Subject: Re: [TR] Near $140k TR2 on offer in the Netherlands

From: Bob Labuz <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 09:36:34 -0400

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Don,

Looks like it has a TR4 engine. HS6 carbs + the later 4A intake 
manifold. Also looks like headers.

A nice car but the price? Why so much?

Bob

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      Looks like it has a TR4 engine. HS6 carbs + the later 4A intake
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      <br>
      A nice car but the price? Why so much?<br>
      <br>
      Bob<br>
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From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 06:40:30 -0700

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A rare car and probably a lot of guilders spent on the restoration - but
they made little effort to restore it correctly.  I don't see anything to
support that price.

Geo

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>A rare car and probably a lot of guilders spent on th=
e restoration - but they made little effort to restore it correctly.=C2=A0 =
I don&#39;t see anything to support that price.</div><div><br></div><div>Ge=
o</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2015=
-08-20 5:20 GMT-07:00 Don Hiscock <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:d=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span=
>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Wow!<div><a href=3D"h=
ttp://www.thegallerybrummen.nl/nl_NL/autobedrijf/collectie/9914215/details.=
html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.thegallerybrummen.nl/nl_NL/autobedrijf/c=
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From: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 09:10:52 -0500

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Mille Miglia entry -- that's what you're (supposedly) buying with this car.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Bob Labuz <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Don,
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> Looks like it has a TR4 engine. HS6 carbs + the later 4A intake manifold.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Mille Miglia entry -- that&#39;s what you&#39;re (supposed=
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"gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Bob Labuz <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">yellowtr@ade=
lphia.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
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    <div>Don,<br>
      <br>
      Looks like it has a TR4 engine. HS6 carbs + the later 4A intake
      manifold. Also looks like headers.<br>
      <br>
      A nice car but the price? Why so much?<br>
      <br>
      Bob<br>
      <br>
      On 08/20/2015 08:20 AM, Don Hiscock wrote:<br>
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From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 08:36:49 -0700

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On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 7:10 AM, Don Hiscock <[email-masked]> wrote:

True, it is Mille Miglia *eligible* -- but so is most any other TR2 or TR3:

http://www.1000miglia.eu/MilleMiglia/Previous-Editions/2014-Edition/Eligible-Cars/

It says that this car has run in prior MMs but in the modern era
(2013-2015) - no indication of a racing or rally history.

Geo

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 7:=
10 AM, Don Hiscock <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:don.hiscock@gmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:</div><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204=
,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir=3D"ltr">Mille=
 Miglia entry -- that&#39;s what you&#39;re (supposedly) buying with this c=
ar.</div></blockquote><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">True,=C2=A0it is Mille Migl=
ia <em>eligible</em> -- but so=C2=A0is most any other TR2 or TR3:</div></di=
v><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.1000miglia.eu/MilleMiglia/Previ=
ous-Editions/2014-Edition/Eligible-Cars/">http://www.1000miglia.eu/MilleMig=
lia/Previous-Editions/2014-Edition/Eligible-Cars/</a></div><div><br></div><=
div>It says that this car has run in prior MMs but in the modern era (2013-=
2015)=C2=A0- no indication of a racing or rally history.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Geo<br></div></div>

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From: "John Macartney" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 17:33:30 +0100

Geo Hahn wrote: I don't see anything to support that price.

Nor me but that's what dealers in mainland Europe are charging for 'interesting' cars - and largely getting those prices. I don't know where this car came from before rebuild but once again it underlines what I've been saying for years. European dealers are combing everywhere - including the States for TR's, Big Healeys et al that they bring back for rebuild or immediate sale. They charge utterly ludicrous prices and if a covey of dimwits are willing to pay those prices, who can blame the dealers?

Jonmac

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From: "Joe Curry" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 09:40:21 -0700

It is a mixes bag.  On one hand, it makes the cars less affordable for the
people wanting to buy them but the upside is it brings up the value for
those who are wanting to sell one.

Joe

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Nor me but that's what dealers in mainland Europe are charging for
'interesting' cars - and largely getting those prices. I don't know where
this car came from before rebuild but once again it underlines what I've
been saying for years. European dealers are combing everywhere - including
the States for TR's, Big Healeys et al that they bring back for rebuild or
immediate sale. They charge utterly ludicrous prices and if a covey of
dimwits are willing to pay those prices, who can blame the dealers?

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From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 21:21:45 +0000 (UTC)

So, the fuel guage works when I fill the tank.  Registers full.  Then, right about 3/4ths of a tank left, it wobbles, then drops to zero. 

Voltage at the sending unit is 12 in and a bit over 4 out.  Voltage at the gauge is the same.  Both measurements at the 3/4ths level.

I would guess that the sending unit is simply a variable resister, somewhat like the heater fan switch.  I would think that the resistance wire that the float rides on might be broken at that one particular point.  ...Except I'm getting 4 volts being sent to the gauge.

Am I right that the gauge is faulty?  I don't understand gauges, and why they might malfunction at one particular reading (and all subsequent until the gas tank is empty).

Thoughts?

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
New Hampshire

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From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:38:44 -0700

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Terry -

Here is an excellent write-up on testing and repair of the system:

http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/fg_01.htm

It is for an MGA but equally applicable to our TR3As.

Geo

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 2:21 PM, <[email-masked]> wrote:

>
> So, the fuel guage works when I fill the tank.  Registers full.  Then,
> right about 3/4ths of a tank left, it wobbles, then drops to zero.
>
> Voltage at the sending unit is 12 in and a bit over 4 out.  Voltage at the
> gauge is the same.  Both measurements at the 3/4ths level.
>
> I would guess that the sending unit is simply a variable resister,
> somewhat like the heater fan switch.  I would think that the resistance
> wire that the float rides on might be broken at that one particular point.
> ...Except I'm getting 4 volts being sent to the gauge.
>
> Am I right that the gauge is faulty?  I don't understand gauges, and why
> they might malfunction at one particular reading (and all subsequent until
> the gas tank is empty).
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
> New Hampshire
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Terry -</div><div><br></div><div>Here is an excellent=
 write-up on testing and repair of the system:</div><div><br></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/fg_01.htm">http://mgaguru.com/mg=
tech/electric/fg_01.htm</a></div><div><br></div><div>It is for an MGA but e=
qually applicable to our TR3As.</div><div><br></div><div>Geo</div></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 20, 2015=
 at 2:21 PM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex"><br>
So, the fuel guage works when I fill the tank.=C2=A0 Registers full.=C2=A0 =
Then, right about 3/4ths of a tank left, it wobbles, then drops to zero.<br=
<br>
Voltage at the sending unit is 12 in and a bit over 4 out.=C2=A0 Voltage at=
 the gauge is the same.=C2=A0 Both measurements at the 3/4ths level.<br>
<br>
I would guess that the sending unit is simply a variable resister, somewhat=
 like the heater fan switch.=C2=A0 I would think that the resistance wire t=
hat the float rides on might be broken at that one particular point.=C2=A0 =
...Except I&#39;m getting 4 volts being sent to the gauge.<br>
<br>
Am I right that the gauge is faulty?=C2=A0 I don&#39;t understand gauges, a=
nd why they might malfunction at one particular reading (and all subsequent=
 until the gas tank is empty).<br>
<br>
Thoughts?<br>
<br>
Terry Smith, &#39;59 TR3A<br>
New Hampshire<br>
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 18:05:25 -0700

> It is for an MGA but equally applicable to our TR3As.

But don't forget that the TR3 uses slightly different resistances.  The
various tests that Barney gives will need to be adjusted for the TR3.

Personally, I rather suspect the problem is in the gauge.  The sending unit
is a variable resistor as you suggested, but it is at maximum resistance for
full (on a TR3, TR4-6 work the other way).  Although not impossible, it
seems unlikely to me that it has the correct, high resistance when full,
then the resistance suddenly drops for some reason.  The gauge uses two
coils and a resistor internally, and can do some very strange things if the
resistor burns out.

Also check that the gauge body is securely grounded.  I found that my fuel
gauge worked much more reliably when I added a short wire from the gauge
mounting stud to the ground tie point on the back of the panel.

-- Randall