Subject: Re: [TR] wiring or ?

From: "Greg Lemon" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 02:46:49 -0500

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If you don't have a Lucas Fault Manual it can be accessed here:  =
http://herald-tips-tricks.wdfiles.com/local--files/start%3Astart0/Lucas%2=
0Fault%20Diagnosis%20Service%20Manual.pdf (I don't recall seeing a link =
posted, if there was I apologize for the redundency).

I like it because most of the tests can be done with a simple =
multi-meter, and even a semi electronically challenged guy like me can =
understand and follow the steps.

Greg Lemon

From: Dave=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:40 AM
To: [email-masked] ; [email-masked]=20
Subject: Re: [TR] wiring or ?

And it was quick, easy and cost nothing, right?  ;-)

OK, take Geo's advice and follow the Lucas manual.  They will probably =
tell you to double check the connections among other things.  You may =
have to resort to using a voltmeter and measure voltages at the voltage =
at the dynamo terminal of the generator.  If it is only a few volts then =
I would suspect the connections between the generator and the regulator.

Or bad brushes.

Dave Massey

-----Original Message-----
From: dave n <[email-masked]>
To: Dave <[email-masked]>; triumphs <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2015 9:02 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] wiring or ?

we reflashed the generator several times=20
=20
From: Dave=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 8:49 PM=20
To: [email-masked] ; [email-masked]=20
Subject: Re: [TR] wiring or ?=20
=20
I'd start with reflashing the field.  It is quick, easy and costs =
nothing.

It sounds like you're making progress.  It always seems to be a bunch of =
little things that get taken care of one at a time.

=20
=20
Dave Massey=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: dave n <[email-masked]>=20
To: triumphs <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2015 4:04 pm=20
Subject: [TR] wiring or ?=20

57 TR3, small mouth, early disk brake car.  supposedly everything is new =
and/or rebuilt, but i'm not so sure.  car has been being worked on for a =
decade; this car was mostly put together by an incompetent mechanic, so =
keep that in mind.  i am still trying to finish the car and undo his =
crap. =20
we put the instrument panel in and wired the supposedly new set of =
gauges.  we finally got the car running, and its got about 2 miles on =
it.  the red generator stayed lit during these 2 miles.  we finally =
figured out he had supplied a positive ground generator for a negative =
ground car, flashed the generator, and the light went out.=20
we then discovered that the gas gauge did not work.  we pulled it, tried =
some things, discovered that the sending unit was not working, replaced =
that, but the gauge still did not work.  had the gauge rebuilt, and now =
its working.=20
but the generator light is back on.  we thought it might be the voltage =
regulator, but we pulled it and tested it with nothing suspicious.  plus =
i swapped in a regulator from a running car, with no change.=20
i'm thinking it could be the ammeter, or possibly when we were messing =
with the fuel gauge, we caused something to short or loosened a =
connection.  this car has a heater, so all that stuff is really crammed =
in there.=20
i've got a tr4 ammeter, which according to moss, is the same.  and i'm =
going to look at the wiring.  any ideas, thoughts, recommendations, etc =
are more than welcome.=20
not only is this guy a lousy mechanic, he put a bunch of philip head =
screws and bolts into a car which never had anything but slotted head.   =
 plus he had my car for several years without actually doing anything on =
it.  so by the time we discovered there were issues with the paint, it =
was too late to go back to the painter.  and i had specifically asked =
him to make sure the paint was ok when he picked it up from the painter. =
 then he said it was my fault for approving it, when i wasn't even =
there. =20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>If you don't have a Lucas Fault Manual it can =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>I like it because most of the tests can be =
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:40 AM</DIV>
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face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=3D4>And it was quick, =
easy and cost=20
nothing, right?&nbsp; ;-)<BR><BR>OK, take Geo's advice and follow the =
Lucas=20
manual.&nbsp; They will probably tell you to double check the =
connections among=20
other things.&nbsp; You may have to resort to using a voltmeter and =
measure=20
voltages at the voltage at the dynamo terminal of the generator.&nbsp; =
If it is=20
only a few volts then I would suspect the connections between the =
generator and=20
the regulator.<BR><BR>Or bad brushes.<BR></FONT>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"CLEAR: both"><FONT size=3D4>Dave =
Massey</FONT><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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black">-----Original=20
Message-----<BR>From: dave n &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR>To: Dave=20
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; triumphs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR>Sent:=20
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removedlink__9c8685d3-72ba-4f34-8626-986cd4f0bcaf__href=3D"mailto:dave1ma=
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</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 28, 2015 8:49 PM </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked] target=3D_blank=20
removedlink__9c8685d3-72ba-4f34-8626-986cd4f0bcaf__href=3D"mailto:dave@ra=
nteer.com">[email-masked]</A>=20
; <A title=[email-masked] target=3D_blank=20
removedlink__9c8685d3-72ba-4f34-8626-986cd4f0bcaf__href=3D"mailto:triumph=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [TR] wiring or ? </DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
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DISPLAY: inline'><FONT=20
color=3Dblack size=3D4 face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT =
size=3D4>I'd start=20
with reflashing the field.&nbsp; It is quick, easy and costs =
nothing.<BR><BR>It=20
sounds like you're making progress.&nbsp; It always seems to be a bunch =
of=20
little things that get taken care of one at a time.<BR></FONT>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"CLEAR: both"><FONT size=3D4>Dave Massey</FONT> =
<BR><BR></DIV>
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black">-----Original=20
Message----- <BR>From: dave n &lt;<A=20
removedlink__9c8685d3-72ba-4f34-8626-986cd4f0bcaf__href=3D"mailto:dave@ra=
nteer.com">[email-masked]</A>&gt;=20
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removedlink__9c8685d3-72ba-4f34-8626-986cd4f0bcaf__href=3D"mailto:triumph=
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<BR>Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2015 4:04 pm <BR>Subject: [TR] wiring or ? =
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<DIV>57 TR3, small mouth, early disk brake car.&nbsp; supposedly =
everything is=20
new and/or rebuilt, but i'm not so sure.&nbsp; car has been being worked =
on for=20
a decade; this car was mostly put together by an incompetent mechanic, =
so keep=20
that in mind.&nbsp; i am still trying to finish the car and undo his =
crap.&nbsp;=20
</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>we put the instrument panel in and wired the supposedly new set of=20
gauges.&nbsp; we finally got the car running, and its got about 2 miles =
on=20
it.&nbsp; the red generator stayed lit during these 2 miles.&nbsp; we =
finally=20
figured out he had supplied a positive ground generator for a negative =
ground=20
car, flashed the generator, and the light went out. </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>we then discovered that the gas gauge did not work.&nbsp; we pulled =
it,=20
tried some things, discovered that the sending unit was not working, =
replaced=20
that, but the gauge still did not work.&nbsp; had the gauge rebuilt, and =
now its=20
working. </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>but the generator light is back on.&nbsp; we thought it might be =
the=20
voltage regulator, but we pulled it and tested it with nothing =
suspicious.&nbsp;=20
plus i swapped in a regulator from a running car, with no change. </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>i'm thinking it could be the ammeter, or possibly when we were =
messing with=20
the fuel gauge, we caused something to short or loosened a =
connection.&nbsp;=20
this car has a heater, so all that stuff is really crammed in there. =
</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>i've got a tr4 ammeter, which according to moss, is the same.&nbsp; =
and i'm=20
going to look at the wiring.&nbsp; any ideas, thoughts, recommendations, =
etc are=20
more than welcome. </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>not only is this guy a lousy mechanic, he put a bunch of philip =
head screws=20
and bolts into a car which never had anything but slotted=20
head.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; plus he had my car for several years without =
actually=20
doing anything on it.&nbsp; so by the time we discovered there were =
issues with=20
the paint, it was too late to go back to the painter.&nbsp; and i had=20
specifically asked him to make sure the paint was ok when he picked it =
up from=20
the painter.&nbsp; then he said it was my fault for approving it, when i =
wasn't=20
even there.&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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