Subject: [TR] Putting back together after 35 yrs

From: "Harold Sawatsky" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:36:08 -0600

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We are just in the process of putting together my 56 TR3 (TS11793) after it
sat for 35+ yrs in the garage in parts. It has been a total frame resto-
off. Since I took it apart myself I'm afraid there are many things I have
forgotten as I try and remember where all the parts go as my son (who I have
given the car to when I'm no longer ableJ) try and figure out where
everything goes. I labeled most things and took many pics but there are
still some things that I may need help with. I did order many $'s worth of
parts a long time ago from TRF and Moss so at least I/we are working with
hundreds of new parts.

Body parts on the whole are pretty easy to put back together but now we are
in the process of putting the parts back on the engine but a question came
up. 

I look at the distributor and notice that the vacuum was intentionally
plugged. As I recall now there was never a vacuum advance tube ever coming
off the distributor when I bought the car in '75. What is the potential
significance of this and is it necessary to have that done correctly. The
car ran fine back then and the only reason I started the frame off was the
timing chain tensioner broke.

The other pretty simple question that I hesitate to ask however, there is a
ground cable attached to the engine on the exhaust side. Where on the body
is this attached. Sorry for the dumb question however want to get this
right.

Last thing, does anyone have any detailed pictures of the engine compartment
they could send me. I know this may be a PIA but if you can, that would be
invaluable.

[email-masked]

Thanks so much

Harold Sawatsky

 <http://www.myporchlight.ca/> 

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nk=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:12.0pt'>We are just in the process of putting together my 56 TR3 (=
TS11793) after it sat for 35+ yrs in the garage in parts. It has been a tot=
al frame resto- off. Since I took it apart myself I&#8217;m afraid there ar=
e many things I have forgotten as I try and remember where all the parts go=
 as my son (who I have given the car to when I&#8217;m no longer able</span=
><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'>J</span><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>) try and figure out where everything goes. I labeled=
 most things and took many pics but there are still some things that I may =
need help with. I did order many $&#8217;s worth of parts a long time ago f=
rom TRF and Moss so at least I/we are working with hundreds of new parts.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12=
=2E0pt'>Body parts on the whole are pretty easy to put back together but no=
w we are in the process of putting the parts back on the engine but a quest=
ion came up. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font=
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=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I look at the distributor and notice that the vacuum =
was intentionally plugged. As I recall now there was never a vacuum advance=
 tube ever coming off the distributor when I bought the car in &#8217;75. W=
hat is the potential significance of this and is it necessary to have that =
done correctly. The car ran fine back then and the only reason I started th=
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lass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>The other pretty s=
imple question that I hesitate to ask however, there is a ground cable atta=
ched to the engine on the exhaust side. Where on the body is this attached.=
 Sorry for the dumb question however want to get this right.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Last th=
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could send me. I know this may be a PIA but if you can, that would be inval=
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 13:54:01 -0800

> I look at the distributor and notice that the vacuum was 
> intentionally plugged. As I recall now there was never a 
> vacuum advance tube ever coming off the distributor when I 
> bought the car in '75. What is the potential significance of 
> this and is it necessary to have that done correctly. The car 
> ran fine back then and the only reason I started the frame 
> off was the timing chain tensioner broke.

The vacuum advance is basically to improve fuel economy during cruise conditions.  It also produces a slight improvement in throttle
response IMO, but probably not enough to notice unless you've recently driven with the advance working.  But it has no effect on
starting, idling, or maximum power.  So you can leave it capped if you like.  If you have the stock SU carbs, also make sure the
port underneath the front carb is plugged as otherwise it will suck air (and dirt) and upset the mixture.

> The other pretty simple question that I hesitate to ask 
> however, there is a ground cable attached to the engine on 
> the exhaust side. Where on the body is this attached. Sorry 
> for the dumb question however want to get this right.

The stock ground cable is on the distributor side, and runs from one of the timing cover bolts to one of the motor mount bolts into
the frame.  Here's a nice photo of it (on a later TR3A with the split steering column) from Don Elliott.
http://s258.photobucket.com/user/TR3driver/media/Misc%20parts/DonElliott-TR3enginegroundstrap.jpg.html

> Last thing, does anyone have any detailed pictures of the 
> engine compartment they could send me. I know this may be a 
> PIA but if you can, that would be invaluable.

My TR3 is slightly later, with front disc brakes, but there might be a few helpful photos in here:
http://s258.photobucket.com/user/TR3driver/library/TS13571L

Randall

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From: Frank Fisher <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 00:36:54 +0000 (UTC)

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been there=C2=A0done that
far too many years

ill wait for global warming to move things along and then i may visit
Frank
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      From: Harold Sawatsky <[email-masked]>
 To: 'Greg Gelhar' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]=20
 Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 4:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [TR] Putting back together after 35 yrs
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Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 5:09 PM
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as a group of five retired Triumph owners who have restored several TR3=E2=
=80=99s. I have posted this before, but if you want to see our work progres=
s check outhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/triumph_tr3s_for_sale/Lots of engin=
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><div class=3D"yiv2450445539MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div><div class=3D"yiv245044=
5539MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;">Our local club has a group=
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have posted this before, but if you want to see our work progress check out=
</span></div><div class=3D"yiv2450445539MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
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n style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;">Lots of engine bay photos and everything else=
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div><div class=3D"yiv2450445539MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"=
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0445539MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></div><div c=
lass=3D"yiv2450445539MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">Last thin=
g, does anyone have any detailed pictures of the engine compartment they co=
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