Subject: Re: [TR] Weird Problem

From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:58:54 -0700

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Probably a bad connection somewhere, most likely one of the battery =
posts.

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There's a gizmo they sell at most auto parts stores that has two wire =
brushes, one for the posts and one for the clamps.  About $4 last time I =
noticed one.=20

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/SS01/01401/N0355.oap?ck=3DSearch=
_N0355_-1_3062&pt=3DN0355&ppt=3DC0061

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Remove both battery clamps and use the brushes to clean the mating =
surfaces until they are clean and bright, then put it back together.  =
Chances are good that will fix the problem.

=20

Of course, there are lots of other possibilities, including having left =
the lights on.  I would start my troubleshooting by turning on the light =
switch, and then connecting a test lamp or voltmeter/DMM directly across =
the tops of the battery terminals.  If you find juice there, the battery =
isn't the issue.

=20

I have had a battery fail that way (and in fact it "fixed itself" while =
I was carrying it to the store for replacement).  Evidently a broken =
conductor inside the case.  But it's not a common thing.

=20

And I can't count how many times I've seen it happen at a battery clamp. =
 When I was young, someone even showed me how to take a pocket knife and =
jam it into the juncture of clamp and post, for a (very) temporary =
repair.

=20

-- Randall=20

=20

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of

> anabil007

> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 9:32 AM

> To: TR3/6

> Subject: [TR] Weird Problem

>=20

> We drove Rosey (TR6) to Church yesterday, no problem, started easy, =
ran

> great.   This morning the car is completely DEAD =E2=80=A6 even the =
lights do not

> work.  I have to think =E2=80=9Cbad battery=E2=80=9D. but to happen so =
sudden?

>=20

> Any Ideas?

>=20

>=20

>=20

> "Life is too short to drive boring cars"

>=20

> Bill Pugh

> 1957 TR3 "Casper"=F0=9F=91=BB

> TS16765L

> Wallace, CA

> [email-masked]=F0=9F=90=94

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<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>Probably a bad connection somewhere, most likely one of the =
battery
posts.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>There's a gizmo they sell at most auto parts stores that has two =
wire
brushes, one for the posts and one for the clamps.=C2=A0 About $4 last =
time I noticed
one. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/SS01/01401/N0355.oap?ck=3D=
Search_N0355_-1_3062&amp;pt=3DN0355&amp;ppt=3DC0061<o:p></o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>Remove both battery clamps and use the brushes to clean the =
mating
surfaces until they are clean and bright, then put it back =
together.=C2=A0 Chances
are good that will fix the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>Of course, there are lots of other possibilities, including =
having left
the lights on.=C2=A0 I would start my troubleshooting by turning on the =
light
switch, and then connecting a test lamp or voltmeter/DMM directly across =
the
tops of the battery terminals.=C2=A0 If you find juice there, the =
battery isn't the
issue.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>I have had a battery fail that way (and in fact it &quot;fixed
itself&quot; while I was carrying it to the store for =
replacement).=C2=A0 Evidently
a broken conductor inside the case.=C2=A0 But it's not a common =
thing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>And I can't count how many times I've seen it happen at a =
battery
clamp.=C2=A0 When I was young, someone even showed me how to take a =
pocket knife and
jam it into the juncture of clamp and post, for a (very) temporary =
repair.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>-- Randall <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&gt; -----Original Message-----</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&gt; From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On =
Behalf
Of</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&gt; anabil007</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&gt; Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 9:32 AM</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&gt; To: TR3/6</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&gt; Subject: [TR] Weird Problem</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&gt; </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&gt; We drove Rosey (TR6) to Church yesterday, no problem, =
started
easy, ran</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&gt; great.=C2=A0=C2=A0 This morning the car is completely DEAD =
=E2=80=A6 even the lights
do not</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&gt; work.=C2=A0 I have to think =E2=80=9Cbad battery=E2=80=9D. =
but to happen so sudden?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&gt; </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&gt; Any Ideas?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&gt; </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&gt; &quot;Life is too short to drive boring =
cars&quot;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&gt; </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&gt; Bill Pugh</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&gt; 1957 TR3 &quot;<st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Casper</st1:place></st1:City>&quot;=F0=9F=91=BB</span></font>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&gt; TS16765L</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&gt; <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City =
w:st=3D"on">Wallace</st1:City>, <st1:State
 w:st=3D"on">CA</st1:State></st1:place></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&gt; [email-masked]=F0=9F=90=94</span></font></p>

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From: "Kinderlehrer" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 14:32:12 -0700

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It does remind of the time I drove into the garage after a trip, reached =
for the key to turn it off and just before I touched the key, it died. =
Turned out the ammeter failed. That was awhile ago, don=E2=80=99t =
remember if the lights worked or not or if I even tried them. Then there =
was the time just recently I loaded up my Toyota Highlander at COSTCO, =
went to start it and nothing. Slammed the hatch again and it started =
right up and I drove home without incident. Went to check it out and =
discovered a battery terminal was loose. Could be either of those =
things, easy enough to check out.

=20

Bob

=20

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
anabil007
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 9:32 AM
To: TR3/6
Subject: [TR] Weird Problem

=20

We drove Rosey (TR6) to Church yesterday, no problem, started easy, ran =
great.   This morning the car is completely DEAD =E2=80=A6 even the =
lights do not work.  I have to think =E2=80=9Cbad battery=E2=80=9D. but =
to happen so sudden? =20

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Any Ideas?

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Bill Pugh

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reached for the key to turn it off and just before I touched the key, it =
died. Turned out the ammeter failed. That was awhile ago, don=E2=80=99t =
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was the time just recently I loaded up my Toyota Highlander at COSTCO, =
went to start it and nothing. Slammed the hatch again and it started =
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discovered a battery terminal was loose. Could be either of those =
things, easy enough to check out.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>anabil007<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 10, 2016 9:32 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> TR3/6<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] Weird =
Problem<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>We drove =
Rosey (TR6) to Church yesterday, no problem, started easy, ran great. =
&nbsp; This morning the car is completely DEAD =E2=80=A6 even the lights =
do not work. &nbsp;I have to think =E2=80=9Cbad battery=E2=80=9D. but to =
happen so sudden? &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Any Ideas?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>&quot;Life is =
too short to drive boring cars&quot;<br><br>Bill Pugh<br>1957 TR3 =
&quot;Casper&quot;</span><span =
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 Dead battery is a very likely culprit. But have you tried jump-starting? I=
f so, and it starts, what does the ammeter (or voltmeter, whatever you have=
) show? Can you shut it off after a few minutes and then restart? Perhaps s=
ome light was left on, draining the battery? Alternatively, a major cable c=
onnection finally got dirty enough to prevent any current flow (happens a l=
ot).

Or the battery failed. :( (It can happen.)

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--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph H=
erald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Regi=
ster: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Heral=
d Database: http://triumph-herald.us
=20

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-----Original Message-----
From: anabil007 <[email-masked]>

We drove Rosey (TR6) to Church yesterday, no problem, started easy, ran gre=
at.   This morning the car is completely DEAD =E2=80=A6 even the lights do =
not work.  I have to think =E2=80=9Cbad battery=E2=80=9D. but to happen so =
sudden? =20

Any Ideas?

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<div> <font size=3D"3">Dead battery is a very likely culprit. But have you =
tried jump-starting? If so, and it starts, what does the ammeter (or voltme=
ter, whatever you have) show? Can you shut it off after a few minutes and t=
hen restart? Perhaps some light was left on, draining the battery? Alternat=
ively, a major cable connection finally got dirty enough to prevent any cur=
rent flow (happens a lot).<br>
<br>
Or the battery failed. :( (It can happen.)<br>
</font>
</div>

<div> <br>

</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"black" face=3D"arial">-=
-Andy Mace<br>

<br>

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?<br>

*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph H=
erald engine with wings.<br>

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Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Regi=
ster: http://www.vtr.org<br>

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to Church yesterday, no problem, started easy, ran great. &nbsp; This morni=
ng the car is completely DEAD =E2=80=A6 even the lights do not work. &nbsp;=
I have to think =E2=80=9Cbad battery=E2=80=9D. but to happen so sudden? &nb=
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