Subject: Re: [TR] eBay - a sobering story

From: Paul Tegler <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 01:09:06 -0400

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so EBay and paypal are both saying they will not stand behind their 
policies?� It's not an 'automobile' by their own definitions! It was 
misrepresented, inspected prior to sale or not!� At a minimum, you can 
tell the story to ALL and EVERY car list you can find, that will notify 
any and every type of car owner to beware of this shyster!

Hurt his business??� THAT is the purpose of feedback! Abitration is the 
only way feedback is supposed to be removeable.... yep screw ebay.... 
it's become a retail shop.� :-(

ptegler

On 10/19/2018 6:03 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote:
>
> Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own 
> stupidity.� I screwed up.� But the follow-up is where I think others 
> need to be careful.
>
> Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been 
> looking for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub.� I 
> recently saw one on eBay which was advertised as being �in good 
> condition�.� It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller _twice_ 
> and asked specifically about the extent of the rust:� he replied by 
> assuring me the car was �in great condition� with �minimal rust�.� I 
> asked for additional pics, but he said it was difficult as the car was 
> at a different location.
>
> After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the 
> car up within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone 
> for a week.� The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn�t 
> make it.� He said OK, but he wanted the money immediately.� I called 
> PayPal and they said I would lose any protection if I paid before 
> seeing the car.� So I called eBay and they reassured me I was covered 
> 100% by the eBay vehicle protection plan (VPP).� So I paid.� My mistake.
>
> A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to 
> put my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage 
> I doubt� it could ever be restored.� Oh, and the frame was bent.� I 
> told him I wasn�t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and 
> I wanted my money back.� He told me tough, you paid already, it�s yours.
>
> I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to 
> cars less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to 
> sue the seller.� After several sleepless nights I decided I could do 
> without the stress of litigation and so I drove back out to collect 
> the car.� When I got there the seller told me he had sold it to 
> someone else.� Great, I said, give me my money. Nah, he said, you take 
> it and I�ll deal with the other guy. The seller had brought a few 
> buddies over, and so I simply loaded the car up and drove home.
>
> Bottom line � I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of 
> which is fiberglass.� The car is being collected this week for a trip 
> to the scrapyard.
>
> It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it.� Thankfully, my 
> lovely wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the 
> guy.� But I did leave negative feedback on eBay.� The EXACT words were 
> �Total misrepresentation of the car.� Buyers beware�.� It never 
> posted.� I called eBay today and was told the seller had appealed my 
> feedback as it was �pejorative and threatened the future success of 
> his business�.� As a result eBay had the right to remove it � and they 
> did.� And they will not let me leave any negative feedback.
>
> I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical 
> about mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.� I 
> guess I am venting, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub���
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
>
>
>
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    <p>so EBay and paypal are both saying they will not stand behind
      their policies?� It's not an 'automobile' by their own
      definitions! It was misrepresented, inspected prior to sale or
      not!� At a minimum, you can tell the story to ALL and EVERY car
      list you can find, that will notify any and every type of car
      owner to beware of this shyster!</p>
    <p>Hurt his business??� THAT is the purpose of feedback! Abitration
      is the only way feedback is supposed to be removeable.... yep
      screw ebay.... it's become a retail shop.� :-(<br>
    </p>
    <p>ptegler<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/19/2018 6:03 PM, Andrew Uprichard
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Before I start the story, let
            me take full responsibility for my own stupidity.� I screwed
            up.� But the follow-up is where I think others need to be
            careful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Having bought a TR3 with a
            body which was beyond salvage, I have been looking for, and
            was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub.� I
            recently saw one on eBay which was advertised as being �in
            good condition�.� It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the
            seller <u>twice</u> and asked specifically about the extent
            of the rust:� he replied by assuring me the car was �in
            great condition� with �minimal rust�.� I asked for
            additional pics, but he said it was difficult as the car was
            at a different location.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">After I bid and won, the
            seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up within 24
            hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a
            week.� The car was several hours away and I explained I
            couldn�t make it.� He said OK, but he wanted the money
            immediately.� I called PayPal and they said I would lose any
            protection if I paid before seeing the car.� So I called
            eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay
            vehicle protection plan (VPP).� So I paid.� My mistake.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">A week later I drove out and
            found a car with rust holes big enough to put my hand
            through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I
            doubt� it could ever be restored.� Oh, and the frame was
            bent.� I told him I wasn�t going to take the car, he had
            misrepresented it, and I wanted my money back.� He told me
            tough, you paid already, it�s yours.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">I came home and called eBay
            only to be told the VPP only applies to cars less than 10
            years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the
            seller.� After several sleepless nights I decided I could do
            without the stress of litigation and so I drove back out to
            collect the car.� When I got there the seller told me he had
            sold it to someone else.� Great, I said, give me my money.�
            Nah, he said, you take it and I�ll deal with the other guy.�
            The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply
            loaded the car up and drove home.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Bottom line � I salvaged one
            replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of which is
            fiberglass.� The car is being collected this week for a trip
            to the scrapyard.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">It was my fault and I accept
            responsibility for it.� Thankfully, my lovely wife has not
            given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy.� But I
            did leave negative feedback on eBay.� The EXACT words were
            �Total misrepresentation of the car.� Buyers beware�.� It
            never posted.� I called eBay today and was told the seller
            had appealed my feedback as it was �pejorative and
            threatened the future success of his business�.� As a result
            eBay had the right to remove it � and they did.� And they
            will not let me leave any negative feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">I still love the Triumph
            community, but I am a little more cynical about mankind
            (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.� I guess I
            am venting, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub���<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Andrew Uprichard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Jackson, Michigan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
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From: TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 09:12:50 -0400 (EDT)

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You're doing the right thing, Andrew.  Except publicize his name and where =
he is.  E-Bay may control official feedback, but word-of-mouth has ever bee=
n a civilian's defensive tool.

Terry

> On October 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Andrew Uprichard <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
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>     Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own =
stupidity.  I screwed up.  But the follow-up is where I think others need t=
o be careful.
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>     =20
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>     Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been=
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ntly saw one on eBay which was advertised as being =E2=80=9Cin good conditi=
on=E2=80=9D.  It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller twice and as=
ked specifically about the extent of the rust:  he replied by assuring me t=
he car was =E2=80=9Cin great condition=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Cminimal rust=
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>     After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the c=
ar up within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a=
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ake it.  He said OK, but he wanted the money immediately.  I called PayPal =
and they said I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car. =
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cle protection plan (VPP).  So I paid.  My mistake.
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>     A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough t=
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doubt  it could ever be restored.  Oh, and the frame was bent.  I told him =
I wasn=E2=80=99t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wan=
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>     =20
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>     I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to c=
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tress of litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car.  When I got=
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ive me my money.  Nah, he said, you take it and I=E2=80=99ll deal with the =
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t I did leave negative feedback on eBay.  The EXACT words were =E2=80=9CTot=
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ass=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roma=
n','serif';"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">Having bought a TR3 with =
a body which was beyond salvage, I have been looking for, and was prepared =
to pay good money for, a decent tub.&#160; I recently saw one on eBay which=
 was advertised as being &#8220;in good condition&#8221;.&#160; It was fair=
ly expensive, so I emailed the seller <u>twice</u> and asked specifically a=
bout the extent of the rust:&#160; he replied by assuring me the car was &#=
8220;in great condition&#8221; with &#8220;minimal rust&#8221;.&#160; I ask=
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fferent location. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span sty=
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=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman',=
'serif';">After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick t=
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or a week.&#160; The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn&#8=
217;t make it.&#160; He said OK, but he wanted the money immediately.&#160;=
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mistake. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
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A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to put =
my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I doubt&=
#160; it could ever be restored.&#160; Oh, and the frame was bent.&#160; I =
told him I wasn&#8217;t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, an=
d I wanted my money back.&#160; He told me tough, you paid already, it&#821=
7;s yours. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-1=
225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';=
">I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars =
less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the sel=
ler.&#160; After several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the =
stress of litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car.&#160; When=
 I got there the seller told me he had sold it to someone else.&#160; Great=
, I said, give me my money.&#160; Nah, he said, you take it and I&#8217;ll =
deal with the other guy.&#160; The seller had brought a few buddies over, a=
nd so I simply loaded the car up and drove home. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-=
1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'=
;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">Bottom line &#8211; I salvaged one =
replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of which is fiberglass.&#160; The car =
is being collected this week for a trip to the scrapyard. </span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman=
','serif';"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">It was my fault and I acce=
pt responsibility for it.&#160; Thankfully, my lovely wife has not given me=
 grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy.&#160; But I did leave negative=
 feedback on eBay.&#160; The EXACT words were &#8220;Total misrepresentatio=
n of the car.&#160; Buyers beware&#8221;.&#160; It never posted.&#160; I ca=
lled eBay today and was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was =
&#8220;pejorative and threatened the future success of his business&#8221;.=
&#160; As a result eBay had the right to remove it &#8211; and they did.&#1=
60; And they will not let me leave any negative feedback. </span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman=
','serif';"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">I still love the Triumph c=
ommunity, but I am a little more cynical about mankind (which is a shame) a=
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Andrew

I picked up my 63 TR4 site unseen. The car was too far away to go and 
see but the photos and representation were spot on. And the seller threw 
in many spares not listed on the original ad.

I would have liked to view the car before bidding but I wanted a project 
and this was the best available at the time. I guess I was lucky.

But since then, problems did surface with Ebay on both selling and 
buying so I stopped. I think there are too many scammers out there to do 
long distance selling and buying.

I no longer use ebay or paypal. If I buy from a retailer on-line it is 
one I trust and use only CC.

Too bad ebay is protecting this bum.

Bob

On 10/19/18 6:03 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote:
> stupidity.  I screwed up.  But the follow-up is where I think others 
> need to be careful.
>
> looking for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub.  I 
> recently saw one on eBay which was advertised as being “in good 
> condition”.  It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller _twice_ 
> and asked specifically about the extent of the rust:  he replied by 
> assuring me the car was “in great condition” with “minimal rust”.  I 
> for a week.  The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn’t 
> make it.  He said OK, but he wanted the money immediately.  I called 
> seeing the car.  So I called eBay and they reassured me I was covered 
> 100% by the eBay vehicle protection plan (VPP).  So I paid.  My mistake.
>
> I doubt  it could ever be restored.  Oh, and the frame was bent.  I 
> told him I wasn’t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and 
> I wanted my money back.  He told me tough, you paid already, it’s yours.
>
> sue the seller.  After several sleepless nights I decided I could do 
> the car.  When I got there the seller told me he had sold it to 
> someone else.  Great, I said, give me my money. Nah, he said, you take 
> it and I’ll deal with the other guy. The seller had brought a few 
> Bottom line – I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of 
> which is fiberglass.  The car is being collected this week for a trip 
> to the scrapyard.
>
> It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it.  Thankfully, my 
> guy.  But I did leave negative feedback on eBay.  The EXACT words were 
> “Total misrepresentation of the car.  Buyers beware”.  It never 
> posted.  I called eBay today and was told the seller had appealed my 
> feedback as it was “pejorative and threatened the future success of 
> his business”.  As a result eBay had the right to remove it – and they 
> about mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.  I 
> guess I am venting, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub………
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
>

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I picked up my 63 TR4 site unseen. The
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      not listed on the original ad.</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I would have liked to view the car
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      available at the time. I guess I was lucky.</div>
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    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">But since then, problems did surface
      with Ebay on both selling and buying so I stopped. I think there
      are too many scammers out there to do long distance selling and
      buying.</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I no longer use ebay or paypal. If I
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Too bad ebay is protecting this bum.</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Bob</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/19/18 6:03 PM, Andrew Uprichard
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
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            body which was beyond salvage, I have been looking for, and
            was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub.  I
            recently saw one on eBay which was advertised as being “in
            good condition”.  It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the
            seller <u>twice</u> and asked specifically about the extent
            of the rust:  he replied by assuring me the car was “in
            great condition” with “minimal rust”.  I asked for
            additional pics, but he said it was difficult as the car was
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            hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a
            week.  The car was several hours away and I explained I
            couldn’t make it.  He said OK, but he wanted the money
            immediately.  I called PayPal and they said I would lose any
            protection if I paid before seeing the car.  So I called
            eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay
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            found a car with rust holes big enough to put my hand
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            doubt  it could ever be restored.  Oh, and the frame was
            bent.  I told him I wasn’t going to take the car, he had
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            years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the
            seller.  After several sleepless nights I decided I could do
            without the stress of litigation and so I drove back out to
            collect the car.  When I got there the seller told me he had
            sold it to someone else.  Great, I said, give me my money. 
            Nah, he said, you take it and I’ll deal with the other guy. 
            The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply
            loaded the car up and drove home.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            responsibility for it.  Thankfully, my lovely wife has not
            given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy.  But I
            did leave negative feedback on eBay.  The EXACT words were
            “Total misrepresentation of the car.  Buyers beware”.  It
            never posted.  I called eBay today and was told the seller
            had appealed my feedback as it was “pejorative and
            threatened the future success of his business”.  As a result
            eBay had the right to remove it – and they did.  And they
            will not let me leave any negative feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Sad story indeed, I have alway found people on eBay to be honest dealers.  T=
he two vehicles I have purchased on eBay were slightly over embellished, not=
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Can you share this guy=E2=80=99s name and eBay handle?

Bill

Sent from my Handspring Treo

On Oct 19, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Andrew Uprichard <[email-masked]> wro=
te:

Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own stupidi=
ty.  I screwed up.  But the follow-up is where I think others need to be car=
eful.
=20
Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been lookin=
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id I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car.  So I called=
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=20
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 I drove back out to collect the car.&nbsp; When I got there the seller told=
 me he had sold it to someone else.&nbsp; Great, I said, give me my money.&n=
bsp; Nah, he said, you take it and I=E2=80=99ll deal with the other guy.&nbs=
p; The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply loaded the car=
 up and drove home.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times Ne=
w Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Bottom line =E2=80=93 I salvaged one replac=
ement panel and 2 fenders, one of which is fiberglass.&nbsp; The car is bein=
g collected this week for a trip to the scrapyard.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&q=
uot;serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">It was my f=
ault and I accept responsibility for it.&nbsp; Thankfully, my lovely wife ha=
s not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy.&nbsp; But I did l=
eave negative feedback on eBay.&nbsp; The EXACT words were =E2=80=9CTotal mi=
srepresentation of the car.&nbsp; Buyers beware=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; It never pos=
ted.&nbsp; I called eBay today and was told the seller had appealed my feedb=
ack as it was =E2=80=9Cpejorative and threatened the future success of his b=
usiness=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; As a result eBay had the right to remove it =E2=80=93=
 and they did.&nbsp; And they will not let me leave any negative feedback.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot=
;serif&quot;">I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cyn=
ical about mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.&nbsp; I g=
uess I am venting, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quo=
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Yes, and it could save one of us from the same experience.

Marty

________________________________
From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> on behalf of TERRY SMITH <=
[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 9:12 AM
To: Andrew Uprichard; [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] eBay - a sobering story

Terry

On October 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Andrew Uprichard <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own stupid=
ity.  I screwed up.  But the follow-up is where I think others need to be c=
areful.

Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been looki=
ng for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub.  I recently s=
aw one on eBay which was advertised as being =93in good condition=94.  It w=
as fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller twice and asked specifically a=
bout the extent of the rust:  he replied by assuring me the car was =93in g=
reat condition=94 with =93minimal rust=94.  I asked for additional pics, bu=
t he said it was difficult as the car was at a different location.

After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up =
within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a week.=
  The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn=92t make it.  He =
said OK, but he wanted the money immediately.  I called PayPal and they sai=
d I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car.  So I called=
 eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay vehicle protecti=
on plan (VPP).  So I paid.  My mistake.

A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to put =
my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I doubt =
 it could ever be restored.  Oh, and the frame was bent.  I told him I wasn=
=92t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wanted my money=
 back.  He told me tough, you paid already, it=92s yours.

I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars le=
ss than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the selle=
r.  After several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress =
of litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car.  When I got there=
 the seller told me he had sold it to someone else.  Great, I said, give me=
 my money.  Nah, he said, you take it and I=92ll deal with the other guy.  =
The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply loaded the car u=
p and drove home.

Bottom line =96 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of whic=
h is fiberglass.  The car is being collected this week for a trip to the sc=
rapyard.

It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it.  Thankfully, my lovely =
wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy.  But I di=
d leave negative feedback on eBay.  The EXACT words were =93Total misrepres=
entation of the car.  Buyers beware=94.  It never posted.  I called eBay to=
day and was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was =93pejorativ=
e and threatened the future success of his business=94.  As a result eBay h=
ad the right to remove it =96 and they did.  And they will not let me leave=
 any negative feedback.

I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical about ma=
nkind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.  I guess I am ventin=
g, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub=85=85=85

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 20, 2018 9:12 AM<br>
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You're doing the right thing, Andrew.&nbsp; Except publicize his name and w=
here he is.&nbsp; E-Bay may control official feedback, but word-of-mouth ha=
s ever been a civilian's defensive tool.<br>
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Terry<br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">On October 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Andrew Uprichard &=
lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
<br>
<br>
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<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility=
 for my own stupidity.&nbsp; I screwed up.&nbsp; But the follow-up is where=
 I think others need to be careful.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage,=
 I have been looking for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent =
tub.&nbsp; I recently saw one on eBay which
 was advertised as being =93in good condition=94.&nbsp; It was fairly expen=
sive, so I emailed the seller
<u>twice</u> and asked specifically about the extent of the rust:&nbsp; he =
replied by assuring me the car was =93in great condition=94 with =93minimal=
 rust=94.&nbsp; I asked for additional pics, but he said it was difficult a=
s the car was at a different location.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had t=
o pick the car up within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would b=
e gone for a week.&nbsp; The car was several
 hours away and I explained I couldn=92t make it.&nbsp; He said OK, but he =
wanted the money immediately.&nbsp; I called PayPal and they said I would l=
ose any protection if I paid before seeing the car.&nbsp; So I called eBay =
and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay
 vehicle protection plan (VPP).&nbsp; So I paid.&nbsp; My mistake. </span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes =
big enough to put my hand through and a passenger side with so much collisi=
on damage I doubt&nbsp; it could ever be
 restored.&nbsp; Oh, and the frame was bent.&nbsp; I told him I wasn=92t go=
ing to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wanted my money back.&=
nbsp; He told me tough, you paid already, it=92s yours.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only =
applies to cars less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other tha=
n to sue the seller.&nbsp; After several
 sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress of litigation and=
 so I drove back out to collect the car.&nbsp; When I got there the seller =
told me he had sold it to someone else.&nbsp; Great, I said, give me my mon=
ey.&nbsp; Nah, he said, you take it and I=92ll deal
 with the other guy.&nbsp; The seller had brought a few buddies over, and s=
o I simply loaded the car up and drove home.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">Bottom line =96 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fe=
nders, one of which is fiberglass.&nbsp; The car is being collected this we=
ek for a trip to the scrapyard.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it.&nbsp;=
 Thankfully, my lovely wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I for=
give the guy.&nbsp; But I did leave negative feedback
 on eBay.&nbsp; The EXACT words were =93Total misrepresentation of the car.=
&nbsp; Buyers beware=94.&nbsp; It never posted.&nbsp; I called eBay today a=
nd was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was =93pejorative and=
 threatened the future success of his business=94.&nbsp; As a result
 eBay had the right to remove it =96 and they did.&nbsp; And they will not =
let me leave any negative feedback.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little mor=
e cynical about mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.&nb=
sp; I guess I am venting, but if anyone has
 a good TR3 tub=85=85=85 </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
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w Roman','serif'">Andrew Uprichard
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">Jackson, Michigan
</span></p>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
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On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 11:19 AM TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote:

> You're doing the right thing, Andrew.  Except publicize his name and where
> he is.  E-Bay may control official feedback, but word-of-mouth has ever
> been a civilian's defensive tool.
>

Word-of-mouth is what eBay's Feedback system used to be, before they became
whatever it is that they are now.

Jeff Scarbrough
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat=
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   =20
<div><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;colo=
r:rgb(51,51,51)">You&#39;re doing the right thing, Andrew.=C2=A0 Except pub=
licize his name and where he is.=C2=A0 E-Bay may control official feedback,=
 but word-of-mouth has ever been a civilian&#39;s defensive tool.</p></div>=
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Word-of-mouth is what eBay&#39;s Feedback =
system used to be, before they became whatever it is that they are now.=C2=
=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Jeff Scarbrough</div><div>Corrosion Acres, Ga.=
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I had a similar experience.  I contacted eBay that a seller was not =
responding to me and would not refund my money.  They asked me to try to =
work with the seller to get hime to ship my item.  He did not, and when =
I went back to eBay they told me that too much time had elapsed and they =
could now not help me. Another time I won a set of NOS set of dash pulls =
for my TR6.  I won the auction for very short money, and then the seller =
=E2=80=9Ccouldn=E2=80=99t find" the items to ship.  There is a dark side =
to eBay and one must be careful, but I=E2=80=99ve had some very positive =
experiences as well. When I got one item in not the condition =
represented in the auction the seller sent me an almost new item =
replacement and $25.00 cash for my trouble.
Over time eBay has improved its policies, but the grifters manage to =
often stay one step ahead.
	Best,
	Bob
	'72 TR6

> On Oct 20, 2018, at 9:12 AM, TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> You're doing the right thing, Andrew.  Except publicize his name and =
where he is.  E-Bay may control official feedback, but word-of-mouth has =
ever been a civilian's defensive tool.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Terry
>=20
>> On October 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Andrew Uprichard =
<[email-masked]> wrote:=20
>> Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own =
stupidity.  I screwed up.  But the follow-up is where I think others =
need to be careful.=20
>>=20
>>  =20
>> Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been =
looking for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub.  I =
recently saw one on eBay which was advertised as being =E2=80=9Cin good =
condition=E2=80=9D.  It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller =
twice and asked specifically about the extent of the rust:  he replied =
by assuring me the car was =E2=80=9Cin great condition=E2=80=9D with =
=E2=80=9Cminimal rust=E2=80=9D.  I asked for additional pics, but he =
said it was difficult as the car was at a different location.=20
>>=20
>>  =20
>> After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the =
car up within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone =
for a week.  The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn=E2=80=
=99t make it.  He said OK, but he wanted the money immediately.  I =
called PayPal and they said I would lose any protection if I paid before =
seeing the car.  So I called eBay and they reassured me I was covered =
100% by the eBay vehicle protection plan (VPP).  So I paid.  My mistake.=20=

>>=20
>>  =20
>> A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough =
to put my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision =
damage I doubt  it could ever be restored.  Oh, and the frame was bent.  =
I told him I wasn=E2=80=99t going to take the car, he had misrepresented =
it, and I wanted my money back.  He told me tough, you paid already, =
it=E2=80=99s yours.=20
>>=20
>>  =20
>> I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to =
cars less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue =
the seller.  After several sleepless nights I decided I could do without =
the stress of litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car.  =
When I got there the seller told me he had sold it to someone else.  =
Great, I said, give me my money.  Nah, he said, you take it and I=E2=80=99=
ll deal with the other guy.  The seller had brought a few buddies over, =
and so I simply loaded the car up and drove home.=20
>>=20
>>  =20
>> Bottom line =E2=80=93 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, =
one of which is fiberglass.  The car is being collected this week for a =
trip to the scrapyard.=20
>>=20
>>  =20
>> It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it.  Thankfully, my =
lovely wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy. =
 But I did leave negative feedback on eBay.  The EXACT words were =
=E2=80=9CTotal misrepresentation of the car.  Buyers beware=E2=80=9D.  =
It never posted.  I called eBay today and was told the seller had =
appealed my feedback as it was =E2=80=9Cpejorative and threatened the =
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
had a similar experience. &nbsp;I contacted eBay that a seller was not =
responding to me and would not refund my money. &nbsp;They asked me to =
try to work with the seller to get hime to ship my item. &nbsp;He did =
not, and when I went back to eBay they told me that too much time had =
elapsed and they could now not help me. Another time I won a set of NOS =
set of dash pulls for my TR6. &nbsp;I won the auction for very short =
money, and then the seller =E2=80=9Ccouldn=E2=80=99t find" the items to =
ship. &nbsp;There is a dark side to eBay and one must be careful, but =
I=E2=80=99ve had some very positive experiences as well. When I got one =
item in not the condition represented in the auction the seller sent me =
an almost new item replacement and $25.00 cash for my trouble.<div =
class=3D"">Over time eBay has improved its policies, but the grifters =
manage to often stay one step ahead.</div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Best,</div><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>Bob</div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>'72 TR6<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Oct =
20, 2018, at 9:12 AM, TERRY SMITH &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><p =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: =
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" =
class=3D"">You're doing the right thing, Andrew.&nbsp; Except publicize =
his name and where he is.&nbsp; E-Bay may control official feedback, but =
word-of-mouth has ever been a civilian's defensive tool.<br =
class=3D""></p><p style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
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font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></p><p style=3D"font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
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none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
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text-decoration: none; font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D"">Terry<br =
class=3D""></p><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">On =
October 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Andrew Uprichard &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-WordSection1"><p =
class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D"">Before I start the =
story, let me take full responsibility for my own stupidity.&nbsp; I =
screwed up.&nbsp; But the follow-up is where I think others need to be =
careful.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></p><div=
 class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D"">Having bought a TR3 with =
a body which was beyond salvage, I have been looking for, and was =
prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub.&nbsp; I recently saw one =
on eBay which was advertised as being =E2=80=9Cin good =
condition=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the =
seller<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><u =
class=3D"">twice</u><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>and=
 asked specifically about the extent of the rust:&nbsp; he replied by =
assuring me the car was =E2=80=9Cin great condition=E2=80=9D with =
=E2=80=9Cminimal rust=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; I asked for additional pics, but =
he said it was difficult as the car was at a different location.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></p><div =
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serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<span =
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&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D"">After I bid and won, the =
seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up within 24 hours as he =
had a family commitment and would be gone for a week.&nbsp; The car was =
several hours away and I explained I couldn=E2=80=99t make it.&nbsp; He =
said OK, but he wanted the money immediately.&nbsp; I called PayPal and =
they said I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the =
car.&nbsp; So I called eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by =
the eBay vehicle protection plan (VPP).&nbsp; So I paid.&nbsp; My =
mistake.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></p><div=
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serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<span =
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class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D"">A week later I drove out =
and found a car with rust holes big enough to put my hand through and a =
passenger side with so much collision damage I doubt&nbsp; it could ever =
be restored.&nbsp; Oh, and the frame was bent.&nbsp; I told him I =
wasn=E2=80=99t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I =
wanted my money back.&nbsp; He told me tough, you paid already, it=E2=80=99=
s yours.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></p><div=
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serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<span =
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class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D"">I came home and called =
eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars less than 10 years old =
and that I had no recourse other than to sue the seller.&nbsp; After =
several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress of =
litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car.&nbsp; When I got =
there the seller told me he had sold it to someone else.&nbsp; Great, I =
said, give me my money.&nbsp; Nah, he said, you take it and I=E2=80=99ll =
deal with the other guy.&nbsp; The seller had brought a few buddies =
over, and so I simply loaded the car up and drove home.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></p><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D"">Bottom line =E2=80=93 I =
salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of which is =
fiberglass.&nbsp; The car is being collected this week for a trip to the =
scrapyard.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></p><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><br =
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class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D"">It was my fault and I =
accept responsibility for it.&nbsp; Thankfully, my lovely wife has not =
given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy.&nbsp; But I did =
leave negative feedback on eBay.&nbsp; The EXACT words were =E2=80=9CTotal=
 misrepresentation of the car.&nbsp; Buyers beware=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; It =
never posted.&nbsp; I called eBay today and was told the seller had =
appealed my feedback as it was =E2=80=9Cpejorative and threatened the =
future success of his business=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; As a result eBay had the =
right to remove it =E2=80=93 and they did.&nbsp; And they will not let =
me leave any negative feedback.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></p><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<span =
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&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D"">I still love the Triumph =
community, but I am a little more cynical about mankind (which is a =
shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.&nbsp; I guess I am venting, but if =
anyone has a good TR3 tub=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6<span =
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So sorry to hear.  Yes, please share names and eBay userid.   I bought a sup=
posedly 35k orig mile toyota 80 celica from worldwide vintage auto in Denver=
 Colorado.  Please be very aware when dealing with these folks.  They sell o=
n eBay.  The car had 132k miles and was  n an accident that a child could te=
ll. Didn=E2=80=99t look like that in the pictures.  They ended up taking the=
 car back less 20% restocking fee.  I couldn=E2=80=99t get them to get rid o=
f that.  They actually left paperwork in the car from previous owner so I ca=
lled him.  He verified the mileage and accident.   The guy at the dealership=
 stated it was an original low mileage car.  The have some nice cars on thei=
r website but I would go see it person before buying again.  So many today a=
re buying site unseen and people are taking advantage.  The saving grace is t=
hat this is the age of social media and the internet.  Word of mouth very im=
portant.   That=E2=80=99s why I like Bring a Trailer so much. =20
Hang in there and try to let this be the only one where they took advantage o=
f you.  You aren=E2=80=99t alone my friend.
Jim Henningsen

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 20, 2018, at 11:28 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>=20
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>> You're doing the right thing, Andrew.  Except publicize his name and wher=
e he is.  E-Bay may control official feedback, but word-of-mouth has ever be=
en a civilian's defensive tool.
>>=20
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> Word-of-mouth is what eBay's Feedback system used to be, before they becam=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">So sorry to hear. &nbsp;Yes, please share n=
ames and eBay userid. &nbsp; I bought a supposedly 35k orig mile toyota 80 c=
elica from worldwide vintage auto in Denver Colorado. &nbsp;Please be very a=
ware when dealing with these folks. &nbsp;They sell on eBay. &nbsp;The car h=
ad 132k miles and was &nbsp;n an accident that a child could tell. Didn=E2=80=
=99t look like that in the pictures. &nbsp;They ended up taking the car back=
 less 20% restocking fee. &nbsp;I couldn=E2=80=99t get them to get rid of th=
at. &nbsp;They actually left paperwork in the car from previous owner so I c=
alled him. &nbsp;He verified the mileage and accident. &nbsp; The guy at the=
 dealership stated it was an original low mileage car. &nbsp;The have some n=
ice cars on their website but I would go see it person before buying again. &=
nbsp;So many today are buying site unseen and people are taking advantage. &=
nbsp;The saving grace is that this is the age of social media and the intern=
et. &nbsp;Word of mouth very important. &nbsp; That=E2=80=99s why I like Bri=
ng a Trailer so much. &nbsp;<div>Hang in there and try to let this be the on=
ly one where they took advantage of you. &nbsp;You aren=E2=80=99t alone my f=
riend.</div><div>Jim Henningsen</div><div><br></div><div><div><div><br><div i=
d=3D"AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Oct 20, 2018, at=
 11:28 AM, Jeff Scarbrough &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">fishpl=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Oc=
t 20, 2018 at 11:19 AM TERRY SMITH &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=
<u></u>

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<div><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color=
:rgb(51,51,51)">You're doing the right thing, Andrew.&nbsp; Except publicize=
 his name and where he is.&nbsp; E-Bay may control official feedback, but wo=
rd-of-mouth has ever been a civilian's defensive tool.</p></div></blockquote=
><div><br></div><div>Word-of-mouth is what eBay's Feedback system used to be=
, before they became whatever it is that they are now.&nbsp;</div><div><br><=
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Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 04:22:27 +0000 (UTC)

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 small claims court.

    On Friday, October 19, 2018, 9:02:18 PM PDT, Andrew Uprichard <aupricha=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
=20
Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own stupid=
ity.=C2=A0 I screwed up.=C2=A0 But the follow-up is where I think others ne=
ed to be careful.

 =C2=A0

Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been looki=
ng for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub.=C2=A0 I recen=
tly saw one on eBay which was advertised as being =E2=80=9Cin good conditio=
n=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller twice an=
d asked specifically about the extent of the rust:=C2=A0 he replied by assu=
ring me the car was =E2=80=9Cin great condition=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Cmini=
mal rust=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 I asked for additional pics, but he said it was di=
fficult as the car was at a different location.

 =C2=A0

After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up =
within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a week.=
=C2=A0 The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn=E2=80=99t ma=
ke it.=C2=A0 He said OK, but he wanted the money immediately.=C2=A0 I calle=
d PayPal and they said I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing =
the car.=C2=A0 So I called eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by=
 the eBay vehicle protection plan (VPP).=C2=A0 So I paid.=C2=A0 My mistake.

 =C2=A0

A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to put =
my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I doubt=
=C2=A0 it could ever be restored.=C2=A0 Oh, and the frame was bent.=C2=A0 I=
 told him I wasn=E2=80=99t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it,=
 and I wanted my money back.=C2=A0 He told me tough, you paid already, it=
=E2=80=99s yours.

 =C2=A0

I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars le=
ss than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the selle=
r.=C2=A0 After several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the st=
ress of litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car.=C2=A0 When I=
 got there the seller told me he had sold it to someone else.=C2=A0 Great, =
I said, give me my money.=C2=A0 Nah, he said, you take it and I=E2=80=99ll =
deal with the other guy.=C2=A0 The seller had brought a few buddies over, a=
nd so I simply loaded the car up and drove home.

 =C2=A0

Bottom line =E2=80=93 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one o=
f which is fiberglass.=C2=A0 The car is being collected this week for a tri=
p to the scrapyard.

 =C2=A0

It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it.=C2=A0 Thankfully, my lo=
vely wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy.=C2=
=A0 But I did leave negative feedback on eBay.=C2=A0 The EXACT words were =
=E2=80=9CTotal misrepresentation of the car.=C2=A0 Buyers beware=E2=80=9D.=
=C2=A0 It never posted.=C2=A0 I called eBay today and was told the seller h=
ad appealed my feedback as it was =E2=80=9Cpejorative and threatened the fu=
ture success of his business=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 As a result eBay had the right=
 to remove it =E2=80=93 and they did.=C2=A0 And they will not let me leave =
any negative feedback.

 =C2=A0

I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical about ma=
nkind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.=C2=A0 I guess I am v=
enting, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6

 =C2=A0

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  http://www.team.net/archiv=
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        <div>small claims court.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b=
r></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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        </div><div id=3D"ydp9cfe3ab1yahoo_quoted_1083247244" class=3D"ydp9c=
fe3ab1yahoo_quoted">
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ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
               =20
                <div>
                    On Friday, October 19, 2018, 9:02:18 PM PDT, Andrew Upr=
ichard &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp9cfe3ab1yiv3051087869"><div><div class=
=3D"ydp9cfe3ab1yiv3051087869WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydp9cfe3ab1yiv3051087=
869MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Times New Roman, serif;">Before I =
start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own stupidity.&nbsp=
; I screwed up.&nbsp; But the follow-up is where I think others need to be =
careful.</span></p><p class=3D"ydp9cfe3ab1yiv3051087869MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:Times New Roman, serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"yd=
p9cfe3ab1yiv3051087869MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Times New Roman=
, serif;">Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have =
been looking for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub.&nbs=
p; I recently saw one on eBay which was advertised as being =E2=80=9Cin goo=
d condition=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the selle=
r <u>twice</u> and asked specifically about the extent of the rust:&nbsp; h=
e replied by assuring me the car was =E2=80=9Cin great condition=E2=80=9D w=
ith =E2=80=9Cminimal rust=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; I asked for additional pics, but =
he said it was difficult as the car was at a different location.</span></p>=
<p class=3D"ydp9cfe3ab1yiv3051087869MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:T=
imes New Roman, serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"ydp9cfe3ab1yiv3051087=
869MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Times New Roman, serif;">After I b=
id and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up within 24=
 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a week.&nbsp; Th=
e car was several hours away and I explained I couldn=E2=80=99t make it.&nb=
sp; He said OK, but he wanted the money immediately.&nbsp; I called PayPal =
and they said I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car.&=
nbsp; So I called eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay=
 vehicle protection plan (VPP).&nbsp; So I paid.&nbsp; My mistake.</span></=
p><p class=3D"ydp9cfe3ab1yiv3051087869MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family=
:Times New Roman, serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"ydp9cfe3ab1yiv30510=
87869MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Times New Roman, serif;">A week =
later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to put my hand=
 through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I doubt&nbsp; i=
t could ever be restored.&nbsp; Oh, and the frame was bent.&nbsp; I told hi=
m I wasn=E2=80=99t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I w=
anted my money back.&nbsp; He told me tough, you paid already, it=E2=80=99s=
 yours.</span></p><p class=3D"ydp9cfe3ab1yiv3051087869MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:Times New Roman, serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"ydp=
9cfe3ab1yiv3051087869MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Times New Roman,=
 serif;">I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies t=
o cars less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue =
the seller.&nbsp; After several sleepless nights I decided I could do witho=
ut the stress of litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car.&nbs=
p; When I got there the seller told me he had sold it to someone else.&nbsp=
; Great, I said, give me my money.&nbsp; Nah, he said, you take it and I=E2=
=80=99ll deal with the other guy.&nbsp; The seller had brought a few buddie=
s over, and so I simply loaded the car up and drove home.</span></p><p clas=
s=3D"ydp9cfe3ab1yiv3051087869MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Times Ne=
w Roman, serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"ydp9cfe3ab1yiv3051087869MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Times New Roman, serif;">Bottom line =E2=
=80=93 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of which is fibe=
rglass.&nbsp; The car is being collected this week for a trip to the scrapy=
ard.</span></p><p class=3D"ydp9cfe3ab1yiv3051087869MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-family:Times New Roman, serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"ydp9=
cfe3ab1yiv3051087869MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Times New Roman, =
serif;">It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it.&nbsp; Thankfull=
y, my lovely wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the g=
uy.&nbsp; But I did leave negative feedback on eBay.&nbsp; The EXACT words =
were =E2=80=9CTotal misrepresentation of the car.&nbsp; Buyers beware=E2=80=
=9D.&nbsp; It never posted.&nbsp; I called eBay today and was told the sell=
er had appealed my feedback as it was =E2=80=9Cpejorative and threatened th=
e future success of his business=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; As a result eBay had the r=
ight to remove it =E2=80=93 and they did.&nbsp; And they will not let me le=
ave any negative feedback.</span></p><p class=3D"ydp9cfe3ab1yiv3051087869Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Times New Roman, serif;"> &nbsp;</span>=
</p><p class=3D"ydp9cfe3ab1yiv3051087869MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Times New Roman, serif;">I still love the Triumph community, but I am a =
little more cynical about mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted wit=
h eBay.&nbsp; I guess I am venting, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub=E2=80=
=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6</span></p><p class=3D"ydp9cfe3ab1yiv3051087869MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-family:Times New Roman, serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p><=
p class=3D"ydp9cfe3ab1yiv3051087869MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Ti=
mes New Roman, serif;">Andrew Uprichard</span></p><p class=3D"ydp9cfe3ab1yi=
v3051087869MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Times New Roman, serif;">J=
ackson, Michigan</span></p><p class=3D"ydp9cfe3ab1yiv3051087869MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-family:Times New Roman, serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p><p cla=
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We can all also contact him via ebay and harass him

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From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Jim =
Henningsen
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 6:46 PM
To: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Cc: Triumphs ([email-masked]) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] eBay - a sobering story

=20

So sorry to hear.  Yes, please share names and eBay userid.   I bought a =
supposedly 35k orig mile toyota 80 celica from worldwide vintage auto in =
Denver Colorado.  Please be very aware when dealing with these folks.  =
They sell on eBay.  The car had 132k miles and was  n an accident that a =
child could tell. Didn=E2=80=99t look like that in the pictures.  They =
ended up taking the car back less 20% restocking fee.  I =
couldn=E2=80=99t get them to get rid of that.  They actually left =
paperwork in the car from previous owner so I called him.  He verified =
the mileage and accident.   The guy at the dealership stated it was an =
original low mileage car.  The have some nice cars on their website but =
I would go see it person before buying again.  So many today are buying =
site unseen and people are taking advantage.  The saving grace is that =
this is the age of social media and the internet.  Word of mouth very =
important.   That=E2=80=99s why I like Bring a Trailer so much. =20

Hang in there and try to let this be the only one where they took =
advantage of you.  You aren=E2=80=99t alone my friend.

Jim Henningsen

=20

=20

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 20, 2018, at 11:28 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked] =

=20

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 11:19 AM TERRY SMITH <[email-masked] =

=20

Word-of-mouth is what eBay's Feedback system used to be, before they =
became whatever it is that they are now.=20

=20

Jeff Scarbrough

Corrosion Acres, Ga.

http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>We can all =
also contact him via ebay and harass him<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim =
Henningsen<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 20, 2018 6:46 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Jeff Scarbrough =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Triumphs =
([email-masked]) =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] eBay - a =
sobering story<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>So sorry to =
hear. &nbsp;Yes, please share names and eBay userid. &nbsp; I bought a =
supposedly 35k orig mile toyota 80 celica from worldwide vintage auto in =
Denver Colorado. &nbsp;Please be very aware when dealing with these =
folks. &nbsp;They sell on eBay. &nbsp;The car had 132k miles and was =
&nbsp;n an accident that a child could tell. Didn=E2=80=99t look like =
that in the pictures. &nbsp;They ended up taking the car back less 20% =
restocking fee. &nbsp;I couldn=E2=80=99t get them to get rid of that. =
&nbsp;They actually left paperwork in the car from previous owner so I =
called him. &nbsp;He verified the mileage and accident. &nbsp; The guy =
at the dealership stated it was an original low mileage car. &nbsp;The =
have some nice cars on their website but I would go see it person before =
buying again. &nbsp;So many today are buying site unseen and people are =
taking advantage. &nbsp;The saving grace is that this is the age of =
social media and the internet. &nbsp;Word of mouth very important. =
&nbsp; That=E2=80=99s why I like Bring a Trailer so much. =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hang in there and try to =
let this be the only one where they took advantage of you. &nbsp;You =
aren=E2=80=99t alone my friend.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jim Henningsen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div id=3DAppleMailSignature><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Oct 20, 2018, at =
11:28 AM, Jeff Scarbrough &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 11:19 AM TERRY SMITH &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>You're doing the right thing, Andrew.&nbsp; Except publicize his name =
and where he is.&nbsp; E-Bay may control official feedback, but =
word-of-mouth has ever been a civilian's defensive =
tool.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Word-of-mouth is what eBay's Feedback system used to =
be, before they became whatever it is that they are =
now.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jeff Scarbrough<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Corrosion Acres, =
Ga.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote =
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From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 16:54:09 -0700

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On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 9:52 PM Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]> wrote:

> ...That=E2=80=99s why I like Bring a Trailer so much...
>

Over on the Triumph Experience a fellow got stung bad on a 'restored' TR4
he bought on Bring a Trailer.  He has basically no recourse and apparently
BaT is of no help at all.

I too would like to know the seller's info.  I bought two vehicles on eBay
sight-unseen, both were much better than I expected (still have them today)
-- but never again.

Geo

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Oct 20=
, 2018 at 9:52 PM Jim Henningsen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">t=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">...That=E2=80=99s why I like Bring a Traile=
r so much...</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Over on the Triumph Expe=
rience a fellow got stung bad on a &#39;restored&#39; TR4 he bought on Brin=
g a Trailer.=C2=A0 He has basically no recourse and apparently BaT is of no=
 help at all.</div><div><br></div><div>I too would like to know the seller&=
#39;s info.=C2=A0 I bought two vehicles on eBay sight-unseen, both were muc=
h better than I expected (still have them today) -- but never again.</div><=
div><br></div><div>Geo=C2=A0</div></div></div>

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From: Lawarence Schwartz <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 17:51:48 -0400

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My story goes as follows . I purchased a classic Mini Cooper pickup on Ebay f=
rom the other side of the pond , the UK. Description and photos were appeali=
ng so i decided to bid and i won the auction. Picked up my new toy at the po=
rt and trailered her home. Nice to find out that the floor boards were nothi=
ng more then heavy gauge aluminum foil . The bottom line is buyer beware. La=
rry Schwartz=20

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2018, at 11:27 AM, marty <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
[email-masked]>
> You're doing the right thing, Andrew.  Except publicize his name and where=
> wrote:=20
>> Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own stup=
idity.  I screwed up.  But the follow-up is where I think others need to be c=
areful.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been loo=
king for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub.  I recently s=
aw one on eBay which was advertised as being =E2=80=9Cin good condition=E2=80=
=9D.  It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller twice and asked speci=
fically about the extent of the rust:  he replied by assuring me the car was=
 =E2=80=9Cin great condition=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Cminimal rust=E2=80=9D.  I=
 asked for additional pics, but he said it was difficult as the car was at a=
 different location.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car u=
p within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a week=
.  The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn=E2=80=99t make it=
.  He said OK, but he wanted the money immediately.  I called PayPal and the=
y said I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car.  So I ca=
lled eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay vehicle prote=
ction plan (VPP).  So I paid.  My mistake.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to pu=
t my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I doubt=
  it could ever be restored.  Oh, and the frame was bent.  I told him I wasn=
=E2=80=99t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wanted my m=
oney back.  He told me tough, you paid already, it=E2=80=99s yours.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars l=
ess than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the selle=
r.  After several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress o=
f litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car.  When I got there t=
he seller told me he had sold it to someone else.  Great, I said, give me my=
 money.  Nah, he said, you take it and I=E2=80=99ll deal with the other guy.=
  The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply loaded the car u=
p and drove home.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Bottom line =E2=80=93 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one=
 of which is fiberglass.  The car is being collected this week for a trip to=
 the scrapyard.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it.  Thankfully, my lovel=
y wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy.  But I d=
id leave negative feedback on eBay.  The EXACT words were =E2=80=9CTotal mis=
representation of the car.  Buyers beware=E2=80=9D.  It never posted.  I cal=
led eBay today and was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was =E2=
=80=9Cpejorative and threatened the future success of his business=E2=80=9D.=
  As a result eBay had the right to remove it =E2=80=93 and they did.  And t=
hey will not let me leave any negative feedback.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical about m=
ankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.  I guess I am ventin=
g, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Andrew Uprichard
>>=20
>> Jackson, Michigan
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">My story goes as follows . I purchased a cl=
assic Mini Cooper pickup on Ebay from the other side of the pond , the UK. D=
escription and photos were appealing so i decided to bid and i won the aucti=
on. Picked up my new toy at the port and trailered her home. Nice to find ou=
t that the floor boards were nothing more then heavy gauge aluminum foil . T=
he bottom line is buyer beware. Larry Schwartz&nbsp;<br><br><div id=3D"Apple=
MailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Oct 20, 2018, at 11:27 A=
M, marty &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>

<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DWindows-12=
52">

<div id=3D"divtagdefaultwrapper" style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:#000000;font-=
family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;" dir=3D"ltr">
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Yes, and it could save one of us f=
rom the same experience.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Marty</p>
<br>
<br>
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<div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Calibr=
i, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; on behalf of TERRY SMITH &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">ter=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 20, 2018 9:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Uprichard; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">triu=
[email-masked]</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">6pack@autox=
.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] eBay - a sobering story</font>
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<p style=3D"font-size:12pt; font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color:rg=
b(51,51,51)">
You're doing the right thing, Andrew.&nbsp; Except publicize his name and wh=
ere he is.&nbsp; E-Bay may control official feedback, but word-of-mouth has e=
ver been a civilian's defensive tool.<br>
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<p style=3D"font-size:12pt; font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color:rg=
b(51,51,51)">
<br>
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<p style=3D"font-size:12pt; font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color:rg=
b(51,51,51)">
Terry<br>
</p>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On October 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Andrew Uprichard &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; wrote:
<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-WordSection1">
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility f=
or my own stupidity.&nbsp; I screwed up.&nbsp; But the follow-up is where I t=
hink others need to be careful.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I=
 have been looking for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub=
.&nbsp; I recently saw one on eBay which
 was advertised as being =E2=80=9Cin good condition=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; It was f=
airly expensive, so I emailed the seller
<u>twice</u> and asked specifically about the extent of the rust:&nbsp; he r=
eplied by assuring me the car was =E2=80=9Cin great condition=E2=80=9D with =E2=
=80=9Cminimal rust=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; I asked for additional pics, but he said i=
t was difficult as the car was at a different location.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to p=
ick the car up within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be go=
ne for a week.&nbsp; The car was several
 hours away and I explained I couldn=E2=80=99t make it.&nbsp; He said OK, bu=
t he wanted the money immediately.&nbsp; I called PayPal and they said I wou=
ld lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car.&nbsp; So I called eB=
ay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay
 vehicle protection plan (VPP).&nbsp; So I paid.&nbsp; My mistake. </span></=
p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes bi=
g enough to put my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision d=
amage I doubt&nbsp; it could ever be
 restored.&nbsp; Oh, and the frame was bent.&nbsp; I told him I wasn=E2=80=99=
t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wanted my money bac=
k.&nbsp; He told me tough, you paid already, it=E2=80=99s yours.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only ap=
plies to cars less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than t=
o sue the seller.&nbsp; After several
 sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress of litigation and s=
o I drove back out to collect the car.&nbsp; When I got there the seller tol=
d me he had sold it to someone else.&nbsp; Great, I said, give me my money.&=
nbsp; Nah, he said, you take it and I=E2=80=99ll deal
 with the other guy.&nbsp; The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so=
 I simply loaded the car up and drove home.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">Bottom line =E2=80=93 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2=
 fenders, one of which is fiberglass.&nbsp; The car is being collected this w=
eek for a trip to the scrapyard.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it.&nbsp; T=
hankfully, my lovely wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgiv=
e the guy.&nbsp; But I did leave negative feedback
 on eBay.&nbsp; The EXACT words were =E2=80=9CTotal misrepresentation of the=
 car.&nbsp; Buyers beware=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; It never posted.&nbsp; I called eB=
ay today and was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was =E2=80=9C=
pejorative and threatened the future success of his business=E2=80=9D.&nbsp;=
 As a result
 eBay had the right to remove it =E2=80=93 and they did.&nbsp; And they will=
 not let me leave any negative feedback.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more c=
ynical about mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.&nbsp; I=
 guess I am venting, but if anyone has
 a good TR3 tub=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">Andrew Uprichard
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">Jackson, Michigan
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
 Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
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From: DAVE HOGYE <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 08:20:58 -0700 (PDT)

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There are horrible TR3s being sold on BaT for high amounts.  January 2018, =
$29K apple green, total rust and Bondo bucket.  Another for $26K.  A black =
one last week for a not as high a price, $17K.  The seller of that car woul=
d not address my concerns, which may have kept the price lower.  Overall, t=
his car looked decent, but the frame was welded on from front to back, the =
floors were completely covered in sheet metal over the original rusty panel=
s.  Lots of filler in the lower body panels.  The transmission bell housing=
 had a big hole in it that was covered by a riveted on piece of sheet metal=
 and rattle can paint covered dirt, grease and more rust on the suspension =
and chassis.=20

In these cases, I think bidders and buyers don't know what they are looking=
 at. =20

Dave H.

> On October 21, 2018 at 4:54 PM Geo Hahn <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>     On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 9:52 PM Jim Henningsen < [email-masked] ma=
ilto:[email-masked] > wrote:
>     =20
>=20
>         > >         ...That=E2=80=99s why I like Bring a Trailer so much.=
..
> >=20
> >     >=20
>     Over on the Triumph Experience a fellow got stung bad on a 'restored'=
 TR4 he bought on Bring a Trailer.  He has basically no recourse and appare=
ntly BaT is of no help at all.
>=20
>     I too would like to know the seller's info.  I bought two vehicles on=
 eBay sight-unseen, both were much better than I expected (still have them =
today) -- but never again.
>     Geo=20
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</head><body><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sa=
ns-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">There are horrible TR3s being sold on Ba=
T for high amounts.&#160; January 2018, $29K apple green, total rust and Bo=
ndo bucket.&#160; Another for $26K.&#160; A black one last week for a not a=
s high a price, $17K.&#160; The seller of that car would not address my con=
cerns, which may have kept the price lower.&#160; Overall, this car looked =
decent, but the frame was welded on from front to back, the floors were com=
pletely covered in sheet metal over the original rusty panels.&#160; Lots o=
f filler in the lower body panels.&#160; The transmission bell housing had =
a big hole in it that was covered by a riveted on piece of sheet metal and =
rattle can paint covered dirt, grease and more rust on the suspension and c=
hassis.&#160;</p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial=
, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">In these cases, I think bidders and =
buyers don&#39;t know what they are looking at.&#160;&#160;</p><p style=3D"=
font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, =
51, 51);">Dave H.</p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On October 21, 2018 at 4:54 =
PM Geo Hahn &#60;[email-masked]&#62; wrote: <br> <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div class=3D"ox-ac9622787b-gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Oct 20, =
2018 at 9:52 PM Jim Henningsen &#60; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">t=
[email-masked]</a>&#62; wrote: <br></div><div>&#160;</div><blockquote><di=
v dir=3D"auto">...That&#8217;s why I like Bring a Trailer so much...</div><=
/blockquote><div><br></div><div>Over on the Triumph Experience a fellow got=
 stung bad on a &#39;restored&#39; TR4 he bought on Bring a Trailer.&#160; =
He has basically no recourse and apparently BaT is of no help at all.</div>=
<div><br></div><div>I too would like to know the seller&#39;s info.&#160; I=
 bought two vehicles on eBay sight-unseen, both were much better than I exp=
ected (still have them today) -- but never again.</div><div><br></div><div>=
Geo&#160;</div></div></div>** [email-masked] ** <br> <br>Donate: h=
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From: JOE CURRY <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 14:23:40 -0400 (EDT)

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Caveat emptor

> On October 23, 2018 at 11:20 AM DAVE HOGYE <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>     There are horrible TR3s being sold on BaT for high amounts.  January =
2018, $29K apple green, total rust and Bondo bucket.  Another for $26K.  A =
black one last week for a not as high a price, $17K.  The seller of that ca=
r would not address my concerns, which may have kept the price lower.  Over=
all, this car looked decent, but the frame was welded on from front to back=
, the floors were completely covered in sheet metal over the original rusty=
 panels.  Lots of filler in the lower body panels.  The transmission bell h=
ousing had a big hole in it that was covered by a riveted on piece of sheet=
 metal and rattle can paint covered dirt, grease and more rust on the suspe=
nsion and chassis.=20
>=20
>     In these cases, I think bidders and buyers don't know what they are l=
ooking at. =20
>=20
>     Dave H.
>=20
>         > > On October 21, 2018 at 4:54 PM Geo Hahn <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
> >=20
> >         On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 9:52 PM Jim Henningsen < trguy75@gmail.=
com mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
> >         =20
> >=20
> >             > > >             ...That=E2=80=99s why I like Bring a Trai=
ler so much...
> > >=20
> > >         > >=20
> >         Over on the Triumph Experience a fellow got stung bad on a 'res=
tored' TR4 he bought on Bring a Trailer.  He has basically no recourse and =
apparently BaT is of no help at all.
> >=20
> >         I too would like to know the seller's info.  I bought two vehic=
les on eBay sight-unseen, both were much better than I expected (still have=
 them today) -- but never again.
> >         Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team=
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</head><body><p>Caveat emptor</p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On October 23, 2=
018 at 11:20 AM DAVE HOGYE &#60;[email-masked]&#62; wrote: <br> <br><p=
 style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color=
: #333333;">There are horrible TR3s being sold on BaT for high amounts.&#16=
0; January 2018, $29K apple green, total rust and Bondo bucket.&#160; Anoth=
er for $26K.&#160; A black one last week for a not as high a price, $17K.&#=
160; The seller of that car would not address my concerns, which may have k=
ept the price lower.&#160; Overall, this car looked decent, but the frame w=
as welded on from front to back, the floors were completely covered in shee=
t metal over the original rusty panels.&#160; Lots of filler in the lower b=
ody panels.&#160; The transmission bell housing had a big hole in it that w=
as covered by a riveted on piece of sheet metal and rattle can paint covere=
d dirt, grease and more rust on the suspension and chassis.&#160;</p><p sty=
le=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: #3=
33333;">In these cases, I think bidders and buyers don&#39;t know what they=
 are looking at.&#160;&#160;</p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: h=
elvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: #333333;">Dave H.</p><blockquote type=
=3D"cite">On October 21, 2018 at 4:54 PM Geo Hahn &#60;[email-masked]=
&#62; wrote: <br> <br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"ox-173869f10b-ox-ac962=
2787b-gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 9:52 PM Jim Hen=
ningsen &#60; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&#6=
2; wrote: <br></div><div>&#160;</div><blockquote><div dir=3D"auto">...That&=
#8217;s why I like Bring a Trailer so much...</div></blockquote><div><br></=
div><div>Over on the Triumph Experience a fellow got stung bad on a &#39;re=
stored&#39; TR4 he bought on Bring a Trailer.&#160; He has basically no rec=
ourse and apparently BaT is of no help at all.</div><div><br></div><div>I t=
oo would like to know the seller&#39;s info.&#160; I bought two vehicles on=
 eBay sight-unseen, both were much better than I expected (still have them =
today) -- but never again.</div><div><br></div><div>Geo&#160;</div></div></=
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