Subject: Re: [TR] Paint code

From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 12:50:23 +0000 (UTC)

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 As someone who has used number and letter stamps in the past, they did a g=
reat job of aligning the stampings.=C2=A0 It is nearly impossible to free-h=
and it and get anything that resembles straight.
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Dave=20

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-----Original Message-----
From: James Henningsen <[email-masked]>
To: Stan Foster <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sun, Feb 10, 2019 6:50 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Paint code

Me too ! =C2=A0Ever since your story on the commission plates I=E2=80=99ve =
had a much greater appreciation for the misaligned numbers and letters. Jim=
 Henningsen=C2=A0

Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2019, at 5:44 PM, Stan Foster <[email-masked]> wrote:

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=A0 article I bet I=E2=80=99m not the only one that would like to see it. T=
his was an important time for Triumph and the British car industry and the =
role that returning servicemen and women played a role would be of interest=
 to me.  =C2=A0 Stan  =C2=A0 From: John Macartney <[email-masked]=
g.uk>=20
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 4:46 PM
To: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
Cc: Stan Foster <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] Paint code  =C2=A0 Makes me laugh sometimes when this lor=
e comes back. Ye gods, Standard could afford to provide a one armed war wou=
nded man a paintbrush!!! What so many over the pond continuously fail to ap=
preciate when it comes to the wet liner four pot is that the block was comm=
on to many different uses. The basic block appeared in the TR, Vanguard, En=
sign, Leyland 15 and 20 later on and in differing sizes for industrial appl=
ications. One basic block, many different engine types! The =E2=80=9Cpaint =
codes, colours and shapes=E2=80=9D were worked out by engine assembly peopl=
e in line with engine build sheets. They knew what they were doing and as l=
ong as the correct unit was built, no one else worried. The story about Sir=
 John Black and returning servicemen is another affair of equal import. I w=
rote it out for TVT some years ago but someone chopped lumps out of it and =
I vetoed the print because it gave a rather different and by no means as co=
mprehensive account, and skewed the narrative to Black=E2=80=99s disadvanta=
ge.  =C2=A0 Jonmac Sent from my iPad=20
On 10 Feb 2019, at 16:34, Don Hiscock <[email-masked]> wrote:=20
My April 1962 TR3B=E2=80=99s engine=E2=80=99s marshaling marks were brushed=
 for sure.=C2=A0

On Sunday, February 10, 2019, Stan Foster <[email-masked]> wrote:=20
The few that I have seen personally have a brushed appearance. =C2=BE inch =
wide, coarse brush. A one armed man can still use a brush. =C2=A0 Stan =C2=
=A0 From: Triumphs <[email-masked]>On Behalf Of Don Hiscoc=
k
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 8:25 AM
To: Lawarence Schwartz <[email-masked]>
Cc: Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] Paint code =C2=A0 Perhaps our forum friend John Macartney=
 canl come in with more and better information, but Sir John Black made a r=
eal commitment to disabled war vets.=C2=A0 S-T found productive work for ma=
ny, for years and years.=C2=A0 It wouldn't surprise me at all that one of t=
hose positions was marking engines. =C2=A0 Don 1962 TR3B TSF202L =C2=A0 On =
Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 7:06 AM Lawarence Schwartz <[email-masked]> wrote:=20
With reference to the Tr3 engine =C2=A0block markings I remember reading se=
veral years ago along with having conversations a Tr gatherings that at the=
 end of the engine production line there was one employee with only one arm=
 and he was responsible for writing TR 3 using just one finger which he zip=
ped into the orange red paint and scribbled the markings on the engine bloc=
k. Larry Schwartz Sent from my iPhone=20
On Jan 18, 2019, at 12:44 AM, wbeech <[email-masked]> wrote:=20
Great picture Don, I have always re-painted the orange =E2=80=9CTR3=E2=80=
=9D after an engine rebuild, used Chevrolet engine orange.=C2=A0 Had never =
seen the china marker markings before. Bill =C2=A0 From: Triumphs [mailto:t=
[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 5:47 PM
To: John Macartney <[email-masked]>; Triumphs <triumphs@autox=
.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Paint code =C2=A0 Here's an image of the Coventry assembl=
y line taken by a member of the tour group on Triumph USA's 1958 Rally of E=
urope for new owners who took their delivery at the factory and toured the =
Continent.=C2=A0 One can see some of the various marshalling marks on the e=
ngines ready to be used on the line. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b5=
KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK2.jpg =C2=A0 On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 5:38 PM Joh=
n Macartney <[email-masked]> wrote:=20
Thing is Jack, that this far down the track, no one knows! In fact, I doubt=
 the majority of people at the factory did either:) =C2=A0 Cheers, John Sen=
t from my iPad=20
On 17 Jan 2019, at 17:50, Jack McGahey <[email-masked]> wrote:=20
I have those markings on my TR6 block - reapplied after engine rebuild duri=
ng restoration. =C2=A0 I can=E2=80=99t speak about TRA, but I can say that =
neither VTR or 6-pack look for these markings, or deduct for their absence,=
 during Concours judging - and I=E2=80=99ve never heard anybody say they kn=
ew what they meant or why they are there.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cheers, Jack Mc Sent=
 from my iPad=20
On Jan 17, 2019, at 9:27 AM, John Macartney <[email-masked]> =
wrote:=20
Jim =C2=A0 In the rebuild of your car, did you by chance find any obscure m=
arkings in yellow or white chinagraph chalk on the engine block? These were=
 common identifiers used at the factory that were understood by those who w=
orked in engine assembly =E2=80=93 but no-one else. Primarily, the mark was=
 to distinguish the machined but unassembled block as being an ultimate eng=
ine for a North America spec car. Not all the blocks had these marks but I =
do know many others have encountered them years later and wondered what the=
 hell they were. Being anxious to replicate what had been there after re-pa=
inting the block, they replaced the code. I=E2=80=99d be very surprised if =
TRA or VTR have extra marks in their judging books =E2=80=93 or even deduct=
 marks if they weren=E2=80=99t there. =C2=A0 Cheers, Jonmac =C2=A0 From: Tr=
iumphs <[email-masked]>On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen
Sent: 17 January 2019 12:31
To: [email-masked]
Cc: Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] Paint code =C2=A0 Bill: I have the TRA judging guide for =
the TR4 and have been using it as my plumb line for the restoration going b=
ack to 2010 when I purchased the car.=C2=A0 The trick is what to tell the a=
uto paint store for a color to match that would be acceptable to judges.=C2=
=A0 My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat everyone in a concours but to faithfully =
recreate the car as it was born.=C2=A0 I am not interested in trophies.=C2=
=A0 Over the 8 years restoring this car, s I have sometimes found it hard t=
o get info from the expert judges and respected restorers of these cars. I=
=E2=80=99d love to know more specifics on the color and or source that expe=
rts in TRA think correct.=C2=A0 Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99s Garage had an =
early TR4at the last TRA event.=C2=A0 Does anyone have any detailed photos =
of that car they could share.=C2=A0 The few I saw looked magnificent and th=
ey have such a great reputation. =C2=A0 Thanks so much, Jim Henningsen Sent=
 from my iPad=20
On Jan 16, 2019, at 10:42 PM, [email-masked] <[email-masked]> wrote:=20
Judging guide Reference Should be TRA, my oversight.=C2=A0 Bill =C2=A0 On J=
an 16, 2019, at 8:29 PM,[email-masked] <[email-masked]> wrote: If y=E2=
=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to weigh in, the =
VTR Judging Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe canister is painted ice blue (spe=
cific color unknown) which takes a pale green caste with age.=E2=80=9D =C2=
=A0 I=E2=80=99ll stick with my Valspar Peacock Blue.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cheers, B=
ill Sent from my Motorola 8000X=20
On Jan 16, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock <[email-masked]> wrote: The=
 TR Register (UK) forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter canister =
housings a few years ago. https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/t=
opic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/ =C2=A0 Note especially the comments by our late=
, great friend Alec Pringle about his experience with lots of variations an=
d the quite realistic comment that S-T were a lot more worried about keepin=
g lines going and spares supplied than getting details "right" around shade=
. =C2=A0 The thread has some useful info, but this is one of those don't-sw=
eat-it subjects around our cars. =C2=A0 Don 1962 TR3B TSF202L =C2=A0 On Tue=
, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:01 PM James Henningsen <[email-masked]> wrote:=20
Anyone have a source for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter c=
anister housing.=C2=A0 TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas to a p=
ale green.=C2=A0 Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop.=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0Thanks to any concours experts out there.=20
Jim Henningsen=20
Ocala FL

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<div> <font size=3D"3">As someone who has used number and letter stamps in =
the past, they did a great job of aligning the stampings.&nbsp; It is nearl=
y impossible to free-hand it and get anything that resembles straight.</fon=
t><br>
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<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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Original Message-----<br>
From: James Henningsen &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Stan Foster &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Sun, Feb 10, 2019 6:50 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Paint code<br>
<br>

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<div>Me too ! &nbsp;Ever since your story on the commission plates I=E2=80=
=99ve had a much greater appreciation for the misaligned numbers and letter=
s. Jim Henningsen&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv9990330491AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone=
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r &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:stan@=
redtr6.com" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a=
3051__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br cle=
ar=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">John, if you still have that&nbsp; ar=
ticle I bet I=E2=80=99m not the only one that would like to see it. This wa=
s an important time for Triumph and the British car industry and the role t=
hat returning servicemen and women played a role would be of interest
 to me.</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Stan</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
=20

<div>

<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in;">

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> John Macartney &lt;<a re=
l=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:John.Macartney@U=
kpips.org.uk" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-8645-542706=
0a3051__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">John.Macartney@Ukpips.=
org.uk</a>&gt; <br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 10, 2019 4:46 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Don Hiscock &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ym=
ailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e8=
2f2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a3051__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">don.=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> Stan Foster &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ym=
ailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82f2-b5=
f5-4243-8645-5427060a3051__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt;; <a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tr=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-86=
45-5427060a3051__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
m.net</a><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Paint code</div>
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</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Makes me laugh sometimes when this lo=
re comes back. Ye gods, Standard could afford to provide a one armed war wo=
unded man a paintbrush!!!</div>
=20

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">What so many over the pond continuous=
ly fail to appreciate when it comes to the wet liner four pot is that the b=
lock was common to many different uses. The basic block appeared in the TR,=
 Vanguard, Ensign, Leyland 15 and 20 later on and
 in differing sizes for industrial applications. One basic block, many diff=
erent engine types! The =E2=80=9Cpaint codes, colours and shapes=E2=80=9D w=
ere worked out by engine assembly people in line with engine build sheets. =
They knew what they were doing and as long as the
 correct unit was built, no one else worried.</div>
=20
</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">The story about Sir John Black and re=
turning servicemen is another affair of equal import. I wrote it out for TV=
T some years ago but someone chopped lumps out of it and I vetoed the print=
 because it gave a rather different and by no means
 as comprehensive account, and skewed the narrative to Black=E2=80=99s disa=
dvantage.</div>
=20
</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
=20
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;">Jonma=
c</div>
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lear=3D"none">
On 10 Feb 2019, at 16:34, Don Hiscock &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" sh=
ape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rem=
ovedlink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a3051__href=3D"mailto:don.hiscock@=
gmail.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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</div>

<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;">

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">My April 1962 TR3B=E2=80=99s engine=
=E2=80=99s marshaling marks were brushed for sure.&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
On Sunday, February 10, 2019, Stan Foster &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer=
" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" remov=
edlink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a3051__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;">

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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">The few that I have seen personally h=
ave a brushed appearance. =C2=BE inch wide, coarse brush. A one armed man c=
an still use a brush.</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Stan</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a rel=3D"n=
oopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox=
.team.net" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a3=
051__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">triumphs-bounces@autox=
.team.net</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Don Hiscock<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 10, 2019 8:25 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Lawarence Schwartz &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"r=
ect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82=
f2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a3051__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymail=
to=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82=
f2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a3051__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tri=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Paint code</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Perhaps our forum friend John Macartn=
ey canl come in with more and better information, but Sir John Black made a=
 real commitment to disabled war vets.&nbsp; S-T found productive work
 for many, for years and years.&nbsp; It wouldn't surprise me at all that o=
ne of those positions was marking engines.</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Don</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">1962 TR3B TSF202L</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 7:06 AM Lawar=
ence Schwartz &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-864=
5-5427060a3051__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
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n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt;">

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;">With =
reference to the Tr3 engine &nbsp;block markings I remember reading several=
 years ago along with having conversations a Tr gatherings that at the end =
of the engine production line there
 was one employee with only one arm and he was responsible for writing TR 3=
 using just one finger which he zipped into the orange red paint and scribb=
led the markings on the engine block. Larry Schwartz</div>
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lear=3D"none">
On Jan 18, 2019, at 12:44 AM, wbeech &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" sha=
pe=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" removedli=
nk__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a3051__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">Great =
picture Don, I have always re-painted the orange =E2=80=9CTR3=E2=80=9D afte=
r an engine rebuild, used Chevrolet engine orange.&nbsp; Had never seen the=
 china marker
 markings before.</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">Bill</=
span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">&nbsp;=
</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs [<a rel=3D"noop=
ener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a3051=
__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:triumphs-bounces@a=
utox.team.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Don Hiscock<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 17, 2019 5:47 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> John Macartney &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect"=
 ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" removedl=
ink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a3051__href=3D"mailto:John.Macartney@uk=
pips.org.uk">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Triumphs &lt;<a rel=3D"n=
oopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a3051__hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br cle=
ar=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Paint code</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Here's an image of the Coventry assem=
bly line taken by a member of the tour group on Triumph USA's 1958 Rally of=
 Europe for new owners who took their delivery at the factory and
 toured the Continent.&nbsp; One can see some of the various marshalling ma=
rks on the engines ready to be used on the line.</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal"><a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a30=
51__href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5Kr=
zK2.jpg">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK2=
.jpg</a></div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 5:38 PM John =
Macartney &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82f2-b5=
f5-4243-8645-5427060a3051__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Joh=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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bottom:5.0pt;">

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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Thing is Jack, that this far down the=
 track, no one knows! In fact, I doubt the majority of people at the factor=
y did either:)</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;">Cheer=
s, John</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Sent from my iPad</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br c=
lear=3D"none">
On 17 Jan 2019, at 17:50, Jack McGahey &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" s=
hape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" remove=
dlink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a3051__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
om">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">I have those markings on my TR6 block=
 - reapplied after engine rebuild during restoration.</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">I can=E2=80=99t speak about TRA, but =
I can say that neither VTR or 6-pack look for these markings, or deduct for=
 their absence, during Concours judging - and I=E2=80=99ve never heard anyb=
ody say
 they knew what they meant or why they are there.&nbsp;</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Cheers,</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;">Jack =
Mc</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br c=
lear=3D"none">
On Jan 17, 2019, at 9:27 AM, John Macartney &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferr=
er" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a3051__href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote=
:</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Jim</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">In the rebuild of your car, did you b=
y chance find any obscure markings in yellow or white chinagraph chalk on t=
he engine block? These were common identifiers used at the factory
 that were understood by those who worked in engine assembly =E2=80=93 but =
no-one else. Primarily, the mark was to distinguish the machined but unasse=
mbled block as being an ultimate engine for a North America spec car. Not a=
ll the blocks had these marks but I do know
 many others have encountered them years later and wondered what the hell t=
hey were. Being anxious to replicate what had been there after re-painting =
the block, they replaced the code. I=E2=80=99d be very surprised if TRA or =
VTR have extra marks in their judging books
 =E2=80=93 or even deduct marks if they weren=E2=80=99t there.</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Cheers, Jonmac</div>
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in;">

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a rel=3D"n=
oopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox=
.team.net" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a3=
051__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">triumphs-bounces@autox=
.teamnet</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Henningsen<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> 17 January 2019 12:31<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-8645-54=
27060a3051__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br clear=
=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymail=
to=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82=
f2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a3051__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tri=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Paint code</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Bill:</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">I have the TRA judging guide for the =
TR4 and have been using it as my plumb line for the restoration going back =
to 2010 when I purchased the car.&nbsp; The trick is what to tell the
 auto paint store for a color to match that would be acceptable to judges.&=
nbsp; My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat everyone in a concours but to faithfull=
y recreate the car as it was born.&nbsp; I am not interested in trophies.&n=
bsp; Over the 8 years restoring this car, s I have sometimes
 found it hard to get info from the expert judges and respected restorers o=
f these cars. I=E2=80=99d love to know more specifics on the color and or s=
ource that experts in TRA think correct.&nbsp; Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99s=
 Garage had an early TR4at the last TRA event.&nbsp; Does
 anyone have any detailed photos of that car they could share.&nbsp; The fe=
w I saw looked magnificent and they have such a great reputation. &nbsp;</d=
iv>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Thanks so much,</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;">Jim H=
enningsen</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Sent from my iPad</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br c=
lear=3D"none">
On Jan 16, 2019, at 10:42 PM, <a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect"=
 ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82f=
2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a3051__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Wbeech@flas=
h.net</a> &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-8645=
-5427060a3051__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wr=
ote:</div>
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<div>

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Judging guide Reference Should be TRA=
, my oversight.&nbsp;</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Bill</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;">On Ja=
n 16, 2019, at 8:29 PM,
<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:Wbeech@flas=
h.net" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a3051_=
_href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a rel=3D"noopen=
er noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a3051__href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">If y=E2=80=99all will allow one more =
=E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to weigh in, the VTR Judging Guidlines state, =
=E2=80=9CThe canister is painted ice blue (specific color unknown) which ta=
kes a pale green caste
 with age.=E2=80=9D</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99ll stick with my Valspar Pe=
acock Blue.&nbsp;</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Cheers,</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;">Bill<=
/div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Sent from my Motorola 8000X</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br c=
lear=3D"none">
On Jan 16, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer"=
 shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
removedlink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a3051__href=3D"mailto:don.hisco=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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<div>

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">The TR Register (UK) forum had a thre=
ad on the subject of oil filter canister housings a few years ago.</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal"><a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-8645-5427060a30=
51__href=3D"https://wwwtr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-=
filter-bowl/">https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-o=
il-filter-bowl/</a></div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Note especially the comments by our l=
ate, great friend Alec Pringle about his experience with lots of variations=
 and the quite realistic comment that S-T were a lot more worried
 about keeping lines going and spares supplied than getting details "right"=
 around shade.</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">The thread has some useful info, but =
this is one of those don't-sweat-it subjects around our cars.</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Don</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">1962 TR3B TSF202L</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:01 PM Jame=
s Henningsen &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__8b5e82f2-b5f5-4243-=
8645-5427060a3051__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&=
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bottom:5.0pt;">

<div class=3D"yiv9990330491MsoNormal">Anyone have a source for correct pain=
t color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter canister housing.&nbsp; TRA judging ma=
nual says ice blue that patinas to a pale green.&nbsp; Looking for a color
 code I can give my paint shop.&nbsp; &nbsp;Thanks to any concours experts =
out there. <br clear=3D"none">
Jim Henningsen <br clear=3D"none">
Ocala FL<br clear=3D"none">
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