Subject: Re: [TR] Stag Rear End Squat

From: john Mitchell <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 07:23:18 -0500

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I've had the same problem with the Stag list.    John

On 3/9/2016 5:43 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote:
> Well, the Stag motor purrs, drove to the end of driveway and back (!) 
> and all seems well.
> BUT the rear end sags something awful, showing a reverse camber of a 
> full inch. Are the springs too short? Remember I bought this project 
> "in boxes" and all suspension parts were new. I don't remember it 
> being this bad when I trailered it to the paint shop, but that doesn't 
> mean much.
>
> Despite the squat, the car sits pretty level, only about 1/2 inch 
> lower at the rear measuring from the rocker chrome.
>
> Could the DPO have simply bought the incorrect spring? Or is it 
> something else?
>
> Many thanks
>
> John Howard
>
> Oh  - and cannot connect to the Stag list. Is something up (or down) 
> there?
>
>
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    I've had the same problem with the Stag list.    John<br>
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                  <div>Well, the Stag motor purrs, drove to the end of
                    driveway and back (!) and all seems well.<br>
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                  BUT the rear end sags something awful, showing a
                  reverse camber of a full inch. Are the springs too
                  short? Remember I bought this project "in boxes" and
                  all suspension parts were new. I don't remember it
                  being this bad when I trailered it to the paint shop,
                  but that doesn't mean much. <br>
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                Despite the squat, the car sits pretty level, only about
                1/2 inch lower at the rear measuring from the rocker
                chrome.<br>
                <br>
              </div>
              Could the DPO have simply bought the incorrect spring? Or
              is it something else?<br>
              <br>
            </div>
            Many thanks<br>
            <br>
          </div>
          John Howard<br>
          <br>
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        Oh  - and cannot connect to the Stag list. Is something up (or
        down) there?<br>
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Hi John,

=20

My apologies for the delay.

=20

You mention this project was in boxes?  Was the suspension also in boxes =
or was it a rolling chassis?

=20

Excessive rear camber, in my experience, is almost always due to =
elongation of the subframe bolt holes supporting the differential. =20

This allows the subframe arms to lower, in turn taking the trailing arms =
to sag toward the center of the chassis, and in turn the camber becomes =
excessive.

The only lateral hold of the subframe bolts is a bit of bent sheet steel =
that cannot support the bolt weight.

=20

I have photos somewhere of repairs to the subframe inner bolt holes =
where I applied a repair using heavy wall pipe with an ID that matched =
the OD of the Subframe bolts. =20

I drilled out the subframe holes using a unibit in a drill press to fit =
the OD of the pipe, cut pipe pieces to fit to the outside edge of the =
subframe metal and welded them in place.  Then I suitably ground,  =
painted and rustproofed the upgrade repair.

=20

Alternatively it might be weak coil springs, however that can be =
temporarily corrected by adding a machined spacer or thicker rubber =
insulators under the spring.

=20

First check however would be the subframe bolt holes.  You can jack the =
car and look to see of the differential plate to subframe arms has =
shifted, a tell-tale sign of elongation of the bolt holes.

=20

Cheers!

=20

Glenn Merrell =20

aka StagByTriumph Garage (now on FaceBook)

Remember, =E2=80=9Cthe BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone =
chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen =E2=80=A6 with the =
occasional smell of manure!=E2=80=9D

=20

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
Lee&John Howard
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 3:44 PM
To: triumph list list
Subject: [TR] Stag Rear End Squat

=20

Well, the Stag motor purrs, drove to the end of driveway and back (!) =
and all seems well.

BUT the rear end sags something awful, showing a reverse camber of a =
full inch. Are the springs too short? Remember I bought this project "in =
boxes" and all suspension parts were new. I don't remember it being this =
bad when I trailered it to the paint shop, but that doesn't mean much.=20

Despite the squat, the car sits pretty level, only about 1/2 inch lower =
at the rear measuring from the rocker chrome.

Could the DPO have simply bought the incorrect spring? Or is it =
something else?

Many thanks

John Howard

Oh  - and cannot connect to the Stag list. Is something up (or down) =
there?

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D'>Hi John,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>My apologies for the delay.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>You mention this project was in boxes?=C2=A0 Was the suspension also =
in boxes or was it a rolling chassis?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Excessive rear camber, in my experience, is almost always due to =
elongation of the subframe bolt holes supporting the differential.=C2=A0 =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>This allows the subframe arms to lower, in turn taking the trailing =
arms to sag toward the center of the chassis, and in turn the camber =
becomes excessive.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The only lateral hold of the subframe bolts is a bit of bent sheet =
steel that cannot support the bolt weight.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I have photos somewhere of repairs to the subframe inner bolt holes =
where I applied a repair using heavy wall pipe with an ID that matched =
the OD of the Subframe bolts.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I drilled out the subframe holes using a unibit in a drill press to =
fit the OD of the pipe, cut pipe pieces to fit to the outside edge of =
the subframe metal and welded them in place.=C2=A0 Then I suitably =
ground, =C2=A0painted and rustproofed the upgrade =
repair.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Alternatively it might be weak coil springs, however that can be =
temporarily corrected by adding a machined spacer or thicker rubber =
insulators under the spring.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>First check however would be the subframe bolt holes.=C2=A0 You can =
jack the car and look to see of the differential plate to subframe arms =
has shifted, a tell-tale sign of elongation of the bolt =
holes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Glenn Merrell=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>aka StagByTriumph Garage (now on FaceBook)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Remember, =E2=80=9Cthe BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; =
Stone chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen =E2=80=A6 with =
the occasional smell of manure!=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Lee&amp;John Howard<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 09, 2016 3:44 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> triumph list list<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] Stag Rear End =
Squat<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal>Well, the Stag motor purrs, drove to the end of =
driveway and back (!) and all seems well.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>BUT the rear end sags =
something awful, showing a reverse camber of a full inch. Are the =
springs too short? Remember I bought this project &quot;in boxes&quot; =
and all suspension parts were new. I don't remember it being this bad =
when I trailered it to the paint shop, but that doesn't mean much. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Despite the squat, the car sits pretty =
level, only about 1/2 inch lower at the rear measuring from the rocker =
chrome.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Could the DPO have simply bought the =
incorrect spring? Or is it something else?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Many =
thanks<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>John Howard<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Oh&nbsp; - and cannot connect to the Stag list. Is =
something up (or down) there?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>
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Hi John,

=20

It is possible the PO bought a lowering kit which I recall uses shorter =
springs. =20

The lowering kit that Tony Hart Sells uses red springs, see if it looks =
like these:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-Stag-NEW-suspension-lowering-kit-MK1-AND-=
MK2-/371570077106?hash=3Ditem56834d6db2

=20

Have a look at the front springs, they have the tell-tale different coil =
spacing

=20

Lowering, when done correctly, will not leave the rear camber off =
because Tony=E2=80=99s kit uses new Camber adjusting blocks for the =
Semi-trailing arm to compensate for the lowering.=20

So something else must be off.

=20

If it is a Tony Hart Kit, there are instructions specifically to adjust =
the camber blocks correctly =E2=80=93 the inside ones might be on upside =
down.  Maybe an email to Tony and ask him to email you the instructions =
for his kit if not in the PO=E2=80=99s paperwork.

=20

The site for TSN I intend to revive as soon as I can get access to the =
files from Richard.  There is too much historical information there.

Stag-By-Triumph Garage is an extension of TSN but for the physical part, =
and will be linked to TSN when it is back up and running on a new =
provider.

=20

Cheers!

=20

=20

Glenn Merrell =20

=20

=20

=20

From: Lee&John Howard [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:37 PM
To: Glenn A. Merrell
Subject: Re: [TR] Stag Rear End Squat

=20

My apologies.  Let me try again.

The car was totally stripped when I bought it. The PO had all new =
suspension parts, and I went about assembling according to the ROM and =
the Parts manual.  This all happened in his garage, and after I got it =
on wheels and the engine installed, I trailered it home, and never =
noticed how badly out of whack the rear wheels are.

The four springs appeared to be a set,  all colored orangey-red, and I'm =
now wondering if they are stock.  Do you what the relaxed length is =
supposed to be? I also have a toe-in problem, and discover I put the =
shims on the inside bracket!  That's the sort of thing that's been =
happening all along as I lacked the knowledge that comes from being the =
disassembler.=20

I will definitely check those bolt holes; while I should have noticed =
when putting it together, very likely I did not.

I like your repair and could deal with it if necessary, but I'msure not =
anxious to drop the rear end. I am so close to the road!

Thanks for your regular help on this.

Have you dropped your old website in favor of the Facebook page? ( which =
is good fun, BTW.)

=20

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 9:06 AM, <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

Hi John,

You mention this project was in boxes?  Was the suspension also in boxes =
or was it a rolling chassis?=20

The only lateral hold of the subframe bolts is a bit of bent sheet steel =
that cannot support the bolt weight.=20

I drilled out the subframe holes using a unibit in a drill press to fit =
the OD of the pipe, cut pipe pieces to fit to the outside edge of the =
subframe metal and welded them in place.  Then I suitably ground,  =
painted and rustproofed the upgrade repair.=20

Alternatively it might be weak coil springs, however that can be =
temporarily corrected by adding a machined spacer or thicker rubber =
insulators under the spring.=20

First check however would be the subframe bolt holes.  You can jack the =
car and look to see of the differential plate to subframe arms has =
shifted, a tell-tale sign of elongation of the bolt holes.=20

Cheers!

 Glenn Merrell  aka StagByTriumph Garage (now on FaceBook)

=20

=20

=20

Many thanks

John Howard

=20

=20

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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>It is possible the PO bought a lowering kit which I recall uses =
shorter springs. =C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The lowering kit that Tony Hart Sells uses red springs, see if it =
looks like these:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><a =
href=3D"http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-Stag-NEW-suspension-lowering-kit-=
MK1-AND-MK2-/371570077106?hash=3Ditem56834d6db2">http://www.ebay.com/itm/=
Triumph-Stag-NEW-suspension-lowering-kit-MK1-AND-MK2-/371570077106?hash=3D=
item56834d6db2</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Have a look at the front springs, they have the tell-tale different =
coil spacing<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Lowering, when done correctly, will not leave the rear camber off =
because Tony=E2=80=99s kit uses new Camber adjusting blocks for the =
Semi-trailing arm to compensate for the lowering. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>So something else must be off.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>If it is a Tony Hart Kit, there are instructions specifically to =
adjust the camber blocks correctly =E2=80=93 the inside ones might be on =
upside down.=C2=A0 Maybe an email to Tony and ask him to email you the =
instructions for his kit if not in the PO=E2=80=99s =
paperwork.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The site for TSN I intend to revive as soon as I can get access to =
the files from Richard.=C2=A0 There is too much historical information =
there.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Stag-By-Triumph Garage is an extension of TSN but for the physical =
part, and will be linked to TSN when it is back up and running on a new =
provider.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Glenn Merrell=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>aka StagByTriumph Garage (<i>now on =
FaceBook</i>)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Remember, =E2=80=9Cthe BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; =
Stone chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen =E2=80=A6 with =
the occasional smell of manure!=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Lee&amp;John Howard [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> =
Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> Glenn A. =
Merrell<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Stag Rear End =
Squat<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>My apologies.&nbsp; =
Let me try again.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>The car was totally stripped when I =
bought it. The PO had all new suspension parts, and I went about =
assembling according to the ROM and the Parts manual.&nbsp; This all =
happened in his garage, and after I got it on wheels and the engine =
installed, I trailered it home, and never noticed how badly out of whack =
the rear wheels are.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>The four springs appeared to be a =
set,&nbsp; all colored orangey-red, and I'm now wondering if they are =
stock.&nbsp; Do you what the relaxed length is supposed to be? I also =
have a toe-in problem, and discover I put the shims on the inside =
bracket!&nbsp; That's the sort of thing that's been happening all along =
as I lacked the knowledge that comes from being the disassembler. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I will definitely check those =
bolt holes; while I should have noticed when putting it together, very =
likely I did not.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I like your repair and could deal with it =
if necessary, but I'msure not anxious to drop the rear end. I am =
<u>so</u> close to the road!<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Thanks for your regular help on =
this.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Have you dropped your old website in =
favor of the Facebook page? ( which is good fun, =
BTW.)<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 9:06 AM, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hi John,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;My apologies for the delay.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>You mention this project was in boxes?&nbsp; Was the suspension also =
in boxes or was it a rolling chassis?&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Excessive rear camber, in my experience, is almost always due to =
elongation of the subframe bolt holes supporting the differential.&nbsp; =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>This allows the subframe arms to lower, in turn taking the trailing =
arms to sag toward the center of the chassis, and in turn the camber =
becomes excessive.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The only lateral hold of the subframe bolts is a bit of bent sheet =
steel that cannot support the bolt weight.&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I have photos somewhere of repairs to the subframe inner bolt holes =
where I applied a repair using heavy wall pipe with an ID that matched =
the OD of the Subframe bolts.&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I drilled out the subframe holes using a unibit in a drill press to =
fit the OD of the pipe, cut pipe pieces to fit to the outside edge of =
the subframe metal and welded them in place.&nbsp; Then I suitably =
ground, &nbsp;painted and rustproofed the upgrade =
repair.&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Alternatively it might be weak coil springs, however that can be =
temporarily corrected by adding a machined spacer or thicker rubber =
insulators under the spring.&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>First check however would be the subframe bolt holes.&nbsp; You can =
jack the car and look to see of the differential plate to subframe arms =
has shifted, a tell-tale sign of elongation of the bolt =
holes.&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;Glenn Merrell&nbsp; aka StagByTriumph Garage (now on =
FaceBook)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Remember, =E2=80=9Cthe BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; =
Stone chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen =E2=80=A6 with =
the occasional smell of manure!=E2=80=9D</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Lee&amp;John Howard<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 09, 2016 3:44 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> triumph list list<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] Stag Rear End =
Squat</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Well, the =
Stag motor purrs, drove to the end of driveway and back (!) and all =
seems well.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>BUT the rear end =
sags something awful, showing a reverse camber of a full inch. Are the =
springs too short? Remember I bought this project &quot;in boxes&quot; =
and all suspension parts were new. I don't remember it being this bad =
when I trailered it to the paint shop, but that doesn't mean much. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Despite the =
squat, the car sits pretty level, only about 1/2 inch lower at the rear =
measuring from the rocker chrome.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Could the DPO =
have simply bought the incorrect spring? Or is it something =
else?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Many =
thanks<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>John =
Howard<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Oh&nbsp; - =
and cannot connect to the Stag list. Is something up (or down) =
there?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></di=
v></div><p =
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