Subject: Re: [TR] Hi-torq starter

From: Tom Fansher <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 10:47:23 -0400

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It=E2=80=99s my understanding that it doesn=E2=80=99t matter. And it doesn=E2=
=80=99t matter if the ring gear is =E2=80=9Cflipped one way or the other=E2=80=
=9D. I think Randall pointes our a few years ago that the hi-torque starters=
 engage and then start to turn as opposed to the TR starters that spin then e=
ngage.=20
Tom

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> Any way of telling if a modern hi-torque starter from a TR3 is for a press=
-on or bolt-on ring gear?
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> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
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From: "Andrew Uprichard" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 12:09:16 -0400

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Actually, it matters a lot.  I just found out the starters for the =
press-on ring gear have 9 teeth, whereas those for the bolt-on have 10.  =
If you don=E2=80=99t get it right you=E2=80=99ll burn out the starter. =20

=20

Andrew

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From: Tom Fansher [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 10:47 AM
To: Andrew Uprichard
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] Hi-torq starter

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It=E2=80=99s my understanding that it doesn=E2=80=99t matter. And it =
doesn=E2=80=99t matter if the ring gear is =E2=80=9Cflipped one way or =
the other=E2=80=9D. I think Randall pointes our a few years ago that the =
hi-torque starters engage and then start to turn as opposed to the TR =
starters that spin then engage.=20

Tom

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 20, 2019, at 8:02 AM, Andrew Uprichard <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

Any way of telling if a modern hi-torque starter from a TR3 is for a =
press-on or bolt-on ring gear?

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Actually, it matters a =
lot.=C2=A0 I just found out the starters for the press-on ring gear have =
9 teeth, whereas those for the bolt-on have 10.=C2=A0 If you =
don=E2=80=99t get it right you=E2=80=99ll burn out the starter.=C2=A0 =
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0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Tom Fansher [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, =
April 20, 2019 10:47 AM<br><b>To:</b> Andrew Uprichard<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Hi-torq =
starter<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>It=E2=80=99s =
my understanding that it doesn=E2=80=99t matter. And it doesn=E2=80=99t =
matter if the ring gear is =E2=80=9Cflipped one way or the =
other=E2=80=9D. I think Randall pointes our a few years ago that the =
hi-torque starters engage and then start to turn as opposed to the TR =
starters that spin then engage.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Tom<o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Apr 20, 2019, at 8:02 AM, Andrew =
Uprichard &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
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style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Any way =
of telling if a modern hi-torque starter from a TR3 is for a press-on or =
bolt-on ring gear?<br><br>Andrew Uprichard</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Jackson, =
Michigan</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><blockquote =
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 12:43:10 -0700

Count the number of teeth on the pinion gear.  9 teeth is early, 10 teeth is
later.

That's the only difference; you can actually convert just by swapping that
gear.

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On 
> Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard
> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 5:03 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: [TR] Hi-torq starter
> 
> Any way of telling if a modern hi-torque starter from a TR3 
> is for a press-on or bolt-on ring gear?
> 
> Andrew Uprichard
> 
> Jackson, Michigan
> 
>

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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 12:49:17 -0700

Kinda does matter; the early press-on ring gear is larger diameter than the
later bolt-on.  And since the starter mounts in the same place, the pinion
gear needs to change to keep the right clearance with the larger or smaller
ring gear.

The change came when they switched original starter styles; the early
starter had a smaller shaft that was supported at both ends.  The later
starter only supports the shaft at one end and in the middle, the drive
hangs out in space.  So it needed a much beefier shaft, and the gear got
larger to fit on the larger shaft.  Etc, etc.

-- Randall 

> It's my understanding that it doesn't matter.

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From: Tom Fansher <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 18:18:03 -0400

Glad I started something and learned something,too. Once again, thanks to the list
Tom

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 20, 2019, at 3:49 PM, Randall <[email-masked]> wrote:
>