Subject: Re: [TR] Accessory power in +ground TR3

From: Chris Simo <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 18:24:35 -0400

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I went with a dc to dc converter before finally doing the so very simple
conversion to neg ground. It worked well for a long time until i wanted a
fancy high output stereo...

I tried the isolated power jack and it threw pretty sparks when my poorly
mounted radio fell over. If you try this out make sure you put a fuse in
both legs (belt and suspenders)

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<p>I went with a dc to dc converter before finally doing the so very simple=
 conversion to neg ground. It worked well for a long time until i wanted a =
fancy high output stereo...</p>
<p>I tried the isolated power jack and it threw pretty sparks when my poorl=
y mounted radio fell over. If you try this out make sure you put a fuse in =
both legs (belt and suspenders)=C2=A0 </p>

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From: "dave n" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 17:12:45 -0500

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interesting thought.  wouldn=E2=80=99t it be easier to just carry a =
battery charger, and charge your spare battery in the room each night?

or, for that matter, just get several batteries for your gadgets (you =
can get little battery supplements even for iphones) and charge =
everything at night?

honestly, I think you need to decide in which decade you want to live!

From: Carl TR=20
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 4:31 PM
To: [email-masked]=20
Subject: [TR] Accessory power in +ground TR3

Has anyone installed a second battery (-ground) to power accessories in =
a TR3?   I am planning a fairly lengthy road trip this summer and would =
like the benefits of GPS, phone charger, and maybe computer hookup.=20

=20

I am wondering if it is possible to create a completely closed wiring =
setup for that purpose using a smaller motorcycle or marine battery.  It =
would require charging periodically (or a trickle charger) and be =
completely insulated from the body/frame. =20

=20

What would I need between the battery and accessory outlets (besides a =
fuse box)? =20

=20

Any thoughts or suggestions?  (or is it even possible?)

Thanks

=20

Carl

1961 Triumph TR3A =E2=80=93 TS81802LO

http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/  - Verizon has discontinued the =
mysite URL.  Looking for a new home.

Tampa, FL

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<DIV>interesting thought.&nbsp; wouldn=E2=80=99t it be easier to just =
carry a battery=20
charger, and charge your spare battery in the room each night?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>or, for that matter, just get several batteries for your gadgets =
(you can=20
get little battery supplements even for iphones) and charge everything =
at=20
night?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>honestly, I think you need to decide in which decade you want to=20
live!</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Carl TR</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 12, 2015 4:31 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> =
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [TR] Accessory power in +ground =
TR3</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>Has anyone installed a second battery (-ground) to =
power=20
accessories in a TR3?&nbsp;&nbsp; I am planning a fairly lengthy road =
trip this=20
summer and would like the benefits of GPS, phone charger, and maybe =
computer=20
hookup. <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>I am wondering if it is possible to create a =
completely=20
closed wiring setup for that purpose using a smaller motorcycle or =
marine=20
battery.&nbsp; It would require charging periodically (or a trickle =
charger) and=20
be completely insulated from the body/frame.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>What would I need between the battery and accessory =
outlets=20
(besides a fuse box)?&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><IMG id=3DPicture_x0020_2=20
src=3D"cid:[email-masked]" width=3D1201=20
height=3D415><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Any thoughts or suggestions?&nbsp; (or is it even=20
possible?)<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
#1f497d">Carl<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d">1961 Triumph TR3A =
=E2=80=93=20
TS81802LO<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/&nbsp; - Verizon =
has=20
discontinued the mysite URL.&nbsp; Looking for a new =
home.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d">Tampa,=20
FL<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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From: "John Macartney" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 22:43:01 -0000

Maybe I haven't grabbed the concept here but if the plan is to run a GPS, phone charger or laptop - or two out of three at any one time, what's wrong with plugging in to a cigar lighter socket? I do it all the time with just three different leads relevant to what needs to be charged. Cigar lighters from Uncle Joe were available as approved accessories by Standard-Triumph as far back as the early 50's so that won't upset originality people. Ken Richardson always had one in his Works rally cars as he was rarely seen without a cigarette. Back to sleep now

Jonmac

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From: Chris Simo <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 09:53:31 -0400

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Here is an isolated receptacle I have in my TR2 (still positive ground both
leads fused.

 http://amzn.com/B000WEMH4G

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Randall <[email-masked]> wrote:

>  I assume you're talking about the case where the car is still positive
> ground?
>
> I'm sure it could be done.  Sure would be a lot simpler and easier (and
> less chance for disaster if east should meet west) to just convert the ca=
r
> to negative ground, though.
>
> There would be no need to completely isolate the secondary negative groun=
d
> system from the body (most radios have a ground path through the antenna
> mount anyway).  You could just connect the negative side of the secondary
> battery to ground.  There is also nothing needed at the point you have
> marked "regulator or control box", unless perhaps you want to put in a
> master switch or add a connector for the trickle charger.
>
> You could even setup an isolated DC-to-DC converter to charge the
> secondary battery from the main battery.  (And if it had enough capacity,
> even eliminate the battery entirely).
>
> Yet another option (though not one I would particularly recommend) is to
> just install outlets wired negative ground, isolated from the body.  As
> long as your computer, GPS, etc don't touch bare metal in any other way,
> that will work fine.  Watch out for the radio, though, many of them have
> paths to ground through both the case and the antenna, even if they do ha=
ve
> separate ground leads.
>
> -- Randall
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] *On Behalf Of *=
Carl
> TR
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:32 PM
> *To:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* [TR] Accessory power in +ground TR3
>
>  Has anyone installed a second battery (-ground) to power accessories in
> a TR3?   I am planning a fairly lengthy road trip this summer and would
> like the benefits of GPS, phone charger, and maybe computer hookup.
>
>
>
> I am wondering if it is possible to create a completely closed wiring
> setup for that purpose using a smaller motorcycle or marine battery.  It
> would require charging periodically (or a trickle charger) and be
> completely insulated from the body/frame.
>
>
>
> What would I need between the battery and accessory outlets (besides a
> fuse box)?
>
>
>
> http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/  - Verizon has discontinued the mysite
> URL.  Looking for a new home.
>
> Tampa, FL
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Here is an isolated receptacle I have in my TR2 (still pos=
itive ground both leads fused.<div><br></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(=
17,17,17);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">=C2=
=A0<a href=3D"http://amzn.com/B000WEMH4G">http://amzn.com/B000WEMH4G</a></s=
pan><br></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(17,17,17);font-family:Arial,san=
s-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"><br></span></div><div><img src=3D"=
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61vI%2BQ5Z2WL._SL1142_.jpg"><span sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(17,17,17);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-=
height:19px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(17,17,17);font-=
family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"><br></span></div><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar =
12, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Randall <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:TR3dri=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial=
">I assume you&#39;re talking about the case where the car is still=20
positive ground?</font></span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial=
"></font></span>=C2=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial=
">I&#39;m sure it could be done.=C2=A0 Sure would be a lot simpler=20
and easier (and less chance for disaster if east should meet west) to just=
=20
convert the car to negative ground, though.=C2=A0 </font></span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial=
"></font></span>=C2=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial=
">There would be no need to completely isolate the secondary=20
negative ground system from the body (most radios have a ground path throug=
h the=20
antenna mount anyway).=C2=A0 You could just connect the negative side of th=
e=20
secondary battery to ground.=C2=A0 There is also nothing needed at the poin=
t you=20
have marked &quot;regulator or control box&quot;, unless perhaps you want t=
o put in a=20
master switch or add a connector for the trickle charger.</font></span></di=
v>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial=
"></font></span>=C2=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial=
">You could even setup an isolated DC-to-DC converter to charge=20
the secondary battery from the main battery.=C2=A0 (And if it had enough=20
capacity, even eliminate the battery entirely).</font></span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial=
"></font></span>=C2=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial=
">Yet another option (though not one I would particularly=20
recommend) is to just install outlets wired negative ground, isolated from =
the=20
body.=C2=A0 As long as your computer, GPS, etc don&#39;t touch bare metal i=
n any=20
other way, that will work fine.=C2=A0 Watch out for the radio, though, many=
 of=20
them have paths to ground through both the case and the antenna, even if th=
ey do=20
have separate ground leads.</font></span></div>
<p><font>-- Randall </font></p>
<div>=C2=A0</div><br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#0000ff 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-=
LEFT:5px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px" dir=3D"ltr">
  <div dir=3D"ltr" lang=3D"en-us" align=3D"left">
  <hr>
  <font face=3D"Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Triumphs=20
  [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carl=20
  TR<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:32 PM<br><b>To:</b>=20
  <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Triumphs@aut=
ox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] Accessory power in +ground=20
  TR3<br></font><br></div>
  <div></div>
  <div>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Has anyone installed a second battery (-ground) to=
 power=20
  accessories in a TR3?=C2=A0=C2=A0 I am planning a fairly lengthy road tri=
p=20
  this summer and would like the benefits of GPS, phone charger, and maybe=
=20
  computer hookup. <u></u><u></u></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am wondering if it is possible to create a compl=
etely=20
  closed wiring setup for that purpose using a smaller motorcycle or marine=
=20
  battery.=C2=A0 It would require charging periodically (or a trickle charg=
er)=20
  and be completely insulated from the body/frame.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal">What would I need between the battery and accessor=
y outlets=20
  (besides a fuse box)?=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><img src=3D"cid:791454121@12032015-1550" width=3D"=
1201" height=3D"415"><u></u><u></u></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Any thoughts or suggestions?=C2=A0 (or is it even=
=20
  possible?)<u></u><u></u></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks<u></u><u></u></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR:#1f497d">Carl<u></u><u></u></=
span></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR:#1f497d">1961 Triumph TR3A =
=E2=80=93=20
  TS81802LO<u></u><u></u></span></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/" tar=
get=3D"_blank">http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/</a>=C2=A0 - Verizon has=
=20
  discontinued the mysite URL.=C2=A0 Looking for a new home.<u></u><u></u><=
/p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR:#1f497d">Tampa,=20
FL<u></u><u></u></span></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></blockquote></div>
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From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:43:21 +0000 (UTC)

I am in uncharted territory here.  Never dealt with differential issues before.  It's the one thing I didn't go through when I restored the TR3A a dozen years ago.  Car is TS 58667, so according to my manual has the later rear axle (changed at No 13046).  

Toward the end of last driving season, I'd been hearing mild clunking from the rear of the car when starting out from stop. Now looking into it, I have the car on jacks, turned the passenger tire, and got a little play, nothing too serious.  When I pulled the tires, though, and now turn the hub with the car in gear, the driveline does not engage at all.  The wheel spins freely but the pinion shaft does not try to turn.  

Any ideas where to start looking?

Terry Smith,
New Hampshire

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From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 08:37:52 -0500

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A friend of mine tried to do exactly what you want with his TR3 Carl=2C and=
 lost a GPS as a result of it.  Just handling the GPS =2C and having the ca=
se briefly touch metal was enough to fry everything.  For a car with tourin=
g needs and use of modern gadgets I'd suggest changing polarity for the tri=
p - you can always change it back it if you want to show the car with posit=
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Randy

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 modern gadgets I'd suggest changing polarity for the trip - you can always=
 change it back it if you want to show the car with positive ground.<br><br=
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