Subject: [TR] Hi-Torque starter

From: anabil007 <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 15:24:27 -0700

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Has been on Casper (1957 TR3) for many years, at least ten (10), still =
works great.   But =E2=80=A6 you knew this was coming, while fiddling =
with the tuning, I used the solenoid to =E2=80=9Cbump=E2=80=9D the =
engine, and I noticed the starter moved.  This could not be a good =
thing, but just loose bolt(s)  easy fix =E2=80=A6 not =E2=80=A6 all =
bolts were tight, two 9/16 mounting, and two 10mm case bolts, yep 10mm =
indeed. =20

So I can move the starter a small distance by hand, still starts car, no =
weird noise, not hot.   So =E2=80=A6 pull it and check everything, a =
real pain, or just wait for it to fall off.

Thanks for the help

"Life is too short to drive boring cars"

Bill Pugh
1957 TR3 "Casper"=F0=9F=91=BB
TS16765L
Wallace, CA

"Life is too short to drive boring cars"

Bill Pugh
1957 TR3 "Casper"=F0=9F=91=BB
TS16765L
Wallace, CA

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after-white-space;" class=3D"">Has been on Casper (1957 TR3) for many =
years, at least ten (10), still works great. &nbsp; But =E2=80=A6 you =
knew this was coming, while fiddling with the tuning, I used the =
solenoid to =E2=80=9Cbump=E2=80=9D the engine, and I noticed the starter =
moved. &nbsp;This could not be a good thing, but just loose bolt(s) =
&nbsp;easy fix =E2=80=A6 not =E2=80=A6 all bolts were tight, two 9/16 =
mounting, and two 10mm case bolts, yep 10mm indeed. =
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 18:25:43 -0700

> So I can move the starter a small distance by hand, still starts car, no
> weird noise, not hot.   So . pull it and check everything, a real pain, or
> just wait for it to fall off.

If it's the same as mine, there are more bolts not accessible unless you
remove the unit.

Also, after about 10 years of daily service, I discovered by accident that
the bearings were bad.  It would still crank the engine, but the remaining
balls were mostly square.  Might be worth checking and repacking them.

Randall

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Don't know much about these but could there be a rubber anti-torque bushing s=
tarting to wear?  =20

Sent from my Altair 8800

On Aug 20, 2016, at 2:08 PM, anabil007 <[email-masked]> wrote:

Has been on Casper (1957 TR3) for many years, at least ten (10), still works=
 great.   But =E2=80=A6 you knew this was coming, while fiddling with the tu=
ning, I used the solenoid to =E2=80=9Cbump=E2=80=9D the engine, and I notice=
d the starter moved.  This could not be a good thing, but just loose bolt(s)=
  easy fix =E2=80=A6 not =E2=80=A6 all bolts were tight, two 9/16 mounting, a=
nd two 10mm case bolts, yep 10mm indeed. =20

So I can move the starter a small distance by hand, still starts car, no wei=
rd noise, not hot.   So =E2=80=A6 pull it and check everything, a real pain,=
 or just wait for it to fall off.

Thanks for the help

Bill Pugh
1957 TR3 "Casper"=F0=9F=91=BB
TS16765L
Wallace, CA
[email-masked]=F0=9F=90=94

ash.net

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Don't know much about these but could t=
here be a rubber anti-torque bushing starting to wear? &nbsp;&nbsp;<br><br>S=
ent from my&nbsp;<span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">A=
ltair 8800</span></div><div><br>On Aug 20, 2016, at 2:08 PM, anabil007 &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br><br></div><div><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html ch=
arset=3Dutf-8">Has been on Casper (1957 TR3) for many years, at least ten (1=
0), still works great. &nbsp; But =E2=80=A6 you knew this was coming, while f=
iddling with the tuning, I used the solenoid to =E2=80=9Cbump=E2=80=9D the e=
ngine, and I noticed the starter moved. &nbsp;This could not be a good thing=
, but just loose bolt(s) &nbsp;easy fix =E2=80=A6 not =E2=80=A6 all bolts we=
re tight, two 9/16 mounting, and two 10mm case bolts, yep 10mm indeed. &nbsp=
;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">So I can move the star=
ter a small distance by hand, still starts car, no weird noise, not hot. &nb=
sp; So =E2=80=A6 pull it and check everything, a real pain, or just wait for=
 it to fall off.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">T=
hanks for the help</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""=
><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica;  font-style: norm=
al; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-=
height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text=
-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit=
-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-wo=
rd; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; " class=
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant=
: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; o=
rphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;=
 white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; -we=
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it-text-stroke-width: 0px;  "><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-n=
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lass=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0=
, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font=
-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; te=
xt-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:=
 normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-dec=
orations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-strok=
e-width: 0px;  "><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: spa=
ce; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; " class=3D"">"Life is too short t=
o drive boring cars"<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Bill Pugh<br class=3D"">19=
57 TR3 "Casper"=F0=9F=91=BB<br class=3D"">TS16765L<br class=3D"">Wallace, CA=
<br class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">anabil007=
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From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 20:32:48 -0700

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On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 12:08 PM, anabil007 <[email-masked]> wrote:

...all bolts were tight... I can move the starter a small distance by hand,
> still starts car, no weird noise, not hot.   So =E2=80=A6 pull it and che=
ck
> everything, a real pain, or just wait for it to fall off.
>

Something's not right.  I'd want to know what before it gets worse or
fails.  It doesn't sound like a problem that will just go away.

Meanwhile - brush up on your hand cranking skills.

Geo

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On S=
at, Aug 20, 2016 at 12:08 PM, anabil007 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-=
left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">=
<div style=3D"-ms-word-wrap: break-word;">...all bolts were tight... I can =
move the starter a small distance by hand, still starts car, no weird noise=
, not hot. =C2=A0 So =E2=80=A6 pull it and check everything, a real pain, o=
r just wait for it to fall off.</div></blockquote><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Something&#39;s not right.=C2=A0 I&#=
39;d want to know what before it gets worse or fails.=C2=A0 It doesn&#39;t =
sound like a problem that will just go away.</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Meanwhile - brush up on your hand cr=
anking skills.</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">Geo</div></div></div>

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