Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 stone guards

From: Bill Hall <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 21:30:03 -0500

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Personally, a day of work is well worth it considering the original is over
50 yeArs old...... Just saying!

On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Joe Curry <[email-masked]> wrote:

> After reading your post, I find myself wondering why you could not
> fabricate some out of sheet aluminum.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[email-masked]');>] *On
> Behalf Of *Andrew Uprichard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2016 4:25 PM
> *To:* [email-masked]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[email-masked]');>
> *Subject:* [TR] TR3 stone guards
>
>
>
> I don=E2=80=99t know about others, but my experience with the aftermarket=
 TR3
> stone guards (especially the large ones which fit over the rear fenders)
> has been very disappointing.  Badly made and frustratingly hard to fit.  =
So
> when I started the latest restoration on a CA car with minimal rust (lots
> of other problems, but rust wasn=E2=80=99t one of them !) I decided I wou=
ld try to
> salvage the stone guards.  They were heavily pitted and dented and I
> thought I was wasting my time, but I started off hammering out the dents
> and then I used a grinder to level all the pits and scratches.  I followe=
d
> with 80 grit, then 150, 320 and 600.  Then aluminum polish and finally a
> good waxing.  I have to say, the end result was really good =E2=80=93 and=
 they fit !
>
>
>
> Having said that, I guess I spent most of a day on the 2 large guards, so
> this approach would make little sense for a restoration shop or someone
> charging by the hour.  But for someone like me with time on my side, I
> saved $100 not buying new and I now have guards which will fit.
>
>
>
> I learned a lot from an older guy in a restoration shop who routinely
> threw out the old and replaced with new.  Maybe there was a day when =E2=
=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D
> really was better, but the more of these cars I do (and I am now on numbe=
r
> 13) the more I try to keep whatever I can and only replace where absolute=
ly
> necessary.
>
>
>
> Just my 2 cents=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>

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Personally, a day of work is well worth it considering the original is over=
 50 yeArs old...... Just saying!<br><br>On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Joe =
Curry &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">After reading your=
 post, I find myself
wondering why you could not fabricate some out of sheet aluminum.<u></u><u>=
</u></span></font></p>

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 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Joe<u></u><u></u><=
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u></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b=
><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:Tahoma"> Triumphs
[mailto:<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;triumphs-bounce=
[email-masked]&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]<=
/a>] <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Andrew Uprichard<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, January 06,=
 2016
4:25 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href=3D"javascript:_e=
(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;[email-masked]&#39;);" target=3D"_blan=
k">[email-masked]</a><br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [TR] TR3 stone guar=
ds</span></font><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;"><u></u><u></u></spa=
n></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt">I
don=E2=80=99t know about others, but my experience with the aftermarket TR3=
 stone
guards (especially the large ones which fit over the rear fenders) has been
very disappointing.=C2=A0 Badly made and frustratingly hard to fit.=C2=A0 S=
o
when I started the latest restoration on a CA car with minimal rust (lots o=
f
other problems, but rust wasn=E2=80=99t one of them !) I decided I would tr=
y to
salvage the stone guards.=C2=A0 They were heavily pitted and dented and I
thought I was wasting my time, but I started off hammering out the dents an=
d
then I used a grinder to level all the pits and scratches.=C2=A0 I followed
with 80 grit, then 150, 320 and 600.=C2=A0 Then aluminum polish and finally=
 a
good waxing.=C2=A0 I have to say, the end result was really good =E2=80=93 =
and
they fit !<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt">Having
said that, I guess I spent most of a day on the 2 large guards, so this
approach would make little sense for a restoration shop or someone charging=
 by
the hour.=C2=A0 But for someone like me with time on my side, I saved $100 =
not
buying new and I now have guards which will fit.<u></u><u></u></span></font=
></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt">I
learned a lot from an older guy in a restoration shop who routinely threw o=
ut
the old and replaced with new.=C2=A0 Maybe there was a day when
=E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D really was better, but the more of these cars I do (a=
nd I am
now on number 13) the more I try to keep whatever I can and only replace wh=
ere
absolutely necessary.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt">Just
my 2 cents=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt">Andrew
Uprichard<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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I recently bought a set of stone guards from one of the Big Three and was
not impressed by the quality of what I received. To add to it, the prices
for these are pretty steep. The pieces I took off my '59 TR3 were deeply
pitted but were a heavier gauge aluminum than these new ones.... I suspect
they dent/deform far more easily than the stock pieces. Seems like these
are  good candidates for some fab shop to make in heavier gauge aluminum or
even stainless steel. At least then, I wouldn't mind spending the $$.

Dave

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Randall <[email-masked]> wrote:

>
> > After reading your post, I find myself wondering why you
> > could not fabricate some out of sheet aluminum.
>
> They have fairly deep compound curves, which might be tricky for someone
> with no experience beating aluminum (or using an English
> wheel).
>
> The new ones I got from TRF had the curves right, they just had a lot of
> extra metal around the edges that had to be trimmed away.
>
> Randall
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,153)">I recently bought a set of stone guard=
s from one of the Big Three and was not impressed by the quality of what I =
received. To add to it, the prices for these are pretty steep. The pieces I=
 took off my &#39;59 TR3 were deeply pitted but were a heavier gauge alumin=
um than these new ones.... I suspect they dent/deform far more easily than =
the stock pieces. Seems like these are=C2=A0 good candidates for some fab s=
hop to make in heavier gauge aluminum or even stainless steel. At least the=
n, I wouldn&#39;t mind spending the $$.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,153)">Da=
ve<br><br><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Randall <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D""><br>
&gt; After reading your post, I find myself wondering why you<br>
&gt; could not fabricate some out of sheet aluminum.<br>
<br>
</span>They have fairly deep compound curves, which might be tricky for som=
eone with no experience beating aluminum (or using an English<br>
wheel).<br>
<br>
The new ones I got from TRF had the curves right, they just had a lot of ex=
tra metal around the edges that had to be trimmed away.<br>
<br>
Randall<br>
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The ones I got from Moss were the same gauge, but required a significant =
amount of trimming and fitting =E2=80=93 no BS, I had about 10 hours to =
do both sides by the time I was done fitting them. =20

=20

I just assumed that my fenders were =E2=80=9Cout of shape=E2=80=9D from =
nearly 60 years of abuse and as near as I can tell 8 or 9 paint jobs, =
bodged rust repairs, etc. =
etc.=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6.

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PBR Consulting Services, LLC

702.882.6711

=20

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
David Friedlander
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 6:54 PM
To: Randall <[email-masked]>
Cc: TR3 Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 stone guards

=20

I recently bought a set of stone guards from one of the Big Three and =
was not impressed by the quality of what I received. To add to it, the =
prices for these are pretty steep. The pieces I took off my '59 TR3 were =
deeply pitted but were a heavier gauge aluminum than these new ones.... =
I suspect they dent/deform far more easily than the stock pieces. Seems =
like these are  good candidates for some fab shop to make in heavier =
gauge aluminum or even stainless steel. At least then, I wouldn't mind =
spending the $$.

Dave

=20

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Randall <[email-masked] =

> could not fabricate some out of sheet aluminum.

They have fairly deep compound curves, which might be tricky for someone =
with no experience beating aluminum (or using an English
wheel).

The new ones I got from TRF had the curves right, they just had a lot of =
extra metal around the edges that had to be trimmed away.

Randall

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>I just assumed that my fenders were =E2=80=9Cout of shape=E2=80=9D from =
nearly 60 years of abuse and as near as I can tell 8 or 9 paint jobs, =
bodged rust repairs, etc. =
etc.=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6.<o:p></o:p></s=
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Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>David Friedlander<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 6, 2016 6:54 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Randall &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> TR3 =
Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR3 =
stone guards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#000099'>I recently bought a set of stone guards from one of =
the Big Three and was not impressed by the quality of what I received. =
To add to it, the prices for these are pretty steep. The pieces I took =
off my '59 TR3 were deeply pitted but were a heavier gauge aluminum than =
these new ones.... I suspect they dent/deform far more easily than the =
stock pieces. Seems like these are&nbsp; good candidates for some fab =
shop to make in heavier gauge aluminum or even stainless steel. At least =
then, I wouldn't mind spending the =
$$.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#000099'>Dave<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Wed, =
Jan 6, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Randall &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
#CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><br>&gt; =
After reading your post, I find myself wondering why you<br>&gt; could =
not fabricate some out of sheet aluminum.<br><br>They have fairly deep =
compound curves, which might be tricky for someone with no experience =
beating aluminum (or using an English<br>wheel).<br><br>The new ones I =
got from TRF had the curves right, they just had a lot of extra metal =
around the edges that had to be trimmed =
away.<br><br>Randall<br><br><br>** <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> =
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