Subject: [TR] Rings Not seating

From: Cosmo Kramer <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:33:29 +0000 (UTC)

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:46:25 -0500
From: Roger Elliott <[email-masked]>
To:=C2=[email-masked]
Subject: [TR] Rings Not seating

Hi,

What is the most likely cause of rings not seating?

I rebuilt my Spitfire engine about 4,000 miles ago and still have=C2=A0
excessive oil consumption.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I don't seem to be leaking oil, so =
my=C2=A0
assumption is that it is getting past the rings.

I did check the gap on all of the rings during installation and they all=C2=
=A0
were within tolerance - generally towards the tighter end.

I am planning on taking off the head and putting new rings on.

What steps should I take to try to make sure the new rings seat=C2=A0
properly?=C2=A0 I am thinking I should run a hone down cylinders just to=C2=
=A0
roughen up the walls a bit.

Thanks,
Roger=C2=A0 Elliott-------------------------------------Hi List!Roger, I ho=
pe you installed Each Ring Layer gap set 180^ to the next Each Ring Layer g=
ap?
If you had each layer gap in a vertical line with the next layer, then you =
may have the leakage easier to increase from the top of the piston area, to=
 the sump pan space.-Cosmo Kramer=C2=A0-Cosmo Kramer
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ng?</span><br style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, s=
erif; font-size: 16px;" class=3D""><br style=3D"font-family: 'times new rom=
an', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"=
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gine about 4,000 miles ago and still have&nbsp;</span><br style=3D"font-fam=
ily: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px;" class=
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if; font-size: 16px;" class=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1435071456152_7575">exc=
essive oil consumption.&nbsp; &nbsp; I don't seem to be leaking oil, so my&=
nbsp;</span><br style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times,=
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_16_0_1_1435071456152_7576">assumption is that it is getting past the rings=
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if; font-size: 16px;" class=3D""><br style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman=
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lass=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1435071456152_7577">I did check the gap on all=
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ass=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, =
serif; font-size: 16px;" class=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1435071456152_7578">=
were within tolerance - generally towards the tighter end.</span><br style=
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px;" class=3D""><br style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', ti=
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ui_3_16_0_1_1435071456152_7832">I am planning on taking off the head and pu=
tting new rings on.</span><br style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', 'new=
 york', times, serif; font-size: 16px;" class=3D""><br style=3D"font-family=
: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px;" class=3D""=
><span style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; f=
ont-size: 16px;" class=3D"">What steps should I take to try to make sure th=
e new rings seat&nbsp;</span><br style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', '=
new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-f=
amily: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px;" class=
=3D"">properly?&nbsp; I am thinking I should run a hone down cylinders just=
 to&nbsp;</span><br style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', ti=
mes, serif; font-size: 16px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: 'times=
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w york', times, serif; font-size: 16px;" class=3D""><br style=3D"font-famil=
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35071456152_7579">Thanks,</span><br style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman'=
, 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"fon=
t-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px;" cl=
ass=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1435071456152_7580">Roger&nbsp; Elliott</span><=
span></span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1435071456152_7475" dir=3D"ltr"><=
span style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; fon=
t-size: 16px;" class=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1435071456152_7581">----------=
---------------------------</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14350714561=
52_7475" dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', 'new yo=
rk', times, serif; font-size: 16px;" class=3D"">Hi List!</span></div><div i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1435071456152_7475" dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px;" class=3D"=
" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1435071456152_7582">Roger, I hope you installed Each R=
ing Layer gap set 180^ to the next Each Ring Layer gap?</span></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1435071456152_7475" dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-family=
: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px;" class=3D""=
><br></span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1435071456152_7475" dir=3D"ltr"><=
span style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; fon=
t-size: 16px;" class=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1435071456152_7661">If you had=
 each layer gap in a vertical line with the next layer, then you may have t=
he leakage easier to increase from the top of the piston area, to the sump =
pan space.</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1435071456152_7475" dir=3D"l=
tr"><span style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif=
; font-size: 16px;" class=3D"">-Cosmo Kramer</span></div><div></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1435071456152_7587">&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14=
35071456152_7464"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1435071456152_7463">-Cosmo Kramer=
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