Subject: Re: [TR] winter storage

From: Rye Livingston <[email-masked]>
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I'm catching up on my email so sorry if this topic is dead, but I thought =
I'd pitch in a comment. =C2=A0Many years ago I heard a guy on the radio sa=
y=C2=A0it's best to store a car with the tank full to minimize condensatio=
n, along with a fuel stabilizer.=0A=0ARye=0A1960 TR3A=0A=0AOn Apr 30, 2016=
, at 06:10 AM, Andrew Uprichard <[email-masked]> wrote:=0A=0ATha=
nks to all who replied =E2=80=93 most of which chose to reply 1:1.=0A=C2=A0=
=0AThe fieldd seems split evenly between fill it versus leave empty or dra=
in =E2=80=93 but, like Bill, everyone agrees with using stabilizer.=0A=C2=A0=
=0AI actually do use stabilizer =E2=80=93 I think it=E2=80=99s called Sta-=
bil =E2=80=93 but obviously something deteriorated over the winter in my c=
ase.=0A=C2=A0=0AAndrew=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom: wbeech [mailto:[email-masked]] =0A=
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 11:14 AM=0ATo: 'Andrew Uprichard'; triumphs@a=
utox.team.net=0ASubject: RE: [TR] winter storage=0A=C2=A0=0AI should think=
 less fuel is better, with stabilizer, this way when you add fresh it will=
 have a better dilution ratio.=C2=A0 Also, don=E2=80=99t forget to empty t=
he carb float bowls, easily accomplished if you are using an electric fuel=
 pump and can simply disconnect it and let the car run to empty.=0AMy thou=
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8, 2016 2:22 PM=0ATo: [email-masked]=0ASubject: [TR] winter stora=
ge=0A=C2=A0=0AI pulled a TR3 out of storage this week and noticed it was d=
etonating=C2=A0 (which it didn=E2=80=99t do last fall when last driven).=C2=
=A0 Have to assume it is a gas problem.=C2=A0 Which begs the question:=C2=A0=
 store the car with a full tank of gas (with or without a stabilizer) or a=
s empty as possible?=0A=C2=A0=0AAndrew Uprichard=0A=0A** [email-masked]=
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<html><body><div>I'm catching up on my email so sorry if this topic is dead, but I tho=
ught I'd pitch in a comment. &nbsp;Many years ago I heard a guy on the rad=
io say&nbsp;it's best to store a car with the tank full to minimize conden=
sation, along with a fuel stabilizer.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"><=
/div><div>Rye</div><div>1960 TR3A</div><div><br>On Apr 30, 2016, at 06:10 =
AM, Andrew Uprichard &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></div>=
<div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"msg-quote" lang=3D"EN-US" lin=
k=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #1f497d;">Th=
anks to all who replied =E2=80=93 most of which chose to reply 1:1.</span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style=3D=
"color: #1f497d;">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"c=
olor: #1f497d;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #1f497d;">The fieldd seems split =
evenly between fill it versus leave empty or drain =E2=80=93 but, like Bil=
l, everyone agrees with using stabilizer.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #1f497d;">&nbsp;=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;" data-mce=
-style=3D"color: #1f497d;">I actually do use stabilizer =E2=80=93 I think =
it=E2=80=99s called Sta-bil =E2=80=93 but obviously something deteriorated=
 over the winter in my case.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #1f497d;">&nbsp;</span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style=3D"color=
: #1f497d;">Andrew</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: =
#1f497d;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #1f497d;">&nbsp;</span></p><div><div st=
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padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font=
-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'tahoma' , 'sans-serif';" data-mce-style=3D"fo=
nt-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'tahoma' , 'sans-serif';">From:</span></b><s=
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a-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'tahoma' , 'sans-serif';"> =
wbeech [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 29, 2016 1=
1:14 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Andrew Uprichard'; <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox=
.team.net" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">triumphs@autox=
.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] winter storage</span></p></div><=
/div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #1f497d;">I should think less f=
uel is better, with stabilizer, this way when you add fresh it will have a=
 better dilution ratio.&nbsp; Also, don=E2=80=99t forget to empty the carb=
 float bowls, easily accomplished if you are using an electric fuel pump a=
nd can simply disconnect it and let the car run to empty.</span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style=3D"color: =
#1f497d;">My thoughts, </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"co=
lor: #1f497d;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #1f497d;">Bill B</span></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #=
1f497d;">TS30800L</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #=
1f497d;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #1f497d;">&nbsp;</span></p><div><div sty=
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n 0in;" data-mce-style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt; p=
adding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs [=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" data-mce-href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</=
a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Uprichard<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 2=
8, 2016 2:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" d=
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><br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] winter storage</p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I pulled a TR3 out of storage this w=
eek and noticed it was detonating&nbsp; (which it didn=E2=80=99t do last f=
all when last driven).&nbsp; Have to assume it is a gas problem.&nbsp; Whi=
ch begs the question:&nbsp; store the car with a full tank of gas (with or=
 without a stabilizer) or as empty as possible?</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
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From: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 02 May 2016 22:22:11 -0500 (CDT)

No, Sta-bil has a date of expiration after you open it.  Throw it away.

Craig 
72 TR6 

On 05/02/16, dave n<[email-masked]> wrote:
 
so we?re all talking about using fuel stabilizer to keep the gasoline from deteriorating.
 
that begs the question ? how long does fuel stabilizer last? I ask this because I think, somewhere around here, is a can (that should tell you something) that I bought 20 years ago. maybe 30? 
 
not seriously, but anyone think its still good????

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From: Dave <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 3 May 2016 07:45:15 -0400

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That's 'cause they were paced in cosmoline.  ;-)

Cheers and thanks for the remembrances.

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Dave Massey

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-----Original Message-----
From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
To: 'Reihing, Randall S.' <[email-masked]>; 'dave n' <dave@ran=
teer.com>; triumphs <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tue, May 3, 2016 6:23 am
Subject: Re: [TR] winter storage

Randall Reihing wrote:

I have two WW II US Army five gallon cans that were originally on a WW II U=
S Army tank and at 75 years old they are still good, do not leak, are not r=
usty inside or outside, and hold fuel for as long as I need them to, which =
is a lot less than 20-30 years. =20
=20
Snap! They knew how to make them in WW2. I=E2=80=99ve still got a 25 litre =
German jerrican in German field grey stamped, =E2=80=9CWehrmacht. Afrika Ko=
rps 1942 =E2=80=93 fur Kubelwagen=E2=80=9D. Presumably it was designed to c=
lip on to the open-topped VW used by the likes of Rommel and friends?
=20
How this can made it back to England is anyone=E2=80=99s guess, especially =
as it has two approx. 5 inch diameter patches painted olive green welded to=
 either face equally stamped on the patches =E2=80=9CBritish Fifth Army LRD=
G=E2=80=9D which LRDG means Long Range Desert Group. These were the guys wh=
o penetrated far behind enemy lines and made a nuisance of themselves by bl=
owing up supply lines and indulging in other unco-operative initiatives. Da=
d used the can for years afterwards for kerosene to keep the kero heater in=
 our greenhouse at home going in the winter. It=E2=80=99s still good for us=
e and while it takes up a lot of space in my tiny workshop, I can=E2=80=99t=
 bring myself to be rid of itJ It=E2=80=99s strange how the Germans and the=
 Allies used such a familiar design. Who copied who or was it two like mind=
s on different sides coming up with the same idea and concept?
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t size=3D"4">That's 'cause they were paced in cosmoline.&nbsp; ;-)</font><b=
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<font size=3D"4">Cheers and thanks for the remembrances.</font><br>

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<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave Massey</font><br>

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From: John Macartney &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>

To: 'Reihing, Randall S.' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; 'dave n' &lt=
;[email-masked]&gt;; triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>

Sent: Tue, May 3, 2016 6:23 am<br>

Subject: Re: [TR] winter storage<br>

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<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">I have two WW II US Army five gallon c=
ans that were originally on a WW II US Army tank and at 75 years old they a=
re still good, do not leak, are not rusty inside or outside, and hold fuel =
for as long as I need them to, which is a lot less than 20-30 years. &nbsp;=
</span></div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;</span></div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Snap! They knew how to make them in WW2. I=E2=80=
=99ve still got a 25 litre German jerrican in German field grey stamped, =
=E2=80=9CWehrmacht. Afrika Korps 1942 =E2=80=93 fur Kubelwagen=E2=80=9D. Pr=
esumably it was designed to clip on to the open-topped VW used by the likes=
 of Rommel and friends?</span></div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;</span></div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">How this can made it back to England is anyone=E2=
=80=99s guess, especially as it has two approx. 5 inch diameter patches pai=
nted olive green welded to either face equally stamped on the patches =E2=
=80=9CBritish Fifth Army LRDG=E2=80=9D which LRDG means Long Range Desert G=
roup. These were the guys who penetrated far behind enemy lines and made a =
nuisance of themselves by blowing up supply lines and indulging in other un=
co-operative initiatives. Dad used the can for years afterwards for kerosen=
e to keep the kero heater in our greenhouse at home going in the winter. It=
=E2=80=99s still good for use and while it takes up a lot of space in my ti=
ny workshop, I can=E2=80=99t bring myself to be rid of it</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings">J</span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> It=E2=80=99s strange =
how the Germans and the Allies used such a familiar design. Who copied who =
or was it two like minds on different sides coming up with the same idea an=
d concept?</span></div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
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I could be mistaken=2C I usually am but I don't recall older bottles of Sta=
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> Date: Mon=2C 2 May 2016 22:22:11 -0500
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> so we?re all talking about using fuel stabilizer to keep the gasoline fro=
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>I could be&nbsp=3Bmistaken=2C I =
usually am but I don't recall older bottles of Sta-Bil having an expiration=
 date.<BR>&nbsp=3B<BR>Marty<br>&nbsp=3B<BR><div>&gt=3B Date: Mon=2C 2 May 2=
016 22:22:11 -0500<br>&gt=3B From: [email-masked]<br>&gt=3B To: da=
[email-masked]=3B [email-masked]<br>&gt=3B Subject: Re: [TR] winte=
r storage<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B  No=2C Sta-bil has a date of expiration afte=
r you open it.  Throw it away.<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B Craig <br>&g=
t=3B 72 TR6 <br>&gt=3B  <br>&gt=3B  <br>&gt=3B On 05/02/16=2C dave n&lt=3Bd=
[email-masked]&gt=3B wrote:<br>&gt=3B  <br>&gt=3B so we?re all talking abo=
ut using fuel stabilizer to keep the gasoline from deteriorating.<br>&gt=3B=
  <br>&gt=3B that begs the question ? how long does fuel stabilizer last? I=
 ask this because I think=2C somewhere around here=2C is a can (that should=
 tell you something) that I bought 20 years ago. maybe 30? <br>&gt=3B  <br>=
&gt=3B not seriously=2C but anyone think its still good????<br>&gt=3B  <br>=
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From: Frank Fisher <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 3 May 2016 17:45:53 +0000 (UTC)

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=C2=A0The British were the fastest to realize the can's excellent design wi=
th the American's, as usual, having to try and "improve" a superior design,=
 failing at every attempt, and finally adopting the design in it's entirety=
. The three handles are so one person, or two people with one on each side,=
 can carry the can.

Sir Winston Churchill, 1/2 american by birth, once commented something alon=
g the lines of: "you can always trust the Americans to do the right thing. =
but not until they have exhausted all other possibilities".

      From: "Reihing, Randall S." <[email-masked]>
 To: dave n <[email-masked]>; "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]=
eam.net>=20
 Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [TR] winter storage
  =20
I agree! I would keep those cans in the family forever. Genuine WW II histo=
rical artifacts.=C2=A0
Historical records list the Germans as the original inventor of the "Jerry"=
, 4 liter or 5.3 US Gallon can before WW II. During WW II the British, Amer=
icans and Russians all realized the can was superior to what they were usin=
g and after a few variations eventually copied the design, still in use tod=
ay. The British were the fastest to realize the can's excellent design with=
 the American's, as usual, having to try and "improve" a superior design, f=
ailing at every attempt, and finally adopting the design in it's entirety. =
The three handles are so one person, or two people with one on each side, c=
an carry the can. =C2=A0
Dave, the two I have are very cool but not nearly as historical as what you=
 have. Keep them forever,=C2=A0or maybe consider donating them to a museum.=
 What a cool display they would make in your shop. So much history there. N=
ot a single, ground based, gasoline powered vehicle on either side moved ve=
ry far without those cans.=C2=A0
Oddly, I was recently reading about President Roosevelt's WW II history and=
 came across a passage where he actually referenced those "Jerry" cans and =
said without them the Allies would not have been as successful in France as=
 we were.=C2=A0
Some amazing history represented in those two cans.=C2=A0
Randall Reihing
From: Triumphs [[email-masked]] on behalf of dave n [dave@=
ranteer.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 8:30 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] winter storage

wonderful history.=C2=A0 don=E2=80=99t ever let them go!=C2=A0From: Dave Se=
nt: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:45 AMTo: [email-masked] ; Randall.=
[email-masked] ; [email-masked] ; [email-masked] Subject: R=
e: [TR] winter storage=C2=A0That's 'cause they were paced in cosmoline.=C2=
=A0 ;-)

=C2=A0=C2=A0Dave Massey

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:I have two WW II US Army five gallon cans that were originally on a WW II =
US Army tank and at 75 years old they are still good, do not leak, are not =
rusty inside or outside, and hold fuel for as long as I need them to, which=
 is a lot less than 20-30 years.=C2=A0=C2=A0Snap! They knew how to make the=
m in WW2. I=E2=80=99ve still got a 25 litre German jerrican in German field=
 grey stamped, =E2=80=9CWehrmacht. Afrika Korps 1942 =E2=80=93 fur Kubelwag=
en=E2=80=9D. Presumably it was designed to clip on to the open-topped VW us=
ed by the likes of Rommel and friends?=C2=A0How this can made it back to En=
gland is anyone=E2=80=99s guess, especially as it has two approx. 5 inch di=
ameter patches painted olive green welded to either face equally stamped on=
 the patches =E2=80=9CBritish Fifth Army LRDG=E2=80=9D which LRDG means Lon=
g Range Desert Group. These were the guys who penetrated far behind enemy l=
ines and made a nuisance of themselves by blowing up supply lines and indul=
ging in other unco-operative initiatives. Dad used the can for years afterw=
ards for kerosene to keep the kero heater in our greenhouse at home going i=
n the winter. It=E2=80=99s still good for use and while it takes up a lot o=
f space in my tiny workshop, I can=E2=80=99t bring myself to be rid of itJ =
It=E2=80=99s strange how the Germans and the Allies used such a familiar de=
sign. Who copied who or was it two like minds on different sides coming up =
with the same idea and concept?=C2=A0Jonmac

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=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_4904"><i>&nbsp;The British were the fas=
test to realize the can's excellent design with the American's, as usual, h=
aving to try and "improve" a superior design, failing at every attempt, and=
 finally adopting the design in it's entirety. The three handles are so one=
 person, or two people with one on each side, can carry the can.</i></span>=
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Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id=3D"yui_3_=
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x;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_4828"> <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui=
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1_1462297072257_5049"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b=
> "Reihing, Randall S." &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br> <b><span st=
yle=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> dave n &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
"[email-masked]" &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br> <b><span sty=
le=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:57 AM<br>=
 <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [TR] winter =
storage<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_=
ym19_1_1462297072257_4827"><br><div id=3D"yiv2343819070"><style type=3D"tex=
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<div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Tahoma;color:#000000;font-size:10pt=
;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_4825">I agree! I would keep those =
cans in the family forever. Genuine WW II historical artifacts.&nbsp;
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_4905"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_4906">Historical records list th=
e Germans as the original inventor of the "Jerry", 4 liter or 5.3 US Gallon=
 can before WW II. During WW II the British, Americans and Russians all rea=
lized the can was superior to what they were using and after a few variatio=
ns
 eventually copied the design, still in use today. The British were the fas=
test to realize the can's excellent design with the American's, as usual, h=
aving to try and "improve" a superior design, failing at every attempt, and=
 finally adopting the design in
 it's entirety. The three handles are so one person, or two people with one=
 on each side, can carry the can. &nbsp;</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_5136"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_4878">Dave, the two I have are v=
ery cool but not nearly as historical as what you have. Keep them forever,<=
span style=3D"font-size:10pt;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_5137">=
&nbsp;or maybe consider donating them to a museum. What a cool display they=
 would make in your shop. So much history there. Not
 a single, ground based, gasoline powered vehicle on either side moved very=
 far without those cans.&nbsp;</span></div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_5138"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_4842">Oddly, I was recently read=
ing about President Roosevelt's WW II history and came across a passage whe=
re he actually referenced those "Jerry" cans and said without them the Alli=
es would not have been as successful in France as we were.&nbsp;</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_4824"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Some amazing history represented in those two cans.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Randall Reihing<br clear=3D"none">
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=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Triumphs [triumphs-bo=
[email-masked]] on behalf of dave n [[email-masked]]<br clear=3D"no=
ne">
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 03, 2016 8:30 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] winter storage<br clear=3D"none">
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<div>wonderful history.&nbsp; don=E2=80=99t ever let them go!</div>
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<div style=3D"font:10pt tahoma;">
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<div style=3D""><b>From:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"da=
[email-masked]" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">
Dave</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:45 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"john.macartney@=
ukpips.org.uk" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">
[email-masked]</a> ; <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=
=3D"[email-masked]" ymailto=3D"mailto:Randall.Reihing@utoledo.=
edu" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">
[email-masked]</a> ; <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=
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[email-masked]</a> ; <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"triumphs=
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[email-masked]</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] winter storage</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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t size=3D"4">That's 'cause they were paced in cosmoline.&nbsp; ;-)</font><b=
r clear=3D"none">
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<font size=3D"4">Cheers and thanks for the remembrances.</font><br clear=3D=
"none">
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From: John Macartney &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none"=
To: 'Reihing, Randall S.' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; 'dave n' &lt=
;[email-masked]&gt;; triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D=
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ll Reihing wrote:</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;"></span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv2343819070MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;">I hav=
e two WW II US Army five gallon cans that were originally on a WW II US Arm=
y tank and at 75 years old they are still good, do not leak, are not rusty =
inside
 or outside, and hold fuel for as long as I need them to, which is a lot le=
ss than 20-30 years.&nbsp;
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<div class=3D"yiv2343819070MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;"></spa=
n>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv2343819070MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">Snap!=
 They knew how to make them in WW2. I=E2=80=99ve still got a 25 litre Germa=
n jerrican in German field grey stamped, =E2=80=9CWehrmacht. Afrika Korps 1=
942 =E2=80=93 fur Kubelwagen=E2=80=9D. Presumably
 it was designed to clip on to the open-topped VW used by the likes of Romm=
el and friends?</span></div>
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his can made it back to England is anyone=E2=80=99s guess, especially as it=
 has two approx. 5 inch diameter patches painted olive green welded to eith=
er face equally stamped
 on the patches =E2=80=9CBritish Fifth Army LRDG=E2=80=9D which LRDG means =
Long Range Desert Group. These were the guys who penetrated far behind enem=
y lines and made a nuisance of themselves by blowing up supply lines and in=
dulging in other unco-operative initiatives. Dad
 used the can for years afterwards for kerosene to keep the kero heater in =
our greenhouse at home going in the winter. It=E2=80=99s still good for use=
 and while it takes up a lot of space in my tiny workshop, I can=E2=80=99t =
bring myself to be rid of it</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-famil=
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esign. Who copied who or was it two like minds on different sides coming up=
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 3 May 2016 11:14:12 -0700

> I have two WW II US Army five gallon cans that were 
> originally on a WW II US Army tank and at 75 years old they 
> are still good, do not leak, are not rusty inside or outside, 
> and hold fuel for as long as I need them to, which is a lot 
> less than 20-30 years.  

A bit different though; 'Jerry' cans are normally fully sealed (and strong enough to withstand the pressure from fuel vapor).
Automotive gas tanks are not.  Modern cars are closer to being sealed, but older Triumphs are totally open to the air.  

So if you live in an area where dew forms on the grass (and your windshield), it also forms in the gas tank.  With non-ethanol gas,
the water runs to the bottom, where it can't evaporate, and causes rust.  (In colder climates, it can even freeze, leading to
"frozen" gas lines.)

With ethanol, the water combines with the ethanol.  Once the water concentration becomes high enough, both the water and the ethanol
settle out to the bottom of the tank.  What is left might run, but is typically lower octane, so causes engine knock (like Andrew
experienced).

FWIW, and as I recall, the US copied the "Jerry can" design from the Germans during WWII, hence the nickname ('Jerry' being a
nickname for 'German' at the time).  Far superior to what we came up with originally.

Randall