Subject: Re: [TR] Commission number verification

From: Dave <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:33:52 -0700

Hi Jim,
There is only one location for the commission number and it is stamped in the tag and riveted to the firewall.  The body tag is a completely different number and is screwed to the firewall above the battery.
If you need to find the correct numbers, the choice is to send for the Heritage Trust Museum certificate.   It costs around $50.  I think it is worth it and nice to have if you happen to give a darn.  
I didn't have the body tag for my TR3A.  I sent for the certificate and it provided the correct numbers for the whole car,  commission number, body and EB numbers, engine, transmission, and rear axle.  It also provided build date, delivered options, port and dealer info.  All cool stuff to know in my book.
I also sent for one for a TR2 long door that I bought.  It didn't list as much info as the later car, the engine number wasn't recorded, but it still provided good info.  
The engine number, TS2313E, is close to the commission number, TS2172LO, on the TR2, so I know that it is original to the car.

// Dave
831-234-4928
p.s. My godfather lives in Ocala.  Dave Smith, total car guy and retired SCCA racer after 40 plus years of driving.  

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> Is there a place on body or frame that would also have the commission number stamped to verify to original body tag on a 1961 tr3a.  
> Thanks,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
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From: Hoyt Duff <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 20:52:52 -0400

No. It's only on the Commission Plate.

On 4/17/16, Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Is there a place on body or frame that would also have the commission number
> stamped to verify to original body tag on a 1961 tr3a.
> Thanks,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
>
> Sent from my iPad
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From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:56:56 -0700

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I don't think so though a Heritage Certificate would typically show
original engine number and body tags (above the battery) which - if they
match - would suggest the commission plate is correct.

Geo

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Is there a place on body or frame that would also have the commission
> number stamped to verify to original body tag on a 1961 tr3a.
> Thanks,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
>
> Sent from my iPad
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I don&#39;t think so though a Heritage Certificate wo=
uld typically show original engine number and body tags (above the battery)=
 which - if they match - would suggest the commission plate is correct.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Geo</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Jim Henningsen <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">trguy=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Is the=
re a place on body or frame that would also have the commission number stam=
ped to verify to original body tag on a 1961 tr3a.<br>
Thanks,<br>
Jim Henningsen<br>
Ocala, FL<br>
<br>
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From: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 20:39:53 -0500

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There's a small chance that comparing the frame's Z-number would give an
approximate correspondence to the time period of the purported commission
number.  Z-numbers are, at best, a loose guide to the general period of
production of the frame, based on the ongoing engineering changes at
Sankey's.

Don
1962 TR3B (Z31 chassis)

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<div dir=3D"ltr">There&#39;s a small chance that comparing the frame&#39;s =
Z-number would give an approximate correspondence to the time period of the=
 purported commission number.=C2=A0 Z-numbers are, at best, a loose guide t=
o the general period of production of the frame, based on the ongoing engin=
eering changes at Sankey&#39;s.<div><br></div><div>Don</div><div>1962 TR3B =
(Z31 chassis)</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 6:30 PM, Jim Henningsen <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Is there a place o=
n body or frame that would also have the commission number stamped to verif=
y to original body tag on a 1961 tr3a.<br>
Thanks,<br>
Jim Henningsen<br>
Ocala, FL<br>
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From: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 21:48:52 -0500

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And in addition to the records held by BMIHT, Bill Piggott of the TR
Register has access to a different set of build data with much of the same
information for sidescreen cars through TR3A (no TR3B onward data).  He'll
process a search through those records for a modest charge.

Details on the TRR's website:
http://www.tr-register.co.uk/traces-and-lost-registration-numbers

Don
1962 TR3B

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<div dir=3D"ltr">And in addition to the records held by BMIHT, Bill Piggott=
 of the TR Register has access to a different set of build data with much o=
f the same information for sidescreen cars through TR3A (no TR3B onward dat=
a).=C2=A0 He&#39;ll process a search through those records for a modest cha=
rge.<div><br></div><div>Details on the TRR&#39;s website:</div><div><a href=
=3D"http://www.tr-register.co.uk/traces-and-lost-registration-numbers">http=
://www.tr-register.co.uk/traces-and-lost-registration-numbers</a><br></div>=
<div><br></div><div>Don</div><div>1962 TR3B</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 7:56 PM, Geo =
Hahn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I don&#39;t think so though a Heritage =
Certificate would typically show original engine number and body tags (abov=
e the battery) which - if they match - would suggest the commission plate i=
s correct.</div><div><br></div><div>Geo</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extr=
a"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D"">On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at =
4:30 PM, Jim Henningsen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:trguy75@gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></span=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">Is there a place on body o=
r frame that would also have the commission number stamped to verify to ori=
ginal body tag on a 1961 tr3a.<br>
Thanks,<br>
Jim Henningsen<br>
Ocala, FL<br>
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From: Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 06:41:55 -0400

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This is great and thank you. Jim

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 17, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Don Hiscock <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> And in addition to the records held by BMIHT, Bill Piggott of the TR Regis=
ter has access to a different set of build data with much of the same inform=
ation for sidescreen cars through TR3A (no TR3B onward data).  He'll process=
 a search through those records for a modest charge.
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>> I don't think so though a Heritage Certificate would typically show origi=
nal engine number and body tags (above the battery) which - if they match - w=
ould suggest the commission plate is correct.
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>> Geo
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>>> Is there a place on body or frame that would also have the commission nu=
mber stamped to verify to original body tag on a 1961 tr3a.
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r>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Apr 17, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Don Hiscock &=
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ote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">And in add=
ition to the records held by BMIHT, Bill Piggott of the TR Register has acce=
ss to a different set of build data with much of the same information for si=
descreen cars through TR3A (no TR3B onward data).&nbsp; He'll process a sear=
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nd-lost-registration-numbers">http://www.tr-register.co.uk/traces-and-lost-r=
egistration-numbers</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Don</div><div>1962 TR3B=
</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun=
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rote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I don't think s=
o though a Heritage Certificate would typically show original engine number a=
nd body tags (above the battery) which - if they match - would suggest the c=
ommission plate is correct.</div><div><br></div><div>Geo</div></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D"">On Sun, A=
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e on body or frame that would also have the commission number stamped to ver=
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Thanks,<br>
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Ocala, FL<br>
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