Subject: Re: [TR] triumph tr3 rescue update

From: "Reihing, Randall S." <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 10:55:04 +0000

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Oil soaked rags can be good rust preventers. My next door neighbor is an ol=
d, very old, retired farmer who shared that on hot summer days, around 90F,=
 liquid roof tar flowed like paint and he used it to undercoat his entire 1=
928 Model A. It never rusted. Way better than TST or other popular undercoa=
tings. Even when they power wash the frame first. That only gets the crud o=
ff, not the oxidation that must be wiped off, or discoloration that might b=
e surface rust, both of which prevent long term adhesion when no fully remo=
ved. On one brand new vehicle frame I had commercially coated with TST befo=
re the vehicle was driven (it was delivered to TST) and adhered to their ye=
arly inspections and re-coatings, the TST coating shrank and developed very=
 thin cracks that admitted moisture.The frame rusted out behind the TST but=
 not where large pieces of it had flaked off. That full frame actually brok=
e in half above the rear wheel arch, right where the undercoating was heavi=
est.

Some people favor commercial undercoatings. We no longer do. What does seem=
s to work is a thorough cleaning and application of pickup truck bed liner =
paint and regular inspections every time the oil is changed.

________________________________
From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> on behalf of Chris Simo <c=
[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 10:40 PM
To: list Triumph
Subject: [TR] triumph tr3 rescue update

Previously on the tr3 channel.... I picked up two tr3 basket cases with the=
 aid of several Triumph Club of the Carolinas members/friends last October.=
 The 3s were a bit worse off than expected. One car, a roller..., did not r=
oll and engine was siezed.

After months of soaking and constant pressure the engine spins free and mak=
es good compression, rear brake drums removed with aid of air impact, engin=
e/od trans pulled, degreased. power washed and engine delivered to Dr Morro=
. Rear fenders removed. heated all cage nuts to red hot and pb blaster afte=
r cooled. believe it or not almost  all hex head bolts came out with minima=
l effort. Significant rust everywhere, but not as bad as tr3s in my previou=
s life. We can do this! Passenger floor pan mostly removed.  Rest of interi=
or removed. Brake lines removed intact to use as models for replacements. P=
layed with needle scaler from harbor freight. works well.

Fast forward to today.

First week at new job, so not a ton of progress.

Bosch mini split is installed and works a champ! Shop will be cool this sum=
mer.

Tools cleaned and put away.

Passengers side rocker opened up.
Findings...Bob commented on what looked like oil soaked rags stuffed in the=
 rusted rocker.... Upon further destruction, it revealed cardboard, fibergl=
ass, and CONCRETE!

Apparently, the DPO found concrete as an appropriate base filler material.

Good news is the inner rocker looks good. Oil soaked rags must've helped.

Never seen concrete in a TR....

Bought a pressure pot sand blaster and modified it based on my previous wor=
k with metal improvement company. Can't wait to try it out.

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<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Oil soaked rags can be good rust =
preventers. My next door neighbor is an old, very old, retired farmer who s=
hared that on hot summer days, around 90F, liquid roof tar flowed like pain=
t and he used it to undercoat his
 entire 1928 Model A. It never rusted. Way better than TST or other popular=
 undercoatings. Even when they power wash the frame first. That only gets t=
he crud off, not the oxidation that must be wiped off, or discoloration tha=
t might be&nbsp;surface rust, both&nbsp;of
 which prevent long term adhesion when no fully removed.&nbsp;On one brand =
new vehicle&nbsp;frame I had commercially coated with TST before the vehicl=
e was driven (it was delivered to TST)&nbsp;and adhered to their&nbsp;yearl=
y inspections and re-coatings, the TST coating shrank
 and developed very thin&nbsp;cracks that admitted moisture.The frame ruste=
d out behind the TST but not where large pieces of it had&nbsp;flaked off. =
That full&nbsp;frame actually broke in half above the rear&nbsp;wheel arch,=
 right where the undercoating was heaviest.&nbsp;</p>
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<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Some people favor commercial&nbsp=
;undercoatings. We no&nbsp;longer do. What does seems to&nbsp;work is a tho=
rough cleaning and application of pickup truck&nbsp;bed liner paint and reg=
ular inspections every time the oil&nbsp;is changed. &nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 21, 2019 10:40 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [TR] triumph tr3 rescue update</font>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Previously on the =
tr3 channel.... I picked up two tr3 basket cases with the aid of several Tr=
iumph Club of the Carolinas members/friends last October. The 3s were a bit=
 worse off than expected. One car, a
 roller..., did not roll and engine was siezed.</span></div>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">After months of soaking and con=
stant pressure the engine spins free and makes good compression, rear brake=
 drums removed with aid of air impact, engine/od trans pulled, degreased. p=
ower washed and engine delivered to
 Dr Morro. Rear fenders removed. heated all cage nuts to red hot and pb bla=
ster after cooled. believe it or not almost&nbsp; all hex head bolts came o=
ut with minimal effort. Significant rust everywhere, but not as bad as tr3s=
 in my previous life. We can do this!
 Passenger floor pan mostly removed.&nbsp; Rest of interior removed. Brake =
lines removed intact to use as models for replacements. Played with needle =
scaler from harbor freight. works well.</font></div>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">Fast forward to today.</font></=
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<div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">First w</font><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:sans-serif">eek at new job, so not a ton of progress.</span></div=
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<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br>
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<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Bosch mini split is inst=
alled and works a champ! Shop will be cool this summer.</div>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Tools cleaned and put aw=
ay.</div>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Passengers side rocker o=
pened up.</div>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Findings...Bob commented=
 on what looked like oil soaked rags stuffed in the rusted rocker.... Upon =
further destruction, it revealed cardboard, fiberglass, and CONCRETE!</div>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br>
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<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Apparently, the DPO foun=
d concrete as an appropriate base filler material.</div>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br>
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<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Good news is the inner r=
ocker looks good. Oil soaked rags must've helped.</div>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br>
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<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Never seen concrete in a=
 TR....</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Bought a pressure pot sa=
nd blaster and modified it based on my previous work with metal improvement=
 company. Can't wait to try it out.</div>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 07:47:07 -0400

The concrete was to balance the car in the absence of a passenger....

On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 12:50 AM Chris Simo <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
> Previously on the tr3 channel.... I picked up two tr3 basket cases with the aid of several Triumph Club of the Carolinas members/friends last October. The 3s were a bit worse off than expected. One car, a roller..., did not roll and engine was siezed.
>
> After months of soaking and constant pressure the engine spins free and makes good compression, rear brake drums removed with aid of air impact, engine/od trans pulled, degreased. power washed and engine delivered to Dr Morro. Rear fenders removed. heated all cage nuts to red hot and pb blaster after cooled. believe it or not almost  all hex head bolts came out with minimal effort. Significant rust everywhere, but not as bad as tr3s in my previous life. We can do this! Passenger floor pan mostly removed.  Rest of interior removed. Brake lines removed intact to use as models for replacements. Played with needle scaler from harbor freight. works well.
>
> Fast forward to today.
>
> Bosch mini split is installed and works a champ! Shop will be cool this summer.
>
> Findings...Bob commented on what looked like oil soaked rags stuffed in the rusted rocker.... Upon further destruction, it revealed cardboard, fiberglass, and CONCRETE!
>
> Bought a pressure pot sand blaster and modified it based on my previous work with metal improvement company. Can't wait to try it out.
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