Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 18, Issue 18

From: Warren Goodman via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 17:04:32 +0000 (UTC)

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 I had an AC Delco one on a MK2
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 16:56:02 +0000 (UTC)
From: James Armstrong <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Tigers] Battery manifold

Hello

?

After some research into the battery manifold of M1 and Mk1A Tigers, I?ve f=
ound the following:

In the ?Parts list Supplement for the Sunbeam 260?, I found that:
The Rootes part number for the manifold breather tube and 6 caps is 1224844
On the same line, at the end of the ?Description? is a Lucas number, 542855=
82

The Lucas Equipment and Service Parts manual for 1966 # CCE901/66 lists the=
? battery but not the manifold.

In the old Lucas Bible, ?Lucas Equipment and Spare Parts? 1945-1960?, there=
 is a listing for a battery Vent Plug, rubber,? part number 24179522, but i=
ts top is different than the plugs used on the Tiger manifold, as well as b=
eing rubber not plastic. Note that ?The Lucas Bible? ends in 1960 and cover=
s late 40?s through 1960. Rubber was used far more frequently in that perio=
d.

?Ron Fraser, known to all on this list-serve, contacted the Rootes Heritage=
 Group and asked if they had a drawing of the assembly and they reported to=
 him they had no information on this.

?Further, Joe Chiappetta, an extremely knowledgeable Sunbeam guy for many y=
ears, has researched this part (or similar) in different British makes, esp=
ecially ones with fuel tanks in the same closed environment as a Tiger, and=
 hasn?t found anything.

The part is a Lucas, but I?ll bet it was installed at the Jensen plant as t=
hey were building the Tiger.
Strange, though, that no other vehicles (it appears) had this arrangement w=
ith these very special
?arrow-headed plugs.

In closing, it seems that the only hope for obtaining an assembly would be =
a clever person with a 3D printer

and a sample cap.

?

Thoughts?

?
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 13:19:59 -0500
From: James Lindner <[email-masked]>
To: James Armstrong <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Battery manifold

 Not an exact reproduction, but I thought my effort to replicate breather t=
ube was close. I have since added original terminal lugs. Battery central c=
arried the repro Lucas battery, but I think it is no longer available.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2025, at 12:51 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers <[email-masked]=
am.net> wrote:
>=20
> ?
> Hello
>=20
>=C2=A0=20
>=20
> After some research into the battery manifold of M1 and Mk1A Tigers, I?ve=
 found the following:
>=20
> In the ?Parts list Supplement for the Sunbeam 260?, I found that:
> The Rootes part number for the manifold breather tube and 6 caps is 12248=
44
> On the same line, at the end of the ?Description? is a Lucas number, 5428=
5582
>=20
>=20
> The Lucas Equipment and Service Parts manual for 1966 # CCE901/66 lists t=
he=C2=A0 battery but not the manifold.
>=20
>=20
> In the old Lucas Bible, ?Lucas Equipment and Spare Parts=C2=A0 1945-1960?=
, there is a listing for a battery Vent Plug, rubber,=C2=A0 part number 241=
79522, but its top is different than the plugs used on the Tiger manifold, =
as well as being rubber not plastic. Note that ?The Lucas Bible? ends in 19=
60 and covers late 40?s through 1960. Rubber was used far more frequently i=
n that period.
>=20
>=20
>=C2=A0 Ron Fraser, known to all on this list-serve, contacted the Rootes H=
eritage Group and asked if they had a drawing of the assembly and they repo=
rted to him they had no information on this.
>=20
>=20
>=C2=A0 Further, Joe Chiappetta, an extremely knowledgeable Sunbeam guy for=
 many years, has researched this part (or similar) in different British mak=
es, especially ones with fuel tanks in the same closed environment as a Tig=
er, and hasn?t found anything.
>=20
>=20
> The part is a Lucas, but I?ll bet it was installed at the Jensen plant as=
 they were building the Tiger.
> Strange, though, that no other vehicles (it appears) had this arrangement=
 with these very special
>=C2=A0 arrow-headed plugs.
>=20
>=20
> In closing, it seems that the only hope for obtaining an assembly would b=
e a clever person with a 3D printer
>=20
> and a sample cap.
>=20
>=C2=A0=20
>=20
> Thoughts?
>=20
>=C2=A0=20
>=20
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC # 0763
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From: James Armstrong &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofol=
low" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_bl=
ank">[email-masked]</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: [Tigers] =
Battery manifold<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID: &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hello<b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">?<br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">After some research into the battery manifo=
ld of M1 and Mk1A Tigers, I?ve found the following:<br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">In the ?Parts list Supplement for the Sunbeam=
 260?, I found that:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">The Rootes part number for t=
he manifold breather tube and 6 caps is 1224844<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">O=
n the same line, at the end of the ?Description? is a Lucas number, 5428558=
2<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">The Lucas Equipment and Service Parts m=
anual for 1966 # CCE901/66 lists the? battery but not the manifold.<br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">In the old Lucas Bible, ?Lucas Equipment and Spare=
 Parts? 1945-1960?, there is a listing for a battery Vent Plug, rubber,? pa=
rt number 24179522, but its top is different than the plugs used on the Tig=
er manifold, as well as being rubber not plastic. Note that ?The Lucas Bibl=
e? ends in 1960 and covers late 40?s through 1960. Rubber was used far more=
 frequently in that period.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">?Ron Fraser, kn=
own to all on this list-serve, contacted the Rootes Heritage Group and aske=
d if they had a drawing of the assembly and they reported to him they had n=
o information on this.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">?Further, Joe Chiapp=
etta, an extremely knowledgeable Sunbeam guy for many years, has researched=
 this part (or similar) in different British makes, especially ones with fu=
el tanks in the same closed environment as a Tiger, and hasn?t found anythi=
ng.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">The part is a Lucas, but I?ll bet it wa=
s installed at the Jensen plant as they were building the Tiger.<br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">Strange, though, that no other vehicles (it appears) had th=
is arrangement with these very special<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">?arrow-hea=
ded plugs.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">In closing, it seems that the on=
ly hope for obtaining an assembly would be a clever person with a 3D printe=
r<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">and a sample cap.<br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">?<br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thoughts?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 =
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><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: Re: [Tigers] Battery manifold<br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:2877E113-1865-4B4F-8259=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">2877E113-1865-4B4=
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=3D"ltr"> Not an exact reproduction, but I thought my effort to replicate b=
reather tube was close. I have since added original terminal lugs. Battery =
central carried the repro Lucas battery, but I think it is no longer availa=
ble.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jim<br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; On Feb 11, 2025, at 12:51 PM, James Armstrong via Tig=
ers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt=
; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; ?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Hello<br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&nbsp; <br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; After some research=
 into the battery manifold of M1 and Mk1A Tigers, I?ve found the following:=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; In the ?Par=
ts list Supplement for the Sunbeam 260?, I found that:<br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">&gt; The Rootes part number for the manifold breather tube and 6 caps=
 is 1224844<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; On the same line, at the end of =
the ?Description? is a Lucas number, 54285582<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt=
; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; The Lucas=
 Equipment and Service Parts manual for 1966 # CCE901/66 lists the&nbsp; ba=
ttery but not the manifold.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; In the old Lucas Bible, ?Lu=
cas Equipment and Spare Parts&nbsp; 1945-1960?, there is a listing for a ba=
ttery Vent Plug, rubber,&nbsp; part number 24179522, but its top is differe=
nt than the plugs used on the Tiger manifold, as well as being rubber not p=
lastic. Note that ?The Lucas Bible? ends in 1960 and covers late 40?s throu=
gh 1960. Rubber was used far more frequently in that period.<br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>&gt;&nbsp; Ron Fraser, known to all on this list-serve, contacted the Root=
es Heritage Group and asked if they had a drawing of the assembly and they =
reported to him they had no information on this.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&nbsp; =
Further, Joe Chiappetta, an extremely knowledgeable Sunbeam guy for many ye=
ars, has researched this part (or similar) in different British makes, espe=
cially ones with fuel tanks in the same closed environment as a Tiger, and =
hasn?t found anything.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; The part is a Lucas, but I?ll be=
t it was installed at the Jensen plant as they were building the Tiger.<br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Strange, though, that no other vehicles (it app=
ears) had this arrangement with these very special<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">&gt;&nbsp; arrow-headed plugs.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; In closing, it seems t=
hat the only hope for obtaining an assembly would be a clever person with a=
 3D printer<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; =
and a sample cap.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>&gt;&nbsp; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;=
 Thoughts?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&n=
bsp; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Jim Ar=
mstrong<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Mk 1A<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;=
 382002083 LRXFE<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Code 86<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">&gt; TAC # 0763<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; ___________________=
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