Subject: [TR] transmission installation

From: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 23:05:30 +0000 (UTC)

Haven't wrestled so much since dating in high school.

Installing a tranny back into the TR3A.  Alone.  Took some time to get it between the floor pans.  Went below on a creeper to make sure the shaft was going into the clutch teeth.  And that's where I got tired.  

Any best practice hints about how to line it up?  The first being, of course, to put the tranny in gear so twisting the drive line plate will turn the shaft to align with the teeth on the clutch.  I've done this before, but it's epic each time.

????

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
New Hampshire

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Terry -

I made some guides by cutting the heads off of long bolt and slotting the
end for a screwdriver.  My hope was to thread them in then fit the bell
housing over them but the gearbox had to be too far forward for that so
instead I fitted them thru the holes in the bell housing & into the block
to help things line up for the final push.

I use a transmission jack from harbor Freight under the gearbox to help
maneuver it but that is possibly overkill.

I also had a pipe (old jack handle actually) under the tailshaft to add
some more support that would still let it roll fore and aft.

As I recall, I raised the rear of the engine as far as the throttle shaft
would allow to make things go together.

This (like yours) was an overdrive box.  If I never have to do it again
that will be fine by me.

Geo

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 4:05 PM, <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Installing a tranny back into the TR3A.  Alone.  Took some time to get it
> between the floor pans.  Went below on a creeper to make sure the shaft was
> going into the clutch teeth.  And that's where I got tired.
>
> Any best practice hints about how to line it up?  The first being, of
> course, to put the tranny in gear so twisting the drive line plate will
> turn the shaft to align with the teeth on the clutch.  I've done this
> before, but it's epic each time.
>
> ????
>
> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
> New Hampshire
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Terry -</div><div><br></div><div>I made some guides b=
y cutting the heads off of long bolt and slotting the end for a screwdriver=
.=C2=A0 My hope was to thread them in then fit the bell housing over them b=
ut the gearbox had to be too far forward for that so instead I fitted them =
thru the holes in the bell housing &amp; into the block to help things line=
 up for the final push.</div><div><br></div><div>I use a transmission jack =
from harbor Freight under the gearbox to help maneuver it but that is possi=
bly overkill.</div><div><br></div><div>I also had a pipe (old jack handle a=
ctually) under the tailshaft to add some more support that would still let =
it roll fore and aft.</div><div><br></div><div>As I recall, I raised the re=
ar of the engine as far as the throttle shaft would allow to make things go=
 together.</div><div><br></div><div>This (like yours) was an overdrive box.=
=C2=A0 If I never have to do it again that will be fine by me.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Geo</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote">On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 4:05 PM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Haven&#39;t wrestled so =
much since dating in high school.<br>
<br>
Installing a tranny back into the TR3A.=C2=A0 Alone.=C2=A0 Took some time t=
o get it between the floor pans.=C2=A0 Went below on a creeper to make sure=
 the shaft was going into the clutch teeth.=C2=A0 And that&#39;s where I go=
t tired.<br>
<br>
Any best practice hints about how to line it up?=C2=A0 The first being, of =
course, to put the tranny in gear so twisting the drive line plate will tur=
n the shaft to align with the teeth on the clutch.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve done this=
 before, but it&#39;s epic each time.<br>
<br>
????<br>
<br>
Terry Smith, &#39;59 TR3A<br>
New Hampshire<br>
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From: "dave n" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 17:37:09 -0600

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we had trouble getting it in that last inch.  I bought some 1/4=E2=80=9D =
bolts long enough to go all the way through the holes.  that pulled it =
in the last inch.  I also found that unbolting the driveshaft from the =
differential then setting it up on the diff gave me some extra =
maneuvering room.  its just 4 bolts.  you can also remove the plugs and =
turn the engine from below by the fan.  btw =E2=80=93 its hell to put =
those things in.  I wouldn=E2=80=99t do it myself. =20

From: Geo Hahn=20
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 5:24 PM
To: [email-masked]=20
Cc: TR3 Triumphs=20
Subject: Re: [TR] transmission installation

Terry -

I made some guides by cutting the heads off of long bolt and slotting =
the end for a screwdriver.  My hope was to thread them in then fit the =
bell housing over them but the gearbox had to be too far forward for =
that so instead I fitted them thru the holes in the bell housing & into =
the block to help things line up for the final push.

I use a transmission jack from harbor Freight under the gearbox to help =
maneuver it but that is possibly overkill.

I also had a pipe (old jack handle actually) under the tailshaft to add =
some more support that would still let it roll fore and aft.

As I recall, I raised the rear of the engine as far as the throttle =
shaft would allow to make things go together.

This (like yours) was an overdrive box.  If I never have to do it again =
that will be fine by me.

Geo
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From: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 18:03:23 -0600

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Terry,

Pretty much my process too as Geo describes, an extra hand will cut the time=
 in half.  Still 10x easier than pulling the motor. =20

Bill B
TS30800L

Sent from my VIC-64

On Feb 1, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Geo Hahn <[email-masked]> wrote:

Terry -

I made some guides by cutting the heads off of long bolt and slotting the en=
d for a screwdriver.  My hope was to thread them in then fit the bell housin=
g over them but the gearbox had to be too far forward for that so instead I f=
itted them thru the holes in the bell housing & into the block to help thing=
s line up for the final push.

I use a transmission jack from harbor Freight under the gearbox to help mane=
uver it but that is possibly overkill.

I also had a pipe (old jack handle actually) under the tailshaft to add some=
 more support that would still let it roll fore and aft.

As I recall, I raised the rear of the engine as far as the throttle shaft wo=
uld allow to make things go together.

This (like yours) was an overdrive box.  If I never have to do it again that=
 will be fine by me.

Geo

>=20
> Installing a tranny back into the TR3A.  Alone.  Took some time to get it b=
etween the floor pans.  Went below on a creeper to make sure the shaft was g=
oing into the clutch teeth.  And that's where I got tired.
>=20
> Any best practice hints about how to line it up?  The first being, of cour=
se, to put the tranny in gear so twisting the drive line plate will turn the=
 shaft to align with the teeth on the clutch.  I've done this before, but it=
's epic each time.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Terry,</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignat=
ure"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Pretty much my process too as G=
eo describes, an extra hand will cut the time in half. &nbsp;Still 10x easie=
r than pulling the motor. &nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></d=
iv><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Bill B</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"=
>TS30800L<br><br>Sent from my VIC-64</div><div><br>On Feb 1, 2016, at 5:24 P=
M, Geo Hahn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Terry -</div><div><b=
r></div><div>I made some guides by cutting the heads off of long bolt and sl=
otting the end for a screwdriver.&nbsp; My hope was to thread them in then f=
it the bell housing over them but the gearbox had to be too far forward for t=
hat so instead I fitted them thru the holes in the bell housing &amp; into t=
he block to help things line up for the final push.</div><div><br></div><div=
>I use a transmission jack from harbor Freight under the gearbox to help man=
euver it but that is possibly overkill.</div><div><br></div><div>I also had a=
 pipe (old jack handle actually) under the tailshaft to add some more suppor=
t that would still let it roll fore and aft.</div><div><br></div><div>As I r=
ecall, I raised the rear of the engine as far as the throttle shaft would al=
low to make things go together.</div><div><br></div><div>This (like yours) w=
as an overdrive box.&nbsp; If I never have to do it again that will be fine b=
y me.</div><div><br></div><div>Geo</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 4:05 PM,  <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">terryrs@comc=
ast.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Haven't wrest=
led so much since dating in high school.<br>
<br>
Installing a tranny back into the TR3A.&nbsp; Alone.&nbsp; Took some time to=
 get it between the floor pans.&nbsp; Went below on a creeper to make sure t=
he shaft was going into the clutch teeth.&nbsp; And that's where I got tired=
.<br>
<br>
Any best practice hints about how to line it up?&nbsp; The first being, of c=
ourse, to put the tranny in gear so twisting the drive line plate will turn t=
he shaft to align with the teeth on the clutch.&nbsp; I've done this before,=
 but it's epic each time.<br>
<br>
????<br>
<br>
Terry Smith, '59 TR3A<br>
New Hampshire<br>
<br>
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From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 19:40:11 -0500

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Be very careful about pulling things together with bolts. When marrying =
the front and back half of 150 HP farm tractors together after a clutch =
job, I have learned the hard way that things should go together with =
people power, rather than threaded assistance. (Yes, we were using =
wheeled dollies =E2=80=93 not holding the rear half of the tractor in =
our arms)  If the pressure plate has been removed, either make or =
purchase a pilot shaft tool to align the clutch disk. I know that we all =
have horror stories about rejoining major components, especially when we =
were young and didn=E2=80=99t know any better. Now we are older and =
still don=E2=80=99t =E2=80=A6

=20

Alex Thomson

=20

=20

=20

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
dave n
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 6:37 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] transmission installation

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a clutch job, I have learned the hard way that things should go together =
with people power, rather than threaded assistance. (Yes, we were using =
wheeled dollies =E2=80=93 not holding the rear half of the tractor in =
our arms) =C2=A0If the pressure plate has been removed, either make or =
purchase a pilot shaft tool to align the clutch disk. I know that we all =
have horror stories about rejoining major components, especially when we =
were young and didn=E2=80=99t know any better. Now we are older and =
still don=E2=80=99t =E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>dave n<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 01, 2016 6:37 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] =
transmission installation<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>we had trouble =
getting it in that last inch.&nbsp; I bought some 1/4=E2=80=9D bolts =
long enough to go all the way through the holes.&nbsp; that pulled it in =
the last inch.&nbsp; I also found that unbolting the driveshaft from the =
differential then setting it up on the diff gave me some extra =
maneuvering room.&nbsp; its just 4 bolts.&nbsp; you can also remove the =
plugs and turn the engine from below by the fan.&nbsp; btw =E2=80=93 its =
hell to put those things in.&nbsp; I wouldn=E2=80=99t do it =
myself.&nbsp; =
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From: Tom B <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 19:52:49 -0500

Terry where are you located in NH. If you need a second set of hands I can drive up and lend a hand depending on when you are installing.  The transmission goes in really quickly with 4 hands 
Tom  

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From: "Greg Lemon" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 19:25:08 -0600

When doin

When doing it by myself, once I get it wrestled in and started with the 
input shaft started into the clutch, I make sure it is supported in some way 
from underneath, then I straddle the tunnel just behind the tranny, grasp 
the tail of the tranny by hand and push on the lip of the bell housing with 
my feet.  you can turn the tranny, as well as gently align things with you 
hands, and apply pressure with your feet so it goes in when it is all lined 
up.

Greg lemon

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From: Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 21:21:44 -0500

Ditto from me.  Works perfectly and when it sits in, it feels soooo good.  Good to get the job done that is!  
Jim Henningsen

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From: Chris Simo <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 22:08:49 -0500

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A very funny, but familiar image. Too many times, on my back, under the
car, using hands, feet, head, wiggling and jiggling to get it in place and
once it's there... did i put the safety wire on the fork pin?

I do love these cars. Transmission  swap...not so much. Cement gymnastics
keep you young (ish).

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From: Hoyt Duff <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 22:18:42 -0500

Years ago, when trying to put one of these transmissions back in was
the only time in my life  I ever heard my father and his best friend
curse.

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