Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 10" rear brakes

From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:20:58 -0700

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There are actually several different variations on the 10" brakes, you're
looking at the least well documented version.  If someone has a parts
diagram for it, I would like to have a copy!  (The SPC only lists the parts,
the illustrations are for other versions without that support pin.  I'm
trying to add some of the missing illustrations to the SPC.)

The pin just abuts the shoe, and in fact holds it in alignment with the
drum.  I believe there should be a little felt ring on the end (P/N 105671)
to hold a bit of lubricant at that point.  If the pin rusts and wears
enough, you can get a strange "clunk" that only happens a few seconds after
you take your foot off the brakes after stopping.  The worn pin lets the
shoes tilt inward, but they walk out to match the drum when you make a stop.
Then when released, fall back against the pins.  Took me a long time to find
that one!

IIRC the hole was to adjust the brakes, when that same drum (same P/N) was
used on Lockheed front brakes for TR2 and early TR3.  No use on a car with
Girling brakes that I've found.

I've seen a metal plug in that hole, I assume to help keep out dirt and
water, but it doesn't seem to be listed in the SPC.

-- Randall 

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From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Andrew
Uprichard
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:31 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] TR3 10" rear brakes

I have always dealt with 9" rear brakes, so help me out here:

The smaller brakes have a pin which comes through the shoes and is held in
place with a clip.  The 10" set-up appears to have a pin which screws in
from the outside and is secured with a nut.  Does this pin abut against the
shoe or should it go through ?

And while I am at it, what is the purpose of the hole in the drum?  Air
flow?  Cooling?  Access?

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, MI

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>There are actually several =
different
variations on the 10&quot; brakes, you're looking at the least well =
documented
version. &nbsp;If someone has a parts diagram for it, I would like to =
have a
copy!&nbsp; (The SPC only lists the parts, the illustrations are for =
other
versions without that support pin.&nbsp; I'm trying to add some of the =
missing
illustrations to the SPC.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The pin just abuts the shoe, and in =
fact
holds it in alignment with the drum. &nbsp;I believe there should be a =
little
felt ring on the end (P/N 105671) to hold a bit of lubricant at that =
point.&nbsp;
If the pin rusts and wears enough, you can get a strange =
&quot;clunk&quot; that
only happens a few seconds after you take your foot off the brakes after
stopping. &nbsp;The worn pin lets the shoes tilt inward, but they walk =
out to
match the drum when you make a stop. &nbsp;Then when released, fall back
against the pins.&nbsp; Took me a long time to find that =
one!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>IIRC the hole was to adjust the =
brakes,
when that same drum (same P/N) was used on Lockheed front brakes for TR2 =
and
early TR3.&nbsp; No use on a car with Girling brakes that I've =
found.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I've seen a metal plug in that =
hole, I
assume to help keep out dirt and water, but it doesn't seem to be listed =
in the
SPC.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:navy'>-- Randall </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
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[mailto:[email-masked]] <b><span =
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Behalf Of </span></b>Andrew Uprichard<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October =
20, 2016
2:31 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
[email-masked]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [TR] TR3 =
10&quot; rear
brakes</span></font><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>I
have always dealt with 9&#8221; rear brakes, so help me out =
here:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>The
smaller brakes have a pin which comes through the shoes and is held in =
place
with a clip.&nbsp; The 10&#8221; set-up appears to have a pin which =
screws in
from the outside and is secured with a nut.&nbsp; Does this pin abut =
against
the shoe or should it go through ?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>And
while I am at it, what is the purpose of the hole in the drum?&nbsp; Air
flow?&nbsp; Cooling?&nbsp; Access?<br>
<br>
Andrew Uprichard<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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  face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Jackson</span></font></st1:City>,
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Andrew -

My recollection of mine is that there is a pin that abuts against a show
but also securing pins with springs that get inserted through the shoe and
twisted a quarter turn to secure them.

But that said - I seem to recall that not all 10" drums used the same
arrangement.

I use the hole in the drum to look at the handbrake adjusting cog as I turn
it on the backside.  Lets me see how much adjustment is in play and also
confirm that it is correctly seated when done.

Geo

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Andrew -</div><div><br></div><div>My recollection of =
mine is that there is a pin that abuts against a show but also securing pin=
s with springs that get inserted through the shoe=C2=A0and twisted a quarte=
r turn to secure them.</div><div><br></div><div>But that said - I seem to r=
ecall that not all 10&quot; drums used the same arrangement.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>I use the hole in the drum to look at the handbrake adjusting co=
g as I turn it on the backside.=C2=A0 Lets me see how much adjustment is in=
 play and also confirm that it is correctly seated when done.</div><div><br=
></div><div>Geo</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Andrew Uprichard <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">aupric=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
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304524714668WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have always dealt with 9=
=E2=80=9D rear brakes, so help me out here:<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The smaller brakes =
have a pin which comes through the shoes and is held in place with a clip.=
=C2=A0 The 10=E2=80=9D set-up appears to have a pin which screws in from th=
e outside and is secured with a nut.=C2=A0 Does this pin abut against the s=
hoe or should it go through ?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></=
u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">And while I am at it, what is the=
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