Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front Bump Stop Clearance?

From: Jay Laifman <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2026 16:33:03 -0700

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"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Gary,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I got my kit from Dan Richardson. &nbsp;Just beaut=
iful. &nbsp;And sooo much better than the self adjusting rears that didn=E2=80=
=99t.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Aug 15, 2026, at 2:25=E2=80=AFPM=
, Gary Winblad &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></di=
v><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>=
Terry,</div><div>I just remembered...</div><div>The shop manual is your frie=
nd.</div><div><br></div><div>See the alignment section, page 5 for the posit=
ion to put the gap gauge you can make (page 24).</div><div>That is for facto=
ry stock.&nbsp; My old original stock sagged springs are probably no where n=
ear correct.</div><div><br></div><div>Gary WInblad</div><div><br></div></div=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 10, 2026 at 10:42=E2=80=AFAM Jay &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I=E2=80=99ll add a twi=
st on this.&nbsp; I put the disc brake conversion on my Alpine.&nbsp; The ca=
liper is positioned such that if the rear compresses enough, the lip of the f=
rame above the rear end will hit the parking brake spring part of the calipe=
r before any stop is hit.&nbsp; I don=E2=80=99t know that I have ever hit su=
ch a bump that has caused anywhere near that kind of compression.&nbsp; But i=
t still makes me nervous.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve been debating adding a bigger s=
top inside the shock itself (the are Konis, which I think do have such stops=
), or rotating the caliper to a different position.&nbsp; The problem with t=
he different position is that the parking brake rod and cable will no longer=
 work.<div><br></div><div>Just a thought to add to the collective knowledge.=
<br><div><br></div><div><br id=3D"m_-466556242317216925lineBreakAtBeginningO=
fMessage"><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Aug 5, 2026, at 7:33=E2=
=80=AFPM, Gary Winblad &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varian=
t-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-in=
dent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decora=
tion:none"><div>Terry,</div><div>I bet Tom Hall could give you those answers=
.</div><div>My stock Tiger is lowered with ground down rubber spring pads an=
d stock sagged springs, don't think it ever bottoms.&nbsp; Might be due to t=
he shock setting.</div><div>Gary Winblad</div><div><br></div></div><br style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps=
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tr">On Wed, Aug 5, 2026 at 5:19=E2=80=AFPM Terry Packer via Tigers &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
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v><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:&quot;times new roman&quot;,&quot;ne=
w york&quot;,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div dir=3D"ltr">I'd like to invest=
igate whether intermittent contact with the rubber snubbers is adding firmne=
ss to the feel of my MkI's front suspension. Unfortunately guessing at the c=
ondition of the road springs by comparing tire clearances, ride heights, etc=
, is usually inconclusive because of car to car variables like wheel and tir=
e sizes.<br><br>So before disassembling anything I'd like to first do a quic=
k "look see". To that end, can anyone share the intended clearance between t=
he top of the stock rubber snubbers and their corresponding stop-pads on the=
 cross-member for a (mostly) stock Tiger with known good springs? A related q=
uestion is how much front wheel travel the Tiger design was intended to prov=
ide. I haven't see either of these dimensions in the Workshop Manual and eit=
her one might help inform whether a more invasive investigation is justified=
.<br><br>Thanks Much<br>Terry</div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"m_-46=
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From: Jay <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2026 21:54:52 -0700

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Here is a picture of Dan=E2=80=99s installation, using Saturn calipers.  =
This is not my car.  Note that I drew a line showing the contact point, =
where the frame lip could hit the parking brake return spring.

=EF=BF=BC

> On Aug 15, 2026, at 4:33=E2=80=AFPM, Jay Laifman =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Gary,
>=20
> I got my kit from Dan Richardson.  Just beautiful.  And sooo much =
better than the self adjusting rears that didn=E2=80=99t.=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> On Aug 15, 2026, at 2:25=E2=80=AFPM, Gary Winblad =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> Terry,
>> I just remembered...
>> The shop manual is your friend.
>>=20
>> See the alignment section, page 5 for the position to put the gap =
gauge you can make (page 24).
>> That is for factory stock.  My old original stock sagged springs are =
probably no where near correct.
>>=20
>> Gary WInblad
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2026 at 10:42=E2=80=AFAM Jay <[email-masked] =
>>> I=E2=80=99ll add a twist on this.  I put the disc brake conversion =
on my Alpine.  The caliper is positioned such that if the rear =
compresses enough, the lip of the frame above the rear end will hit the =
parking brake spring part of the caliper before any stop is hit.  I =
don=E2=80=99t know that I have ever hit such a bump that has caused =
anywhere near that kind of compression.  But it still makes me nervous.  =
I=E2=80=99ve been debating adding a bigger stop inside the shock itself =
(the are Konis, which I think do have such stops), or rotating the =
caliper to a different position.  The problem with the different =
position is that the parking brake rod and cable will no longer work.
>>>=20
>>> Just a thought to add to the collective knowledge.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> On Aug 5, 2026, at 7:33=E2=80=AFPM, Gary Winblad =
>>>>=20
>>>> Terry,
>>>> I bet Tom Hall could give you those answers.
>>>> My stock Tiger is lowered with ground down rubber spring pads and =
stock sagged springs, don't think it ever bottoms.  Might be due to the =
shock setting.
>>>> Gary Winblad
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2026 at 5:19=E2=80=AFPM Terry Packer via Tigers =
>>>>> I'd like to investigate whether intermittent contact with the =
rubber snubbers is adding firmness to the feel of my MkI's front =
suspension. Unfortunately guessing at the condition of the road springs =
by comparing tire clearances, ride heights, etc, is usually inconclusive =
because of car to car variables like wheel and tire sizes.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> So before disassembling anything I'd like to first do a quick =
"look see". To that end, can anyone share the intended clearance between =
the top of the stock rubber snubbers and their corresponding stop-pads =
on the cross-member for a (mostly) stock Tiger with known good springs? =
A related question is how much front wheel travel the Tiger design was =
intended to provide. I haven't see either of these dimensions in the =
Workshop Manual and either one might help inform whether a more invasive =
investigation is justified.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Thanks Much
>>>>> Terry
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Here is a =
picture of Dan=E2=80=99s installation, using Saturn calipers. &nbsp;This =
is not my car. &nbsp;Note that I drew a line showing the contact point, =
where the frame lip could hit the parking brake return =
spring.<div><br></div><div><img id=3D"<ii_ljnhi1tu0>" alt=3D"image.png" =
class=3D"Apple-web-attachment" =
src=3D"cid:4256A54C-CD64-4B37-9F04-7DB9D77275E7" style=3D"opacity: 1;" =
width=3D"552"><br =
id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Aug 15, 2026, at 4:33=E2=80=AFPM, Jay Laifman =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type"=
 content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div dir=3D"auto"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Gary,</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I got my kit from Dan Richardson. =
&nbsp;Just beautiful. &nbsp;And sooo much better than the self adjusting =
rears that didn=E2=80=99t.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On =
Aug 15, 2026, at 2:25=E2=80=AFPM, Gary Winblad =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; =
wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Terry,</div><div>I just =
remembered...</div><div>The shop manual is your =
friend.</div><div><br></div><div>See the alignment section, page 5 for =
the position to put the gap gauge you can make (page 24).</div><div>That =
is for factory stock.&nbsp; My old original stock sagged springs are =
probably no where near correct.</div><div><br></div><div>Gary =
WInblad</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote =
gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug =
10, 2026 at 10:42=E2=80=AFAM Jay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I=E2=80=99ll add a twist on =
this.&nbsp; I put the disc brake conversion on my Alpine.&nbsp; The =
caliper is positioned such that if the rear compresses enough, the lip =
of the frame above the rear end will hit the parking brake spring part =
of the caliper before any stop is hit.&nbsp; I don=E2=80=99t know that I =
have ever hit such a bump that has caused anywhere near that kind of =
compression.&nbsp; But it still makes me nervous.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve =
been debating adding a bigger stop inside the shock itself (the are =
Konis, which I think do have such stops), or rotating the caliper to a =
different position.&nbsp; The problem with the different position is =
that the parking brake rod and cable will no longer =
work.<div><br></div><div>Just a thought to add to the collective =
knowledge.<br><div><br></div><div><br =
id=3D"m_-466556242317216925lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite"><div>On Aug 5, 2026, at 7:33=E2=80=AFPM, Gary Winblad =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none"><div>Terry,</div><div>I bet Tom Hall could give you =
those answers.</div><div>My stock Tiger is lowered with ground down =
rubber spring pads and stock sagged springs, don't think it ever =
bottoms.&nbsp; Might be due to the shock setting.</div><div>Gary =
Winblad</div><div><br></div></div><br =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none"><div class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 5, =
2026 at 5:19=E2=80=AFPM Terry Packer via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;times new roman&quot;,&quot;new =
york&quot;,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div dir=3D"ltr">I'd like to =
investigate whether intermittent contact with the rubber snubbers is =
adding firmness to the feel of my MkI's front suspension. Unfortunately =
guessing at the condition of the road springs by comparing tire =
clearances, ride heights, etc, is usually inconclusive because of car to =
car variables like wheel and tire sizes.<br><br>So before disassembling =
anything I'd like to first do a quick "look see". To that end, can =
anyone share the intended clearance between the top of the stock rubber =
snubbers and their corresponding stop-pads on the cross-member for a =
(mostly) stock Tiger with known good springs? A related question is how =
much front wheel travel the Tiger design was intended to provide. I =
haven't see either of these dimensions in the Workshop Manual and either =
one might help inform whether a more invasive investigation is =
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