Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A trailing arms

From: Anthony Rhodes <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 10:56:47 -0400

The TR6 trailing arms are not interchangeable.  The runner bump stop is part of the arm on the TR6 and is part of the FRAME on the 4A.  I believe that is the only difference, but it makes it non-interchangeable.  

-Tony

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> On Oct 4, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Alex & Janet Thomson <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Will TR-6 trailing arms work?  I have a set.
> 
> Alex Thomson
> Woodbury, CT.
> 203-266-4067
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> I am looking to buy a pair of trailing arms for a TR4A.  My studs are in bad
> shape and I am looking for replacement arms with decent studs.  I will
> likely fit the Goodparts axles with 3/8" studs so the studs themselves
> currently in the replacement arms are not critical.  The aluminum of the
> trailing arms does need to be in good shape.  
> 
> Does anyone know of some trailing arms that I can buy!
> 
> -Tony
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Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 11:01:36 -0400

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Yes you are right.  But these studs have already been helicoiled and I think=
 the original stud circle was not well done at the factory and they are not p=
erfectly centered so some have negligible wall remaining around some of the c=
ircumference of the helicoil. =20

I may be able to get the holes all welded up, but maybe not.  And then re-dr=
illing MIGHT be a problem because the original aluminum is the softest alloy=
 I have ever seen.  When drilling for new studs, the drill might try to cut e=
ccentrically into the softer aluminum rather than into the weld. =20

So I thought that starting with fresh trailing arms might be best. =20

-Tony

> On Oct 4, 2018, at 10:22 AM, Chris Simo <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> it's pretty easy to go one size larger. or helicoil....
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> Sent from my TRASH-80
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>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018, 9:35 AM Anthony Rhodes <[email-masked]> wrote:
>> I am looking to buy a pair of trailing arms for a TR4A.  My studs are in b=
ad shape and I am looking for replacement arms with decent studs.  I will li=
kely fit the Goodparts axles with 3/8" studs so the studs themselves current=
ly in the replacement arms are not critical.  The aluminum of the trailing a=
rms does need to be in good shape. =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Yes you are right. &nbsp;But these stu=
ds have already been helicoiled and I think the original stud circle was not=
 well done at the factory and they are not perfectly centered so some have n=
egligible wall remaining around some of the circumference of the helicoil. &=
nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSign=
ature">I may be able to get the holes all welded up, but maybe not. &nbsp;An=
d then re-drilling MIGHT be a problem because the original aluminum is the s=
oftest alloy I have ever seen. &nbsp;When drilling for new studs, the drill m=
ight try to cut eccentrically into the softer aluminum rather than into the w=
eld. &nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMa=
ilSignature">So I thought that starting with fresh trailing arms might be be=
st. &nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMai=
lSignature">-Tony</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br>Sent from my 1837 B=
abbage Analytical Engine</div><div><br>On Oct 4, 2018, at 10:22 AM, Chris Si=
mo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"auto">it's pre=
tty easy to go one size larger. or helicoil....<br><br><div data-smartmail=3D=
"gmail_signature">Sent from my TRASH-80</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Oct 4, 2018, 9:35 AM Anthony Rhodes &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I am looking to buy a pair of trailing arms f=
or a TR4A.&nbsp; My studs are in bad shape and I am looking for replacement a=
rms with decent studs.&nbsp; I will likely fit the Goodparts axles with 3/8"=
 studs so the studs themselves currently in the replacement arms are not cri=
tical.&nbsp; The aluminum of the trailing arms does need to be in good shape=
.&nbsp; <br>
<br>
Does anyone know of some trailing arms that I can buy!<br>
<br>
-Tony<br>
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From: Jack McGahey <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 11:06:39 -0400

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Just how bad are the  stud holes in the ones you have?
They=E2=80=99d have to be pretty bad to not be repairable - whatever trailin=
g arm goes back on the car should have keenserts or helicoils installed in t=
hose holes - so you=E2=80=99d be drilling out significantly larger holes - e=
specially if you fit larger studs and use keenserts (if I remember correctly=
, keenserts require a larger hole than helicoils)
Of course you would need this:
http://www.pattonmachine.com/TAK.htm

Cheers,
Jack Mc

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Just how bad are the &nbsp;stud holes in th=
e ones you have?<div>They=E2=80=99d have to be pretty bad to not be repairab=
le - whatever trailing arm goes back on the car should have keenserts or hel=
icoils installed in those holes - so you=E2=80=99d be drilling out significa=
ntly larger holes - especially if you fit larger studs and use keenserts (if=
 I remember correctly, keenserts require a larger hole than helicoils)</div>=
<div>Of course you would need this:</div><div><a href=3D"http://www.pattonma=
chine.com/TAK.htm">http://www.pattonmachine.com/TAK.htm</a></div><div><br></=
div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Jack Mc<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Sen=
t from my iPad</div><div><br>On Oct 4, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Anthony Rhodes &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><span>I am looking to buy a pair o=
f trailing arms for a TR4A. &nbsp;My studs are in bad shape and I am looking=
 for replacement arms with decent studs. &nbsp;I will likely fit the Goodpar=
ts axles with 3/8" studs so the studs themselves currently in the replacemen=
t arms are not critical. &nbsp;The aluminum of the trailing arms does need t=
o be in good shape. &nbsp;</span><br><span></span><br><span>Does anyone know=
 of some trailing arms that I can buy!</span><br><span></span><br><span>-Ton=
y</span><br><span></span><br><span>Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engi=
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From: Anthony Rhodes <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 12:03:34 -0400

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The holes are not wonderful.  I am the one who did it.  Actually they ARE ke=
enserts that I personally installed with the Patton kit. =20

At the time I did not realize that the original holes were not well aligned i=
n the "lugs". So the TA and the stud circle are not co-axial. This resulted i=
n 1 or maybe 2 of the drilled holes for the keenserts having a small break-t=
hrough in the inner wall of the TA. =20

This was done 2 years ago, and probably 2000 miles ago with no obvious probl=
em. =20

BUT it has been nagging me and I feel that it is less than 100% perfect and t=
he opening can allow water ingress and set up corrosion causing long term pr=
oblems.  I did apply JB weld to the perforation to try to seal it but that i=
s not really a "repair". I would really HATE for the hub to separate from th=
e TA!!!!

So I think it is better to proactively work to make the TAs right=20

-Tony

> On Oct 4, 2018, at 11:06 AM, Jack McGahey <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> They=E2=80=99d have to be pretty bad to not be repairable - whatever trail=
ing arm goes back on the car should have keenserts or helicoils installed in=
 those holes - so you=E2=80=99d be drilling out significantly larger holes -=
 especially if you fit larger studs and use keenserts (if I remember correct=
ly, keenserts require a larger hole than helicoils)
ive
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>The holes are not wonderful. &nbsp;I a=
m the one who did it. &nbsp;Actually they ARE keenserts that I personally in=
stalled with the Patton kit. &nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br>=
</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">At the time I did not realize that the o=
riginal holes were not well aligned in the "lugs". So the TA and the stud ci=
rcle are not co-axial. This resulted in 1 or maybe 2 of the drilled holes fo=
r the keenserts having a small break-through in the inner wall of the TA. &n=
bsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSigna=
ture">This was done 2 years ago, and probably 2000 miles ago with no obvious=
 problem. &nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"Ap=
pleMailSignature">BUT it has been nagging me and I feel that it is less than=
 100% perfect and the opening can allow water ingress and set up corrosion c=
ausing long term problems. &nbsp;I did apply JB weld to the perforation to t=
ry to seal it but that is not really a "repair". I would really HATE for the=
 hub to separate from the TA!!!!</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></d=
iv><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">So I think it is better to proactively wor=
k to make the TAs right&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div>=
<div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">-Tony<br><br>Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analyt=
ical Engine</div><div><br>On Oct 4, 2018, at 11:06 AM, Jack McGahey &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></d=
iv><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D=
"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Just how bad are the &nbsp;stud holes in the on=
es you have?<div>They=E2=80=99d have to be pretty bad to not be repairable -=
 whatever trailing arm goes back on the car should have keenserts or helicoi=
ls installed in those holes - so you=E2=80=99d be drilling out significantly=
 larger holes - especially if you fit larger studs and use keenserts (if I r=
emember correctly, keenserts require a larger hole than helicoils)</div><div=
>Of course you would need this:</div><div><a href=3D"http://www.pattonmachin=
e.com/TAK.htm">http://www.pattonmachine.com/TAK.htm</a></div><div><br></div>=
<div>Cheers,</div><div>Jack Mc<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Sent fr=
om my iPad</div><div><br>On Oct 4, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Anthony Rhodes &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br=
></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><span>I am looking to buy a pair of tr=
ailing arms for a TR4A. &nbsp;My studs are in bad shape and I am looking for=
 replacement arms with decent studs. &nbsp;I will likely fit the Goodparts a=
xles with 3/8" studs so the studs themselves currently in the replacement ar=
ms are not critical. &nbsp;The aluminum of the trailing arms does need to be=
 in good shape. &nbsp;</span><br><span></span><br><span>Does anyone know of s=
ome trailing arms that I can buy!</span><br><span></span><br><span>-Tony</sp=
an><br><span></span><br><span>Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine</s=
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Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 13:37:15 -0400

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I=E2=80=99ve copied Marv Gruber he may have a pair or call Scott Harper =
at Team Triumph in Warren OH. 330-392-7176
Both are good resources. The Patton tool works well, I=E2=80=99ve used =
it. It will locate well if Keen Serts can still be used.
JVV

From: Jack McGahey=20
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2018 11:06 AM
To: Anthony Rhodes=20
Cc: [email-masked]=20
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A trailing arms

Just how bad are the  stud holes in the ones you have?=20
They=E2=80=99d have to be pretty bad to not be repairable - whatever =
trailing arm goes back on the car should have keenserts or helicoils =
installed in those holes - so you=E2=80=99d be drilling out =
significantly larger holes - especially if you fit larger studs and use =
keenserts (if I remember correctly, keenserts require a larger hole than =
helicoils)
Of course you would need this:
http://www.pattonmachine.com/TAK.htm

Cheers,
Jack Mc

Sent from my iPad

  I am looking to buy a pair of trailing arms for a TR4A.  My studs are =
in bad shape and I am looking for replacement arms with decent studs.  I =
will likely fit the Goodparts axles with 3/8" studs so the studs =
themselves currently in the replacement arms are not critical.  The =
aluminum of the trailing arms does need to be in good shape. =20

  -Tony

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<DIV>I=E2=80=99ve copied Marv Gruber he may have a pair or call Scott =
Harper at Team=20
Triumph in Warren OH. 330-392-7176</DIV>
<DIV>Both are good resources. The Patton tool works well, I=E2=80=99ve =
used it. It will=20
locate well if Keen Serts can still be used.</DIV>
<DIV>JVV</DIV>
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McGahey</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 4, 2018 11:06 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]>Anthony Rhodes</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [TR] TR4A trailing arms</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>Just=20
how bad are the&nbsp; stud holes in the ones you have?=20
<DIV>They=E2=80=99d have to be pretty bad to not be repairable - =
whatever trailing arm=20
goes back on the car should have keenserts or helicoils installed in =
those holes=20
- so you=E2=80=99d be drilling out significantly larger holes - =
especially if you fit=20
larger studs and use keenserts (if I remember correctly, keenserts =
require a=20
larger hole than helicoils)</DIV>
<DIV>Of course you would need this:</DIV>
<DIV><A=20
href=3D"http://www.pattonmachine.com/TAK.htm">http://www.pattonmachine.co=
m/TAK.htm</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV>Jack Mc<BR><BR>
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  studs are in bad shape and I am looking for replacement arms with =
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  studs.&nbsp; I will likely fit the Goodparts axles with 3/8" studs so =
the=20
  studs themselves currently in the replacement arms are not =
critical.&nbsp; The=20
  aluminum of the trailing arms does need to be in good shape.&nbsp;=20
  </SPAN><BR><SPAN></SPAN><BR><SPAN>Does anyone know of some trailing =
arms that=20
  I can=20
  =
buy!</SPAN><BR><SPAN></SPAN><BR><SPAN>-Tony</SPAN><BR><SPAN></SPAN><BR><S=
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