Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake master cylinder

From: Creig Houghtaling <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 02:33:24 +0000

All good information.  I will probably remove each caliper and wheel cylinder and pour out the fluid.  But now that I know that someone has not had a bad experience just pushing it out. I won't have any concern about any residual film on interior surfaces.

Thanks All!

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> That was going to be my next question. About how carefully
> one had to drain the dot 4 when installing dot 5. It sounds
> like I can put in my fresh MC, fill it with silicone, then
> bleed each brake till I see purple fluid.

Another contested question.  My experience is as Paul said, just "bleeding through" will not remove all of the old brake fluid from
the system.  However, I saw no ill effects from the small pockets of old fluid left over.  The DOT 5 will not mix with the old
fluid, and is slightly less dense, so you get little pockets of fluid in corners that don't get used (like the base of the rear
slave cylinders).  The DOT 5 also surrounds it, so it can't promote corrosion (and I assume not absorb water or salt).

Main disadvantage seems to be that the remaining DOT 3/4 will suck all the purple dye out of the DOT 5.

Randall

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From: "John Macartney" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 09:32:58 +0100

I'm 'old fashioned' when it comes to removing brake fluif and if you seek to
purge the system, use compressed air! Ensure you don't spray old fluif on
any paintwork (unless you like repainting?) and then strip out the front
calipers and rear wheel cylinders. Admit it takes more time to do it this
way but at least you hopefully won't have any 'contaminating' residues. This
is the process I adopted together with replacing quite a large number of
seals.

Jonmac

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Houghtaling
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To: Randall <[email-masked]>
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Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake master cylinder

All good information.  I will probably remove each caliper and wheel
cylinder and pour out the fluid.  But now that I know that someone has not
had a bad experience just pushing it out. I won't have any concern about any
residual film on interior surfaces.

Thanks All!

> That was going to be my next question. About how carefully one had to 
> drain the dot 4 when installing dot 5. It sounds like I can put in my 
> fresh MC, fill it with silicone, then bleed each brake till I see 
> purple fluid.

Another contested question.  My experience is as Paul said, just "bleeding
through" will not remove all of the old brake fluid from the system.
However, I saw no ill effects from the small pockets of old fluid left over.
The DOT 5 will not mix with the old fluid, and is slightly less dense, so
you get little pockets of fluid in corners that don't get used (like the
base of the rear slave cylinders).  The DOT 5 also surrounds it, so it can't
promote corrosion (and I assume not absorb water or salt).

Main disadvantage seems to be that the remaining DOT 3/4 will suck all the
purple dye out of the DOT 5.

Randall

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From: "Dave Connitt" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 18:04:34 -0400

Randall,
Interesting. I have been running DOT3 in my TR4A since I got the car
drivable (about 2 years now) and only used DOT3 because there was a big
sticker on the side of the master cylinder telling me "USE ONLY DOT 3 BRAKE
FLUID OR WARRENTY IS VOID". I was wondering how big a PIA it would be to
flush out the DOT3 fluid and replace it with DOT5. I have read many posts on
this list where people have used DOT 5 with no issues so I am considering
changing over as I should probably replace the current fluid after 2 years
anyway.
Dave Connitt

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Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 4:09 PM
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake master cylinder

Randall

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From: Cliff Hansen <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 03:06:14 +0000

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I had to change all the hoses - they all leaked after I switched to DOT5. I=
'd already rebuilt the calipers and cylinders and had new brake lines  I su=
ppose I shouldn't had reused the hoses.
Cliff

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Randall=2C
flush out the DOT3 fluid and replace it with DOT5. I have read many posts o=
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> fresh MC=2C fill it with silicone=2C then bleed each brake till I see
> purple fluid.

Another contested question.  My experience is as Paul said=2C just "bleedin=
g
through" will not remove all of the old brake fluid from the system.
However=2C I saw no ill effects from the small pockets of old fluid left ov=
er.
The DOT 5 will not mix with the old fluid=2C and is slightly less dense=2C =
so
you get little pockets of fluid in corners that don't get used (like the
base of the rear slave cylinders).  The DOT 5 also surrounds it=2C so it ca=
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Interesting. I have been running DOT3 in my TR4A since I got the car<br>
drivable (about 2 years now) and only used DOT3 because there was a big<br>
sticker on the side of the master cylinder telling me &quot=3BUSE ONLY DOT =
3 BRAKE<br>
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flush out the DOT3 fluid and replace it with DOT5. I have read many posts o=
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r>
changing over as I should probably replace the current fluid after 2 years<=
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anyway.<br>
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The DOT 5 will not mix with the old fluid=2C and is slightly less dense=2C =
so<br>
you get little pockets of fluid in corners that don't get used (like the<br=
base of the rear slave cylinders).&nbsp=3B The DOT 5 also surrounds it=2C s=
o it can't<br>
promote corrosion (and I assume not absorb water or salt).<br>
<br>
Main disadvantage seems to be that the remaining DOT 3/4 will suck all the<=
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Interesting. I have been running DOT3 in my TR4A since I got the car<br>
drivable (about 2 years now) and only used DOT3 because there was a big<br>
sticker on the side of the master cylinder telling me "USE ONLY DOT 3 BRAKE<br>
FLUID OR WARRENTY IS VOID". I was wondering how big a PIA it would be to<br>
flush out the DOT3 fluid and replace it with DOT5. I have read many posts on<br>
this list where people have used DOT 5 with no issues so I am considering<br>
changing over as I should probably replace the current fluid after 2 years<br>
anyway.<br>
Dave Connitt<br>
<br>
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Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 4:09 PM<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>
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&gt; That was going to be my next question. About how carefully one had to <br>
&gt; drain the dot 4 when installing dot 5. It sounds like I can put in my <br>
&gt; fresh MC, fill it with silicone, then bleed each brake till I see <br>
&gt; purple fluid.<br>
<br>
Another contested question.&nbsp; My experience is as Paul said, just "bleeding<br>
through" will not remove all of the old brake fluid from the system.<br>
However, I saw no ill effects from the small pockets of old fluid left over.<br>
The DOT 5 will not mix with the old fluid, and is slightly less dense, so<br>
you get little pockets of fluid in corners that don't get used (like the<br>
base of the rear slave cylinders).&nbsp; The DOT 5 also surrounds it, so it can't<br>
promote corrosion (and I assume not absorb water or salt).<br>
<br>
Main disadvantage seems to be that the remaining DOT 3/4 will suck all the<br>
purple dye out of the DOT 5.<br>
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On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 6:04 PM, Dave Connitt <[email-masked]> wrote:
> I have read many posts on
> this list where people have used DOT 5 with no issues

I wonder how many people are running DOT 4 (Castrol GT LMA, et al.)
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I used Castrol GT LMA for  a couple years with no functional problems. =
The problem I wanted to solve was that it is wonderful paint remover.

I just got tired of repainting my engine bay when things leaked. But =
leaking was not the fluids fault it was the consequences of my bad =
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normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;">Extreme Parts Racing&nbsp;(more than just a haircut)</div><div =
style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br></div><div>71TR6 CC57365 (Good =
6)</div><div style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
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text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
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On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> I wonder how many people are running DOT 4 (Castrol GT LMA, et al.)

I have had master cylinders fail, slaves leak, lines crack, brake
switches cease working and check valves gum up.  This was with DOT5.  And
before that with DOT4.  This over the course of 45 years of TRs.

The thing is - it is easy to find examples of brake issues or problems -
the bugaboo is deciding if there is a causal relationship to the brake
fluid formula being used.

I've used DOT5 exclusively for the past 16 years and really can't say that
brake parts have failed less or more in that time.  I can say that its
harmlessness to paint makes it much easier to work with.

Geo

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com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204=
);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><span>On Tue, Mar 29, 2016=
 at 6:04 PM, Dave Connitt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">dconnitt=
@fuse.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; I have read many posts on<br>
&gt; this list where people have used DOT 5 with no issues<br>
<br>
</span>I wonder how many people are running DOT 4 (Castrol GT LMA, et al.)<=
br>
without any problem?<br></blockquote><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">I have had m=
aster cylinders fail, slaves leak, lines crack, brake switches=C2=A0cease w=
orking=C2=A0and check valves gum up.=C2=A0=C2=A0This was with DOT5.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0And before that=C2=A0with DOT4.=C2=A0 This over the course of 45 year=
s of TRs.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">The thing is - it is easy to find exam=
ples of brake issues or problems - the bugaboo is deciding if there is a ca=
usal relationship to the brake fluid formula being used.</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">I&#39;ve used DOT5 exclu=
sively for the past 16 years and really can&#39;t say that brake parts have=
 failed less or more in that time.=C2=A0 I can say that its harmlessness to=
 paint makes it much easier to work with.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><=
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Hi Cliff!

Did you go with the fancy braided hoses or stay with the rubber hoses? I =
am thinking about switching over to the braded ones while I am at it but =
don=E2=80=99t know if the gain is worth the expense.

Dave Connitt

=20

=20

From: Cliff Hansen [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:06 PM
To: 'Randall' <[email-masked]>; Dave Connitt <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake master cylinder

=20

I had to change all the hoses - they all leaked after I switched to =
DOT5. I'd already rebuilt the calipers and cylinders and had new brake =
lines  I suppose I shouldn't had reused the hoses.

=20

Cliff

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=20

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 7:29 PM -0700, "Dave Connitt" <[email-masked] =

Randall,
Interesting. I have been running DOT3 in my TR4A since I got the car
drivable (about 2 years now) and only used DOT3 because there was a big
sticker on the side of the master cylinder telling me "USE ONLY DOT 3 =
BRAKE
FLUID OR WARRENTY IS VOID". I was wondering how big a PIA it would be to
flush out the DOT3 fluid and replace it with DOT5. I have read many =
posts on
this list where people have used DOT 5 with no issues so I am =
considering
changing over as I should probably replace the current fluid after 2 =
years
anyway.
Dave Connitt

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
Randall
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake master cylinder

> That was going to be my next question. About how carefully one had to=20
> drain the dot 4 when installing dot 5. It sounds like I can put in my=20

Another contested question.  My experience is as Paul said, just =
"bleeding
through" will not remove all of the old brake fluid from the system.
However, I saw no ill effects from the small pockets of old fluid left =
over.
The DOT 5 will not mix with the old fluid, and is slightly less dense, =
so
you get little pockets of fluid in corners that don't get used (like the
base of the rear slave cylinders).  The DOT 5 also surrounds it, so it =
can't
promote corrosion (and I assume not absorb water or salt).

Main disadvantage seems to be that the remaining DOT 3/4 will suck all =
the
purple dye out of the DOT 5.

Randall

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expense.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Cliff Hansen [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, =
March 29, 2016 11:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Randall' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Dave Connitt =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR6 brake master =
cylinder<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I had =
to change all the hoses - they all leaked after I switched to DOT5. I'd =
already rebuilt the calipers and cylinders and had new brake lines =
&nbsp;I suppose I shouldn't had reused the =
hoses.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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iOS</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at =
7:29 PM -0700, &quot;Dave Connitt&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Randall,<br>Interesting. I have been running DOT3 in =
my TR4A since I got the car<br>drivable (about 2 years now) and only =
used DOT3 because there was a big<br>sticker on the side of the master =
cylinder telling me &quot;USE ONLY DOT 3 BRAKE<br>FLUID OR WARRENTY IS =
VOID&quot;. I was wondering how big a PIA it would be to<br>flush out =
the DOT3 fluid and replace it with DOT5. I have read many posts =
on<br>this list where people have used DOT 5 with no issues so I am =
considering<br>changing over as I should probably replace the current =
fluid after 2 years<br>anyway.<br>Dave Connitt<br><br>-----Original =
Message-----<br>From: Triumphs [<a =
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utox.team.net</a>] On Behalf Of Randall<br>Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 =
4:09 PM<br>Cc: <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>Su=
bject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake master cylinder<br><br><br>&gt; That was going =
to be my next question. About how carefully one had to <br>&gt; drain =
the dot 4 when installing dot 5. It sounds like I can put in my <br>&gt; =
fresh MC, fill it with silicone, then bleed each brake till I see =
<br>&gt; purple fluid.<br><br>Another contested question.&nbsp; My =
experience is as Paul said, just &quot;bleeding<br>through&quot; will =
not remove all of the old brake fluid from the system.<br>However, I saw =
no ill effects from the small pockets of old fluid left over.<br>The DOT =
5 will not mix with the old fluid, and is slightly less dense, so<br>you =
get little pockets of fluid in corners that don't get used (like =
the<br>base of the rear slave cylinders).&nbsp; The DOT 5 also surrounds =
it, so it can't<br>promote corrosion (and I assume not absorb water or =
salt).<br><br>Main disadvantage seems to be that the remaining DOT 3/4 =
will suck all the<br>purple dye out of the DOT =
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The rubber ones. I haven't driven enough to decide if they are affecting br=
ake performance. Wish I'd had heard about that before I bought the hoses.

Get Outlook for iOS

On Wed=2C Mar 30=2C 2016 at 5:28 PM -0700=2C "Dave Connitt" <dconnitt@fuse.=
net> wrote:

Hi Cliff!

Did you go with the fancy braided hoses or stay with the rubber hoses? I am=
 thinking about switching over to the braded ones while I am at it but don=
=E2=80=99t know if the gain is worth the expense.

Dave Connitt

From: Cliff Hansen [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Tuesday=2C March 29=2C 2016 11:06 PM
To: 'Randall' <[email-masked]>=3B Dave Connitt <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake master cylinder

Cliff

Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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ize:11.0pt=3B font-family:&quot=3BCalibri&quot=3B=2Csans-serif"> Cliff Hans=
en [mailto:[email-masked]]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday=2C March 29=2C 2016 11:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Randall' &lt=[email-masked]&gt=3B=3B Dave Connitt &lt=3B=
[email-masked]&gt=3B<br>
<b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR6 brake master cylinder</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp=3B</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">I had to change all the hoses - they all leaked af=
ter I switched to DOT5. I'd already rebuilt the calipers and cylinders and =
had new brake lines &nbsp=3BI suppose I shouldn't had reused the hoses.</p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp=3B</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Cliff</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Get <a href=3D"https://aka.ms/o0ukef">Outlook for =
iOS</a></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp=3B</p>
</div>
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<br>
</p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Tue=2C Mar 29=2C=
 2016 at 7:29 PM -0700=2C &quot=3BDave Connitt&quot=3B &lt=3B<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt=3B wrote:=
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Randall=2C<br>
Interesting. I have been running DOT3 in my TR4A since I got the car<br>
drivable (about 2 years now) and only used DOT3 because there was a big<br>
sticker on the side of the master cylinder telling me &quot=3BUSE ONLY DOT =
3 BRAKE<br>
FLUID OR WARRENTY IS VOID&quot=3B. I was wondering how big a PIA it would b=
e to<br>
flush out the DOT3 fluid and replace it with DOT5. I have read many posts o=
n<br>
this list where people have used DOT 5 with no issues so I am considering<b=
r>
changing over as I should probably replace the current fluid after 2 years<=
br>
anyway.<br>
Dave Connitt<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Triumphs [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:t=
[email-masked]</a>] On Behalf Of Randall<br>
Sent: Monday=2C March 28=2C 2016 4:09 PM<br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><=
br>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake master cylinder<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt=3B That was going to be my next question. About how carefully one had t=
o <br>
&gt=3B drain the dot 4 when installing dot 5. It sounds like I can put in m=
y <br>
&gt=3B fresh MC=2C fill it with silicone=2C then bleed each brake till I se=
e <br>
&gt=3B purple fluid.<br>
<br>
Another contested question.&nbsp=3B My experience is as Paul said=2C just &=
quot=3Bbleeding<br>
through&quot=3B will not remove all of the old brake fluid from the system.=
<br>
However=2C I saw no ill effects from the small pockets of old fluid left ov=
er.<br>
The DOT 5 will not mix with the old fluid=2C and is slightly less dense=2C =
so<br>
you get little pockets of fluid in corners that don't get used (like the<br=
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Go with the braided lines, you won't regret it.  After watching the rubber l=
ines balloon during a bleeding session a few months back its only braid cove=
red from here on out.  Consider it cheap insurance.=20

Bill B

Sent from my VIC-64

On Mar 30, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Dave Connitt <[email-masked]> wrote:

Hi Cliff!
Did you go with the fancy braided hoses or stay with the rubber hoses? I am t=
hinking about switching over to the braded ones while I am at it but don=E2=80=
=99t know if the gain is worth the expense.
Dave Connitt
=20
=20
From: Cliff Hansen [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:06 PM
To: 'Randall' <[email-masked]>; Dave Connitt <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake master cylinder
=20
I had to change all the hoses - they all leaked after I switched to DOT5. I'=
d already rebuilt the calipers and cylinders and had new brake lines  I supp=
ose I shouldn't had reused the hoses.
=20
Cliff

Get Outlook for iOS
=20

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 7:29 PM -0700, "Dave Connitt" <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:

Randall,
flush out the DOT3 fluid and replace it with DOT5. I have read many posts on=

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Randall=

Another contested question.  My experience is as Paul said, just "bleeding
through" will not remove all of the old brake fluid from the system.
However, I saw no ill effects from the small pockets of old fluid left over.=

The DOT 5 will not mix with the old fluid, and is slightly less dense, so
you get little pockets of fluid in corners that don't get used (like the
base of the rear slave cylinders).  The DOT 5 also surrounds it, so it can't=

Randall

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
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egret it. &nbsp;After watching the rubber lines balloon during a bleeding se=
ssion a few months back its only braid covered from here on out. &nbsp;Consi=
der it cheap insurance.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div>=
<div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Bill B<br><br>Sent from my VIC-64</div><div><=
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oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
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"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Did you go wit=
h the fancy braided hoses or stay with the rubber hoses? I am thinking about=
 switching over to the braded ones while I am at it but don=E2=80=99t know i=
f the gain is worth the expense.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
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libri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Cliff Hansen [<a href=3D"mailto:cli=
[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b>=
 Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Randall' &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Dave Connitt &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Sub=
ject:</b> Re: [TR] TR6 brake master cylinder<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I h=
ad to change all the hoses - they all leaked after I switched to DOT5. I'd a=
lready rebuilt the calipers and cylinders and had new brake lines &nbsp;I su=
ppose I shouldn't had reused the hoses.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"=
margin-bottom:12.0pt">Cliff<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Get <a=
 href=3D"https://aka.ms/o0ukef">Outlook for iOS</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D=
"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" st=
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use.net</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
Randall,<br>Interesting. I have been running DOT3 in my TR4A since I got the=
 car<br>drivable (about 2 years now) and only used DOT3 because there was a b=
ig<br>sticker on the side of the master cylinder telling me "USE ONLY DOT 3 B=
RAKE<br>FLUID OR WARRENTY IS VOID". I was wondering how big a PIA it would b=
e to<br>flush out the DOT3 fluid and replace it with DOT5. I have read many p=
osts on<br>this list where people have used DOT 5 with no issues so I am con=
sidering<br>changing over as I should probably replace the current fluid aft=
er 2 years<br>anyway.<br>Dave Connitt<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From:=
 Triumphs [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:triumph=
[email-masked]</a>] On Behalf Of Randall<br>Sent: Monday, March 28=
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tox.team.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake master cylinder<br><br><br>&=
gt; That was going to be my next question. About how carefully one had to <b=
r>&gt; drain the dot 4 when installing dot 5. It sounds like I can put in my=
 <br>&gt; fresh MC, fill it with silicone, then bleed each brake till I see <=
br>&gt; purple fluid.<br><br>Another contested question.&nbsp; My experience=
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rake fluid from the system.<br>However, I saw no ill effects from the small p=
ockets of old fluid left over.<br>The DOT 5 will not mix with the old fluid,=
 and is slightly less dense, so<br>you get little pockets of fluid in corner=
s that don't get used (like the<br>base of the rear slave cylinders).&nbsp; T=
he DOT 5 also surrounds it, so it can't<br>promote corrosion (and I assume n=
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I went with braided hoses up front purely by accident.  A major supplier's
rubber hoses were out of stock and they offered a pair of the braided at no
additional cost to get me back on the road.  Nice guys in PA.

I was amazed at how much firmer the pedal felt (this is with DOT5).  I
still have rubber for the single line in the back which isn't all bad as in
a 'pinch' (pun intended) I can clamp off that line to deal with a rear
brake leak on the road (have had to do this twice through the years).

Geo

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Dave Connitt <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Hi Cliff!
>
> Did you go with the fancy braided hoses or stay with the rubber hoses? I
> am thinking about switching over to the braded ones while I am at it but
> *From:* Cliff Hansen [mailto:[email-masked]]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:06 PM
> *To:* 'Randall' <[email-masked]>; Dave Connitt <[email-masked]>
>
> *Cc:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] TR6 brake master cylinder
>
>
>
> I had to change all the hoses - they all leaked after I switched to DOT5.
> I'd already rebuilt the calipers and cylinders and had new brake lines  I
> suppose I shouldn't had reused the hoses.
>
>
>
> Cliff
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 7:29 PM -0700, "Dave Connitt" <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> Randall,
> sticker on the side of the master cylinder telling me "USE ONLY DOT 3 BRA=
KE
> changing over as I should probably replace the current fluid after 2 year=
s
> From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]
> <[email-masked]>] On Behalf Of Randall
> Another contested question.  My experience is as Paul said, just "bleedin=
g
> Main disadvantage seems to be that the remaining DOT 3/4 will suck all th=
e
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I went with braided hoses up front purely by accident=
.=C2=A0 A major supplier&#39;s rubber hoses were out of stock and they offe=
red a pair of the braided at no additional cost to get me back on the road.=
=C2=A0 Nice guys in PA.</div><div><br></div><div>I was amazed at how much f=
irmer the pedal felt (this is with DOT5).=C2=A0 I still have rubber for the=
 single line in the back which isn&#39;t all bad as in a &#39;pinch&#39; (p=
un intended) I can clamp off that line to deal with a rear brake leak on th=
e=C2=A0road (have had to do this twice through the years).</div><div><br></=
div><div>Geo=C2=A0</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Dave Connitt <span dir=3D"ltr=
">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">dconnitt@fuse.=
net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN=
-US" vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Hi Cliff!<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Did you go with the fancy braid=
ed hoses or stay with the rubber hoses? I am thinking about switching over =
to the braded ones while I am at it but don=E2=80=99t know if the gain is w=
orth the expense.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Dave Connit=
t<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family=
:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D=
"border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:r=
gb(225,225,225) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;=
,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> Cliff Hansen [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:cliff_h=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>] <br><b>S=
ent:</b> Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> &#39;Randall&#39; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
.com</a>&gt;; Dave Connitt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><div><div class=3D"h5"><br><b>C=
c:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">triumph=
[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR6 brake master cylinder<=
u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p></p></div></div><div><div class=3D"h5"><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I ha=
d to change all the hoses - they all leaked after I switched to DOT5. I&#39=
;d already rebuilt the calipers and cylinders and had new brake lines =C2=
=A0I suppose I shouldn&#39;t had reused the hoses.<u></u><u></u></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Cliff<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">Get <a href=3D"https://aka.ms/o0ukef" target=3D"_blank">Outl=
ook for iOS</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><br><b=
r><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt=
">On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 7:29 PM -0700, &quot;Dave Connitt&quot; &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Randall,<br=
>Interesting. I have been running DOT3 in my TR4A since I got the car<br>dr=
ivable (about 2 years now) and only used DOT3 because there was a big<br>st=
icker on the side of the master cylinder telling me &quot;USE ONLY DOT 3 BR=
AKE<br>FLUID OR WARRENTY IS VOID&quot;. I was wondering how big a PIA it wo=
uld be to<br>flush out the DOT3 fluid and replace it with DOT5. I have read=
 many posts on<br>this list where people have used DOT 5 with no issues so =
I am considering<br>changing over as I should probably replace the current =
fluid after 2 years<br>anyway.<br>Dave Connitt<br><br>-----Original Message=
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bject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake master cylinder<br><br><br>&gt; That was going to=
 be my next question. About how carefully one had to <br>&gt; drain the dot=
 4 when installing dot 5. It sounds like I can put in my <br>&gt; fresh MC,=
 fill it with silicone, then bleed each brake till I see <br>&gt; purple fl=
uid.<br><br>Another contested question.=C2=A0 My experience is as Paul said=
, just &quot;bleeding<br>through&quot; will not remove all of the old brake=
 fluid from the system.<br>However, I saw no ill effects from the small poc=
kets of old fluid left over.<br>The DOT 5 will not mix with the old fluid, =
and is slightly less dense, so<br>you get little pockets of fluid in corner=
s that don&#39;t get used (like the<br>base of the rear slave cylinders).=
=C2=A0 The DOT 5 also surrounds it, so it can&#39;t<br>promote corrosion (a=
nd I assume not absorb water or salt).<br><br>Main disadvantage seems to be=
 that the remaining DOT 3/4 will suck all the<br>purple dye out of the DOT =
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