Subject: Re: [TR] Is it a TR4(A) or a Spridget?

From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 05:56:35 -0700

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It's a TR4 or 4A -- upon enlarging the scene I can see (among other things)
the gas cap in the middle of the rear deck.

Here's some info on Dagen H:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H

Seems the essence of the change took place in the span of 10 minutes!  The
special driving gloves (left one red, right one green) were a nice touch.

Too bad Sweden seems to be one of the few countries that never wanted to
rule the world -- one gets the feeling they might have made a pretty good
job of it.

Geo

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:32 AM, John Macartney <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> A friend sent me the attached pic of a scene when Sweden changed its rule
> of
> the road in the 1960's from driving on the left to driving on the right. Is
> that a TR on the RH side of the image? I always thought that when they did
> change the rule of the road that all traffic was banned for three days to
> allow the road signs to be altered. Maybe Bror Hultgren can advise - if he
> still inhabits this list.
>
> Jonmac
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>It&#39;s a TR4 or 4A -- upon enlarging the scene I ca=
n see (among other things) the gas cap in the middle of the rear deck.</div=
><div><br></div><div>Here&#39;s some info on Dagen H:=C2=A0 <a href=3D"http=
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H</a><=
/div><div><br></div><div>Seems the essence of the change took place in the =
span of 10 minutes!=C2=A0 The special driving=C2=A0gloves (left one red, ri=
ght one green) were a nice touch.</div><div><br></div><div>Too bad=C2=A0Swe=
den seems to be one of the few countries that never wanted to rule the worl=
d -- one gets the feeling they might have made a pretty good job of it.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Geo</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:32 AM, John Macartney <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex">A friend sent me the attached pic of a scene when Sweden ch=
anged its rule of<br>
the road in the 1960&#39;s from driving on the left to driving on the right=
. Is<br>
that a TR on the RH side of the image? I always thought that when they did<=
br>
change the rule of the road that all traffic was banned for three days to<b=
r>
allow the road signs to be altered. Maybe Bror Hultgren can advise - if he<=
br>
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From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 06:03:57 -0700

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Here's a blow-up of the detail.

The crowds appear to be taking photos and enjoying the 'show' as the
cars on the road execute what we used to call the 'student body left' play.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Here&#39;s a blow-up of the detail.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>The crowds appear to be taking photos and enjoying the &#39;show&#3=
9; as the cars=C2=A0on the road execute what we used to call the &#39;stude=
nt body left&#39; play.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:32 AM, John Macartney <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">A friend sent me the attached pic of a scene when Sweden chan=
ged its rule of<br>
the road in the 1960&#39;s from driving on the left to driving on the right=
. Is<br>
that a TR on the RH side of the image? I always thought that when they did<=
br>
change the rule of the road that all traffic was banned for three days to<b=
r>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 10:56:18 -0500

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:32 AM, John Macartney
<[email-masked]> wrote:
> I always thought that when they did
> allow the road signs to be altered.

Looking at this film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8DqAIyuR0Q  It
looks like lane markings and so forth were pre-painted.  According tot
he narration, it took place in aa span of a few minutes.

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From: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:04:11 +0000 (UTC)

Odd title for a Triumphs List e-mail, eh?

In my youth I was a Micky Spillane fan.  In junior high, one of the first "adult" novels I ever read was "The Girl Hunters."  Still ranks as lots of fun.

This weekend I watched a 1957 "My Gun is Quick."  During the scene where the deaf witness has been murdered, and Hammer follows the killer, there's a long series of shots if him tailling the suspect in heavy traffic on L.A. freeways.  Found myself looking at all those vintage cars on the road, original and unrestored, passing each other, making turns, totally candid.  And if you look close, you'll see a TR-2 smallmouth behind Hammer's car and pulling onto a freeway offramp.  

It wasn't a featured car, just one doing it's little TR-2 business and probably not even aware it was being filmed.

Just so cool.  

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
New Hampshire

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From: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:41:50 +0000 (UTC)

Question:  what's the benefit analysis of swapping original side drafts for weber carbs?

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
New Hampshire (where the impending snowstorm closed state offices where I work for the first time since 2002)

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From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 17:00:55 -0700

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Judging a book by its cover - one of my favorites (almost makes me wish I
had taken French).  Google translates the title as 'The Hatred that Lurks'.

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:04 PM, <[email-masked]> wrote:

> In my youth I was a Micky Spillane fan.  In junior high, one of the first
> "adult" novels I ever read was "The Girl Hunters."  Still ranks as lots of
> fun.
>
> This weekend I watched a 1957 "My Gun is Quick."  During the scene where
> the deaf witness has been murdered, and Hammer follows the killer, there's
> a long series of shots if him tailling the suspect in heavy traffic on L.A.
> freeways.  Found myself looking at all those vintage cars on the road,
> original and unrestored, passing each other, making turns, totally candid.
> And if you look close, you'll see a TR-2 smallmouth behind Hammer's car and
> pulling onto a freeway offramp.
>
> It wasn't a featured car, just one doing it's little TR-2 business and
> probably not even aware it was being filmed.
>
> Just so cool.
>
> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
> New Hampshire
>

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s &#39;The Hatred that Lurks&#39;.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:04 PM,  <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">terryrs@=
comcast.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
Odd title for a Triumphs List e-mail, eh?<br>
<br>
In my youth I was a Micky Spillane fan.=C2=A0 In junior high, one of the fi=
rst &quot;adult&quot; novels I ever read was &quot;The Girl Hunters.&quot;=
=C2=A0 Still ranks as lots of fun.<br>
<br>
This weekend I watched a 1957 &quot;My Gun is Quick.&quot;=C2=A0 During the=
 scene where the deaf witness has been murdered, and Hammer follows the kil=
ler, there&#39;s a long series of shots if him tailling the suspect in heav=
y traffic on L.A. freeways.=C2=A0 Found myself looking at all those vintage=
 cars on the road, original and unrestored, passing each other, making turn=
s, totally candid.=C2=A0 And if you look close, you&#39;ll see a TR-2 small=
mouth behind Hammer&#39;s car and pulling onto a freeway offramp.<br>
<br>
It wasn&#39;t a featured car, just one doing it&#39;s little TR-2 business =
and probably not even aware it was being filmed.<br>
<br>
Just so cool.<br>
<br>
Terry Smith, &#39;59 TR3A<br>
New Hampshire<br>
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From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 17:06:22 -0700

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As I recall, Kas said he could do better with the SUs.

Though with Webers comes the fun of getting them set-up about right, doing
a through maintenance if they sit for very long and swapping the jets when
you want to drive at altitude.

Re the last one -- I do a 1000 mile group drive each Fall and when the
route went over 9200' I offered an alternate route for the cars with
Webers.  They all opted for the low road.

Geo

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>As I recall, Kas said he could do better with the SUs=
.</div><div><br></div><div>Though with Webers comes the fun of getting them=
 set-up about=C2=A0right, doing a through maintenance if they sit for very =
long and swapping the jets when you want to drive at altitude.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Re the last one -- I do a 1000 mile group drive each Fall and =
when the route went over 9200&#39; I offered an alternate route for the car=
s with Webers.=C2=A0 They all opted for the low road.</div><div><br></div><=
div>Geo</div><div><div tabindex=3D"0" id=3D":72"><img src=3D"https://ssl.gs=
tatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif"></div></div><div class=3D"g=
mail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:41 PM,=
  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-co=
lor:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">Questio=
n:=C2=A0 what&#39;s the benefit analysis of swapping original side drafts f=
or weber carbs?<br>
<br>
Terry Smith, &#39;59 TR3A<br>
New Hampshire (where the impending snowstorm closed state offices where I w=
ork for the first time since 2002)<br>
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From: "Greg Lemon" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 19:07:50 -0600

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That reminds me of a book "Floorburns" by John F. Carson, one of those =
book written towards the adolescent /teen audience about a you =
basketball player growing up on the wrong side of the tracks.  Anyway, =
although there isn't a TR4 on the cover, I believe his coach has a TR4, =
or 4A, and he give the kid a ride or even loans it to him, and the kid =
goes on about how he thinks it would be great to have a car like that =
some day, how it is so good looking, has great acceleration, sound, and =
handling, and, he really aspires to having something so nice someday.  =
Kind of cool.

Greg Lemon

From: Geo Hahn=20
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 6:00 PM
To: [email-masked]=20
Cc: Triumphs=20
Subject: Re: [TR] My Gun Is Quick

Judging a book by its cover - one of my favorites (almost makes me wish =
I had taken French).  Google translates the title as 'The Hatred that =
Lurks'.

  In my youth I was a Micky Spillane fan.  In junior high, one of the =
first "adult" novels I ever read was "The Girl Hunters."  Still ranks as =
lots of fun.

  This weekend I watched a 1957 "My Gun is Quick."  During the scene =
where the deaf witness has been murdered, and Hammer follows the killer, =
there's a long series of shots if him tailling the suspect in heavy =
traffic on L.A. freeways.  Found myself looking at all those vintage =
cars on the road, original and unrestored, passing each other, making =
turns, totally candid.  And if you look close, you'll see a TR-2 =
smallmouth behind Hammer's car and pulling onto a freeway offramp.

  It wasn't a featured car, just one doing it's little TR-2 business and =
probably not even aware it was being filmed.

  Just so cool.

  Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
  New Hampshire

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Anyway,=20
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 26, 2015 6:00 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
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<DIV>Judging a book by its cover - one of my favorites (almost makes me =
wish I=20
had taken French).&nbsp; Google translates the title as 'The Hatred that =

Lurks'.</DIV></DIV>
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fun.<BR><BR>This=20
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where the=20
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a long=20
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  freeways.&nbsp; Found myself looking at all those vintage cars on the =
road,=20
  original and unrestored, passing each other, making turns, totally=20
  candid.&nbsp; And if you look close, you'll see a TR-2 smallmouth =
behind=20
  Hammer's car and pulling onto a freeway offramp.<BR><BR>It wasn't a =
featured=20
  car, just one doing it's little TR-2 business and probably not even =
aware it=20
  was being filmed.<BR><BR>Just so cool.<BR><BR>Terry Smith, '59 =
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 21:35:16 -0600

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I have read a bit about Webers, most books say when tested you get about =
the same HP out of an SU or Stromberg, but the Weber may be puts out a =
few more HP on a very highly developed engine, but not much difference =
in street driving.  Real world I think people like the difference in =
feel because the Weber has an accelerator pump that literally squirts =
fuel down the throat when you hit the throttle, and so it has a nice =
feeling of immediate power on tip in.

I would agree that for some people it is eye candy under the hood, but =
also I think there is a mindset of people who prefer the webers to =
"fiddly" SUs and Strombergs, unless you are really good, or lucky,  =
tuning can involve some trial and error, some people don=E2=80=99t like =
fiddly things, and Webers are more "set and forget" (although in reality =
if you get SUs right, they are too) even though the setting in the =
Webers can be a royal pain, as Randall mentioned.

I finally had a car with a Weber for a while, thought it was OK, still =
like my SUs, really a pretty nifty type carb, which gives a good =
combination of power, economy and reliability.

Oh yes, you will get worse gas mileage with your Weber, or at least most =
folks do.

Greg Lemon
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when=20
tested you get about the same HP out of an SU or Stromberg, but the =
Weber may be=20
puts out a few more HP on a very highly developed engine, but not much=20
difference in street driving.&nbsp; Real world I think people like the=20
difference in feel because the Weber has an accelerator pump that =
literally=20
squirts fuel down the throat when you hit the throttle, and so it has a =
nice=20
feeling of immediate power on tip in.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>I would agree that for some people it is eye =
candy under=20
the hood, but also I think there is a mindset of people who prefer the =
webers to=20
"fiddly" SUs and Strombergs, unless you are really good, or lucky, =
&nbsp;tuning=20
can involve some trial and error, some people don=E2=80=99t like fiddly =
things, and=20
Webers are more "set and forget" (although in reality if you get SUs =
right, they=20
are too) even though the setting in the Webers can be a royal pain, as =
Randall=20
mentioned.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>I finally had a car with a Weber for a while, =
thought it=20
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a good=20
combination of power, economy and reliability.</FONT></DIV>
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From: "John Macartney" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:01:37 -0000

Looking at the pic again in 'zoom' there's what appears to be another
Britmobile. On the left hand side with a guy standing immediately in front
of the LH tail-light is what looks like an Austin Vanden Plas Princess 4
litre R - the popular Austin barge with acres of leather and polished walnut
and powered by a Rolls Royce in-line 6 pot :)

Jonmac

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From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of John
Macartney
Sent: 26 January 2015 11:32
To: 'Triumphs'
Subject: [TR] Is it a TR4(A) or a Spridget?

A friend sent me the attached pic of a scene when Sweden changed its rule of

Jonmac

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