Subject: Re: [TR] Re; TR6 convertible top questions

From: Robert Rochlin <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:37:38 -0500

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My experience is the same as Peter=92s.  No stretch, but no shrinkage =
either.  I only put my top down when I go cruising in the summer.
	Bob
> On Feb 16, 2016, at 2:40 PM, Dave Murphy <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
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> Peter, Its interesting that you don't have the same width shrinkage =
problem that I have with my tops which spend about 2 days raised each =
year and remain folded all winter. The length on my tops has stretched, =
so they are easier to attach at the header rail than when new. I think =
stretching the length causes the width to shrink (Poisson's Ratio) as in =
an elastic band. Do you mostly keep your top raised?
>=20
> <I have had two sunfast tops on my TR6, one for about 10 years, the =
current one for about five.I have never had a real <shrinkage problem =
either side to side or front to back.  Over the years it will get =
slightly harder to stretch up, but not <enough to really speak of.  =
These are Robbins' sunfast tops.  would not go back to vinyl.
> <Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver =20
> <<The main complaint I have with both the original top and the Sunfast =
is that the tops attach to the velcro on the folding <<side rails for =
only about 2 years before the width of the top "shrinks" and becomes too =
narrow to even reach those side <<rails.=20
> <<-Dave Murphy, Dearborn MI          =20
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class=3D"">My experience is the same as Peter=92s. &nbsp;No stretch, but =
no shrinkage either. &nbsp;I only put my top down when I go cruising in =
the summer.<div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Bob<br class=3D""><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Feb 16, 2016, at 2:40 PM, =
Dave Murphy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
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0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">Peter, Its interesting that you don't have the same width =
shrinkage problem that I have with my tops which spend about 2 days =
raised each year and&nbsp;remain folded all winter. The length on my =
tops has stretched, so they are&nbsp;easier to attach at the header rail =
than when new. I think stretching the length causes the width to =
shrink&nbsp;(Poisson's Ratio) as in an elastic band. Do you mostly keep =
your top raised?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">&lt;I have had two sunfast =
tops on my TR6, one for about 10 years, the current one for about five.I =
have never had a real &lt;shrinkage problem either side to side or front =
to back.&nbsp; Over the years it will get slightly harder to stretch up, =
but not &lt;enough to really speak of.&nbsp; These are Robbins' sunfast =
tops.&nbsp; would not go back to vinyl.<br class=3D"">&lt;Peter =
Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">&lt;&lt;The main complaint I have with both the original top =
and the Sunfast is that the tops attach to the velcro on the folding =
&lt;&lt;side rails for only about 2&nbsp;years before the width of the =
top "shrinks" and becomes too narrow to even reach those side =
&lt;&lt;rails.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
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From: "Peter Arakelian" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 05:10:57 -0800

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I live in southern CA, my top, as friends will attest, is almost always =
down.  Only up if it really rains - not just a heavy mist or light =
sprinkle.  I have tried on occasion to put it up on a regular basis at =
home, it should be, but have never really done that.

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Peter, Its interesting that you don't have the same width shrinkage =
problem that I have with my tops which spend about 2 days raised each =
year and remain folded all winter. The length on my tops has stretched, =
so they are easier to attach at the header rail than when new. I think =
stretching the length causes the width to shrink (Poisson's Ratio) as in =
an elastic band. Do you mostly keep your top raised?

<<The main complaint I have with both the original top and the Sunfast =
is that the tops attach to the velcro on the folding <<side rails for =
only about 2 years before the width of the top "shrinks" and becomes too =
narrow to even reach those side <<rails.=20
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<DIV>I live in southern CA, my top, as friends will attest, is almost =
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down.&nbsp; Only up if it really rains - not just a heavy mist or light=20
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  stretched, so they are&nbsp;easier to attach at the header rail than =
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  I think stretching the length causes the width to =
shrink&nbsp;(Poisson's=20
  Ratio) as in an elastic band. Do you mostly keep your top =
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  have had two sunfast tops on my TR6, one for about 10 years, the =
current one=20
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side to=20
  side or front to back.&nbsp; Over the years it will get slightly =
harder to=20
  stretch up, but not &lt;enough to really speak of.&nbsp; These are =
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  sunfast tops.&nbsp; would not go back to vinyl.<BR>&lt;Peter Arakelian =
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From: Dave Murphy <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:26:26 -0500

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Peter=2C
Thanks for you response.=20
Why do you say "it should be"(put up regularly)? I.e. did someone tell you =
that it's better for the tops if they spend most of their time in the raise=
d position? I wonder if keeping my roof raised more often would have preven=
ted my tops from becoming too narrow to reach the Velcro strips on the side=
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I'm also wondering what I can do now to my "shrunk" Sunfast top so it will =
again reach the Velcro on the side rails.
-Dave Murphy
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Subject: Re: Re=3B [TR] TR6 convertible top questions
Date: Wed=2C 17 Feb 2016 05:10:57 -0800

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From: Dave Murphy <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:47:28 -0500

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Bob=2C
Thanks. I'm thinking maybe I'll put my car outside on a hot sunny day in Ju=
ne with the 4 year old "shrunk" black Sunfast roof in "up" position with we=
ights hanging from the sides of the material to try to stretch it wider. Th=
en maybe I can re attach the Velcro to the side rails. If this doesn't work=
=2C I may repeat this=2C leaving the header bar free of the windshield.
-Dave Murphy=2C '76 TR6=2C Dearborn MI=20
=20
From: [email-masked]:
My experience is the same as Peter=92s.  No stretch=2C but no shrinkage eit=
her.  I only put my top down when I go cruising in the summer.
	Bob

<I have had two sunfast tops on my TR6=2C one for about 10 years=2C the cur=
rent one for about five.I have never had a real <shrinkage problem either s=
ide to side or front to back.  Over the years it will get slightly harder t=
o stretch up=2C but not <enough to really speak of.  These are Robbins' sun=
fast tops.  would not go back to vinyl.
<Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6=2C Daily Driver   <<The main complaint I have wi=
th both the original top and the Sunfast is that the tops attach to the vel=
cro on the folding <<side rails for only about 2 years before the width of =
the top "shrinks" and becomes too narrow to even reach those side <<rails.=
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>Bob=2C<BR>Thanks. I'm thinking m=
aybe I'll put my car outside on a hot sunny day in June with the 4 year old=
 "shrunk" black Sunfast roof in "up" position with weights hanging from the=
 sides of the&nbsp=3Bmaterial to try to&nbsp=3Bstretch it wider. Then maybe=
 I can re attach the Velcro to the side rails. If this doesn't work=2C I&nb=
sp=3Bmay repeat this=2C leaving the header bar free of the windshield.<BR>-=
Dave Murphy=2C '76 TR6=2C Dearborn MI&nbsp=3B<br>&nbsp=3B<br>From: <a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>:<br>My experience=
 is the same as Peter=92s. &nbsp=3BNo stretch=2C but no shrinkage either. &=
nbsp=3BI only put my top down when I go cruising in the summer.<BR><div><di=
v><span class=3D"ecxApple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space: pre=3B">	</span>B=
ob<br><br>&lt=3BI have had two sunfast tops on my TR6=2C one for about 10 y=
ears=2C the current one for about five.I have never had a real &lt=3Bshrink=
age problem either side to side or front to back.&nbsp=3B Over the years it=
 will get slightly harder to stretch up=2C but not &lt=3Benough to really s=
peak of.&nbsp=3B These are Robbins' sunfast tops.&nbsp=3B would not go back=
 to vinyl.<br>&lt=3BPeter Arakelian - '71 TR6=2C Daily Driver&nbsp=3B&nbsp=
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dir=3D"ltr">&lt=3B&lt=3BThe main complaint I have with both the original to=
p and the Sunfast is that the tops attach to the velcro on the folding &lt=
=3B&lt=3Bside rails for only about 2&nbsp=3Byears before the width of the t=
op "shrinks" and becomes too narrow to even reach those side &lt=3B&lt=3Bra=
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From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:26:04 +0000 (UTC)

Question:  were there different gear ratios on the ring gear?  Reason I ask, while I had the OD tranny out, I replaced the flywheel with a freshly machined one.  It had a somewhat better condition ring gear already bolted on.  I don't know the year of production of the replacement flywheel.  Bolted the same starter back in, but when I try to start the engine, the starter clicks and whirrs, but doesn't engage. Jumped it with a good battery, seems to be a strong electrical current going in.  Engine turns freely by hand even with the spark plugs still in.

Thoughts?

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667
New Hampshire where in a two day period it went from minus 20 degrees to in the 50's.  Gotta love New England!

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From: "Andrew Uprichard" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:50:09 -0500

Starters are specific to a bolt-on or a press-on flywheel.  Be careful,
since, if you have it wrong, you will burn out your starter.  Been there,
done that.  Rebuilt a smallmouth with a bolt-on flywheel, but fitted a
starter for the early car.  Expensive mistake.

Andrew Uprichard
Lots of war stories.

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[email-masked]
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:26 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] TR3A flywheel bolt on ring gear

Question:  were there different gear ratios on the ring gear?  Reason I ask,
while I had the OD tranny out, I replaced the flywheel with a freshly
machined one.  It had a somewhat better condition ring gear already bolted
on.  I don't know the year of production of the replacement flywheel.
Bolted the same starter back in, but when I try to start the engine, the
starter clicks and whirrs, but doesn't engage. Jumped it with a good
battery, seems to be a strong electrical current going in.  Engine turns
freely by hand even with the spark plugs still in.

Thoughts?

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667
New Hampshire where in a two day period it went from minus 20 degrees to in
the 50's.  Gotta love New England!

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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 20:48:45 -0500

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 5:26 PM,  <[email-masked]> wrote:
> when I try to start the engine, the starter clicks and whirrs, but doesn't engage.

I'm no expert, but I would think that if the ring gear was close, you
would eventually hit a spot where it would engage and jam on
mismatched teeth.  If the starter spins readily, but never engages the
ring gear, then maybe it's not popping the Bendix out?  Did you try
bumping the flywheel around to see if it engages somewhere?

Are the ring gears the same diameter?  Seems like they would have to be...

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

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From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 20:54:18 -0500

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Terry;

Sounds like you're using the short nose starter on a long nose
application....
The starter gear isn't even reaching the ring gear, so, no way can it
start...

Dave Friedlander

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:48 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
wrote:

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sing the short nose starter on a long nose application.... <br>The starter =
gear isn&#39;t even reaching the ring gear, so, no way can it start...<br><=
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ns-serif;color:rgb(0,0,153)">Dave Friedlander<br><br><br></div></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at=
 8:48 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fishplate=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=
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6 PM,=C2=A0 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; when I try to start the engine, the starter clicks and whirrs, but doe=
sn&#39;t engage.<br>
<br>
</span>I&#39;m no expert, but I would think that if the ring gear was close=
, you<br>
would eventually hit a spot where it would engage and jam on<br>
mismatched teeth.=C2=A0 If the starter spins readily, but never engages the=
<br>
ring gear, then maybe it&#39;s not popping the Bendix out?=C2=A0 Did you tr=
y<br>
bumping the flywheel around to see if it engages somewhere?<br>
<br>
Are the ring gears the same diameter?=C2=A0 Seems like they would have to b=
e...<br>
<br>
Jeff Scarbrough<br>
Corrosion Acres, Ga.<br>
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From: Peter Arakelian <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 19:08:58 -0800

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It is generally recommended any material top should be raised for a day or =
two once a month.  This keeps it from "setting" into a position.  It also k=
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d.  This is more important with vinyl than cloth.  It also depends on the i=
nstaller of the top - how much experience with cloth=2C with the cars?  As =
far as what to do now=2C wait for a warm day=2C park the car in the sun=2C =
put the top up as much as you can.  As it gets hotter stretch it a little m=
ore.  Then go back regularly and stretch again.  Little by little it should=
 pull.  Then leave it up stretched for as long as you can.What I do when th=
e top is down=2C is put pieces of leather in strategic places subject to ru=
b to protect the top.

Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6=2C Daily Driver

From: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]=3B [email-masked]
Subject: RE: Re=3B [TR] TR6 convertible top questions
Date: Wed=2C 17 Feb 2016 15:26:26 -0500

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 stretch it a little more.&nbsp=3B Then go back regularly and stretch again=
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ut pieces of leather in strategic places subject to rub to protect the top.=
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better for the tops if they spend most of their time in the raised position=
?&nbsp=3BI wonder if keeping my roof raised more often would have prevented=
 my tops from becoming too narrow to reach the Velcro strips on the side ra=
ils. <br>I'm also wondering what I can do now to my "shrunk" Sunfast top so=
 it will again reach the Velcro on the side rails.<br>-Dave Murphy<br>&nbsp=
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From: Bud R <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 00:44:52 -0700

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My top is usually down for most of the year but I do always put it up to =
go to VTR (it=92s usually too hot for top down travel thousands of =
miles). Here=92s a couple of pics of what I do to get it ready. Pile =
books and manuals on it to stretch it out.

And when the top is folded down I use a small rolled up fleece blanket =
to keep things cushioned and if the top is up then the wife has a =
blanket if she=92s cold.

Bud Rolofson

Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle=20
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)

On Feb 17, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Peter Arakelian <[email-masked]> wrote:

> It is generally recommended any material top should be raised for a =
day or two once a month.  This keeps it from "setting" into a position.  =
It also keeps it from wearing at the same points constantly, and keeps =
it stretched.  This is more important with vinyl than cloth.  It also =
depends on the installer of the top - how much experience with cloth, =
with the cars?  As far as what to do now, wait for a warm day, park the =
car in the sun, put the top up as much as you can.  As it gets hotter =
stretch it a little more.  Then go back regularly and stretch again.  =
Little by little it should pull.  Then leave it up stretched for as long =
as you can.
> What I do when the top is down, is put pieces of leather in strategic =
places subject to rub to protect the top.
>=20
> Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver
>=20
> To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> Subject: RE: Re; [TR] TR6 convertible top questions
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:26:26 -0500
>=20
> Peter,
> Why do you say "it should be"(put up regularly)? I.e. did someone tell =
you that it's better for the tops if they spend most of their time in =
the raised position? I wonder if keeping my roof raised more often would =
have prevented my tops from becoming too narrow to reach the Velcro =
strips on the side rails.=20
> I'm also wondering what I can do now to my "shrunk" Sunfast top so it =
will again reach the Velcro on the side rails.
> -Dave Murphy
> =20
> From: [email-masked]
> To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: Re; [TR] TR6 convertible top questions
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 05:10:57 -0800
>=20
> I live in southern CA, my top, as friends will attest, is almost =
always down.  Only up if it really rains - not just a heavy mist or =
light sprinkle.  I have tried on occasion to put it up on a regular =
basis at home, it should be, but have never really done that.
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
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VTR (it=92s usually too hot for top down travel thousands of miles). =
Here=92s a couple of pics of what I do to get it ready. Pile books and =
manuals on it to stretch it out.<div><br></div><div>And when the top is =
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normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br></div><div style=3D"border-collapse: =
separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;">Extreme Parts Racing&nbsp;(more than just a haircut)</div><div =
style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br></div><div>71TR6 CC57365 (Good =
6)</div><div style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">71 Spitfire MK IV =
Race Car #3</div><div style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">69 Spitfire MK III =
(back up FE engine/dinghy car)</div><div style=3D"border-collapse: =
separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;">93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle&nbsp;</div><div =
style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda =
Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)</div></div><div =
style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br></div><div =
style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;"><br></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span=
></div></span></div></span></div></span></div><br><div><div>On Feb 17, =
2016, at 8:08 PM, Peter Arakelian &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"hmmessage" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Calibri; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
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orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>It is generally =
recommended any material top should be raised for a day or two once a =
month.&nbsp; This keeps it from "setting" into a position.&nbsp; It also =
keeps it from wearing at the same points constantly, and keeps it =
stretched.&nbsp; This is&nbsp;more important with vinyl than =
cloth.&nbsp; It also depends on the installer of the top - how much =
experience with cloth, with the cars?&nbsp; As far as what to do now, =
wait for a warm day, park the car in the sun, put the top up as much as =
you can.&nbsp; As it gets hotter stretch it a little more.&nbsp; Then go =
back regularly and stretch again.&nbsp; Little by little it should =
pull.&nbsp; Then leave it up stretched for as long as you =
can.</div><div>What I do when the top is down, is put pieces of leather =
in strategic places subject to rub to protect the top.<br><br>Peter =
Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver<br><br></div><div><hr =
id=3D"stopSpelling">From:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
><br>To:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>Sub=
ject: RE: Re; [TR] TR6 convertible top questions<br>Date: Wed, 17 Feb =
2016 15:26:26 -0500<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Peter,<br>Thanks for you =
response.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>Why do =
you say "it should&nbsp;be"(put up regularly)? I.e. did someone tell you =
that it's better for the tops if they spend most of their time in the =
raised position?&nbsp;I wonder if keeping my roof raised more often =
would have prevented my tops from becoming too narrow to reach the =
Velcro strips on the side rails.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>I'm also wondering what =
I can do now to my "shrunk" Sunfast top so it will again reach the =
Velcro on the side rails.<br>-Dave Murphy<br>&nbsp;<br><div><hr =
id=3D"ecxstopSpelling">From:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>To:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
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><br>Subject: Re: Re; [TR] TR6 convertible top questions<br>Date: Wed, =
17 Feb 2016 05:10:57 -0800<br><br><div><div>I live in southern CA, my =
top, as friends will attest, is almost always down.&nbsp; Only up if it =
really rains - not just a heavy mist or light sprinkle.&nbsp; I have =
tried on occasion to put it up on a regular basis at home, it should be, =
but have never really done that.</div><blockquote dir=3D"ltr" =
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arial;"><br>&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">&lt;&lt;The =
main complaint I have with both the original top and the Sunfast is that =
the tops attach to the velcro on the folding &lt;&lt;side rails for only =
about 2&nbsp;years before the width of the top "shrinks" and becomes too =
narrow to even reach those side &lt;&lt;rails.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>&lt;&lt;-Dave Murphy, =
Dearborn =
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