Subject: Re: [TR] Fuel Pump Bolt

From: "Dave Connitt" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 17:16:31 -0400

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Dave,
That rear bolt is a PIA to remove. I ended up cutting a 1/2" combination =
wrench in half and was able to just barely get the nut off. I think you =
can buy short combination wrenches if you don't want to sacrifice a =
normal size wrench.
Dave Connitt
'67 TR4A IRS
http://www.davestr4a.com

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: David Friedlander=20
  To: [email-masked] ; TR3 Triumphs=20
  Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 6:22 PM
  Subject: [TR] Fuel Pump Bolt

  Hey all;

  I'm sure (?) there an easy answer here but HOW does one remove the =
rear bolt to=20
  the AC mechanical fuel pump? At least on the TR3, it's all I can do to =
SEE the bolt
  much less loosen it! Front bolt is out, no problem but it seems the =
boys at Triumph=20
  went out of their way to shield this one from access.=20

  Thanks for any insight...=20

  Dave Friedlander

  '59 TR3A

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Dave,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>That rear bolt is a PIA to remove. I ended up =
cutting a=20
1/2" combination wrench in half and was able to just barely get the nut =
off. I=20
think you can buy short combination wrenches if you don't want to =
sacrifice a=20
normal size wrench.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Dave Connitt</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>'67 TR4A IRS</FONT></DIV>
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  class=3Dgmail_default>I'm sure (?) there an easy answer here but HOW =
does one=20
  remove the rear bolt to <BR>the AC mechanical fuel pump? At least on =
the TR3,=20
  it's all I can do to SEE the bolt<BR>much less loosen it! Front bolt =
is out,=20
  no problem but it seems the boys at Triumph <BR>went out of their way =
to=20
  shield this one from access. <BR><BR></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,153)"=20
  class=3Dgmail_default>Thanks for any insight... <BR><BR></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif; COLOR: =
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  class=3Dgmail_default>Dave Friedlander<BR></DIV>
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From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 18:01:51 -0400

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To all those who suggested na 1/4" ratchet with an extension, thanks for
the chuckle. There are any number of obstacles in the way to have it merely
be that simple. Like the streering column support bracket, clutch lines,
speedo and tach cables, not to mention how tightly the bolt is tucked up
against the pump housing.

But, I am happy to report that I have now successfully removed the rear
bolt using a deep-well half-inch socket on a thin-profile 1/4" ratchet
wrench, approaching from the underside of the pump. Even then it was as
much by feel as by sight. Thanks to all who had insightful suggestions and
kudos to Stan and Joe DeMuth for some key insights.

I am in the process now of removing the driver's side front fender. The
captive nuts holding the bolts are not at all 'captivating.' The cages lets
them spin freely within. Goodbye cages!

Dave Friedlander

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Dave Connitt <[email-masked]> wrote:

>  Dave,
> That rear bolt is a PIA to remove. I ended up cutting a 1/2" combination
> wrench in half and was able to just barely get the nut off. I think you can
> buy short combination wrenches if you don't want to sacrifice a normal size
> wrench.
> Dave Connitt
> '67 TR4A IRS
> http://www.davestr4a.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
> *To:* [email-masked] ; TR3 Triumphs <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2015 6:22 PM
> *Subject:* [TR] Fuel Pump Bolt
>
>  Hey all;
>
> I'm sure (?) there an easy answer here but HOW does one remove the rear
> bolt to
> the AC mechanical fuel pump? At least on the TR3, it's all I can do to SEE
> the bolt
> much less loosen it! Front bolt is out, no problem but it seems the boys
> at Triumph
> went out of their way to shield this one from access.
>
> Thanks for any insight...
>
> Dave Friedlander
> '59 TR3A
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,153)">To all those who suggested na 1/4&quot=
; ratchet with an extension, thanks for the chuckle. There are any number o=
f obstacles in the way to have it merely be that simple. Like the streering=
 column support bracket, clutch lines, speedo and tach cables, not to menti=
on how tightly the bolt is tucked up against the pump housing. <br><br></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-seri=
f;color:rgb(0,0,153)">But, I am happy to report that I have now successfull=
y removed the rear bolt using a deep-well half-inch socket on a thin-profil=
e 1/4&quot; ratchet wrench, approaching from the underside of the pump. Eve=
n then it was as much by feel as by sight. Thanks to all who had insightful=
 suggestions and kudos to Stan and Joe DeMuth for some key insights.=C2=A0 =
<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans =
ms,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,153)">I am in the process now of removing the d=
river&#39;s side front fender. The captive nuts holding the bolts are not a=
t all &#39;captivating.&#39; The cages lets them spin freely within. Goodby=
e cages!<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:com=
ic sans ms,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,153)">Dave Friedlander<br></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;color:r=
gb(0,0,153)"><br><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Dave Connitt <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">dconnitt@f=
use.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

<div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<div><font face=3D"Arial">Dave,</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">That rear bolt is a PIA to remove. I ended up cut=
ting a=20
1/2&quot; combination wrench in half and was able to just barely get the nu=
t off. I=20
think you can buy short combination wrenches if you don&#39;t want to sacri=
fice a=20
normal size wrench.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">Dave Connitt</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">&#39;67 TR4A IRS</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial"><a href=3D"http://www.davestr4a.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://www.davestr4a.com</a></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
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  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b>=20
  <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">David=20
  Friedlander</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"net@newenglandtrium=
phs.org" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">net@n=
ewenglandtriumphs.org</a> ; <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">TR3=20
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  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 16, 2015 6:22=
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  PM</div>
  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [TR] Fuel Pump Bolt</div>
  <div><br></div>
  </span><div><div class=3D"h5"><div dir=3D"ltr">
  <div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:comic sans ms,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,153)" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default">Hey all;<br><br></div>
  <div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:comic sans ms,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,153)" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default">I&#39;m sure (?) there an easy answer here but HOW do=
es one=20
  remove the rear bolt to <br>the AC mechanical fuel pump? At least on the =
TR3,=20
  it&#39;s all I can do to SEE the bolt<br>much less loosen it! Front bolt =
is out,=20
  no problem but it seems the boys at Triumph <br>went out of their way to=
=20
  shield this one from access. <br><br></div>
  <div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:comic sans ms,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,153)" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default">Thanks for any insight... <br><br></div>
  <div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:comic sans ms,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,153)" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default">Dave Friedlander<br></div>
  <div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:comic sans ms,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,153)" cl=
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 15:34:06 -0700

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On 4/17/15 3:01 PM, David Friedlander wrote:
>
> I am in the process now of removing the driver's side front fender. 
> The captive nuts holding the bolts are not at all 'captivating.' The 
> cages lets them spin freely within. Goodbye cages!
If you can get a vice grip wrench clamped on the captive nut cage the 
tightly clamped wrench inhibits the thin sheet metal from deforming and 
increases your chances of getting the bolt off without damaging the cage.

When I had mine apart I ran a tap through the nuts before reassembly and 
used never seize on the new bolts before reassembly.  Any bolts that got 
reused also went through a die before reassembly.

I've R&Red my fuel pump a few times over the decades and I just don't 
remember it being that difficult of a job.  I wonder what I did?

TeriAnn

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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
          ms,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,153)">I am in the process now of
          removing the driver's side front fender. The captive nuts
          holding the bolts are not at all 'captivating.' The cages lets
          them spin freely within. Goodbye cages!<br>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    If you can get a vice grip wrench clamped on the captive nut cage
    the tightly clamped wrench inhibits the thin sheet metal from
    deforming and increases your chances of getting the bolt off without
    damaging the cage.<br>
    <br>
    When I had mine apart I ran a tap through the nuts before reassembly
    and used never seize on the new bolts before reassembly.  Any bolts
    that got reused also went through a die before reassembly.<br>
    <br>
    I've R&amp;Red my fuel pump a few times over the decades and I just
    don't remember it being that difficult of a job.  I wonder what I
    did?<br>
    <br>
    TeriAnn<br>
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