Subject: [TR] TR250 handling question

From: Pat Fischer <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 13:09:07 -0500

Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expertise here.

Took the 250 to a local shop for some small body repair and new tires. 
Handling of the car has always been superb with wider-than-stock wheels 
and low profile tires, but the two of the tires were 15 years old, so a 
rubber update was needed. The shop also told me that the car also needed 
a new steering rack and tie rod ends. They did this, set alignment and 
lubed the front end.

First getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. Shop 
says they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I haven't driven 
it yet.)

Next, the car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and you have to keep 
correcting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. You'll be 
driving along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes twitching left a 
bit. It doesn't feel stuck to the road as before this work was done. 
Here's the question: the shop tells us that this is normal after 
replacing the steering rack, that "the car is more responsive," in their 
words, and has "a more immediate feel to it," but they also reference 
this as "twitchy-ness."

What should expectations be upon replacing steering rack and tie-rod ends?

Many thanks,

Pat Fischer

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From: <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 23:43:27 +0000

I agree with the other e-mails, sounds like not enough to in and you might have gotten the quick ratio rack that Moss and others sell.  If they took the front suspension apart they could have conceivably put the upper a-arms on backwards, I don't know that it is even drive able if you do that, but it would certainly mess up castor and steering feel if they did.  It is a pretty easy mistake to make if you don't do one side at a time.

Greg Lemon
TR250

---- Andrew Uprichard <[email-masked]> wrote: 
> I am going to be interested in seeing the replies to this posting.  If the
> car was handling and driving so well, why would it need a new steering rack?
> 
> I would have thought expectations should be the owner says "handling of the
> car continues to be superb" - anything less seems like a problem.
> 
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, MI
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Pat
> Fischer
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:09 PM
> To: triumph list list
> Subject: [TR] TR250 handling question
> 
> Handling of the car has always been superb with wider-than-stock wheels and
> low profile tires, but the two of the tires were 15 years old, so a rubber
> update was needed. The shop also told me that the car also needed a new
> steering rack and tie rod ends. They did this, set alignment and lubed the
> front end.
> 
> First getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. Shop says
> they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I haven't driven it yet.)
> 
> correcting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. You'll be driving
> along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes twitching left a bit. It
> doesn't feel stuck to the road as before this work was done. 
> Here's the question: the shop tells us that this is normal after replacing
> the steering rack, that "the car is more responsive," in their words, and
> has "a more immediate feel to it," but they also reference this as
> "twitchy-ness."
> 
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From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:49:03 -0500 (CDT)

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pure rubish. Plain and simple they screwed up your alignment as it was befo=
re. <br />Just replacing the rack has nothing to do with alignment (other t=
han initial adjustment of course) Camber and caster, alignment and wheel ba=
lance =3D tracking<br />They simply have not gotten your alignment etc anyw=
here near where it was before.<br /><br />why did they say you needed a new=
 steering rack?&nbsp; Recent accident? (major shock/jolt)&nbsp; over 50-80K=
 miles of rough roads since last serviced? <br /></div><div>&nbsp;</div><di=
v>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span>Paul Tegler<br />[email-masked]<b=
r />www.teglerizer.com</span><div>&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"border-top:1px =
solid #bcbcbc;margin:5px 0px;"></div><span style=3D"font-size:12;font-famil=
y:arial;color:#000000;">On 06/28/16, <span>Dave<dave1massey@cs.<span class=
=3D"misspelled">com&gt;</dave1massey@<span></span> wrote:</span><div>&nbsp;=
</div><div style=3D"font-size:12;font-family:arial;color:#000000;"><font co=
lor=3D"black" face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><font size=
=3D"4">That sounds like the caster </font><font size=3D"4">adjustment is ou=
t.&nbsp; TR3's have zero caster and I am forever correcting the steering to=
 keep it in the lane.<br /></font></font><div><font color=3D"black" face=3D=
"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=3D"4"> <br /></font></div><div style=3D=
"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave Massey</font><br /><br /></div><div> <br=
 /></div><div> <br /></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-s=
ize:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br />From: Pat Fischer &lt=
;<a class=3D"parsedEmail" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br />To: triumph list list &lt;<a class=3D"parse=
dEmail" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@=
autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br />Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2016 2:58 pm<br />Subject: [=
TR] TR250 handling question<br /><br />Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expe=
rtise here.<br /><br />Took the 250 to a local shop for some small body rep=
air and new tires. <br />Handling of the car has always been superb with wi=
der-than-stock wheels <br />and low profile tires, but the two of the tires=
 were 15 years old, so a <br />rubber update was needed. The shop also told=
 me that the car also needed <br />a new steering rack and tie rod ends. Th=
ey did this, set alignment and <br />lubed the front end.<br /><br />First =
getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. Shop <br />say=
s they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I haven't driven <br />i=
t yet.)<br /><br />Next, the car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and =
you have to keep <br />correcting with steering to keep it straight in its =
lane. You'll be <br />driving along just fine and then Whoops! there is goe=
s twitching left a <br />bit. It doesn't feel stuck to the road as before t=
his work was done. <br />Here's the question: the shop tells us that this i=
s normal after <br />replacing the steering rack, that &quot;the car is mor=
e responsive,&quot; in their <br />words, and has &quot;a more immediate fe=
el to it,&quot; but they also reference <br />this as &quot;twitchy-ness.&q=
uot;<br /><br />What should expectations be upon replacing steering rack an=
d tie-rod ends?<br /><br />Many thanks,<br /><br />Pat Fischer<br /><br /><=
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I am going to side with Massey on this one, because, he is almost =
correct.

For confirmation, go check any site recommending alignments for road =
track / autocross  racing. =20

Here is one - http://winhpde.com/track-alignment/

And  another http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/align.html

=20

(Ted Schumacher, you and pipe in any time here =E2=80=A6)

=20

Most of us want our Triumphs tuned like we are driving on a road  course =
race track.

=20

The handling description described  is similar to driving on a road of =
ball bearings or ice? =20

That is oversteer from too much negative camber or too much toe, or =
both, and with full independent suspension, this becomes more critical =
for optimum handling because all four wheels must be properly adjusted =
for correct handling.

=20

Tire size will directly affect the camber condition if the tire is wider =
or narrower than OE, the camber will be directly affected.  Alignment =
specifications are set for OE standard tires, which are not available o =
for most of our LBC=E2=80=99s these days.

=20

Unless there are bad suspension components or misadjusted wheel =
bearings,  the handling condition is completely indicative  of incorrect =
alignment.

=20

I had a local alignment guy who did alignments for Rocky Mountain =
Vintage Racers, and he could set up 4 wheel alignment to handle any way =
the driver wanted =E2=80=93 understeer =E2=80=93 oversteer =E2=80=93 =
neutral.

Depending on the type of suspension, each setup by suspension type is =
different.

=20

TR250=E2=80=99s have full IRS, so rear toe / camber is just as important =
as the front.=20

=20

Front toe in adds to the eagerness of the turn, rear toe in adds to the =
quickness to rotate into a turn.

Camber affects how the tire contacts the road surface.  Too much =
negative camber and you product oversteer.

=20

Combine with incorrect toe in and negative camber and the car feels like =
it is on ice or ball bearings

=20

My Stags were like that, so was my TR250.  The Stag uses Struts, the =
TR250 uses A Arms.  I had my guy set the camber and toe front and rear =
at the edge of the specs between neutral and oversteer handling, and =
they now ride like they are on rails, solid as a rock, yet responsive =
and predictive. =20

=20

=20

Glenn Merrell =20

+1 (303) 817-8559 mobile

aka StagByTriumph Garage (now on FaceBook)

Remember, =E2=80=9Cthe BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone =
chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen =E2=80=A6 with the =
occasional smell of manure!=E2=80=9D

=20

=20

=20

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
[email-masked]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:49 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] TR250 handling question

=20

pure rubish. Plain and simple they screwed up your alignment as it was =
before.=20
Just replacing the rack has nothing to do with alignment (other than =
initial adjustment of course) Camber and caster, alignment and wheel =
balance =3D tracking
They simply have not gotten your alignment etc anywhere near where it =
was before.

why did they say you needed a new steering rack?  Recent accident? =
(major shock/jolt)  over 50-80K miles of rough roads since last =
serviced?=20

=20

=20

=20

Paul Tegler
[email-masked]
www.teglerizer.com

=20

On 06/28/16, Dave<[email-masked]></dave1massey@ wrote:

=20

That sounds like the caster adjustment is out.  TR3's have zero caster =
and I am forever correcting the steering to keep it in the lane.

=20

Dave Massey

=20

=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Fischer <[email-masked]>
To: triumph list list <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2016 2:58 pm
Subject: [TR] TR250 handling question

Took the 250 to a local shop for some small body repair and new tires.=20
Handling of the car has always been superb with wider-than-stock wheels=20
and low profile tires, but the two of the tires were 15 years old, so a=20
rubber update was needed. The shop also told me that the car also needed =

a new steering rack and tie rod ends. They did this, set alignment and=20
lubed the front end.

First getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. Shop=20
says they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I haven't driven=20
it yet.)

Next, the car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and you have to keep =

correcting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. You'll be=20
driving along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes twitching left a=20
bit. It doesn't feel stuck to the road as before this work was done.=20
Here's the question: the shop tells us that this is normal after=20
replacing the steering rack, that "the car is more responsive," in their =

words, and has "a more immediate feel to it," but they also reference=20
this as "twitchy-ness."

What should expectations be upon replacing steering rack and tie-rod =
ends?

Many thanks,

Pat Fischer

Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]

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D'>I am going to side with Massey on this one, because, he is almost =
correct.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'>For confirmation, go check any site recommending alignments for road =
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D'>Here is one - <a =
href=3D"http://winhpde.com/track-alignment/">http://winhpde.com/track-ali=
gnment/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>And =C2=A0another =
http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/align.html<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>(Ted Schumacher, you and pipe in any time here =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Most of us want our Triumphs tuned like we are driving on a =
road=C2=A0 course race track.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The handling description described =C2=A0is similar to driving on a =
road of ball bearings or ice?=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>That is oversteer from too much negative camber or too much toe, or =
both, and with full independent suspension, this becomes more critical =
for optimum handling because all four wheels must be properly adjusted =
for correct handling.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Tire size will directly affect the camber condition if the tire is =
wider or narrower than OE, the camber will be directly affected.=C2=A0 =
Alignment specifications are set for OE standard tires, which are not =
available o for most of our LBC=E2=80=99s these =
days.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Unless there are bad suspension components or misadjusted wheel =
bearings, =C2=A0the handling condition is completely indicative =C2=A0of =
incorrect alignment.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I had a local alignment guy who did alignments for Rocky Mountain =
Vintage Racers, and he could set up 4 wheel alignment to handle any way =
the driver wanted =E2=80=93 understeer =E2=80=93 oversteer =E2=80=93 =
neutral.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Depending on the type of suspension, each setup by suspension type is =
different.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>TR250=E2=80=99s have full IRS, so rear toe / camber is just as =
important as the front. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Front toe in adds to the eagerness of the turn, rear toe in adds to =
the quickness to rotate into a turn.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Camber affects how the tire contacts the road surface.=C2=A0 Too much =
negative camber and you product oversteer.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Combine with incorrect toe in and negative camber and the car feels =
like it is on ice or ball bearings<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>My Stags were like that, so was my TR250. =C2=A0The Stag uses Struts, =
the TR250 uses A Arms. =C2=A0I had my guy set the camber and toe front =
and rear at the edge of the specs between neutral and oversteer =
handling, and they now ride like they are on rails, solid as a rock, yet =
responsive and predictive. =C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Glenn Merrell=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>+1 (303) 817-8559 mobile<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>aka StagByTriumph Garage (<i>now on =
FaceBook</i>)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Remember, =E2=80=9Cthe BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; =
Stone chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen =E2=80=A6 with =
the occasional smell of manure!=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>[email-masked]<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:49 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR250 handling =
question<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>pu=
re rubish. Plain and simple they screwed up your alignment as it was =
before. <br>Just replacing the rack has nothing to do with alignment =
(other than initial adjustment of course) Camber and caster, alignment =
and wheel balance =3D tracking<br>They simply have not gotten your =
alignment etc anywhere near where it was before.<br><br>why did they say =
you needed a new steering rack?&nbsp; Recent accident? (major =
shock/jolt)&nbsp; over 50-80K miles of rough roads since last serviced? =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Pa=
ul Tegler<br><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.teglerizer.com">www.teglerizer.com</a><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On=
 06/28/16, Dave&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><span =
class=3Dmisspelled>&gt;&lt;/dave1massey@ =
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>T=
hat sounds like the caster adjustment is out.&nbsp; TR3's have zero =
caster and I am forever correcting the steering to keep it in the =
lane.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o=
:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>D=
ave Massey</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o=
:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-=
----Original Message-----<br>From: Pat Fischer &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: triumph list list =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Mon, Jun 27, =
2016 2:58 pm<br>Subject: [TR] TR250 handling question<br><br>Hello, =
Listers. Hoping for your expertise here.<br><br>Took the 250 to a local =
shop for some small body repair and new tires. <br>Handling of the car =
has always been superb with wider-than-stock wheels <br>and low profile =
tires, but the two of the tires were 15 years old, so a <br>rubber =
update was needed. The shop also told me that the car also needed <br>a =
new steering rack and tie rod ends. They did this, set alignment and =
<br>lubed the front end.<br><br>First getting the car back, the car =
vibrated at 70 on the highway. Shop <br>says they've fixed that with =
re-balancing the tires. (I haven't driven <br>it yet.)<br><br>Next, the =
car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and you have to keep =
<br>correcting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. You'll be =
<br>driving along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes twitching =
left a <br>bit. It doesn't feel stuck to the road as before this work =
was done. <br>Here's the question: the shop tells us that this is normal =
after <br>replacing the steering rack, that &quot;the car is more =
responsive,&quot; in their <br>words, and has &quot;a more immediate =
feel to it,&quot; but they also reference <br>this as =
&quot;twitchy-ness.&quot;<br><br>What should expectations be upon =
replacing steering rack and tie-rod ends?<br><br>Many thanks,<br><br>Pat =
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