Subject: Re: [TR] Distributor help UPDATE

From: "Pete Ryner" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 16:37:25 -0400

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When all else fails, go back to the beginning and look at basics.  =
Following that advise I took a minute and checked the engine SN only to =
find out that it is a TR4 engine.  Must have been changed before my time =
years ago.  Anyway that at least explains why it has a D25 distributor.  =
Still no idea why the unusual distributor number.  I did clean off the =
vacuum advance and found the part # 54411233 and advance numbers 5-11-7. =
 TRF has a part with the same numbers but a different part # for a TR =
distributor.  Now my dilemma. =20
Do I purchase the unit, roughly $70, purchase a brand new distributor =
from them for roughly $100 (sure it is a knock off of unknown quality), =
or pick up the correct rebuilt distributor for around $200.=20
Thanks for the inputs so far.
Pete
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all else fails, go back to the beginning and look at basics.&nbsp; =
Following=20
that advise I took a minute and checked the engine SN only to find out =
that it=20
is a TR4 engine.&nbsp; Must have been changed before my time years =
ago.&nbsp;=20
Anyway that at least explains why it has a D25 distributor.&nbsp; Still =
no idea=20
why the unusual distributor number.&nbsp; I did clean off the vacuum =
advance and=20
found the part # 54411233 and advance numbers 5-11-7.&nbsp; TRF has a =
part with=20
the same numbers but a different part # for a TR distributor.&nbsp; Now =
my=20
dilemma.&nbsp; </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>Do=20
I purchase the unit, roughly $70, purchase a brand new distributor from =
them for=20
roughly $100 (sure it is a knock off of unknown quality), or pick up the =
correct=20
rebuilt distributor for around $200. </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
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"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
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for the inputs so far.</DIV></DIV>
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From: "Greg Lemon" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 18:14:55 -0500

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My TR250 has a Pertronix and runs fine, I have some mild modifications, =
I was running consistent 16.7 second quarter miles last year, I think =
Road and Track had tested them at 17.9 new.  No miss or lack of power =
that I am aware of.

Greg Lemon
TR250
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: [email-masked]=20
  To: [email-masked]=20
  Cc: [email-masked]=20
  Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 1:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [TR] Distributor help

  In a message dated 4/9/2015 12:26:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =
[email-masked] writes:
    Interesting that he says " I WILL NOT install a Pertronix in a TR6 =
and will do everything in my power to talk you into using points!!!"

    I wonder why?

  I asked Jeff @ Advanced Distributors that very same "why" question =
just yesterday because I saw it on the website and thought this =
represented a new position for him.
  here is his response:

  "RFI noise from plugs wires causes a misfire and I see it on the dyno. =

  Put in points, gain power. Its a repetitive issue I see with insanely=20
  great regularity.
  Jeff"

  It so happens that I own a chassis dyno and literally less than an =
hour ago had a customer TR6 on the dyno with a distributor rebuild by =
Advanced Distributors with a Pertronix ignitor in it. The car makes =
really good power and has no miss anywhere in the power band and has a =
nearly flat air/fuel curve. Time is money around here, so there is no =
way I'm going to put points in this distributor to test Jeff's claim - =
this car runs great, so its going home with the pertronix in it.  We =
have had many TR6s on this dyno - only a few with Pertronix in them, but =
I have seen no evidence of misfire in any of them=20

  There are many "experts" in our hobby. Some may be wrong, but none are =
in doubt.  ;-)

  Cheers,
  Jack Mc

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<DIV>My TR250 has a Pertronix and runs fine, I have some mild =
modifications, I=20
was running consistent 16.7 second quarter miles last year, I think Road =
and=20
Track had tested them at 17.9 new.&nbsp; No miss or lack of power that I =
am=20
aware of.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Greg Lemon</DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=[email-masked]=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 09, 2015 =
1:36=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [TR] Distributor =
help</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT id=3Drole_document color=3D#000000 size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>In a message dated 4/9/2015 12:26:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =
<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> =
writes:</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
  style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px"><FONT=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=3D#000000 size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>
    <DIV class=3Dgmail_extra>Interesting that he says "&nbsp;I WILL NOT =
install a=20
    Pertronix in a TR6 and will do everything in my power to talk you =
into using=20
    points!!!"</DIV>
    <DIV class=3Dgmail_extra><BR></DIV>
    <DIV class=3Dgmail_extra>I wonder why?</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>I asked Jeff @ Advanced Distributors that very same "why" =
question just=20
  yesterday because I saw it on the website and thought this represented =
a new=20
  position for him.</DIV>
  <DIV>here is his response:</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>"RFI noise from plugs wires causes a misfire and I see it on the =
dyno.=20
  <BR>Put in points, gain power. Its a repetitive issue I see with =
insanely=20
  <BR>great regularity.<BR>Jeff"</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>It so happens that I own a chassis dyno and literally less than =
an hour=20
  ago had a customer TR6 on the dyno with a distributor rebuild by =
Advanced=20
  Distributors with a Pertronix ignitor in it. The car makes really good =
power=20
  and has no miss anywhere in the power band and has a nearly flat =
air/fuel=20
  curve. Time is money around here, so there is no way I'm going to put =
points=20
  in this distributor to test Jeff's claim - this car runs great, so its =
going=20
  home with the pertronix in it.&nbsp;&nbsp;We have had many TR6s on =
this dyno -=20
  only a few with Pertronix in them, but I have seen no evidence of =
misfire in=20
  any of them </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>There are many "experts" in our hobby. Some may be wrong, but =
none are in=20
  doubt.&nbsp; ;-)</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
  <DIV>Jack Mc</DIV></FONT>
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From: davehogye <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 13:31:57 +0000 (UTC)

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Pete, 
The best think you can do regarding british distributors is contact Jeff at Advanced Distributors. His rebuilds cost around $120 and it will be better than anything you can buy new or rebuilt by someone else. Just check out his customer testimonials on the website. Jeff did mine to a jewel like quality and installed Pertronix for If I remember correctly, around $200. 

Dave H. 

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From: "Pete Ryner" <[email-masked]> 
To: "Triumph" <[email-masked]> 
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 1:37:25 PM 
Subject: Re: [TR] Distributor help UPDATE 

When all else fails, go back to the beginning and look at basics. Following that advise I took a minute and checked the engine SN only to find out that it is a TR4 engine. Must have been changed before my time years ago. Anyway that at least explains why it has a D25 distributor. Still no idea why the unusual distributor number. I did clean off the vacuum advance and found the part # 54411233 and advance numbers 5-11-7. TRF has a part with the same numbers but a different part # for a TR distributor. Now my dilemma. 
Do I purchase the unit, roughly $70, purchase a brand new distributor from them for roughly $100 (sure it is a knock off of unknown quality), or pick up the correct rebuilt distributor for around $200. 
Thanks for the inputs so far. 
Pete 

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #0000=
00"><div aria-label=3D"Compose body">Pete,</div><div aria-label=3D"Compose =
body">The best think you can do regarding british distributors is contact J=
eff at Advanced Distributors. &nbsp;His rebuilds cost around $120 and it wi=
ll be better than anything you can buy new or rebuilt by someone else. &nbs=
p;Just check out his customer testimonials on the website. &nbsp;Jeff did m=
ine to a jewel like quality and installed Pertronix for If I remember corre=
ctly, around $200.</div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><br></div><div ari=
a-label=3D"Compose body">Dave H.</div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr"><div =
style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:no=
ne;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style=
=3D"color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: <=
/b>"Pete Ryner" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>To: </b>"Triumph" &lt;triu=
[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, April 9, 2015 1:37:25 PM<=
br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [TR] Distributor help UPDATE<br><div><br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #=
000000" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Calibri'; color: #=
000000;"><div><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-F=
AMILY: &quot;Calibri&quot;; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE=
: normal; DISPLAY: inline" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: small; text-decorat=
ion: none; font-family: 'Calibri'; font-weight: normal; color: #000000; fon=
t-style: normal; display: inline;">When all else fails, go back to the begi=
nning and look at basics.&nbsp; Following that advise I took a minute and c=
hecked the engine SN only to find out that it is a TR4 engine.&nbsp; Must h=
ave been changed before my time years ago.&nbsp; Anyway that at least expla=
ins why it has a D25 distributor.&nbsp; Still no idea why the unusual distr=
ibutor number.&nbsp; I did clean off the vacuum advance and found the part =
# 54411233 and advance numbers 5-11-7.&nbsp; TRF has a part with the same n=
umbers but a different part # for a TR distributor.&nbsp; Now my dilemma.&n=
bsp;</div></div><div><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none;=
 FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Calibri&quot;; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FON=
T-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: small; text-=
decoration: none; font-family: 'Calibri'; font-weight: normal; color: #0000=
00; font-style: normal; display: inline;">Do I purchase the unit, roughly $=
70, purchase a brand new distributor from them for roughly $100 (sure it is=
 a knock off of unknown quality), or pick up the correct rebuilt distributo=
r for around $200.</div></div><div><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DEC=
ORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Calibri&quot;; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR=
: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline" data-mce-style=3D"font-size=
: small; text-decoration: none; font-family: 'Calibri'; font-weight: normal=
; color: #000000; font-style: normal; display: inline;">Thanks for the inpu=
ts so far.</div></div><div><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION:=
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From: "dave n" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 08:53:19 -0500

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my tr6 runs great!  pertronix and all.  using a dizzy, which, btw, he =
rebuilt some years ago

Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 1:36 PM

In a message dated 4/9/2015 12:26:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =
[email-masked] writes:
  Interesting that he says " I WILL NOT install a Pertronix in a TR6 and =
will do everything in my power to talk you into using points!!!"

  I wonder why?

I asked Jeff @ Advanced Distributors that very same "why" question just =
yesterday because I saw it on the website and thought this represented a =
new position for him.
here is his response:

"RFI noise from plugs wires causes a misfire and I see it on the dyno.=20
Put in points, gain power. Its a repetitive issue I see with insanely=20
great regularity.
Jeff"

It so happens that I own a chassis dyno and literally less than an hour =

Cheers,
Jack Mc
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<DIV>my tr6 runs great!&nbsp; pertronix and all.&nbsp; using a dizzy, =
which,=20
btw, he rebuilt some years ago</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 9, 2015 1:36 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [TR] Distributor help</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'><FONT=20
id=3Drole_document color=3D#000000 size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 4/9/2015 12:26:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20
[email-masked] writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px =
solid"><FONT=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=3D#000000 size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_extra>Interesting that he says " I WILL NOT install =
a=20
  Pertronix in a TR6 and will do everything in my power to talk you into =
using=20
  points!!!"</DIV>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_extra>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_extra>I wonder why?</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I asked Jeff @ Advanced Distributors that very same "why" question =
just=20
yesterday because I saw it on the website and thought this represented a =
new=20
position for him.</DIV>
<DIV>here is his response:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>"RFI noise from plugs wires causes a misfire and I see it on the =
dyno.=20
<BR>Put in points, gain power. Its a repetitive issue I see with =
insanely=20
<BR>great regularity.<BR>Jeff"</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>It so happens that I own a chassis dyno and literally less than an =
hour ago=20
had a customer TR6 on the dyno with a distributor rebuild by Advanced=20
Distributors with a Pertronix ignitor in it. The car makes really good =
power and=20
has no miss anywhere in the power band and has a nearly flat air/fuel =
curve.=20
Time is money around here, so there is no way I'm going to put points in =
this=20
distributor to test Jeff's claim - this car runs great, so its going =
home with=20
the pertronix in it.&nbsp; We have had many TR6s on this dyno - only a =
few with=20
Pertronix in them, but I have seen no evidence of misfire in any of them =
</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>There are many "experts" in our hobby. Some may be wrong, but none =
are in=20
doubt.&nbsp; ;-)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV>Jack Mc</FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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From: "John Macartney" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 17:38:41 +0100

This an interesting thread and one which will have strong advocates for both
electronic ignition and points/condenser set-ups. Though I no longer have a
classic car, I did have major issues with the 2000 and 2500 injection
saloons I owned ten years ago. Both came to me with Lumenition set-ups and I
never did get either car to run as I wanted. It was clear that both dizzy's
were worn and for all I knew at the time, both may have had incorrect units
fitted by previous owners. The only thing to do was to have them properly
rebuilt and I used an old ex-Lucas guy here in the UK to do the work. He did
a superb job fitting new springs and bushes, new vacuum chamber, points,
condenser, rotor and cap. They were both fitted to their respective cars,
the points removed and the Lumenitions re-connected.
The acid test of seeing how they performed showed no real difference and
initially I felt I'd wasted my money. After all, electronic ignition was the
way to go, wasn't it? Much extended life, no points to fiddle with and
constant performance.
Well, not in my case.
In the end, I thought I'd experiment and go back to points and condenser on
the 2000 - and what a difference! It was so convincing, I did the 2500 as
well with the same much improved result. I'm not being critical of
Lumenition but I was convinced as far as my two cars were concerned that
points and condenser was the better alternative. Okay, points need cleaning
and re-setting from time to time but I did this each year when I did a
top-end service on valve clearances and carb/metering unit adjustments and
never had to touch them between times. In any case, cleaning the points on
an oilstone was fun and all part of the pleasure of ownership. It also had
the added advantage that if I did have an ignition failure during fair
weather months, there were always two spare sets of points and condensors in
the glove box and a timing light and tools in the toolbox. It was also a
much cheaper way of sorting out ignition issues than buying a costly module!
I then did the same thing on 'Daisy' my Ferguson tractor and although she
didn't have any sort of electronic set-up, she ran far more happily after a
rebuilt dizzy went on. Mind you, at the time I took the dizzy out, the shaft
did run in a rather elliptical fashion - and the new one didn't. We both
celebrated by fitting a three furrow plough that winter for the local
ploughing competitions:)

Jonmac

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From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 17:13:54 +0000 (UTC)

One question I forgot to ask.  Since the conversion is from either incandescent or Halogen bulbs, to LED's, does this mean the alternator conversion is no longer necessary?  Would the generator be able to keep up when headlights are not such a draw on power in cold weather night driving?

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
New Hampshire

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You may still want an alternator for other reasons but the draw on the LEDs
is low.

The high beams draw 2.6 amps (each) the low beams 1.8 amps (each).

I believe that low beam draw is about the same as a the 21 watt brake light
I use.

By way of contrast, a 60/55 H4 halogen drew 5.3 amps and 4.6 amps.

I will note that (based on feedback from fellow drivers this past week)
using the LEDs as daytime running lights may be less effective than some
other sources including the original incandescent.  The old style has a
yellow tone that shows well in sunlight, the LEDs (while quite bright) have
a very white tone that gets somewhat lost amid gleaming chrome and other
reflections & glare in bright sunlight.

Geo

On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 10:13 AM, <[email-masked]> wrote:

> One question I forgot to ask.  Since the conversion is from either
> incandescent or Halogen bulbs, to LED's, does this mean the alternator
> conversion is no longer necessary?  Would the generator be able to keep up
> when headlights are not such a draw on power in cold weather night driving?
>
> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
> New Hampshire
>
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he original incandescent.=C2=A0 The old style has a yellow tone that shows =
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From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 15:10:18 +0000 (UTC)

Oboy.  I deleted Randall's links to the LED headight conversion for both the bulb and the glass receptacle.  Now can't find it in archives or an internet search.

Anybody have it that particular e-mail they could forward?

Sorry to have to ask!

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
New Hampshire

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From: "Geo Hahn" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
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Subject: Re: [TR] Randall's Headlight Conversion

You may still want an alternator for other reasons but the draw on the LEDs is low. 

I believe that low beam draw is about the same as a the 21 watt brake light I use. 

I will note that (based on feedback from fellow drivers this past week) using the LEDs as daytime running lights may be less effective than some other sources including the original incandescent. The old style has a yellow tone that shows well in sunlight, the LEDs (while quite bright) have a very white tone that gets somewhat lost amid gleaming chrome and other reflections & glare in bright sunlight. 

Geo 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 10:13 AM, < [email-masked] > wrote: 

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A 
New Hampshire

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From: Brad Kahler <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 11:51:56 -0400

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Here ya go.

I've already received the lamps from the BusDepot and currently waiting on
delivery from the ebay bulb seller.

Brad

> This may have been covered already and I missed it, but
> searched archives and can't find it....but an LED headlight
> conversion sounds fascinating.  I don't see them at Moss or
> TRF. Where did you find them?

I bought Hella H4 headlight conversions from BusDepot.com (who have a great
deal on them at the moment)
http://www.busdepot.com/0301600118

Plus 30 watt LED H4 inserts from eBay, like these
http://tinyurl.com/nwxm7w2

There are lots of choices available there and I can't say for sure that
these are any better or worse than others.  But I liked the
fan idea (LEDs are very sensitive to heat and keeping them cool will make
them last longer) and felt they were worth trying.

Installation was straightforward, the only change was that I had to bend
the retaining clips (for the H4 inserts) a bit to fit them
around the heat sink.  And it took a certain amount of dexterity to get the
ballast to lay flat inside the TR headlight bucket while
putting the bulb assembly in place.  Otherwise they went right in, with no
other alterations.

-- Randall

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)=
;font-size:12.8000001907349px">Here ya go.</span></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></=
span></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-=
size:12.8000001907349px">I&#39;ve already received the lamps from the BusDe=
pot and currently waiting on delivery from the ebay bulb seller.</span></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8=
000001907349px"><br></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><span style=3D"=
color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px">Brad</span></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349=
px"><br></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,=
0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
ra"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px">&gt; This=
 may have been covered already and I missed it, but</span><br style=3D"colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);=
font-size:12.8000001907349px">&gt; searched archives and can&#39;t find it.=
...but an LED headlight</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.80=
00001907349px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px=
">&gt; conversion sounds fascinating.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t see them at Moss or=
</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px">&gt; TRF. Where did y=
ou find them?</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.800000190734=
9px"><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px">I bought Hella H4 headl=
ight conversions from BusDepot.com (who have a great deal on them at the mo=
ment)</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px"><a =
href=3D"http://www.busdepot.com/0301600118" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font=
-size:12.8000001907349px">http://www.busdepot.com/0301600118</a><br style=
=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br style=3D"color:rgb(0=
,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-si=
ze:12.8000001907349px">Plus 30 watt LED H4 inserts from eBay, like these</s=
pan><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px"><a href=3D"=
http://tinyurl.com/nwxm7w2" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-size:12.8000001=
907349px">http://tinyurl.com/nwxm7w2</a><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-=
size:12.8000001907349px"><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001=
907349px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px">The=
re are lots of choices available there and I can&#39;t say for sure that th=
ese are any better or worse than others.=C2=A0 But I liked the</span><br st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style=3D"color:=
rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px">fan idea (LEDs are very sensitive =
to heat and keeping them cool will make them last longer) and felt they wer=
e worth trying.</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907=
349px"><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px">Installation was stra=
ightforward, the only change was that I had to bend the retaining clips (fo=
r the H4 inserts) a bit to fit them</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);fon=
t-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.800=
0001907349px">around the heat sink.=C2=A0 And it took a certain amount of d=
exterity to get the ballast to lay flat inside the TR headlight bucket whil=
e</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px">putting the bulb ass=
embly in place.=C2=A0 Otherwise they went right in, with no other alteratio=
ns.</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style=3D"color=
:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px">-- Randall</span><br style=3D"col=
or:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);f=
ont-size:12.8000001907349px"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div></div></d=
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