Subject: Re: [TR] nice price or crack pipe

From: Joe Burlein <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 15:57:12 -0400

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These kind of restorations have to be labors of love. As much as we may love=
 our cars they are just not yet worth the kind of cash it takes to do a fram=
e off resto if you are farming it out to shops to do the work.  Just ask the=
 guy in my neck of the woods trying to unload his TR7 that he paid too much f=
or, put too much into it, and now wants to sell it. The dude is hosed as he i=
s asking more than NADA for it. (And the isn't even finished yet)

> On Jun 21, 2015, at 15:40, William Smith <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> If you want to be honest with yourself, valuing your time at $10/hr may ma=
ke you feel better about your investment,  but restoration labor in this nec=
k of the woods (northern NJ) is upwards of $100/hr.  Recalculate and weep.  A=
ll kidding aside, congratulations on your restoration, and I envy your energ=
y, skill and tenacity.=20
> Happy Fathers Day.=20
> Bill Smith
> '72 TR6 &
> '80 TR7
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>These kind of restorations have to be l=
abors of love. As much as we may love our cars they are just not yet worth t=
he kind of cash it takes to do a frame off resto if you are farming it out t=
o shops to do the work. &nbsp;Just ask the guy in my neck of the woods tryin=
g to unload his TR7 that he paid too much for, put too much into it, and now=
 wants to sell it. The dude is hosed as he is asking more than NADA for it. (=
And the isn't even finished yet)<br><br></div><div><br>On Jun 21, 2015, at 1=
5:40, William Smith &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">smithw1@opt=
online.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta h=
ttp-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8"><div>If yo=
u want to be honest with yourself, valuing your time at $10/hr may make you f=
eel better about your investment, &nbsp;but restoration labor in this neck o=
f the woods (northern NJ) is upwards of $100/hr. &nbsp;Recalculate and weep.=
 &nbsp;All kidding aside, congratulations on your restoration, and I envy yo=
ur energy, skill and tenacity.&nbsp;</div><div>Happy Fathers Day.&nbsp;</div=
><div>Bill Smith</div><div>'72 TR6 &amp;</div><div>'80 TR7</div><div><br></d=
iv><div><div style=3D"font-size:9px;color:#575757">Sent from my Verizon Wire=
less 4G LTE smartphone</div></div>
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From: Rich White <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 22:29:09 -0500

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I think I would value my restoration labor at a minimum. I have no problem =
valuing my labor at the going rate when I'm using skills where I have exper=
ience and training.    When I get started in a couple of years I expect to =
be slow and have a lot of rework.

Rich White Central=2C IL USA=20
'63 TR3B TCF###L=20
That ain't a scrap pile=2C that is my car!=20

Date: Sun=2C 21 Jun 2015 15:40:04 -0400
From: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] nice price or crack pipe

If you want to be honest with yourself=2C valuing your time at $10/hr may m=
ake you feel better about your investment=2C  but restoration labor in this=
 neck of the woods (northern NJ) is upwards of $100/hr.  Recalculate and we=
ep.  All kidding aside=2C congratulations on your restoration=2C and I envy=
 your energy=2C skill and tenacity. Happy Fathers Day. Bill Smith'72 TR6 &'=
80 TR7
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone=0A=

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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>I think I would value my restora=
tion labor at a minimum. I have no problem valuing my labor at the going ra=
te when I'm using skills where I have experience and training. &nbsp=3B &nb=
sp=3BWhen I get started in a couple of years I expect to be slow and have a=
 lot of rework.<br><br>Rich White Central=2C IL USA <br>'63 TR3B TCF###L <b=
r>That ain't a scrap pile=2C that is my car! <br><br><br><div><hr id=3D"sto=
pSpelling">Date: Sun=2C 21 Jun 2015 15:40:04 -0400<br>From: smithw1@optonli=
ne.net<br>To: [email-masked]<br>Subject: Re: [TR] nice price or cr=
ack pipe<br><br><div>If you want to be honest with yourself=2C valuing your=
 time at $10/hr may make you feel better about your investment=2C &nbsp=3Bb=
ut restoration labor in this neck of the woods (northern NJ) is upwards of =
$100/hr. &nbsp=3BRecalculate and weep. &nbsp=3BAll kidding aside=2C congrat=
ulations on your restoration=2C and I envy your energy=2C skill and tenacit=
y.&nbsp=3B</div><div>Happy Fathers Day.&nbsp=3B</div><div>Bill Smith</div><=
div>'72 TR6 &amp=3B</div><div>'80 TR7</div><div><br></div><div><div style=
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From: "Greg Lemon" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:04:23 -0500

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I still remember the reference to "the rational economic man" from my =
intro to economics class, John Stuart Mill:  "an arbitrary definition of =
man, as a being who inevitably does that by which he may obtain the =
greatest amount of necessaries, conveniences, and luxuries, with the =
smallest quantity of labour and physical self-denial with which they can =
be obtained." =20

Apparently Mr. Mill did not spend much time on the Triumph listserv.

Greg Lemon

From: Rich White=20
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 10:29 PM
To: TR owners List=20
Subject: Re: [TR] nice price or crack pipe

I think I would value my restoration labor at a minimum. I have no =
problem valuing my labor at the going rate when I'm using skills where I =
have experience and training.    When I get started in a couple of years =
I expect to be slow and have a lot of rework.

Rich White Central, IL USA=20
'63 TR3B TCF###L=20
That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car!=20

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 15:40:04 -0400
From: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] nice price or crack pipe

If you want to be honest with yourself, valuing your time at $10/hr may =
make you feel better about your investment,  but restoration labor in =
this neck of the woods (northern NJ) is upwards of $100/hr.  Recalculate =
and weep.  All kidding aside, congratulations on your restoration, and I =
envy your energy, skill and tenacity.=20
Happy Fathers Day.=20
Bill Smith
'72 TR6 &
'80 TR7

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<DIV>I still remember the reference to "the rational economic man" from =
my intro=20
to economics class, John Stuart Mill:&nbsp; =93an arbitrary definition =
of man, as=20
a being who inevitably does that by which he may obtain the greatest =
amount of=20
necessaries, conveniences, and luxuries, with the smallest quantity of =
labour=20
and physical self-denial with which they can be obtained.=94&nbsp; =
</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Apparently Mr. Mill did not spend much time on the Triumph =
listserv.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Greg Lemon</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Rich White</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 21, 2015 10:29 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">TR owners List</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [TR] nice price or crack pipe</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>I think I would value my restoration labor at a minimum. =
I have no=20
problem valuing my labor at the going rate when I'm using skills where I =
have=20
experience and training. &nbsp; &nbsp;When I get started in a couple of =
years I=20
expect to be slow and have a lot of rework.<BR><BR>Rich White Central, =
IL USA=20
<BR>'63 TR3B TCF###L <BR>That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! =
<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV>
<HR id=3DstopSpelling>
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 15:40:04 -0400<BR>From: =
[email-masked]<BR>To:=20
[email-masked]<BR>Subject: Re: [TR] nice price or crack =
pipe<BR><BR>
<DIV>If you want to be honest with yourself, valuing your time at $10/hr =
may=20
make you feel better about your investment, &nbsp;but restoration labor =
in this=20
neck of the woods (northern NJ) is upwards of $100/hr. &nbsp;Recalculate =
and=20
weep. &nbsp;All kidding aside, congratulations on your restoration, and =
I envy=20
your energy, skill and tenacity.&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Happy Fathers Day.&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Bill Smith</DIV>
<DIV>'72 TR6 &amp;</DIV>
<DIV>'80 TR7</DIV>
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From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 11:55:46 -0700

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On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 7:04 AM, Greg Lemon <[email-masked]> wrote:

>  "...a being who inevitably does that by which he may obtain the greatest
> amount of necessaries, conveniences, and luxuries, with the smallest
> quantity of labour and physical self-denial with which they can be
> obtained" ...Apparently Mr. Mill did not spend much time on the Triumph
> listserv.
>

Perhaps a more accurate description of our group would be "we choose to do
these things not because they are easy, but because they are hard".

Geo

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On M=
on, Jun 22, 2015 at 7:04 AM, Greg Lemon <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
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<div>&quot;...a being who inevitably does that by which he may obtain the g=
reatest amount of=20
necessaries, conveniences, and luxuries, with the smallest quantity of labo=
ur=20
and physical self-denial with which they can be obtained&quot; ...Apparentl=
y Mr. Mill did not spend much time on the Triumph listserv.</div></div></bl=
ockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps a=C2=A0more accurate de=
scription of our group would be &quot;we choose to do these things not beca=
use they are easy, but because they are hard&quot;.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Geo</div></div></div></div>

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