Subject: [TR] Is the worm mightier than the peg?

From: "Art McEwen" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 15:25:23 -0400

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I've told myself I'm going to eliminate the play from my steering box this season. I've already got a new rockershaft with peg, I'm hoping/wishing based on the parts price that the peg is the part that wears (along with the bushing) and that the worm cam is made of harder stuff?

Is that what others have found?

Thanks

TR3A

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From: Stan Foster <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 19:51:36 +0000

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I believe that yes, the peg is the bit that wears the fastest and can be ro=
tated to allow a non-worn surface to engage with the worm gear.

Stan

From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Art McEwen
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 3:25 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] Is the worm mightier than the peg?

I've told myself I'm going to eliminate the play from my steering box this =
season.   I've already got a new rockershaft with peg,  I'm hoping/wishing =
based on the parts price that the peg is the part that wears (along with th=
e bushing) and that the worm cam is made of harder stuff?

Thanks

TR3A

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I believe that yes, the peg is the bit that wears th=
e fastest and can be rotated to allow a non-worn surface to engage with the=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Stan<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]=
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</b>Art McEwen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 14, 2019 3:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [TR] Is the worm mightier than the peg?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I've told myself I'm going to eliminate the play fro=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Is that what others have found?<o:p></o:p></p>
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The peg no doubt wears quicker, but the worm still wears=2E
The one in my TR3A was worn in the center until there were two tight spots=
, one on each side (and it was still loose in the middle) even with a new p=
eg=2E
-- Randall

On 14 May 2019 12:25:23 GMT-07:00, Art McEwen <amcewen2@cogeco=2Eca> wrote=
:
>I've told myself I'm going to eliminate the play from my steering box
>this season=2E I've already got a new rockershaft with peg, I'm
>hoping/wishing based on the parts price that the peg is the part that
>wears (along with the bushing) and that the worm cam is made of harder
>stuff?
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with a new peg=2E<br>-- Randall<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 14 May=
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From: TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 20:12:11 -0400 (EDT)

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For what it's worth, I rebuilt the box a few years back.  Only real complicated part seemed to be getting the worm on the steering rod.  Machine shop did that.  

Terry

> On May 14, 2019 at 4:11 PM Randall <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
>     The peg no doubt wears quicker, but the worm still wears.
>     The one in my TR3A was worn in the center until there were two tight spots, one on each side (and it was still loose in the middle) even with a new peg.
>     -- Randall
> 
>     On 14 May 2019 12:25:23 GMT-07:00, Art McEwen <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 

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ox a few years back.&#160; Only real complicated part seemed to be getting =
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<br>The one in my TR3A was worn in the center until there were two tight sp=
ots, one on each side (and it was still loose in the middle) even with a ne=
w peg. <br>-- Randall <br> <br><div class=3D"ox-1567c815ca-gmail_quote">On =
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m my steering box this season.&#160; &#160;I&#39;ve already got a new rocke=
rshaft with peg,&#160; I&#39;m hoping/wishing based on the parts price that=
 the peg is the part that wears (along with the bushing) and that the worm =
cam is made of harder stuff?<div><br></div><div>Is that what others have fo=
und?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div><br></div><div>TR3A</div></b=
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From: TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 21:41:10 -0400 (EDT)

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Okay, so I was wrong.  I thought the intermittent engine miss on the TR3 had to do with a dislodged damper on the forward carb.  Test drive said no, engine still stumbled, cleared, stumbled again.  Changed fuel filters out because they were due anyway.  Problem persisted.  Checked the floats movements, all fine.  Problem persisted.  Finally just swapped the carbs entirely with spares that I knew worked, problem persisted.  So...not fuel.  If it were valves, it wouldn't be intermittent, unless a valve were sticking, right?  

Next up assumption is it's electrical.  Swapped the distributor, wires and rotor with spares I knew worked.  Problem persisted.  Checked for potential electrical shorts.  Nothing obvious.  Yeesh!

I run a Pertronix.  Went online and read about Pertronix troubleshooting.  Piece I read mentioned that the trigger magnet that spins on the rotor can come loose and affect the timing.  I checked this and LO!  The trigger magnet is indeed loose.  I seem to remember when I put it on some eight or nine years ago, that it went on tight.  But it now wiggles about an eighth of an inch back and forth, maybe a bit more.  

So question.  Do I remember correctly, it's supposed to be tight?  And second, what would cause it to come loose over time?

I know it could still be a sticking valve, but this first.  Thanks, everyone for patience with this long message.

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A

New Hampshire
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rif;color:#333333;" class=3D"default-style">Okay, so I was wrong.&#160; I t=
hought the intermittent engine miss on the TR3 had to do with a dislodged d=
amper on the forward carb.&#160; Test drive said no, engine still stumbled,=
 cleared, stumbled again.&#160; Changed fuel filters out because they were =
due anyway.&#160; Problem persisted.&#160; Checked the floats movements, al=
l fine.&#160; Problem persisted.&#160; Finally just swapped the carbs entir=
ely with spares that I knew worked, problem persisted.&#160; So...not fuel.=
&#160; If it were valves, it wouldn&#39;t be intermittent, unless a valve w=
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3333;" class=3D"default-style">Next up assumption is it&#39;s electrical.&#=
160; Swapped the distributor, wires and rotor with spares I knew worked.&#1=
60; Problem persisted.&#160; Checked for potential electrical shorts.&#160;=
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33;" class=3D"default-style">I run a Pertronix.&#160; Went online and read =
about Pertronix troubleshooting.&#160; Piece I read mentioned that the trig=
ger magnet that spins on the rotor can come loose and affect the timing.&#1=
60; I checked this and LO!&#160; The trigger magnet is indeed loose.&#160;&=
#160;I seem to remember when I put it on some eight or nine years ago, that=
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 and forth, maybe a bit more.&#160;&#160;</p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;fon=
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color:#333333;" class=3D"default-style">So question.&#160; Do I remember co=
rrectly, it&#39;s supposed to be tight?&#160; And second, what would cause =
it to come loose over time?</p><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helve=
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yle=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#333333;=
" class=3D"default-style">I know it could still be a sticking valve, but th=
is first.&#160; Thanks, everyone for patience with this long message.</p><p=
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Well, maybe=2E Is it loose on the point can? Or does the point cam just tur=
n back and forth a bit?
Or does the whole mess move side to side?

It normal for the point cam to be able to turn slightly=2E But there shoul=
d be no side to side play; and the plastic piece should be tight on the poi=
nt cam=2E

Side play is usually a sign of wear in the shaft bushing=2E If the plastic=
 piece is loose, its probably just time, heat and vibration vs cheap plasti=
c=2E
-- Randall

On 15 May 2019 18:41:10 GMT-07:00, TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast=2Enet> wro=
te:
>Okay, so I was wrong=2E  I thought the intermittent engine miss on the
>TR3 had to do with a dislodged damper on the forward carb=2E  Test drive
>said no, engine still stumbled, cleared, stumbled again=2E  Changed fuel
>filters out because they were due anyway=2E  Problem persisted=2E  Checke=
d
>the floats movements, all fine=2E  Problem persisted=2E  Finally just
>swapped the carbs entirely with spares that I knew worked, problem
>persisted=2E  So=2E=2E=2Enot fuel=2E  If it were valves, it wouldn't be
>intermittent, unless a valve were sticking, right? =20
>
>
>Next up assumption is it's electrical=2E  Swapped the distributor, wires
>and rotor with spares I knew worked=2E  Problem persisted=2E  Checked for
>potential electrical shorts=2E  Nothing obvious=2E  Yeesh!
>
>
>I run a Pertronix=2E  Went online and read about Pertronix
>troubleshooting=2E  Piece I read mentioned that the trigger magnet that
>spins on the rotor can come loose and affect the timing=2E  I checked
>this and LO!  The trigger magnet is indeed loose=2E  I seem to remember
>when I put it on some eight or nine years ago, that it went on tight=2E=
=20
>But it now wiggles about an eighth of an inch back and forth, maybe a
>bit more=2E =20
>
>
>So question=2E  Do I remember correctly, it's supposed to be tight?  And
>second, what would cause it to come loose over time?
>
>
>I know it could still be a sticking valve, but this first=2E  Thanks,
>everyone for patience with this long message=2E
>
>
>Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
>
>New Hampshire

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</head><body>Well, maybe=2E Is it loose on the point can? Or does the poin=
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o side?<br><br>It normal for the point cam to be able to turn slightly=2E B=
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, stumbled again=2E&nbsp; Changed fuel filters out because they were due an=
yway=2E&nbsp; Problem persisted=2E&nbsp; Checked the floats movements, all =
fine=2E&nbsp; Problem persisted=2E&nbsp; Finally just swapped the carbs ent=
irely with spares that I knew worked, problem persisted=2E&nbsp; So=2E=2E=
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s indeed loose=2E&nbsp;&nbsp;I seem to remember when I put it on some eight=
 or nine years ago, that it went on tight=2E&nbsp; But it now wiggles about=
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:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#333333;" class=3D"default-style">So ques=
tion=2E&nbsp; Do I remember correctly, it's supposed to be tight?&nbsp; And=
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From: "Kinderlehrer" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 19:54:12 -0700

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I=E2=80=99ve had 2 of them fail with the magnets in the collar getting =
all askew. Doesn=E2=80=99t run well like that.

=20

Bob

=20

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
Randall
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:45 PM
To: TERRY SMITH; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] Pertronix Failure?

=20

Well, maybe. Is it loose on the point can? Or does the point cam just =
turn back and forth a bit?
Or does the whole mess move side to side?

It normal for the point cam to be able to turn slightly. But there =
should be no side to side play; and the plastic piece should be tight on =
the point cam.

Side play is usually a sign of wear in the shaft bushing. If the plastic =
piece is loose, its probably just time, heat and vibration vs cheap =
plastic.
-- Randall

On 15 May 2019 18:41:10 GMT-07:00, TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

Okay, so I was wrong.  I thought the intermittent engine miss on the TR3 =
had to do with a dislodged damper on the forward carb.  Test drive said =
no, engine still stumbled, cleared, stumbled again.  Changed fuel =
filters out because they were due anyway.  Problem persisted.  Checked =
the floats movements, all fine.  Problem persisted.  Finally just =
swapped the carbs entirely with spares that I knew worked, problem =
persisted.  So...not fuel.  If it were valves, it wouldn't be =
intermittent, unless a valve were sticking, right? =20

=20

Next up assumption is it's electrical.  Swapped the distributor, wires =
and rotor with spares I knew worked.  Problem persisted.  Checked for =
potential electrical shorts.  Nothing obvious.  Yeesh!

=20

I run a Pertronix.  Went online and read about Pertronix =
troubleshooting.  Piece I read mentioned that the trigger magnet that =
spins on the rotor can come loose and affect the timing.  I checked this =
and LO!  The trigger magnet is indeed loose.  I seem to remember when I =
put it on some eight or nine years ago, that it went on tight.  But it =
now wiggles about an eighth of an inch back and forth, maybe a bit more. =
=20

=20

So question.  Do I remember correctly, it's supposed to be tight?  And =
second, what would cause it to come loose over time?

=20

I know it could still be a sticking valve, but this first.  Thanks, =
everyone for patience with this long message.

=20

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A

New Hampshire

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getting all askew. Doesn=E2=80=99t run well like =
that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Randall<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:45 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> TERRY SMITH; [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [TR] Pertronix Failure?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Well, maybe. Is it loose on the point =
can? Or does the point cam just turn back and forth a bit?<br>Or does =
the whole mess move side to side?<br><br>It normal for the point cam to =
be able to turn slightly. But there should be no side to side play; and =
the plastic piece should be tight on the point cam.<br><br>Side play is =
usually a sign of wear in the shaft bushing. If the plastic piece is =
loose, its probably just time, heat and vibration vs cheap =
plastic.<br>-- Randall<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 15 May =
2019 18:41:10 GMT-07:00, TERRY SMITH &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Okay, so I =
was wrong.&nbsp; I thought the intermittent engine miss on the TR3 had =
to do with a dislodged damper on the forward carb.&nbsp; Test drive said =
no, engine still stumbled, cleared, stumbled again.&nbsp; Changed fuel =
filters out because they were due anyway.&nbsp; Problem persisted.&nbsp; =
Checked the floats movements, all fine.&nbsp; Problem persisted.&nbsp; =
Finally just swapped the carbs entirely with spares that I knew worked, =
problem persisted.&nbsp; So...not fuel.&nbsp; If it were valves, it =
wouldn't be intermittent, unless a valve were sticking, =
right?&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Next up =
assumption is it's electrical.&nbsp; Swapped the distributor, wires and =
rotor with spares I knew worked.&nbsp; Problem persisted.&nbsp; Checked =
for potential electrical shorts.&nbsp; Nothing obvious.&nbsp; =
Yeesh!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>I run a =
Pertronix.&nbsp; Went online and read about Pertronix =
troubleshooting.&nbsp; Piece I read mentioned that the trigger magnet =
that spins on the rotor can come loose and affect the timing.&nbsp; I =
checked this and LO!&nbsp; The trigger magnet is indeed =
loose.&nbsp;&nbsp;I seem to remember when I put it on some eight or nine =
years ago, that it went on tight.&nbsp; But it now wiggles about an =
eighth of an inch back and forth, maybe a bit =
more.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>So =
question.&nbsp; Do I remember correctly, it's supposed to be =
tight?&nbsp; And second, what would cause it to come loose over =
time?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>I know it =
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for patience with this long message.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Ddefault-style><span =
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/o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Terry =
Smith, '59 TR3A<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Ddefault-style><span =
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Yep, Randall.  The plastic piece that rides on the distributor cam plays side to side.  I suspect that you're right, the heat and vibration wore the plastic.

> On May 15, 2019 at 10:45 PM Randall <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
>     Well, maybe. Is it loose on the point can? Or does the point cam just turn back and forth a bit?
>     It normal for the point cam to be able to turn slightly. But there should be no side to side play; and the plastic piece should be tight on the point cam.
> 
>     Side play is usually a sign of wear in the shaft bushing. If the plastic piece is loose, its probably just time, heat and vibration vs cheap plastic.
>     -- Randall
> 
>     On 15 May 2019 18:41:10 GMT-07:00, TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
>         > > 

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l &#60;[email-masked]&#62; wrote: <br> <br>Well, maybe. Is it loose on=
 the point can? Or does the point cam just turn back and forth a bit? <br>O=
r does the whole mess move side to side? <br> <br>It normal for the point c=
am to be able to turn slightly. But there should be no side to side play; a=
nd the plastic piece should be tight on the point cam. <br> <br>Side play i=
s usually a sign of wear in the shaft bushing. If the plastic piece is loos=
e, its probably just time, heat and vibration vs cheap plastic. <br>-- Rand=
all <br> <br><div class=3D"ox-562eed7e19-gmail_quote">On 15 May 2019 18:41:=
10 GMT-07:00, TERRY SMITH &#60;[email-masked]&#62; wrote:<blockquote><=
p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color:=
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bled, cleared, stumbled again.&#160; Changed fuel filters out because they =
were due anyway.&#160; Problem persisted.&#160; Checked the floats movement=
s, all fine.&#160; Problem persisted.&#160; Finally just swapped the carbs =
entirely with spares that I knew worked, problem persisted.&#160; So...not =
fuel.&#160; If it were valves, it wouldn&#39;t be intermittent, unless a va=
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t-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" cla=
ss=3D"ox-562eed7e19-default-style">I run a Pertronix.&#160; Went online and=
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e trigger magnet that spins on the rotor can come loose and affect the timi=
ng.&#160; I checked this and LO!&#160; The trigger magnet is indeed loose.&=
#160;&#160;I seem to remember when I put it on some eight or nine years ago=
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<p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color=
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=3D"ox-562eed7e19-default-style">I know it could still be a sticking valve,=
 but this first.&#160; Thanks, everyone for patience with this long message=
.</p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; =
color: #333333;" class=3D"ox-562eed7e19-default-style"><br></p><p style=3D"=
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Thanks, Bob.  That's my read as well.  I'll report if the replacement I've =
ordered from BP North doesn't fix it.

> On May 15, 2019 at 10:54 PM Kinderlehrer <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>=20
>=20
>     I=E2=80=99ve had 2 of them fail with the magnets in the collar gettin=
g all askew. Doesn=E2=80=99t run well like that.
Randall
>     Well, maybe. Is it loose on the point can? Or does the point cam just=
>     It normal for the point cam to be able to turn slightly. But there sh=
ould be no side to side play; and the plastic piece should be tight on the =
point cam.
>=20
>     Side play is usually a sign of wear in the shaft bushing. If the plas=
tic piece is loose, its probably just time, heat and vibration vs cheap pla=
stic.
>     -- Randall
>=20
>     On 15 May 2019 18:41:10 GMT-07:00, TERRY SMITH <[email-masked] m=
ailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
>=20
>     Okay, so I was wrong.  I thought the intermittent engine miss on the =
TR3 had to do with a dislodged damper on the forward carb.  Test drive said=
 no, engine still stumbled, cleared, stumbled again.  Changed fuel filters =
out because they were due anyway.  Problem persisted.  Checked the floats m=
ovements, all fine.  Problem persisted.  Finally just swapped the carbs ent=
irely with spares that I knew worked, problem persisted.  So...not fuel.  I=
f it were valves, it wouldn't be intermittent, unless a valve were sticking=
, right? =20
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     Next up assumption is it's electrical.  Swapped the distributor, wire=
s and rotor with spares I knew worked.  Problem persisted.  Checked for pot=
ential electrical shorts.  Nothing obvious.  Yeesh!
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     I run a Pertronix.  Went online and read about Pertronix troubleshoot=
ing.  Piece I read mentioned that the trigger magnet that spins on the roto=
r can come loose and affect the timing.  I checked this and LO!  The trigge=
r magnet is indeed loose.  I seem to remember when I put it on some eight o=
r nine years ago, that it went on tight.  But it now wiggles about an eight=
h of an inch back and forth, maybe a bit more. =20
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     So question.  Do I remember correctly, it's supposed to be tight?  An=
d second, what would cause it to come loose over time?
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     I know it could still be a sticking valve, but this first.  Thanks, e=
veryone for patience with this long message.

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 well.&#160; I&#39;ll report if the replacement I&#39;ve ordered from BP No=
rth doesn&#39;t fix it.</p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 15, 2019 at 10:=
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x-7c23cf25df-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Cal=
ibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7c23=
cf25df-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',=
'sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Bob </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7c23cf25df-Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-seri=
f'; color: #1f497d;"> &#160; </span></p><div><div style=3D"border: none; bo=
rder-top: solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"ox-=
7c23cf25df-MsoNormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family=
: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></strong><span style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounc=
[email-masked]] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Randall<br><strong>Sent:</=
strong> Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:45 PM<br><strong>To:</strong> TERRY SMITH=
; [email-masked]<br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TR] Pertronix F=
ailure? </span></p></div></div><p class=3D"ox-7c23cf25df-MsoNormal">&#160;<=
/p><p class=3D"ox-7c23cf25df-MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">We=
ll, maybe. Is it loose on the point can? Or does the point cam just turn ba=
ck and forth a bit?<br>Or does the whole mess move side to side?<br><br>It =
normal for the point cam to be able to turn slightly. But there should be n=
o side to side play; and the plastic piece should be tight on the point cam=
.<br><br>Side play is usually a sign of wear in the shaft bushing. If the p=
lastic piece is loose, its probably just time, heat and vibration vs cheap =
plastic.<br>-- Randall</p><div><p class=3D"ox-7c23cf25df-MsoNormal">On 15 M=
ay 2019 18:41:10 GMT-07:00, TERRY SMITH &#60;<a href=3D"mailto:terryrs@comc=
ast.net">[email-masked]</a>&#62; wrote:</p><p class=3D"ox-7c23cf25df-d=
efault-style"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: =
#333333;">Okay, so I was wrong.&#160; I thought the intermittent engine mis=
s on the TR3 had to do with a dislodged damper on the forward carb.&#160; T=
est drive said no, engine still stumbled, cleared, stumbled again.&#160; Ch=
anged fuel filters out because they were due anyway.&#160; Problem persiste=
d.&#160; Checked the floats movements, all fine.&#160; Problem persisted.&#=
160; Finally just swapped the carbs entirely with spares that I knew worked=
, problem persisted.&#160; So...not fuel.&#160; If it were valves, it would=
n&#39;t be intermittent, unless a valve were sticking, right?&#160;&#160; <=
/span></p><p class=3D"ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"font-fami=
ly: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=
=3D"ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','s=
ans-serif'; color: #333333;">Next up assumption is it&#39;s electrical.&#16=
0; Swapped the distributor, wires and rotor with spares I knew worked.&#160=
; Problem persisted.&#160; Checked for potential electrical shorts.&#160; N=
othing obvious.&#160; Yeesh! </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7c23cf25df-default-s=
tyle"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;=
"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=
=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;">I run a Pertron=
ix.&#160; Went online and read about Pertronix troubleshooting.&#160; Piece=
 I read mentioned that the trigger magnet that spins on the rotor can come =
loose and affect the timing.&#160; I checked this and LO!&#160; The trigger=
 magnet is indeed loose.&#160;&#160;I seem to remember when I put it on som=
e eight or nine years ago, that it went on tight.&#160; But it now wiggles =
about an eighth of an inch back and forth, maybe a bit more.&#160;&#160; </=
span></p><p class=3D"ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=
=3D"ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','s=
ans-serif'; color: #333333;">So question.&#160; Do I remember correctly, it=
&#39;s supposed to be tight?&#160; And second, what would cause it to come =
loose over time? </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span =
style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;"> &#160; </=
span></p><p class=3D"ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;">I know it could still be a st=
icking valve, but this first.&#160; Thanks, everyone for patience with this=
 long message. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span st=
yle=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;"> &#160; </sp=
an></p><p class=3D"ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;">Terry Smith, &#39;59 TR3A </spa=
n></p><p class=3D"ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"font-family: =
'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;">New Hampshire </span></p></div><=
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I always refer distributor issues to Jeff at Advanced Distributors.  He kno=
ws distributors for British cars like no one else.  His work and rebuilds a=
re perfect.  Either points or Pertronix.

I don't have direct contact info handy, but Advanced Distributors is easy t=
o find. =20

Thanks for sharing what you have found.  I'll check mine asap.  I've been w=
anting to send Jeff a couple distributors to have a couple spares, one poin=
ts and one Pertronix.  I also have 2 other cars that will need fresh distri=
butors eventually. =20

Dave H.

> On May 15, 2019 at 7:57 PM TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>     Thanks, Bob.  That's my read as well.  I'll report if the replacement=
 I've ordered from BP North doesn't fix it.
>=20
>         > > On May 15, 2019 at 10:54 PM Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer@comcas=
t.net> wrote:
> >=20
> >=20
> >         I=E2=80=99ve had 2 of them fail with the magnets in the collar =
getting all askew. Doesn=E2=80=99t run well like that.
> >=20
> >         =20
> >=20
> >         Bob
> >=20
> >         =20
> >=20
> >         From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Beha=
lf Of Randall
> >         Well, maybe. Is it loose on the point can? Or does the point ca=
m just turn back and forth a bit?
> >         It normal for the point cam to be able to turn slightly. But th=
ere should be no side to side play; and the plastic piece should be tight o=
n the point cam.
> >=20
> >         Side play is usually a sign of wear in the shaft bushing. If th=
e plastic piece is loose, its probably just time, heat and vibration vs che=
ap plastic.
> >         -- Randall
> >=20
> >         On 15 May 2019 18:41:10 GMT-07:00, TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast=
.net mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
> >=20
> >         Okay, so I was wrong.  I thought the intermittent engine miss o=
n the TR3 had to do with a dislodged damper on the forward carb.  Test driv=
e said no, engine still stumbled, cleared, stumbled again.  Changed fuel fi=
lters out because they were due anyway.  Problem persisted.  Checked the fl=
oats movements, all fine.  Problem persisted.  Finally just swapped the car=
bs entirely with spares that I knew worked, problem persisted.  So...not fu=
el.  If it were valves, it wouldn't be intermittent, unless a valve were st=
icking, right? =20
> >=20
> >         =20
> >=20
> >         Next up assumption is it's electrical.  Swapped the distributor=
, wires and rotor with spares I knew worked.  Problem persisted.  Checked f=
or potential electrical shorts.  Nothing obvious.  Yeesh!
> >=20
> >         =20
> >=20
> >         I run a Pertronix.  Went online and read about Pertronix troubl=
eshooting.  Piece I read mentioned that the trigger magnet that spins on th=
e rotor can come loose and affect the timing.  I checked this and LO!  The =
trigger magnet is indeed loose.  I seem to remember when I put it on some e=
ight or nine years ago, that it went on tight.  But it now wiggles about an=
 eighth of an inch back and forth, maybe a bit more. =20
> >=20
> >         =20
> >=20
> >         So question.  Do I remember correctly, it's supposed to be tigh=
t?  And second, what would cause it to come loose over time?
> >=20
> >         =20
> >=20
> >         I know it could still be a sticking valve, but this first.  Tha=
nks, everyone for patience with this long message.

=20

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rchive
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</head><body><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sa=
ns-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">I always refer distributor issues to Jef=
f at Advanced Distributors.&#160; He knows distributors for British cars li=
ke no one else.&#160; His work and rebuilds are perfect.&#160; Either point=
s or Pertronix.</p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, ari=
al, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">I don&#39;t have direct contact in=
fo handy, but Advanced Distributors is easy to find.&#160;&#160;</p><p styl=
e=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb=
(51, 51, 51);">Thanks for sharing what you have found.&#160; I&#39;ll check=
 mine asap.&#160; I&#39;ve been wanting to send Jeff a couple distributors =
to have a couple spares, one points and one Pertronix.&#160; I also have 2 =
other cars that will need fresh distributors eventually.&#160;&#160;</p><p =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color:=
 rgb(51, 51, 51);">Dave H.</p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 15, 2019 at =
7:57 PM TERRY SMITH &#60;[email-masked]&#62; wrote: <br> <br><p style=
=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: #333=
333;">Thanks, Bob.&#160; That&#39;s my read as well.&#160; I&#39;ll report =
if the replacement I&#39;ve ordered from BP North doesn&#39;t fix it.</p><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite">On May 15, 2019 at 10:54 PM Kinderlehrer &#60;kinde=
[email-masked]&#62; wrote: <br> <br><div class=3D"ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c2=
3cf25df-WordSection1"><p class=3D"ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:=
 #1f497d;">I&#8217;ve had 2 of them fail with the magnets in the collar get=
ting all askew. Doesn&#8217;t run well like that. </span></p><p class=3D"ox=
-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font=
-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> &#160; </span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0=
pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Bob </span></p><p=
 class=3D"ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: =
11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> &#160; </spa=
n></p><div><div style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt; pad=
ding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-MsoNormal=
"><strong><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-ser=
if';">From:</span></strong><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: '=
Tahoma','sans-serif';"> Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <=
strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Randall<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, M=
ay 15, 2019 7:45 PM<br><strong>To:</strong> TERRY SMITH; [email-masked]=
m.net<br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TR] Pertronix Failure? </span></p><=
/div></div><p class=3D"ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p =
class=3D"ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.=
0pt;">Well, maybe. Is it loose on the point can? Or does the point cam just=
 turn back and forth a bit?<br>Or does the whole mess move side to side?<br=
><br>It normal for the point cam to be able to turn slightly. But there sho=
uld be no side to side play; and the plastic piece should be tight on the p=
oint cam.<br><br>Side play is usually a sign of wear in the shaft bushing. =
If the plastic piece is loose, its probably just time, heat and vibration v=
s cheap plastic.<br>-- Randall</p><div><p class=3D"ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf2=
5df-MsoNormal">On 15 May 2019 18:41:10 GMT-07:00, TERRY SMITH &#60;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&#62; wrote:</p><p c=
lass=3D"ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"font-fami=
ly: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;">Okay, so I was wrong.&#160; =
I thought the intermittent engine miss on the TR3 had to do with a dislodge=
d damper on the forward carb.&#160; Test drive said no, engine still stumbl=
ed, cleared, stumbled again.&#160; Changed fuel filters out because they we=
re due anyway.&#160; Problem persisted.&#160; Checked the floats movements,=
 all fine.&#160; Problem persisted.&#160; Finally just swapped the carbs en=
tirely with spares that I knew worked, problem persisted.&#160; So...not fu=
el.&#160; If it were valves, it wouldn&#39;t be intermittent, unless a valv=
e were sticking, right?&#160;&#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-dae86b1d70-ox=
-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-se=
rif'; color: #333333;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23=
cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif';=
 color: #333333;">Next up assumption is it&#39;s electrical.&#160; Swapped =
the distributor, wires and rotor with spares I knew worked.&#160; Problem p=
ersisted.&#160; Checked for potential electrical shorts.&#160; Nothing obvi=
ous.&#160; Yeesh! </span></p><p class=3D"ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-defaul=
t-style"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #3333=
33;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-default-sty=
le"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;">=
I run a Pertronix.&#160; Went online and read about Pertronix troubleshooti=
ng.&#160; Piece I read mentioned that the trigger magnet that spins on the =
rotor can come loose and affect the timing.&#160; I checked this and LO!&#1=
60; The trigger magnet is indeed loose.&#160;&#160;I seem to remember when =
I put it on some eight or nine years ago, that it went on tight.&#160; But =
it now wiggles about an eighth of an inch back and forth, maybe a bit more.=
&#160;&#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-default-sty=
le"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;">=
 &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><=
span style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;">So qu=
estion.&#160; Do I remember correctly, it&#39;s supposed to be tight?&#160;=
 And second, what would cause it to come loose over time? </span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"font-family=
: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D=
"ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"font-family: 'He=
lvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;">I know it could still be a sticking=
 valve, but this first.&#160; Thanks, everyone for patience with this long =
message. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-default-style">=
<span style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;"> &#1=
60; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span=
 style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;">Terry Smi=
th, &#39;59 TR3A </span></p><p class=3D"ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-default=
-style"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #33333=
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Hi, Dave.  Yes, he did the rebuild on the 25D dizzy I'm running now.  It's =
a points distributor with a Pertronix modification, so luckily don't have t=
o deal with the entire distributor.  And agree, he does good work. =20

> On May 15, 2019 at 11:55 PM DAVE HOGYE <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>     I always refer distributor issues to Jeff at Advanced Distributors.  =
He knows distributors for British cars like no one else.  His work and rebu=
ilds are perfect.  Either points or Pertronix.
>=20
>     I don't have direct contact info handy, but Advanced Distributors is =
easy to find. =20
>=20
>     Thanks for sharing what you have found.  I'll check mine asap.  I've =
been wanting to send Jeff a couple distributors to have a couple spares, on=
e points and one Pertronix.  I also have 2 other cars that will need fresh =
distributors eventually. =20
>=20
>     Dave H.
>=20
>         > > On May 15, 2019 at 7:57 PM TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
> >=20
> >=20
> >         Thanks, Bob.  That's my read as well.  I'll report if the repla=
cement I've ordered from BP North doesn't fix it.
> >=20
> >             > > > On May 15, 2019 at 10:54 PM Kinderlehrer <kinderlehre=
[email-masked]> wrote:
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >             I=E2=80=99ve had 2 of them fail with the magnets in the c=
ollar getting all askew. Doesn=E2=80=99t run well like that.
> > >=20
> > >             =20
> > >=20
> > >             Bob
> > >=20
> > >             =20
> > >=20
> > >             From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] O=
n Behalf Of Randall
> > >             Well, maybe. Is it loose on the point can? Or does the po=
int cam just turn back and forth a bit?
> > >             It normal for the point cam to be able to turn slightly. =
But there should be no side to side play; and the plastic piece should be t=
ight on the point cam.
> > >=20
> > >             Side play is usually a sign of wear in the shaft bushing.=
 If the plastic piece is loose, its probably just time, heat and vibration =
vs cheap plastic.
> > >             -- Randall
> > >=20
> > >             On 15 May 2019 18:41:10 GMT-07:00, TERRY SMITH <terryrs@c=
omcast.net mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
> > >=20
> > >             Okay, so I was wrong.  I thought the intermittent engine =
miss on the TR3 had to do with a dislodged damper on the forward carb.  Tes=
t drive said no, engine still stumbled, cleared, stumbled again.  Changed f=
uel filters out because they were due anyway.  Problem persisted.  Checked =
the floats movements, all fine.  Problem persisted.  Finally just swapped t=
he carbs entirely with spares that I knew worked, problem persisted.  So...=
not fuel.  If it were valves, it wouldn't be intermittent, unless a valve w=
ere sticking, right? =20
> > >=20
> > >             =20
> > >=20
> > >             Next up assumption is it's electrical.  Swapped the distr=
ibutor, wires and rotor with spares I knew worked.  Problem persisted.  Che=
cked for potential electrical shorts.  Nothing obvious.  Yeesh!
> > >             I run a Pertronix.  Went online and read about Pertronix =
troubleshooting.  Piece I read mentioned that the trigger magnet that spins=
 on the rotor can come loose and affect the timing.  I checked this and LO!=
  The trigger magnet is indeed loose.  I seem to remember when I put it on =
some eight or nine years ago, that it went on tight.  But it now wiggles ab=
out an eighth of an inch back and forth, maybe a bit more. =20
> > >=20
> > >             =20
> > >=20
> > >             So question.  Do I remember correctly, it's supposed to b=
e tight?  And second, what would cause it to come loose over time?
> > >=20
> > >             =20
> > >=20
> > >             I know it could still be a sticking valve, but this first=
.  Thanks, everyone for patience with this long message.
> >         Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team=
.net/archive
> >=20
> >         Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/trium=
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ns-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Hi, Dave.&#160; Yes, he did the rebuild =
on the 25D dizzy I&#39;m running now.&#160; It&#39;s a points distributor w=
ith a Pertronix modification, so luckily don&#39;t have to deal with the en=
tire distributor.&#160; And agree, he does good work.&#160;&#160;</p><block=
quote type=3D"cite">On May 15, 2019 at 11:55 PM DAVE HOGYE &#60;dlhogye@com=
cast.net&#62; wrote: <br> <br><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: hel=
vetica, arial, sans-serif; color: #333333;">I always refer distributor issu=
es to Jeff at Advanced Distributors.&#160; He knows distributors for Britis=
h cars like no one else.&#160; His work and rebuilds are perfect.&#160; Eit=
her points or Pertronix.</p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helve=
tica, arial, sans-serif; color: #333333;">I don&#39;t have direct contact i=
nfo handy, but Advanced Distributors is easy to find.&#160;&#160;</p><p sty=
le=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: #3=
33333;">Thanks for sharing what you have found.&#160; I&#39;ll check mine a=
sap.&#160; I&#39;ve been wanting to send Jeff a couple distributors to have=
 a couple spares, one points and one Pertronix.&#160; I also have 2 other c=
ars that will need fresh distributors eventually.&#160;&#160;</p><p style=
=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: #333=
333;">Dave H.</p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 15, 2019 at 7:57 PM TERRY=
 SMITH &#60;[email-masked]&#62; wrote: <br> <br><p style=3D"font-size:=
 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: #333333;">Thanks, =
Bob.&#160; That&#39;s my read as well.&#160; I&#39;ll report if the replace=
ment I&#39;ve ordered from BP North doesn&#39;t fix it.</p><blockquote type=
=3D"cite">On May 15, 2019 at 10:54 PM Kinderlehrer &#60;kinderlehrer@comcas=
t.net&#62; wrote: <br> <br><div class=3D"ox-aa2707c444-ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c2=
3cf25df-WordSection1"><p class=3D"ox-aa2707c444-ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df=
-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-=
serif'; color: #1f497d;">I&#8217;ve had 2 of them fail with the magnets in =
the collar getting all askew. Doesn&#8217;t run well like that. </span></p>=
<p class=3D"ox-aa2707c444-ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d=
;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-aa2707c444-ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df=
-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-=
serif'; color: #1f497d;">Bob </span></p><p class=3D"ox-aa2707c444-ox-dae86b=
1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family=
: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> &#160; </span></p><div><div sty=
le=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in=
 0in;"><p class=3D"ox-aa2707c444-ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-MsoNormal"><st=
rong><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"=
>From:</span></strong><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahom=
a','sans-serif';"> Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <stron=
g>On Behalf Of </strong>Randall<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, May 15=
, 2019 7:45 PM<br><strong>To:</strong> TERRY SMITH; [email-masked]=
<br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TR] Pertronix Failure? </span></p></div>=
</div><p class=3D"ox-aa2707c444-ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-MsoNormal">&#16=
0;</p><p class=3D"ox-aa2707c444-ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-MsoNormal" styl=
e=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">Well, maybe. Is it loose on the point can? Or =
does the point cam just turn back and forth a bit?<br>Or does the whole mes=
s move side to side?<br><br>It normal for the point cam to be able to turn =
slightly. But there should be no side to side play; and the plastic piece s=
hould be tight on the point cam.<br><br>Side play is usually a sign of wear=
 in the shaft bushing. If the plastic piece is loose, its probably just tim=
e, heat and vibration vs cheap plastic.<br>-- Randall</p><div><p class=3D"o=
x-aa2707c444-ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-MsoNormal">On 15 May 2019 18:41:10=
 GMT-07:00, TERRY SMITH &#60;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">terryrs=
@comcast.net</a>&#62; wrote:</p><p class=3D"ox-aa2707c444-ox-dae86b1d70-ox-=
7c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-ser=
if'; color: #333333;">Okay, so I was wrong.&#160; I thought the intermitten=
t engine miss on the TR3 had to do with a dislodged damper on the forward c=
arb.&#160; Test drive said no, engine still stumbled, cleared, stumbled aga=
in.&#160; Changed fuel filters out because they were due anyway.&#160; Prob=
lem persisted.&#160; Checked the floats movements, all fine.&#160; Problem =
persisted.&#160; Finally just swapped the carbs entirely with spares that I=
 knew worked, problem persisted.&#160; So...not fuel.&#160; If it were valv=
es, it wouldn&#39;t be intermittent, unless a valve were sticking, right?&#=
160;&#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-aa2707c444-ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df=
-default-style"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color=
: #333333;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-aa2707c444-ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7=
c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-seri=
f'; color: #333333;">Next up assumption is it&#39;s electrical.&#160; Swapp=
ed the distributor, wires and rotor with spares I knew worked.&#160; Proble=
m persisted.&#160; Checked for potential electrical shorts.&#160; Nothing o=
bvious.&#160; Yeesh! </span></p><p class=3D"ox-aa2707c444-ox-dae86b1d70-ox-=
7c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-ser=
if'; color: #333333;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-aa2707c444-ox-dae86=
b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica',=
'sans-serif'; color: #333333;">I run a Pertronix.&#160; Went online and rea=
d about Pertronix troubleshooting.&#160; Piece I read mentioned that the tr=
igger magnet that spins on the rotor can come loose and affect the timing.&=
#160; I checked this and LO!&#160; The trigger magnet is indeed loose.&#160=
;&#160;I seem to remember when I put it on some eight or nine years ago, th=
at it went on tight.&#160; But it now wiggles about an eighth of an inch ba=
ck and forth, maybe a bit more.&#160;&#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-aa270=
7c444-ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"font-family=
: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D=
"ox-aa2707c444-ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;">So question.&#160; Do=
 I remember correctly, it&#39;s supposed to be tight?&#160; And second, wha=
t would cause it to come loose over time? </span></p><p class=3D"ox-aa2707c=
444-ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"font-family: =
'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"o=
x-aa2707c444-ox-dae86b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"font=
-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;">I know it could still b=
e a sticking valve, but this first.&#160; Thanks, everyone for patience wit=
h this long message. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-aa2707c444-ox-dae86b1d70-ox-=
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b1d70-ox-7c23cf25df-default-style"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica',=
'sans-serif'; color: #333333;">Terry Smith, &#39;59 TR3A </span></p><p clas=
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=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #333333;">New Hampshire <=
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