Subject: [Tigers] Don's suggestions : Temp Gauge Reading High

From: Donald Antilla via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 22:38:57 +0000

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A high reading indicates there is a higher current flowing through
the gauge,  so a poor connection is unlikely.  Is your tank near empty or
full?  A bad regulator might make less of a difference if the gauge is near
empty.

The voltage regulator gets its ground through it's mounting screw.  It
would not be a first if there's a bit of corrosion under there.  In a quiet
place, turn on the key, don't start it, and you should be able to hear the
stock voltage regulator ticking away..

For some more hints, here's a link to my old article on gauge
troubleshooting.

TigersUnited.com
<http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/BrennanGauge/rt-BrennanGauge1.asp>

Both gauges have the same innards, so you can swap leads and see what
happens with the pointer angles.

Stu

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>
> Hey all =E2=80=93
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>
>
> It=E2=80=99s been quiet here so hoping to T-up an easy discussion.
>
>
>
> My temp gauge is reading about 25 degrees high.   I noticed it after a
> shop installed a new clutch, which required the engine to be removed,
> coolant drained, etc., but nothing that should have affected how the gaug=
e
> reads.  Running on a cool day, temps were reading around 215-220 degrees.
> To ensure I wasn=E2=80=99t actually in danger of overheating, I checked v=
arious
> water-cooled locations with an infrared thermometer.   Highest reading wa=
s
> right at the water neck/thermostat housing (191 deg F).   The fuel gauge =
is
> reading accurately.  I understand the under-dash instrument stabilizer ca=
n
> affect both instruments, but in this case, only one gauge is off.  I plan
> to check the ground to the temp gauge and clean contact points at the
> engine sending unit and at the gauge.   Any other suggestions?
>
>
>
> Thanks and I hope all is well out there!
>
>
>
> Graham Harlowe
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> B382001466
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-size:small">A high reading indicates there is a higher current flowing th=
rough the=C2=A0gauge,=C2=A0 so a poor connection is unlikely.=C2=A0 Is your=
 tank near empty or full?=C2=A0 A bad regulator might make less of a differ=
ence if the gauge is near empty.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size=
:small">The voltage regulator gets its ground through it&#39;s mounting scr=
ew.=C2=A0 It would not be a first if there&#39;s a bit of corrosion under t=
here.=C2=A0 In a quiet place, turn on the key, don&#39;t start it, and you =
should be able to hear the=C2=A0 stock voltage regulator ticking away..</di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">For some more hints, here&#3=
9;s a link to my old article on gauge troubleshooting.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><a href=3D"http://www.tigersunite=
d.com/techtips/BrennanGauge/rt-BrennanGauge1.asp">TigersUnited.com</a></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Both gauges have the same inn=
ards, so you can swap leads and see what happens with the pointer angles.=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><=
br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Stu</div></=
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ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 5:57=E2=80=AFPM gharlowe-=
-- via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
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p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt">Hey all =E2=
=80=93<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:11pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11pt">It=E2=80=99s been quiet here so hoping to T-up an easy =
discussion.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:11pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:11pt">My temp gauge is reading about 25 degrees h=
igh.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I noticed it after a shop installed a new clutch, which re=
quired the engine to be removed, coolant drained, etc., but nothing that sh=
ould have affected how the gauge reads.=C2=A0 Running on a cool day, temps =
were reading around 215-220 degrees.=C2=A0 To ensure I wasn=E2=80=99t actua=
lly in danger of overheating, I checked various water-cooled locations with=
 an infrared thermometer.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Highest reading was right at the wate=
r neck/thermostat housing (191 deg F).=C2=A0=C2=A0 The fuel gauge is readin=
g accurately.=C2=A0 I understand the under-dash instrument stabilizer can a=
ffect both instruments, but in this case, only one gauge is off.=C2=A0 I pl=
an to check the ground to the temp gauge and clean contact points at the en=
gine sending unit and at the gauge.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Any other suggestions?=C2=
=A0 <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:11pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11pt">Thanks and I hope all is well out there!<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt">=
Graham Harlowe<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11pt">B382001466<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>________=
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Try bleeding the air out through the temp sender. Sometimes when we use ada=
pters etc it raises the sender enough that it is in an air pocket. I always=
 bleed the air out through the sender after I have driven the car a little.

Good luck
Lynn

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From: Tigers <[email-masked]> on behalf of gharlowe--- via T=
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Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2025 3:21:53 PM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Tigers] Temp Gauge Reading High

Hey all =96

It=92s been quiet here so hoping to T-up an easy discussion.

My temp gauge is reading about 25 degrees high.   I noticed it after a shop=
 installed a new clutch, which required the engine to be removed, coolant d=
rained, etc., but nothing that should have affected how the gauge reads.  R=
unning on a cool day, temps were reading around 215-220 degrees.  To ensure=
 I wasn=92t actually in danger of overheating, I checked various water-cool=
ed locations with an infrared thermometer.   Highest reading was right at t=
he water neck/thermostat housing (191 deg F).   The fuel gauge is reading a=
ccurately.  I understand the under-dash instrument stabilizer can affect bo=
th instruments, but in this case, only one gauge is off.  I plan to check t=
he ground to the temp gauge and clean contact points at the engine sending =
unit and at the gauge.   Any other suggestions?

Graham Harlowe

B382001466

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led a new clutch, which required the engine to be removed, coolant drained,=
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p; I understand the under-dash instrument stabilizer can affect both instru=
ments, but in this case, only one gauge is off.&nbsp; I plan to check the g=
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Thanks Don.   The Ground needs a good Ground.   =E2=80=93 G.

=20

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From: Donald Antilla <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2025 6:39 PM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Don's suggestions : [Tigers] Temp Gauge Reading High

=20

I suggest you check to see if your engine is well-grounded to the =
=E2=80=9Cground=E2=80=9D side of your battery ,and to your gauge.=20

Perhaps the ground continuity was altered during the engine work.

Also, on my Griffith Series 200 I encountered an odd problem with my =
fuel gauge not reading correctly.

Peter Bayer (Nisonger Instruments) helped solve it::: I had to assure =
that I had a solid ground to the case of the fuel gasuge itself.

=20

S|UMMARY: Check all of your ground paths.

Hope this helps.

Don Antilla

=20

From: Tigers <[email-masked] =
Date: Thursday, August 21, 2025 at 5:48=E2=80=AFPM
Subject: [Tigers] Temp Gauge Reading High

=20

Hey all =E2=80=93

=20

It=E2=80=99s been quiet here so hoping to T-up an easy discussion. =20

=20

My temp gauge is reading about 25 degrees high.   I noticed it after a =
shop installed a new clutch, which required the engine to be removed, =
coolant drained, etc., but nothing that should have affected how the =
gauge reads.  Running on a cool day, temps were reading around 215-220 =
degrees.  To ensure I wasn=E2=80=99t actually in danger of overheating, =
I checked various water-cooled locations with an infrared thermometer.   =
Highest reading was right at the water neck/thermostat housing (191 deg =
F).   The fuel gauge is reading accurately.  I understand the under-dash =
instrument stabilizer can affect both instruments, but in this case, =
only one gauge is off.  I plan to check the ground to the temp gauge and =
clean contact points at the engine sending unit and at the gauge.   Any =
other suggestions? =20

=20

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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Thanks =
Don.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The Ground needs a good Ground.=C2=A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=93 =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> Donald Antilla &lt;[email-masked]&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 21, 2025 6:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]; [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Don's =
suggestions : [Tigers] Temp Gauge Reading =
High<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I suggest you =
check to see if your engine is well-grounded to the =
=E2=80=9Cground=E2=80=9D side of your battery ,and to your gauge. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Perhaps the =
ground continuity was altered during the engine =
work.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Also, on my =
Griffith Series 200 I encountered an odd problem with my fuel gauge not =
reading correctly.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Peter Bayer =
(Nisonger Instruments) helped solve it::: I had to assure that I had a =
solid ground to the case of the fuel gasuge =
itself.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>S|UMMARY: =
Check all of your ground paths.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Hope this =
helps.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Don =
Antilla<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><div id=3Dmail-editor-reference-message-container><div><div =
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black'>Fro=
m: </span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black'>Tig=
ers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a>&gt; on behalf of gharlowe--- via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Date: </b>Thursday, August 21, 2025 at 5:48</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>=E2=
=80=AF</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black'>PM<=
br><b>To: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Subject: </b>[Tigers] Temp Gauge Reading =
High<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Hey all =
=E2=80=93</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>It=E2=80=99s been =
quiet here so hoping to T-up an easy discussion.&nbsp; </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>My temp gauge is =
reading about 25 degrees high.&nbsp; &nbsp;I noticed it after a shop =
installed a new clutch, which required the engine to be removed, coolant =
drained, etc., but nothing that should have affected how the gauge =
reads.&nbsp; Running on a cool day, temps were reading around 215-220 =
degrees.&nbsp; To ensure I wasn=E2=80=99t actually in danger of =
overheating, I checked various water-cooled locations with an infrared =
thermometer.&nbsp;&nbsp; Highest reading was right at the water =
neck/thermostat housing (191 deg F).&nbsp;&nbsp; The fuel gauge is =
reading accurately.&nbsp; I understand the under-dash instrument =
stabilizer can affect both instruments, but in this case, only one gauge =
is off.&nbsp; I plan to check the ground to the temp gauge and clean =
contact points at the engine sending unit and at the gauge.&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Any other suggestions?&nbsp; </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Thanks and I hope all =
is well out there!</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Graham =
Harlowe</span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>B382001466</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div>=
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No, the Smiths type does not require the case be grounded... except for the
night light.

The two terminals are
1.  about 10V (pulsed, 10V average from the regulator)
2. to the sensor which completes the circuit by going to ground.
And it doesn't matter which terminal is which..  Inside is a heating wire,
non-polaized.
Gary W.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2025 at 2:40=E2=80=AFPM Donald Antilla via Tigers <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Graham: Please pardon my ignorance, but will you let me know if you have =
a
> classic Smiths gauge setup, or a Ford type?
>
> My comment prior about grounding the case assumes you have a Smith=E2=80=
=99s type
> system. In that case, you do need to ground your indicator case or- as
> happened to me- you get flakey readings.
>
> Don
>
>
>
> *From: *Tigers <[email-masked]> on behalf of Stu <
> [email-masked]>
> *Date: *Thursday, August 21, 2025 at 7:37=E2=80=AFPM
> *To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> *Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tigers] Temp Gauge Reading High
>
> full?  A bad regulator might make less of a difference if the gauge is ne=
ar
> would not be a first if there's a bit of corrosion under there.  In a qui=
et
> place, turn on the key, don't start it, and you should be able to hear th=
e
e
arious
s
is
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>No, the Smiths type does not require the case be grou=
nded... except for the night light.</div><div><br></div><div>The two termin=
als are</div><div>1.=C2=A0 about 10V (pulsed, 10V average from the regulato=
r)</div><div>2. to the sensor which completes the circuit by going to groun=
d.</div><div>And it=C2=A0doesn&#39;t matter which terminal is which..=C2=A0=
 Inside is a heating wire, non-polaized.</div><div>Gary W.</div><div><br></=
div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 22, 2025 at 2:40=E2=80=AFPM Donald An=
tilla via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tigers@autox.=
team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div class=3D"msg4089556418688194260">

<div lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;">
<div class=3D"m_4089556418688194260WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:&quot;Aria=
l&quot;,sans-serif">Graham: Please pardon my ignorance, but will you let me=
 know if you have a classic Smiths gauge setup, or a Ford type?<u></u><u></=
u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:&quot;Aria=
l&quot;,sans-serif">My comment prior about grounding the case assumes you h=
ave a Smith=E2=80=99s type system. In that case, you do need to ground your=
 indicator case or- as happened to me- you get flakey
 readings.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:&quot;Aria=
l&quot;,sans-serif">Don
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:&quot;Aria=
l&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div id=3D"m_4089556418688194260mail-editor-reference-message-container">
<div>
<div style=3D"border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;b=
order-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentcolor currentcolor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><b><span style=3D"font-=
size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans=
-serif;color:black">Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of S=
tu &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">sabre2tgr@g=
mail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, August 21, 2025 at 7:37</span><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:12pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">=E2=80=AF</sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif;c=
olor:black">PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">gharlo=
[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tiger=
[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Temp Gauge Reading High<u></u><u></u></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">A high reading indica=
tes there is a higher current flowing through the=C2=A0gauge,=C2=A0 so a po=
or connection is unlikely.=C2=A0 Is your tank near empty or full?=C2=A0 A b=
ad regulator might make less of a difference if the gauge
 is near empty.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">The voltage regulator=
 gets its ground through it&#39;s mounting screw.=C2=A0 It would not be a f=
irst if there&#39;s a bit of corrosion under there.=C2=A0 In a quiet place,=
 turn on the key, don&#39;t start it, and you should be
 able to hear the=C2=A0 stock voltage regulator ticking away..<u></u><u></u=
></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">For some more hints, =
here&#39;s a link to my old article on gauge troubleshooting.=C2=A0=C2=A0<u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt"><a href=3D"http://www=
.tigersunited.com/techtips/BrennanGauge/rt-BrennanGauge1.asp" target=3D"_bl=
ank">TigersUnited.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Both gauges have the =
same innards, so you can swap leads and see what happens with the pointer a=
ngles.=C2=A0 =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Stu<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 5:57=E2=80=AFPM gharlowe--- =
via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">t=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:non=
e none none solid;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hey all =E2=80=93<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">It=E2=80=99s been quiet here so hoping to T-up an ea=
sy discussion.=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">My temp gauge is reading about 25 degrees high.=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0I noticed it after a shop installed a new clutch, which required =
the engine to be removed, coolant drained, etc., but nothing that
 should have affected how the gauge reads.=C2=A0 Running on a cool day, tem=
ps were reading around 215-220 degrees.=C2=A0 To ensure I wasn=E2=80=99t ac=
tually in danger of overheating, I checked various water-cooled locations w=
ith an infrared thermometer.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Highest reading was
 right at the water neck/thermostat housing (191 deg F).=C2=A0=C2=A0 The fu=
el gauge is reading accurately.=C2=A0 I understand the under-dash instrumen=
t stabilizer can affect both instruments, but in this case, only one gauge =
is off.=C2=A0 I plan to check the ground to the temp
 gauge and clean contact points at the engine sending unit and at the gauge=
.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Any other suggestions?=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks and I hope all is well out there!<u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Graham Harlowe<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">B382001466<u></u><u></u></p>
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=20

Standard Smiths gauge.   However, I=E2=80=99m running GM one-wire =
alternator, so not using the stock voltage regulator.   =E2=80=93 G.

=20

=20

From: Gary Winblad <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2025 5:47 PM
To: Donald Antilla <[email-masked]>
Cc: Stu <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Don's follow up comment Temp Gauge Reading High

=20

No, the Smiths type does not require the case be grounded... except for =
the night light.

=20

The two terminals are

And it doesn't matter which terminal is which..  Inside is a heating =
wire, non-polaized.

Gary W.

=20

=20

On Fri, Aug 22, 2025 at 2:40=E2=80=AFPM Donald Antilla via Tigers =

Graham: Please pardon my ignorance, but will you let me know if you have =
a classic Smiths gauge setup, or a Ford type?

My comment prior about grounding the case assumes you have a =
Smith=E2=80=99s type system. In that case, you do need to ground your =
indicator case or- as happened to me- you get flakey readings.

Don=20

=20

From: Tigers <[email-masked] =
Date: Thursday, August 21, 2025 at 7:37=E2=80=AFPM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Temp Gauge Reading High

A high reading indicates there is a higher current flowing through the =
gauge,  so a poor connection is unlikely.  Is your tank near empty or =
full?  A bad regulator might make less of a difference if the gauge is =
near empty.

=20

The voltage regulator gets its ground through it's mounting screw.  It =
would not be a first if there's a bit of corrosion under there.  In a =
quiet place, turn on the key, don't start it, and you should be able to =
hear the  stock voltage regulator ticking away..

=20

For some more hints, here's a link to my old article on gauge =
troubleshooting. =20

=20

TigersUnited.com =
<http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/BrennanGauge/rt-BrennanGauge1.asp> =

=20

Both gauges have the same innards, so you can swap leads and see what =
happens with the pointer angles.  =20

=20

Stu

=20

On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 5:57=E2=80=AFPM gharlowe--- via Tigers =

=20

Hey all =E2=80=93

=20

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Standard =
Smiths gauge.=C2=A0=C2=A0 However, I=E2=80=99m running GM one-wire =
alternator, so not using the stock voltage regulator.=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
=E2=80=93 G.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Gary Winblad &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, =
August 22, 2025 5:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> Donald Antilla =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Stu =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Don's follow up =
comment Temp Gauge Reading High<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>No, the Smiths type does not require the case be =
grounded... except for the night light.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The two terminals are<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>1.&nbsp; about 10V (pulsed, 10V average from the =
regulator)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>2. to the =
sensor which completes the circuit by going to =
ground.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>And =
it&nbsp;doesn't matter which terminal is which..&nbsp; Inside is a =
heating wire, non-polaized.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Gary W.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Fri, Aug 22, 2025 at 2:40<span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>=E2=80=AF</span>PM Donald =
Antilla via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Graham: Please =
pardon my ignorance, but will you let me know if you have a classic =
Smiths gauge setup, or a Ford type?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>My comment =
prior about grounding the case assumes you have a Smith=E2=80=99s type =
system. In that case, you do need to ground your indicator case or- as =
happened to me- you get flakey readings.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Don =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span><o=
:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3D"m_4089556418688194260mail-editor-reference-message-container"><div>=
<div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid windowtext =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor =
currentcolor'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span =
style=3D'color:black'>From: </span></b><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of Stu =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, =
August 21, 2025 at 7:37</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>=E2=80=AF</span><spa=
n style=3D'color:black'>PM<br><b>To: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: =
[Tigers] Temp Gauge Reading =
High</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>A high =
reading indicates there is a higher current flowing through =
the&nbsp;gauge,&nbsp; so a poor connection is unlikely.&nbsp; Is your =
tank near empty or full?&nbsp; A bad regulator might make less of a =
difference if the gauge is near empty.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The voltage =
regulator gets its ground through it's mounting screw.&nbsp; It would =
not be a first if there's a bit of corrosion under there.&nbsp; In a =
quiet place, turn on the key, don't start it, and you should be able to =
hear the&nbsp; stock voltage regulator ticking =
away..<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>For some =
more hints, here's a link to my old article on gauge =
troubleshooting.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/BrennanGauge/rt-BrennanGauge=
1.asp" =
target=3D"_blank">TigersUnited.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Both gauges =
have the same innards, so you can swap leads and see what happens with =
the pointer angles.&nbsp; &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Stu<o:p></o:=
p></p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Aug =
21, 2025 at 5:57<span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>=E2=80=AF</span>PM gharlowe--- =
via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in =
0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor =
rgb(204,204,204)'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hey all =
=E2=80=93<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>It=E2=80=99s=
 been quiet here so hoping to T-up an easy discussion.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>My temp =
gauge is reading about 25 degrees high.&nbsp; &nbsp;I noticed it after a =
shop installed a new clutch, which required the engine to be removed, =
coolant drained, etc., but nothing that should have affected how the =
gauge reads.&nbsp; Running on a cool day, temps were reading around =
215-220 degrees.&nbsp; To ensure I wasn=E2=80=99t actually in danger of =
overheating, I checked various water-cooled locations with an infrared =
thermometer.&nbsp;&nbsp; Highest reading was right at the water =
neck/thermostat housing (191 deg F).&nbsp;&nbsp; The fuel gauge is =
reading accurately.&nbsp; I understand the under-dash instrument =
stabilizer can affect both instruments, but in this case, only one gauge =
is off.&nbsp; I plan to check the ground to the temp gauge and clean =
contact points at the engine sending unit and at the gauge.&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Any other suggestions?&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks and =
I hope all is well out there!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Graham =
Harlowe<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>B382001466<o=
:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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No, there's a separate voltage regulator for the fuel and temp gauges,
located just behind the instruments.  It switches the 12V on and off so
that it averages out to be about 10V.  This switching is the ticking I
mentioned.  Try to read this voltage with an old style analog meter and the
pointer will be jumping around.  A digital meter will go nuts.  This
assumes, of course, that a previous owner didn't replace the stock panel
voltage regulator with an electronic one.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2025 at 9:26=E2=80=AFPM <[email-masked]> wrote:

>
>
> Standard Smiths gauge.   However, I=E2=80=99m running GM one-wire alterna=
tor, so
> not using the stock voltage regulator.   =E2=80=93 G.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Gary Winblad <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2025 5:47 PM
> *To:* Donald Antilla <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* Stu <[email-masked]>; [email-masked];
> [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Don's follow up comment Temp Gauge Reading High
>
>
>
> No, the Smiths type does not require the case be grounded... except for
> the night light.
>
>
>
> The two terminals are
>
> And it doesn't matter which terminal is which..  Inside is a heating wire=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">No,=
 there&#39;s a separate voltage regulator for the fuel and temp gauges, loc=
ated just behind the instruments.=C2=A0 It switches the 12V on and off so t=
hat it averages out to be about 10V.=C2=A0 This switching is the ticking I =
mentioned.=C2=A0 Try to read this voltage with an old style analog meter an=
d the pointer will be jumping around.=C2=A0 A digital meter will go nuts.=
=C2=A0 This assumes, of course, that a previous owner didn&#39;t replace th=
e stock panel voltage regulator=C2=A0with an electronic one.</div></div><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 22, 2025 at 9:26=E2=80=AFPM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"msg-121620761821530=
8422"><div lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class=
=3D"m_-1216207618215308422WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Cal=
ibri,sans-serif">Standard Smiths gauge.=C2=A0=C2=A0 However, I=E2=80=99m ru=
nning GM one-wire alternator, so not using the stock voltage regulator.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=93 G.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div style=3D"border-=
right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225=
,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"=
font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Gary Winblad &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 22, 2025 5:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> Donald A=
ntilla &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">fast4=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Stu &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sabre2tgr@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>; <a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Don&#39;s follow up comment Temp Gauge R=
eading High<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">No, the Smiths type does not=
 require the case be grounded... except for the night light.<u></u><u></u><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">The two terminals are<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">1.=C2=A0 about 10V (pulsed, 10V average from the regulato=
r)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">2. to the sensor whic=
h completes the circuit by going to ground.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">And it=C2=A0doesn&#39;t matter which terminal is which.=
.=C2=A0 Inside is a heating wire, non-polaized.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Gary W.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Aug 22, 2025 at 2=
:40<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=E2=80=AF</span>PM Donald A=
ntilla via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquo=
te style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-lef=
t:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;marg=
in-right:0in"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Graham: Please pardon my ignorance, bu=
t will you let me know if you have a classic Smiths gauge setup, or a Ford =
type?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">My comment prior about grounding the =
case assumes you have a Smith=E2=80=99s type system. In that case, you do n=
eed to ground your indicator case or- as happened to me- you get flakey rea=
dings.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Don </span><u></u><u></u></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"=
>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><div id=3D"m_-1216207618215308422m_40895564=
18688194260mail-editor-reference-message-container"><div><div style=3D"bord=
er-right:none currentcolor;border-bottom:none currentcolor;border-left:none=
 currentcolor;border-top:1pt solid currentcolor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><b><span style=3D"color:black=
">From: </span></b><span style=3D"color:black">Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
.net</a>&gt; on behalf of Stu &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, Augus=
t 21, 2025 at 7:37</span><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:=
black">=E2=80=AF</span><span style=3D"color:black">PM<br><b>To: </b><a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">gharlowe@com=
cast.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox=
.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject: <=
/b>Re: [Tigers] Temp Gauge Reading High</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div>=
<div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">A high reading indicates there is a higher=
 current flowing through the=C2=A0gauge,=C2=A0 so a poor connection is unli=
kely.=C2=A0 Is your tank near empty or full?=C2=A0 A bad regulator might ma=
ke less of a difference if the gauge is near empty.<u></u><u></u></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">The voltage regulator gets its ground through it&#39;s mounting =
screw.=C2=A0 It would not be a first if there&#39;s a bit of corrosion unde=
r there.=C2=A0 In a quiet place, turn on the key, don&#39;t start it, and y=
ou should be able to hear the=C2=A0 stock voltage regulator ticking away..<=
u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">For some more hints, here&#39;s a link to=
 my old article on gauge troubleshooting.=C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/BrennanGauge=
/rt-BrennanGauge1.asp" target=3D"_blank">TigersUnited.com</a><u></u><u></u>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">Both gauges have the same innards, so you can swap lea=
ds and see what happens with the pointer angles.=C2=A0 =C2=A0<u></u><u></u>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">Stu<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Au=
g 21, 2025 at 5:57<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=E2=80=AF</s=
pan>PM gharlowe--- via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none currentcolor;border-right:none curr=
entcolor;border-bottom:none currentcolor;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hey all =
=E2=80=93<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">It=E2=80=99s been quiet here so hoping to T-up an eas=
y discussion.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><=
u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">My temp gauge is reading about 25 degrees =
high.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I noticed it after a shop installed a new clutch, which r=
equired the engine to be removed, coolant drained, etc., but nothing that s=
hould have affected how the gauge reads.=C2=A0 Running on a cool day, temps=
 were reading around 215-220 degrees.=C2=A0 To ensure I wasn=E2=80=99t actu=
ally in danger of overheating, I checked various water-cooled locations wit=
h an infrared thermometer.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Highest reading was right at the wat=
er neck/thermostat housing (191 deg F).=C2=A0=C2=A0 The fuel gauge is readi=
ng accurately.=C2=A0 I understand the under-dash instrument stabilizer can =
affect both instruments, but in this case, only one gauge is off.=C2=A0 I p=
lan to check the ground to the temp gauge and clean contact points at the e=
ngine sending unit and at the gauge.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Any other suggestions?=C2=
=A0 <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks and I hope all is well out there!<u></u><u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Graha=
m Harlowe<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">B382001466<u></u><u></u><=
/p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">________=
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