Subject: Re: [TR] Non TR - XK8's and Boxsters

From: "dave n" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 12:27:04 -0600

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my brother has a boxter.  I think its an early one.  I also think =
it=E2=80=99s a lousy car.  slow.  it does handle well, though.  he also =
says that the moment he walks in a dealership its $1,000, and parts =
start at $100.  that=E2=80=99s why they are so cheap now; the =
maintenance on any German car will kill you.

this is a little off topic, but I=E2=80=99ve been looking at 370Zs.  I =
think it=E2=80=99s a fabulous car for the money, and comes in a =
convertible and manual transmission.  my daughter had a 350z, and I =
really loved that car.  I don=E2=80=99t think either will ever be worth =
much.

and, to continue totally off topic, I have always had a hankering for =
the 85 Toyota Celica convertible; the last of the rear wheel drive =
Celicas.  I looked at one new back in 85.  those were the days of the =
limits of japanese car imports, so dealers were putting on $5,000 called =
ADM  (added dealer markup) and getting it.  that car stickered back then =
at $24,000.  yikes!!!

I recently test drove one outside of Philadelphia.  today its an out of =
date boxy looking slow car.  worth about $5k.  I=E2=80=99m glad I test =
drove it because now I don=E2=80=99t want one anymore . . .

From: Bill Brewer=20
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:47 AM
To: [email-masked]=20
Subject: [TR] Non TR - XK8's and Boxsters

     I periodically think about what will be the next classic, the car I =
should have bought at the bottom of the depreciation cycle. Lots of =
things I wanted to buy in the past have shot or are shooting out of my =
range. I remember looking at Aston Martin DB4=E2=80=99s for under $20K =
and Ferrari 250GT=E2=80=99s for around $40K. I had a friend pick up a =
246 Dino that was like new for $23K in 1989.

     I have been watching Jag XK8 prices and Porsche Boxster prices and =
am amazed at how low they are getting. Clean Jags are around 8 or $10K =
and Boxsters are going for between 6 and $10K. I know that the Jags have =
timing tensioner issues and Nikasil cylinder coating problems that pop =
up at about 80,000 miles and that appears to be about the time people =
try to sell them. What about Boxsters? Lots of them are for sale with =
about 100,000 miles on them. Are they ticking time bombs on maintenance? =
Do any listers have experiences with XK8=E2=80=99s or Boxsters as their =
=E2=80=9Creal=E2=80=9D car?

     My current work car is giving up the ghost and the wife wants me to =
buy a newer car, preferably an almost new Mazda 6 GT. Me being me, I =
have been looking at Lotus Elises, Lotus Elan +2=E2=80=99s, AM =
DB7=E2=80=99s, Jag XK8=E2=80=99s and Boxsters=E2=80=A6

     What do you think?

     Happy Thanksgiving,

=20

     -Bill in Tehachapi

     1952 Triumph Renown

     1953 Morgan +4 Flat Rad

     1960 TR3A

     1974 TR6

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<DIV>my brother has a boxter.&nbsp; I think its an early one.&nbsp; I =
also think=20
it=E2=80=99s a lousy car.&nbsp; slow.&nbsp; it does handle well, =
though.&nbsp; he also=20
says that the moment he walks in a dealership its $1,000, and parts =
start at=20
$100.&nbsp; that=E2=80=99s why they are so cheap now; the maintenance on =
any German car=20
will kill you.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>this is a little off topic, but I=E2=80=99ve been looking at =
370Zs.&nbsp; I think=20
it=E2=80=99s a fabulous car for the money, and comes in a convertible =
and manual=20
transmission.&nbsp; my daughter had a 350z, and I really loved that =
car.&nbsp; I=20
don=E2=80=99t think either will ever be worth much.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>and, to continue totally off topic, I have always had a hankering =
for the=20
85 Toyota Celica convertible; the last of the rear wheel drive =
Celicas.&nbsp; I=20
looked at one new back in 85.&nbsp; those were the days of the limits of =

japanese car imports, so dealers were putting on $5,000 called ADM&nbsp; =
(added=20
dealer markup) and getting it.&nbsp; that car stickered back then at=20
$24,000.&nbsp; yikes!!!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I recently test drove one outside of Philadelphia.&nbsp; today its =
an out=20
of date boxy looking slow car.&nbsp; worth about $5k.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m =
glad I test=20
drove it because now I don=E2=80=99t want one anymore . . .</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]>Bill=20
Brewer</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:47 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]>[email-masked]</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [TR] Non TR - XK8's and Boxsters</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I periodically think =
about what=20
will be the next classic, the car I should have bought at the bottom of =
the=20
depreciation cycle. Lots of things I wanted to buy in the past have shot =
or are=20
shooting out of my range. I remember looking at Aston Martin =
DB4=E2=80=99s for under=20
$20K and Ferrari 250GT=E2=80=99s for around $40K. I had a friend pick up =
a 246 Dino that=20
was like new for $23K in 1989.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have been watching =
Jag XK8=20
prices and Porsche Boxster prices and am amazed at how low they are =
getting.=20
Clean Jags are around 8 or $10K and Boxsters are going for between 6 and =
$10K. I=20
know that the Jags have timing tensioner issues and Nikasil cylinder =
coating=20
problems that pop up at about 80,000 miles and that appears to be about =
the time=20
people try to sell them. What about Boxsters? Lots of them are for sale =
with=20
about 100,000 miles on them. Are they ticking time bombs on maintenance? =
Do any=20
listers have experiences with XK8=E2=80=99s or Boxsters as their =
=E2=80=9Creal=E2=80=9D=20
car?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; My current work car =
is giving=20
up the ghost and the wife wants me to buy a newer car, preferably an =
almost new=20
Mazda 6 GT. Me being me, I have been looking at Lotus Elises, Lotus Elan =
+2=E2=80=99s,=20
AM DB7=E2=80=99s, Jag XK8=E2=80=99s and =
Boxsters=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; What do you=20
think?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Happy=20
Thanksgiving,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -Bill in=20
Tehachapi<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1952 Triumph=20
Renown<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1953 Morgan +4 Flat=20
Rad<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1960=20
TR3A<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1974=20
TR6<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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I'll weigh in with my thoughts. In 1998 I test drove  a boxster and thought i=
t was ok, wanted to drive the Mercedes SLK but they didn't have one in stock=
. Shortly after that I read that Honda was coming out with a new two seater.=
 Having bought a couple of Accords from the same salesman, I bugged him unti=
l I ended up getting one of the first S2000's in Orlando. Seventeen years la=
ter it's still awesome. I've had to replace passenger side window motor, clu=
tch master cylinder, and the radiator. No other issues. I did replace the pl=
astic windowed top with a glass rear windowed one. Only made for ten years a=
nd available. I like the new Jag F type convertible, but need them to come w=
ay down in price. Until then I just keep driving the S2000 and loving it
Tom Fansher=20
1960 TR3A
1961 TR3A
1962 TR4
1973 Stag Mark II

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 24, 2016, at 1:27 PM, dave n <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> my brother has a boxter.  I think its an early one.  I also think it=E2=80=
=99s a lousy car.  slow.  it does handle well, though.  he also says that th=
e moment he walks in a dealership its $1,000, and parts start at $100.  that=
=E2=80=99s why they are so cheap now; the maintenance on any German car will=
 kill you.
> =20
> this is a little off topic, but I=E2=80=99ve been looking at 370Zs.  I thi=
nk it=E2=80=99s a fabulous car for the money, and comes in a convertible and=
 manual transmission.  my daughter had a 350z, and I really loved that car. =
 I don=E2=80=99t think either will ever be worth much.
> =20
> and, to continue totally off topic, I have always had a hankering for the 8=
5 Toyota Celica convertible; the last of the rear wheel drive Celicas.  I lo=
oked at one new back in 85.  those were the days of the limits of japanese c=
ar imports, so dealers were putting on $5,000 called ADM  (added dealer mark=
up) and getting it.  that car stickered back then at $24,000.  yikes!!!
> =20
> I recently test drove one outside of Philadelphia.  today its an out of da=
te boxy looking slow car.  worth about $5k.  I=E2=80=99m glad I test drove i=
t because now I don=E2=80=99t want one anymore . . .
> From: Bill Brewer
> To: [email-masked]
>      I periodically think about what will be the next classic, the car I s=
hould have bought at the bottom of the depreciation cycle. Lots of things I w=
anted to buy in the past have shot or are shooting out of my range. I rememb=
er looking at Aston Martin DB4=E2=80=99s for under $20K and Ferrari 250GT=E2=
=80=99s for around $40K. I had a friend pick up a 246 Dino that was like new=
 for $23K in 1989.
>      I have been watching Jag XK8 prices and Porsche Boxster prices and am=
 amazed at how low they are getting. Clean Jags are around 8 or $10K and Box=
sters are going for between 6 and $10K. I know that the Jags have timing ten=
sioner issues and Nikasil cylinder coating problems that pop up at about 80,=
000 miles and that appears to be about the time people try to sell them. Wha=
t about Boxsters? Lots of them are for sale with about 100,000 miles on them=
. Are they ticking time bombs on maintenance? Do any listers have experience=
s with XK8=E2=80=99s or Boxsters as their =E2=80=9Creal=E2=80=9D car?
>      My current work car is giving up the ghost and the wife wants me to b=
uy a newer car, preferably an almost new Mazda 6 GT. Me being me, I have bee=
n looking at Lotus Elises, Lotus Elan +2=E2=80=99s, AM DB7=E2=80=99s, Jag XK=
8=E2=80=99s and Boxsters=E2=80=A6
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I'll weigh in with my thoughts. In 199=
8 I test drove &nbsp;a boxster and thought it was ok, wanted to drive the Me=
rcedes SLK but they didn't have one in stock. Shortly after that I read that=
 Honda was coming out with a new two seater. Having bought a couple of Accor=
ds from the same salesman, I bugged him until I ended up getting one of the f=
irst S2000's in Orlando. Seventeen years later it's still awesome. I've had t=
o replace passenger side window motor, clutch master cylinder, and the radia=
tor. No other issues. I did replace the plastic windowed top with a glass re=
ar windowed one. Only made for ten years and available. I like the new Jag F=
 type convertible, but need them to come way down in price. Until then I jus=
t keep driving the S2000 and loving it</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">T=
om Fansher&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">1960 TR3A</div><div id=3D=
"AppleMailSignature">1961 TR3A</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">1962 TR4<=
/div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">1973 Stag Mark II</div><div id=3D"AppleM=
ailSignature"><br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Nov 24, 2016, at 1=
:27 PM, dave n &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
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<div>my brother has a boxter.&nbsp; I think its an early one.&nbsp; I also t=
hink=20
it=E2=80=99s a lousy car.&nbsp; slow.&nbsp; it does handle well, though.&nbs=
p; he also=20
says that the moment he walks in a dealership its $1,000, and parts start at=
=20
$100.&nbsp; that=E2=80=99s why they are so cheap now; the maintenance on any=
 German car=20
will kill you.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>this is a little off topic, but I=E2=80=99ve been looking at 370Zs.&nbs=
p; I think=20
it=E2=80=99s a fabulous car for the money, and comes in a convertible and ma=
nual=20
transmission.&nbsp; my daughter had a 350z, and I really loved that car.&nbs=
p; I=20
don=E2=80=99t think either will ever be worth much.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>and, to continue totally off topic, I have always had a hankering for t=
he=20
85 Toyota Celica convertible; the last of the rear wheel drive Celicas.&nbsp=
; I=20
looked at one new back in 85.&nbsp; those were the days of the limits of=20
japanese car imports, so dealers were putting on $5,000 called ADM&nbsp; (ad=
ded=20
dealer markup) and getting it.&nbsp; that car stickered back then at=20
$24,000.&nbsp; yikes!!!</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I recently test drove one outside of Philadelphia.&nbsp; today its an o=
ut=20
of date boxy looking slow car.&nbsp; worth about $5k.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m glad=
 I test=20
drove it because now I don=E2=80=99t want one anymore . . .</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Ca=
libri&quot;; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLA=
Y: inline">
<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt tahoma">
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<div style=3D"font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"billbrewer59@yahoo=
.com">Bill=20
Brewer</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:47 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>=20
</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> [TR] Non TR - XK8's and Boxsters</div></div></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Ca=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"FONT=
-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I periodically think about what=20
will be the next classic, the car I should have bought at the bottom of the=20=

depreciation cycle. Lots of things I wanted to buy in the past have shot or a=
re=20
shooting out of my range. I remember looking at Aston Martin DB4=E2=80=99s f=
or under=20
$20K and Ferrari 250GT=E2=80=99s for around $40K. I had a friend pick up a 2=
46 Dino that=20
was like new for $23K in 1989.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"FONT=
-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have been watching Jag XK8=20
prices and Porsche Boxster prices and am amazed at how low they are getting.=
=20
Clean Jags are around 8 or $10K and Boxsters are going for between 6 and $10=
K. I=20
know that the Jags have timing tensioner issues and Nikasil cylinder coating=
=20
problems that pop up at about 80,000 miles and that appears to be about the t=
ime=20
people try to sell them. What about Boxsters? Lots of them are for sale with=
=20
about 100,000 miles on them. Are they ticking time bombs on maintenance? Do a=
ny=20
listers have experiences with XK8=E2=80=99s or Boxsters as their =E2=80=9Cre=
al=E2=80=9D=20
car?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"FONT=
-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; My current work car is giving=20
up the ghost and the wife wants me to buy a newer car, preferably an almost n=
ew=20
Mazda 6 GT. Me being me, I have been looking at Lotus Elises, Lotus Elan +2=E2=
=80=99s,=20
AM DB7=E2=80=99s, Jag XK8=E2=80=99s and Boxsters=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span><=
/font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"FONT=
-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; What do you=20
think?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"FONT=
-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Happy=20
Thanksgiving,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"FONT=
-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font>&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"FONT=
-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -Bill in=20
Tehachapi<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"FONT=
-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1952 Triumph=20
Renown<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"FONT=
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