Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Wiper Question

From: Joe Brown <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 15:31:12 -0600

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Update:  I found a color version of the wiring diagram and it helped me
find the purple/white wire.  It is for the door switches that turn on an
interior light on GT models.

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From: Joe Brown <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 3:04=E2=80=AFPM
Subject: Wiper Question
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>

Hi,

I got caught out in the rain yesterday and had to use the wipers.
Everything worked fine at first; I could turn them on and off as needed.
But then it got where the wipers would not turn off.  With the switch in
the off position the wipers seem to go into a third, slower speed. Kind of
like the intermittent setting on modern cars.  I actually like this speed
because it was just lightly misting .   After several minutes they would
eventually stop.  And then occasionally it would start up again on its own.

 I found a similar issue on the SAOCA website and the answer was related to
a "stop wire".  Can somebody tell me where to find that wire?  I've looked
all around the wiper motor but can't seem to find it.

Another question: While looking at the wires going to the wiper motor I
noticed a wire coming out of the wiring harness right next to the wiper
wires that is not hooked up to anything.  It is purple with a white stripe
and there is nothing anywhere close to it that it would hook up to.  I've
looked at the wiring diagram and can't find a match.  See the photo below.

Can anybody tell me what that purple/white wire would go to?

Thanks,
Joe Brown

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Update:=C2=A0 I found a color version of the wiring diagra=
m and it helped me find the purple/white wire.=C2=A0 It is for the door swi=
tches that turn on an interior light on GT models.<br><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">-----=
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e" dir=3D"auto">Joe Brown</strong> <span dir=3D"auto">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br>Date: Sun, =
Feb 23, 2025 at 3:04=E2=80=AFPM<br>Subject: Wiper Question<br>To: <a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><br><b=
r><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>I got caught out in the rain yest=
erday and had to use the wipers.=C2=A0 Everything worked fine at first; I c=
ould turn them on and off as needed.=C2=A0 But then it got where the wipers=
 would not turn off.=C2=A0 With the switch in the off position the wipers s=
eem to go into a third, slower speed. Kind of like the intermittent setting=
 on modern cars.=C2=A0 I actually like this speed because it was just light=
ly misting .=C2=A0 =C2=A0After several minutes they would eventually stop.=
=C2=A0 And then occasionally it would start up again on its=C2=A0own.</div>=
<div><br></div><div>=C2=A0I found a similar issue on the SAOCA website and =
the answer was related to a &quot;stop wire&quot;.=C2=A0 Can somebody tell =
me where to find that wire?=C2=A0 I&#39;ve looked all around the wiper moto=
r but can&#39;t seem to find it.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Anoth=
er question: While looking at the wires going to the wiper motor I noticed =
a wire coming out of the wiring harness right next to the wiper wires that =
is not hooked up to anything.=C2=A0 It is purple with a white stripe and th=
ere is nothing anywhere close to it that it would hook up to.=C2=A0 I&#39;v=
e looked at the wiring diagram and can&#39;t find a match.=C2=A0 See the ph=
oto below.</div><div><br></div><div><img src=3D"cid:ii_m7i46hk90" alt=3D"PX=
L_20250223_204349249.jpg" width=3D"510" height=3D"384"><br></div><div><br><=
/div><div>Can anybody tell me what that purple/white wire would go to?=C2=
=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</div></div>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 14:27:24 -0800

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According to the wiring diagram, the Purple/White is for the right hand
door switch.  This runs the interior light (above the mirror) in GT models
only.
Gary

On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 1:27=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown <[email-masked]> w=
rote:

> the off position the wipers seem to go into a third, slower speed. Kind o=
f
> eventually stop.  And then occasionally it would start up again on its ow=
n.
>
>  I found a similar issue on the SAOCA website and the answer was related
> to a "stop wire".  Can somebody tell me where to find that wire?  I've
> looked all around the wiper motor but can't seem to find it.
>
> wires that is not hooked up to anything.  It is purple with a white strip=
e
> looked at the wiring diagram and can't find a match.  See the photo below=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>According to the wiring diagram, the Purple/White is =
for the right hand door switch.=C2=A0 This runs the interior light (above t=
he mirror) in GT models only.</div><div>Gary</div><div><br></div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 1:27=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,=
<div><br></div><div>I got caught out in the rain yesterday and had to use t=
he wipers.=C2=A0 Everything worked fine at first; I could turn them on and =
off as needed.=C2=A0 But then it got where the wipers would not turn off.=
=C2=A0 With the switch in the off position the wipers seem to go into a thi=
rd, slower speed. Kind of like the intermittent setting on modern cars.=C2=
=A0 I actually like this speed because it was just lightly misting .=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0After several minutes they would eventually stop.=C2=A0 And then occa=
sionally it would start up again on its=C2=A0own.</div><div><br></div><div>=
=C2=A0I found a similar issue on the SAOCA website and the answer was relat=
ed to a &quot;stop wire&quot;.=C2=A0 Can somebody tell me where to find tha=
t wire?=C2=A0 I&#39;ve looked all around the wiper motor but can&#39;t seem=
 to find it.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Another question: While l=
ooking at the wires going to the wiper motor I noticed a wire coming out of=
 the wiring harness right next to the wiper wires that is not hooked up to =
anything.=C2=A0 It is purple with a white stripe and there is nothing anywh=
ere close to it that it would hook up to.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve looked at the wiri=
ng diagram and can&#39;t find a match.=C2=A0 See the photo below.</div><div=
><br></div><div><img src=3D"cid:ii_m7i46hk90" alt=3D"PXL_20250223_204349249=
.jpg" width=3D"510" height=3D"384"><br></div><div><br></div><div>Can anybod=
y tell me what that purple/white wire would go to?=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</div></div>
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From: Joe Brown <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 16:27:54 -0600

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Well,  I found the "stop" wire and it appears to be intact.  I can turn on
the wipers and wiggle the wire and the wipers still work.  With the wiper
switch off I can wiggle the wire and nothing happens.  So I guess the
problem could be inside of the wiper motor?

Thanks,
Joe Brown

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From: Joe Brown <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 3:04=E2=80=AFPM
Subject: Wiper Question
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>

Hi,

Thanks,
Joe Brown

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Well,=C2=A0 I found the &quot;stop&quot; wire and it appea=
rs to be intact.=C2=A0 I can turn on the wipers and wiggle the wire and the=
 wipers still work.=C2=A0 With the wiper switch off I can wiggle the wire a=
nd nothing happens.=C2=A0 So I guess the problem could be inside of the wip=
er motor?<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown<br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong class=3D"gmail_se=
ndername" dir=3D"auto">Joe Brown</strong> <span dir=3D"auto">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br>Date=
: Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 3:31=E2=80=AFPM<br>Subject: Fwd: Wiper Question<br>T=
o: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></=
div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Update:=C2=A0 I found a color version of the w=
iring diagram and it helped me find the purple/white wire.=C2=A0 It is for =
the door switches that turn on an interior light on GT models.<br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">---------- Forw=
arded message ---------<br>From: <strong class=3D"gmail_sendername" dir=3D"=
auto">Joe Brown</strong> <span dir=3D"auto">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jbbrown19=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br>Dat=
e: Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 3:04=E2=80=AFPM<br>Subject: Wiper Question<br>To: <=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
.net</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tig=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></=
div><div>I got caught out in the rain yesterday and had to use the wipers.=
=C2=A0 Everything worked fine at first; I could turn them on and off as nee=
ded.=C2=A0 But then it got where the wipers would not turn off.=C2=A0 With =
the switch in the off position the wipers seem to go into a third, slower s=
peed. Kind of like the intermittent setting on modern cars.=C2=A0 I actuall=
y like this speed because it was just lightly misting .=C2=A0 =C2=A0After s=
everal minutes they would eventually stop.=C2=A0 And then occasionally it w=
ould start up again on its=C2=A0own.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0I found=
 a similar issue on the SAOCA website and the answer was related to a &quot=
;stop wire&quot;.=C2=A0 Can somebody tell me where to find that wire?=C2=A0=
 I&#39;ve looked all around the wiper motor but can&#39;t seem to find it.=
=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Another question: While looking at th=
e wires going to the wiper motor I noticed a wire coming out of the wiring =
harness right next to the wiper wires that is not hooked up to anything.=C2=
=A0 It is purple with a white stripe and there is nothing anywhere close to=
 it that it would hook up to.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve looked at the wiring diagram a=
nd can&#39;t find a match.=C2=A0 See the photo below.</div><div><br></div><=
div><img src=3D"cid:ii_m7i46hk90" alt=3D"PXL_20250223_204349249.jpg" width=
=3D"510" height=3D"384"><br></div><div><br></div><div>Can anybody tell me w=
hat that purple/white wire would go to?=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</div></div>
</div></div>
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From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 17:32:11 -0500

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Joe

Many times when electrical things do not work correctly it is due to poor g=
round or poor connections at the switch.

Purple / White wire is listed on wire diagram for the door switches to the =
interior light.

Ron Fraser

From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Joe Brown
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2025 4:04 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Tigers] Wiper Question

Hi,

I got caught out in the rain yesterday and had to use the wipers.  Everythi=
ng worked fine at first; I could turn them on and off as needed.  But then =
it got where the wipers would not turn off.  With the switch in the off pos=
ition the wipers seem to go into a third, slower speed. Kind of like the in=
termittent setting on modern cars.  I actually like this speed because it w=
as just lightly misting .   After several minutes they would eventually sto=
p.  And then occasionally it would start up again on its own.

 I found a similar issue on the SAOCA website and the answer was related to=
 a "stop wire".  Can somebody tell me where to find that wire?  I've looked=
 all around the wiper motor but can't seem to find it.  

Another question: While looking at the wires going to the wiper motor I not=
iced a wire coming out of the wiring harness right next to the wiper wires =
that is not hooked up to anything.  It is purple with a white stripe and th=
ere is nothing anywhere close to it that it would hook up to.  I've looked =
at the wiring diagram and can't find a match.  See the photo below.

Thanks,

Joe Brown

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o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Purple / White wire is listed on w=
ire diagram for the door switches to the interior light.<o:p></o:p></p><p c=
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[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Wiper Question<o:p></o:p><=
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o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I got caught out in the rain yesterday and had to use the=
 wipers.&nbsp; Everything worked fine at first; I could turn them on and of=
f as needed.&nbsp; But then it got where the wipers would not turn off.&nbs=
p; With the switch in the off position the wipers seem to go into a third, =
slower speed. Kind of like the intermittent setting on modern cars.&nbsp; I=
 actually like this speed because it was just lightly misting .&nbsp; &nbsp=
;After several minutes they would eventually stop.&nbsp; And then occasiona=
lly it would start up again on its&nbsp;own.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;=
I found a similar issue on the SAOCA website and the answer was related to =
a &quot;stop wire&quot;.&nbsp; Can somebody tell me where to find that wire=
?&nbsp; I've looked all around the wiper motor but can't seem to find it.&n=
bsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Another question: While looking at the w=
ires going to the wiper motor I noticed a wire coming out of the wiring har=
ness right next to the wiper wires that is not hooked up to anything.&nbsp;=
 It is purple with a white stripe and there is nothing anywhere close to it=
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t find a match.&nbsp; See the photo below.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal>Can anybody tell me what that purple/white wire woul=
d go to?&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><d=
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The wiper switch is on the ground side.  So, if the wires between the motor
and the switch are shorting to ground somewhere, that will make the wipers
run.
A loose connection there to ground COULD make the third slower operation...
could.
The ground wire goes inside the motor to a switch that switches to ground
until the wipers are in the stop position.  A sticky switch or loose ground
there could
cause the wipers to run continuously.  This ground switch makes sure that
the wipers will park, even if you turn the dash switch off when the wipers
are up on
the windshield.
Good luck,
Gary

On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 2:59=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown <[email-masked]> w=
rote:

> Well,  I found the "stop" wire and it appears to be intact.  I can turn o=
n
f
n.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>The wiper switch is on the ground side.=C2=A0 So, if =
the wires between the motor and the switch are shorting to ground somewhere=
, that will make the wipers run.</div><div>A loose connection there to grou=
nd COULD make the third slower operation... could.</div><div>The ground wir=
e goes inside the motor to a switch that switches to ground until the wiper=
s are in the stop position.=C2=A0 A sticky switch or loose ground there cou=
ld</div><div>cause the wipers to run continuously.=C2=A0 This ground switch=
 makes sure that the wipers will park, even if you turn the dash switch off=
 when the wipers are up on</div><div>the windshield.</div><div>Good luck,</=
div><div>Gary</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail=
_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 23, 202=
5 at 2:59=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Well,=C2=A0 I found the &quot;stop&q=
uot; wire and it appears to be intact.=C2=A0 I can turn on the wipers and w=
iggle the wire and the wipers still work.=C2=A0 With the wiper switch off I=
 can wiggle the wire and nothing happens.=C2=A0 So I guess the problem coul=
d be inside of the wiper motor?<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Br=
own<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong class=3D"gmail_sen=
dername" dir=3D"auto">Joe Brown</strong> <span dir=3D"auto">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t;</span><br>Date: Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 3:31=E2=80=AFPM<br>Subject: Fwd: Wi=
per Question<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><br><br><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Update:=C2=A0 I found a color version of the wiring diagram and it=
 helped me find the purple/white wire.=C2=A0 It is for the door switches th=
at turn on an interior light on GT models.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ------=
---<br>From: <strong class=3D"gmail_sendername" dir=3D"auto">Joe Brown</str=
ong> <span dir=3D"auto">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br>Date: Sun, Feb 23, 2025=
 at 3:04=E2=80=AFPM<br>Subject: Wiper Question<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:Tig=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt;<br></div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>I got caugh=
t out in the rain yesterday and had to use the wipers.=C2=A0 Everything wor=
ked fine at first; I could turn them on and off as needed.=C2=A0 But then i=
t got where the wipers would not turn off.=C2=A0 With the switch in the off=
 position the wipers seem to go into a third, slower speed. Kind of like th=
e intermittent setting on modern cars.=C2=A0 I actually like this speed bec=
ause it was just lightly misting .=C2=A0 =C2=A0After several minutes they w=
ould eventually stop.=C2=A0 And then occasionally it would start up again o=
n its=C2=A0own.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0I found a similar issue on t=
he SAOCA website and the answer was related to a &quot;stop wire&quot;.=C2=
=A0 Can somebody tell me where to find that wire?=C2=A0 I&#39;ve looked all=
 around the wiper motor but can&#39;t seem to find it.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><di=
v><br></div><div>Another question: While looking at the wires going to the =
wiper motor I noticed a wire coming out of the wiring harness right next to=
 the wiper wires that is not hooked up to anything.=C2=A0 It is purple with=
 a white stripe and there is nothing anywhere close to it that it would hoo=
k up to.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve looked at the wiring diagram and can&#39;t find a m=
atch.=C2=A0 See the photo below.</div><div><br></div><div><img src=3D"cid:i=
i_m7i46hk90" alt=3D"PXL_20250223_204349249.jpg" width=3D"510" height=3D"384=
"><br></div><div><br></div><div>Can anybody tell me what that purple/white =
wire would go to?=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jo=
e Brown</div></div>
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Here is a suggestion I make for these types of issues.  I made multiple
photocopies of the wiring diagrams.  Then for each "system" I manually
highlight the wires for it.  It really helps make it all pop.

You might want to do that for the heater, to see where each wire goes, and
then inspect them in person to see where something may be amiss.

Yeah, I know.  Paper.  What a concept.

On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 3:57=E2=80=AFPM Gary Winblad <[email-masked]=
> wrote:

> The wiper switch is on the ground side.  So, if the wires between the
> motor and the switch are shorting to ground somewhere, that will make the
> wipers run.
> A loose connection there to ground COULD make the third slower
> operation... could.
> until the wipers are in the stop position.  A sticky switch or loose grou=
nd
> the wipers will park, even if you turn the dash switch off when the wiper=
s
> are up on
> the windshield.
> Good luck,
> Gary
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 2:59=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
>
>> Well,  I found the "stop" wire and it appears to be intact.  I can turn
>> on the wipers and wiggle the wire and the wipers still work.  With the
>> wiper switch off I can wiggle the wire and nothing happens.  So I guess =
the
>> the off position the wipers seem to go into a third, slower speed. Kind =
of
>> like the intermittent setting on modern cars.  I actually like this spee=
d
>> eventually stop.  And then occasionally it would start up again on its o=
wn.
>> wires that is not hooked up to anything.  It is purple with a white stri=
pe
>> and there is nothing anywhere close to it that it would hook up to.  I'v=
e
>> looked at the wiring diagram and can't find a match.  See the photo belo=
w.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Here is a suggestion I make for these types of issues.=C2=
=A0 I made multiple photocopies of the wiring diagrams.=C2=A0 Then for each=
 &quot;system&quot; I manually highlight the wires for it.=C2=A0 It really =
helps make it all pop. =C2=A0<div><br></div><div>You might want to do that =
for the heater, to see where each wire goes, and then inspect them in perso=
n to see where something may be amiss.</div><div><br></div><div>Yeah, I kno=
w.=C2=A0 Paper.=C2=A0 What a concept.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Fe=
b 23, 2025 at 3:57=E2=80=AFPM Gary Winblad &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:winbladgar=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;b=
order-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>The wiper switch is on the ground side.=C2=A0 So, if=
 the wires between the motor and the switch are shorting to ground somewher=
e, that will make the wipers run.</div><div>A loose connection there to gro=
und COULD make the third slower operation... could.</div><div>The ground wi=
re goes inside the motor to a switch that switches to ground until the wipe=
rs are in the stop position.=C2=A0 A sticky switch or loose ground there co=
uld</div><div>cause the wipers to run continuously.=C2=A0 This ground switc=
h makes sure that the wipers will park, even if you turn the dash switch of=
f when the wipers are up on</div><div>the windshield.</div><div>Good luck,<=
/div><div>Gary</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 2:59=E2=80=AFPM =
Joe Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">jb=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-styl=
e:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Well,=C2=A0 I found the &quot;stop&quot; wire and it appears to be intac=
t.=C2=A0 I can turn on the wipers and wiggle the wire and the wipers still =
work.=C2=A0 With the wiper switch off I can wiggle the wire and nothing hap=
pens.=C2=A0 So I guess the problem could be inside of the wiper motor?<div>=
<br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ------=
---<br>From: <strong class=3D"gmail_sendername" dir=3D"auto">Joe Brown</str=
ong> <span dir=3D"auto">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br>Date: Sun, Feb 23, 2025=
 at 3:31=E2=80=AFPM<br>Subject: Fwd: Wiper Question<br>To: <a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt;<br></div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Update:=C2=A0 I found a color=
 version of the wiring diagram and it helped me find the purple/white wire.=
=C2=A0 It is for the door switches that turn on an interior light on GT mod=
els.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong class=3D"gmail_se=
ndername" dir=3D"auto">Joe Brown</strong> <span dir=3D"auto">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt;</span><br>Date: Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 3:04=E2=80=AFPM<br>Subject: Wiper =
Question<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">=
[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><br><br><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Hi,<div><br></div><div>I got caught out in the rain yesterday and had to=
 use the wipers.=C2=A0 Everything worked fine at first; I could turn them o=
n and off as needed.=C2=A0 But then it got where the wipers would not turn =
off.=C2=A0 With the switch in the off position the wipers seem to go into a=
 third, slower speed. Kind of like the intermittent setting on modern cars.=
=C2=A0 I actually like this speed because it was just lightly misting .=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0After several minutes they would eventually stop.=C2=A0 And then =
occasionally it would start up again on its=C2=A0own.</div><div><br></div><=
div>=C2=A0I found a similar issue on the SAOCA website and the answer was r=
elated to a &quot;stop wire&quot;.=C2=A0 Can somebody tell me where to find=
 that wire?=C2=A0 I&#39;ve looked all around the wiper motor but can&#39;t =
seem to find it.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Another question: Whi=
le looking at the wires going to the wiper motor I noticed a wire coming ou=
t of the wiring harness right next to the wiper wires that is not hooked up=
 to anything.=C2=A0 It is purple with a white stripe and there is nothing a=
nywhere close to it that it would hook up to.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve looked at the =
wiring diagram and can&#39;t find a match.=C2=A0 See the photo below.</div>=
<div><br></div><div><img src=3D"cid:ii_m7i46hk90" alt=3D"PXL_20250223_20434=
9249.jpg" width=3D"510" height=3D"384"><br></div><div><br></div><div>Can an=
ybody tell me what that purple/white wire would go to?=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><di=
v><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</div></div>
</div></div>
</div></div></div>
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Joe,
It sounds like your STOP wire isn't functioning correctly.  Instead of
affecting a complete open circuit when the STOP switch is activated (at the
rest position) it is still providing a partial path to ground.  This would
explain the slow operation of the wipers when you try to turn them off.
This would be caused by some resistive path that bypasses the STOP switch.
This could be caused by the STOP switch contacts rubbing against the case
or something else.  You might try disassembling the motor assembly and
inspecting the STOP switch to see if there's anything screwed up in it.
The ultimate test of the switch would be to use an Ohm meter to measure the
resistance across the STOP contacts when the switch is activated (rest
position).  With the STOP wire disconnected an Ohm meter should give an
infinite reading.  Would be best to disconnect the battery when you're
doing this.  You can do this test without disassembling anything (measure
resistance from STOP wire to ground) but you  have to make sure the the
wipers are at the rest position when you do the test.
-Good luck

Will - 382001570
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-size:small">Joe,</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-size:small">It sounds like your STOP wire isn&#39;t functioning correc=
tly.=C2=A0 Instead of affecting a complete open circuit when the STOP switc=
h is activated (at the rest position) it is still providing a partial path =
to ground.=C2=A0 This would explain the slow operation of the wipers when y=
ou try to turn them off.=C2=A0 This would be caused by some resistive path =
that bypasses the STOP switch.=C2=A0 This could be caused by the STOP switc=
h contacts rubbing against the case or something else.=C2=A0 You might try =
disassembling the motor assembly and inspecting the STOP switch to see if t=
here&#39;s anything screwed up in it.=C2=A0 The ultimate test of the switch=
 would be to use an Ohm meter to measure the resistance across the STOP con=
tacts when=C2=A0the switch is activated=C2=A0(rest position).=C2=A0 With th=
e STOP wire disconnected an Ohm meter should give an infinite reading.=C2=
=A0 Would be best to disconnect the battery when you&#39;re doing this.=C2=
=A0 You can do this test without disassembling anything (measure resistance=
 from STOP wire to ground) but you=C2=A0 have to make sure the=C2=A0the wip=
ers are at the rest position when you do the test.</div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default" style=3D"font-size:small">-Good luck</div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Will - 382001570 <br><a href=3D"mailto:Tige=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div></div><=
/div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div di=
r=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 6:28=E2=80=AFPM Gary=
 Winblad &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>The wiper switch is on the ground side.=C2=A0 So, if =
the wires between the motor and the switch are shorting to ground somewhere=
, that will make the wipers run.</div><div>A loose connection there to grou=
nd COULD make the third slower operation... could.</div><div>The ground wir=
e goes inside the motor to a switch that switches to ground until the wiper=
s are in the stop position.=C2=A0 A sticky switch or loose ground there cou=
ld</div><div>cause the wipers to run continuously.=C2=A0 This ground switch=
 makes sure that the wipers will park, even if you turn the dash switch off=
 when the wipers are up on</div><div>the windshield.</div><div>Good luck,</=
div><div>Gary</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 2:59=E2=80=AFPM J=
oe Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">jbb=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);=
padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Well,=C2=A0 I found the &quot;stop&quot;=
 wire and it appears to be intact.=C2=A0 I can turn on the wipers and wiggl=
e the wire and the wipers still work.=C2=A0 With the wiper switch off I can=
 wiggle the wire and nothing happens.=C2=A0 So I guess the problem could be=
 inside of the wiper motor?<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown<=
br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">---=
------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong class=3D"gmail_sendern=
ame" dir=3D"auto">Joe Brown</strong> <span dir=3D"auto">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</=
span><br>Date: Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 3:31=E2=80=AFPM<br>Subject: Fwd: Wiper =
Question<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">=
[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><br><br><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Update:=C2=A0 I found a color version of the wiring diagram and it helpe=
d me find the purple/white wire.=C2=A0 It is for the door switches that tur=
n on an interior light on GT models.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br=
>From: <strong class=3D"gmail_sendername" dir=3D"auto">Joe Brown</strong> <=
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04=E2=80=AFPM<br>Subject: Wiper Question<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:Tigers@au=
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<br></div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>I got caught out =
in the rain yesterday and had to use the wipers.=C2=A0 Everything worked fi=
ne at first; I could turn them on and off as needed.=C2=A0 But then it got =
where the wipers would not turn off.=C2=A0 With the switch in the off posit=
ion the wipers seem to go into a third, slower speed. Kind of like the inte=
rmittent setting on modern cars.=C2=A0 I actually like this speed because i=
t was just lightly misting .=C2=A0 =C2=A0After several minutes they would e=
ventually stop.=C2=A0 And then occasionally it would start up again on its=
=C2=A0own.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0I found a similar issue on the SA=
OCA website and the answer was related to a &quot;stop wire&quot;.=C2=A0 Ca=
n somebody tell me where to find that wire?=C2=A0 I&#39;ve looked all aroun=
d the wiper motor but can&#39;t seem to find it.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br>=
</div><div>Another question: While looking at the wires going to the wiper =
motor I noticed a wire coming out of the wiring harness right next to the w=
iper wires that is not hooked up to anything.=C2=A0 It is purple with a whi=
te stripe and there is nothing anywhere close to it that it would hook up t=
o.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve looked at the wiring diagram and can&#39;t find a match.=
=C2=A0 See the photo below.</div><div><br></div><div><img src=3D"cid:ii_m7i=
46hk90" alt=3D"PXL_20250223_204349249.jpg" width=3D"510" height=3D"384"><br=
></div><div><br></div><div>Can anybody tell me what that purple/white wire =
would go to?=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Bro=
wn</div></div>
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