Subject: Re: [TR] sobering story - last point

From: "Andrew Uprichard" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 08:43:42 -0400

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And for the many people who asked - stay away from rusty, bent cars being
sold from the northern suburbs of Cleveland, OH.

From: Andrew Uprichard [mailto:[email-masked]] 
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:36 AM
To: [email-masked]'
Subject: sobering story

Thank you so much for the feedback, both individualized and shared with the
list.  Several of you have had similar bad experiences, some shared the fact
that it is really, really hard to forgive someone you are mad with, and some
spelled out in great detail how I could approach the situation from a legal
standpoint.  Thank you all.

I have learned a lot:

1.     Don't be so trustworthy

2.     eBay has its flaws

3.     Get someone locally to go look at a car before bidding or paying

4.     This list has a lot of really great people

Andrew Uprichard

Older and wiser J

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style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>And for =
the many people who asked &#8211; stay away from rusty, bent cars being =
sold from the northern suburbs of Cleveland, OH.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Andrew Uprichard [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> =
Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]'<br><b>Subject:</b> sobering =
story<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Thank you so much for =
the feedback, both individualized and shared with the list.&nbsp; =
Several of you have had similar bad experiences, some shared the fact =
that it is really, really hard to forgive someone you are mad with, and =
some spelled out in great detail how I could approach the situation from =
a legal standpoint.&nbsp; Thank you all.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>I have learned a =
lot:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
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!supportLists]><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'>Don&#8217;t be so trustworthy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
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style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'>eBay has its flaws<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'>Get someone locally to go look at a car before bidding =
or paying<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if =
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Roman","serif"'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'>This list has a lot of really great =
people<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Andrew =
Uprichard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Older and wiser =
</span><span style=3D'font-family:Wingdings'>J</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
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 Yes, indeed.=C2=A0 That reminds me of a story about a ferry that sank full=
 of Model T's being sent to a Canadian dealer.=C2=A0 Henry Ford put in an i=
nsurace claim for full retail but the insurance company said it would only =
pay fabrication costs.=C2=A0 But many years later someone decided to recove=
r these cars from the bottom of the lake and restore them.
Buyer beware.
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From: Tom Walling <[email-masked]>
To: Andrew Uprichard <[email-masked]>; Andrew Uprichard via 6pack=
 <[email-masked]>; triumphs <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sun, Oct 21, 2018 9:17 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] sobering story - last point

Errr, OK, but aren't the northern suburbs of Cleveland somewhere under Lake=
 Erie?=C2=A0

On October 21, 2018 at 8:43 AM Andrew Uprichard via 6pack <[email-masked]=
.net> wrote:=20
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And for the many people who asked =E2=80=93 stay away from rusty, bent cars=
 being sold from the northern suburbs of Cleveland, OH.  =C2=A0 From: Andre=
w Uprichard [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:36 AM
To: [email-masked]'
Subject: sobering story =C2=A0Thank you so much for the feedback, both indi=
vidualized and shared with the list.=C2=A0 Several of you have had similar =
bad experiences, some shared the fact that it is really, really hard to for=
give someone you are mad with, and some spelled out in great detail how I c=
ould approach the situation from a legal standpoint.=C2=A0 Thank you all.  =
=C2=A0 I have learned a lot: 1.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Don=E2=80=99t be so=
 trustworthy 2.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 eBay has its flaws 3.=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Get someone locally to go look at a car before bidding or payi=
ng 4.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 This list has a lot of really great people  =
=C2=A0 Andrew Uprichard Older and wiser J

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<div> <font size=3D"3">Yes, indeed.&nbsp; That reminds me of a story about =
a ferry that sank full of Model T's being sent to a Canadian dealer.&nbsp; =
Henry Ford put in an insurace claim for full retail but the insurance compa=
ny said it would only pay fabrication costs.&nbsp; But many years later som=
eone decided to recover these cars from the bottom of the lake and restore =
them.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Buyer beware.</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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Original Message-----<br>
From: Tom Walling &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Andrew Uprichard &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Andrew Uprichard via=
 6pack &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&g=
t;<br>
Sent: Sun, Oct 21, 2018 9:17 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] sobering story - last point<br>
<br>

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<div style=3D"color:#333333;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;font-s=
ize:12pt;">Errr, OK, but aren't the northern suburbs of Cleveland somewhere=
 <em>under</em> Lake Erie?</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv7886804283yqt2579159567" id=3D"yiv7886804283yqt17587"><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite">On October 21, 2018 at 8:43 AM Andrew Uprichard via 6=
pack &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote: <br clear=3D"none"> <br clear=3D"n=
one">
<div class=3D"yiv7886804283ox-8d5186cf1f-WordSection1">
<div class=3D"yiv7886804283ox-8d5186cf1f-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:'Times New Roman', 'serif';color:#1f497d;">And for the many people who =
asked =E2=80=93 stay away from rusty, bent cars being sold from the norther=
n suburbs of Cleveland, OH. </span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv7886804283ox-8d5186cf1f-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:'Times New Roman', 'serif';color:#1f497d;"> &nbsp; </span></div>

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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
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<div class=3D"yiv7886804283ox-8d5186cf1f-MsoNormal"><strong><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Tahoma', 'sans-serif';">From:</span></strong>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Tahoma', 'sans-serif';"> Andre=
w Uprichard [mailto:[email-masked]] <br clear=3D"none"><strong>Se=
nt:</strong> Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:36 AM<br clear=3D"none"><strong>To:=
</strong> [email-masked]'<br clear=3D"none"><strong>Subject:</str=
ong> sobering story </span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7886804283ox-8d5186cf1f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv7886804283ox-8d5186cf1f-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:'Times New Roman', 'serif';">Thank you so much for the feedback, both i=
ndividualized and shared with the list.&nbsp; Several of you have had simil=
ar bad experiences, some shared the fact that it is really, really hard to =
forgive someone you are mad with, and some spelled out in great detail how =
I could approach the situation from a legal standpoint.&nbsp; Thank you all=
. </span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv7886804283ox-8d5186cf1f-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:'Times New Roman', 'serif';"> &nbsp; </span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv7886804283ox-8d5186cf1f-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:'Times New Roman', 'serif';">I have learned a lot: </span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv7886804283ox-8d5186cf1f-MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:'Times New Roman', 'serif';">1.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt 'Times =
New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:'Times New Roman', 'serif';">Don=E2=80=99t be so trustworthy </span></d=
iv>

<div class=3D"yiv7886804283ox-8d5186cf1f-MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:'Times New Roman', 'serif';">2.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt 'Times =
New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:'Times New Roman', 'serif';">eBay has its flaws </span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv7886804283ox-8d5186cf1f-MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:'Times New Roman', 'serif';">3.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt 'Times =
New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:'Times New Roman', 'serif';">Get someone locally to go look at a car be=
fore bidding or paying </span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv7886804283ox-8d5186cf1f-MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:'Times New Roman', 'serif';">4.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt 'Times =
New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style=3D"font-fam=
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 </span></div>

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