Subject: [TR] Need some advice regards desirability & pricing

From: Wayne Brazinski <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 12:43:32 -0600

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Folks=2CI have been on the Triumphs list for years and years=2C and while I=
 don't post much=2C I still consider many of you my buddies in that strange=
 internet/forum way.  I still miss Fred=2C for example=2C even though I nev=
er actually knew him well - although he was the prior maintainer of my TR a=
nd I did have the pleasure of meeting him once when I went to Maryland to b=
uy it.
The reason I have started my email this way is because I need some advice f=
rom you that I'm hoping will be given in the same vein as I mention above.
I'm at a rather extreme part of my life with my Dad having recently survive=
d a massive stroke (he is recovering very well)=2C an airplane project half=
way complete - I need to update the blog - but you can see it hear plus som=
e pics of Dad and I  (http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/member-proje=
ct-logs/20648-ch-750-cruzer-build-log.html)=2C twins in the third year of C=
ollege=2C and an income stream that is highly dependant on me selling softw=
are successfully which I have been able to do in the past but am now at a n=
ew employer with a much slower sales cycle.  I'm also President of a local =
EAA Chapter=2C and fly recreationally.
In short I have way too little time=2C and am spending far too much of it n=
ot generating income=2C and now am chronically lagging behind on not just o=
ne=2C but two projects (the plane and finishing the TR).  Dad and I are bui=
lding the plane as a Father/Son project and=2C for obvious reasons=2C I nee=
d to get it done fast and to to that I need more time=2C and money.
I think it might be time for find a home for the TR=2C and I'm hoping you f=
olks could give me your honest opinion on the best way to do that=2C and wh=
at a fair price might be.  I'd REALLY like it to go to a good home since it=
's a special car that has received a lot of TLC over the years.  You can se=
e a video of the car here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DMYk4eFVzY9II h=
ave since added the glove box and tidied up a few things.
Here's a brief run-down of the car=2C I'm sure I'm missing some stuff.
1958 V8 TR3 - all of the below are installed and functioning very wellFord =
302 V8 installed. Apparently rebuilt about 20=2C000 miles ago. Runs awesome=
=2C oil pressure is good .Brand new alternator=2C water pump=2C electric fu=
el pumpBrand new Holly Carb=2C Edelbrock intake manifold=2C block hugger he=
aders. AirfilterHigh efficiency electric radiator fan (I think it is 3=2C00=
0 CFM with thermostat control)Hot Rod aluminum radiator - has not overheate=
d through two Summers"Off the shelf"=2C designed for the TR3 Mini=2C Cooper=
 rack and pinion replaces the old steering box."Off the shelf"=2C designed =
for the TR3 sway bar (front)Borgeson stainless steering shaft=2C Borgeson U=
 Joints for steering.I Didit Hotrod steering column=2C with flashers=2C eme=
rgency lights=2C and high beam built in.Dan Masters supplied TR 3 wiring ha=
rness - brand newBorg Warner T5 transmissionCustom drive shaft to original =
TR 3 Rear endAluminum Minilight style wheels with good Bridgestone tiresMot=
o-Lita Steering wheelAuto Meter Carbon Fiber gaugesSpeedometer is driven by=
 a GPS sensor from AutometerCustom Walnut burl dashboardBrakes/Clutch are T=
ilton Racing floor mounted and dual circuit for brakes.Zinc Dipped frame - =
ZERO rust.Body is basically RUST freeAll brake lines and brake cylinders ar=
e new (rear) or just professionally rebuilt (front)Windshield wiper motor m=
oved inside the car and works just like it always did (it flips water aroun=
d with it's tiny blades!)

Needs:Installation of brand new Moss Motors interior kit (Honey Tan) - this=
 is purchased and will come with the car.I have a new Black carpet set whic=
h needs to be adapted to the larger transmission tunnel and different firew=
all.  Or you could make your own set pretty easily.Paint touch up or ideall=
y paint respray.  If I keep it I would respray it.Consider replacing the re=
ar end with a Ford 8 or 9inch to better match the gear ratio of the Gearbox=
/Engine.  This is about $2=2C500 to do including drilling the brake drums t=
o match the TR wheels and re-piping.Tidy up and wrap the wiringTidy up othe=
r details (install the seat belts etc)Drive the heck out of it!
Sorry for the long email=2C but I'm looking forward to your thoughts.
Regards=2C
Wayne

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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>Folks=2C<div>I have been on the =
Triumphs list for years and years=2C and while I don't post much=2C I still=
 consider many of you my buddies in that strange internet/forum way. &nbsp=
=3BI still miss Fred=2C for example=2C even though I never actually knew hi=
m well - although he was the prior maintainer of my TR and I did have the p=
leasure of meeting him once when I went to Maryland to buy it.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>The reason I have started my email this way is because I need =
some advice from you that I'm hoping will be given in the same vein as I me=
ntion above.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm at a rather extreme part of my li=
fe with my Dad having recently survived a massive stroke (he is recovering =
very well)=2C an airplane project halfway complete - I need to update the b=
log - but you can see it hear plus some pics of Dad and I &nbsp=3B(<a href=
=3D"http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/member-project-logs/20648-ch-7=
50-cruzer-build-log.html" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-size: 12pt=3B">ht=
tp://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/member-project-logs/20648-ch-750-cru=
zer-build-log.html</a>)=2C twins in the third year of College=2C and an inc=
ome stream that is highly dependant on me selling software successfully whi=
ch I have been able to do in the past but am now at a new employer with a m=
uch slower sales cycle. &nbsp=3BI'm also President of a local EAA Chapter=
=2C and fly recreationally.</div><div><br></div><div>In short I have way to=
o little time=2C and am spending far too much of it not generating income=
=2C and now am chronically lagging behind on not just one=2C but two projec=
ts (the plane and finishing the TR). &nbsp=3B<b>Dad and I are building the =
plane as a Father/Son project and=2C for obvious reasons=2C I need to get i=
t done fast and to to that I need more time=2C and money.</b></div><div><br=
></div><div>I think it might be time for find a home for the TR=2C and I'm =
hoping you folks could give me your honest opinion on the best way to do th=
at=2C and what a fair price might be. &nbsp=3BI'd REALLY like it to go to a=
 good home since it's a special car that has received a lot of TLC over the=
 years. &nbsp=3BYou can see a video of the car here:&nbsp=3B<a href=3D"http=
s://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DMYk4eFVzY9I" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-=
size: 12pt=3B">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DMYk4eFVzY9I</a></div><div>=
I have since added the glove box and tidied up a few things.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>Here's a brief run-down of the car=2C I'm sure I'm missing some =
stuff.</div><div><br></div><div><b>1958 V8 TR3 - all of the below are insta=
lled and functioning very well</b></div><div>Ford 302 V8 installed. Apparen=
tly rebuilt about 20=2C000 miles ago. Runs awesome=2C oil pressure is good =
.</div><div>Brand new alternator=2C water pump=2C electric fuel pump</div><=
div>Brand new Holly Carb=2C Edelbrock intake manifold=2C block hugger heade=
rs. Airfilter</div><div>High efficiency electric radiator fan (I think it i=
s 3=2C000 CFM with thermostat control)</div><div>Hot Rod aluminum radiator =
- has not overheated through two Summers</div><div>"Off the shelf"=2C desig=
ned for the TR3 Mini=2C Cooper rack and pinion replaces the old steering bo=
x.</div><div>"Off the shelf"=2C designed for the TR3 sway bar (front)</div>=
<div>Borgeson stainless steering shaft=2C Borgeson U Joints for steering.</=
div><div>I Didit Hotrod steering column=2C with flashers=2C emergency light=
s=2C and high beam built in.</div><div>Dan Masters supplied TR 3 wiring har=
ness - brand new</div><div>Borg Warner T5 transmission</div><div>Custom dri=
ve shaft to original TR 3 Rear end</div><div>Aluminum Minilight style wheel=
s with good Bridgestone tires</div><div>Moto-Lita Steering wheel</div><div>=
Auto Meter Carbon Fiber gauges</div><div>Speedometer is driven by a GPS sen=
sor from Autometer</div><div>Custom Walnut burl dashboard</div><div>Brakes/=
Clutch are Tilton Racing floor mounted and dual circuit for brakes.</div><d=
iv>Zinc Dipped frame - ZERO rust.</div><div>Body is basically RUST free</di=
v><div>All brake lines and brake cylinders are new (rear) or just professio=
nally rebuilt (front)</div><div>Windshield wiper motor moved inside the car=
 and works just like it always did (it flips water around with it's tiny bl=
ades!)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b>Needs:</b>=
</div><div>Installation of brand new Moss Motors interior kit (Honey Tan) -=
 this is purchased and will come with the car.</div><div>I have a new Black=
 carpet set which needs to be adapted to the larger transmission tunnel and=
 different firewall. &nbsp=3BOr you could make your own set pretty easily.<=
/div><div>Paint touch up or ideally paint respray. &nbsp=3BIf I keep it I w=
ould respray it.</div><div>Consider replacing the rear end with a Ford 8 or=
 9inch to better match the gear ratio of the Gearbox/Engine. &nbsp=3BThis i=
s about $2=2C500 to do including drilling the brake drums to match the TR w=
heels and re-piping.</div><div>Tidy up and wrap the wiring</div><div>Tidy u=
p other details (install the seat belts etc)</div><div>Drive the heck out o=
f it!</div><div><br></div><div>Sorry for the long email=2C but I'm looking =
forward to your thoughts.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards=2C</div><div><br=
></div><div>Wayne</div><div><br></div><div><br></div> 		 	   		  </div></bo=
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From: Paul Willoughby <[email-masked]>
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I've been thinking about Wayne's question for about a week now.  Pricing
these old cars is pretty hit and miss.  As has been said many times, the
car is ultimately worth what a buyer is willing to pay, if you have a
buyer.

Another rule of thumb is that it can be cheaper to buy a fully restored
car, than building one yourself. More often than not, it costs more to
restore the car than the selling price value of it.

In the American hot rod world, a souped up '32 Ford is worth much more than
a stock '32 Ford.  But a hot rodded '57 t-bird might not be worth as much
as a restored stock one.  Both those cars have a wider popularity appeal
than our old Triumphs.  Definitely an apples to oranges comparison.

With that being said, I imagine that Wayne's very nice condition V8 TR3
could still be worth what a similar non-concourse TR3 would be worth.  Nada
lists '58 TR3 values at:

$12,000 low
$21,000 average
$50,000 high

ebay seems like a venue that would have the widest market reach.

I'm hesitant to even offer a value figure, because I could be way off.  If
I were to WAG, I would say maybe $15,000 plus or minus.  Am I too low?

paulw
Torrance, CA
1964 TR4
1956 TR3 V8

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Wayne Brazinski <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Folks,
> I have been on the Triumphs list for years and years, and while I don't
> post much, I still consider many of you my buddies in that strange
> internet/forum way.  I still miss Fred, for example, even though I never
> actually knew him well - although he was the prior maintainer of my TR and
> I did have the pleasure of meeting him once when I went to Maryland to buy
> it.
>
> The reason I have started my email this way is because I need some advice
> from you that I'm hoping will be given in the same vein as I mention above.
>
> I'm at a rather extreme part of my life with my Dad having recently
> survived a massive stroke (he is recovering very well), an airplane project
> halfway complete - I need to update the blog - but you can see it hear plus
> some pics of Dad and I  (
> http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/member-project-logs/20648-ch-750-cruzer-build-log.html),
> twins in the third year of College, and an income stream that is highly
> dependant on me selling software successfully which I have been able to do
> in the past but am now at a new employer with a much slower sales cycle.
> I'm also President of a local EAA Chapter, and fly recreationally.
>
> In short I have way too little time, and am spending far too much of it
> not generating income, and now am chronically lagging behind on not just
> one, but two projects (the plane and finishing the TR).  *Dad and I are
> building the plane as a Father/Son project and, for obvious reasons, I need
> to get it done fast and to to that I need more time, and money.*
>
> I think it might be time for find a home for the TR, and I'm hoping you
> folks could give me your honest opinion on the best way to do that, and
> what a fair price might be.  I'd REALLY like it to go to a good home since
> it's a special car that has received a lot of TLC over the years.  You can
> see a video of the car here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYk4eFVzY9I
> I have since added the glove box and tidied up a few things.
>
> Here's a brief run-down of the car, I'm sure I'm missing some stuff.
>
> *1958 V8 TR3 - all of the below are installed and functioning very well*
> Ford 302 V8 installed. Apparently rebuilt about 20,000 miles ago. Runs
> awesome, oil pressure is good .
> Brand new alternator, water pump, electric fuel pump
> Brand new Holly Carb, Edelbrock intake manifold, block hugger headers.
> Airfilter
> High efficiency electric radiator fan (I think it is 3,000 CFM with
> thermostat control)
> Hot Rod aluminum radiator - has not overheated through two Summers
> "Off the shelf", designed for the TR3 Mini, Cooper rack and pinion
> replaces the old steering box.
> "Off the shelf", designed for the TR3 sway bar (front)
> Borgeson stainless steering shaft, Borgeson U Joints for steering.
> I Didit Hotrod steering column, with flashers, emergency lights, and high
> beam built in.
> Dan Masters supplied TR 3 wiring harness - brand new
> Borg Warner T5 transmission
> Custom drive shaft to original TR 3 Rear end
> Aluminum Minilight style wheels with good Bridgestone tires
> Moto-Lita Steering wheel
> Auto Meter Carbon Fiber gauges
> Speedometer is driven by a GPS sensor from Autometer
> Custom Walnut burl dashboard
> Brakes/Clutch are Tilton Racing floor mounted and dual circuit for brakes.
> Zinc Dipped frame - ZERO rust.
> Body is basically RUST free
> All brake lines and brake cylinders are new (rear) or just professionally
> rebuilt (front)
> Windshield wiper motor moved inside the car and works just like it always
> did (it flips water around with it's tiny blades!)
>
>
>
> *Needs:*
> Installation of brand new Moss Motors interior kit (Honey Tan) - this is
> purchased and will come with the car.
> I have a new Black carpet set which needs to be adapted to the larger
> transmission tunnel and different firewall.  Or you could make your own set
> pretty easily.
> Paint touch up or ideally paint respray.  If I keep it I would respray it.
> Consider replacing the rear end with a Ford 8 or 9inch to better match the
> gear ratio of the Gearbox/Engine.  This is about $2,500 to do including
> drilling the brake drums to match the TR wheels and re-piping.
> Tidy up and wrap the wiring
> Tidy up other details (install the seat belts etc)
> Drive the heck out of it!
>
> Sorry for the long email, but I'm looking forward to your thoughts.
>
> Regards,
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>I&#39;ve been thinking about Wayn=
e&#39;s question for about a week now.=C2=A0 Pricing these old cars is pret=
ty hit and miss.=C2=A0 As has been said many times, the car is ultimately w=
orth what a buyer is willing to pay, if you have a buyer.=C2=A0 <br><br>Ano=
ther rule of thumb is that it can be cheaper to buy a fully restored car, t=
han building one yourself. More often than not, it costs more to restore th=
e car than the selling price value of it. <br><br></div>In the American hot=
 rod world, a souped up &#39;32 Ford is worth much more than a stock &#39;3=
2 Ford.=C2=A0 But a hot rodded &#39;57 t-bird might not be worth as much as=
 a restored stock one.=C2=A0 Both those cars have a wider popularity appeal=
 than our old Triumphs.=C2=A0 Definitely an apples to oranges comparison.<b=
r><br></div>With that being said, I imagine that Wayne&#39;s very nice cond=
ition V8 TR3 could still be worth what a similar non-concourse TR3 would be=
 worth.=C2=A0 Nada lists &#39;58 TR3 values at:<br><br></div>$12,000 low<br=
></div>$21,000 average<br></div>$50,000 high<br><div><div><div><div><div>=
=C2=A0<br></div><div>ebay seems like a venue that would have the widest mar=
ket reach.<br><br></div><div>I&#39;m hesitant to even offer a value figure,=
 because I could be way off.=C2=A0 If I were to WAG, I would say maybe $15,=
000 plus or minus.=C2=A0 Am I too low?<br><br></div><div>paulw<br></div><di=
v>Torrance, CA<br></div><div>1964 TR4<br></div><div>1956 TR3 V8<br></div><d=
iv><br><br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extr=
a"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Wayne Br=
azinski <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex">

<div><div dir=3D"ltr">Folks,<div>I have been on the Triumphs list for years=
 and years, and while I don&#39;t post much, I still consider many of you m=
y buddies in that strange internet/forum way.=C2=A0 I still miss Fred, for =
example, even though I never actually knew him well - although he was the p=
rior maintainer of my TR and I did have the pleasure of meeting him once wh=
en I went to Maryland to buy it.</div><div><br></div><div>The reason I have=
 started my email this way is because I need some advice from you that I&#3=
9;m hoping will be given in the same vein as I mention above.</div><div><br=
></div><div>I&#39;m at a rather extreme part of my life with my Dad having =
recently survived a massive stroke (he is recovering very well), an airplan=
e project halfway complete - I need to update the blog - but you can see it=
 hear plus some pics of Dad and I =C2=A0(<a href=3D"http://www.homebuiltair=
planes.com/forums/member-project-logs/20648-ch-750-cruzer-build-log.html" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:12pt" target=3D"_blank">http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com=
/forums/member-project-logs/20648-ch-750-cruzer-build-log.html</a>), twins =
in the third year of College, and an income stream that is highly dependant=
 on me selling software successfully which I have been able to do in the pa=
st but am now at a new employer with a much slower sales cycle.=C2=A0 I&#39=
;m also President of a local EAA Chapter, and fly recreationally.</div><div=
><br></div><div>In short I have way too little time, and am spending far to=
o much of it not generating income, and now am chronically lagging behind o=
n not just one, but two projects (the plane and finishing the TR). =C2=A0<b=
>Dad and I are building the plane as a Father/Son project and, for obvious =
reasons, I need to get it done fast and to to that I need more time, and mo=
ney.</b></div><div><br></div><div>I think it might be time for find a home =
for the TR, and I&#39;m hoping you folks could give me your honest opinion =
on the best way to do that, and what a fair price might be.=C2=A0 I&#39;d R=
EALLY like it to go to a good home since it&#39;s a special car that has re=
ceived a lot of TLC over the years.=C2=A0 You can see a video of the car he=
re:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DMYk4eFVzY9I" style=3D=
"font-size:12pt" target=3D"_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DMYk4eF=
VzY9I</a></div><div>I have since added the glove box and tidied up a few th=
ings.</div><div><br></div><div>Here&#39;s a brief run-down of the car, I&#3=
9;m sure I&#39;m missing some stuff.</div><div><br></div><div><b>1958 V8 TR=
3 - all of the below are installed and functioning very well</b></div><div>=
Ford 302 V8 installed. Apparently rebuilt about 20,000 miles ago. Runs awes=
ome, oil pressure is good .</div><div>Brand new alternator, water pump, ele=
ctric fuel pump</div><div>Brand new Holly Carb, Edelbrock intake manifold, =
block hugger headers. Airfilter</div><div>High efficiency electric radiator=
 fan (I think it is 3,000 CFM with thermostat control)</div><div>Hot Rod al=
uminum radiator - has not overheated through two Summers</div><div>&quot;Of=
f the shelf&quot;, designed for the TR3 Mini, Cooper rack and pinion replac=
es the old steering box.</div><div>&quot;Off the shelf&quot;, designed for =
the TR3 sway bar (front)</div><div>Borgeson stainless steering shaft, Borge=
son U Joints for steering.</div><div>I Didit Hotrod steering column, with f=
lashers, emergency lights, and high beam built in.</div><div>Dan Masters su=
pplied TR 3 wiring harness - brand new</div><div>Borg Warner T5 transmissio=
n</div><div>Custom drive shaft to original TR 3 Rear end</div><div>Aluminum=
 Minilight style wheels with good Bridgestone tires</div><div>Moto-Lita Ste=
ering wheel</div><div>Auto Meter Carbon Fiber gauges</div><div>Speedometer =
is driven by a GPS sensor from Autometer</div><div>Custom Walnut burl dashb=
oard</div><div>Brakes/Clutch are Tilton Racing floor mounted and dual circu=
it for brakes.</div><div>Zinc Dipped frame - ZERO rust.</div><div>Body is b=
asically RUST free</div><div>All brake lines and brake cylinders are new (r=
ear) or just professionally rebuilt (front)</div><div>Windshield wiper moto=
r moved inside the car and works just like it always did (it flips water ar=
ound with it&#39;s tiny blades!)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b=
r></div><div><b>Needs:</b></div><div>Installation of brand new Moss Motors =
interior kit (Honey Tan) - this is purchased and will come with the car.</d=
iv><div>I have a new Black carpet set which needs to be adapted to the larg=
er transmission tunnel and different firewall.=C2=A0 Or you could make your=
 own set pretty easily.</div><div>Paint touch up or ideally paint respray.=
=C2=A0 If I keep it I would respray it.</div><div>Consider replacing the re=
ar end with a Ford 8 or 9inch to better match the gear ratio of the Gearbox=
/Engine.=C2=A0 This is about $2,500 to do including drilling the brake drum=
s to match the TR wheels and re-piping.</div><div>Tidy up and wrap the wiri=
ng</div><div>Tidy up other details (install the seat belts etc)</div><div>D=
rive the heck out of it!</div><div><br></div><div>Sorry for the long email,=
 but I&#39;m looking forward to your thoughts.</div><div><br></div><div>Reg=
ards,</div><div><br></div><div>Wayne</div><div><br></div><div><br></div> 		=
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