Subject: [Tigers] Battery manifold

From: James Armstrong via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 16:56:02 +0000 (UTC)

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Hello

=C2=A0

After some research into the battery manifold of M1 and Mk1A Tigers, I=E2=
=80=99ve found the following:

In the =E2=80=98Parts list Supplement for the Sunbeam 260=E2=80=99, I found=
 that:
The Rootes part number for the manifold breather tube and 6 caps is 1224844
On the same line, at the end of the =E2=80=98Description=E2=80=99 is a Luca=
s number, 54285582

The Lucas Equipment and Service Parts manual for 1966 # CCE901/66 lists the=
=C2=A0 battery but not the manifold.

In the old Lucas Bible, =E2=80=98Lucas Equipment and Spare Parts=C2=A0 1945=
-1960=E2=80=99, there is a listing for a battery Vent Plug, rubber,=C2=A0 p=
art number 24179522, but its top is different than the plugs used on the Ti=
ger manifold, as well as being rubber not plastic. Note that =E2=80=98The L=
ucas Bible=E2=80=99 ends in 1960 and covers late 40=E2=80=99s through 1960.=
 Rubber was used far more frequently in that period.

=C2=A0Ron Fraser, known to all on this list-serve, contacted the Rootes Her=
itage Group and asked if they had a drawing of the assembly and they report=
ed to him they had no information on this.

=C2=A0Further, Joe Chiappetta, an extremely knowledgeable Sunbeam guy for m=
any years, has researched this part (or similar) in different British makes=
, especially ones with fuel tanks in the same closed environment as a Tiger=
, and hasn=E2=80=99t found anything.

The part is a Lucas, but I=E2=80=99ll bet it was installed at the Jensen pl=
ant as they were building the Tiger.
Strange, though, that no other vehicles (it appears) had this arrangement w=
ith these very special
=C2=A0arrow-headed plugs.

In closing, it seems that the only hope for obtaining an assembly would be =
a clever person with a 3D printer

and a sample cap.

=C2=A0

Thoughts?

=C2=A0
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">After some research into the battery manifold of M1 and Mk1A Tigers, I&rsquo;ve found the following:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In the &lsquo;Parts list Supplement for the Sunbeam 260&rsquo;, I found that:<br>The Rootes part number for the manifold breather tube and 6 caps is 1224844<br>On the same line, at the end of the &lsquo;Description&rsquo; is a Lucas number, 54285582<br><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The Lucas Equipment and Service Parts manual for 1966 # CCE901/66 lists the<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>battery but not the manifold.<br><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In the old Lucas Bible, &lsquo;Lucas Equipment and Spare Parts<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>1945-1960&rsquo;, there is a listing for a battery Vent Plug, rubber,<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>part number 24179522, but its top is different than the plugs used on the Tiger manifold, as well as being rubber not plastic. Note that &lsquo;The Lucas Bible&rsquo; ends in 1960 and covers late 40&rsquo;s through 1960. Rubber was used far more frequently in that period.<br><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span>Ron Fraser, known to all on this list-serve, contacted the Rootes Heritage Group and asked if they had a drawing of the assembly and they reported to him they had no information on this.<br><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;Further, Joe Chiappetta, an extremely knowledgeable Sunbeam guy for many years, has researched this part (or similar) in different British makes, especially ones with fuel tanks in the same closed environment as a Tiger, and hasn&rsquo;t found anything.<br><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The part is a Lucas, but I&rsquo;ll bet<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>it was installed at the Jensen plant as they were building the Tiger.<br>Strange, though, that no other vehicles (it appears) had this arrangement with these very special<br><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span>arrow-headed plugs.<br><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In closing, it seems that the only hope for obtaining an assembly would be a clever person with a 3D printer</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">and a sample cap.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thoughts?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div class="aoldesktop_signature">
<div>Jim Armstrong</div>
<div>Mk 1A</div>
<div>382002083 LRXFE</div>
<div>Code 86</div>
<div>TAC # 0763</div>
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From: James Lindner <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 13:19:59 -0500

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 Not an exact reproduction, but I thought my effort to replicate breather tu=
be was close. I have since added original terminal lugs. Battery central car=
ried the repro Lucas battery, but I think it is no longer available.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2025, at 12:51 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers <[email-masked]=
m.net> wrote:
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> =EF=BB=BF
> Hello
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> =20
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> After some research into the battery manifold of M1 and Mk1A Tigers, I=E2=80=
=99ve found the following:
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> In the =E2=80=98Parts list Supplement for the Sunbeam 260=E2=80=99, I foun=
d that:
> The Rootes part number for the manifold breather tube and 6 caps is 122484=
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> On the same line, at the end of the =E2=80=98Description=E2=80=99 is a Luc=
as number, 54285582
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> The Lucas Equipment and Service Parts manual for 1966 # CCE901/66 lists th=
e  battery but not the manifold.
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>=20
> In the old Lucas Bible, =E2=80=98Lucas Equipment and Spare Parts  1945-196=
0=E2=80=99, there is a listing for a battery Vent Plug, rubber,  part number=
 24179522, but its top is different than the plugs used on the Tiger manifol=
d, as well as being rubber not plastic. Note that =E2=80=98The Lucas Bible=E2=
=80=99 ends in 1960 and covers late 40=E2=80=99s through 1960. Rubber was us=
ed far more frequently in that period.
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>  Ron Fraser, known to all on this list-serve, contacted the Rootes Heritag=
e Group and asked if they had a drawing of the assembly and they reported to=
 him they had no information on this.
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>  Further, Joe Chiappetta, an extremely knowledgeable Sunbeam guy for many y=
ears, has researched this part (or similar) in different British makes, espe=
cially ones with fuel tanks in the same closed environment as a Tiger, and h=
asn=E2=80=99t found anything.
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> The part is a Lucas, but I=E2=80=99ll bet it was installed at the Jensen p=
lant as they were building the Tiger.
ith these very special
>  arrow-headed plugs.
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> In closing, it seems that the only hope for obtaining an assembly would be=
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> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC # 0763
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">&nbsp;Not an exact reproduction, but I thou=
ght my effort to replicate breather tube was close. I have since added origi=
nal terminal lugs. Battery central carried the repro Lucas battery, but I th=
ink it is no longer available.<div><br></div><div>Jim<br><div><br></div><div=
><img alt=3D"image0.jpeg" src=3D"cid:8DC08A2F-893E-43A9-996D-7EEB9525BF74"><=
div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite">On Feb 11, 2025, at 12:51 PM, James Armstrong via Tiger=
s &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div>
<div class=3D"userEdit" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; f=
ont-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hello</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">After some research into the battery manifold of M1 a=
nd Mk1A Tigers, I=E2=80=99ve found the following:</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In the =E2=80=98Parts list Supplement for the Sunbeam=
 260=E2=80=99, I found that:<br>The Rootes part number for the manifold brea=
ther tube and 6 caps is 1224844<br>On the same line, at the end of the =E2=80=
=98Description=E2=80=99 is a Lucas number, 54285582<br><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The Lucas Equipment and Service Parts manual for 1966=
 # CCE901/66 lists the<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>batte=
ry but not the manifold.<br><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In the old Lucas Bible, =E2=80=98Lucas Equipment and S=
pare Parts<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>1945-1960=E2=80=99=
, there is a listing for a battery Vent Plug, rubber,<span style=3D"mso-spac=
erun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>part number 24179522, but its top is different tha=
n the plugs used on the Tiger manifold, as well as being rubber not plastic.=
 Note that =E2=80=98The Lucas Bible=E2=80=99 ends in 1960 and covers late 40=
=E2=80=99s through 1960. Rubber was used far more frequently in that period.=
<br><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span>Ron Fra=
ser, known to all on this list-serve, contacted the Rootes Heritage Group an=
d asked if they had a drawing of the assembly and they reported to him they h=
ad no information on this.<br><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;Further, Joe Chiappetta, an extremely knowledge=
able Sunbeam guy for many years, has researched this part (or similar) in di=
fferent British makes, especially ones with fuel tanks in the same closed en=
vironment as a Tiger, and hasn=E2=80=99t found anything.<br><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The part is a Lucas, but I=E2=80=99ll bet<span style=3D=
"mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>it was installed at the Jensen plant as they we=
re building the Tiger.<br>Strange, though, that no other vehicles (it appear=
s) had this arrangement with these very special<br><span style=3D"mso-spacer=
un: yes;">&nbsp;</span>arrow-headed plugs.<br><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In closing, it seems that the only hope for obtaining=
 an assembly would be a clever person with a 3D printer</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">and a sample cap.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thoughts?</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div class=3D"aoldesktop_signature">
<div>Jim Armstrong</div>
<div>Mk 1A</div>
<div>382002083 LRXFE</div>
<div>Code 86</div>
<div>TAC # 0763</div>
</div>
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