Subject: Re: [TR] Different (less stressfull?) route to Triumphest...

From: Michael Marr <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 10:46:03 +0000

Business takes me to LA on a regular basis and I rarely travel on the freeways. I haven't driven on the PCH as far south as Dana Point, but I have driven it from LAX to past Malibu. As in most cases in LA, traffic depends upon the time of day but if you avoid the traditional rush hours it keeps moving.  I actually enjoy driving on city streets there because LA is such a unique city with so much to see, even in the neighborhoods, in the way architecture, people, and some surprising areas of natural beauty. Take your GPS, and take the road less followed.  Oh, and play some Steely Dan and some America ("Ventura Highway", for sure) on the stereo.

Michael Marr
Albion Technical Services
Mobile:  630-202-0065

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> On Aug 11, 2016, at 23:34, "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> On our way to Triumhest this year we are thinking of taking the highway 1
> from Dana point to Ventura on the coast of LA, rather than the traditional
> 405-101 freeway.
> The Idea is to have a more scenic route, with maybe less traffic/stress
> that the freeway typically offers.  We would probably hit the 1 at around
> 10-11:00 on Friday.  Has anybody taken this route, and am I fooling myself
> into thinking that it would be less traffic and stress?
> I don't mind lights and slower traffic that is at least moving - 
> Sorry, but I just really HATE going through LA.  At any time of day and
> anymore it seems as though it clogs up no matter what time of day you go
> but I noticed that the 1 goes right through LAX.  That can't be good
> either---
> Thoughts, comments from those that have been there done that?
> 
> Barry and Rosanne
> 
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From: Frank Fisher <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 17:19:31 +0000 (UTC)

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if your coming north from the san diego area its not really that great a dr=
ive.its not until you get to around ventura that the city disappears and th=
e coast opens up.
as Mike said its all about the time you drive, but it wont be any worse tha=
n the 405.
frankle habitant

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Business takes me to LA on a regular basis and I rarely travel on the freew=
ays. I haven't driven on the PCH as far south as Dana Point, but I have dri=
ven it from LAX to past Malibu. As in most cases in LA, traffic depends upo=
n the time of day but if you avoid the traditional rush hours it keeps movi=
ng.=C2=A0 I actually enjoy driving on city streets there because LA is such=
 a unique city with so much to see, even in the neighborhoods, in the way a=
rchitecture, people, and some surprising areas of natural beauty. Take your=
 GPS, and take the road less followed.=C2=A0 Oh, and play some Steely Dan a=
nd some America ("Ventura Highway", for sure) on the stereo.

Michael Marr
Albion Technical Services
Mobile:=C2=A0 630-202-0065

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> On Aug 11, 2016, at 23:34, "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
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> from Dana point to Ventura on the coast of LA, rather than the traditiona=
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> that the freeway typically offers.=C2=A0 We would probably hit the 1 at a=
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> 10-11:00 on Friday.=C2=A0 Has anybody taken this route, and am I fooling =
myself
> I don't mind lights and slower traffic that is at least moving -=20
> Sorry, but I just really HATE going through LA.=C2=A0 At any time of day =
and
> but I noticed that the 1 goes right through LAX.=C2=A0 That can't be good
> either---
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 22:44:30 -0400

> I don't mind lights and slower traffic that is at least moving -

I've driven all of that at one time or another.  Not like LA freeways; but
you're still going to see lots of traffic, and lots of red lights.  Probably
take twice as long as doing the 405/101, even at rush hour.

Kind of scenic until you get to Long Beach, then it's pretty much just city,
refineries and industrial areas until you get to Santa Monica.  I would be
very tempted to catch the 405 at the south end of Long Beach and take the 10
back to CA 1 at Santa Monica. Kind of scenic from there again (you can even
see the beach/ocean in many places) until you get to Point Mugu, then it's
back to just another city street all the way through Ventura.

> but I noticed that the 1 goes right through LAX.  That can't be good

In my limited experience, CA 1 isn't any worse around LAX than it is
elsewhere.  Only the locals go to the airport that way; everyone else uses
the Century freeway.  That's not to say you won't find a traffic jam there;
only that you're equally likely to find a traffic jam anywhere else along 1.
I've seen it so bad in Malibu (for example), that I took one of the canyon
roads over to the 101 instead.

-- Randall