A0 We're on pace for the hottest July on re=
cord.=C2=A0 An electric cooling fan is exceedingly timely.=C2=A0 =0A=0ACar=
 is completely sorted and running awesome.=0A=0ATerry Smith, '59 TR3A=0ANe=
w Hampshire=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A** [email-masked] **=0A=0ADonate: http:=
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<html><body><div>I have found with my 1960 TR3A, when the car is at full operating tem=
perature and I stop to say get gas. &nbsp;When I'm stopped for less than 1=
0 minutes, maybe even up to 15 minutes, it will start right up and away I =
go. &nbsp;If it's longer than 15 minutes, say to go in the grocery store, =
then I've got some sort of vapor lock problem. &nbsp;I can still get it to=
 start, but it's barely running on 1-2 cylinders and it might take about a=
&nbsp;minute of it limping on 2 cylinders for it to get plenty of gas and =
rev up and I'm good to go.&nbsp; If it's roughly 30 mins or longer that I'=
m parked, then it's all good and starts right up.</div><div><br data-mce-b=
ogus=3D"1"></div><div>If I'm in a spot where I can coast it down hill, I c=
an pop the clutch and it clears out pretty quickly and away I go. &nbsp;I =
had an experience 2 years ago coming back from Triumphest in Arizona. &nbs=
p;With a few other Triumphs, we stopped to check out this cool church up o=
n the hill in Sedona. &nbsp;It was high 90 degrees. &nbsp;I didn't given i=
t any thought when I pulled into an angled parking slot, nose down, and a =
steep hill. &nbsp;We walked around and it was about 20+ minutes later ever=
yone was ready to go. &nbsp;Of course my car didn't start, and the others =
were already heading down the hill. &nbsp;While I don't recommend this, it=
 did work&nbsp;in a pinch. &nbsp;I have a&nbsp;new high torque starter and=
 I put it in reverse, and with the starter motor, I used it to back out of=
 the parking slot. &nbsp;Got the car pointed down hill and bump started it=
 and it cleared almost immediately and away I went to catch up.</div><div>=
<br></div><div class=3D"x-apple-signature">Rye<br>PH: 530-FIND-RYE</div><d=
iv><br>On July 26, 2019 at 3:08 PM, TERRY SMITH &lt;[email-masked]&gt=
; wrote:<br><br></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"msg-quo=
te"><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; =
color: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica=
,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">One last question on this.&nbsp; I wen=
t to a NH Fisher Cats baseball game last night.&nbsp; Thinking the car wou=
ld cool enough through the game, I switched off the manual override switch=
 on the electric fan.&nbsp; I came back after the 7th inning, and the car =
was starved for gas.&nbsp; Everytime I use the fan, car starts right up.&n=
bsp; So how long after shutdown might a "vapor lock" or that other thing R=
andall told me about but which I promptly forgot because, hey, it was comp=
licated, affect&nbsp; fuel delivery?????<br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12p=
t; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-styl=
e=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333=
333;"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sa=
ns-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family:=
 helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">Of course I had my daughter'=
s new mother-in-law in the car for a ride, who has a 25 year unused mid-en=
gine Porsche sitting in her garage, so embarrassment was max.&nbsp; <br></=
p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; co=
lor: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,a=
rial,sans-serif; color: #333333;"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; fon=
t-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D"f=
ont-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">=
Thoughts?<br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial=
,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fami=
ly: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;"><br></p><p style=3D"font-=
size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data=
-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; co=
lor: #333333;">Oh, and I found on driving with the fan in the "on" switch =
left my battery dead.&nbsp; So learned to only turn it on after shutdown t=
o cool the engine bay, since engine drive temp is perfect.&nbsp; <br></p><=
p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color=
: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,aria=
l,sans-serif; color: #333333;"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-f=
amily: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D"font=
-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">Any=
way, problem is solved with the electric fan, but how long can this "lock"=
 thing persist before re-start?&nbsp; Overnight, it always starts fine!<br=
></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif;=
 color: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetic=
a,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D=
"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;=
">Terry Smith, '59 TR3&nbsp; TS 58667<br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D=
"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;=
">New Hampshire<br></p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On July 24, 2019 at 9:38 =
PM TERRY SMITH &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote: <br> <br><p style=3D"fon=
t-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" da=
ta-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; =
color: #333333;">First, thank you Randall.&nbsp; I'd been experiencing a p=
roper temperature during driving, but upon shut down, the float bowls over=
heated and made restart chancy until the float bowls cleared.&nbsp; I inst=
alled a Spal Fan with a temp switch (with a manual override) not spliced t=
o the key, but to the battery.&nbsp; Drove on an errand, and my worry that=
 the fan woul impede airflow through the radiator was unrealized.&nbsp; Ca=
r ran at 180 perfectly.&nbsp; But imagine my surprise coming out of Wally =
World with a new gallon of Prestone coolant concentrate, then heard this r=
oaring sound coming from the car next to mine.&nbsp; Nope.&nbsp; It was fr=
om MY car.&nbsp; The engine bay on shut down had overheated and the temp s=
witch had kicked in like it was supposed to.&nbsp; The fan was cooling the=
 engine bay.&nbsp; Car started right up.&nbsp; Love it!<br></p><p style=3D=
"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;=
" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-ser=
if; color: #333333;"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: hel=
vetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12p=
t; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">Randall sugge=
sted putting a T connector in the heater return hose, but I did change tha=
t to put it under the heater control valve.&nbsp; See attached.&nbsp; I wo=
rried the temp switch would crowd coolant flow to the heater, but test dri=
ving the heater showed not an issue, at least yet.&nbsp; Good hot air comi=
ng out.&nbsp; (I couldn't completely swap the fan for the heater (forgoing=
 the heater control valve) because NH is spurious in its climate.&nbsp; I'=
ll need that heater come October.)&nbsp; Note:&nbsp; all connectors were 3=
/8ths NPT.&nbsp; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helveti=
ca,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; f=
ont-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;"><br></p><p style=3D=
"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;=
" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-ser=
if; color: #333333;">So again, thank you all.&nbsp; We're on pace for the =
hottest July on record.&nbsp; An electric cooling fan is exceedingly timel=
y.&nbsp; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial=
,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fami=
ly: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;"><br></p><p style=3D"font-=
size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data=
-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; co=
lor: #333333;">Car is completely sorted and running awesome.<br></p><p sty=
le=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #33=
3333;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,san=
s-serif; color: #333333;"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family=
: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size=
: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">Terry Sm=
ith, '59 TR3A<br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,a=
rial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-=
family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">New Hampshire<br></p>=
</blockquote><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,san=
s-serif; color: #333333;" class=3D"default-style" data-mce-style=3D"font-s=
ize: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;"><br>&=
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