Subject: [TR] TR6 brake master cylinder

From: Creig Houghtaling <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 23:36:17 +0000

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Just got a TR6. The brake MC was leaking. I bought a rebuild kit and rebuil=
t it today. Put it back in the car and it leaked worse than before. The MC =
is relatively new, so I have come to the conclusion it is an after market u=
nit and my rebuild kit was for an original MC.

So now I am in the market for a new master cylinder. I have a friend with a=
 TR6 after market MC that is about a year old and it is leaking too. I thin=
k maybe there are some bad after market master cylinders out there.

Does anybody have any advice on how to find a good one?

Creig
St Louis MO

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Just got a TR6. The brake MC was leaking. I bought a rebuild kit and rebuil=
t it today. Put it back in the car and it leaked worse than before. The MC =
is relatively new, so I have come to the conclusion it is an after market u=
nit and my rebuild kit was for an
 original MC.<br>
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So now I am in the market for a new master cylinder. I have a friend with a=
 TR6 after market MC that is about a year old and it is leaking too. I thin=
k maybe there are some bad after market master cylinders out there.
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Does anybody have any advice on how to find a good one? <br>
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St Louis MO<br>
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From: <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:21:47 +0000

I got the TRW as described below about 6-7 years ago, same story, silicone fluid, no leaks.  I didn't talk to Ted, just dumb luck that I apparently got a good one.

Greg Lemon
TR250

---- Irv Korey <[email-masked]> wrote: 
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Creig Houghtaling <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Just got a TR6. The brake MC was leaking. I bought a rebuild kit and
> > rebuilt it today. Put it back in the car and it leaked worse than before.
> > The MC is relatively new, so I have come to the conclusion it is an after
> > market unit and my rebuild kit was for an original MC.
> >
> > So now I am in the market for a new master cylinder. I have a friend with
> > a TR6 after market MC that is about a year old and it is leaking too. I
> > think maybe there are some bad after market master cylinders out there.
> >
> The last time I was in the market for a MC for the TR6, I called Ted
> Schumacher (NFI). At the time, he told me that there were 3 available:
> 
> cheap Asian knockoff - not recommended - cheapest, under $100 at the time
> TRW brand, produced in Asia but "to TRW standards" - mid price, about $150
> or so at the time
> genuine Lucas/Girling NOS - about $300 at the time
> 
> On Ted's recommendation, I bought the TRW. It is now 5+ years later, and
> with silicone brake fluid since Day 1, no leaks (knock on wood dash) or any
> other issues.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Irv Korey
> 74 TR6 CF22767U
> Highland Park, IL

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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 18:37:21 -0700

> Tell me about the Silicone fluid.  I've been using the 
> Castrol LMA exclusively.  Is the Silicone OK with all seals?  
> Sounds like it is if you guys are all using it successfully.

We've had a lot of sometimes heated debate over DOT 5 over the years.  Some hate it and would never use it; others love it and
wouldn't consider anything else.  I'm in the latter camp.  There is a good article at
http://www.buckeyetriumphs.org/technical/Brakes/Fluid/Fluid.htm
that goes over the whys & wherefores, as well as debunking a few myths.  That article mentions some papers that were presented to
the SAE, which you can find at
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2H2NJt34OffdnhWS19scjlNUU0&usp=sharing

In the 30 years or so that I've been using it, I have had a few problems that might possibly have been related to the DOT 5.  It
does seem that when seals & hoses fail with DOT 5, they often get soft and gooey instead of hard and brittle (as they do with DOT
3/4).  But overall, I have had far fewer hydraulic problems using it than I ever had when using DOT 3/4.  Just one example, the TR3A
brake calipers that I rebuilt when converting my previous TR3A (roughly 1986) are still working fine today on my current TR3.

Hard to find in stores, but TRF carries it for about the best price I've found.  And unlike the other brake fluids, it keeps forever
in a previously opened container.  None of this getting old sitting on the shelf stuff.

Randall

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From: <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 4:51:49 +0000

I have been driving British cars for almost 40 years now, the first 25 or so on Castrol LMA exclusively, the last 15 or so on DOT 5.  I switched originally because I got tired of eaten paint, but I now believe it really helps your hydraulic system last longer.  I can't think of anything I have replaced or rebuilt (that was rebuildable and not previously scored or corroded) that has started to leak while using the DOT 5.  In the old days of DOT 3 leaky rear wheel cylinders and an occasional master cylinder issue were fairly regular events (maybe once a year or so, I dont know exactly, but I know I spent a lot of time repairing or replacing hydraulics). 

Maybe they are making the rubber better and it coincided withe my change, maybe I have gotten a little better at putting things together right, but I have, over time, gone from being an "either one is fine" guy, to a truly believing the slippery purple stuff is the superior product.

Greg Lemon

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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 00:54:57 -0700

> It actually causes fisheye in paint - spots where the paint doesn't 
> stick,  Orange peel you can possibly polish out.  Fisheye you 
> can't.  BTDT, many silicone things got banned from the garage.  

There are special solvents you can buy to remove silicone (including DOT 5) from surfaces before painting.  I use PPG DX-330
"Acryli-Clean", there are others.

Getting microscopic droplets of it suspended in the air is a real problem, especially if you do any cleaning with compressed air.  I
have a little desktop electrostatic air filter that I run on high for a few hours before painting, which seems to help a lot.

Randall

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Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 08:24:17 -0500 (CDT)

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A fill and flush of DOT5 will NOT fully clean out the line of all Dot3.<br =
/><br />(silicon will not flush dino based fluids..although the reverse is =
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icone, then bleed each brake till I see purple fluid. The new will push out=
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s discourages the use of silicone fluid is liability. &nbsp;if you just sta=
rt adding silicone fluid to your dot 3/4 brake system, bad things will happ=
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n and flush the system.<br /><br />I, too, have been using silicone (dot 5)=
 in my cars for over a decade. never a problem due to the silicone.<br /><b=
r />the arguments, at least for me, are pretty simple.<br /><br />dot 4/5 e=
ats paint, absorbs water (that's hygroscopic, NOT hydroscopic), and must be=
 bled annually. &nbsp;and when you bleed it, you better be careful about th=
e paint in the wheel wells!<br /><br />dot 5 doesn't. &nbsp;&nbsp;it is sli=
ppery and messy, so yes, you should catch it with a tube as well.<br /><br =
/>if you are painting a car, or some part, be very very careful about silic=
one, even being in the air. &nbsp;it will cause orange peel.<br /><br />the=
 pedal feel with dot 4/5 is a little firmer.<br /><br />want better stoppin=
g - get better brake pads. &nbsp;I got really aggressive pads on my TR6 and=
 noticed a huge difference. &nbsp;still silicone.<br /><br /><br /><br />**=
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 13:09:24 -0700

> That was going to be my next question. About how carefully 
> one had to drain the dot 4 when installing dot 5. It sounds 
> like I can put in my fresh MC, fill it with silicone, then 
> bleed each brake till I see purple fluid. 

Another contested question.  My experience is as Paul said, just "bleeding through" will not remove all of the old brake fluid from
the system.  However, I saw no ill effects from the small pockets of old fluid left over.  The DOT 5 will not mix with the old
fluid, and is slightly less dense, so you get little pockets of fluid in corners that don't get used (like the base of the rear
slave cylinders).  The DOT 5 also surrounds it, so it can't promote corrosion (and I assume not absorb water or salt).

Main disadvantage seems to be that the remaining DOT 3/4 will suck all the purple dye out of the DOT 5.

Randall

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From: Ron Olds <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:20:56 +0000

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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 00:40:54 -0700

> What is the proper way to properly flush the brake system?

Something like:

1) Remove all cylinders, disassemble, clean with brake solvent.  Reassemble with new seals, lubricated with DOT 5 (rather than brake
grease).  
2) Remove all soft lines and replace with new.  (Teflon/SS braid is recommended, as it reduces the soft pedal effect of the DOT 5.)
3) Flush each section of hard line with solvent and dry thoroughly.
4) Reassemble, fill and bleed.  Check for leaks.

Use suitable precautions with the solvent.  Some of them are flammable, some are not, but pretty much all of them are trouble if
exposed to a flame (or welding).  Tetrachloroethylene (aka Perc) and methylene chloride (both chlorinated solvents) have been
outlawed here in CA but may still be available in other places; and can generate phosgene (a poisonous gas used as a chemical weapon
in WWI) when heated.  

-- Randall

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From: "Andrew S. Mace" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 21:27:27 -0400

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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>

I wonder how many people are running DOT 4 (Castrol GT LMA, et al.)
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I wonder how many people are running DOT 4 (Castrol GT LMA, et al.)<br>

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