Subject: Re: [TR] Non-ethanol gas

From: Joe Burlein <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 06:55:12 -0400

I used to run Av gas in my 6 back in college. Ran great! Never had a problem with the car at all. I wish I still access to it...

Joe B
72 TR6

> On May 4, 2016, at 23:04, Ron L'Herault <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> I was just reading about this stuff.  It's leaded, 110 octane and in my
> corner of New England is selling for about $10/gal.  Is it Aviation gas that
> has the road tax included?  At $100 a fill up, I'm not too inclined to use
> it but it is tempting.  Any harm in using it or would the TR-6 be so happy
> with, it would not want me to get anything else?
> 
> Ron L
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From: John Innis <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 07:23:07 -0500

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Be careful.  If if is AVGAS, the amount of lead is going to be problematic
in a TR motor.  Even the LL (low lead) version of AV gas has 4x the amount
of lead that was in automotive gas in the 60's.  This can result in
excessive lead deposits on valves and occasionally a stuck valve.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Be careful.=C2=A0 If if is AVGAS, the amount of lead is go=
ing to be problematic in a TR motor.=C2=A0 Even the LL (low lead) version o=
f AV gas has 4x the amount of lead that was in automotive gas in the 60&#39=
;s.=C2=A0 This can result in excessive lead deposits on valves and occasion=
ally a stuck valve.=C2=A0 <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Ron L&#39;Herault <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
">I was just reading about this stuff.=C2=A0 It&#39;s leaded, 110 octane an=
d in my<br>
corner of New England is selling for about $10/gal.=C2=A0 Is it Aviation ga=
s that<br>
has the road tax included?=C2=A0 At $100 a fill up, I&#39;m not too incline=
d to use<br>
it but it is tempting.=C2=A0 Any harm in using it or would the TR-6 be so h=
appy<br>
with, it would not want me to get anything else?<br>
<br>
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From: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 07:44:12 -0500

Joe,
Are you close to a General Aviation airport facility or race track?  You can get the 110 leaded there. 
Bill

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On May 5, 2016, at 5:55 AM, Joe Burlein <[email-masked]> wrote:

Joe B
72 TR6

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From: Joe Burlein <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 08:57:14 -0400

No race track but a GA with 15 miles. They tend to be a bit picky now and won't just fill a car. Although I could get one of those rolling pumps...  Thanks, you've given me an idea!

Joe B
72 TR6

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From: Bob Labuz <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 09:09:36 -0400

Up here in CNY there are a few stations that sell alcohol free high 
test. I have been using it for about 3 years in my Triumphs. It is about 
20 to 30 cents a gallon more than the regular 87. It is unleaded.

Also most of the fill up stations at the various lakes sell alcohol free 
gas. This started long before it was available for our cars. Not sure if 
it is legal in street cars, but it is sure expensive!

I am guessing the local drag racers use the av gas unless they are 
running pure alcohol.

Bob

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From: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 08:14:26 -0500

Joe,
My friend bought a 55gal barrel of it, and pumps it out from home. 
Bill

Sent from my VIC-64

On May 5, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Joe Burlein <[email-masked]> wrote:

Joe B
72 TR6

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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 09:27:53 -0400

> I used to run Av gas in my 6 back in college. Ran great! Never had a problem with the car at all. I wish I still access to it...

The next best thing?

http://www.vpracingfuels.com/vp-100-fuel

Dunno what it costs...but I suppose it ain't cheap.

Can you still go to the airport with a gas can and tell them you're
testing your homebuilt airplane?

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

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From: Joe Burlein <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 10:00:46 -0400

I just talked to pilot I know and he said (we are in FL) that you can pick it up for your "airboat". 

Joe B
72 TR6

> On May 5, 2016, at 09:27, Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]> wrote:
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From: Joe Burlein <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 09:59:33 -0400

Wow!  I was just thinking of one of those 15 gal plastic uprights. 

Joe B
72 TR6

> On May 5, 2016, at 09:14, [email-masked] <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Joe,

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From: "wbeech" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 09:32:41 -0500

That would certainly be more economical, this guy has a fleet of old cars to
run though.
B

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To: [email-masked]
Cc: Ron L'Herault <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] Non-ethanol gas

Joe B
72 TR6

> No race track but a GA with 15 miles. They tend to be a bit picky now and
won't just fill a car. Although I could get one of those rolling pumps...
Thanks, you've given me an idea!
>> I used to run Av gas in my 6 back in college. Ran great! Never had a
problem with the car at all. I wish I still access to it...
>>> I was just reading about this stuff.  It's leaded, 110 octane and in 
>>> my corner of New England is selling for about $10/gal.  Is it 
>>> Aviation gas that has the road tax included?  At $100 a fill up, I'm 
>>> not too inclined to use it but it is tempting.  Any harm in using it 
>>> or would the TR-6 be so happy with, it would not want me to get anything
else?
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]
>> 
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>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]
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From: "J.C. Hassall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 11:40:43 -0400

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We had a thread on the Friends of Triumps list a month or so ago on this
very topic (check the archives).  110LL (low lead) is available at your
local general aviation airport - mine gets $3.50/gal.  No harm will come to
your TR but be sure you don't have an oxygen sensor in the exhaust, as lead
will kill it.

jim

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<div dir=3D"ltr">We had a thread on the Friends of Triumps list a month or =
so ago on this very topic (check the archives). =C2=A0110LL (low lead) is a=
vailable at your local general aviation airport - mine gets $3.50/gal.=C2=
=A0 No harm will come to your TR but be sure you don&#39;t have an oxygen s=
ensor in the exhaust, as lead will kill it.<div><br></div><div>jim</div></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, May 4,=
 2016 at 11:04 PM, Ron L&#39;Herault <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</spa=
n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I was just reading about this s=
tuff.=C2=A0 It&#39;s leaded, 110 octane and in my<br>
corner of New England is selling for about $10/gal.=C2=A0 Is it Aviation ga=
s that<br>
has the road tax included?=C2=A0 At $100 a fill up, I&#39;m not too incline=
d to use<br>
it but it is tempting.=C2=A0 Any harm in using it or would the TR-6 be so h=
appy<br>
with, it would not want me to get anything else?<br>
<br>
Ron L<br>
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From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 22:13:56 +0000 (UTC)

I did run a Datsun roadster in which I did not harden the valve seats when I rebuilt the engine.  Mistake.  One of the valves became non adjustable.  

But if you do harden your valve seats, then run supreme, no harm and easy peazy.

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667
New Hampshire.

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From: "Ron L'Herault" <[email-masked]>
To: "triumphs" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 11:04:15 PM
Subject: [TR] Non-ethanol gas

Ron L

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From: anabil007 <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 17:13:00 -0700

I used 115/145 AvGas (courtesy of US Navy), for two years in my 1956 AH-100-4.  No problems at all until I learned about hydroplaning the hard way, totaled it the seat belts I had, borrowed out of an R5D, saved my life, never drove without them since.

Bill Pugh
Wallace, CA

> On May 4, 2016, at 8:04 PM, Ron L'Herault <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> with, it would not want me to get anything

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From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 05:43:29 -0700

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All this talk about filling up (or filling cans) at your local airport has
me wondering -- are you able to simply drive to the flight line and gas up
(or fill a can)?  Airports around here have security gates, codes and
monitor who is inside the secure area.  Granted, the overall system
probably has holes in it if only by virtue of the number of people who have
legitimate need for access -- but are a lot of you routinely doing this?

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 8:40 AM, J.C. Hassall <[email-masked]> wrote:

> We had a thread on the Friends of Triumps list a month or so ago...
>

Obviously a typo - hoping it is the car and not friends of a billionaire
with a big 'do.

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light line and gas up (or fill a can)?=C2=A0 Airports around here have secu=
rity gates, codes and monitor who is inside the secure area.=C2=A0 Granted,=
 the overall system probably has holes in it if only by virtue of the numbe=
r of people who have legitimate need=C2=A0for access -- but are a lot of yo=
u routinely doing this?</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 8:40 AM, J.C. Hassall <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
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Our local GA airport will not fuel a car directly because road use taxes are=
n't levied on av gas or JP4. However I can fuel as many cans as I want, no q=
uestions asked. Maybe it helps that I'm a pilot but they know that the gas i=
sn't going into a plane. "Don't ask, don't tell"

jim

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> On May 6, 2016, at 8:43 AM, Geo Hahn <[email-masked]> wrote:
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les in it if only by virtue of the number of people who have legitimate need=
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ar directly because road use taxes aren't levied on av gas or JP4. However I=
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m a pilot but they know that the gas isn't going into a plane. "Don't ask, d=
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[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><di=
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ocal airport has me wondering -- are you able to simply drive to the flight l=
ine and gas up (or fill a can)?&nbsp; Airports around here have security gat=
es, codes and monitor who is inside the secure area.&nbsp; Granted, the over=
all system probably has holes in it if only by virtue of the number of peopl=
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"gmail_quote">On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 8:40 AM, J.C. Hassall <span dir=3D"ltr"=
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com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
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der-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir=3D"ltr">We had a thread=
 on the Friends of Triumps list a month or so ago...</div></blockquote><div>=
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From: Hoyt Duff <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 18:36:25 -0400

Using fuel with a higher octane than you need to avoid pre-detonation
is just wasting money.

You should check and see what they are selling at a marina. I'm told
that they sell non-ethanol gas.

On 5/5/16, anabil007 <[email-masked]> wrote:
> I used 115/145 AvGas (courtesy of US Navy), for two years in my 1956
> AH-100-4.  No problems at all until I learned about hydroplaning the hard
> way, totaled it the seat belts I had, borrowed out of an R5D, saved my life,
> never drove without them since.
>
>
>
> Bill Pugh
> Wallace, CA
>
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]
>

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