Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph Electric Fuel Pump

From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:11:56 -0700

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Jeff -

I wasn't aware that Triumph offered and electric alternative but if
appearance is important then possibly any round-body Lucas pump of the era
would suit.

You'd want correct polarity and most models (genuine SU) are now available
in an electronic version as well as the original points variety.  I think
new ones will run about $200 or so.

But since they were usually mounted somewhere hidden (MGs, Healeys,
Jaguars) no one is likely to ever see it.

Geo

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Jeffrey Gayton <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Does anyone know the manufacturer and model number of the optional
> electric fuel pump Triumph sold for the TR4? And any thoughts on how craz=
y
> it would be to find and fit one? I care too much about (the appearance of=
)
> originality to go with a modern unit. A vintage one would be fun, and I=
=E2=80=99m
> hoping it might help with cold-starting woes. If I=E2=80=99ve not run the=
 car for a
> couple of days, it takes a very long time for it to turn over, and it
> sounds to me like it=E2=80=99s because it takes a long time to get fuel t=
o the
> carbs. Once it=E2=80=99s running, it=E2=80=99s fine. And starting up afte=
r a day or two
> doesn=E2=80=99t take nearly as long.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jeff Gayton
>
> 1962 Triumph TR4
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Jeff -</div><div><br></div><div>I wasn&#39;t aware th=
at Triumph offered and electric alternative but if appearance is important =
then possibly any round-body Lucas pump of the era would suit.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>You&#39;d want correct polarity and most models (genuine SU) a=
re now available in an electronic version as well as the original points va=
riety.=C2=A0 I think new ones will run about $200 or so.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>But since they were usually mounted somewhere hidden (MGs, Healeys, =
Jaguars) no one is likely to ever see=C2=A0it.</div><div><br></div><div>Geo=
</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mo=
n, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Jeffrey Gayton <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Does anyone know the manufac=
turer and model number of the optional electric fuel pump Triumph sold for =
the TR4? And any thoughts on how crazy it would be to find and fit one? I c=
are too much about (the appearance of) originality to go with a modern unit=
. A vintage one would be fun, and I=E2=80=99m hoping it might help with col=
d-starting woes. If I=E2=80=99ve not run the car for a couple of days, it t=
akes a very long time for it to turn over, and it sounds to me like it=E2=
=80=99s because it takes a long time to get fuel to the carbs. Once it=E2=
=80=99s running, it=E2=80=99s fine. And starting up after a day or two does=
n=E2=80=99t take nearly as long.<br>
<br>
Thanks.<br>
<br>
Jeff Gayton<br>
<br>
1962 Triumph TR4<br>
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From: "Andrew S. Mace" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 22:31:18 -0400

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 Jeff, are you perhaps referring to such an item sold as a "competition" pa=
rt and/or recommended for competition use in the Prep Manuals? If so, perha=
ps it was a Bendix pump? That's what is in the trunk of my ( now long-dorma=
nt) Spitfire 4 ex-GP turned autocrosser, said car having been built probabl=
y in the late 1960s and pretty much as a textbook example of the Spitfire C=
ompetition Preparation Manual.

Just a thought!

=20

--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph H=
erald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Regi=
ster: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Heral=
d Database: http://triumph-herald.us
=20

=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Gayton <[email-masked]>

Does anyone know the manufacturer and model number of the optional electric=
 fuel
pump Triumph sold for the TR4? And any thoughts on how crazy it would be to=
 find
and fit one? I care too much about (the appearance of) originality to go wi=
th a
modern unit. A vintage one would be fun, and I=E2=80=99m hoping it might he=
lp with
cold-starting woes. If I=E2=80=99ve not run the car for a couple of days, i=
t takes a
very long time for it to turn over, and it sounds to me like it=E2=80=99s b=
ecause it
takes a long time to get fuel to the carbs. Once it=E2=80=99s running, it=
=E2=80=99s fine. And
starting up after a day or two doesn=E2=80=99t take nearly as long.

=20

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<div> <font size=3D"3">Jeff, are you perhaps referring to such an item sold=
 as a "competition" part and/or recommended for competition use in the Prep=
 Manuals? If so, perhaps it was a Bendix pump? That's what is in the trunk =
of my ( now long-dormant) Spitfire 4 ex-GP turned autocrosser, said car hav=
ing been built probably in the late 1960s and pretty much as a textbook exa=
mple of the Spitfire Competition Preparation Manual.<br>
<br>
Just a thought!<br>
</font>
</div>

<div> <br>

</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both"><font face=3D"arial" color=3D"black" size=3D"2">-=
-Andy Mace<br>

<br>

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?<br>

*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph H=
erald engine with wings.<br>

-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)<br>

<br>

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Regi=
ster: http://www.vtr.org<br>

<br>

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Heral=
d Database: http://triumph-herald.us</font></div>

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<pre style=3D"font-size: 9pt;"><tt>Does anyone know the manufacturer and mo=
del number of the optional electric fuel
pump Triumph sold for the TR4? And any thoughts on how crazy it would be to=
 find
and fit one? I care too much about (the appearance of) originality to go wi=
th a
modern unit. A vintage one would be fun, and I=E2=80=99m hoping it might he=
lp with
cold-starting woes. If I=E2=80=99ve not run the car for a couple of days, i=
t takes a
very long time for it to turn over, and it sounds to me like it=E2=80=99s b=
ecause it
takes a long time to get fuel to the carbs. Once it=E2=80=99s running, it=
=E2=80=99s fine. And
starting up after a day or two doesn=E2=80=99t take nearly as long.<a href=
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From: "John Macartney" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 11:02:00 +0100

As Andy Mace wrote, the fitting of electric fuel pumps was almost certainly for competition use only. The Lucas fuel pump used on the injection cars would have been quite unsuitable as it ran at around 150psi - far too much for a carbed engine. I do know that Experimental played around with electric pumps on other European rally cars but these were usually SU pumps (now known as Burlein Fuel Systems) as found on Sprites/Midgets and MGBs. I further recall these pumps were fitted with a pressure restrictor as they operated in parallel, meaning the failure of one meant the other could continue.

Jonmac

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I would like to add that there are two types of SU pump. Long pull and 
short push or short pull and long push.
This is to facilitate fitting the pump at the front or rear of the car.

Adrian

On 04/08/2015 01:11, Geo Hahn wrote:
> appearance is important then possibly any round-body Lucas pump of the 
> era would suit.
>
> You'd want correct polarity and most models (genuine SU) are now 
> available in an electronic version as well as the original points 
> variety.  I think new ones will run about $200 or so.
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Jeffrey Gayton <[email-masked] 
>
>     electric fuel pump Triumph sold for the TR4? And any thoughts on
>     how crazy it would be to find and fit one? I care too much about
>     (the appearance of) originality to go with a modern unit. A
>     vintage one would be fun, and I’m hoping it might help with
>     cold-starting woes. If I’ve not run the car for a couple of days,
>     it takes a very long time for it to turn over, and it sounds to me
>     like it’s because it takes a long time to get fuel to the carbs.
>     Once it’s running, it’s fine. And starting up after a day or two
>     doesn’t take nearly as long.
>
>     Thanks.
>
>     Jeff Gayton
>
>     1962 Triumph TR4
>
>
>
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    I would like to add that there are two types of SU pump. Long pull
    and short push or short pull and long push.<br>
    This is to facilitate fitting the pump at the front or rear of the
    car.<br>
    <br>
    Adrian<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/08/2015 01:11, Geo Hahn wrote:<br>
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        <div>Jeff -</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I wasn't aware that Triumph offered and electric
          alternative but if appearance is important then possibly any
          round-body Lucas pump of the era would suit.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>You'd want correct polarity and most models (genuine SU)
          are now available in an electronic version as well as the
          original points variety.  I think new ones will run about $200
          or so.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>But since they were usually mounted somewhere hidden (MGs,
          Healeys, Jaguars) no one is likely to ever see it.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Geo</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Jeffrey
          Gayton <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Does
            anyone know the manufacturer and model number of the
            optional electric fuel pump Triumph sold for the TR4? And
            any thoughts on how crazy it would be to find and fit one? I
            care too much about (the appearance of) originality to go
            with a modern unit. A vintage one would be fun, and I’m
            hoping it might help with cold-starting woes. If I’ve not
            run the car for a couple of days, it takes a very long time
            for it to turn over, and it sounds to me like it’s because
            it takes a long time to get fuel to the carbs. Once it’s
            running, it’s fine. And starting up after a day or two
            doesn’t take nearly as long.<br>
            <br>
            Thanks.<br>
            <br>
            Jeff Gayton<br>
            <br>
            1962 Triumph TR4<br>
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From: Jeffrey Gayton <[email-masked]>
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I think you=E2=80=99re right, Andy. I could have sworn I=E2=80=99d seen =
it listed in the Spare Parts Catalog, but I can=E2=80=99t find it now. =
It is in Kastner=E2=80=99s Competition Preparation Manual. =
Interestingly, it still has a part number (V0101), so presumably Triumph =
dealers sold them in period.

Any other info on make/model?

Thanks.

> On Aug 3, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Andrew S. Mace <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Jeff, are you perhaps referring to such an item sold as a =
"competition" part and/or recommended for competition use in the Prep =
Manuals? If so, perhaps it was a Bendix pump? That's what is in the =
trunk of my ( now long-dormant) Spitfire 4 ex-GP turned autocrosser, =
said car having been built probably in the late 1960s and pretty much as =
a textbook example of the Spitfire Competition Preparation Manual.
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, =
Triumph Herald engine with wings.
> Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph =
Register: http://www.vtr.org
>=20
> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph =
Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us
> Does anyone know the manufacturer and model number of the optional =
electric fuel
> pump Triumph sold for the TR4? And any thoughts on how crazy it would =
be to find
> and fit one? I care too much about (the appearance of) originality to =
go with a
> modern unit. A vintage one would be fun, and I=E2=80=99m hoping it =
might help with
> cold-starting woes. If I=E2=80=99ve not run the car for a couple of =
days, it takes a
> very long time for it to turn over, and it sounds to me like it=E2=80=99=
s because it
> takes a long time to get fuel to the carbs. Once it=E2=80=99s running, =
it=E2=80=99s fine. And
> starting up after a day or two doesn=E2=80=99t take nearly as long. =
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">I think you=E2=80=99re right, Andy. I could =
have sworn I=E2=80=99d seen it listed in the Spare Parts Catalog, but I =
can=E2=80=99t find it now. It is in Kastner=E2=80=99s Competition =
Preparation Manual. Interestingly, it still has a part number (V0101), =
so presumably Triumph dealers sold them in period.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Any other info on =
make/model?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
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referring to such an item sold as a "competition" part and/or =
recommended for competition use in the Prep Manuals? If so, perhaps it =
was a Bendix pump? That's what is in the trunk of my ( now long-dormant) =
Spitfire 4 ex-GP turned autocrosser, said car having been built probably =
in the late 1960s and pretty much as a textbook example of the Spitfire =
Competition Preparation Manual.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Just a thought!<br class=3D"">
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class=3D"">--Andy Mace<br class=3D"">

<br class=3D"">

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?<br class=3D"">

*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, =
Triumph Herald engine with wings.<br class=3D"">

-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)<br =
class=3D"">

<br class=3D"">

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph =
Register: <a href=3D"http://www.vtr.org" =
class=3D"">http://www.vtr.org</a><br class=3D"">

<br class=3D"">

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph =
Herald Database: <a href=3D"http://triumph-herald.us" =
class=3D"">http://triumph-herald.us</a></font></div>

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<pre style=3D"font-size: 9pt;" class=3D""><tt class=3D"">Does anyone =
know the manufacturer and model number of the optional electric fuel
pump Triumph sold for the TR4? And any thoughts on how crazy it would be =
to find
and fit one? I care too much about (the appearance of) originality to go =
with a
modern unit. A vintage one would be fun, and I=E2=80=99m hoping it might =
help with
cold-starting woes. If I=E2=80=99ve not run the car for a couple of =
days, it takes a
very long time for it to turn over, and it sounds to me like it=E2=80=99s =
because it
takes a long time to get fuel to the carbs. Once it=E2=80=99s running, =
it=E2=80=99s fine. And
starting up after a day or two doesn=E2=80=99t take nearly as long.<a =
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]"=
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