From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Fri Jun 1 00:54:10 2018
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 08:54:10 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Classic Race Aarhus / Denmark
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https://youtu.be/V1vXh94z_gw
This is a link to an Aarhus video onboard of my TR4A of the free practice : this went very well. The timed practice ended in a crash though : I will post that link too. (tags for Youtube : TrCompetition; Aarhus; Marcel Van Mulders.
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Verzonden: Vrijdag 1 juni 2018 03:01:13
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Classic Race Aarhus / Denmark
Chris...
WOW! Narrow streets. Exciting! Dangerous!
Bill Dentinger
PS Down through the years I ran five street races: two in Minneapolis, Minnesota, two in Grand Rapids, Michigan and one in Saint Petersburg, Florida. I enjoyed them, but they could be scary.
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On Thursday, May 31, 2018, Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote:
Hi Guys,
I was asked to bring the TR8 to Aarhus to enter the show-class for some demonstration laps.
Aarhus is a narrow town race track.
I didn?t went very fast, cold tires and concrete walls are not good for fast laptimes.
So the TR8 went 2 seconds slower round that track than the TR4?.and the TR4 went 2 seconds slower round that track as the fastest TR4.
[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U3J34AdaBQ&feature=youtu.be | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U3J34AdaBQ&feature=youtu.be ]
But, I could test some tweaks after the Hockenheim event to be prepared for Spa Summer Classic race event.
Cheers
Chris
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Fri Jun 1 01:27:58 2018
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 09:27:58 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Classic Race Aarhus / Denmark
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<163b8dce174-c95-2a3e0@webjas-vaa205.srv.aolmail.net>
https://youtu.be/G2KyPMXaHiw
This is a link to the video of the timed practice the next day. The crash is simply a case of braking too late.
Marcel
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Verzonden: Vrijdag 1 juni 2018 03:01:13
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Classic Race Aarhus / Denmark
Chris...
WOW! Narrow streets. Exciting! Dangerous!
Bill Dentinger
PS Down through the years I ran five street races: two in Minneapolis, Minnesota, two in Grand Rapids, Michigan and one in Saint Petersburg, Florida. I enjoyed them, but they could be scary.
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On Thursday, May 31, 2018, Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote:
Hi Guys,
I was asked to bring the TR8 to Aarhus to enter the show-class for some demonstration laps.
Aarhus is a narrow town race track.
I didn?t went very fast, cold tires and concrete walls are not good for fast laptimes.
So the TR8 went 2 seconds slower round that track than the TR4?.and the TR4 went 2 seconds slower round that track as the fastest TR4.
[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U3J34AdaBQ&feature=youtu.be | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U3J34AdaBQ&feature=youtu.be ]
But, I could test some tweaks after the Hockenheim event to be prepared for Spa Summer Classic race event.
Cheers
Chris
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From TLizzard at msn.com Sat Jun 2 11:53:06 2018
From: TLizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 17:53:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Panasport Wheel Question...
Folks,
I am considering replacing the old 15x6 Revolution wheels on my street TR3. The 6? width is just a bit much for the old girl and I have to run ? inch spacers to clear some various bits on the inside of the fender wells. They were originally for TR6s as I recall, and I purchased them from American Revolution decades ago on close out.
So I?m thinking about going to the 5.5? Panasports as the are the narrowest allow wheel I know of currently on the market.
My question is, will the Panasports work with the stock TR3 wheel studs? My TR3 is strictly a street car and so I do not run the big Moroso wheel studs like the competition cars do.
I wish there was a 5? wide wheel, but that is not the case. Also wondering about tires. I want to stick with 165-15s as they are the correct size and fit under the fenders as they should, trouble is there are so few good tires in that size anymore. Only ones I am aware of that are remotely good are the Vredestein Sprints, any others worth a look?
Thanks.
Terry Stetler
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Jun 2 15:36:08 2018
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 17:36:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Panasport Wheel Question...
References: <CY4PR19MB09030CCD33A80641FC244172C3610@CY4PR19MB0903.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Have you looked into ROTA wheels? Made in the Phillipines as I understand it. Economical and nice looking wheels. Not sure of sizes or widths.
Good luck, Bill
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From: Terry Stetler via Fot
To: Friends of Triumph
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2018 1:53 PM
Subject: [Fot] Panasport Wheel Question...
Folks,
I am considering replacing the old 15x6 Revolution wheels on my street TR3. The 6? width is just a bit much for the old girl and I have to run ? inch spacers to clear some various bits on the inside of the fender wells. They were originally for TR6s as I recall, and I purchased them from American Revolution decades ago on close out.
So I?m thinking about going to the 5.5? Panasports as the are the narrowest allow wheel I know of currently on the market.
My question is, will the Panasports work with the stock TR3 wheel studs? My TR3 is strictly a street car and so I do not run the big Moroso wheel studs like the competition cars do.
I wish there was a 5? wide wheel, but that is not the case. Also wondering about tires. I want to stick with 165-15s as they are the correct size and fit under the fenders as they should, trouble is there are so few good tires in that size anymore. Only ones I am aware of that are remotely good are the Vredestein Sprints, any others worth a look?
Thanks.
Terry Stetler
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From TLizzard at msn.com Sat Jun 2 16:18:03 2018
From: TLizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 22:18:03 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Panasport Wheel Question...
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Rotas only come in 6? width. They are good looking though, I have to say.
Terry
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Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2018 5:36:08 PM
To: Terry Stetler; Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Panasport Wheel Question...
Have you looked into ROTA wheels? Made in the Phillipines as I understand it. Economical and nice looking wheels. Not sure of sizes or widths.
Good luck, Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2018 1:53 PM
Subject: [Fot] Panasport Wheel Question...
Folks,
I am considering replacing the old 15x6 Revolution wheels on my street TR3. The 6? width is just a bit much for the old girl and I have to run ? inch spacers to clear some various bits on the inside of the fender wells. They were originally for TR6s as I recall, and I purchased them from American Revolution decades ago on close out.
So I?m thinking about going to the 5.5? Panasports as the are the narrowest allow wheel I know of currently on the market.
My question is, will the Panasports work with the stock TR3 wheel studs? My TR3 is strictly a street car and so I do not run the big Moroso wheel studs like the competition cars do.
I wish there was a 5? wide wheel, but that is not the case. Also wondering about tires. I want to stick with 165-15s as they are the correct size and fit under the fenders as they should, trouble is there are so few good tires in that size anymore. Only ones I am aware of that are remotely good are the Vredestein Sprints, any others worth a look?
Thanks.
Terry Stetler
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From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Sun Jun 3 04:57:32 2018
From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 06:57:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Panasport Wheel Question...
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Hi Terry,
Yes, the Panasports will fit the stock studs on a TR3. I
ordered mine out of Moss Motors a few years back and installed Vredestein
185/70R15 with no issues. A touch wider than the stock tire size but they
filled the fender wells quite nicely without going overboard. I've been very
happy with the Vredesteins on my street TR3A. There are photos of my black
TR3A on my website www.pennridgemotors.com <http://www.pennridgemotors.com>
There is also a Firestone F560 tire available in the stock size that is less
money, has the right vintage look in my opinion. I have mounted a couple of
sets of these for customer cars. They handle well due to a soft treadwear
rating.
Tim Hutchisen
Norway, ME
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Terry Stetler via
Fot
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2018 1:53 PM
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Panasport Wheel Question...
Folks,
I am considering replacing the old 15x6 Revolution wheels on my street TR3.
The 6? width is just a bit much for the old girl and I have to run ? inch
spacers to clear some various bits on the inside of the fender wells. They
were originally for TR6s as I recall, and I purchased them from American
Revolution decades ago on close out.
So I?m thinking about going to the 5.5? Panasports as the are the narrowest
allow wheel I know of currently on the market.
My question is, will the Panasports work with the stock TR3 wheel studs?
My TR3 is strictly a street car and so I do not run the big Moroso wheel
studs like the competition cars do.
I wish there was a 5? wide wheel, but that is not the case. Also wondering
about tires. I want to stick with 165-15s as they are the correct size and
fit under the fenders as they should, trouble is there are so few good tires
in that size anymore. Only ones I am aware of that are remotely good are
the Vredestein Sprints, any others worth a look?
Thanks.
Terry Stetler
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From ofracer at gmail.com Sun Jun 3 11:36:43 2018
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 13:36:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment
I had a new failure this weekend at Lime Rock with the Spitfire. 1st lap of
the weekend, doing a sedate warm up around the track under full course
yellow. When I start down the front straight and put it in 4th gear,
there's a big vibration and ugly noises (short video attached). I was flat
towed back to the paddock and when I took the tranny hump cover off, I
found the shifter had snapped (see picture). A little more poking around
and I discovered the aluminum bell housing was cracked from side to side
and two bearing caps were missing from the tranny end of the driveshaft u
joint (replaced over the winter).
I'm going to pull the tranny, driveshaft and diff to see what damage has
been done. In the past, at the same spot at Lime Rock, I had a problem with
the diff that 1st broke the tranny output housing. I didn't realize the
problem was downstream, it locked up again (broken tooth inside floating
around) and took out the rear 1/2 shaft u joints putting me in the wall.
After rewatching the video, many times, I suspect the broken shifter was
the cause of the problem, (2 gears at once?) not a result but I'm pretty
sure disassembly of the tranny will confirm this. My question is, has
anyone had the shifter beak like this and if so, was it caused by something
else or was it just metal fatigue?
Other related info, new engine (1296) , more power than the old one, less
than an hour on it. Zero track or dyno time, this was the 1st time the car
saw 4th gear. All drivetrain fluids changed over the winter. No disassembly
but cover off inspections and hand turning tranny and diff felt normal,
last used in October 2017 with no issues, with old, worn out engine.
I will get this going for the K Cup, see you there.
thanks
mike h
?
?
Front.mp4
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tyfrdBh6_c02yqpi-PT_Y8iRt03W_icY/view?usp=drive_web>
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From billdentin at aol.com Sun Jun 3 14:00:21 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 16:00:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment
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Wow! That?s a revolting development!
One time when I still thought there was something to be gained by ?speed shifting?, I busted off the selector ball at the base of the shifter handle going into 5 at Road America. With my family cheering at the fence...I went by (and off) waving the gear shift lever in my hand above my head.
Bill Dentinger
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On Sunday, June 3, 2018, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
I had a new failure this weekend at Lime Rock with the Spitfire. 1st lap of the weekend, doing a sedate warm up around the track under full course yellow. When I start down the front straight and put it in 4th gear, there's a big vibration and ugly noises (short video attached). I was flat towed back to the paddock and when I took the tranny hump cover off, I found the shifter had snapped (see picture). A little more poking around and I discovered the aluminum bell housing was cracked from side to side and two bearing caps were missing from the tranny end of the driveshaft u joint (replaced over the winter).
I'm going to pull the tranny, driveshaft and diff to see what damage has been done. In the past, at the same spot at Lime Rock, I had a problem with the diff that 1st broke the tranny output housing. I didn't realize the problem was downstream, it locked up again (broken tooth inside floating around) and took out the rear 1/2 shaft u joints putting me in the wall.
After rewatching the video, many times, I suspect the broken shifter was the cause of the problem, (2 gears at once?) not a result but I'm pretty sure disassembly of the tranny will confirm this. My question is, has anyone had the shifter beak like this and if so, was it caused by something else or was it just metal fatigue?
Other related info, new engine (1296) , more power than the old one, less than an hour on it. Zero track or dyno time, this was the 1st time the car saw 4th gear. All drivetrain fluids changed over the winter. No disassembly but cover off inspections and hand turning tranny and diff felt normal, last used in October 2017 with no issues, with old, worn out engine.
I will get this going for the K Cup, see you there.
thanks
mike h
?
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Front.mp4?
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From spitlist at cox.net Sun Jun 3 14:12:17 2018
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 16:12:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment
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I have several of them if you need some spares!
> On June 3, 2018 at 1:36 PM Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> I had a new failure this weekend at Lime Rock with the Spitfire. 1st lap of the weekend, doing a sedate warm up around the track under full course yellow. When I start down the front straight and put it in 4th gear, there's a big vibration and ugly noises (short video attached). I was flat towed back to the paddock and when I took the tranny hump cover off, I found the shifter had snapped (see picture). A little more poking around and I discovered the aluminum bell housing was cracked from side to side and two bearing caps were missing from the tranny end of the driveshaft u joint (replaced over the winter).
>
> I'm going to pull the tranny, driveshaft and diff to see what damage has been done. In the past, at the same spot at Lime Rock, I had a problem with the diff that 1st broke the tranny output housing. I didn't realize the problem was downstream, it locked up again (broken tooth inside floating around) and took out the rear 1/2 shaft u joints putting me in the wall.
>
> After rewatching the video, many times, I suspect the broken shifter was the cause of the problem, (2 gears at once?) not a result but I'm pretty sure disassembly of the tranny will confirm this. My question is, has anyone had the shifter beak like this and if so, was it caused by something else or was it just metal fatigue?
>
> Other related info, new engine (1296) , more power than the old one, less than an hour on it. Zero track or dyno time, this was the 1st time the car saw 4th gear. All drivetrain fluids changed over the winter. No disassembly but cover off inspections and hand turning tranny and diff felt normal, last used in October 2017 with no issues, with old, worn out engine.
>
> I will get this going for the K Cup, see you there.
>
> thanks
> mike h
>
>
> Front.mp4 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tyfrdBh6_c02yqpi-PT_Y8iRt03W_icY/view?usp=drive_web
>
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From levilevi at comcast.net Sun Jun 3 17:38:14 2018
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 17:38:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire High oil pressure
I've blow two Earl's oil coolers out with much oil leaking out. My oil pressure gage reads very high (90-100 psi) and I suspect high oil pressure is causing the problem. I checked to see if the oil pressure relief valve was stuck but it came out freely. Diagrams of the relief valve show a sealing washer between the relief valve cap and the block but mine did not have that sealing washer.
Could that washer (or lack of) be responsible for letting the valve push further into the block and hence making the spring compress more requiring more oil pressure? If anyone knows how thick that sealing washer is please let me know. I'd guess 1/8 inch or so. I guess that could make a difference.
Thanks
Bud
What is normal for a 1300 race engine? And how best to decrease oil pressure to normal?
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From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Jun 3 18:03:07 2018
From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 17:03:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment
References: <CAO0FjVana4Y-zqt-ffy419UcNOhcKt9M1GS=ij4ckWghhNTcVg@mail.gmail.com>
<163c73c8063-c76-2806@webjas-vae111.srv.aolmail.net>
Anyone who has not broken the shift knob off has not raaced a TR very
long................you will. Heavier type break quicker.
*Never be beaten by equipment.*
On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 1:00 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:
> Wow! That?s a revolting development!
>
> One time when I still thought there was something to be gained by ?speed
> shifting?, I busted off the selector ball at the base of the shifter handle
> going into 5 at Road America. With my family cheering at the fence...I went
> by (and off) waving the gear shift lever in my hand above my head.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
> On Sunday, June 3, 2018, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> I had a new failure this weekend at Lime Rock with the Spitfire. 1st lap
> of the weekend, doing a sedate warm up around the track under full course
> yellow. When I start down the front straight and put it in 4th gear,
> there's a big vibration and ugly noises (short video attached). I was flat
> towed back to the paddock and when I took the tranny hump cover off, I
> found the shifter had snapped (see picture). A little more poking around
> and I discovered the aluminum bell housing was cracked from side to side
> and two bearing caps were missing from the tranny end of the driveshaft u
> joint (replaced over the winter).
>
> I'm going to pull the tranny, driveshaft and diff to see what damage has
> been done. In the past, at the same spot at Lime Rock, I had a problem with
> the diff that 1st broke the tranny output housing. I didn't realize the
> problem was downstream, it locked up again (broken tooth inside floating
> around) and took out the rear 1/2 shaft u joints putting me in the wall.
>
> After rewatching the video, many times, I suspect the broken shifter was
> the cause of the problem, (2 gears at once?) not a result but I'm pretty
> sure disassembly of the tranny will confirm this. My question is, has
> anyone had the shifter beak like this and if so, was it caused by something
> else or was it just metal fatigue?
>
> Other related info, new engine (1296) , more power than the old one, less
> than an hour on it. Zero track or dyno time, this was the 1st time the car
> saw 4th gear. All drivetrain fluids changed over the winter. No disassembly
> but cover off inspections and hand turning tranny and diff felt normal,
> last used in October 2017 with no issues, with old, worn out engine.
>
> I will get this going for the K Cup, see you there.
>
> thanks
> mike h
>
> ?
> ?
> Front.mp4
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tyfrdBh6_c02yqpi-PT_Y8iRt03W_icY/view?usp=drive_web>
> ?
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From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com Sun Jun 3 19:53:52 2018
From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 21:53:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias
Congratulations to Sam on winning his class both days at the Mid Ohio SCCA
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Jun 3 20:37:00 2018
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 22:37:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment
References: <CAO0FjVana4Y-zqt-ffy419UcNOhcKt9M1GS=ij4ckWghhNTcVg@mail.gmail.com>
<163c73c8063-c76-2806@webjas-vae111.srv.aolmail.net>
In 1970 Oscar Koveleski broke the shift lever on his McLaren at the Mid Ohio Can Am race.
$20 dollar part (in those days!) put him out.
1971 with Tony A-to-Z driving, came in 3rd behind one John Young Stewart and Jo Siffert. Much better. And much partying!
Cheers, Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2018 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Beaten by equipment
Wow! That?s a revolting development!
One time when I still thought there was something to be gained by ?speed shifting?, I busted off the selector ball at the base of the shifter handle going into 5 at Road America. With my family cheering at the fence...I went by (and off) waving the gear shift lever in my hand above my head.
Bill Dentinger
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
On Sunday, June 3, 2018, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
I had a new failure this weekend at Lime Rock with the Spitfire. 1st lap of the weekend, doing a sedate warm up around the track under full course yellow. When I start down the front straight and put it in 4th gear, there's a big vibration and ugly noises (short video attached). I was flat towed back to the paddock and when I took the tranny hump cover off, I found the shifter had snapped (see picture). A little more poking around and I discovered the aluminum bell housing was cracked from side to side and two bearing caps were missing from the tranny end of the driveshaft u joint (replaced over the winter).
I'm going to pull the tranny, driveshaft and diff to see what damage has been done. In the past, at the same spot at Lime Rock, I had a problem with the diff that 1st broke the tranny output housing. I didn't realize the problem was downstream, it locked up again (broken tooth inside floating around) and took out the rear 1/2 shaft u joints putting me in the wall.
After rewatching the video, many times, I suspect the broken shifter was the cause of the problem, (2 gears at once?) not a result but I'm pretty sure disassembly of the tranny will confirm this. My question is, has anyone had the shifter beak like this and if so, was it caused by something else or was it just metal fatigue?
Other related info, new engine (1296) , more power than the old one, less than an hour on it. Zero track or dyno time, this was the 1st time the car saw 4th gear. All drivetrain fluids changed over the winter. No disassembly but cover off inspections and hand turning tranny and diff felt normal, last used in October 2017 with no issues, with old, worn out engine.
I will get this going for the K Cup, see you there.
thanks
mike h
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From britcars at bellsouth.net Mon Jun 4 05:02:24 2018
From: britcars at bellsouth.net (barry rosenberg)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 11:02:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment
References: <CAO0FjVana4Y-zqt-ffy419UcNOhcKt9M1GS=ij4ckWghhNTcVg@mail.gmail.com>
Driveshaft u-joints caused this.
Barry
From: Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2018 3:05 PM
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment
I had a new failure this weekend at Lime Rock with the Spitfire. 1st lap of the weekend, doing a sedate warm up around the track under full course yellow. When I start down the front straight and put it in 4th gear, there's a big vibration and ugly noises (short video attached). I was flat towed back to the paddock and when I took the tranny hump cover off, I found the shifter had snapped (see picture). A little more poking around and I discovered the aluminum bell housing was cracked from side to side and two bearing caps were missing from the tranny end of the driveshaft u joint (replaced over the winter).
I'm going to pull the tranny, driveshaft and diff to see what damage has been done. In the past, at the same spot at Lime Rock, I had a problem with the diff that 1st broke the tranny output housing. I didn't realize the problem was downstream, it locked up again (broken tooth inside floating around) and took out the rear? 1/2 shaft u joints putting me in the wall.
After rewatching the video, many times, I suspect the broken shifter was the cause of the problem, (2 gears at once?) not a result but I'm pretty sure disassembly of the tranny will confirm this. My question is, has anyone had the shifter beak like this and if so, was it caused by something else or was it just metal fatigue?
Other related info, new engine (1296) , more power than the old one, less than an hour on it. Zero track or dyno time, this was the 1st time the car saw 4th gear. All drivetrain fluids changed over the winter. No disassembly but cover off inspections and hand turning tranny and diff felt normal, last used in October 2017 with no issues, with old, worn out engine.
I will get this going for the K Cup, see you there.
thanksmike h
???Front.mp4?
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From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jun 4 05:58:45 2018
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 07:58:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment
Yeah I would suspect driveshaft related, it looks like some funky harmonics were going on there... I'd be looking at that tailshaft housing real closely as well...
Glen
-----Original Message-----
From: barry rosenberg via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Mike Harmuth <ofracer at gmail.com>; FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Jun 4, 2018 7:46 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Beaten by equipment
Driveshaft u-joints caused this.
Barry
From: Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2018 3:05 PM
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment
I had a new failure this weekend at Lime Rock with the Spitfire. 1st lap of the weekend, doing a sedate warm up around the track under full course yellow. When I start down the front straight and put it in 4th gear, there's a big vibration and ugly noises (short video attached). I was flat towed back to the paddock and when I took the tranny hump cover off, I found the shifter had snapped (see picture). A little more poking around and I discovered the aluminum bell housing was cracked from side to side and two bearing caps were missing from the tranny end of the driveshaft u joint (replaced over the winter).
I'm going to pull the tranny, driveshaft and diff to see what damage has been done. In the past, at the same spot at Lime Rock, I had a problem with the diff that 1st broke the tranny output housing. I didn't realize the problem was downstream, it locked up again (broken tooth inside floating around) and took out the rear 1/2 shaft u joints putting me in the wall.
After rewatching the video, many times, I suspect the broken shifter was the cause of the problem, (2 gears at once?) not a result but I'm pretty sure disassembly of the tranny will confirm this. My question is, has anyone had the shifter beak like this and if so, was it caused by something else or was it just metal fatigue?
Other related info, new engine (1296) , more power than the old one, less than an hour on it. Zero track or dyno time, this was the 1st time the car saw 4th gear. All drivetrain fluids changed over the winter. No disassembly but cover off inspections and hand turning tranny and diff felt normal, last used in October 2017 with no issues, with old, worn out engine.
I will get this going for the K Cup, see you there.
thanks
mike h
?
?
Front.mp4
?
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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 4 07:55:56 2018
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 13:55:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment
References: <CAO0FjVana4Y-zqt-ffy419UcNOhcKt9M1GS=ij4ckWghhNTcVg@mail.gmail.com>
<163c73c8063-c76-2806@webjas-vae111.srv.aolmail.net>
Jim Fitzgerald did this one year at The Runoffs.? He was driving the Datsun 2 Litre, and coasted into the pits waving the shift lever over his head.? History repeats.
Jack
On Sunday, June 3, 2018, 8:24:55 PM EDT, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Wow! That?s a revolting development!
One time when I still thought there was something to be gained by ?speed shifting?, I busted off the selector ball at the base of the shifter handle going into 5 at Road America. With my family cheering at the fence...I went by (and off) waving the gear shift lever in my hand?above my head.
Bill Dentinger
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
On?Sunday, June 3, 2018,?Mike Harmuth via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:
I had a new failure this weekend at Lime Rock with the Spitfire. 1st lap of the weekend, doing a sedate warm up around the track under full course yellow. When I start down the front straight and put it in 4th gear, there's a big vibration and ugly noises (short video attached). I was flat towed back to the paddock and when I took the tranny hump cover off, I found the shifter had snapped (see picture). A little more poking around and I discovered the aluminum bell housing was cracked from side to side and two bearing caps were missing from the tranny end of the driveshaft u joint (replaced over the winter).
I'm going to pull the tranny, driveshaft and diff to see what damage has been done. In the past, at the same spot at Lime Rock, I had a problem with the diff that 1st broke the tranny output housing. I didn't realize the problem was downstream, it locked up again (broken tooth inside floating around) and took out the rear? 1/2 shaft u joints putting me in the wall.
After rewatching the video, many times, I suspect the broken shifter was the cause of the problem, (2 gears at once?) not a result but I'm pretty sure disassembly of the tranny will confirm this. My question is, has anyone had the shifter beak like this and if so, was it caused by something else or was it just metal fatigue?
Other related info, new engine (1296) , more power than the old one, less than an hour on it. Zero track or dyno time, this was the 1st time the car saw 4th gear. All drivetrain fluids changed over the winter. No disassembly but cover off inspections and hand turning tranny and diff felt normal, last used in October 2017 with no issues, with old, worn out engine.
I will get this going for the K Cup, see you there.
thanksmike h
???Front.mp4?
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From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jun 4 10:51:53 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:51:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias
References: <CAGctxs7khhj0XmQaiHQEFck3B28fm03EGY=y_i8fp3o4ekMM5w@mail.gmail.com>
AMEN!? Congrats to Sam! ?
But then, no surprise.
Bill Dentinger
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Jun 3, 2018 8:33 pm
Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias
Congratulations to Sam on winning his class both days at the Mid Ohio SCCA Majors.
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From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jun 5 15:27:45 2018
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 14:27:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination request
Hello Friends,
I would like to nominate Greg Powell to the list. A few years ago, Greg purchased a Triumph powered blue Morgan that some of you would be familiar with and has been doing very well with it.
Greg's email is, afterapex at gmail.com
Thanks,
Dave Hogye
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From agb at compsnw.com Tue Jun 5 18:47:41 2018
From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:47:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
References: <CAO0FjVana4Y-zqt-ffy419UcNOhcKt9M1GS=ij4ckWghhNTcVg@mail.gmail.com>
<163c73c8063-c76-2806@webjas-vae111.srv.aolmail.net>
<36604172.8577270.1528120557084@mail.yahoo.com>
I've got an issue...lots of issues, but this refers to my TR4.
Raced in my first event of the year this past weekend at the Spokane
Festival of Speed (SOVREN)
Car did well but in my third session, going down the back straight, over
a couple bumps, my throttle went wide open 'on its own'. Once back in
the paddock, we found that both front engine mounts had failed and the
engine dropped below the mount on the carburetor side, forcing the
throttle to its maximum position.
These were brand new mounts as one failed at our Fall Finale, last
September in Seattle. Also, these two events are the only events I have
run my 'spare' motor which I picked up in CA last year. Engine seems to
do well but the combination of its torque, combined with the quality of
the mounts, is very frustrating. I tried to take a photo of how it
currently sits, but couldn't focus well enough. I am running the round
mounts,? "Engine Mount Uprated TR4 TR4A (SKU 130985)" from a PNW
supplier. Three mounts in two events is not a good pattern.
Any thoughts or alternatives is greatly appreciated.
Alec Buchan
aka the Blue Caboose.
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Jun 6 02:02:18 2018
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 10:02:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
References: <CAO0FjVana4Y-zqt-ffy419UcNOhcKt9M1GS=ij4ckWghhNTcVg@mail.gmail.com>
<163c73c8063-c76-2806@webjas-vae111.srv.aolmail.net>
<36604172.8577270.1528120557084@mail.yahoo.com>
<623116ba-afde-c750-2d72-3c47c0a08817@compsnw.com>
I fitted Land Rover engine mounts, and a fixation at the top of the engine. The engine mounts of an off road car are supposed to be very strong.
Marcel
----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Verzonden: Woensdag 6 juni 2018 02:47:41
Onderwerp: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
I've got an issue...lots of issues, but this refers to my TR4.
Raced in my first event of the year this past weekend at the Spokane
Festival of Speed (SOVREN)
Car did well but in my third session, going down the back straight, over
a couple bumps, my throttle went wide open 'on its own'. Once back in
the paddock, we found that both front engine mounts had failed and the
engine dropped below the mount on the carburetor side, forcing the
throttle to its maximum position.
These were brand new mounts as one failed at our Fall Finale, last
September in Seattle. Also, these two events are the only events I have
run my 'spare' motor which I picked up in CA last year. Engine seems to
do well but the combination of its torque, combined with the quality of
the mounts, is very frustrating. I tried to take a photo of how it
currently sits, but couldn't focus well enough. I am running the round
mounts,? "Engine Mount Uprated TR4 TR4A (SKU 130985)" from a PNW
supplier. Three mounts in two events is not a good pattern.
Any thoughts or alternatives is greatly appreciated.
Alec Buchan
aka the Blue Caboose.
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From fmccjr at aol.com Wed Jun 6 07:35:14 2018
From: fmccjr at aol.com (fmccjr at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 09:35:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
References: <CAO0FjVana4Y-zqt-ffy419UcNOhcKt9M1GS=ij4ckWghhNTcVg@mail.gmail.com>
<163c73c8063-c76-2806@webjas-vae111.srv.aolmail.net>
<36604172.8577270.1528120557084@mail.yahoo.com>
<623116ba-afde-c750-2d72-3c47c0a08817@compsnw.com>
<1196978498.268826719.1528272138970.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
My car (TR3) has square tube steel mounts, capped on one side... they are a pain to tighten, but there will be no chance the engine will drop.
Everything else on the car...another story!
Rick McCurdy
Newburgh, NY
> On Jun 6, 2018, at 4:02 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> I fitted Land Rover engine mounts, and a fixation at the top of the engine. The engine mounts of an off road car are supposed to be very strong.
> Marcel
>
> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Verzonden: Woensdag 6 juni 2018 02:47:41
> Onderwerp: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
>
> I've got an issue...lots of issues, but this refers to my TR4.
>
> Raced in my first event of the year this past weekend at the Spokane
> Festival of Speed (SOVREN)
>
> Car did well but in my third session, going down the back straight, over
> a couple bumps, my throttle went wide open 'on its own'. Once back in
> the paddock, we found that both front engine mounts had failed and the
> engine dropped below the mount on the carburetor side, forcing the
> throttle to its maximum position.
>
> These were brand new mounts as one failed at our Fall Finale, last
> September in Seattle. Also, these two events are the only events I have
> run my 'spare' motor which I picked up in CA last year. Engine seems to
> do well but the combination of its torque, combined with the quality of
> the mounts, is very frustrating. I tried to take a photo of how it
> currently sits, but couldn't focus well enough. I am running the round
> mounts, "Engine Mount Uprated TR4 TR4A (SKU 130985)" from a PNW
> supplier. Three mounts in two events is not a good pattern.
>
> Any thoughts or alternatives is greatly appreciated.
>
> Alec Buchan
> aka the Blue Caboose.
>
>
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From agb at compsnw.com Wed Jun 6 07:39:23 2018
From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 06:39:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
References: <CAO0FjVana4Y-zqt-ffy419UcNOhcKt9M1GS=ij4ckWghhNTcVg@mail.gmail.com>
<163c73c8063-c76-2806@webjas-vae111.srv.aolmail.net>
<36604172.8577270.1528120557084@mail.yahoo.com>
<623116ba-afde-c750-2d72-3c47c0a08817@compsnw.com>
<1196978498.268826719.1528272138970.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
<734F2801-81A8-4E9C-B706-4DEB7FB45C98@aol.com>
The Land Range Rover (1987-1995) look just like the round TR4 mounts.
Did you use these or modify others?
Thanks.
On 6/6/2018 6:35 AM, fmccjr at aol.com wrote:
> My car (TR3) has square tube steel mounts, capped on one side... they are a pain to tighten, but there will be no chance the engine will drop.
>
> Everything else on the car...another story!
>
> Rick McCurdy
> Newburgh, NY
>
>> On Jun 6, 2018, at 4:02 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> I fitted Land Rover engine mounts, and a fixation at the top of the engine. The engine mounts of an off road car are supposed to be very strong.
>> Marcel
>>
>> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
>> Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Verzonden: Woensdag 6 juni 2018 02:47:41
>> Onderwerp: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
>>
>> I've got an issue...lots of issues, but this refers to my TR4.
>>
>> Raced in my first event of the year this past weekend at the Spokane
>> Festival of Speed (SOVREN)
>>
>> Car did well but in my third session, going down the back straight, over
>> a couple bumps, my throttle went wide open 'on its own'. Once back in
>> the paddock, we found that both front engine mounts had failed and the
>> engine dropped below the mount on the carburetor side, forcing the
>> throttle to its maximum position.
>>
>> These were brand new mounts as one failed at our Fall Finale, last
>> September in Seattle. Also, these two events are the only events I have
>> run my 'spare' motor which I picked up in CA last year. Engine seems to
>> do well but the combination of its torque, combined with the quality of
>> the mounts, is very frustrating. I tried to take a photo of how it
>> currently sits, but couldn't focus well enough. I am running the round
>> mounts, "Engine Mount Uprated TR4 TR4A (SKU 130985)" from a PNW
>> supplier. Three mounts in two events is not a good pattern.
>>
>> Any thoughts or alternatives is greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Alec Buchan
>> aka the Blue Caboose.
>>
>>
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Jun 6 07:45:06 2018
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 15:45:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
References: <CAO0FjVana4Y-zqt-ffy419UcNOhcKt9M1GS=ij4ckWghhNTcVg@mail.gmail.com>
<163c73c8063-c76-2806@webjas-vae111.srv.aolmail.net>
<36604172.8577270.1528120557084@mail.yahoo.com>
<623116ba-afde-c750-2d72-3c47c0a08817@compsnw.com>
<1196978498.268826719.1528272138970.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
<734F2801-81A8-4E9C-B706-4DEB7FB45C98@aol.com>
<2591fc4e-712a-7257-2a80-954621eee6e5@compsnw.com>
I bought these mounts on an oldtimer show in the UK. The are probably from a Land Rover, not a Range Rover. Height is about
1".
PS : Dont forget that the gearbox mount is more important than the engine mounts to keep the engine from moving forward and rearward!
Van: "Alec Buchan" <agb at compsnw.com>
Aan: fmccjr at aol.com, "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Verzonden: Woensdag 6 juni 2018 15:39:23
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
The Land Range Rover (1987-1995) look just like the round TR4 mounts. Did you use these or modify others?
Thanks.
On 6/6/2018 6:35 AM, [ mailto:fmccjr at aol.com | fmccjr at aol.com ] wrote:
My car (TR3) has square tube steel mounts, capped on one side... they are a pain to tighten, but there will be no chance the engine will drop.
Everything else on the car...another story!
Rick McCurdy
Newburgh, NY
BQ_BEGIN
On Jun 6, 2018, at 4:02 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | <fot at autox.team.net> ] wrote:
I fitted Land Rover engine mounts, and a fixation at the top of the engine. The engine mounts of an off road car are supposed to be very strong.
Marcel
----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | <fot at autox.team.net> ] Aan: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | <fot at autox.team.net> ] Verzonden: Woensdag 6 juni 2018 02:47:41
Onderwerp: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
I've got an issue...lots of issues, but this refers to my TR4.
Raced in my first event of the year this past weekend at the Spokane
Festival of Speed (SOVREN)
Car did well but in my third session, going down the back straight, over
a couple bumps, my throttle went wide open 'on its own'. Once back in
the paddock, we found that both front engine mounts had failed and the
engine dropped below the mount on the carburetor side, forcing the
throttle to its maximum position.
These were brand new mounts as one failed at our Fall Finale, last
September in Seattle. Also, these two events are the only events I have
run my 'spare' motor which I picked up in CA last year. Engine seems to
do well but the combination of its torque, combined with the quality of
the mounts, is very frustrating. I tried to take a photo of how it
currently sits, but couldn't focus well enough. I am running the round
mounts, "Engine Mount Uprated TR4 TR4A (SKU 130985)" from a PNW
supplier. Three mounts in two events is not a good pattern.
Any thoughts or alternatives is greatly appreciated.
Alec Buchan
aka the Blue Caboose.
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Jun 6 07:52:57 2018
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 06:52:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
References: <CAO0FjVana4Y-zqt-ffy419UcNOhcKt9M1GS=ij4ckWghhNTcVg@mail.gmail.com>
<163c73c8063-c76-2806@webjas-vae111.srv.aolmail.net>
<36604172.8577270.1528120557084@mail.yahoo.com>
<623116ba-afde-c750-2d72-3c47c0a08817@compsnw.com>
<1196978498.268826719.1528272138970.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
I believe this is the one needed:
http://www.crossaxledcustoms.com/land-rover-series-2-ii-2a-iia-3-iii-2-25l-petrol-diesel-nrc2054-engine-motor-mount/
You should also check the rear mount.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message -----
From: "van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
To: "Alec Buchan" <agb at compsnw.com>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
>I fitted Land Rover engine mounts, and a fixation at the top of the engine.
>The engine mounts of an off road car are supposed to be very strong.
> Marcel
>
> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Verzonden: Woensdag 6 juni 2018 02:47:41
> Onderwerp: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
>
> I've got an issue...lots of issues, but this refers to my TR4.
>
> Raced in my first event of the year this past weekend at the Spokane
> Festival of Speed (SOVREN)
>
> Car did well but in my third session, going down the back straight, over
> a couple bumps, my throttle went wide open 'on its own'. Once back in
> the paddock, we found that both front engine mounts had failed and the
> engine dropped below the mount on the carburetor side, forcing the
> throttle to its maximum position.
>
> These were brand new mounts as one failed at our Fall Finale, last
> September in Seattle. Also, these two events are the only events I have
> run my 'spare' motor which I picked up in CA last year. Engine seems to
> do well but the combination of its torque, combined with the quality of
> the mounts, is very frustrating. I tried to take a photo of how it
> currently sits, but couldn't focus well enough. I am running the round
> mounts, "Engine Mount Uprated TR4 TR4A (SKU 130985)" from a PNW
> supplier. Three mounts in two events is not a good pattern.
>
> Any thoughts or alternatives is greatly appreciated.
>
> Alec Buchan
> aka the Blue Caboose.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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>
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From agb at compsnw.com Wed Jun 6 07:55:50 2018
From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 06:55:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
References: <CAO0FjVana4Y-zqt-ffy419UcNOhcKt9M1GS=ij4ckWghhNTcVg@mail.gmail.com>
<163c73c8063-c76-2806@webjas-vae111.srv.aolmail.net>
<36604172.8577270.1528120557084@mail.yahoo.com>
<623116ba-afde-c750-2d72-3c47c0a08817@compsnw.com>
<1196978498.268826719.1528272138970.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
<5AC81AEE9BE34C048E871C11BF87372E@Charly>
Thanks Charly. I sure looks like the one I have but I will order 6. Two
for each day of the Historics... And yes, I will order a new rear mount
as well.
On 6/6/2018 6:52 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote:
> I believe this is the one needed:
>
> http://www.crossaxledcustoms.com/land-rover-series-2-ii-2a-iia-3-iii-2-25l-petrol-diesel-nrc2054-engine-motor-mount/
>
>
> You should also check the rear mount.
>
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot"
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: "Alec Buchan" <agb at compsnw.com>
> Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 1:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
>
>
>> I fitted Land Rover engine mounts, and a fixation at the top of the
>> engine. The engine mounts of an off road car are supposed to be very
>> strong.
>> Marcel
>>
>> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
>> Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Verzonden: Woensdag 6 juni 2018 02:47:41
>> Onderwerp: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
>>
>> I've got an issue...lots of issues, but this refers to my TR4.
>>
>> Raced in my first event of the year this past weekend at the Spokane
>> Festival of Speed (SOVREN)
>>
>> Car did well but in my third session, going down the back straight, over
>> a couple bumps, my throttle went wide open 'on its own'. Once back in
>> the paddock, we found that both front engine mounts had failed and the
>> engine dropped below the mount on the carburetor side, forcing the
>> throttle to its maximum position.
>>
>> These were brand new mounts as one failed at our Fall Finale, last
>> September in Seattle. Also, these two events are the only events I have
>> run my 'spare' motor which I picked up in CA last year. Engine seems to
>> do well but the combination of its torque, combined with the quality of
>> the mounts, is very frustrating. I tried to take a photo of how it
>> currently sits, but couldn't focus well enough. I am running the round
>> mounts, "Engine Mount Uprated TR4 TR4A (SKU 130985)" from a PNW
>> supplier. Three mounts in two events is not a good pattern.
>>
>> Any thoughts or alternatives is greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Alec Buchan
>> aka the Blue Caboose.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From agb at compsnw.com Wed Jun 6 08:49:58 2018
From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 07:49:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination request
This is almost a carbon copy of a nomination request yesterday, but it
is a different driver and a different car.
I would like to nominate Mike Granat (mikegranat9 at gmail.com) to be
included into the FOT community. Mike is in his Novice year with SOVREN,
here in the PNW. He too, is running an absolutely beautiful 1967 Morgan
which is Triumph powered. Not to mention, he has several others tucked
away in his stable.
After two races, it is easy to see that Mike has a good handle on the
race track and it won't be long before I won't be able to find him in my
rear view mirror because he will be ahead of me!
Because Morgan's are a bit of a rare bird, this could be a good vehicle
for those owners to communicate, in addition to the Triumph engines we
all share.
Thank you,
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Jun 6 09:36:18 2018
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 11:36:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination request
References: <67112718.624510.1528234065855@connect.xfinity.com>
Second
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 5:28 PM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Nomination request
Hello Friends,
I would like to nominate Greg Powell to the list. A few years ago, Greg purchased a Triumph powered blue Morgan that some of you would be familiar with and has been doing very well with it.
Greg's email is, afterapex at gmail.com
Thanks,
Dave Hogye
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From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jun 6 10:51:48 2018
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 11:51:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
References: <CAO0FjVana4Y-zqt-ffy419UcNOhcKt9M1GS=ij4ckWghhNTcVg@mail.gmail.com>
<163c73c8063-c76-2806@webjas-vae111.srv.aolmail.net>
<36604172.8577270.1528120557084@mail.yahoo.com>
<623116ba-afde-c750-2d72-3c47c0a08817@compsnw.com>
<1196978498.268826719.1528272138970.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
<734F2801-81A8-4E9C-B706-4DEB7FB45C98@aol.com>
<2591fc4e-712a-7257-2a80-954621eee6e5@compsnw.com>
<1408525920.271247140.1528292706145.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
One other thing - the clutch makes a difference in motor mount
longevity.? If you have one of those toggle switch clutches, engaging
the clutch is very abrupt and I thought it was one reason I broke motor
mounts initially.? I went to a more forgiving clutch in addition to
getting heavy duty mounts from Cambridge UK (which are probably the Land
/ Range Rover mounts).
Tony Drews
On 6/6/2018 8:45 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote:
> I bought these mounts on an oldtimer show in the UK. The are? probably
> from a Land Rover, not a Range Rover. Height is about
> 1".
> PS : Dont forget that the gearbox mount is more important than the
> engine mounts to keep the engine from moving forward and rearward!
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *Van: *"Alec Buchan" <agb at compsnw.com>
> *Aan: *fmccjr at aol.com, "van mulders marcel"
> <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>
> *Cc: *"fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Verzonden: *Woensdag 6 juni 2018 15:39:23
> *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
>
> The Land Range Rover (1987-1995) look just like the round TR4 mounts.
> Did you use these or modify others?
>
> Thanks.
>
> On 6/6/2018 6:35 AM, fmccjr at aol.com wrote:
>
> My car (TR3) has square tube steel mounts, capped on one side... they are a pain to tighten, but there will be no chance the engine will drop.
>
> Everything else on the car...another story!
>
> Rick McCurdy
> Newburgh, NY
>
> On Jun 6, 2018, at 4:02 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot<fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> I fitted Land Rover engine mounts, and a fixation at the top of the engine. The engine mounts of an off road car are supposed to be very strong.
> Marcel
>
> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> Van: "fot"<fot at autox.team.net>
> Aan: "fot"<fot at autox.team.net>
> Verzonden: Woensdag 6 juni 2018 02:47:41
> Onderwerp: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
>
> I've got an issue...lots of issues, but this refers to my TR4.
>
> Raced in my first event of the year this past weekend at the Spokane
> Festival of Speed (SOVREN)
>
> Car did well but in my third session, going down the back straight, over
> a couple bumps, my throttle went wide open 'on its own'. Once back in
> the paddock, we found that both front engine mounts had failed and the
> engine dropped below the mount on the carburetor side, forcing the
> throttle to its maximum position.
>
> These were brand new mounts as one failed at our Fall Finale, last
> September in Seattle. Also, these two events are the only events I have
> run my 'spare' motor which I picked up in CA last year. Engine seems to
> do well but the combination of its torque, combined with the quality of
> the mounts, is very frustrating. I tried to take a photo of how it
> currently sits, but couldn't focus well enough. I am running the round
> mounts, "Engine Mount Uprated TR4 TR4A (SKU 130985)" from a PNW
> supplier. Three mounts in two events is not a good pattern.
>
> Any thoughts or alternatives is greatly appreciated.
>
> Alec Buchan
> aka the Blue Caboose.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Jun 6 10:58:09 2018
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 16:58:09 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - David Cutter
Good morning! I would like to propose one David Cutter for membership in this august if slightly disheveled group. Dave is the new owner (as of last night) of the famed Beady Eye Racing trailer. In this fancy transporter, he'll be moving a new Spitfire race car. Over the rest of this season, he'll be going through the car and making sure that it's up to snuff and plans to go through driver's school in the spring of 2019, racing largely with SOVERN in the northwest.
Do I have a second?
Thanks,
Scott B.
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From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Jun 6 11:49:31 2018
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:49:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
References: <CAO0FjVana4Y-zqt-ffy419UcNOhcKt9M1GS=ij4ckWghhNTcVg@mail.gmail.com>
<163c73c8063-c76-2806@webjas-vae111.srv.aolmail.net>
<36604172.8577270.1528120557084@mail.yahoo.com>
<623116ba-afde-c750-2d72-3c47c0a08817@compsnw.com>
<1196978498.268826719.1528272138970.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
<5AC81AEE9BE34C048E871C11BF87372E@Charly>
Yes that's the standard-issue Series Land Rover mount.
Glen with 25+ year old mounts in the rover
-----Original Message-----
From: Charly Mitchel via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: van.mulders.marcel <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>; Alec Buchan <agb at compsnw.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2018 1:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
I believe this is the one needed:
http://www.crossaxledcustoms.com/land-rover-series-2-ii-2a-iia-3-iii-2-25l-petrol-diesel-nrc2054-engine-motor-mount/
You should also check the rear mount.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message -----
From: "van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
To: "Alec Buchan" <agb at compsnw.com>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
>I fitted Land Rover engine mounts, and a fixation at the top of the engine.
>The engine mounts of an off road car are supposed to be very strong.
> Marcel
>
> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Verzonden: Woensdag 6 juni 2018 02:47:41
> Onderwerp: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
>
> I've got an issue...lots of issues, but this refers to my TR4.
>
> Raced in my first event of the year this past weekend at the Spokane
> Festival of Speed (SOVREN)
>
> Car did well but in my third session, going down the back straight, over
> a couple bumps, my throttle went wide open 'on its own'. Once back in
> the paddock, we found that both front engine mounts had failed and the
> engine dropped below the mount on the carburetor side, forcing the
> throttle to its maximum position.
>
> These were brand new mounts as one failed at our Fall Finale, last
> September in Seattle. Also, these two events are the only events I have
> run my 'spare' motor which I picked up in CA last year. Engine seems to
> do well but the combination of its torque, combined with the quality of
> the mounts, is very frustrating. I tried to take a photo of how it
> currently sits, but couldn't focus well enough. I am running the round
> mounts, "Engine Mount Uprated TR4 TR4A (SKU 130985)" from a PNW
> supplier. Three mounts in two events is not a good pattern.
>
> Any thoughts or alternatives is greatly appreciated.
>
> Alec Buchan
> aka the Blue Caboose.
>
>
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From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jun 6 12:21:07 2018
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:21:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
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<163c73c8063-c76-2806@webjas-vae111.srv.aolmail.net>
<36604172.8577270.1528120557084@mail.yahoo.com>
<623116ba-afde-c750-2d72-3c47c0a08817@compsnw.com>
<1196978498.268826719.1528272138970.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
<5AC81AEE9BE34C048E871C11BF87372E@Charly>
<761cb8da-2d9a-d02e-0497-4ce387a78f98@compsnw.com>
For the rear mount, I've added some side bracing to take the side to
side force off of the mount.? With the stock mount you can do this with
angle iron that goes on the side of the mount and bolts to the trans
mount bolt.? What I did is to drill holes through the chassis mount
plate, weld little pipes to them and have the trans mount bolt extend
through the chassis plate.? The bolt / pipe takes the side force and the
mount itself just has to handle the twisting motion.? I have a nut at
the very bottom, but it's not tight against the chassis plate (it's a
locking nut so it doesn't fall off).
Tony
On 6/6/2018 8:55 AM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote:
> Thanks Charly. I sure looks like the one I have but I will order 6.
> Two for each day of the Historics... And yes, I will order a new rear
> mount as well.
>
> On 6/6/2018 6:52 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote:
>> I believe this is the one needed:
>>
>> http://www.crossaxledcustoms.com/land-rover-series-2-ii-2a-iia-3-iii-2-25l-petrol-diesel-nrc2054-engine-motor-mount/
>>
>>
>> You should also check the rear mount.
>>
>> Charly Mitchel
>> TR6 #44
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot"
>> <fot at autox.team.net>
>> To: "Alec Buchan" <agb at compsnw.com>
>> Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 1:02 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
>>
>>
>>> I fitted Land Rover engine mounts, and a fixation at the top of the
>>> engine. The engine mounts of an off road car are supposed to be very
>>> strong.
>>> Marcel
>>>
>>> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
>>> Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Verzonden: Woensdag 6 juni 2018 02:47:41
>>> Onderwerp: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
>>>
>>> I've got an issue...lots of issues, but this refers to my TR4.
>>>
>>> Raced in my first event of the year this past weekend at the Spokane
>>> Festival of Speed (SOVREN)
>>>
>>> Car did well but in my third session, going down the back straight,
>>> over
>>> a couple bumps, my throttle went wide open 'on its own'. Once back in
>>> the paddock, we found that both front engine mounts had failed and the
>>> engine dropped below the mount on the carburetor side, forcing the
>>> throttle to its maximum position.
>>>
>>> These were brand new mounts as one failed at our Fall Finale, last
>>> September in Seattle. Also, these two events are the only events I have
>>> run my 'spare' motor which I picked up in CA last year. Engine seems to
>>> do well but the combination of its torque, combined with the quality of
>>> the mounts, is very frustrating. I tried to take a photo of how it
>>> currently sits, but couldn't focus well enough. I am running the round
>>> mounts, "Engine Mount Uprated TR4 TR4A (SKU 130985)" from a PNW
>>> supplier. Three mounts in two events is not a good pattern.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts or alternatives is greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Alec Buchan
>>> aka the Blue Caboose.
>>>
>>>
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Jun 6 13:38:33 2018
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 12:38:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination request
References: <9e826531-78f3-38e2-13e6-3600a1d9047d@compsnw.com>
I 2nd, I ran him thru the novice training.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message -----
From: Alec Buchan via Fot
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 7:49 AM
Subject: [Fot] Nomination request
This is almost a carbon copy of a nomination request yesterday, but it is a different driver and a different car.
I would like to nominate Mike Granat (mikegranat9 at gmail.com) to be included into the FOT community. Mike is in his Novice year with SOVREN, here in the PNW. He too, is running an absolutely beautiful 1967 Morgan which is Triumph powered. Not to mention, he has several others tucked away in his stable.
After two races, it is easy to see that Mike has a good handle on the race track and it won't be long before I won't be able to find him in my rear view mirror because he will be ahead of me!
Because Morgan's are a bit of a rare bird, this could be a good vehicle for those owners to communicate, in addition to the Triumph engines we all share.
Thank you,
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From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jun 6 14:20:19 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 16:20:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
Van...
Yeah! I makes me think though. I always felt my early TR3's performance might be enhanced if the engine were lower and an inch or so back. Of course, that's probably not the way to do it.
Bill Dentinger
-----Original Message-----
From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Alec Buchan <agb at compsnw.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2018 9:48 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
I bought these mounts on an oldtimer show in the UK. The are probably from a Land Rover, not a Range Rover. Height is about
1".
PS : Dont forget that the gearbox mount is more important than the engine mounts to keep the engine from moving forward and rearward!
Van: "Alec Buchan" <agb at compsnw.com>
Aan: fmccjr at aol.com, "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Verzonden: Woensdag 6 juni 2018 15:39:23
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
The Land Range Rover (1987-1995) look just like the round TR4 mounts. Did you use these or modify others?
Thanks.
On 6/6/2018 6:35 AM, fmccjr at aol.com wrote:
My car (TR3) has square tube steel mounts, capped on one side... they are a pain to tighten, but there will be no chance the engine will drop.
Everything else on the car...another story!
Rick McCurdy
Newburgh, NY
On Jun 6, 2018, at 4:02 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
I fitted Land Rover engine mounts, and a fixation at the top of the engine. The engine mounts of an off road car are supposed to be very strong.
Marcel
----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Verzonden: Woensdag 6 juni 2018 02:47:41
Onderwerp: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
I've got an issue...lots of issues, but this refers to my TR4.
Raced in my first event of the year this past weekend at the Spokane
Festival of Speed (SOVREN)
Car did well but in my third session, going down the back straight, over
a couple bumps, my throttle went wide open 'on its own'. Once back in
the paddock, we found that both front engine mounts had failed and the
engine dropped below the mount on the carburetor side, forcing the
throttle to its maximum position.
These were brand new mounts as one failed at our Fall Finale, last
September in Seattle. Also, these two events are the only events I have
run my 'spare' motor which I picked up in CA last year. Engine seems to
do well but the combination of its torque, combined with the quality of
the mounts, is very frustrating. I tried to take a photo of how it
currently sits, but couldn't focus well enough. I am running the round
mounts, "Engine Mount Uprated TR4 TR4A (SKU 130985)" from a PNW
supplier. Three mounts in two events is not a good pattern.
Any thoughts or alternatives is greatly appreciated.
Alec Buchan
aka the Blue Caboose.
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From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jun 6 15:43:44 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 17:43:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - David Cutter
References: <84F56CFCC31FAC48AE160008ADDECFA57CB7DB34@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
Scott...
SECOND!
You mean that steeped in tradition old lady is going to out West?
WOW!
Bill Dentinger
-----Original Message-----
From: Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: david.c.cutter <david.c.cutter at gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2018 2:23 pm
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - David Cutter
Good morning! I would like to propose one David Cutter for membership in this august if slightly disheveled group. Dave is the new owner (as of last night) of the famed Beady Eye Racing trailer. In this fancy transporter, he?ll be moving a new Spitfire race car. Over the rest of this season, he?ll be going through the car and making sure that it?s up to snuff and plans to go through driver?s school in the spring of 2019, racing largely with SOVERN in the northwest.
Do I have a second?
His e-dress is: david.c.cutter at gmail.com Mark, will you plunk your magic twanger? (Or is it twang your magic plunker? I?m unfamiliar with the technology.)
Thanks,
Scott B.
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Jun 6 15:54:41 2018
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 21:54:41 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - David Cutter
References: <84F56CFCC31FAC48AE160008ADDECFA57CB7DB34@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
<163d70e3ddb-c97-1119b@webjas-vae112.srv.aolmail.net>
Yes, she?s on her way there now, via Minnesota and then Denver, I believe, hauling cars all the way. I was a little sad to see her go down my driveway for the last time, but I?ll be very happy to be able to take a shower and a leak in my new trailer.
Scott
From: Bill Dentinger <billdentin at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 4:44 PM
To: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>; fot at autox.team.net
Cc: david.c.cutter at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination - David Cutter
Scott...
SECOND!
You mean that steeped in tradition old lady is going to out West?
WOW!
Bill Dentinger
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2018 2:23 pm
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - David Cutter
Good morning! I would like to propose one David Cutter for membership in this august if slightly disheveled group. Dave is the new owner (as of last night) of the famed Beady Eye Racing trailer. In this fancy transporter, he?ll be moving a new Spitfire race car. Over the rest of this season, he?ll be going through the car and making sure that it?s up to snuff and plans to go through driver?s school in the spring of 2019, racing largely with SOVERN in the northwest.
Do I have a second?
Thanks,
Scott B.
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From edunn at transfueler.com Wed Jun 6 16:25:48 2018
From: edunn at transfueler.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 15:25:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - David Cutter
References: <84F56CFCC31FAC48AE160008ADDECFA57CB7DB34@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
I'll SECOND. Dave is buying my gorgeous '64 Spitfire.
Edward Dunn
President
Quality Fuel Trailer and Tank Inc.
4580 Klahanie Drive SE
Suite 423
Sammamish, WA 98029
425-526-7566 x 7012
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From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 9:58 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: david.c.cutter at gmail.com
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - David Cutter
Good morning! I would like to propose one David Cutter for membership in this august if slightly disheveled group. Dave is the new owner (as of last night) of the famed Beady Eye Racing trailer. In this fancy transporter, he'll be moving a new Spitfire race car. Over the rest of this season, he'll be going through the car and making sure that it's up to snuff and plans to go through driver's school in the spring of 2019, racing largely with SOVERN in the northwest.
Do I have a second?
Thanks,
Scott B.
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 17:28:51 2018
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 16:28:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
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<163c73c8063-c76-2806@webjas-vae111.srv.aolmail.net>
<36604172.8577270.1528120557084@mail.yahoo.com>
<623116ba-afde-c750-2d72-3c47c0a08817@compsnw.com>
<1196978498.268826719.1528272138970.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
<5AC81AEE9BE34C048E871C11BF87372E@Charly>
<163d637cebb-c8d-93e5@webjas-vac103.srv.aolmail.net>
On 6/6/18 10:49 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote:
> Yes that's the standard-issue Series Land Rover mount.
There are two styles of Series Land Rover engine & gearbox mounts,
petrol mounts and diesel mounts. Of the two, the diesel mounts are the
most robust and less apt to separate. The pictures looked like the
petrol mounts.
https://www.roversnorth.com/ProductDesc.aspx?code=NRC2052&type=0&eq=&key=it
TeriAnn
>
> Glen with 25+ year old mounts in the rover
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charly Mitchel via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: van.mulders.marcel <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>; Alec Buchan
> <agb at compsnw.com>
> Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2018 1:19 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
>
> I believe this is the one needed:
>
> http://www.crossaxledcustoms.com/land-rover-series-2-ii-2a-iia-3-iii-2-25l-petrol-diesel-nrc2054-engine-motor-mount/
>
> You should also check the rear mount.
>
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 1:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Beaten by equipment...Pacific NW edition.
>
>
> >I fitted Land Rover engine mounts, and a fixation at the top of the
> engine.
> >The engine mounts of an off road car are supposed to be very strong.
> > Marcel
> >
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From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Jun 6 19:52:44 2018
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 01:52:44 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
When you folks have to modify your number for an event what are you using that doesn't make a mess of things when you take it off? Duct tape, electrical tape, other?
Thanks,
Marty
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Jun 6 20:24:35 2018
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John Hasty)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 02:24:35 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - David Cutter
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From agb at compsnw.com Wed Jun 6 21:47:09 2018
From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:47:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - David Cutter
References: <84F56CFCC31FAC48AE160008ADDECFA57CB7DB34@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
<163d70e3ddb-c97-1119b@webjas-vae112.srv.aolmail.net>
I'll 'third' it since he's coming West to race. We've had a couple
Spitfires show up this year. Very, very good.
Welcome to the PNW!
On 6/6/2018 2:43 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote:
> Scott...
>
> SECOND!
>
> You mean that steeped in tradition old lady is going to out West?
>
> WOW!
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Cc: david.c.cutter <david.c.cutter at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2018 2:23 pm
> Subject: [Fot] Nomination - David Cutter
>
> Good morning!? I would like to propose one David Cutter for membership
> in this august if slightly disheveled group.? Dave is the new owner
> (as of last night) of the famed Beady Eye Racing trailer.? In this
> fancy transporter, he?ll be moving a new Spitfire race car.? Over the
> rest of this season, he?ll be going through the car and making sure
> that it?s up to snuff and plans to go through driver?s school in the
> spring of 2019, racing largely with SOVERN in the northwest.
> Do I have a second?
> His e-dress is: david.c.cutter at gmail.com
> twanger?? (Or is it twang your magic plunker?? I?m unfamiliar with the
> technology.)
> Thanks,
> Scott B.
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From bschirano at yahoo.com Thu Jun 7 04:33:25 2018
From: bschirano at yahoo.com (Brian Schirano)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:33:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
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interested in this answer also. I used white duct tape before and the glue takes forever to remove
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On Thursday, June 7, 2018, 4:09:39 AM EDT, marty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
When you folks have to modify your number for an event what are you using that doesn't make a mess of things when you take it off? Duct tape, electrical tape, other?
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Jun 7 05:44:23 2018
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 07:44:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
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Black duct tape. Same width and color as the numbers. Easy to take off but leaves a little adhesive residue, which is easy to remove.
Cheers, Bill
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Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
When you folks have to modify your number for an event what are you using that doesn't make a mess of things when you take it off? Duct tape, electrical tape, other?
Thanks,
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From jdolan at voyagerhldgs.com Thu Jun 7 06:53:07 2018
From: jdolan at voyagerhldgs.com (James J Dolan)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 12:53:07 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found
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I have arranged for a tire supplier. SascoSports will be on site for the event.
You are correct, the PVGP did not have this organized and were not able to clarify a tire supplier. That was unacceptable and I secured Sasco.
An email will be coming out tonight with updated details on the K Cup event. I have just been waiting to get all the information assembled into one email.
Jim
Jerry: since you are one of the PittsburgH proud bunch, perhaps you can tell us if there will be a tire supplier at the KCup event. The event organizers don?t seem to know.
Sent from my iPhone
Perhaps reach out to the SCCA Steel Cities Region who know Bill well and must have some historical notes about him as well as D M Mims. I believe Bill was honored and there was a nice article written about him by Steel Cities within the past few years.
It wasn?t to long ago that Mims worked the grid at Pitt Race aka known as Beaver Run complete with pink gloves as I recall.
JVV
PS Bill it?s Pittsburgh with an h at the end. We?re a proud bunch <grin>.
Home of the WPTA.
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 6:17 PM
To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net ; tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com ; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found
My neighbor, two doors away here in Las Vegas, is from Pittsburg, and claims to have known Donna Mae as a neighbor growing up.
I'll ask him what he knows.
Bill Dentinger
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 2:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found
?
Tim, I thought Donna Mae's car was found and restored a few years back. The car and Donna Mae herself were at the SVRA race at Mid Ohio a few years ago. I thought you were there too. Donna Mae was a hoot.
Did she drive more than one?
Good question about restorations too. It's sure to bring up a lot of discussion.
See you at Pittsburgh.
Cheers, Bill
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From: Tim Suddard via Fot
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 7:16 AM
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found
And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them.
After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car.
So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone.
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com Thu Jun 7 08:27:29 2018
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John Hasty)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 14:27:29 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found
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Jim: Royal Tire told me they were also going to be at the event.
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Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 8:53 AM
To: John Hasty
Cc: Jerry Van Vlack; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found
I have arranged for a tire supplier. SascoSports will be on site for the event.
You are correct, the PVGP did not have this organized and were not able to clarify a tire supplier. That was unacceptable and I secured Sasco.
An email will be coming out tonight with updated details on the K Cup event. I have just been waiting to get all the information assembled into one email.
Jim
Jerry: since you are one of the PittsburgH proud bunch, perhaps you can tell us if there will be a tire supplier at the KCup event. The event organizers don?t seem to know.
Sent from my iPhone
Perhaps reach out to the SCCA Steel Cities Region who know Bill well and must have some historical notes about him as well as D M Mims. I believe Bill was honored and there was a nice article written about him by Steel Cities within the past few years.
It wasn?t to long ago that Mims worked the grid at Pitt Race aka known as Beaver Run complete with pink gloves as I recall.
JVV
PS Bill it?s Pittsburgh with an h at the end. We?re a proud bunch <grin>.
Home of the WPTA.
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 6:17 PM
To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net ; tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com ; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found
My neighbor, two doors away here in Las Vegas, is from Pittsburg, and claims to have known Donna Mae as a neighbor growing up.
I'll ask him what he knows.
Bill Dentinger
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 2:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found
?
Tim, I thought Donna Mae's car was found and restored a few years back. The car and Donna Mae herself were at the SVRA race at Mid Ohio a few years ago. I thought you were there too. Donna Mae was a hoot.
Did she drive more than one?
Good question about restorations too. It's sure to bring up a lot of discussion.
See you at Pittsburgh.
Cheers, Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Suddard via Fot
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 7:16 AM
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found
And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them.
After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car.
So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone.
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From billdentin at aol.com Thu Jun 7 08:36:16 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:36:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
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I always used shelving paper. The kind with the adhesive on the back. Kept a roll in the trailer. Bill DENTINGER
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On Thursday, June 7, 2018, marty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
When you folks have to modify your number for an event what are you using that doesn't make a mess of things when you take it off? Duct tape, electrical tape, other?
Thanks,
Marty
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 7 08:58:02 2018
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 14:58:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
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Maybe you are using too good a duct tape :-)
I take a length of duct tape, stick it to my blue jeans once or twice to fill the gum with some lint, and then put it on the car. That reduces the stickiness considerably and makes removal easier with less paint risk.
Gary Schneider
From: Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>; marty <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
interested in this answer also. I used white duct tape before and the glue takes forever to remove
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On Thursday, June 7, 2018, 4:09:39 AM EDT, marty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
When you folks have to modify your number for an event what are you using that doesn't make a mess of things when you take it off? Duct tape, electrical tape, other?
Thanks,
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From igofaster at att.net Thu Jun 7 09:29:01 2018
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 15:29:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] gear ratios
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Can some of you smart guys help me to figure out gear ratios on the differential?
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From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jun 7 09:30:28 2018
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:30:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
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White electrical tape leaves less residue.? I've used white duct tape
and had to work at cleanup afterwards.
Tony
On 6/6/2018 8:52 PM, marty via Fot wrote:
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> When you folks have to modify your number for an event what are you
> using that doesn't make a mess of things when you take it off? Duct
> tape, electrical tape, other?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Marty
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From cudapilot at comcast.net Thu Jun 7 10:00:01 2018
From: cudapilot at comcast.net (Brian Garcia)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 11:00:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
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Easier yet is gaffers tape. It's adhesive leaves less of a residue than duct tape as it is designed to be used in temporary applications like movie sets, etc. Looks the same but has a matte cloth backing instead of a plasticized one. Available in colors at Pegasus Auto Racing
https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=3436-001
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> On June 7, 2018 at 6:44 AM Bill Tobin via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Black duct tape. Same width and color as the numbers. Easy to take off but leaves a little adhesive residue, which is easy to remove.
> Cheers, Bill
>
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: marty via Fot mailto:fot at autox.team.net
> > To: FOT mailto:fot at autox.team.net
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 9:52 PM
> > Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
> >
> > When you folks have to modify your number for an event what are you using that doesn't make a mess of things when you take it off? Duct tape, electrical tape, other?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Marty
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From agb at CompsNW.com Thu Jun 7 10:11:41 2018
From: agb at CompsNW.com (Alec Buchan)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 09:11:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
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I cut some out of adhesive shelf-like paper from a craft store. I cut several with the same font and have them in the trailer and they can be reused.
Alec Buchan
Sent from the field on my iPhone
> On Jun 7, 2018, at 3:33 AM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> interested in this answer also. I used white duct tape before and the glue takes forever to remove
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> On Thursday, June 7, 2018, 4:09:39 AM EDT, marty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> When you folks have to modify your number for an event what are you using that doesn't make a mess of things when you take it off? Duct tape, electrical tape, other?
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> Thanks,
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From billdentin at aol.com Thu Jun 7 11:03:03 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 13:03:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
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Marty...
A further comment on using your wife's shelving paper as stock for making race car number changes at an event.
Obviously the stuff comes in a roll so the pressure sensitive adhesive side has a cover layer in place until you go to use it. You use that side to sketch the number you want (usually a '1'). No so important for the numeral '1', but critical for most of the others...to remember to sketch it 'backwards' because when you cut it out it is the front side that will display. History tells us GROUP 44 learned this lesson when they cut numbers in a hurry at an event. They neglected to draw the numbers backwards. The way I understand it...that error actually became their trademark, and the basis for their 'backwards' logo. Hooray for GROUP 44. Everyone loves self depreciation humor, which, of course, comes easy for me.
Bill Dentinger
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To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2018 1:24 am
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
When you folks have to modify your number for an event what are you using that doesn't make a mess of things when you take it off? Duct tape, electrical tape, other?
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From billdentin at aol.com Thu Jun 7 12:48:31 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 14:48:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
From: Gary Schneider via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Brian Schirano <bschirano at yahoo.com>; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>; marty <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2018 11:29 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
Maybe you are using too good a duct tape :-)
I take a length of duct tape, stick it to my blue jeans once or twice to fill the gum with some lint, and then put it on the car. That reduces the stickiness considerably and makes removal easier with less paint risk.
Gary Schneider
Of course. Racers always use the uprated 100 mph Duct Tape.
After all these many, many years seeing you at the tracks, I finally understand how you achieve the very 'hip faded jeans' appearance on only your front upper thighs. I'll sleep better now. I had guessed it related to exotic stuff you've been leaning against.
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From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Jun 7 13:03:50 2018
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 12:03:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination request
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Hi Alec,
I'm not sure if you got a second for Mike. I'll second the nomination.
Dave H.
> On June 6, 2018 at 7:49 AM Alec Buchan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> This is almost a carbon copy of a nomination request yesterday, but it is a different driver and a different car.
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> I would like to nominate Mike Granat (mikegranat9 at gmail.com mailto:mikegranat9 at gmail.com ) to be included into the FOT community. Mike is in his Novice year with SOVREN, here in the PNW. He too, is running an absolutely beautiful 1967 Morgan which is Triumph powered. Not to mention, he has several others tucked away in his stable.
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> After two races, it is easy to see that Mike has a good handle on the race track and it won't be long before I won't be able to find him in my rear view mirror because he will be ahead of me!
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> Because Morgan's are a bit of a rare bird, this could be a good vehicle for those owners to communicate, in addition to the Triumph engines we all share.
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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Thu Jun 7 13:53:06 2018
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 19:53:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
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You guys keep your cars too clean, if you let a little grime accumulate then the tape actually cleans that part of the car when you remove it.
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From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 10:30 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
White electrical tape leaves less residue. I've used white duct tape and had to work at cleanup afterwards.
Tony
On 6/6/2018 8:52 PM, marty via Fot wrote:
When you folks have to modify your number for an event what are you using that doesn't make a mess of things when you take it off? Duct tape, electrical tape, other?
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From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu Jun 7 14:42:57 2018
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 15:42:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Temporary Numbers
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My favorite, and has been for 40+ years, is a little-known product called Scotch Plastic Tape, found in many hardware stores. Don?t know why it?s not better known, been around for decades. Comes in several colors, 3/4-inch and 1-1/2 inch widths (handy, the required rulebook minimum widths), and is extremely paint-friendly. I?ve put it on my cars and left it there for months, and it came off with no damage and minimum residue. Good luminescence too. I carry rolls in both my main car colors just to use when things need a quick change.
Don?t like duct tape for that purpose ? too sticky, too much residue.
Runoffs 2011, had to alter my numbers, the ?1? and the ?h? are made with the Scotch Plastic Tape (the ?4? and the ?p? are pre-cut vinyl).
--Rocky Entriken
From: Brian Garcia via Fot
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 11:00 AM
To: Bill Tobin via Fot ; Bill Tobin ; marty
Subject: Re: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
Easier yet is gaffers tape. It's adhesive leaves less of a residue than duct tape as it is designed to be used in temporary applications like movie sets, etc. Looks the same but has a matte cloth backing instead of a plasticized one. Available in colors at Pegasus Auto Racing
https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=3436-001
Brian
On June 7, 2018 at 6:44 AM Bill Tobin via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Black duct tape. Same width and color as the numbers. Easy to take off but leaves a little adhesive residue, which is easy to remove.
Cheers, Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: marty via Fot
To: FOT
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 9:52 PM
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
When you folks have to modify your number for an event what are you using that doesn't make a mess of things when you take it off? Duct tape, electrical tape, other?
Thanks,
Marty
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 7 15:48:58 2018
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:48:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
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People pay a lot of cash for pre-beat-up, torn-up jeans these days. Mine were 100% organic. Probably GMO & gluten-free too.
From: Bill Dentinger <billdentin at aol.com>
To: garygret at sbcglobal.net; bschirano at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net; trmarty at hotmail.com
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
From: Gary Schneider via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Brian Schirano <bschirano at yahoo.com>; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>; marty <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2018 11:29 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
Maybe you are using too good a duct tape :-)
I take a length of duct tape, stick it to my blue jeans once or twice to fill the gum with some lint, and then put it on the car. That reduces the stickiness considerably and makes removal easier with less paint risk.
Gary Schneider
Of course.? Racers always use the uprated 100 mph Duct Tape.
After all these many, many years seeing you at the tracks, I finally understand how you achieve the very 'hip faded jeans' appearance on only your front upper thighs.? I'll sleep better now.? I had guessed it related to exotic stuff you've been leaning against.
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From rkrantz77 at comcast.net Thu Jun 7 16:02:33 2018
From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (Ron KRANTZ)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 18:02:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] gear ratios
References: <2001619364.1799398.1528385341584.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Assuming the diff is out of the car.
1. Rotate 1 stub axle. If the other stub axle rotates the same direction it is either a posi track diff or the spider gears have been welded. If the other stub axle rotates in opposite direction it is an open diff.
2. Assuming both stub axles rotate same direction:
1. Match mark 1 stub axle and input pinion flange.
2. Rotate stub axle 360 degrees while counting the number of revs the pinion flange turns and look at where match mark on pinion flange ends up.
3. If pinion flange rotated:
o 4 1/2 turns gear ratio is 4.5 : 1.0
o A little more than 4 revs ratio is 4.11 : 1.0
o A little less than 4 revs ratio is 3.89 :1.0
o 3 1/4 revs ratio is 3.26 :1.0
4. Assuming stub axles rotate in opposite directions
o block 1 stub axle from turning with a bolt inserted in a axle mounting hole.
o rotate the free stub axle clockwise until opposite stub axle does not turn.
o match mark free stub axle and pinion flange
o Now rotate free stub axle 2 revolutions while counting pinion flange revs
o Go to step 3 above for ratios.
> On June 7, 2018 at 11:29 AM Bobby Whitehead via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Can some of you smart guys help me to figure out gear ratios on the differential?
>
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From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Jun 7 17:43:04 2018
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 16:43:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] team.net donate link
Hi Friends,
I just hit the donate to team.net link at the bottom of an FoT mail, but probably don't often enough. A little reminder can do good.
Mark works hard to keep us all connected.
Thanks Mark.
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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 7 18:45:39 2018
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 00:45:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
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Hi Bill.? When I completely rebuilt my TR-4 over the 1979-80 winter (new frame, cage, lightened everything, etc.) prior to entering my first year of full time National racing, I had an artist friend paint the numbers on, using a sample that I provided.? I used number 11, which gave me a number of options if I needed to change it (71, 17, 41, 14, 77, 44, etc.)? Before long, I needed to repaint most of the car, so the numbers would be lost.? Before repainting, I used tracing paper to outline the painted on numbers, then transferred the tracing to a thin cardboard template which I used to outline the numbers on Contact Paper.? I carried the template and a roll of Contact Paper in my log book for the rest of my racing career, and kept them in my tow vehicle.? Handy, if I got to a track and needed new numbers.? Contact Paper proved to be a perfect medium.? Stayed on well, came off easily, and didn't leave any residue.
Regards,
Jack
On Thursday, June 7, 2018, 6:02:50 PM EDT, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Marty...
A further comment on using your wife's shelving paper as stock for making race car number changes at an event.?
Obviously the stuff comes in a roll so the pressure sensitive adhesive side has a cover layer in place until you go to use it.? You use that side to sketch the number you want (usually a '1').? No so important for the numeral '1', but critical for most of the others...to remember to sketch it 'backwards' because when you cut it out it is the front side that will display.? History tells us GROUP 44 learned this lesson when they cut numbers in a hurry at an event.? They neglected to draw the numbers backwards.? The way I understand it...that error actually became their trademark, and the basis for their 'backwards' logo.? Hooray for GROUP 44.? Everyone loves self depreciation humor, which, of course, comes easy for me.
Bill Dentinger?
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To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2018 1:24 am
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
When you folks have to modify your number for an event what are you using that doesn't make a mess of things when you take it off? Duct tape, electrical tape, other?
Thanks,
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From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 19:21:52 2018
From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:21:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
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As a flagger, I like to see a clear number change. Electrical tape works
well, it is available in various colors. Please make sure it won't peel off
with the high rate of speed that our cars achieve.
Doug Mitchell
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 5:58 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:
> Marty...
>
> A further comment on using your wife's shelving paper as stock for making
> race car number changes at an event.
>
> Obviously the stuff comes in a roll so the pressure sensitive adhesive
> side has a cover layer in place until you go to use it. You use that side
> to sketch the number you want (usually a '1'). No so important for the
> numeral '1', but critical for most of the others...to remember to sketch it
> 'backwards' because when you cut it out it is the front side that will
> display. History tells us GROUP 44 learned this lesson when they cut
> numbers in a hurry at an event. They neglected to draw the numbers
> backwards. The way I understand it...that error actually became their
> trademark, and the basis for their 'backwards' logo. Hooray for GROUP 44.
> Everyone loves self depreciation humor, which, of course, comes easy for me.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2018 1:24 am
> Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
>
> When you folks have to modify your number for an event what are you using
> that doesn't make a mess of things when you take it off? Duct tape,
> electrical tape, other?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marty
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From billdentin at aol.com Thu Jun 7 23:02:06 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 01:02:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
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Hmmmm...Good Point.
After all the years I used my wife's adhesive shelving paper (Contact Paper) for temporary numbers, I only had it fail @ speed once, and that was off the bonnet. Always stuck just fine on the sides and boot. It always stuck well, and When I would remove it, It came off easily, and I had little or no residue to deal with. It would peel right off. If and when there was any residue, it came right off using a 3M product. I believe it was called Contractor's Solvent. Sounds silly, and I have never tried it, but people have told me peanut butter works too.
I did not always have a simple time removing other decals, tech stickers, etc., many of which had more serious residue issues. 3D product worked there too, but required more effort.
Bill Dentinger
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On Thursday, June 7, 2018, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
You guys keep your cars too clean, if you let a little grime accumulate then the tape actually cleans that part of the car when you remove it.
MARK CRAIG
Diesel Performance Parts, Inc.
411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211
www.dieselperformanceparts.com
Phone: 615-834-0066
Fax: 615-834-9923
Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 10:30 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
White electrical tape leaves less residue. I've used white duct tape and had to work at cleanup afterwards.
Tony
On 6/6/2018 8:52 PM, marty via Fot wrote:
When you folks have to modify your number for an event what are you using that doesn't make a mess of things when you take it off? Duct tape, electrical tape, other?
Thanks,
Marty
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From bschirano at yahoo.com Fri Jun 8 04:50:14 2018
From: bschirano at yahoo.com (Brian Schirano)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 10:50:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
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Thanks everyone. I just ordered? roll of 3M vinyle tape tht is supposed to leave low residue. I used duct tape before and it left too much hard to remove gloe behind
See you up to Canada!
Brian
26A GT6+, 28 TR6Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell?
BSchirano at yahoo.com
On Friday, June 8, 2018, 3:19:05 AM EDT, Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
As a flagger, I like to see a clear number change. Electrical tape works well, it is available in various colors. Please make sure it won't peel off with the high rate of speed that our cars achieve.
Doug Mitchell
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 5:58 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Marty...
A further comment on using your wife's shelving paper as stock for making race car number changes at an event.?
Obviously the stuff comes in a roll so the pressure sensitive adhesive side has a cover layer in place until you go to use it.? You use that side to sketch the number you want (usually a '1').? No so important for the numeral '1', but critical for most of the others...to remember to sketch it 'backwards' because when you cut it out it is the front side that will display.? History tells us GROUP 44 learned this lesson when they cut numbers in a hurry at an event.? They neglected to draw the numbers backwards.? The way I understand it...that error actually became their trademark, and the basis for their 'backwards' logo.? Hooray for GROUP 44.? Everyone loves self depreciation humor, which, of course, comes easy for me.
Bill Dentinger?
-----Original Message-----
From: marty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2018 1:24 am
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
When you folks have to modify your number for an event what are you using that doesn't make a mess of things when you take it off? Duct tape, electrical tape, other?
Thanks,
Marty_______________________________________________
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Jun 8 05:32:12 2018
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 11:32:12 +0000
Subject: [Fot] team.net donate link
References: <1434468323.676235.1528414985267@connect.xfinity.com>
Good reminder! I?ve just hit it, too. Not often enough.
Scott B.
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 6:43 PM
To: Friends of Triumph <Fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] team.net donate link
Hi Friends,
I just hit the donate to team.net link at the bottom of an FoT mail, but probably don't often enough. A little reminder can do good.
Mark works hard to keep us all connected.
Thanks Mark.
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From spitlist at cox.net Fri Jun 8 06:48:18 2018
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 08:48:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
References: <BLUPR19MB0355F7AD307B841AD540AAE9BA640@BLUPR19MB0355.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
<163db33a10d-c8d-15811@webjas-vac044.srv.aolmail.net>
<CAGctxs77i3Bs4U2wVqBtqm064U+udRDNCcTCDdECMt4+71Syzg@mail.gmail.com>
<1128070379.677829.1528455014596@mail.yahoo.com>
The stickty residue from any tape can easily be removed using any number of Painting Prep solvents. I use PPG's Acryli-Clean. Id removes tar, grease and road film as well. Good stuff to keep handy.
Joe C.
> On June 8, 2018 at 6:50 AM Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone. I just ordered roll of 3M vinyle tape tht is supposed to leave low residue. I used duct tape before and it left too much hard to remove gloe behind
>
> See you up to Canada!
>
> Brian
>
> 26A GT6+, 28 TR6
> Brian Schirano
> 585-305-0349 Cell
> BSchirano at yahoo.com
>
>
> On Friday, June 8, 2018, 3:19:05 AM EDT, Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> As a flagger, I like to see a clear number change. Electrical tape works well, it is available in various colors. Please make sure it won't peel off with the high rate of speed that our cars achieve.
>
> Doug Mitchell
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 5:58 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
>
> > > Marty...
> >
> > A further comment on using your wife's shelving paper as stock for making race car number changes at an event.
> >
> > Obviously the stuff comes in a roll so the pressure sensitive adhesive side has a cover layer in place until you go to use it. You use that side to sketch the number you want (usually a '1'). No so important for the numeral '1', but critical for most of the others...to remember to sketch it 'backwards' because when you cut it out it is the front side that will display. History tells us GROUP 44 learned this lesson when they cut numbers in a hurry at an event. They neglected to draw the numbers backwards. The way I understand it...that error actually became their trademark, and the basis for their 'backwards' logo. Hooray for GROUP 44. Everyone loves self depreciation humor, which, of course, comes easy for me.
> >
> > Bill Dentinger
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: marty via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net >
> > To: FOT < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net >
> > Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2018 1:24 am
> > Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
> >
> > When you folks have to modify your number for an event what are you using that doesn't make a mess of things when you take it off? Duct tape, electrical tape, other?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Marty
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 07:21:00 2018
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 06:21:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
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<1128070379.677829.1528455014596@mail.yahoo.com>
The last numbers that went on the Spitfire were made from black duct tape and wood grain contact paper. The white roundelles were contact paper to.
They?ve been on the car since they were applied in 1976.
My new roundelles and numbers beautifully made on 3M ControlTac have arrived...can?t wait to get them on the car!
Getting 43 year old duct tape and contact paper off the car is the challenge...
Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:50 AM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone. I just ordered roll of 3M vinyle tape tht is supposed to leave low residue. I used duct tape before and it left too much hard to remove gloe behind
>
> See you up to Canada!
>
> Brian
>
> 26A GT6+, 28 TR6
> Brian Schirano
> 585-305-0349 Cell
> BSchirano at yahoo.com
>
>
> On Friday, June 8, 2018, 3:19:05 AM EDT, Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> As a flagger, I like to see a clear number change. Electrical tape works well, it is available in various colors. Please make sure it won't peel off with the high rate of speed that our cars achieve.
>
> Doug Mitchell
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 5:58 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> Marty...
>
> A further comment on using your wife's shelving paper as stock for making race car number changes at an event.
>
> Obviously the stuff comes in a roll so the pressure sensitive adhesive side has a cover layer in place until you go to use it. You use that side to sketch the number you want (usually a '1'). No so important for the numeral '1', but critical for most of the others...to remember to sketch it 'backwards' because when you cut it out it is the front side that will display. History tells us GROUP 44 learned this lesson when they cut numbers in a hurry at an event. They neglected to draw the numbers backwards. The way I understand it...that error actually became their trademark, and the basis for their 'backwards' logo. Hooray for GROUP 44. Everyone loves self depreciation humor, which, of course, comes easy for me.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2018 1:24 am
> Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
>
> When you folks have to modify your number for an event what are you using that doesn't make a mess of things when you take it off? Duct tape, electrical tape, other?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marty
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>
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From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jun 8 07:58:20 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:58:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] team.net donate link
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I sent a check to ?The Fat Chance Garage?, in that state right above me.
Bill Dentinger
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On Friday, June 8, 2018, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Good reminder! I?ve just hit it, too. Not often enough.
Scott B.
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 6:43 PM
To: Friends of Triumph <Fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] team.net donate link
Hi Friends,
I just hit the donate to team.net link at the bottom of an FoT mail, but probably don't often enough. A little reminder can do good.
Mark works hard to keep us all connected.
Thanks Mark.
DH
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From explore8 at outlook.com Fri Jun 8 10:20:04 2018
From: explore8 at outlook.com (D V)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 16:20:04 +0000
Subject: [Fot] New Recruit
A few weeks ago, we nominated Len Root, a fellow Spitfire driver, to the FOT.
He has not been receiving emails and has been checking his junk folder.
His email is below.
dulon50 at gmail.com
Thanks
Sent from my iPhone
From pethier7 at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 11:46:30 2018
From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 12:46:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
References: <BLUPR19MB0355F7AD307B841AD540AAE9BA640@BLUPR19MB0355.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
<163db33a10d-c8d-15811@webjas-vac044.srv.aolmail.net>
<CAGctxs77i3Bs4U2wVqBtqm064U+udRDNCcTCDdECMt4+71Syzg@mail.gmail.com>
<1128070379.677829.1528455014596@mail.yahoo.com>
If you ever want to cut numbers from vinyl film, do NOT buy 3M ScotchCal.
It is very sticky and unforgiving.
Get 3M ControlTac With Comply. This stuff is great. If you look closely,
you will see it has a tiny checkered appearance. This is because it has
tiny air channels which make it impossible to trap an air bubble. Whether
you apply the film directly to your racecar or put it on a magnetic sheet,
it's the way to go.
On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 5:50 AM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:
> Thanks everyone. I just ordered roll of 3M vinyle tape tht is supposed to
> leave low residue. I used duct tape before and it left too much hard to
> remove gloe behind
>
> See you up to Canada!
>
> Brian
>
> 26A GT6+, 28 TR6
> Brian Schirano
> 585-305-0349 Cell
> BSchirano at yahoo.com
>
>
> On Friday, June 8, 2018, 3:19:05 AM EDT, Doug Mitchell via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> As a flagger, I like to see a clear number change. Electrical tape works
> well, it is available in various colors. Please make sure it won't peel off
> with the high rate of speed that our cars achieve.
>
> Doug Mitchell
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 5:58 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Marty...
>
> A further comment on using your wife's shelving paper as stock for making
> race car number changes at an event.
>
> Obviously the stuff comes in a roll so the pressure sensitive adhesive
> side has a cover layer in place until you go to use it. You use that side
> to sketch the number you want (usually a '1'). No so important for the
> numeral '1', but critical for most of the others...to remember to sketch it
> 'backwards' because when you cut it out it is the front side that will
> display. History tells us GROUP 44 learned this lesson when they cut
> numbers in a hurry at an event. They neglected to draw the numbers
> backwards. The way I understand it...that error actually became their
> trademark, and the basis for their 'backwards' logo. Hooray for GROUP 44.
> Everyone loves self depreciation humor, which, of course, comes easy for me.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2018 1:24 am
> Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
>
> When you folks have to modify your number for an event what are you using
> that doesn't make a mess of things when you take it off? Duct tape,
> electrical tape, other?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marty
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com Fri Jun 8 15:43:57 2018
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 21:43:57 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Number
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From dlhogye at comcast.net Fri Jun 8 15:53:18 2018
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 14:53:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
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This topic sure has many solutions and suggestions. Here's my approach. Knowing that sometimes a number change is needed for an event, when I had my numbers printed I had extra 1s and 8s printed at a minimal extra cost, in the same size and font.
The 1 could be placed in front or back of the my usual 63, or the 8 can be trimmed to make a 3 into an 8. Of course there are other options with the extra numbers.
When applying the numbers always use a spray bottle of water with a drop or two of dish soap. Spray the panel and the back side of the number. This allows plenty of time for placement and adjustment, then squeegee the number in place. A ruler and a level can be helpful too. The panel should be clean and waxed. Wax will help with removal.
For a quickie solution, I'd choose electrical tape over duct tape, but I appreciate the denim adhesive reduction trick. Contact paper is a good idea too.
Dave H.
> On June 6, 2018 at 6:52 PM marty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> When you folks have to modify your number for an event what are you using that doesn't make a mess of things when you take it off? Duct tape, electrical tape, other?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marty
>
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 13:56:32 2018
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 12:56:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
References: <BLUPR19MB0355F7AD307B841AD540AAE9BA640@BLUPR19MB0355.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
<163db33a10d-c8d-15811@webjas-vac044.srv.aolmail.net>
<CAGctxs77i3Bs4U2wVqBtqm064U+udRDNCcTCDdECMt4+71Syzg@mail.gmail.com>
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<005d01d3ff5b$89f09ab0$9dd1d010$@rr.com>
Ha ha...try getting that stuff in California...
Next trip to Vegas!
Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 8, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Spitfire Racing <spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Use a little PPG DX-330 or in a worst case scenario an angle grinder???????. ?that?ll buff out!?
> :-o
>
> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Eells via Fot
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 9:21 AM
> To: Brian Schirano
> Cc: Fot
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
>
> The last numbers that went on the Spitfire were made from black duct tape and wood grain contact paper. The white roundelles were contact paper to.
>
> They?ve been on the car since they were applied in 1976.
>
> My new roundelles and numbers beautifully made on 3M ControlTac have arrived...can?t wait to get them on the car!
>
> Getting 43 year old duct tape and contact paper off the car is the challenge...
>
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:50 AM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone. I just ordered roll of 3M vinyle tape tht is supposed to leave low residue. I used duct tape before and it left too much hard to remove gloe behind
>
> See you up to Canada!
>
> Brian
>
> 26A GT6+, 28 TR6
> Brian Schirano
> 585-305-0349 Cell
> BSchirano at yahoo.com
>
>
> On Friday, June 8, 2018, 3:19:05 AM EDT, Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> As a flagger, I like to see a clear number change. Electrical tape works well, it is available in various colors. Please make sure it won't peel off with the high rate of speed that our cars achieve.
>
> Doug Mitchell
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 5:58 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> Marty...
>
> A further comment on using your wife's shelving paper as stock for making race car number changes at an event.
>
> Obviously the stuff comes in a roll so the pressure sensitive adhesive side has a cover layer in place until you go to use it. You use that side to sketch the number you want (usually a '1'). No so important for the numeral '1', but critical for most of the others...to remember to sketch it 'backwards' because when you cut it out it is the front side that will display. History tells us GROUP 44 learned this lesson when they cut numbers in a hurry at an event. They neglected to draw the numbers backwards. The way I understand it...that error actually became their trademark, and the basis for their 'backwards' logo. Hooray for GROUP 44. Everyone loves self depreciation humor, which, of course, comes easy for me.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2018 1:24 am
> Subject: [Fot] Temperary Numbers
>
> When you folks have to modify your number for an event what are you using that doesn't make a mess of things when you take it off? Duct tape, electrical tape, other?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marty
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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 10:27:51 2018
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2018 16:27:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] July Hemmings
References: <1142925268.48349304.1525707403875.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com>
<CANzE1bFNNppkfitkbCSmH8+td1gcPNrXyedz-mTUroVR-0Okvw@mail.gmail.com>
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Has anyone seen the July issue of Hemmings Motor News?? On page 507, in the lower right hand corner is something advertised as a "Triumph 1967 TR4A".? The only thing in the picture that looks like a TR-4 is the windshield.? Anyone have any idea what the rest of it is?? Looks like maybe a homebuilt racer?? Maybe they got the wrong description with this picture?? I'd be interested in any comments.
Jack
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From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jun 9 12:48:46 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2018 14:48:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] July Hemmings
References: <2112899453.2389267.1528561671332@mail.yahoo.com>
My wife won?t allow me to read Hemings Motor News.
Bill Dentinger
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
On Saturday, June 9, 2018, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Has anyone seen the July issue of Hemmings Motor News? On page 507, in the lower right hand corner is something advertised as a "Triumph 1967 TR4A". The only thing in the picture that looks like a TR-4 is the windshield. Anyone have any idea what the rest of it is? Looks like maybe a homebuilt racer? Maybe they got the wrong description with this picture? I'd be interested in any comments.
Jack
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Sat Jun 9 13:05:38 2018
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2018 15:05:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumphs going to Mosport(CTMP)
For any of you interested, I will have a bunch of real estate coned off in
paddock #5 which is just inside turn 1, please join us. This is especially
useful for those who have never run the course before. Many of us have been
here before and can offer input as to where things are and where is best to
watch racing from, not to mention the social advantages of being a part of
the Triumph ?Ghetto?. The wings and Lager will be set up next to us on
Friday evening for convenience. For further clarification and a map see the
VARAC Vintage GP website.
Directions:
After going through the main gate go through the tunnel and at the stop sign
make a left turn; you?ll come to a tee and another stop sign-turn left again
(you?ll see the podium and the fueling station on the right side. Turn to
the right immediately after the fueling station-we?ll be about ? way down on
the right. This is right at the exit from the hot pits. You made it!
If you have any questions or needs please contact me.
Also I will be able to Tech your cars in the paddock so no need to be
concerned about rushing up to the Tech area.
Russ Moore
Spitfire #49 (#(1)49 at Mosport)
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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 11 17:16:32 2018
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 23:16:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] PVGP Entries
References: <628881647.3893640.1528758992400.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Hi,
The driver's pages suggest that the entries list will be posted on or around June first. It's well past that now. Are they typically very slow in posting the entries list?
Just curious, that's all. Now back to painting the car...
Bob Lang
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From biznzman at pacbell.net Mon Jun 11 19:52:07 2018
From: biznzman at pacbell.net (Stephen Borowski)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 21:52:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hotel Recommendation for the Kastner
Hello All,
What hotel are the Triumph people staying at for the Kastner Cup?
Thxs. Steve & Mat
Florida TR4 Racer
From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jun 11 22:02:51 2018
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 23:02:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hotel Recommendation for the Kastner
References: <F05DEE5C-9E2F-4A4D-8C2D-4C3550117B2F@pacbell.net>
*Hotel *
Host hotel is Comfort Inn ? Cranberry Township? 924 Sheraton Drive,
Mars, PA, 16046? Phone: (724) 772-2700.
We secured a room rate of $89/night.
Tell them you are with the Kastner Cup to get the proper rate.
Regards, Tony
On 6/11/2018 8:52 PM, Stephen Borowski via Fot wrote:
> Hello All,
> What hotel are the Triumph people staying at for the Kastner Cup?
>
> Thxs. Steve & Mat
> Florida TR4 Racer
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From jdolan at voyagerhldgs.com Mon Jun 11 23:05:08 2018
From: jdolan at voyagerhldgs.com (James J Dolan)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 05:05:08 +0000
Subject: [Fot] PVGP Entries
References: <628881647.3893640.1528758992400.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
<628881647.3893640.1528758992400@mail.yahoo.com>
They are just slow.
Race committee meeting was just held, that releases first entry list.
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, June 11, 2018 at 8:46 PM
To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] PVGP Entries
Hi,
The driver's pages suggest that the entries list will be posted on or around June first. It's well past that now. Are they typically very slow in posting the entries list?
Just curious, that's all. Now back to painting the car...
Bob Lang
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Jun 12 06:03:25 2018
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 08:03:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hotel Recommendation for the Kastner
References: <F05DEE5C-9E2F-4A4D-8C2D-4C3550117B2F@pacbell.net>
<daa6139f-ea6f-b052-c958-e93afc15321a@tonydrews.com>
Hi All, the area around Cranberry twp is next to the intersection of I79 and the PA Turnpike. It's very developed with nearly anything you could want. Hotels, restaurants, stores, bars, gas.
Easy access from I79 or the Turnpike and a short distance from the track.
Also close to Zelienople, Connoquenessing and Slippery Rock. Great names for towns! And yes, there is a Mars, PA.
The Rock is a big rival of Edinboro U of PA, where I went to school.
See you there.
Cheers, Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Drews via Fot
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hotel Recommendation for the Kastner
Hotel
Host hotel is Comfort Inn ? Cranberry Township 924 Sheraton Drive, Mars, PA, 16046 Phone: (724) 772-2700.
We secured a room rate of $89/night.
Tell them you are with the Kastner Cup to get the proper rate.
Regards, Tony
On 6/11/2018 8:52 PM, Stephen Borowski via Fot wrote:
Hello All,
What hotel are the Triumph people staying at for the Kastner Cup?
Thxs. Steve & Mat
Florida TR4 Racer
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From jsukey at gmail.com Tue Jun 12 09:48:27 2018
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 11:48:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for 13x6 wheels
I'm looking for a set of 13x6" (or 5.5") wheels in Spitfire/GT6 fitment.
I've been looking at the VTO option- wanted to check the used market before
I place that order. I'd be able to pick up at Mosport this weekend.
Thanks,
Jason
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From LawrenceRoss at allstate.com Tue Jun 12 11:03:54 2018
From: LawrenceRoss at allstate.com (Ross, Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 17:03:54 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Looking for 13x6 wheels
References: <CAMmo4o-Bc=VtTc1zhZVLs1ZVXDHxCjP0LqMBHQqixt8+AYO3pw@mail.gmail.com>
I have 14'' Panasports for sale that will fit a late Spitfire or TR7/TR8 .
I believe that they are 14x7.
$ 600 plus shipping.
Larry Ross
67 Old Clairton Rd.
Pittsburgh, PA. 15236
(412) 780-8495 - cell
________________________________
From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Jason Sukey via Fot [fot at autox.team.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 11:48 AM
To: FOT list
Subject: [External] [Fot] Looking for 13x6 wheels
I'm looking for a set of 13x6" (or 5.5") wheels in Spitfire/GT6 fitment. I've been looking at the VTO option- wanted to check the used market before I place that order. I'd be able to pick up at Mosport this weekend.
Thanks,
Jason
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From jsukey at gmail.com Tue Jun 12 11:06:00 2018
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 13:06:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for 13x6 wheels
References: <CAMmo4o-Bc=VtTc1zhZVLs1ZVXDHxCjP0LqMBHQqixt8+AYO3pw@mail.gmail.com>
<7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23E98024@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com>
Larry,
Thanks for the reply, but I need 13" wheels.
Jason
On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 1:04 PM Ross, Lawrence <LawrenceRoss at allstate.com>
wrote:
> I have 14'' Panasports for sale that will fit a late Spitfire or TR7/TR8 .
>
>
>
> I believe that they are 14x7.
>
>
>
> $ 600 plus shipping.
>
>
> *Larry Ross*
> *67 Old Clairton Rd.*
> *Pittsburgh, PA. 15236*
> *(412) 780-8495 - cell*
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Jason Sukey via Fot
> [fot at autox.team.net]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 12, 2018 11:48 AM
> *To:* FOT list
> *Subject:* [External] [Fot] Looking for 13x6 wheels
>
> I'm looking for a set of 13x6" (or 5.5") wheels in Spitfire/GT6 fitment.
> I've been looking at the VTO option- wanted to check the used market before
> I place that order. I'd be able to pick up at Mosport this weekend.
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
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From teamtri at aol.com Tue Jun 12 19:04:25 2018
From: teamtri at aol.com (Scott Harper)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:04:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?b?MTPigJ0geCA24oCdIHdoZWVscw==?=
Jason,
We have a new set of 13 x 6 eight spoke John Brown wheels in stock. There is also a used set of four spoke Revolution and used slotted American Racing wheels available. Call me if you have any interest.
Thanks,
Scott Harper
Sent from my iPhone
From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jun 12 20:21:25 2018
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:21:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for 13x6 wheels
References: <CAMmo4o-Bc=VtTc1zhZVLs1ZVXDHxCjP0LqMBHQqixt8+AYO3pw@mail.gmail.com>
<00c301d4028f$8069e730$813db590$@rogers.com>
<CAMmo4o-Dfp=7BaXZwJTm-j5jBD2zvJst1kG4Duyo9feWUNaPmw@mail.gmail.com>
http://www.triumphspitfire.com/wheels.html
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Sukey via Fot
Sent: June 12, 2018 11:48 AM
To: FOT list
Subject: [Fot] Looking for 13x6 wheels
I'm looking for a set of 13x6" (or 5.5") wheels in Spitfire/GT6 fitment. I've been looking at the VTO option- wanted to check the used market before I place that order. I'd be able to pick up at Mosport this weekend.
Thanks,
Jason
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jun 12 21:09:08 2018
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 23:09:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for 13x6 wheels
References: <CAMmo4o-Bc=VtTc1zhZVLs1ZVXDHxCjP0LqMBHQqixt8+AYO3pw@mail.gmail.com>
<00c301d4028f$8069e730$813db590$@rogers.com>
<CAMmo4o-Dfp=7BaXZwJTm-j5jBD2zvJst1kG4Duyo9feWUNaPmw@mail.gmail.com>
<007f01d402bd$3b27de10$b1779a30$@rogers.com>
Also Lotus Europa, Lotus 7 and Formula Ford wheels will fit
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 10:21 PM
To: 'Jason Sukey'; Fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Looking for 13x6 wheels
http://www.triumphspitfire.com/wheels.html
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Sukey via Fot
Sent: June 12, 2018 11:48 AM
To: FOT list
Subject: [Fot] Looking for 13x6 wheels
I'm looking for a set of 13x6" (or 5.5") wheels in Spitfire/GT6 fitment. I've been looking at the VTO option- wanted to check the used market before I place that order. I'd be able to pick up at Mosport this weekend.
Thanks,
Jason
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From mckearn2 at gmail.com Wed Jun 13 07:56:59 2018
From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:56:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Looking for 13x6 wheels
References: <CAMmo4o-Bc=VtTc1zhZVLs1ZVXDHxCjP0LqMBHQqixt8+AYO3pw@mail.gmail.com>
<7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23E98024@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com>
Hi Jason.
I have a set of the slotted mags from my street GT6 (13x6). Not sure if
they are Ansen but are USA made. Good condition Quality wheels.
Pat
On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot <fot at autox.team.net
> wrote:
> I have 14'' Panasports for sale that will fit a late Spitfire or TR7/TR8 .
>
>
>
> I believe that they are 14x7.
>
>
>
> $ 600 plus shipping.
>
>
> *Larry Ross*
> *67 Old Clairton Rd.*
> *Pittsburgh, PA. 15236*
> *(412) 780-8495 - cell*
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Jason Sukey via Fot
> [fot at autox.team.net]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 12, 2018 11:48 AM
> *To:* FOT list
> *Subject:* [External] [Fot] Looking for 13x6 wheels
>
> I'm looking for a set of 13x6" (or 5.5") wheels in Spitfire/GT6 fitment.
> I've been looking at the VTO option- wanted to check the used market before
> I place that order. I'd be able to pick up at Mosport this weekend.
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
>
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Wed Jun 13 15:20:41 2018
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 17:20:41 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt on TV!
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From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jun 13 20:54:20 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 22:54:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt on TV!
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Mike...
WOW! Brings back memories. Bob Wismer and I took turns racing that car (a year at a time, usually 8-10 events per year). We ran one hundred and eleven events with that race car, before we decided to retire it. Bob's daughter Kim, and her husband, Doug Allison, have done a fine job in an effort to transform her into a civil street car.
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On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
FOTers,
If you have TV service that gets the Velocity channel, look for the episode of FantomWorks that aired a new episode last night.
It is episode number 57 and is titled "Busted Knuckle".
Within the first 5 minutes you will be introduced to the very rare and famous TR powered Thunderbolt owned and raced by our very own Bob Wismer and Bill Dentinger. In fact, you will see one of his daughters and her husband that now own it. I've had the privilege of being on track with that voluptuous car many times over the years.
Sandy wasnt here to watch it with me so I'm saving it for later today when we are both available.
Mike Jackson - TR3
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From tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com Thu Jun 14 05:12:14 2018
From: tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com (Tim Suddard)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 07:12:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt on TV!
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And if you remember, I bought the Tornado Typhoon, from Doug that was used for spares, and restored it. I wish it too, was Triumph powered.
Tim Suddard
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> On Jun 13, 2018, at 10:54 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Mike...
>
> WOW! Brings back memories. Bob Wismer and I took turns racing that car (a year at a time, usually 8-10 events per year). We ran one hundred and eleven events with that race car, before we decided to retire it. Bob's daughter Kim, and her husband, Doug Allison, have done a fine job in an effort to transform her into a civil street car.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
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> On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> FOTers,
>
> If you have TV service that gets the Velocity channel, look for the episode of FantomWorks that aired a new episode last night.
> It is episode number 57 and is titled "Busted Knuckle".
>
> Within the first 5 minutes you will be introduced to the very rare and famous TR powered Thunderbolt owned and raced by our very own Bob Wismer and Bill Dentinger. In fact, you will see one of his daughters and her husband that now own it. I've had the privilege of being on track with that voluptuous car many times over the years.
>
> Sandy wasnt here to watch it with me so I'm saving it for later today when we are both available.
>
> Mike Jackson - TR3
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From fubog1 at aol.com Thu Jun 14 05:25:51 2018
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 07:25:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt on TV!
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Very cool to see the old Thunderbolt on the TV!
It brings back some good memories...
Glen
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Jun 13, 2018 7:09 pm
Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt on TV!
FOTers,
If you have TV service that gets the Velocity channel, look for the episode of FantomWorks that aired a new episode last night.
It is episode number 57 and is titled "Busted Knuckle".
Within the first 5 minutes you will be introduced to the very rare and famous TR powered Thunderbolt owned and raced by our very own Bob Wismer and Bill Dentinger. In fact, you will see one of his daughters and her husband that now own it. I've had the privilege of being on track with that voluptuous car many times over the years.
Sandy wasnt here to watch it with me so I'm saving it for later today when we are both available.
Mike Jackson - TR3
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From kknight at klaenv.com Fri Jun 15 14:44:20 2018
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Kenneth Knight)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 13:44:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] PVGP Entry Lists
Hey, if anyone sees that they have posted the entry list and car
classifications for the PVGP please let us all know. I looked this am and
could not find anything.
I could not find a Triumph to race but did sort a 2 liter B Sedan thanks to
John Hasty.
Ken
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From vfracing at aol.com Fri Jun 15 16:01:21 2018
From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 18:01:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP Entry Lists
References: <002201d404e9$a41afc30$ec50f490$@klaenv.com>
Here is the link
http://www.pvgp.org/2018-historics-race-entries/
vfracing at aol.com
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From: Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Jun 15, 2018 5:29 pm
Subject: [Fot] PVGP Entry Lists
Hey, if anyone sees that they have posted the entry list and car classifications for the PVGP please let us all know. I looked this am and could not find anything.
I could not find a Triumph to race but did sort a 2 liter B Sedan thanks to John Hasty.
Ken
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From steve at artwithcars.com Fri Jun 15 18:47:49 2018
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 17:47:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt on TV!
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I just watched the Fantom Works program that featured the T-Bolt.
It was great to see that car on TV and hear it run. I got pretty emotional when the family picture of Bob Wismer came on the TV.
I do need to say that the ?Star? of that program, the garage owner, is a complete jerk. (I?m being very polite. He?s a total douchebag!) They couldn?t figure out how to rebuild the gearbox? They were totally surprised and disappointed that the car did not have a TR3 chassis? Also, the electrical fire was obviously staged, who rewires the dash with the battery connected? I think they create this fake conflict to create drama for ratings. It was a great car, built by some of the best restorers around.
~Steve
> On Jun 14, 2018, at 4:25 AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Very cool to see the old Thunderbolt on the TV!
> It brings back some good memories...
> Glen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wed, Jun 13, 2018 7:09 pm
> Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt on TV!
>
> FOTers,
>
> If you have TV service that gets the Velocity channel, look for the episode of FantomWorks that aired a new episode last night.
> It is episode number 57 and is titled "Busted Knuckle".
>
> Within the first 5 minutes you will be introduced to the very rare and famous TR powered Thunderbolt owned and raced by our very own Bob Wismer and Bill Dentinger. In fact, you will see one of his daughters and her husband that now own it. I've had the privilege of being on track with that voluptuous car many times over the years.
>
> Sandy wasnt here to watch it with me so I'm saving it for later today when we are both available.
>
> Mike Jackson - TR3
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From dlhogye at comcast.net Fri Jun 15 21:18:50 2018
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 20:18:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt on TV!
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I caught the program the other night.
I totally agree with you Steve...douchebag!
It's the only T.V. hyped restoration shop that repeatedly tests brakes after they work on them, by going really fast in a straight line then standing on the brake peddle and locking all four wheels for a very long skid. If it were my car, I'd be very pissed and demand a new set of tires.
Total douchebags.
Thankfully, you have spelled douchebags correctly. Spellcheck didn't apply.
The other douchebag program is, speed is the new black. Capitals for the title should not apply. I don't know where they find these guys.
Lucky for them, there are many with deep pockets that don't know the difference.
Dave H.
Oops, I might be burning my Brats.
> On June 15, 2018 at 5:47 PM Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> I just watched the Fantom Works program that featured the T-Bolt.
>
> It was great to see that car on TV and hear it run. I got pretty emotional when the family picture of Bob Wismer came on the TV.
>
> I do need to say that the ?Star? of that program, the garage owner, is a complete jerk. (I?m being very polite. He?s a total douchebag!) They couldn?t figure out how to rebuild the gearbox? They were totally surprised and disappointed that the car did not have a TR3 chassis? Also, the electrical fire was obviously staged, who rewires the dash with the battery connected? I think they create this fake conflict to create drama for ratings. It was a great car, built by some of the best restorers around.
>
> ~Steve
>
>
>
>
>
> > > On Jun 14, 2018, at 4:25 AM, fubog1 via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
> >
> > Ver y cool to see the old Thunderbolt on the TV!
> > It brings back some good memories...
> > Glen
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Jackson via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net >
> > To: FOT < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net >
> > Sent: Wed, Jun 13, 2018 7:09 pm
> > Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt on TV!
> >
> > FOTers,
> >
> > If you have TV service that gets the Velocity channel, look for the episode of FantomWorks that aired a new episode last night.
> > It is episode number 57 and is titled "Busted Knuckle".
> >
> > Within the first 5 minutes you will be introduced to the very rare and famous TR powered Thunderbolt owned and raced by our very own Bob Wismer and Bill Dentinger. In fact, you will see one of his daughters and her husband that now own it. I've had the privilege of being on track with that voluptuous car many times over the years.
> >
> > Sandy wasnt here to watch it with me so I'm saving it for later today when we are both available.
> >
> > Mike Jackson - TR3
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From dlhogye at comcast.net Fri Jun 15 21:34:14 2018
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 20:34:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] PVGP Entry Lists
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<1640577952e-c8c-8889@webjas-vae175.srv.aolmail.net>
Seeing the entry list sure makes me wish I was going to be there with you all. This is very exciting. The venue looks amazing.
Dave H.
> On June 15, 2018 at 3:01 PM vfracing--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Here is the link
>
> http://www.pvgp.org/2018-historics-race-entries/
>
> vfracing at aol.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Jun 15, 2018 5:29 pm
> Subject: [Fot] PVGP Entry Lists
>
> Hey, if anyone sees that they have posted the entry list and car classifications for the PVGP please let us all know. I looked this am and could not find anything.
>
> I could not find a Triumph to race but did sort a 2 liter B Sedan thanks to John Hasty.
>
> Ken
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From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jun 15 20:49:58 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 22:49:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt on TV!
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Your take is pretty comman amongst the Tbolt Fold. I cut the FantomWorks Host some slack, thinking...that's just 'business'. His comments concerning the car as a race car seemed reasonably even handed. I do not think he favored the conversion. I was not put off by his comments on wiring or fuel lines. The car got a complete go-over between events. We never had a fire.
Bill
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On Friday, June 15, 2018, Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
I just watched the Fantom Works program that featured the T-Bolt.
It was great to see that car on TV and hear it run. I got pretty emotional when the family picture of Bob Wismer came on the TV.
I do need to say that the ?Star? of that program, the garage owner, is a complete jerk. (I?m being very polite. He?s a total douchebag!) They couldn?t figure out how to rebuild the gearbox? They were totally surprised and disappointed that the car did not have a TR3 chassis? Also, the electrical fire was obviously staged, who rewires the dash with the battery connected? I think they create this fake conflict to create drama for ratings. It was a great car, built by some of the best restorers around.
~Steve
On Jun 14, 2018, at 4:25 AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Very cool to see the old Thunderbolt on the TV!
It brings back some good memories...
Glen
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Jun 13, 2018 7:09 pm
Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt on TV!
FOTers,
If you have TV service that gets the Velocity channel, look for the episode of FantomWorks that aired a new episode last night.
It is episode number 57 and is titled "Busted Knuckle".
Within the first 5 minutes you will be introduced to the very rare and famous TR powered Thunderbolt owned and raced by our very own Bob Wismer and Bill Dentinger. In fact, you will see one of his daughters and her husband that now own it. I've had the privilege of being on track with that voluptuous car many times over the years.
Sandy wasnt here to watch it with me so I'm saving it for later today when we are both available.
Mike Jackson - TR3
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From fubog1 at aol.com Sat Jun 16 05:51:48 2018
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 07:51:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt on TV!
"repeatedly tests brakes after they work on them, by going really fast in a straight line then standing on the brake peddle and locking all four wheels for a very long skid."
As an ex-airdale (USN aviation related), I worked on a flight line crew, and I'm absolutely convinced that he was one of those pilots who had the habit of landing with the friggin' brakes on, causing much extra work for the plane captain and airframes shop...
Yeah that guy!
Glen
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To: Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>; Steven Belfer <steve at artwithcars.com>
Sent: Fri, Jun 15, 2018 11:36 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Thunderbolt on TV!
I caught the program the other night.
I totally agree with you Steve...douchebag!
It's the only T.V. hyped restoration shop that repeatedly tests brakes after they work on them, by going really fast in a straight line then standing on the brake peddle and locking all four wheels for a very long skid. If it were my car, I'd be very pissed and demand a new set of tires.
Total douchebags.
Thankfully, you have spelled douchebags correctly. Spellcheck didn't apply.
The other douchebag program is, speed is the new black. Capitals for the title should not apply. I don't know where they find these guys.
Lucky for them, there are many with deep pockets that don't know the difference.
Dave H.
Oops, I might be burning my Brats.
On June 15, 2018 at 5:47 PM Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
I just watched the Fantom Works program that featured the T-Bolt.
It was great to see that car on TV and hear it run. I got pretty emotional when the family picture of Bob Wismer came on the TV.
I do need to say that the ?Star? of that program, the garage owner, is a complete jerk. (I?m being very polite. He?s a total douchebag!) They couldn?t figure out how to rebuild the gearbox? They were totally surprised and disappointed that the car did not have a TR3 chassis? Also, the electrical fire was obviously staged, who rewires the dash with the battery connected? I think they create this fake conflict to create drama for ratings. It was a great car, built by some of the best restorers around.
~Steve
On Jun 14, 2018, at 4:25 AM, fubog1 via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Ver y cool to see the old Thunderbolt on the TV!
It brings back some good memories...
Glen
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To: FOT < fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Jun 13, 2018 7:09 pm
Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt on TV!
FOTers,
If you have TV service that gets the Velocity channel, look for the episode of FantomWorks that aired a new episode last night.
It is episode number 57 and is titled "Busted Knuckle".
Within the first 5 minutes you will be introduced to the very rare and famous TR powered Thunderbolt owned and raced by our very own Bob Wismer and Bill Dentinger. In fact, you will see one of his daughters and her husband that now own it. I've had the privilege of being on track with that voluptuous car many times over the years.
Sandy wasnt here to watch it with me so I'm saving it for later today when we are both available.
Mike Jackson - TR3
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Jun 17 07:25:48 2018
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 13:25:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Happy BD Thomas Strange!
I would like to interrupt our regularly scheduled programming to wish a very happy 70TH (!!) birthday to Mr. Thomas Strange. The Midwest Contingent of the FOT is poorer for Tom's having moved to the wilds of northern Vermont. Who else is puzzling out ways to build an oil pressure powered timing chain tensioner for the Spitfire? Nobody - that's who.
Go fast, take chances, Thomas!
Scott (B.)
Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
From billdentin at aol.com Sun Jun 17 18:42:03 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 20:42:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Happy BD Thomas Strange!
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70? That kid? I don?t think so!
Early 50s...maybe, but not 70.
Bill Dentinger
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I would like to interrupt our regularly scheduled programming to wish a very happy 70TH (!!) birthday to Mr. Thomas Strange. The Midwest Contingent of the FOT is poorer for Tom's having moved to the wilds of northern Vermont. Who else is puzzling out ways to build an oil pressure powered timing chain tensioner for the Spitfire? Nobody - that's who.
Go fast, take chances, Thomas!
Scott (B.)
Scott Barr
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Jun 18 05:30:25 2018
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 07:30:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Race Reports please
How did the Triumphs do at Mosport and Blackhawk Farms this past weekend?
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From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jun 18 19:08:42 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 21:08:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Race Reports please
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Have not heard from any Triumph racers who may have run the BLACKHAWK Classic, but Paul Fitzsimmons (VSCDA TECH) said the hot topic was the TBOLT TV show generated by those who had seen it. Those that hadn?t were seeking a way to find it. The Thunderbolt ran three or four events a year there for 11 years. It?s nice to be famous somewhere. Bill Dentinger
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How did the Triumphs do at Mosport and Blackhawk Farms this past weekend?
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From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jun 18 19:58:12 2018
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 20:58:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms race report
The Triumphs made a good showing at Blackhawk with 5 in attendance.? To
my knowledge, only one was beaten by equipment.
Bill's right, there was much discussion of the Thunderbolt at Tech and
afterwards.
The weekend was blazingly hot, mid 90's Sat and Sunday and close to 90
on Friday with very high humidity.
Triumphs that I know of that attended are myself (Tony Drews - TR4),
Alexanders (Sean and Brendan driving - TR4), Murphys (Ryan driving -
TR4), Paul Ricco (TR4) and Allen Washatko (sp?) (TR6 in a different
group than the 4's).? I don't know Allen's finishing positions - but his
car sounded sweet every time it went down the front straight.? The only
mechanical issue I know of is Alexander's car broke a nice aluminum fuel
fitting - he noticed fuel spray coming from the LEFT side of the hood -
it was spraying all the way from the carbs to the other side of the car.
Thankfully it got shut off promptly and fixed quickly.? Looking at the
results, Paul Ricco didn't run the last two races, so he had some sort
of malady.? Someone mentioned a front suspension issue but I'm not sure.
We had 3 "regular" races plus I signed up for the Dad's Day Scramble
pursuit race.? Plus we had two practice sessions and two qualifying
sessions.? First practice was wet track but no longer thunderstorming.?
Of the 9 cars that showed up on the grid, 4 were TR-4's.? :)
For the first race (Sat), I qualified 6th / finished 5th, Ryan qualified
and finished 7th, Paul qualified 10th / finished 12th, Sean qualified
25th / finished 15th.? 32 cars in the group.
Murphys and Ricco have made great progress with their cars and are a
looming threat to me in upcoming races - which is very welcome.?
Normally it's Sean and I with the epic duel, I look forward to more
Triumph player entering that game.
2nd race (Sat) we started in prior race finishing order.? I moved up to
3rd, Ryan to 5th, Paul didn't run (I heard something about taking front
suspension apart), Sean dropped back to 26th with the broken fuel line.
Sean and Brendan ran the Enduro.? Sean ran a few laps, Brendan did the
rest.? He came in a bit early thinking he was beginning to get
dehydrated - a very mature call for a 22 year old!
Sunday feature our pole-sitter didn't show so I started in 2nd /
finished in 3rd, Ryan started 4th / finished 5th (the fast car of Ron
Suave spun in the 2nd race and finished behind us - when he took his
rightful place he pushed us both down a spot), Sean started 25th /
finished 11th (!).? Starting on the front row is always cool.
We all had good battles throughout the weekend.? I had two races very
close to a Ford powered Elva Courier.? One of them he overcooked the
last turn on the last lap and I pulled him by half a car length on the
finish line.? That was an epic battle.
In the pursuit race, I was the only Triumph.? Of the 7 cars that stuck
around, I was gridded 6th (fastest at the back) and worked my way up to
4th.? One car got 1.5 laps head start on me, another had at least 2 laps
head start.? I passed them both but not enough times.? :)
Race videos will be forth-coming.
TRiumphantly, Tony Drews
From johnstydo at gmail.com Mon Jun 18 20:16:39 2018
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 22:16:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Race Reports please
References: <99715745702846A59E821D649E36B302@VlackTK121647>
?Hi Jerry, I was at the VARAC Vintage GP at Canadian Tire Motorsports Park
(Mosport) last weekend with about a dozen other TRs of various types (TR3,
4, 250, GT6s, Spits and a TR8) set up in the paddock. Weather was windy
at first but no rain and sunny weather great for racing. The spectators
turned out in force as well as the the largest number of registered racers
that VARAC has seen at this event. Brian Redman was the Grand Marshall and
took a few parade laps in an F5000 tribute car which he drove to his three
world championships back in the 70s. TRs ran in small and medium bore
groups that numbered nearly 60 each on the grid. The TR8 was placed in the
Classic G/78-G/98 group running with the later model cars. Mechanical
problems and some off-track activity sent a few of the TRs home early.
Several of the TR drivers were on the podium in their group. No MG-TR
race this year. The TR ghetto hosted the wings/ribs/pulled pork spot in
the paddock crawl that included an unlimited supply of Canadian Whistle
Stop Pilsner beer.
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:30 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net
> wrote:
> How did the Triumphs do at Mosport and Blackhawk Farms this past weekend?
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From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jun 18 20:30:24 2018
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 21:30:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk part 2
I failed to mention in my race report - I hosted the normal Beady Eye
Racing wine and cheese in the traditional Beady Eye garage. The next
door neighbor bought Bob Wismer's S2000 and knew Bob well.? They
competed on who brought the best the Bleu Cheese.? We had a toast to Bob
and Bill and times past.? God-speed Bob and we miss you at the track, Bill!
Tony Drews
From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Jun 18 22:29:05 2018
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 23:29:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms race report
References: <b0e74c45-f3d4-b4d4-750b-035d39ef990b@tonydrews.com>
Thanks for the detailed review of the Blackhawk weekend Tony. It was a hot one! My results are as follows:
Group 8 was combined with Group 6 (Mustang?s, Corvette and Jaguar XKE) and Group 8G70+ (David Swernoff?s BMW M3 and Jessica Johns?s BMW). Total of 25 cars.
For the first race Saturday, I qualified 6th overall. I finished 6th overall and 2nd in group behind a Sunbeam Tiger and ahead of the 5 Datsun Z cars.
The second race on Saturday had me gridded 6th finishing 5th overall and 2nd in class.
For Sunday?s feature race I was gridded 5th and finished 5th overall but dropped to a 3rd place group finish due to a sticky transmission. This was the only defeat by a Datsun Z car for the weekend.
A big thank you to my team - Richard and Dan Gehweiler for the fantastic car prep and support.
Allen
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> On Jun 18, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> The Triumphs made a good showing at Blackhawk with 5 in attendance. To my knowledge, only one was beaten by equipment.
>
> Bill's right, there was much discussion of the Thunderbolt at Tech and afterwards.
>
> The weekend was blazingly hot, mid 90's Sat and Sunday and close to 90 on Friday with very high humidity.
>
> Triumphs that I know of that attended are myself (Tony Drews - TR4), Alexanders (Sean and Brendan driving - TR4), Murphys (Ryan driving - TR4), Paul Ricco (TR4) and Allen Washatko (sp?) (TR6 in a different group than the 4's). I don't know Allen's finishing positions - but his car sounded sweet every time it went down the front straight. The only mechanical issue I know of is Alexander's car broke a nice aluminum fuel fitting - he noticed fuel spray coming from the LEFT side of the hood - it was spraying all the way from the carbs to the other side of the car. Thankfully it got shut off promptly and fixed quickly. Looking at the results, Paul Ricco didn't run the last two races, so he had some sort of malady. Someone mentioned a front suspension issue but I'm not sure.
>
> We had 3 "regular" races plus I signed up for the Dad's Day Scramble pursuit race. Plus we had two practice sessions and two qualifying sessions. First practice was wet track but no longer thunderstorming. Of the 9 cars that showed up on the grid, 4 were TR-4's. :)
>
> For the first race (Sat), I qualified 6th / finished 5th, Ryan qualified and finished 7th, Paul qualified 10th / finished 12th, Sean qualified 25th / finished 15th. 32 cars in the group.
>
> Murphys and Ricco have made great progress with their cars and are a looming threat to me in upcoming races - which is very welcome. Normally it's Sean and I with the epic duel, I look forward to more Triumph player entering that game.
>
> 2nd race (Sat) we started in prior race finishing order. I moved up to 3rd, Ryan to 5th, Paul didn't run (I heard something about taking front suspension apart), Sean dropped back to 26th with the broken fuel line.
>
> Sean and Brendan ran the Enduro. Sean ran a few laps, Brendan did the rest. He came in a bit early thinking he was beginning to get dehydrated - a very mature call for a 22 year old!
>
> Sunday feature our pole-sitter didn't show so I started in 2nd / finished in 3rd, Ryan started 4th / finished 5th (the fast car of Ron Suave spun in the 2nd race and finished behind us - when he took his rightful place he pushed us both down a spot), Sean started 25th / finished 11th (!). Starting on the front row is always cool.
>
> We all had good battles throughout the weekend. I had two races very close to a Ford powered Elva Courier. One of them he overcooked the last turn on the last lap and I pulled him by half a car length on the finish line. That was an epic battle.
>
> In the pursuit race, I was the only Triumph. Of the 7 cars that stuck around, I was gridded 6th (fastest at the back) and worked my way up to 4th. One car got 1.5 laps head start on me, another had at least 2 laps head start. I passed them both but not enough times. :)
>
> Race videos will be forth-coming.
>
> TRiumphantly, Tony Drews
>
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From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Jun 18 22:46:18 2018
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 23:46:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias
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Sam,
A very late but hardy ?Congrats? to you!
Allen
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> On Jun 4, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> AMEN! Congrats to Sam!
>
> But then, no surprise.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, Jun 3, 2018 8:33 pm
> Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias
>
> Congratulations to Sam on winning his class both days at the Mid Ohio SCCA Majors.
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From tr3a58 at verizon.net Tue Jun 19 07:35:45 2018
From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (Dean Tetterton)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:35:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk part 2
References: <c3a15774-0527-b9ae-bd6f-df9d104fb8d7@tonydrews.com>
Tony
Nice to hear you carried on the traditional Beady Eye wine & cheese party. My first trip to Road America for the Motrah event in 2007, I first met the Beady Eye Boys.
I was exposed to the great Mindoro Blue Cheese and have not been satisfied with any other since. I was led to the trough by Henry Frye and I have not been right since.
I feel as though I have been blessed by the Gods. Great memories and great times.
Keep up the tradition.
Dean
Dean Tetterton
tr3a58 at verizon.net
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From: Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Jun 18, 2018 11:59 pm
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk part 2
I failed to mention in my race report - I hosted the normal Beady Eye Racing wine and cheese in the traditional Beady Eye garage. The next door neighbor bought Bob Wismer's S2000 and knew Bob well. They competed on who brought the best the Bleu Cheese. We had a toast to Bob and Bill and times past. God-speed Bob and we miss you at the track, Bill!Tony Drews_______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58 at verizon.net
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From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jun 19 08:49:14 2018
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:49:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms race report
References: <b0e74c45-f3d4-b4d4-750b-035d39ef990b@tonydrews.com>
Correction - Paul Ricco DID make the Sunday feature race, so was NOT
beaten by equipment.? He started at the back and finished 14th.? Great
to see him going so well in Bob Wismer's old car.
Regards, Tony Drews
On 6/18/2018 8:58 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote:
> The Triumphs made a good showing at Blackhawk with 5 in attendance. To
> my knowledge, only one was beaten by equipment.
>
> Bill's right, there was much discussion of the Thunderbolt at Tech and
> afterwards.
>
> The weekend was blazingly hot, mid 90's Sat and Sunday and close to 90
> on Friday with very high humidity.
>
> Triumphs that I know of that attended are myself (Tony Drews - TR4),
> Alexanders (Sean and Brendan driving - TR4), Murphys (Ryan driving -
> TR4), Paul Ricco (TR4) and Allen Washatko (sp?) (TR6 in a different
> group than the 4's).? I don't know Allen's finishing positions - but
> his car sounded sweet every time it went down the front straight.? The
> only mechanical issue I know of is Alexander's car broke a nice
> aluminum fuel fitting - he noticed fuel spray coming from the LEFT
> side of the hood - it was spraying all the way from the carbs to the
> other side of the car. Thankfully it got shut off promptly and fixed
> quickly.? Looking at the results, Paul Ricco didn't run the last two
> races, so he had some sort of malady.? Someone mentioned a front
> suspension issue but I'm not sure.
>
> We had 3 "regular" races plus I signed up for the Dad's Day Scramble
> pursuit race.? Plus we had two practice sessions and two qualifying
> sessions.? First practice was wet track but no longer
> thunderstorming.? Of the 9 cars that showed up on the grid, 4 were
> TR-4's.? :)
>
> For the first race (Sat), I qualified 6th / finished 5th, Ryan
> qualified and finished 7th, Paul qualified 10th / finished 12th, Sean
> qualified 25th / finished 15th.? 32 cars in the group.
>
> Murphys and Ricco have made great progress with their cars and are a
> looming threat to me in upcoming races - which is very welcome.
> Normally it's Sean and I with the epic duel, I look forward to more
> Triumph player entering that game.
>
> 2nd race (Sat) we started in prior race finishing order.? I moved up
> to 3rd, Ryan to 5th, Paul didn't run (I heard something about taking
> front suspension apart), Sean dropped back to 26th with the broken
> fuel line.
>
> Sean and Brendan ran the Enduro.? Sean ran a few laps, Brendan did the
> rest.? He came in a bit early thinking he was beginning to get
> dehydrated - a very mature call for a 22 year old!
>
> Sunday feature our pole-sitter didn't show so I started in 2nd /
> finished in 3rd, Ryan started 4th / finished 5th (the fast car of Ron
> Suave spun in the 2nd race and finished behind us - when he took his
> rightful place he pushed us both down a spot), Sean started 25th /
> finished 11th (!).? Starting on the front row is always cool.
>
> We all had good battles throughout the weekend.? I had two races very
> close to a Ford powered Elva Courier.? One of them he overcooked the
> last turn on the last lap and I pulled him by half a car length on the
> finish line.? That was an epic battle.
>
> In the pursuit race, I was the only Triumph.? Of the 7 cars that stuck
> around, I was gridded 6th (fastest at the back) and worked my way up
> to 4th.? One car got 1.5 laps head start on me, another had at least 2
> laps head start.? I passed them both but not enough times.? :)
>
> Race videos will be forth-coming.
>
> TRiumphantly, Tony Drews
>
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From billdentin at aol.com Tue Jun 19 09:14:07 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 11:14:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk part 2
References: <c3a15774-0527-b9ae-bd6f-df9d104fb8d7@tonydrews.com>
I sure missed being there. I was closer than you think (St. Paul), at my grand daughter?s wedding. Bill Dentinger
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On Monday, June 18, 2018, Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
I failed to mention in my race report - I hosted the normal Beady Eye Racing wine and cheese in the traditional Beady Eye garage. The next door neighbor bought Bob Wismer's S2000 and knew Bob well. They competed on who brought the best the Bleu Cheese. We had a toast to Bob and Bill and times past. God-speed Bob and we miss you at the track, Bill! Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com
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From fmccjr at aol.com Tue Jun 19 09:15:18 2018
From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 11:15:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Race Reports please
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Hi folks,
I was one of the TRs with ?mechanical? problems who had to retire before the weekend was finished that John referred to. However, mine was totally self induced- the result of an ?oversteer ballet? exiting turn 10, which resulted in my car backing into the outside concrete wall just shy of the start finish line. I had just waved by a group of MUCH faster cars in turns 8+9 and was not on a very good line at turn 10. Too fast at entry, oversteer, correction, both feet in, bang. Ouch.
I won?t be joining you on the track in Pittsburgh, but I may come to watch the fun (once the soreness subsides..).
My trackside neighbors, including John and his wife, were a tremendous help this past weekend. They were a great comfort to a singleton racer far from home. Much appreciated.
Despite my difficulties, I enjoyed the weekend and met lots of terrific folks, both with Triumphs and without.
See you all in Pittsburgh!
Rick McCurdy
Newburgh, NY
TR3 #132 (slightly shorter than before...)
Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 18, 2018, at 10:16 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?Hi Jerry, I was at the VARAC Vintage GP at Canadian Tire Motorsports Park (Mosport) last weekend with about a dozen other TRs of various types (TR3, 4, 250, GT6s, Spits and a TR8) set up in the paddock. Weather was windy at first but no rain and sunny weather great for racing. The spectators turned out in force as well as the the largest number of registered racers that VARAC has seen at this event. Brian Redman was the Grand Marshall and took a few parade laps in an F5000 tribute car which he drove to his three world championships back in the 70s. TRs ran in small and medium bore groups that numbered nearly 60 each on the grid. The TR8 was placed in the Classic G/78-G/98 group running with the later model cars. Mechanical problems and some off-track activity sent a few of the TRs home early. Several of the TR drivers were on the podium in their group. No MG-TR race this year. The TR ghetto hosted the wings/ribs/pulled pork spot in the paddock crawl that included an unlimited supply of Canadian Whistle Stop Pilsner beer.
>
>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:30 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> How did the Triumphs do at Mosport and Blackhawk Farms this past weekend?
>>
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From billdentin at aol.com Tue Jun 19 09:20:58 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 11:20:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk part 2
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Part of the issue is MINDORO is a pretty small cheese maker, owned by SWISS VALLEY. Very limited supply. I always wondered why they do not expand, but I guess they know what they are doing. Our Don Brick was an officer and operations manager for Swiss Valley. Bill Dentinger
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On Tuesday, June 19, 2018, Dean Tetterton via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Tony
Nice to hear you carried on the traditional Beady Eye wine & cheese party. My first trip to Road America for the Motrah event in 2007, I first met the Beady Eye Boys.
I was exposed to the great Mindoro Blue Cheese and have not been satisfied with any other since. I was led to the trough by Henry Frye and I have not been right since.
I feel as though I have been blessed by the Gods. Great memories and great times.
Keep up the tradition.
Dean
Dean Tetterton
tr3a58 at verizon.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Jun 18, 2018 11:59 pm
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk part 2
I failed to mention in my race report - I hosted the normal Beady Eye Racing wine and cheese in the traditional Beady Eye garage. The next door neighbor bought Bob Wismer's S2000 and knew Bob well. They competed on who brought the best the Bleu Cheese. We had a toast to Bob and Bill and times past. God-speed Bob and we miss you at the track, Bill! Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58 at verizon.net
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jun 19 14:22:43 2018
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 16:22:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mosport Report (VARAC) Canadian Tire Motorsport Park
References: <99715745702846A59E821D649E36B302@VlackTK121647>
Well it was a weekend of high attrition for Triumphs!
The weather was picture perfect with the exception of high winds on
Wednesday and a bit on Thursday which eliminated the desire to erect
canopies and open awnings on motorhomes. Temperatures were in the mid
seventies and low eighties with a pleasant breeze.
Henry Frye and his lightening fast TR-250 is out for the season after his
surgery. Mark Wheatley checked on a "noise" in his TR-4 and discovered his
valves were engaging his liners. The "builder" hadn't cut eyebrows for
clearance and whoever last decked the block had it just about a polished
surface and a coolant leak was also observed. So Mark was on the trailer
after the practice day session. Leo Oddi (TR-250) put a window in his block
when rod #5(I think) cut loose! So he was on the trailer. Another TR-3, that
of Rick McCurdy was put into the wall in turn 10 so he was out of it. There
were a handful that had registered and were no shows. There were four
Spitfires, Marty Sukey had never been there before so he was learning the
course and had a minor mechanical issue or two but his speed was picking up.
My engine is suffering and down on power which I knew and the three other
Spitfires had a good very close run where there was less than a second
separating us. Donny Sopp was in the lead at the checker.
Brian Scharano (GT-6) was suffering with a problematic clutch master. I had
him use engine oil in it realizing the higher viscosity would allow him to
at least finish his day, which it did. He was running well otherwise and
completed his sessions. Bill Rampe's Spitfire developed a miss after some
quick runs and he went on the trailer. There was a TR-8 somewhere out there
but we never saw him; also another GT-6. Dean Tetterton didn't make it with
his TR-4 unfortunately. It's always a pleasure talking with Dean. A true
southern gentleman.
John Styduhar was awarded the Group 44Inc Trophy at the Saturday night
banquet based on speed, preparation, willingness to assist other racers, and
car handling. Congrats to John. Well done!
There were over sixty cars in both the small and large bore Vintage grids to
start with which made things pretty hectic and getting everyone lined up in
order was tedious and saw most of us stopped on an uphill as we waited and
inched closer to the grid. Rough on clutches for sure! To further complicate
the lining up were a few vehicles blocking access. Sunday in the midst of
"the wait" one of the cars burst into flames as it sat in very close
proximity to the fueling station. (3 1000 gallon tanks) The car got toasted
a bit but the driver got out okay. Could have been far worse. Never a dull
moment.
On Saturday there was a fatality in the F-5000 group and the entire track
was shut down for the investigation to take place. All later sessions were
cancelled for that day as RCMP took over the corner which protocol mandates
it be investigated as a crime scene. I spoke with Chris Myers, the head MG
guy and we both agreed to drop the Triumph MG Challenge race to allow VARAC
to try to get sessions in for all. It seemed the right thing to do in light
of the circumstances.
The last session for vintage small bore was scheduled for Sunday at 4:30 and
there were 9 cars that went out, I was not one of them nor were there any
other Triumphs and I don't recall any MG's either. All in all it was a good
event for seeing old friends and some new ones but not for long as the
attrition caused departures.
It's still my favorite event and the Friday paddock "crawl" was great and
our hosts were gracious as always. Live bands on Friday and Saturday nights.
The "wings; ribs; pulled pork and beer" stop was strategically located next
to the Triumph paddock which was convenient. There were also a dozen or more
types of subs at one of the other "stops" and of course beer.
Even though I was down considerably on power I had a good time and it's
always great spending times with friends. We stayed in the paddock Sunday
night and departed on Monday morning.
I couldn't help thinking of Jeff Green's wife who was there and saw the
incident that killed her husband.
I know the hazard is always there but something like this really brings it
to the front.
Russ Moore
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack
via Fot
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 7:30 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Race Reports please
How did the Triumphs do at Mosport and Blackhawk Farms this past weekend?
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From billdentin at aol.com Tue Jun 19 14:58:38 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 16:58:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE: Blackhawk part 2
References: <16419d3f22b-c8e-9681@webjas-vad057.srv.aolmail.net>
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On Tuesday, June 19, 2018, billdentin at aol.com <billdentin at aol.com> wrote:
There were times when Swiss Valley had taken cheese to competition contests in Europe (Paris, Berlin, etc.), where it would win ribbons. Then parts of those Championship Cheese Wheels would end up at our Wine & Cheese Parties. Bob?s wine, Don?s cheese, and Harold Baker?s BBQ?d meat balls made those events legend.Bill Dentinger
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On Tuesday, June 19, 2018, Spitfire Racing <spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com> wrote:
And that sharp yellow cheddar he would bring was to die for! I miss those wine and cheese events.
Russ
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Dentinger via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:21 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Blackhawk part 2
Part of the issue is MINDORO is a pretty small cheese maker, owned by SWISS VALLEY. Very limited supply. I always wondered why they do not expand, but I guess they know what they are doing. Our Don Brick was an officer and operations manager for Swiss Valley. Bill Dentinger
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On Tuesday, June 19, 2018, Dean Tetterton via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Tony
Nice to hear you carried on the traditional Beady Eye wine & cheese party. My first trip to Road America for the Motrah event in 2007, I first met the Beady Eye Boys.
I was exposed to the great Mindoro Blue Cheese and have not been satisfied with any other since. I was led to the trough by Henry Frye and I have not been right since.
I feel as though I have been blessed by the Gods. Great memories and great times.
Keep up the tradition.
Dean
Dean Tetterton
tr3a58 at verizon.net
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From: Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Jun 18, 2018 11:59 pm
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk part 2
I failed to mention in my race report - I hosted the normal Beady Eye Racing wine and cheese in the traditional Beady Eye garage. The next door neighbor bought Bob Wismer's S2000 and knew Bob well. They competed on who brought the best the Bleu Cheese. We had a toast to Bob and Bill and times past. God-speed Bob and we miss you at the track, Bill! Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58 at verizon.net
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From timmmurphh at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 15:19:40 2018
From: timmmurphh at gmail.com (timmmurphh at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 16:19:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tire supplier at Kcup
I had an early e-mail saying that Royale Tires would be at the Kcup and then
a later e-mail (that I can't find) saying a different supplier would be
there, I think SASCO. Will they both be there of just one, and if so, which
one. I'd like to order some tires to be delivered at the track for the
Kcup.
Thanks,
Tim Murphy
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From billdentin at aol.com Tue Jun 19 15:54:38 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 17:54:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mosport Report (VARAC) Canadian Tire Motorsport Park
References: <003301d4080b$4969f410$dc3ddc30$@rr.com>
I am unaware of Henry?s surgery. What was the issue? Bill
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
On Tuesday, June 19, 2018, Spitfire Racing via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Well it was a weekend of high attrition for Triumphs!
The weather was picture perfect with the exception of high winds on Wednesday and a bit on Thursday which eliminated the desire to erect canopies and open awnings on motorhomes. Temperatures were in the mid seventies and low eighties with a pleasant breeze.
Henry Frye and his lightening fast TR-250 is out for the season after his surgery. Mark Wheatley checked on a ?noise? in his TR-4 and discovered his valves were engaging his liners. The ?builder? hadn?t cut eyebrows for clearance and whoever last decked the block had it just about a polished surface and a coolant leak was also observed. So Mark was on the trailer after the practice day session. Leo Oddi (TR-250) put a window in his block when rod #5(I think) cut loose! So he was on the trailer. Another TR-3, that of Rick McCurdy was put into the wall in turn 10 so he was out of it. There were a handful that had registered and were no shows. There were four Spitfires, Marty Sukey had never been there before so he was learning the course and had a minor mechanical issue or two but his speed was picking up. My engine is suffering and down on power which I knew and the three other Spitfires had a good very close run where there was less than a second separating us. Donny Sopp was in the lead at the checker.
Brian Scharano (GT-6) was suffering with a problematic clutch master. I had him use engine oil in it realizing the higher viscosity would allow him to at least finish his day, which it did. He was running well otherwise and completed his sessions. Bill Rampe?s Spitfire developed a miss after some quick runs and he went on the trailer. There was a TR-8 somewhere out there but we never saw him; also another GT-6. Dean Tetterton didn?t make it with his TR-4 unfortunately. It?s always a pleasure talking with Dean. A true southern gentleman.
John Styduhar was awarded the Group 44Inc Trophy at the Saturday night banquet based on speed, preparation, willingness to assist other racers, and car handling. Congrats to John. Well done!
There were over sixty cars in both the small and large bore Vintage grids to start with which made things pretty hectic and getting everyone lined up in order was tedious and saw most of us stopped on an uphill as we waited and inched closer to the grid. Rough on clutches for sure! To further complicate the lining up were a few vehicles blocking access. Sunday in the midst of ?the wait? one of the cars burst into flames as it sat in very close proximity to the fueling station. (3 1000 gallon tanks) The car got toasted a bit but the driver got out okay. Could have been far worse. Never a dull moment.
On Saturday there was a fatality in the F-5000 group and the entire track was shut down for the investigation to take place. All later sessions were cancelled for that day as RCMP took over the corner which protocol mandates it be investigated as a crime scene. I spoke with Chris Myers, the head MG guy and we both agreed to drop the Triumph MG Challenge race to allow VARAC to try to get sessions in for all. It seemed the right thing to do in light of the circumstances.
The last session for vintage small bore was scheduled for Sunday at 4:30 and there were 9 cars that went out, I was not one of them nor were there any other Triumphs and I don?t recall any MG?s either. All in all it was a good event for seeing old friends and some new ones but not for long as the attrition caused departures.
It?s still my favorite event and the Friday paddock ?crawl? was great and our hosts were gracious as always. Live bands on Friday and Saturday nights.
The ?wings; ribs; pulled pork and beer? stop was strategically located next to the Triumph paddock which was convenient. There were also a dozen or more types of subs at one of the other ?stops? and of course beer.
Even though I was down considerably on power I had a good time and it?s always great spending times with friends. We stayed in the paddock Sunday night and departed on Monday morning.
I couldn?t help thinking of Jeff Green?s wife who was there and saw the incident that killed her husband.
I know the hazard is always there but something like this really brings it to the front.
Russ Moore
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack via Fot
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 7:30 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Race Reports please
How did the Triumphs do at Mosport and Blackhawk Farms this past weekend?
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From timmmurphh at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 15:54:45 2018
From: timmmurphh at gmail.com (timmmurphh at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 16:54:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms race report
References: <b0e74c45-f3d4-b4d4-750b-035d39ef990b@tonydrews.com>
The times were pretty close between Ryan and Tony, about 0.8 seconds difference in their average best times for the 6 dry sessions and about 1 sec difference in their overall best times. It seemed every time Ryan would go a bit quicker, Tony would go that bit quicker also. Due to traffic Tony was always out of reach of Ryan but it was fun looking at the times. Ryan's race craft is getting better and with the next engine upgrade maybe we can find that second at Blackhawk. The car ran great, no problems what so ever. Now that we are properly venting the crankcase and not blowing oil out seals and gaskets, we don't even use any oil. It still leaks when stationary a bit, so we are still able to mark our Triumph territory with oil spots!
Murphy's Law Racing
Tim Murphy
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 8:58 PM
To: Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms race report
The Triumphs made a good showing at Blackhawk with 5 in attendance. To my knowledge, only one was beaten by equipment.
Bill's right, there was much discussion of the Thunderbolt at Tech and afterwards.
The weekend was blazingly hot, mid 90's Sat and Sunday and close to 90 on Friday with very high humidity.
Triumphs that I know of that attended are myself (Tony Drews - TR4), Alexanders (Sean and Brendan driving - TR4), Murphys (Ryan driving - TR4), Paul Ricco (TR4) and Allen Washatko (sp?) (TR6 in a different group than the 4's). I don't know Allen's finishing positions - but his car sounded sweet every time it went down the front straight. The only mechanical issue I know of is Alexander's car broke a nice aluminum fuel fitting - he noticed fuel spray coming from the LEFT side of the hood - it was spraying all the way from the carbs to the other side of the car.
Thankfully it got shut off promptly and fixed quickly. Looking at the results, Paul Ricco didn't run the last two races, so he had some sort of malady. Someone mentioned a front suspension issue but I'm not sure.
We had 3 "regular" races plus I signed up for the Dad's Day Scramble pursuit race. Plus we had two practice sessions and two qualifying sessions. First practice was wet track but no longer thunderstorming. Of the 9 cars that showed up on the grid, 4 were TR-4's. :)
For the first race (Sat), I qualified 6th / finished 5th, Ryan qualified and finished 7th, Paul qualified 10th / finished 12th, Sean qualified 25th / finished 15th. 32 cars in the group.
Murphys and Ricco have made great progress with their cars and are a looming threat to me in upcoming races - which is very welcome. Normally it's Sean and I with the epic duel, I look forward to more Triumph player entering that game.
2nd race (Sat) we started in prior race finishing order. I moved up to 3rd, Ryan to 5th, Paul didn't run (I heard something about taking front suspension apart), Sean dropped back to 26th with the broken fuel line.
Sean and Brendan ran the Enduro. Sean ran a few laps, Brendan did the rest. He came in a bit early thinking he was beginning to get dehydrated - a very mature call for a 22 year old!
Sunday feature our pole-sitter didn't show so I started in 2nd / finished in 3rd, Ryan started 4th / finished 5th (the fast car of Ron Suave spun in the 2nd race and finished behind us - when he took his rightful place he pushed us both down a spot), Sean started 25th / finished 11th (!). Starting on the front row is always cool.
We all had good battles throughout the weekend. I had two races very close to a Ford powered Elva Courier. One of them he overcooked the last turn on the last lap and I pulled him by half a car length on the finish line. That was an epic battle.
In the pursuit race, I was the only Triumph. Of the 7 cars that stuck around, I was gridded 6th (fastest at the back) and worked my way up to 4th. One car got 1.5 laps head start on me, another had at least 2 laps head start. I passed them both but not enough times. :)
Race videos will be forth-coming.
TRiumphantly, Tony Drews
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From sjanzen at me.com Tue Jun 19 16:33:46 2018
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 18:33:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tire supplier at Kcup
References: <000001d40813$41fd57f0$c5f807d0$@gmail.com>
sasco, definitely. I ordered some tires from them for delivery/installation there. Great outfit to work with.
On Jun 19, 2018, at 5:19 PM, timmmurphh--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
I had an early e-mail saying that Royale Tires would be at the Kcup and then a later e-mail (that I can?t find) saying a different supplier would be there, I think SASCO. Will they both be there of just one, and if so, which one. I?d like to order some tires to be delivered at the track for the Kcup.
Thanks,
Tim Murphy
TR4 #317
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Jun 19 18:31:24 2018
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 20:31:24 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Fot] Tire support from Sasco at PittRace
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 19 18:47:52 2018
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:47:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mosport Report (VARAC) Canadian Tire Motorsport Park
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Russ! - A glowing report.
Sounds like Canada won the war.
And what about that Mark Wheatley? Isn't he a Kastner Kup winner - I thought that building your own engine was one of the criteria when being considered for that trophy.
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From: "Spitfire Racing via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: ?6/?19/?2018 4:33 PM
To: "'Jerry Van Vlack'" <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Mosport Report (VARAC) Canadian Tire Motorsport Park
Well it was a weekend of high attrition for Triumphs!
The weather was picture perfect with the exception of high winds on Wednesday and a bit on Thursday which eliminated the desire to erect canopies and open awnings on motorhomes. Temperatures were in the mid seventies and low eighties with a pleasant breeze.
Henry Frye and his lightening fast TR-250 is out for the season after his surgery. Mark Wheatley checked on a ?noise? in his TR-4 and discovered his valves were engaging his liners. The ?builder? hadn?t cut eyebrows for clearance and whoever last decked the block had it just about a polished surface and a coolant leak was also observed. So Mark was on the trailer after the practice day session. Leo Oddi (TR-250) put a window in his block when rod #5(I think) cut loose! So he was on the trailer. Another TR-3, that of Rick McCurdy was put into the wall in turn 10 so he was out of it. There were a handful that had registered and were no shows. There were four Spitfires, Marty Sukey had never been there before so he was learning the course and had a minor mechanical issue or two but his speed was picking up. My engine is suffering and down on power which I knew and the three other Spitfires had a good very close run where there was less than a second separating us. Donny Sopp was in the lead at the checker.
Brian Scharano (GT-6) was suffering with a problematic clutch master. I had him use engine oil in it realizing the higher viscosity would allow him to at least finish his day, which it did. He was running well otherwise and completed his sessions. Bill Rampe?s Spitfire developed a miss after some quick runs and he went on the trailer. There was a TR-8 somewhere out there but we never saw him; also another GT-6. Dean Tetterton didn?t make it with his TR-4 unfortunately. It?s always a pleasure talking with Dean. A true southern gentleman.
John Styduhar was awarded the Group 44Inc Trophy at the Saturday night banquet based on speed, preparation, willingness to assist other racers, and car handling. Congrats to John. Well done!
There were over sixty cars in both the small and large bore Vintage grids to start with which made things pretty hectic and getting everyone lined up in order was tedious and saw most of us stopped on an uphill as we waited and inched closer to the grid. Rough on clutches for sure! To further complicate the lining up were a few vehicles blocking access. Sunday in the midst of ?the wait? one of the cars burst into flames as it sat in very close proximity to the fueling station. (3 1000 gallon tanks) The car got toasted a bit but the driver got out okay. Could have been far worse. Never a dull moment.
On Saturday there was a fatality in the F-5000 group and the entire track was shut down for the investigation to take place. All later sessions were cancelled for that day as RCMP took over the corner which protocol mandates it be investigated as a crime scene. I spoke with Chris Myers, the head MG guy and we both agreed to drop the Triumph MG Challenge race to allow VARAC to try to get sessions in for all. It seemed the right thing to do in light of the circumstances.
The last session for vintage small bore was scheduled for Sunday at 4:30 and there were 9 cars that went out, I was not one of them nor were there any other Triumphs and I don?t recall any MG?s either. All in all it was a good event for seeing old friends and some new ones but not for long as the attrition caused departures.
It?s still my favorite event and the Friday paddock ?crawl? was great and our hosts were gracious as always. Live bands on Friday and Saturday nights.
The ?wings; ribs; pulled pork and beer? stop was strategically located next to the Triumph paddock which was convenient. There were also a dozen or more types of subs at one of the other ?stops? and of course beer.
Even though I was down considerably on power I had a good time and it?s always great spending times with friends. We stayed in the paddock Sunday night and departed on Monday morning.
I couldn?t help thinking of Jeff Green?s wife who was there and saw the incident that killed her husband.
I know the hazard is always there but something like this really brings it to the front.
Russ Moore
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack via Fot
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To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Race Reports please
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From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 21:09:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mosport Report (VARAC) Canadian Tire Motorsport Park
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?If I remember correctly, Henry had surgery in his upper arm to repair a
tendon.?
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:54 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:
> I am unaware of Henry?s surgery. What was the issue? Bill
>
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
> On Tuesday, June 19, 2018, Spitfire Racing via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Well it was a weekend of high attrition for Triumphs!
>
> The weather was picture perfect with the exception of high winds on
> Wednesday and a bit on Thursday which eliminated the desire to erect
> canopies and open awnings on motorhomes. Temperatures were in the mid
> seventies and low eighties with a pleasant breeze.
>
>
>
> Henry Frye and his lightening fast TR-250 is out for the season after his
> surgery. Mark Wheatley checked on a ?noise? in his TR-4 and discovered his
> valves were engaging his liners. The ?builder? hadn?t cut eyebrows for
> clearance and whoever last decked the block had it just about a polished
> surface and a coolant leak was also observed. So Mark was on the trailer
> after the practice day session. Leo Oddi (TR-250) put a window in his block
> when rod #5(I think) cut loose! So he was on the trailer. Another TR-3,
> that of Rick McCurdy was put into the wall in turn 10 so he was out of it.
> There were a handful that had registered and were no shows. There were four
> Spitfires, Marty Sukey had never been there before so he was learning the
> course and had a minor mechanical issue or two but his speed was picking
> up. My engine is suffering and down on power which I knew and the three
> other Spitfires had a good very close run where there was less than a
> second separating us. Donny Sopp was in the lead at the checker.
>
> Brian Scharano (GT-6) was suffering with a problematic clutch master. I
> had him use engine oil in it realizing the higher viscosity would allow him
> to at least finish his day, which it did. He was running well otherwise and
> completed his sessions. Bill Rampe?s Spitfire developed a miss after some
> quick runs and he went on the trailer. There was a TR-8 somewhere out there
> but we never saw him; also another GT-6. Dean Tetterton didn?t make it with
> his TR-4 unfortunately. It?s always a pleasure talking with Dean. A true
> southern gentleman.
>
>
>
> John Styduhar was awarded the Group 44Inc Trophy at the Saturday night
> banquet based on speed, preparation, willingness to assist other racers,
> and car handling. Congrats to John. Well done!
>
>
>
> There were over sixty cars in both the small and large bore Vintage grids
> to start with which made things pretty hectic and getting everyone lined up
> in order was tedious and saw most of us stopped on an uphill as we waited
> and inched closer to the grid. Rough on clutches for sure! To further
> complicate the lining up were a few vehicles blocking access. Sunday in the
> midst of ?the wait? one of the cars burst into flames as it sat in very
> close proximity to the fueling station. (3 1000 gallon tanks) The car got
> toasted a bit but the driver got out okay. Could have been far worse. Never
> a dull moment.
>
>
>
> On Saturday there was a fatality in the F-5000 group and the entire track
> was shut down for the investigation to take place. All later sessions were
> cancelled for that day as RCMP took over the corner which protocol mandates
> it be investigated as a crime scene. I spoke with Chris Myers, the head MG
> guy and we both agreed to drop the Triumph MG Challenge race to allow VARAC
> to try to get sessions in for all. It seemed the right thing to do in light
> of the circumstances.
>
>
>
> The last session for vintage small bore was scheduled for Sunday at 4:30
> and there were 9 cars that went out, I was not one of them nor were there
> any other Triumphs and I don?t recall any MG?s either. All in all it was a
> good event for seeing old friends and some new ones but not for long as the
> attrition caused departures.
>
>
>
> It?s still my favorite event and the Friday paddock ?crawl? was great and
> our hosts were gracious as always. Live bands on Friday and Saturday nights.
>
> The ?wings; ribs; pulled pork and beer? stop was strategically located
> next to the Triumph paddock which was convenient. There were also a dozen
> or more types of subs at one of the other ?stops? and of course beer.
>
> Even though I was down considerably on power I had a good time and it?s
> always great spending times with friends. We stayed in the paddock Sunday
> night and departed on Monday morning.
>
>
>
> I couldn?t help thinking of Jeff Green?s wife who was there and saw the
> incident that killed her husband.
>
> I know the hazard is always there but something like this really brings it
> to the front.
>
>
>
>
>
> Russ Moore
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Van
> Vlack via Fot
> *Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2018 7:30 AM
> *To:* FOT
> *Subject:* [Fot] Race Reports please
>
>
>
> How did the Triumphs do at Mosport and Blackhawk Farms this past weekend?
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jun 19 19:16:19 2018
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 21:16:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mosport Report (VARAC) Canadian Tire Motorsport Park
References: <99715745702846A59E821D649E36B302@VlackTK121647>
<003301d4080b$4969f410$dc3ddc30$@rr.com>
<20180620005215.VIYQ31363.dnvrco-fep11.email.rr.com@dnvrco-cmimta26>
I wasn?t aware of any war??????.to what are you referring?
That was never a criteria. Bob and I initiated it so I should know????????.
russ
From: Dennis DeLap [mailto:yellow-green at sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 8:48 PM
To: Spitfire Racing; 'Jerry Van Vlack'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] Mosport Report (VARAC) Canadian Tire Motorsport Park
Russ! - A glowing report.
Sounds like Canada won the war.
And what about that Mark Wheatley? Isn't he a Kastner Kup winner - I thought that building your own engine was one of the criteria when being considered for that trophy.
_____
Sent: ?6/?19/?2018 4:33 PM
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Mosport Report (VARAC) Canadian Tire Motorsport Park
Well it was a weekend of high attrition for Triumphs!
The weather was picture perfect with the exception of high winds on Wednesday and a bit on Thursday which eliminated the desire to erect canopies and open awnings on motorhomes. Temperatures were in the mid seventies and low eighties with a pleasant breeze.
Henry Frye and his lightening fast TR-250 is out for the season after his surgery. Mark Wheatley checked on a ?noise? in his TR-4 and discovered his valves were engaging his liners. The ?builder? hadn?t cut eyebrows for clearance and whoever last decked the block had it just about a polished surface and a coolant leak was also observed. So Mark was on the trailer after the practice day session. Leo Oddi (TR-250) put a window in his block when rod #5(I think) cut loose! So he was on the trailer. Another TR-3, that of Rick McCurdy was put into the wall in turn 10 so he was out of it. There were a handful that had registered and were no shows. There were four Spitfires, Marty Sukey had never been there before so he was learning the course and had a minor mechanical issue or two but his speed was picking up. My engine is suffering and down on power which I knew and the three other Spitfires had a good very close run where there was less than a second separating us. Donny Sopp was in the lead at the checker.
Brian Scharano (GT-6) was suffering with a problematic clutch master. I had him use engine oil in it realizing the higher viscosity would allow him to at least finish his day, which it did. He was running well otherwise and completed his sessions. Bill Rampe?s Spitfire developed a miss after some quick runs and he went on the trailer. There was a TR-8 somewhere out there but we never saw him; also another GT-6. Dean Tetterton didn?t make it with his TR-4 unfortunately. It?s always a pleasure talking with Dean. A true southern gentleman.
John Styduhar was awarded the Group 44Inc Trophy at the Saturday night banquet based on speed, preparation, willingness to assist other racers, and car handling. Congrats to John. Well done!
There were over sixty cars in both the small and large bore Vintage grids to start with which made things pretty hectic and getting everyone lined up in order was tedious and saw most of us stopped on an uphill as we waited and inched closer to the grid. Rough on clutches for sure! To further complicate the lining up were a few vehicles blocking access. Sunday in the midst of ?the wait? one of the cars burst into flames as it sat in very close proximity to the fueling station. (3 1000 gallon tanks) The car got toasted a bit but the driver got out okay. Could have been far worse. Never a dull moment.
On Saturday there was a fatality in the F-5000 group and the entire track was shut down for the investigation to take place. All later sessions were cancelled for that day as RCMP took over the corner which protocol mandates it be investigated as a crime scene. I spoke with Chris Myers, the head MG guy and we both agreed to drop the Triumph MG Challenge race to allow VARAC to try to get sessions in for all. It seemed the right thing to do in light of the circumstances.
The last session for vintage small bore was scheduled for Sunday at 4:30 and there were 9 cars that went out, I was not one of them nor were there any other Triumphs and I don?t recall any MG?s either. All in all it was a good event for seeing old friends and some new ones but not for long as the attrition caused departures.
It?s still my favorite event and the Friday paddock ?crawl? was great and our hosts were gracious as always. Live bands on Friday and Saturday nights.
The ?wings; ribs; pulled pork and beer? stop was strategically located next to the Triumph paddock which was convenient. There were also a dozen or more types of subs at one of the other ?stops? and of course beer.
Even though I was down considerably on power I had a good time and it?s always great spending times with friends. We stayed in the paddock Sunday night and departed on Monday morning.
I couldn?t help thinking of Jeff Green?s wife who was there and saw the incident that killed her husband.
I know the hazard is always there but something like this really brings it to the front.
Russ Moore
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack via Fot
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 7:30 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Race Reports please
How did the Triumphs do at Mosport and Blackhawk Farms this past weekend?
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Tue Jun 19 20:22:02 2018
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 22:22:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mosport Report (VARAC) Canadian Tire Motorsport Park
References: <003301d4080b$4969f410$dc3ddc30$@rr.com>
<1641a0adb69-c95-9a33@webjas-vad230.srv.aolmail.net>
Tore a tendon in my arm, surgery was a couple weeks ago, recovery time
is 6 months before I get to lift unrestricted weight. Needless to say
I'm off track for a while, I am hoping to sneak in a fall event, we'll
see.
It's going to be a long summer...
From billdentin at aol.com Tue Jun 19 20:34:11 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 22:34:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mosport Report (VARAC) Canadian Tire Motorsport Park
References: <1f423fb20986627aa7f0ea1ae6053f71@tr4racer.com>
See! When I told that story, I?d have said, ?And I have to sit down to go to the bathroom!?
Bill
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
On Tuesday, June 19, 2018, yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com> wrote:
Tore a tendon in my arm, surgery was a couple weeks ago, recovery time
is 6 months before I get to lift unrestricted weight. Needless to say
I'm off track for a while, I am hoping to sneak in a fall event, we'll
see.
It's going to be a long summer...
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From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Jun 19 20:57:06 2018
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 21:57:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Driver Census
FOT,
Would anyone want to venture a guess as to how many drivers there are in the USA who actually race: vintage organizations, SCCA, Indy, NASCAR, IMSA, amateur, professional, etc. Not track day, autocross, etc. I?m interested in calculating the percentage of the population that participated in our world. I would guess that it is a tiny fraction.
Allen
Sent from my iPhone
From billdentin at aol.com Tue Jun 19 21:12:00 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 23:12:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tire support from Sasco at PittRace
References: <455619870.13194.1529454684754@wamui-moana.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Don?t you wish we could all just get along? Maybe wear a ribbon or a lapel pin or some thing to promote our position... Life is short. I?m almost through. Bill Dentinger
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
On Tuesday, June 19, 2018, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
FOT,
Due to a tiff between dealers, Sasco will not be in attendance at PittRace in July.
You can order from them for shipping or contact another Hoosier dealer.
Mike Jackson - TR3
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Jun 20 05:04:33 2018
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 07:04:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup
Racers attending the Kastner Cup.
I?m in need of 4 or 5 Crew Passes for WPTA Hosts. Certainly willing to pay as extra crew, just need to be able to attend multiple days.
Hope I can find some help.
Thanks,
JVV
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From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Jun 20 05:06:03 2018
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 11:06:03 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Driver Census
References: <B7EADCD3-1D00-410C-8FD4-8E43D6B0FB00@wi.rr.com>
While I don?t have any numbers, you are quite correct.
Once, long ago some of my SCCA buddies and I had a conversation with an engineer from Ford at one of our regional meetings. My question to him was, why not put BIG disc brakes on the Mustang?
He said that less than 2% of owners take part in any organized competitive events, hence there is no incentive to tailor the Mustang to ?our? (enthusiast) market. Of course there are now very good Mustang models out there, but his assertion still rings true.
I?d say that less than two percent of all car owners take part in ANY organized competitive events of any kind, so racing would be a tiny subset of that 2%.
Terry Stetler
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________________________________
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Allen Washatko via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:57:06 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Driver Census
FOT,
Would anyone want to venture a guess as to how many drivers there are in the USA who actually race: vintage organizations, SCCA, Indy, NASCAR, IMSA, amateur, professional, etc. Not track day, autocross, etc. I?m interested in calculating the percentage of the population that participated in our world. I would guess that it is a tiny fraction.
Allen
Sent from my iPhone
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From burtstein at gmemusic.com Wed Jun 20 05:24:16 2018
From: burtstein at gmemusic.com (Burt Stein)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 06:24:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kevin Lynch's GT6
References: <A2EFD487-EA8C-4E6E-B2E9-203DC88614CA@gmemusic.com>
<FBB668EE-FDCB-4352-9BCA-33FBE1848B52@multivintage.com>
<6b85a753-c056-441c-8b3d-b88d2f97e0eb@tr4racer.com>
<1973569237.2821239.1468435966138.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Bobby,
I'm happy to report that Kevin's GT-6 is up and running again. We just successfully completed running with SVRA at Indy. It was a blast. The car is competitive. Your advice was spot on. Thank you.
Kind regards,
Burt
Burt Stein
Gold Mountain Entertainment
11 Music Square East
Suite 103
Nashville, TN 37203
615-255-9000
615-255-9001 fax
On Jul 13, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net> wrote:
> Although I did not see Kevin's car in person, he helped me with my GT6 on a few issues specifically body roll... he recommended a certain set of Eibach springs and they were an instant fix. I would bet the car is well prepared as is, other than a fluid change and nut and bolt inspection and wheels and tire condition I bet you would be , dare I say, ready to race... Some vintage organizations do not allow the Weber conversion, like the club I belong to with CVAR...not sure you would get a whole big bang out of your bucks even if you did convert. I've seen Jason's cars at Road Atlanta a few years ago and heck, they were running Strombergs which have known to be in some groups less than optimum. When I purchased my GT6 9 years ago it had the SU conversion which worked very well...I later upgraded to Mikunis as my car has about 150hp and I loved the fine tuning capabilities and simplicity of the Mikunis,,,,BUT.... some of my improvements came later after I began to learn how to drive the GT6....sometimes these cars are called momentum cars because there really not high horsepower and there is no neck snappin acceleration, in general... we just try to get up to speed and maintain that momentum through the race... the best part of this experience is door to door bumper to bumper with 30-40-50 of your closes friends... that's been my experience.... I have some in car video of my GT6 on my youtube page.... Bobby Whitehead .... some of my 65 Mustang and a few in my GTA car... enjoy, be safe, and have fun...
>
> Bobby Whitehead
> Jesters Racing (FB)
> 1970 DP Triumph GT-6+
> 1965 AS Ford Mustang
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 11:26 PM, Yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com> wrote:
>
>
> Listen to Jason... he is spot on.
>
> Learn to drive (and maintain) the car, worry about "enhancements" later.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason Ostrowski
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kevin Lynch's GT6
> >
> > Greetings Burt.
>
> > DO NOT change the car from its current set-up.
>
>
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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 20 06:37:20 2018
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 12:37:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Driver Census
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Hi,
I'll also toss out this, based on experience with a number of organizations.
Clubs like SCCA see fairly consistent participation levels of about 10% of membership. So, with 65,000 members, SCCA has around 6500 members that participate on a regular basis. There are also a number of non-regular participants, but putting a number on that is fairly difficult. For example, there are members that join to do a track day or autocross, try it and then decide to walk away. But they are not active beyond that. There are a few local-ish specialized clubs that see higher participation rates, but a lot of them have members that are in other clubs (like SCCA or NASA or VRG or whatever), so excepting cases where the local club is the ONLY venue available, there are folks with dual club affiliation, so you can't just add up all the? club memberships to get a total because the numbers would be skewed. And even if you included NHRA (which is at 65000+ members) and some of the roundy-round groups like local NASCAR, if there's 100000 "participants" in the USA, I would be surprised.
Based on the population, the number is pretty small. Like .02% if not less.
This is an interesting question, for sure.
Regards,Bob Lang
On Wednesday, June 20, 2018, 8:00:10 AM EDT, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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While I don?t have any numbers, you are quite correct.
?
Once, long ago some of my SCCA buddies and I had a conversation with an engineer from Ford at one of our regional meetings.? My question to him was, why not put BIG disc brakes on the Mustang?
He said that less than 2% of owners take part in any organized competitive events, hence there is no incentive to tailor the Mustang to ?our? (enthusiast) market.?? Of course there are now very good Mustang models out there, but his assertion still rings true.
?
I?d say that less than two percent of all car owners take part in ANY organized competitive events of any kind, so racing would be a tiny subset of that 2%.
?
Terry Stetler
?
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?
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Allen Washatko via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:57:06 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Driver Census?FOT,
Would anyone want to venture a guess as to how many drivers there are in the USA who actually race: vintage organizations, SCCA, Indy, NASCAR, IMSA, amateur, professional, etc.? Not track day, autocross, etc.? I?m interested in calculating the percentage of the population that participated in our world. I would guess that it is a tiny fraction.
Allen
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From johnstydo at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 07:19:41 2018
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 09:19:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup
References: <A0FB5B916C9D40EDB2C652ACEDCB706D@UserTHINK>
?Jerry, I can add those folks to my crew list when I register. I think the
$20 overcrew charge is for the entire event but includes two dinners.? I
don't think it includes a paddock parking sticker.
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 7:04 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net
> wrote:
> Racers attending the Kastner Cup.
>
> I?m in need of 4 or 5 Crew Passes for WPTA Hosts. Certainly willing to pay
> as extra crew, just need to be able to attend multiple days.
>
> Hope I can find some help.
> Thanks,
> JVV
>
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Wed Jun 20 07:50:27 2018
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 09:50:27 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup
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From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 10:05:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup
References: <462002324.503.1529502627749@wamui-moana.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Mike,
I looked at the mail in application and it states 2 free crew passes and $20.00 for extra paid crew. Last year racers were able to add crew or extra crew at registration check in so I?m assuming that still is available.
But I don?t speak for PVGP or Pitt Race in this regard, just the way I read the form and recall last years event.
JVV
From: Mike Jackson
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 9:50 AM
To: Jerry Van Vlack ; FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup
remind us how many crew passes each of us can have and how to add some.
I dont know about the rest of us but I had to mail in a entry form so I'm not sure how to change that entry.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot
Sent: Jun 20, 2018 7:04 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup
Racers attending the Kastner Cup.
I?m in need of 4 or 5 Crew Passes for WPTA Hosts. Certainly willing to pay as extra crew, just need to be able to attend multiple days.
Hope I can find some help.
Thanks,
JVV
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From smyers at mac.com Wed Jun 20 09:20:35 2018
From: smyers at mac.com (Stephen Myers)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 10:20:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Driver Census
References: <B7EADCD3-1D00-410C-8FD4-8E43D6B0FB00@wi.rr.com>
The number of licensed drivers in ACCUS (FIA), IMSA, SCCA, and NASA would be easily recorded and even then a large number of those will never enter a race this year. SCCA or any other organization would never give you a number of how many competition drivers they have as they would never want such a pitiful number to be advertised.
Then add in the number of vintage and endurance drivers who are not required to have full competition licenses to compete in events. I would guess only a small fraction of drivers that held ?licenses? from a vintage group or endurance groups like ChumpCar actually make it to a race each year.
I was told once that the turn over for drivers is around 7 years in SCCA/NASA. In seven years peoples lives will change and they usually drop out of racing because of kids, economy, or health issues.
Cars are so fast today that you could go buy a brand new mustang put hoosiers on it and put down faster times than anyone in our vintage races and do it during a track day. You don?t need to race full competition to get the speed anymore and with time trial/attack events popping up all over that do not require licenses more and more people are staying away from the professional organizations.
-Steve
> On Jun 19, 2018, at 9:57 PM, Allen Washatko via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> FOT,
>
> Would anyone want to venture a guess as to how many drivers there are in the USA who actually race: vintage organizations, SCCA, Indy, NASCAR, IMSA, amateur, professional, etc. Not track day, autocross, etc. I?m interested in calculating the percentage of the population that participated in our world. I would guess that it is a tiny fraction.
>
> Allen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 06:21:18 2018
From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 12:21:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Pvgp camping
References: <1585132005.299757.1529583678826.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
There doesn't appear to be a campsite at the track. Was wondering if I could pitch a tent near someone's hauler or motorhome? My media pass is on its way here in the mail.
Shawn Frank
North American Triumphs - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiter
Continued Legacy - Owner
Spitfire & GT6 Magazine - Editor
Iowa British Car Club
FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
515-339-4228
'63 Triumph Spitfire4 (MK1)
'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'76 Triumph TR7 Victory Edition
'80 Triumph Spitfire 1500
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From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jun 21 09:45:13 2018
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:45:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pvgp camping
References: <1585132005.299757.1529583678826.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
<1585132005.299757.1529583678826@mail.yahoo.com>
there?s a great hill above the paddock that i think I?ve seen people camp on. Bathrooms and shower facilities are excellent. You might want to check the track website to make sure it?s allowed, pretty sure I?ve seen tents there before. Most of the paddock is paved, so a tent there would be on pavement.
On Jun 21, 2018, at 8:21 AM, Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
There doesn't appear to be a campsite at the track. Was wondering if I could pitch a tent near someone's hauler or motorhome? My media pass is on its way here in the mail.
Shawn Frank
North American Triumphs - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiter
Continued Legacy - Owner
Spitfire & GT6 Magazine - Editor
Iowa British Car Club
FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
515-339-4228
'63 Triumph Spitfire4 (MK1)
'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'76 Triumph TR7 Victory Edition
'80 Triumph Spitfire 1500
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Jun 21 11:40:47 2018
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 13:40:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pvgp camping
References: <1585132005.299757.1529583678826.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
<1585132005.299757.1529583678826@mail.yahoo.com>
<17FBFB64-A2AF-4669-9EDD-254CE3501FE7@me.com>
And being high is good if it rains, Blackhawk, Summit Point only need to be recalled to appreciate being on high ground. Besides it?s not hard to do in Western PA! Choose wisely.
JVV
From: Scott Janzen via Fot
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 11:45 AM
To: my71spit13 at yahoo.com
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Pvgp camping
there?s a great hill above the paddock that i think I?ve seen people camp on. Bathrooms and shower facilities are excellent. You might want to check the track website to make sure it?s allowed, pretty sure I?ve seen tents there before. Most of the paddock is paved, so a tent there would be on pavement.
On Jun 21, 2018, at 8:21 AM, Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
There doesn't appear to be a campsite at the track. Was wondering if I could pitch a tent near someone's hauler or motorhome? My media pass is on its way here in the mail.
Shawn Frank
North American Triumphs - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiter
Continued Legacy - Owner
Spitfire & GT6 Magazine - Editor
Iowa British Car Club
FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
515-339-4228
'63 Triumph Spitfire4 (MK1)
'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'76 Triumph TR7 Victory Edition
'80 Triumph Spitfire 1500
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 13:06:33 2018
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 14:06:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] New MeWe Group for Triumph historic pictures
I want you to join my group on MeWe
https://mewe.com/join/vintage_triumph_cars
Sent from my iPhone
From vfracing at aol.com Thu Jun 21 14:45:40 2018
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 16:45:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pvgp camping
References: <1585132005.299757.1529583678826.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
<1585132005.299757.1529583678826@mail.yahoo.com>
<17FBFB64-A2AF-4669-9EDD-254CE3501FE7@me.com>
<7241898A760047839ACFD9BC0A89D14B@VlackTK121647>
The registrar told me camping was ok.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 21, 2018, at 1:40 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> And being high is good if it rains, Blackhawk, Summit Point only need to be recalled to appreciate being on high ground. Besides it?s not hard to do in Western PA! Choose wisely.
> JVV
>
> From: Scott Janzen via Fot
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 11:45 AM
> To: my71spit13 at yahoo.com
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Pvgp camping
>
> there?s a great hill above the paddock that i think I?ve seen people camp on. Bathrooms and shower facilities are excellent. You might want to check the track website to make sure it?s allowed, pretty sure I?ve seen tents there before. Most of the paddock is paved, so a tent there would be on pavement.
>
> On Jun 21, 2018, at 8:21 AM, Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> There doesn't appear to be a campsite at the track. Was wondering if I could pitch a tent near someone's hauler or motorhome? My media pass is on its way here in the mail.
>
> Shawn Frank
> North American Triumphs - Owner
> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiter
> Continued Legacy - Owner
> Spitfire & GT6 Magazine - Editor
> Iowa British Car Club
> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
> 515-339-4228
>
> '63 Triumph Spitfire4 (MK1)
> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV
> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3
> '76 Triumph TR7 Victory Edition
> '80 Triumph Spitfire 1500
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From johnstydo at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 15:03:11 2018
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 17:03:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pvgp camping
References: <1585132005.299757.1529583678826.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
<1585132005.299757.1529583678826@mail.yahoo.com>
<17FBFB64-A2AF-4669-9EDD-254CE3501FE7@me.com>
<7241898A760047839ACFD9BC0A89D14B@VlackTK121647>
?That hill is now designated as the VIP parking area and will cost you to
park. Pitching a tent up there may be hazardous. Check out the PVGP
website?.
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 1:40 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net
> wrote:
> And being high is good if it rains, Blackhawk, Summit Point only need to
> be recalled to appreciate being on high ground. Besides it?s not hard to do
> in Western PA! Choose wisely.
> JVV
>
> *From:* Scott Janzen via Fot
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2018 11:45 AM
> *To:* my71spit13 at yahoo.com
> *Cc:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Pvgp camping
>
> there?s a great hill above the paddock that i think I?ve seen people camp
> on. Bathrooms and shower facilities are excellent. You might want to
> check the track website to make sure it?s allowed, pretty sure I?ve seen
> tents there before. Most of the paddock is paved, so a tent there would be
> on pavement.
>
> On Jun 21, 2018, at 8:21 AM, Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> There doesn't appear to be a campsite at the track. Was wondering if I
> could pitch a tent near someone's hauler or motorhome? My media pass is on
> its way here in the mail.
>
> Shawn Frank
> North American Triumphs - Owner
> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiter
> Continued Legacy - Owner
> Spitfire & GT6 Magazine - Editor
> Iowa British Car Club
> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
> 515-339-4228
>
> '63 Triumph Spitfire4 (MK1)
> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV
> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3
> '76 Triumph TR7 Victory Edition
> '80 Triumph Spitfire 1500
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From awashatko at wi.rr.com Thu Jun 21 19:43:57 2018
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 20:43:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clutch/Pressure Plate
FoT,
Last year I had a circumferential crack occur in a relatively new Spec pressure plate. As the plate heated up, the metal distorted and caused the clutch disc to drag resulting in shifting issues. Spectra replaced it free of charge but I had the same thing occur last weekend at Blackhawk Farms. We are dropping the tranny tomorrow to inspect. I?m wondering if anyone has a different resource for a TR6 pressure plate should we need a new one?
Thanks for any help.
Allen
Allen Washatko
TR6 - #6
From biznzman at pacbell.net Thu Jun 21 19:58:09 2018
From: biznzman at pacbell.net (Stephen Borowski)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 21:58:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Crew passes for Steve & Matt
Hello All,
Looks like Matthew and I will make the Kastner Cup as spectators again? Any possibility someone could add us to there crew or over crew list? We plan on arriving on Friday morning.
Thanks for your help!!!
Steve and Matthew
Florida TR4 Racer
From mckearn2 at gmail.com Fri Jun 22 07:11:58 2018
From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 08:11:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spark plugs
Hi All.
Am looking for a plug to replace NGK BP6ES. I have had to replace these
every year because of fouling problems and am tired of it. Engine is a 2.5
L TR6. 10:1 compression, mild cam, Weber carbs, streetable.
Thanks. P.J.
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Jun 22 07:51:36 2018
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 13:51:36 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Spark plugs
References: <CAAGAaPXasjXrvpu9gaCzDUCFSGk_dUwnsZigUat86nJ_2ZjU4w@mail.gmail.com>
I have found this page to be pretty informative and useful for someone at my basic level of understanding: http://www.ngksparkplugs.ca/tech-info-spark-plugs.cfm
Good advice there: ?Before changing fouled spark plugs, be sure to eliminate root cause of fouling?. Why are you fouling the plugs?
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of McKearn McKearn via Fot
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 8:12 AM
To: FOT list <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Spark plugs
Hi All.
Am looking for a plug to replace NGK BP6ES. I have had to replace these every year because of fouling problems and am tired of it. Engine is a 2.5 L TR6. 10:1 compression, mild cam, Weber carbs, streetable.
Thanks. P.J.
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From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Jun 22 10:37:46 2018
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 16:37:46 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Spark plugs
References: <CAAGAaPXasjXrvpu9gaCzDUCFSGk_dUwnsZigUat86nJ_2ZjU4w@mail.gmail.com>,
<84F56CFCC31FAC48AE160008ADDECFA57CBA78D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
My experience is that the NGKs are the best plugs available for ?our? cars. I run them in my personal cars, and motorcycle, Jeff?s TR3 race car. and any car in his collection that NGK makes plugs for, etc...
If you are fouling plugs, it?s not the plugs that are causing it.
Terry Stetler.
Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 9:51:36 AM
To: McKearn McKearn
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spark plugs
I have found this page to be pretty informative and useful for someone at my basic level of understanding: http://www.ngksparkplugs.ca/tech-info-spark-plugs.cfm<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ngksparkplugs.ca%2Ftech-info-spark-plugs.cfm&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb6c64c7a87e4aa00c2308d5d84cebb5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636652747244886699&sdata=WxYtElz5pPwCPWu%2FJJkWDDkJsLyvWTSM0mv2RN30OOo%3D&reserved=0>
Good advice there: ?Before changing fouled spark plugs, be sure to eliminate root cause of fouling?. Why are you fouling the plugs?
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of McKearn McKearn via Fot
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 8:12 AM
To: FOT list <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Spark plugs
Hi All.
Am looking for a plug to replace NGK BP6ES. I have had to replace these every year because of fouling problems and am tired of it. Engine is a 2.5 L TR6. 10:1 compression, mild cam, Weber carbs, streetable.
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Jun 22 10:59:08 2018
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 11:59:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spark plugs
References: <CAAGAaPXasjXrvpu9gaCzDUCFSGk_dUwnsZigUat86nJ_2ZjU4w@mail.gmail.com>
<84F56CFCC31FAC48AE160008ADDECFA57CBA78D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
<CY4PR19MB0903332E17192B2028EF8839C3750@CY4PR19MB0903.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
The NGKs are readily available for your race car at Parts Stores as they are used in Golf Cars.
Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell: 319.464.4711
> On Jun 22, 2018, at 11:37 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> My experience is that the NGKs are the best plugs available for ?our? cars. I run them in my personal cars, and motorcycle, Jeff?s TR3 race car. and any car in his collection that NGK makes plugs for, etc...
>
> If you are fouling plugs, it?s not the plugs that are causing it.
>
> Terry Stetler.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 9:51:36 AM
> To: McKearn McKearn
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Spark plugs
>
> I have found this page to be pretty informative and useful for someone at my basic level of understanding: http://www.ngksparkplugs.ca/tech-info-spark-plugs.cfm
>
> Good advice there: ?Before changing fouled spark plugs, be sure to eliminate root cause of fouling?. Why are you fouling the plugs?
>
>
>
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of McKearn McKearn via Fot
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 8:12 AM
> To: FOT list <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] Spark plugs
>
> Hi All.
> Am looking for a plug to replace NGK BP6ES. I have had to replace these every year because of fouling problems and am tired of it. Engine is a 2.5 L TR6. 10:1 compression, mild cam, Weber carbs, streetable.
> Thanks. P.J.
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From mckearn2 at gmail.com Fri Jun 22 11:05:41 2018
From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 12:05:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spark plugs
References: <CAAGAaPXasjXrvpu9gaCzDUCFSGk_dUwnsZigUat86nJ_2ZjU4w@mail.gmail.com>
<84F56CFCC31FAC48AE160008ADDECFA57CBA78D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
<CY4PR19MB0903332E17192B2028EF8839C3750@CY4PR19MB0903.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Thanks for the info. Good website. I was hoping someone would say I'm in
the ballpark as far as heat range. I'll look into fuel issues.
P.J.
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Terry Stetler <tlizzard at msn.com> wrote:
> My experience is that the NGKs are the best plugs available for ?our?
> cars. I run them in my personal cars, and motorcycle, Jeff?s TR3 race car.
> and any car in his collection that NGK makes plugs for, etc...
>
>
>
> If you are fouling plugs, it?s not the plugs that are causing it.
>
>
>
> Terry Stetler.
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Barr, Scott via Fot
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 22, 2018 9:51:36 AM
> *To:* McKearn McKearn
> *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Spark plugs
>
>
> I have found this page to be pretty informative and useful for someone at
> my basic level of understanding: http://www.ngksparkplugs.ca/
> tech-info-spark-plugs.cfm
> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ngksparkplugs.ca%2Ftech-info-spark-plugs.cfm&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb6c64c7a87e4aa00c2308d5d84cebb5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636652747244886699&sdata=WxYtElz5pPwCPWu%2FJJkWDDkJsLyvWTSM0mv2RN30OOo%3D&reserved=0>
>
>
>
> Good advice there: ?Before changing fouled spark plugs, be sure to
> eliminate root cause of fouling?. Why are you fouling the plugs?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *McKearn McKearn
> via Fot
> *Sent:* Friday, June 22, 2018 8:12 AM
> *To:* FOT list <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Fot] Spark plugs
>
>
>
> Hi All.
>
> Am looking for a plug to replace NGK BP6ES. I have had to replace these
> every year because of fouling problems and am tired of it. Engine is a 2.5
> L TR6. 10:1 compression, mild cam, Weber carbs, streetable.
>
> Thanks. P.J.
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From fubog1 at aol.com Fri Jun 22 11:10:38 2018
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 13:10:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spark plugs
I switched from Bosch & Champ to NGK back in the late 70s... many years and thousands of spark plugs later...
NGK!
As has been mentioned, it sounds like there are other tuning issues that are causing the problem.
Glen
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>; McKearn McKearn <mckearn2 at gmail.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Jun 22, 2018 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spark plugs
My experience is that the NGKs are the best plugs available for ?our? cars. I run them in my personal cars, and motorcycle, Jeff?s TR3 race car. and any car in his collection that NGK makes plugs for, etc...
If you are fouling plugs, it?s not the plugs that are causing it.
Terry Stetler.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 9:51:36 AM
To: McKearn McKearn
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spark plugs
I have found this page to be pretty informative and useful for someone at my basic level of understanding: http://www.ngksparkplugs.ca/tech-info-spark-plugs.cfm
Good advice there: ?Before changing fouled spark plugs, be sure to eliminate root cause of fouling?. Why are you fouling the plugs?
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>On Behalf Of McKearn McKearn via Fot
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 8:12 AM
To: FOT list <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Spark plugs
Hi All.
Am looking for a plug to replace NGK BP6ES. I have had to replace these every year because of fouling problems and am tired of it. Engine is a 2.5 L TR6. 10:1 compression, mild cam, Weber carbs, streetable.
Thanks. P.J.
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From jsukey at gmail.com Fri Jun 22 11:48:59 2018
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 13:48:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spark plugs
References: <CAAGAaPXasjXrvpu9gaCzDUCFSGk_dUwnsZigUat86nJ_2ZjU4w@mail.gmail.com>
<84F56CFCC31FAC48AE160008ADDECFA57CBA78D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
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I am running one step colder in my 10.5:1 streetable GT6, BP7ES. No issues
with fouling, my guess is your issues aren't related to plug heat range.
Jason
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018, 1:43 PM McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:
> Thanks for the info. Good website. I was hoping someone would say I'm in
> the ballpark as far as heat range. I'll look into fuel issues.
> P.J.
>
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Terry Stetler <tlizzard at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> My experience is that the NGKs are the best plugs available for ?our?
>> cars. I run them in my personal cars, and motorcycle, Jeff?s TR3 race car.
>> and any car in his collection that NGK makes plugs for, etc...
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are fouling plugs, it?s not the plugs that are causing it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Terry Stetler.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows 10
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Barr, Scott via
>> Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 22, 2018 9:51:36 AM
>> *To:* McKearn McKearn
>> *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Spark plugs
>>
>>
>> I have found this page to be pretty informative and useful for someone at
>> my basic level of understanding:
>> http://www.ngksparkplugs.ca/tech-info-spark-plugs.cfm
>> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ngksparkplugs.ca%2Ftech-info-spark-plugs.cfm&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb6c64c7a87e4aa00c2308d5d84cebb5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636652747244886699&sdata=WxYtElz5pPwCPWu%2FJJkWDDkJsLyvWTSM0mv2RN30OOo%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>>
>>
>> Good advice there: ?Before changing fouled spark plugs, be sure to
>> eliminate root cause of fouling?. Why are you fouling the plugs?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *McKearn McKearn
>> via Fot
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 22, 2018 8:12 AM
>> *To:* FOT list <fot at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [Fot] Spark plugs
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All.
>>
>> Am looking for a plug to replace NGK BP6ES. I have had to replace these
>> every year because of fouling problems and am tired of it. Engine is a 2.5
>> L TR6. 10:1 compression, mild cam, Weber carbs, streetable.
>>
>> Thanks. P.J.
>>
>
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From sjanzen at me.com Fri Jun 22 12:07:23 2018
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 14:07:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spark plugs
References: <CAAGAaPXasjXrvpu9gaCzDUCFSGk_dUwnsZigUat86nJ_2ZjU4w@mail.gmail.com>
In my race GT6, I?m currently running a champion c59YC - a pretty cool plug. That?s 11.5:1 compression, constant high revs (4.5-7k), 110 octane. I just had it on a chassis dyno and one thing I learned that was interesting - I had been running plug gaps in the 0.026 range (stock). The guys at the shop asked a few questions, and said, you should be running about 0.035?. I bumped it up to that and picked up 4 HP.
In the prior motor, different cam but mostly all else equal, I was running two heat ranges higher with no issues.
Not sure that helps much for your car - look at where your current plugs are in the range and perhaps go up a notch or two. The NGK article is helpful. Might be that your float level is too high or the jets are too rich.
Going to the dyno with a range of jets, plugs, and a timing light has helped me find 5-10% more power over the years. My local tuning/race shop will give me 2-3 hours for about $200. I do my own adjustments, and I go there every time with a new engine to do break-in pulls - much cheaper than having a new engine failure at the track.
On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:11 AM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Hi All.
Am looking for a plug to replace NGK BP6ES. I have had to replace these every year because of fouling problems and am tired of it. Engine is a 2.5 L TR6. 10:1 compression, mild cam, Weber carbs, streetable.
Thanks. P.J.
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From putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 22 13:33:52 2018
From: putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com (Rich Hahn)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 19:33:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spark plugs
References: <CAAGAaPXasjXrvpu9gaCzDUCFSGk_dUwnsZigUat86nJ_2ZjU4w@mail.gmail.com>
<84F56CFCC31FAC48AE160008ADDECFA57CBA78D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
<CY4PR19MB0903332E17192B2028EF8839C3750@CY4PR19MB0903.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
<CAAGAaPU+qn17d9Aawqt_7s_thx-0_unxXbqWwHvkr1tJfuiudA@mail.gmail.com>
<CAMmo4o8xmKt-N8_PSFx=xoCA2m0pRuA1xkqK-rAnfksf5LVJOA@mail.gmail.com>
I think your issues are centered around the Weber's.? Years ago I ran DCOE's on my TR4A which had a hotter cam and headers.? I never could get them to run lean enough on the street around town.? Ran great on the highway however since the 4:11 rear end kept the engine at high RPM.? If you know someone who is an EXPERT with Weber's I would have them take a look.? With the thousands of combinations of different jets, venturi's etc. on DCOE's it really takes some time and knowledge to get them streetable.
On ?Friday?, ?June? ?22?, ?2018? ?02?:?58?:?32? ?PM? ?EDT, Jason Sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
I am running one step colder in my 10.5:1 streetable GT6, BP7ES.? No issues with fouling, my guess is your issues aren't related to plug heat range.
Jason
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018, 1:43 PM McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Thanks for the info. Good website.? I?was hoping someone would say I'm in the ballpark as far as heat range. I'll look into fuel issues.???????????????????????????????? P.J.
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Terry Stetler <tlizzard at msn.com> wrote:
My experience is that the NGKs are the best plugs available for ?our? cars. I run them in my personal cars, and motorcycle, Jeff?s TR3 race car. and any car in his collection that NGK makes plugs for, etc...
?
If you are fouling plugs, it?s not the plugs that are causing it.
?
Terry Stetler.
?
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
?
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 9:51:36 AM
To: McKearn McKearn
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spark plugs?
I have found this page to be pretty informative and useful for someone at my basic level of understanding:?http://www.ngksparkplugs.ca/tech-info-spark-plugs.cfm
?
Good advice there: ?Before changing fouled spark plugs, be sure to eliminate root cause of fouling?.? Why are you fouling the plugs?
?
?
?
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>On Behalf Of McKearn McKearn via Fot
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 8:12 AM
To: FOT list <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Spark plugs
?
Hi All.
? Am looking for a plug to replace NGK BP6ES.?I have had to replace these every year because of fouling problems and am tired of it. Engine is a 2.5 L TR6.? 10:1 compression, mild cam, Weber carbs, streetable.?
?Thanks.? P.J.
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com Fri Jun 22 17:55:16 2018
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 16:55:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spark plugs
References: <CAAGAaPXasjXrvpu9gaCzDUCFSGk_dUwnsZigUat86nJ_2ZjU4w@mail.gmail.com>
<84F56CFCC31FAC48AE160008ADDECFA57CBA78D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
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On 6/22/18 12:33 PM, Rich Hahn via Fot wrote:
> I think your issues are centered around the Weber's.? Years ago I ran
> DCOE's on my TR4A which had a hotter cam and headers.? I never could
> get them to run lean enough on the street around town.? Ran great on
> the highway however since the 4:11 rear end kept the engine at high
> RPM.? If you know someone who is an EXPERT with Weber's I would have
> them take a look.? With the thousands of combinations of different
> jets, venturi's etc. on DCOE's it really takes some time and knowledge
> to get them streetable.
I have a web page that is a DCOE? primer that can help you understand
what each circuit does and what you are trying to do when you tune them.
http://www.tr3a.info/WeberDCOEinfo.htm
TeriAnn
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From dlhogye at comcast.net Fri Jun 22 21:20:31 2018
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 20:20:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spark plugs
References: <CAAGAaPXasjXrvpu9gaCzDUCFSGk_dUwnsZigUat86nJ_2ZjU4w@mail.gmail.com>
<84F56CFCC31FAC48AE160008ADDECFA57CBA78D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
<CY4PR19MB0903332E17192B2028EF8839C3750@CY4PR19MB0903.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
<CAAGAaPU+qn17d9Aawqt_7s_thx-0_unxXbqWwHvkr1tJfuiudA@mail.gmail.com>
<CAMmo4o8xmKt-N8_PSFx=xoCA2m0pRuA1xkqK-rAnfksf5LVJOA@mail.gmail.com>
<1915361772.1203608.1529696032313@mail.yahoo.com>
I would direct anyone with Weber issues to contact Mike Pierce at Pierce Manifolds in Salinas CA.
He is the absolute, world wide, go to guy for Webers.
https://www.piercemanifolds.com/
Dave H.
> On June 22, 2018 at 12:33 PM Rich Hahn via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> I think your issues are centered around the Weber's. Years ago I ran DCOE's on my TR4A which had a hotter cam and headers. I never could get them to run lean enough on the street around town. Ran great on the highway however since the 4:11 rear end kept the engine at high RPM. If you know someone who is an EXPERT with Weber's I would have them take a look. With the thousands of combinations of different jets, venturi's etc. on DCOE's it really takes some time and knowledge to get them streetable.
>
>
>
> On ?Friday?, ?June? ?22?, ?2018? ?02?:?58?:?32? ?PM? ?EDT, Jason Sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> I am running one step colder in my 10.5:1 streetable GT6, BP7ES. No issues with fouling, my guess is your issues aren't related to plug heat range.
>
> Jason
>
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2018, 1:43 PM McKearn McKearn via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
>
> > > Thanks for the info. Good website. I was hoping someone would say I'm in the ballpark as far as heat range. I'll look into fuel issues.
> > P.J.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Terry Stetler <tlizzard at msn.com mailto:tlizzard at msn.com > wrote:
> >
> > > > >
> > > My experience is that the NGKs are the best plugs available for ?our? cars. I run them in my personal cars, and motorcycle, Jeff?s TR3 race car. and any car in his collection that NGK makes plugs for, etc...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If you are fouling plugs, it?s not the plugs that are causing it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Terry Stetler.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from Mail https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for Windows 10
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net > on behalf of Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net >
> > > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 9:51:36 AM
> > > To: McKearn McKearn
> > > Cc: fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net
> > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spark plugs
> > >
> > >
> > > I have found this page to be pretty informative and useful for someone at my basic level of understanding: http://www.ngksparkplugs.ca/tech-info-spark-plugs.cfm https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ngksparkplugs.ca%2Ftech-info-spark-plugs.cfm&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb6c64c7a87e4aa00c2308d5d84cebb5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636652747244886699&sdata=WxYtElz5pPwCPWu%2FJJkWDDkJsLyvWTSM0mv2RN30OOo%3D&reserved=0
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Good advice there: ?Before changing fouled spark plugs, be sure to eliminate root cause of fouling?. Why are you fouling the plugs?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net > On Behalf Of McKearn McKearn via Fot
> > > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 8:12 AM
> > > To: FOT list <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net >
> > > Subject: [Fot] Spark plugs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi All.
> > >
> > > Am looking for a plug to replace NGK BP6ES. I have had to replace these every year because of fouling problems and am tired of it. Engine is a 2.5 L TR6. 10:1 compression, mild cam, Weber carbs, streetable.
> > >
> > > Thanks. P.J.
> > >
> > > > >
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From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon Jun 25 12:38:51 2018
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 14:38:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup
Hey all, I'm sorry to report that my Cardiologist has pulled my racing
physical, so I will not be racing at Pitt Race. The mechanics have to do a
valve job on my engine (heart), but should be good as new after. I will be
there to bring the traveling Kastner Cup for this year's winner to take
home. See you all there!
Vroom, vroom,
Jeff Snook
419-344-0319
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From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jun 25 14:18:46 2018
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 13:18:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR brake pad wear and caliper rebuild inquiry
Hello Friends,
Kas discusses uneven brake pad wear in one of his books. I have been monitoring brake pad wear and the wear angle. After 4 events on a set of Carbotech pads, there is as much as .060 wear angle diagonally across the pads.
After the last event, it seemed that the right brake was dragging more.
I decided to tear into the matter.
I separated the caliper halves and found that the rotors have made contact with the calipers on the top outside half. Both calipers have the same contact scrape pattern. There is at least 1/8" clearance between the rotor and caliper normally. During the first couple of years racing, I didn't use the spacers between the front bearings, but I do run the heavy duty stub axles. It is possible that the rotor was making contact with the rotor during that time. I'll have to dress the scrape marks to monitor further contact. Obviously there is a lot of deflection and torquing going on.
I would like to purchase the parts to rebuild the calipers and I see that the pistons are available in different materials from Moss. There are two pistons that have nicks in them, otherwise I would not replace the pistons. I don't think the nitrided pistons are necessary, but I would appreciate recommendations for the best parts and suppliers. I imagine that the rubber seals are probably the same from all suppliers, but one never knows. Again, recommendations are appreciated.
Also, I'd like to keep the pads as true as possible from now on, between events. I have tried a grinding stone on my drill press. Any thoughts about truing the pads?
I've attached a photo of the scrape marks in the caliper halves. Has anyone noticed this before?
Thanks,
Dave H.
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From: jdolan at voyagerhldgs.com (James J Dolan)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 22:23:09 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup
References: <007d01d40cb3$c3433d30$49c9b790$@org>
Jeff,
This is not good news. ?
I hope you find good NOS parts for that replacement part??.. please not Lucas!
Maybe like the Stanley Cup, you can tell us all the places you have taken the Cup these past 12 months.
We will have a special chair arranged for Last Year?s Champion to preside over the race.
See you in Pittsburgh
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jeff Snook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, June 25, 2018 at 4:45 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph ' <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup
Hey all, I?m sorry to report that my Cardiologist has pulled my racing physical, so I will not be racing at Pitt Race. The mechanics have to do a valve job on my engine (heart), but should be good as new after. I will be there to bring the traveling Kastner Cup for this year?s winner to take home. See you all there!
Vroom, vroom,
Jeff Snook
419-344-0319
www.snooksdreamcars.com<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.snooksdreamcars.com&c=E,1,Abae_F1AgGe-yNRrN_eFrslVMGW5QycgmScWIyF5dI6IOt7eRsli8ANEspuRpD0Lq3WCsZy_UbcBVxGqvPSn8sqFjDa8Vcn6zjoHKNqMg4-t3Ik,&typo=1>
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From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jun 25 16:46:26 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 18:46:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup
References: <007d01d40cb3$c3433d30$49c9b790$@org>
Jeff...
So sorry to hear this news, but God Bless your cardiologist, who has done you and those you race with a great service. Wake up call. You need to get this issue fixed. Ditch those damn smokes. Keep me in the loop on progress.
Bill Dentinger
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
On Monday, June 25, 2018, Jeff Snook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Hey all, I?m sorry to report that my Cardiologist has pulled my racing physical, so I will not be racing at Pitt Race. The mechanics have to do a valve job on my engine (heart), but should be good as new after. I will be there to bring the traveling Kastner Cup for this year?s winner to take home. See you all there!
Vroom, vroom,
Jeff Snook
419-344-0319
www.snooksdreamcars.com
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From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jun 25 20:41:32 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 22:41:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup
References: <15E0EC31-C099-440E-95E2-FE6360F02815@voyagerhldgs.com>
Jim...
This is meant to go "off list", but I am not convinced I know how to clip the Copy FOT part.
I just wanted to report that one of my grand daughters married a Minnesota "DOLAN" last week. He is Irish through and through, and an ex-pro Hockey player. Bo Dolan is a super guy, and a Minnesota MUSKY hunter legend. Most MUSKY fishermen spend a lifetime trying to catch just one. Bo catches (and releases) 3 or 4 every summer. He and my grand daughter, Stephanie, are over in Ireland on a honeymoon now.
Bill Dentinger
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com
On Monday, June 25, 2018, James J Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Jeff,
This is not good news. ?
I hope you find good NOS parts for that replacement part??.. please not Lucas!
Maybe like the Stanley Cup, you can tell us all the places you have taken the Cup these past 12 months.
We will have a special chair arranged for Last Year?s Champion to preside over the race.
See you in Pittsburgh
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jeff Snook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, June 25, 2018 at 4:45 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph ' <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup
Hey all, I?m sorry to report that my Cardiologist has pulled my racing physical, so I will not be racing at Pitt Race. The mechanics have to do a valve job on my engine (heart), but should be good as new after. I will be there to bring the traveling Kastner Cup for this year?s winner to take home. See you all there!
Vroom, vroom,
Jeff Snook
419-344-0319
www.snooksdreamcars.com
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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 26 04:12:59 2018
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 10:12:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] In Car from Thompson
References: <1090181492.2437807.1530007979151.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Hi,
I posted this in-car video yesterday - fun from the Thompson Vintage Festival last weekend:
https://youtu.be/RDBB89cIHqU
FWIW, there was contact at one point between the Lotus and the Chevron.
Regards,Bob Lang
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Jun 26 16:04:20 2018
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 18:04:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tee shirts
FOT and WPTA
I picked up the Kastner Cup Tee Shirts yesterday and they look great.
I have a few extra in Gray and White in Large and XL if you didn?t order, forgot to order or maybe want more than you ordered.
Write to me and hopefully I?ll sell out completely. If they go onto EBAY who knows what they may get bid up to, today?s bargain price is still $17.00. If I need to mail them out it will be extra, maybe in the $7 or $8 dollar range. I need to check with the PO for exact cost. Of course I?ll be at the event and you can catch me there.
JVV
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From vfracing at aol.com Wed Jun 27 09:11:39 2018
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 11:11:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
Will there be a Triumph corral at PIR? I?ve not been there before but hope we can paddock together to put faces with the names on the list.
Phil Gott
114 TR4A
Sent from my iPhone
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From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John Hasty)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 15:17:26 +0000
Subject: [Fot] e-mail
Not sure it makes any difference to most of you, but if anyone on the list needs to contact me through July 10, our office is changing cloud providers and I will not be able to access my email account until some youngster here at the firm shows me how to access the new cloud (what ever that is)
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From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jun 27 10:06:42 2018
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 12:06:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
References: <56474DD4-DC31-417B-B423-C469A2AAAE69@aol.com>
Somebody circulated a message in the last few days with an aerial photo of the paddock and an area circled - I can?t find it, but there will be a Triumph hospitality tent near the bathrooms in the center of the paddock, on the side away from the track. There was an area on the grass marked next to it for the Triumph street car crowd. I assume the racers will generally set up near the tent.
Could someone recirculate that photo?
On Jun 27, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Will there be a Triumph corral at PIR? I?ve not been there before but hope we can paddock together to put faces with the names on the list.
Phil Gott
114 TR4A
Sent from my iPhone
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From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Jun 27 10:20:44 2018
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 16:20:44 +0000
Subject: [Fot] K-cup
Will the Triumps have their own tech inspection in our paddock area or is it the normal area get in line type of thing?
Marty
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Jun 27 13:01:11 2018
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 19:01:11 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Ramming device needed for Kastner Cup for my TR3-A
Just Kidding,
But I would like to purchase your cast off original front bumper for my TR3-A
Cheers, Henry Morrison, Albuquerque
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Jun 27 14:23:45 2018
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 16:23:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
References: <56474DD4-DC31-417B-B423-C469A2AAAE69@aol.com>
<DEDBA794-6F85-4B86-B292-72F9E44AC212@me.com>
The photo might have come from me but perhaps one of the Dolans sent that out. I?ll try to find it and send it again. It?s also on the PVGP site at the Pitt Race Tab and the Kastner Cup tab.
JVV
From: Scott Janzen via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 12:06 PM
To: Phil Gott ; Michael Moore
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
Somebody circulated a message in the last few days with an aerial photo of the paddock and an area circled - I can?t find it, but there will be a Triumph hospitality tent near the bathrooms in the center of the paddock, on the side away from the track. There was an area on the grass marked next to it for the Triumph street car crowd. I assume the racers will generally set up near the tent.
Could someone recirculate that photo?
On Jun 27, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Will there be a Triumph corral at PIR? I?ve not been there before but hope we can paddock together to put faces with the names on the list.
Phil Gott
114 TR4A
Sent from my iPhone
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From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jun 27 14:51:48 2018
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 16:51:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
References: <56474DD4-DC31-417B-B423-C469A2AAAE69@aol.com>
<DEDBA794-6F85-4B86-B292-72F9E44AC212@me.com>
<05184D5E3FF64DEA8C3121B4DD054E12@VlackTK121647>
images attached. The Triumph area is at the top center of the larger aerial photo, little blue roof is the grey roof in the other photo.
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From vfracing at aol.com Wed Jun 27 18:40:56 2018
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 20:40:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
References: <56474DD4-DC31-417B-B423-C469A2AAAE69@aol.com>
<DEDBA794-6F85-4B86-B292-72F9E44AC212@me.com>
<05184D5E3FF64DEA8C3121B4DD054E12@VlackTK121647>
Thank you!
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 27, 2018, at 4:23 PM, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> The photo might have come from me but perhaps one of the Dolans sent that out. I?ll try to find it and send it again. It?s also on the PVGP site at the Pitt Race Tab and the Kastner Cup tab.
> JVV
>
> From: Scott Janzen via Fot
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 12:06 PM
> To: Phil Gott ; Michael Moore
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
>
> Somebody circulated a message in the last few days with an aerial photo of the paddock and an area circled - I can?t find it, but there will be a Triumph hospitality tent near the bathrooms in the center of the paddock, on the side away from the track. There was an area on the grass marked next to it for the Triumph street car crowd. I assume the racers will generally set up near the tent.
>
> Could someone recirculate that photo?
>
> On Jun 27, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Will there be a Triumph corral at PIR? I?ve not been there before but hope we can paddock together to put faces with the names on the list.
> Phil Gott
> 114 TR4A
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Jun 27 19:11:36 2018
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 21:11:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
References: <56474DD4-DC31-417B-B423-C469A2AAAE69@aol.com>
<DEDBA794-6F85-4B86-B292-72F9E44AC212@me.com>
<05184D5E3FF64DEA8C3121B4DD054E12@VlackTK121647>
<58A0663C-38AB-46A9-BF33-958D2160E7B0@me.com>
Will we be paddocked on grass or asphault?
Thanks, Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Janzen via Fot
To: Jerry Van Vlack
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
images attached. The Triumph area is at the top center of the larger aerial photo, little blue roof is the grey roof in the other photo.
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From rbtr3a at cox.net Thu Jun 28 07:31:10 2018
From: rbtr3a at cox.net (rbtr3a at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 09:31:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Bore gauge
You engine builders I have a question?
I?m looking for a bore gauge.
I know mityotoyo and Starret are the bench marks. But looking for opinions on other less expensive brands.
Ronnie
From Bill at ponostyle.com Thu Jun 28 08:07:13 2018
From: Bill at ponostyle.com (Bill)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 07:07:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Bore gauge
References: <6D07459C-FE14-4DF7-83C4-CEED7E5D5E43@cox.net>
I generally used a telescoping gauge plus a micrometer?because that?s what I had. Not super accurate and it requires some care and experience to use it. I bought a cheap bore gauge set called ?Anytime? from Amazon, and it?s marginally better than my telescoping gauges in that I can fiddle with it to find the largest diameter with the gauge in place. Calibration is an issue. I think it was a hundred bucks. When I was looking for a gauge last year I was surprised at the price for Mitutoyo. $350 for the simple one, and up quickly from there. I don?t think I?d use the ?Anytime? to bore cylinders, but for checking it?s fine. Then again I used to use telescope gauges to bore cylinders and I can?t get the same result twice in a row with them.
> On Jun 28, 2018, at 6:31 AM, rbtr3a--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> You engine builders I have a question?
> I?m looking for a bore gauge.
> I know mityotoyo and Starret are the bench marks. But looking for opinions on other less expensive brands.
> Ronnie
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Jun 28 09:32:10 2018
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 11:32:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Bore gauge
References: <6D07459C-FE14-4DF7-83C4-CEED7E5D5E43@cox.net>
Ronnie, I have a nice used Sterrett 84 111 5 with the original wooden box
and extra attachments.
Starrett will sell you one for about $950!
I'll sell you this one for WAY less than that.
Give me a call at 814 398-2908.
Cheers, Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "rbtr3a--- via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 9:31 AM
Subject: [Fot] Bore gauge
>
> You engine builders I have a question?
> I?m looking for a bore gauge.
> I know mityotoyo and Starret are the bench marks. But looking for opinions
> on other less expensive brands.
> Ronnie
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From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Jun 28 10:00:37 2018
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 12:00:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Bore gauge
References: <6D07459C-FE14-4DF7-83C4-CEED7E5D5E43@cox.net>
Machine shops are saavy and have the stuff. They could do it for you.
Or
?Buy good stuff once and cry once? . Repeatable accuracy is critical.
MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616
Fax 626.628.3777
Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471
T FFL 6,7 SOT 2
On Thursday, June 28, 2018, rbtr3a--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
You engine builders I have a question? I?m looking for a bore gauge. I know mityotoyo and Starret are the bench marks. But looking for opinions on other less expensive brands. Ronnie _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net
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From riverside at southslope.net Thu Jun 28 10:11:25 2018
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 11:11:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Bore gauge
References: <6D07459C-FE14-4DF7-83C4-CEED7E5D5E43@cox.net>
<37CBD575256444C9AFDF209C0B7CBA26@hpd530>
I like the old Fowlers but being unable to find one I bought
a new Fowler off ebay for gentle money. It is nothing
like the old ones - it is a cheap piece but for the casual
user will give you accurate results if not easy manipuulation.
art d
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Tobin via Fot
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 10:32 AM
To: rbtr3a at cox.net ; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Bore gauge
Ronnie, I have a nice used Sterrett 84 111 5 with the original wooden box
and extra attachments.
Starrett will sell you one for about $950!
I'll sell you this one for WAY less than that.
Give me a call at 814 398-2908.
Cheers, Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "rbtr3a--- via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 9:31 AM
Subject: [Fot] Bore gauge
>
> You engine builders I have a question?
> I?m looking for a bore gauge.
> I know mityotoyo and Starret are the bench marks. But looking for opinions
> on other less expensive brands.
> Ronnie
> _______________________________________________
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Jun 28 13:38:40 2018
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (JAMES GRAY)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 13:38:40 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] Bore gauge
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<164471ffe07-c90-acb@webjas-vab037.srv.aolmail.net>
I agree with Mordy but will add even with a top quality tool you still need to practice with it until you can repeat the result consistently.
jim g
> On June 28, 2018 at 10:00 AM Mordy Dunst via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Machine shops are saavy and have the stuff. They could do it for you.
>
> Or
>
> ?Buy good stuff once and cry once? . Repeatable accuracy is critical.
>
> MDunsthttp://Headgasket.com 626.358.1616
> Fax 626.628.3777
> Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471
> T FFL 6,7 SOT 2
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> On Thursday, June 28, 2018, rbtr3a--- via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
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> > > You engine builders I have a question? I?m looking for a bore gauge. I know mityotoyo and Starret are the bench marks. But looking for opinions on other less expensive brands. Ronnie _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net
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From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Jun 28 16:47:04 2018
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 18:47:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Bore gauge
References: <37CBD575256444C9AFDF209C0B7CBA26@hpd530>
You would also need a known precision calibrating ring. They are available on eBay. Get one very close to whatever diameter you are measuring.
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On Thursday, June 28, 2018, Bill Tobin via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Ronnie, I have a nice used Sterrett 84 111 5 with the original wooden box and extra attachments. Starrett will sell you one for about $950! I'll sell you this one for WAY less than that. Give me a call at 814 398-2908. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "rbtr3a--- via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net> To: <fot at autox.team.net> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 9:31 AM Subject: [Fot] Bore gauge > > You engine builders I have a question? > I?m looking for a bore gauge. > I know mityotoyo and Starret are the bench marks. But looking for opinions > on other less expensive brands. > Ronnie > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net
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From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jun 28 20:14:06 2018
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 21:14:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
References: <56474DD4-DC31-417B-B423-C469A2AAAE69@aol.com>
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<05184D5E3FF64DEA8C3121B4DD054E12@VlackTK121647>
<58A0663C-38AB-46A9-BF33-958D2160E7B0@me.com>
<C1738F0C4F1E42878297B35B165DBFBC@hpd530>
I know I'd be much happier with a spot on the grass.? I'll be arriving
Wed evening and doing the Thur practice day.
Tony Drews
On 6/27/2018 8:11 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote:
> Will we be paddocked on grass or asphault?
> Thanks, Bill
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From biznzman at pacbell.net Fri Jun 29 04:37:05 2018
From: biznzman at pacbell.net (Steve Borowski)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 06:37:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Painting the TR4 Racer
It won?t make Kastner Cup this year, but we?re making process.
Thought you might enjoy the short film.
All the following in one long day.
1st Self eching primer spots
2nd final light primer whole car
3rd white base coat whole car
4th yellow color coats whole car
5th clear coats whole car
40 minutes between each coat
Steve & Son Mat
Florida TR4 Racer
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From jdolan at voyagerhldgs.com Fri Jun 29 08:54:15 2018
From: jdolan at voyagerhldgs.com (James J Dolan)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 14:54:15 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
References: <56474DD4-DC31-417B-B423-C469A2AAAE69@aol.com>
<DEDBA794-6F85-4B86-B292-72F9E44AC212@me.com>
<05184D5E3FF64DEA8C3121B4DD054E12@VlackTK121647>
<58A0663C-38AB-46A9-BF33-958D2160E7B0@me.com>
<C1738F0C4F1E42878297B35B165DBFBC@hpd530>
<7d18ad36-c6b9-62f6-85d6-3bce6b2e9791@tonydrews.com>
All paddock space is on new asphalt at PittRace.
There is nor grass paddock to my knowledge.
The K Cup tent is on grass, but that is the only spot
jim
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 10:34 PM
To: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
I know I'd be much happier with a spot on the grass. I'll be arriving Wed evening and doing the Thur practice day.
Tony Drews
On 6/27/2018 8:11 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote:
Will we be paddocked on grass or asphault?
Thanks, Bill
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From sjanzen at me.com Fri Jun 29 09:08:05 2018
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 11:08:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
References: <56474DD4-DC31-417B-B423-C469A2AAAE69@aol.com>
<DEDBA794-6F85-4B86-B292-72F9E44AC212@me.com>
<05184D5E3FF64DEA8C3121B4DD054E12@VlackTK121647>
<58A0663C-38AB-46A9-BF33-958D2160E7B0@me.com>
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<9EE2A1A6-73B5-4161-A92D-79AE1B313384@voyagerhldgs.com>
also, despite the generally great facilities, most of the paddock does not have electric hook-ups unless they?ve installed them since last year.
On Jun 29, 2018, at 10:54 AM, James J Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
All paddock space is on new asphalt at PittRace.
There is nor grass paddock to my knowledge.
The K Cup tent is on grass, but that is the only spot
jim
Date: Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
I know I'd be much happier with a spot on the grass. I'll be arriving Wed evening and doing the Thur practice day.
Tony Drews
On 6/27/2018 8:11 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote:
Will we be paddocked on grass or asphault?
Thanks, Bill
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From jdolan at voyagerhldgs.com Fri Jun 29 09:15:17 2018
From: jdolan at voyagerhldgs.com (James J Dolan)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 15:15:17 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
References: <56474DD4-DC31-417B-B423-C469A2AAAE69@aol.com>
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<05184D5E3FF64DEA8C3121B4DD054E12@VlackTK121647>
<58A0663C-38AB-46A9-BF33-958D2160E7B0@me.com>
<C1738F0C4F1E42878297B35B165DBFBC@hpd530>
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<9EE2A1A6-73B5-4161-A92D-79AE1B313384@voyagerhldgs.com>
<FBD4D674-C87E-45DE-B731-59E7A9710745@me.com>
There are more power points than last year, but nowhere near enough, and all are rented will the snow was still falling.
From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
Date: Friday, June 29, 2018 at 11:08 AM
To: James Dolan <jdolan at voyagerhldgs.com>
Cc: Tony Drews Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>, 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
also, despite the generally great facilities, most of the paddock does not have electric hook-ups unless they?ve installed them since last year.
All paddock space is on new asphalt at PittRace.
There is nor grass paddock to my knowledge.
The K Cup tent is on grass, but that is the only spot
jim
Date: Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
I know I'd be much happier with a spot on the grass. I'll be arriving Wed evening and doing the Thur practice day.
Tony Drews
On 6/27/2018 8:11 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote:
Will we be paddocked on grass or asphault?
Thanks, Bill
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From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jun 29 09:35:01 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 11:35:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
I'll be in Alaska that week end, so I probably do not get a vote. If I did, I'd vote to move the tent, so Tony could be on grass. I'm a Tony Drews groupie.
Bill Dentinger
PS GRASS is legal now in Nevada. My wife Shirley has a dealer. She bought some. Of course, the kind she bought has the stuff that makes you high removed. The stuff she bought is for pain relief., some of which she claims was caused by me.
-----Original Message-----
From: James J Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Jun 29, 2018 8:02 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
All paddock space is on new asphalt at PittRace.
There is nor grass paddock to my knowledge.
The K Cup tent is on grass, but that is the only spot
jim
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 10:34 PM
To: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
I know I'd be much happier with a spot on the grass. I'll be arriving Wed evening and doing the Thur practice day.
Tony Drews
On 6/27/2018 8:11 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote:
Will we be paddocked on grass or asphault?
Thanks, Bill
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From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Jun 29 10:19:54 2018
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 16:19:54 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
References: <56474DD4-DC31-417B-B423-C469A2AAAE69@aol.com>
<DEDBA794-6F85-4B86-B292-72F9E44AC212@me.com>
<05184D5E3FF64DEA8C3121B4DD054E12@VlackTK121647>
<58A0663C-38AB-46A9-BF33-958D2160E7B0@me.com>
<C1738F0C4F1E42878297B35B165DBFBC@hpd530>
<7d18ad36-c6b9-62f6-85d6-3bce6b2e9791@tonydrews.com>
<9EE2A1A6-73B5-4161-A92D-79AE1B313384@voyagerhldgs.com>
<FBD4D674-C87E-45DE-B731-59E7A9710745@me.com>,
<33BDEB1E-A87A-42F9-BEB7-B921CF7A08A4@voyagerhldgs.com>
I think they were claimed way before the snow fell. I tried to get a spot in the south paddock two weeks after the last PVGP and those were all claimed by some German call group.
Marty
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: James J Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: 6/29/18 12:14 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
There are more power points than last year, but nowhere near enough, and all are rented will the snow was still falling.
From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
Date: Friday, June 29, 2018 at 11:08 AM
To: James Dolan <jdolan at voyagerhldgs.com>
Cc: Tony Drews Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>, 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
also, despite the generally great facilities, most of the paddock does not have electric hook-ups unless they?ve installed them since last year.
All paddock space is on new asphalt at PittRace.
There is nor grass paddock to my knowledge.
The K Cup tent is on grass, but that is the only spot
jim
Date: Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph corral at the Pittsburgh Historics?
I know I'd be much happier with a spot on the grass. I'll be arriving Wed evening and doing the Thur practice day.
Tony Drews
On 6/27/2018 8:11 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote:
Will we be paddocked on grass or asphault?
Thanks, Bill
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From timmmurphh at gmail.com Sat Jun 30 12:50:50 2018
From: timmmurphh at gmail.com (timmmurphh at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2018 13:50:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mounting Hoosier Speedsters on rims
I just had a new set of Hoosier Speedsters mounted on the Revolution rims we
are using. The first shop I took them to could not get them to seat on the
rims. They were limited as to much air pressure they were allowed to use to
seat the tires on the rim. The second shop also had the same problem and
only got the tires to seat on the rims with 150 PSI air pressure. He set
the tire and wheel out side around the corner in case either exploded.
Fortunately, they didn't.
We have been using the Hoosier Speedsters in 205/60R-15 on these wheels for
about 10 years and this is the first time we have had this problem. Did
they change the design of the bead on the tires and has anybody else had
this problem? The second shop thought it might be the design of the wheel,
but like I said, we've used these wheels for about 10 years with these
Hoosiers. I'd be interested if anyone has had a set of the 205/60R-15
mounted on the Panasport wheels and if they had problems.
For a while there it looked like we wouldn't make the Kcup because we
couldn't get the tires on the wheels! The tires this new set replaced were
from September last year and they were also the same size Hoosiers. No
problem mounting them last year.
Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on my problem.
Tim Murphy
#317 TR4
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From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jun 30 14:52:26 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2018 16:52:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mounting Hoosier Speedsters on rims
References: <00a201d410a3$4877ee40$d967cac0$@gmail.com>
Tim...
Shouldn?t you be talking to HOOSIER? They used to be great with their Customer Service.
Bill
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
On Saturday, June 30, 2018, timmmurphh--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
I just had a new set of Hoosier Speedsters mounted on the Revolution rims we are using. The first shop I took them to could not get them to seat on the rims. They were limited as to much air pressure they were allowed to use to seat the tires on the rim. The second shop also had the same problem and only got the tires to seat on the rims with 150 PSI air pressure. He set the tire and wheel out side around the corner in case either exploded. Fortunately, they didn?t.
We have been using the Hoosier Speedsters in 205/60R-15 on these wheels for about 10 years and this is the first time we have had this problem. Did they change the design of the bead on the tires and has anybody else had this problem? The second shop thought it might be the design of the wheel, but like I said, we?ve used these wheels for about 10 years with these Hoosiers. I?d be interested if anyone has had a set of the 205/60R-15 mounted on the Panasport wheels and if they had problems.
For a while there it looked like we wouldn?t make the Kcup because we couldn?t get the tires on the wheels! The tires this new set replaced were from September last year and they were also the same size Hoosiers. No problem mounting them last year.
Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on my problem.
Tim Murphy
#317 TR4
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From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Jun 30 15:50:57 2018
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2018 21:50:57 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mounting Hoosier Speedsters on rims
References: <00a201d410a3$4877ee40$d967cac0$@gmail.com>,
<1645277e00f-c96-bd69@webjas-vad207.srv.aolmail.net>
That is really odd as the 15x6 Revolutions I had on my TR3 street car have always had 165/80 tires on them.
Terry Stetler
Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
________________________________
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 4:52:26 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mounting Hoosier Speedsters on rims
Tim...
Shouldn?t you be talking to HOOSIER? They used to be great with their Customer Service.
Bill
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
On Saturday, June 30, 2018, timmmurphh--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
I just had a new set of Hoosier Speedsters mounted on the Revolution rims we are using. The first shop I took them to could not get them to seat on the rims. They were limited as to much air pressure they were allowed to use to seat the tires on the rim. The second shop also had the same problem and only got the tires to seat on the rims with 150 PSI air pressure. He set the tire and wheel out side around the corner in case either exploded. Fortunately, they didn?t.
We have been using the Hoosier Speedsters in 205/60R-15 on these wheels for about 10 years and this is the first time we have had this problem. Did they change the design of the bead on the tires and has anybody else had this problem? The second shop thought it might be the design of the wheel, but like I said, we?ve used these wheels for about 10 years with these Hoosiers. I?d be interested if anyone has had a set of the 205/60R-15 mounted on the Panasport wheels and if they had problems.
For a while there it looked like we wouldn?t make the Kcup because we couldn?t get the tires on the wheels! The tires this new set replaced were from September last year and they were also the same size Hoosiers. No problem mounting them last year.
Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on my problem.
Tim Murphy
#317 TR4
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From vfracing at aol.com Sat Jun 30 19:12:13 2018
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2018 21:12:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mounting Hoosier Speedsters on rims
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We?ve had mixed results. Sometimes Hoosiers have required up to 90 psi on 15x7 steel rims, other times only 45 psi needed. The lower pressure was all that was needed to mount 226-45-15 tired on 15x6 revolutions. It probably depends on how much lubricant is used would be my guess
Phil
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> On Jun 30, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> That is really odd as the 15x6 Revolutions I had on my TR3 street car have always had 165/80 tires on them.
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> Terry Stetler
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> Tim...
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> Shouldn?t you be talking to HOOSIER? They used to be great with their Customer Service.
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> Bill
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> On Saturday, June 30, 2018, timmmurphh--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> I just had a new set of Hoosier Speedsters mounted on the Revolution rims we are using. The first shop I took them to could not get them to seat on the rims. They were limited as to much air pressure they were allowed to use to seat the tires on the rim. The second shop also had the same problem and only got the tires to seat on the rims with 150 PSI air pressure. He set the tire and wheel out side around the corner in case either exploded. Fortunately, they didn?t.
>
> We have been using the Hoosier Speedsters in 205/60R-15 on these wheels for about 10 years and this is the first time we have had this problem. Did they change the design of the bead on the tires and has anybody else had this problem? The second shop thought it might be the design of the wheel, but like I said, we?ve used these wheels for about 10 years with these Hoosiers. I?d be interested if anyone has had a set of the 205/60R-15 mounted on the Panasport wheels and if they had problems.
>
> For a while there it looked like we wouldn?t make the Kcup because we couldn?t get the tires on the wheels! The tires this new set replaced were from September last year and they were also the same size Hoosiers. No problem mounting them last year.
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> Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on my problem.
>
> Tim Murphy
> #317 TR4
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From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat Jun 30 20:10:32 2018
From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2018 22:10:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mounting Hoosier Speedsters on rims
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Sixty five years ago, I worked in a tire changing store in Bethesda, Maryland. This was tire irons and rubber hammer stuff - before tire changing machines. All tires had tubes and we didn?t even take the wheel off the car. Absolutely the shitiest job in the world. With a recalcitrant tire fitting a reluctant bead, we would swash the tire with soapy water and, voila, it would pop right in. No soapy water, no poppie beady.
I?d tell you how quickly an experienced man with tire irons can change a tire if you don?t take the wheel off, but you would not believe me.
Richard
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> On Jun 30, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> That is really odd as the 15x6 Revolutions I had on my TR3 street car have always had 165/80 tires on them.
>
> Terry Stetler
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> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 4:52:26 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Mounting Hoosier Speedsters on rims
>
> Tim...
>
> Shouldn?t you be talking to HOOSIER? They used to be great with their Customer Service.
>
> Bill
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
> On Saturday, June 30, 2018, timmmurphh--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> I just had a new set of Hoosier Speedsters mounted on the Revolution rims we are using. The first shop I took them to could not get them to seat on the rims. They were limited as to much air pressure they were allowed to use to seat the tires on the rim. The second shop also had the same problem and only got the tires to seat on the rims with 150 PSI air pressure. He set the tire and wheel out side around the corner in case either exploded. Fortunately, they didn?t.
>
> We have been using the Hoosier Speedsters in 205/60R-15 on these wheels for about 10 years and this is the first time we have had this problem. Did they change the design of the bead on the tires and has anybody else had this problem? The second shop thought it might be the design of the wheel, but like I said, we?ve used these wheels for about 10 years with these Hoosiers. I?d be interested if anyone has had a set of the 205/60R-15 mounted on the Panasport wheels and if they had problems.
>
> For a while there it looked like we wouldn?t make the Kcup because we couldn?t get the tires on the wheels! The tires this new set replaced were from September last year and they were also the same size Hoosiers. No problem mounting them last year.
>
> Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on my problem.
>
> Tim Murphy
> #317 TR4
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From billdentin at aol.com Tue Jun 19 19:09:57 2018
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 01:09:57 -0000
Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt on TV!
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Amen!
Bill
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On Tuesday, June 19, 2018, Kevin Potter <kdplep at gmail.com> wrote:
I too, thought the tribute portion was great.. Really, the best part of the episode.
It was a real cool thing to do for the next chapter in the life history of the Thunderbolt. I also agree with some of the above comments on the "staged" nature of the show, but like Kim said, its TV. We all know the efforts put forth by many, in the build of this car from day 1. Were it came from, went through at the track, the many times it was apart and back together, and what great machine it continues to be today. So a little BS from a guy that only knows what he was told, didn't really offend me at all. .... For me, personally, to see a car that I literally know EVERY nut and bolt in, it was kind of an honor..
Kim and Doug, I hope you continue to get all the enjoyment you have come to expect from the Thunderbolt. And as always, you know how contact me with any questions...
Kevin Potter
On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Douglas Allison <dpa796 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello Everyone,
Doug and I appreciate all the comments, opinions, and GENEROUS offers of help for the ThunderBolt.
I feel that a bit more explanation may clarify some things, however many of you have already commented on
the "drama" of TV.
When Doug initially contacted FantomWorks, he had several things that he wanted their help in sorting out.
This company has a one block by one block shop with all areas of engine, body, electrical, etc restoration capabilities all under one roof.
Doug was interested also in having the ThunderBolt showcased given its racing history, connection to Dad, and
unique status. He watches several auto shows and liked the way that FantomWorks features "stories" connected to the cars.
Our initial requests were many including the horn, seats, dash, tonneau cover, overdrive that was not functioning etc. The restoration on
the outside was already beautifully done and the mechanics were in mostly predictable shape for road driving given the
wonderful work of WI individuals who had connections already to the car.
We spent 2 days filming this show, one in September, and the other in late January. SO many things were filmed,
questions asked, stories told, etc that we were a bit surprised at what they featured on the program. When we arrived,
we were told that the "thought" they had fixed the problem with popping out of 2nd gear. Our test drive proved otherwise!
They had other ideas, but we were not willing to spend the money at that time to have everything pulled from the car again due to the high number of labor hours involved. Down the road, we may certainly pursue the kind offers and names given to us in previous emails to resolve the problem.
They actually fixed several things, created a beautiful tonneau cover that can be seen briefly on the car during the show, a correctly wired dash, (Doug clearly made some unsuccessful attempts at self wiring!!) The new dash is dazzling!!
The seats are far more comfortable with retractable seat belts and lumbar support. etc etc.The overdrive is also functioning.
We sere very surprised that the issue of the 2nd gear popping out was featured prominently since it was not successful and several other items on our list were????? This was NOT our main objective anyway, just one on the list.
For clarification, We did NOT tell him that the undercarriage was a TR3!!! That's ridiculous!!
Sadly, one of my favorite things that surfaced during the filming and was not featured in the actual show was how
wonderfully engineered the car was. They made a point of telling us how wonderfully engineered the car was, and EVERY
person that worked on the car told us personally aside how much they LOVED it. We made a point of giving the history of the ThunderBolt and Tornado cars, Dad and Bill's racing history as partners in the car, the 111 race events it had under its belt,
and how much the car means to our family. Much of this was left out however I was very pleased with the beautiful tribute to Dad at the beginning of the show.
End result: Reality TV is Reality TV! It was a very interesting adventure for us and one that Doug can cross off his bucket list.
We are not disgruntled with the whole experience, however, many of you nailed it when describing the host of the show.
He can be a difficult man, and always appears grumpy and opinionated on the show. He's a bit nicer in person.
The best news: The ThunderBolt continues to be a family treasure. The car turns heads everywhere and stops people in their tracks when we drive by. I can continue to say proudly that it is my Father's Legacy and has VERY personal meaning to myself and the family. I can tell by many of these comments in the emails Bill has forwarded to us that it means something to all of you also and that you treasure Dad's memories as well. Thank you all for that. We miss him terribly and getting in that
beautiful car feels like a hug from Dad to me.
~Best to All~
Kim (and Doug) Allison
wiallisons at hotmail.com
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Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 9:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Thunderbolt on TV!
Your take is pretty comman amongst the Tbolt Fold. I cut the FantomWorks Host some slack, thinking...that's just 'business'. His comments concerning the car as a race car seemed reasonably even handed. I do not think he favored the conversion. I was not put off by his comments on wiring or fuel lines. The car got a complete go-over between events. We never had a fire.
Bill
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On Friday, June 15, 2018, Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
I just watched the Fantom Works program that featured the T-Bolt.
It was great to see that car on TV and hear it run. I got pretty emotional when the family picture of Bob Wismer came on the TV.
I do need to say that the ?Star? of that program, the garage owner, is a complete jerk. (I?m being very polite. He?s a total douchebag!) They couldn?t figure out how to rebuild the gearbox? They were totally surprised and disappointed that the car did not have a TR3 chassis? Also, the electrical fire was obviously staged, who rewires the dash with the battery connected? I think they create this fake conflict to create drama for ratings. It was a great car, built by some of the best restorers around.
~Steve
On Jun 14, 2018, at 4:25 AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Very cool to see the old Thunderbolt on the TV!
It brings back some good memories...
Glen
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Sent: Wed, Jun 13, 2018 7:09 pm
Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt on TV!
FOTers,
If you have TV service that gets the Velocity channel, look for the episode of FantomWorks that aired a new episode last night.
It is episode number 57 and is titled "Busted Knuckle".
Within the first 5 minutes you will be introduced to the very rare and famous TR powered Thunderbolt owned and raced by our very own Bob Wismer and Bill Dentinger. In fact, you will see one of his daughters and her husband that now own it. I've had the privilege of being on track with that voluptuous car many times over the years.
Sandy wasnt here to watch it with me so I'm saving it for later today when we are both available.
Mike Jackson - TR3
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