Subject: Re: [TR] clutch issue

From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 18 May 2019 10:02:09 -0700

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Pretty common issue after a long sit.  There are a couple of ways to
introduce some 'shock & awe' to break it loose.  The simplest may be to put
the gearbox in gear, depress the clutch pedal and (with some open driveway
in front of you) hit the starter.

If that fails to do it the progress to more drastic solutions.

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 9:34 AM dave <[email-masked]> wrote:

> This is an mga, but I think the concept is the same.
>
>
>
> Car sat for 3 years and now the clutch doesn=E2=80=99t work.
>
>
>
> Could be clutch replacement but someone suggested that maybe the clutch
> and pressure plate have rusted together?  is there a way, short of pullin=
g
> it, to separate them?
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Pretty common issue after a long sit.=C2=A0 There are a co=
uple of ways to introduce some &#39;shock &amp; awe&#39; to break it loose.=
=C2=A0 The simplest may be to put the gearbox in gear, depress the clutch p=
edal and (with some open driveway in front of you) hit the starter.<div><br=
></div><div>If that fails to do it the progress to more drastic solutions.<=
/div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_a=
ttr">On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 9:34 AM dave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave@rantee=
r.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_2557481392=
575668871WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">This is an mga, but I think t=
he concept is the same.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Car sat for 3 years and now the clutch=
 doesn=E2=80=99t work.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Could be clutch replacement but someon=
e suggested that maybe the clutch and pressure plate have rusted together?=
=C2=A0 is there a way, short of pulling it, to separate them?<u></u><u></u>=
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 18 May 2019 11:17:53 -0700

Make sure it's not a hydraulic issue first.  According to Barney Gaylord,
MGA should get at least 1/2" motion at the slave (just like a TR)
https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/clutch/ct_101.htm

Conventional brake fluid gets old and corrosive, even just sitting in the
car without being driven.  So it's quite possible to suffer a hydraulic
failure while the car is parked.

Then my suggestion is to just drive it a bit, while holding the clutch pedal
down.  Start the engine and warm it up a bit in neutral, then shut it off
and shift to the appropriate gear.  Start it in gear, back out of the
driveway or whatever, shut the engine off to stop.  Put in 1st and start it
again; drive around the block if need be.

Last time it happened to me, I didn't even get out of the driveway before it
broke loose; worked fine after that.

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 

> 
> Car sat for 3 years and now the clutch doesn't work.
> 
>  
> 
> Could be clutch replacement but someone suggested that maybe 
> the clutch and pressure plate have rusted together?  is there 
> a way, short of pulling it, to separate them?
> 
>

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From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 07:58:55 -0400

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I have found that if the disk is actually rusted to the pressure plate, it
may be very difficult to make it release by the shock method. A three year
lay-up is a considerable amount of time - especially if mice have gotten in
there and made a mess. I have had better luck on some trucks and tractors by
removing the sheet metal flywheel cover underneath the bell housing and
freeing up the offending disk with a screwdriver or thin chisel while
someone has the clutch pedal pressed down. No inspection plate? I once used
a hole saw to make a 1.5" hole in the bottom of the clutch housing on a Ford
801 tractor that was equipped with a full frame loader. It was a major
chance I was taking between estimating the location of the flywheel/clutch
disk interface, not hitting any internal hydraulic lines, and not finding
that the tractor was equipped with a recessed -surface flywheel. It worked!
A lot easier than splitting the tractor. A '54 Chevy 6400 truck had the
sheet metal cover that I mentioned earlier and that was the real easy one.
In both cases, I tried the usual tricks of backing up against a tree, shock
shifting, etc. No luck with those attempts.

But, as other responders have mentioned, make sure that the clutch release
mechanism is working first. Sort of like rebuilding an engine to cure the
no-start situation just to find the fuel tank was dry.

Alex Thomson

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2019 12:35 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] clutch issue

Could be clutch replacement but someone suggested that maybe the clutch and
pressure plate have rusted together?  is there a way, short of pulling it,
to separate them?

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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I have =
found that if the disk is actually rusted to the pressure plate, it may =
be very difficult to make it release by the shock method. A three year =
lay-up is a considerable amount of time &#8211; especially if mice have =
gotten in there and made a mess. I have had better luck on some trucks =
and tractors by removing the sheet metal flywheel cover underneath the =
bell housing and freeing up the offending disk with a screwdriver or =
thin chisel while someone has the clutch pedal pressed down. No =
inspection plate? I once used a hole saw to make a 1.5&#8221; hole in =
the bottom of the clutch housing on a Ford 801 tractor that was equipped =
with a full frame loader. It was a major chance I was taking between =
estimating the location of the flywheel/clutch disk interface, not =
hitting any internal hydraulic lines, and not finding that the tractor =
was equipped with a recessed &#8211;surface flywheel. It worked! A lot =
easier than splitting the tractor. A &#8217;54 Chevy 6400 truck had the =
sheet metal cover that I mentioned earlier and that was the real easy =
one. In both cases, I tried the usual tricks of backing up against a =
tree, shock shifting, etc. No luck with those =
attempts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>But, as =
other responders have mentioned, make sure that the clutch release =
mechanism is working first. Sort of like rebuilding an engine to cure =
the no-start situation just to find the fuel tank was =
dry.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Alex =
Thomson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>dave<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 18, 2019 12:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] clutch =
issue<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>This is an =
mga, but I think the concept is the same.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Car sat for =
3 years and now the clutch doesn&#8217;t work.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Could be =
clutch replacement but someone suggested that maybe the clutch and =
pressure plate have rusted together?&nbsp; is there a way, short of =
pulling it, to separate them?<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>
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From: Greg Lemon <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 09:50:23 -0500

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I went through many years of never having this problems, but recently have
have several instances.  The one that is suggest as fool proof is starting
the car in gear if you can and running around on off throttle quickly until
it pops.  I never tried it for variety of reasons.  If you had a big open
parking lot you could use, guess it would be ok.

My BMW 2002 I bought with a stuck clutch didn't respond to anything and I
ended up pulling the tranny.  By the time I had muscled it out to drop it
the clutch disk just dropped out.

My TR250 has done it a couple times now after winter storage, and has been
pretty easy to pop.

Greg Lemon

On Sun, May 19, 2019, 6:59 AM Alex & Janet Thomson <[email-masked]=
wrote:

> I have found that if the disk is actually rusted to the pressure plate, i=
t
> may be very difficult to make it release by the shock method. A three yea=
r
> lay-up is a considerable amount of time =E2=80=93 especially if mice have=
 gotten in
> there and made a mess. I have had better luck on some trucks and tractors
> by removing the sheet metal flywheel cover underneath the bell housing an=
d
> someone has the clutch pedal pressed down. No inspection plate? I once us=
ed
> a hole saw to make a 1.5=E2=80=9D hole in the bottom of the clutch housin=
g on a
> Ford 801 tractor that was equipped with a full frame loader. It was a maj=
or
> chance I was taking between estimating the location of the flywheel/clutc=
h
> that the tractor was equipped with a recessed =E2=80=93surface flywheel. =
It worked!
> A lot easier than splitting the tractor. A =E2=80=9954 Chevy 6400 truck h=
ad the
> sheet metal cover that I mentioned earlier and that was the real easy one=
.
> In both cases, I tried the usual tricks of backing up against a tree, sho=
ck
> But, as other responders have mentioned, make sure that the clutch releas=
e
> *From:* Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] *On Behalf Of *
> dave
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 18, 2019 12:35 PM
> *To:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* [TR] clutch issue
>
>
>
g
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"auto">I went through many years of never having this problems, =
but recently have have several instances.=C2=A0 The one that is suggest as =
fool proof is starting the car in gear if you can and running around on off=
 throttle quickly until it pops.=C2=A0 I never tried it for variety of reas=
ons.=C2=A0 If you had a big open parking lot you could use, guess it would =
be ok.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">My BMW 2002=
 I bought with a stuck clutch didn&#39;t respond to anything and I ended up=
 pulling the tranny.=C2=A0 By the time I had muscled it out to drop it the =
clutch disk just dropped out.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"=
auto">My TR250 has done it a couple times now after winter storage, and has=
 been pretty easy to pop.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
">Greg Lemon</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, May 19, 2019, 6:59 AM=
 Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">al=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3D"m_-4=
566245426361564474WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:12.0pt;color:#1f497d">I have found that if the disk is actually rusted=
 to the pressure plate, it may be very difficult to make it release by the =
shock method. A three year lay-up is a considerable amount of time =E2=80=
=93 especially if mice have gotten in there and made a mess. I have had bet=
ter luck on some trucks and tractors by removing the sheet metal flywheel c=
over underneath the bell housing and freeing up the offending disk with a s=
crewdriver or thin chisel while someone has the clutch pedal pressed down. =
No inspection plate? I once used a hole saw to make a 1.5=E2=80=9D hole in =
the bottom of the clutch housing on a Ford 801 tractor that was equipped wi=
th a full frame loader. It was a major chance I was taking between estimati=
ng the location of the flywheel/clutch disk interface, not hitting any inte=
rnal hydraulic lines, and not finding that the tractor was equipped with a =
recessed =E2=80=93surface flywheel. It worked! A lot easier than splitting =
the tractor. A =E2=80=9954 Chevy 6400 truck had the sheet metal cover that =
I mentioned earlier and that was the real easy one. In both cases, I tried =
the usual tricks of backing up against a tree, shock shifting, etc. No luck=
 with those attempts.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1f497d">But, as =
other responders have mentioned, make sure that the clutch release mechanis=
m is working first. Sort of like rebuilding an engine to cure the no-start =
situation just to find the fuel tank was dry.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt=
;color:#1f497d">Alex Thomson<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>=
</p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3=
.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;"> Triumphs [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>=
] <b>On Behalf Of </b>dave<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 18, 2019 12:35 PM<=
br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] clut=
ch issue<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">This is an mga, but I think the con=
cept is the same.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Car sat for 3 years and now the clutch doesn=
=E2=80=99t work.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Could be clutch replacement but someone sugges=
ted that maybe the clutch and pressure plate have rusted together?=C2=A0 is=
 there a way, short of pulling it, to separate them?<u></u><u></u></p></div=
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