Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 8, Issue 224

From: Keith Stewart <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 15:12:59 -0400

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> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Keith Stewartt wrote:
>=20
> I have power at the N/G bullets and connectors. When the N/G wires are =
attached to the horn connectors, I get power at the N/B wires. When the =
horn button is pressed, all wired up this way, I very low =E2=80=9Chmph=E2=
=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cbump=E2=80=9D is heard. If I remove a N/B from a horn =
and touch it to ground, the horn sounds as it should. If I remove the =
other N/B and touch it to ground, again the horn sounds as it should. I =
am guessing the horn button ground is not doing its job. Now, to trace =
where that ground connection is located. Does that logic make sense?
=E2=80=A6 and if the horn is button is pushed, I have continuity to =
ground. The N/B from the horn button shows no power (as it should). I =
disconnected the N/B on the R side and connected the N/B from the horn =
button straight to the L side. Left side now blows as normal. It would =
seem that the ground provided by the N/B is not getting across to the R =
side. I guess one horn is better than no horns :-)

Keith Stewart
[email-masked]

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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Aug 28, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Keith Stewartt wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
!important;" class=3D"">I have power at the N/G bullets and connectors. =
When the N/G wires are attached to the horn connectors, I get power at =
the N/B wires. When the horn button is pressed, all wired up this way, I =
very low =E2=80=9Chmph=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cbump=E2=80=9D is heard. If I =
remove a N/B from a horn and touch it to ground, the horn sounds as it =
should. If I remove the other N/B and touch it to ground, again the horn =
sounds as it should. I am guessing the horn button ground is not doing =
its job. Now, to trace where that ground connection is located. Does =
that logic make sense?</span></div></blockquote></div>=E2=80=A6 and if =
the horn is button is pushed, I have continuity to ground. The N/B from =
the horn button shows no power (as it should). I disconnected the N/B on =
the R side and connected the N/B from the horn button straight to the L =
side. Left side now blows as normal. It would seem that the ground =
provided by the N/B is not getting across to the R side. I guess one =
horn is better than no horns :-)<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"text-align: -webkit-auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">Keith Stewart</div><div =
style=3D"text-align: -webkit-auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"text-align: -webkit-auto;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a></span></div><div style=3D"text-align:=
 -webkit-auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=3D""><br =
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From: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:32:16 -0500

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Keith,
Both horns should have their own ground, left need not depend on the right.=20=

Bill

Sent from my TRS-80

> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Keith Stewart <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> I have power at the N/G bullets and connectors. When the N/G wires are att=
ached to the horn connectors, I get power at the N/B wires. When the horn bu=
tton is pressed, all wired up this way, I very low =E2=80=9Chmph=E2=80=9D or=
 =E2=80=9Cbump=E2=80=9D is heard. If I remove a N/B from a horn and touch it=
 to ground, the horn sounds as it should. If I remove the other N/B and touc=
h it to ground, again the horn sounds as it should. I am guessing the horn b=
utton ground is not doing its job. Now, to trace where that ground connectio=
n is located. Does that logic make sense?
=E2=80=A6 and if the horn is button is pushed, I have continuity to ground. T=
he N/B from the horn button shows no power (as it should). I disconnected th=
e N/B on the R side and connected the N/B from the horn button straight to t=
he L side. Left side now blows as normal. It would seem that the ground prov=
ided by the N/B is not getting across to the R side. I guess one horn is bet=
ter than no horns :-)

Keith Stewart
[email-masked]

ash.net

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Keith,</div><div>Both horns should hav=
e their own ground, left need not depend on the right.&nbsp;</div><div>Bill<=
br><br>Sent from my TRS-80</div><div><br>On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Keith S=
tewart &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"=
text/html charset=3Dutf-8"><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div cl=
ass=3D"">On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Keith Stewartt wrote:</div><br class=3D=
"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helv=
etica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weigh=
t: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-=
align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; w=
idows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none;=
 display: inline !important;" class=3D"">I have power at the N/G bullets and=
 connectors. When the N/G wires are attached to the horn connectors, I get p=
ower at the N/B wires. When the horn button is pressed, all wired up this wa=
y, I very low =E2=80=9Chmph=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cbump=E2=80=9D is heard. If I=
 remove a N/B from a horn and touch it to ground, the horn sounds as it shou=
ld. If I remove the other N/B and touch it to ground, again the horn sounds a=
s it should. I am guessing the horn button ground is not doing its job. Now,=
 to trace where that ground connection is located. Does that logic make sens=
e?</span></div></blockquote></div>=E2=80=A6 and if the horn is button is pus=
hed, I have continuity to ground. The N/B from the horn button shows no powe=
r (as it should). I disconnected the N/B on the R side and connected the N/B=
 from the horn button straight to the L side. Left side now blows as normal.=
 It would seem that the ground provided by the N/B is not getting across to t=
he R side. I guess one horn is better than no horns :-)<br class=3D""><div c=
lass=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-=
mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D=
"text-align: -webkit-auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=3D""><br class=3D"A=
pple-interchange-newline">Keith Stewart</div><div style=3D"text-align: -webk=
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From: Keith Stewart <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 19:26:50 -0400

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> On Aug 28, 2015, at 6:32 PM, [email-masked] <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> Keith,
> Both horns should have their own ground, left need not depend on the =
right.=20
> Sent from my TRS-80

Yes, I got that. The reason I disconnected the right side is that my =
meter showed that everything on the left side tested as it should but =
for some reason, the N/B on the right side was carrying current. Keeping =
it in the circuit negated the ground of the N/B on the left side. Taking =
the right side N/B out of play allowed the left side to work. Like I =
said, one horn is better than no horns.

Keith Stewart
[email-masked]

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charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Aug 28, 2015, at 6:32 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Keith,</div><div =
class=3D"">Both horns should have their own ground, left need not depend =
on the right.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"">Bill<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Sent from my TRS-80</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"text-align: -webkit-auto; orphans: 2; widows: =
2;" class=3D"">Yes, I got that. The reason I disconnected the right side =
is that my meter showed that everything on the left side tested as it =
should but for some reason, the N/B on the right side was carrying =
current. Keeping it in the circuit negated the ground of the N/B on the =
left side. Taking the right side N/B out of play allowed the left side =
to work. Like I said, one horn is better than no horns.</div><div =
style=3D"text-align: -webkit-auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">Keith Stewart</div><div =
style=3D"text-align: -webkit-auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"text-align: -webkit-auto;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a></span></div><div style=3D"text-align:=
 -webkit-auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
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