Subject: [TR] Ring Gear Bolts/Flywheel Bolts

From: William Brewer <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 17:41:19 +0000 (UTC)

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I am preparing to bolt the ring gear onto a newly =
lightened TR3 flywheel. I am thinking of using the special bolts sold by Mo=
ss. My question is: Should I use tab washers to lock the bolts on? I could =
use lockwashers and Loctite Blue and get better results, I think. Any nugge=
ts of wisdom out there?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Likewise, I have the origin=
al flywheel to crankshaft bolts. I could upgrade to the fancy ARP 12 point =
bolts that Moss sells, but it is probably not necessary on a Standard Vangu=
ard street engine. I think on my last TR3 rebuild I just used lockwashers. =
Again, Moss sells tab washers to lock it on, but I think that lockwashers a=
nd Loctite Blue should be fine. Is the added expense of ARP bolts worth it?=
 Any hidden dangers of re-using the original bolts?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 Yesterday my car lift got delivered. I have spend the last 45 years of my =
life laying underneath cars working. I bought a MaxJax from Costco. It was =
on sale for $1799 delivered. Took a while to get it though. MaxJax Portable=
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 TIA,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Bill Brewer=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Tehachapi, CA
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1952 Triumph Renown=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1953 M=
organ +4=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1960 Triumph TR3A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
1974 Triumph TR6

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of using the special bolts sold by Moss. My question is: Should I use tab w=
ashers to lock the bolts on? I could use lockwashers and Loctite Blue and g=
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ikewise, I have the original flywheel to crankshaft bolts. I could upgrade =
to the fancy ARP 12 point bolts that Moss sells, but it is probably not nec=
essary on a Standard Vanguard street engine. I think on my last TR3 rebuild=
 I just used lockwashers. Again, Moss sells tab washers to lock it on, but =
I think that lockwashers and Loctite Blue should be fine. Is the added expe=
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 13:50:30 -0800

> My question is: Should I use tab washers 
> to lock the bolts on? I could use lockwashers and Loctite 
> Blue and get better results, I think. Any nuggets of wisdom out there?

You're perhaps familiar with Carroll Smith's "Tune to Win" series of books?  The one he wanted to call "Screw to Win" has this to
say:

"So called 'lock washers' are popular in certain circles.  There is only one basic problem with lock washers, they don't work."

ISTR there is a similar comment in one of Kas Kastner's books on Triumph Preparation.  They both don't like lock tabs either, for
that matter.

My suggestion is original bolts (if they pass inspection) retained only with Loctite 243.  The ARP bolts are nice, but not needed
for engines that don't see a lot of time over 5000 rpm.

-- Randall

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From: Tony Drews <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2016 22:42:58 -0600

John Deere did a practical engineering study of different methods of 
locking bolts on test rigs.  Lockwashers and locking tabs were 
virtually worthless, Loctite worked pretty well.  They stopped using 
lockwashers and locking tabs and had loads of loctite in the factory 
to use instead.

So, what Randall said.

Regards, Tony Drews

At 03:50 PM 3/3/2016, Randall wrote:
>You're perhaps familiar with Carroll Smith's "Tune to Win" series of 
>books?  The one he wanted to call "Screw to Win" has this to
>say:
>
>"So called 'lock washers' are popular in certain circles.  There is 
>only one basic problem with lock washers, they don't work."
>
>ISTR there is a similar comment in one of Kas Kastner's books on 
>Triumph Preparation.  They both don't like lock tabs either, for
>that matter.
>
>My suggestion is original bolts (if they pass inspection) retained 
>only with Loctite 243.  The ARP bolts are nice, but not needed
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