Subject: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices

From: James Armstrong via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 16:02:06 +0000 (UTC)

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Hello,
=C2=A0In the 48 years I've owned my Mk 1A, I don't think I ever locked the =
doors !But during the united 41 Concours, my doorhandles were found to be1)=
 upside down (car was repainted years ago)2) the locking mechanisms were no=
nfunctional. the driver's side just spun and passenger side jammed the key=
=C2=A0So, since they were going to come off the car and the chrome has some=
 pimples on it,=C2=A0I bought a new=C2=A0set from Sunbeam Specialties.=C2=
=A0I tried to find Tom Ehrhart's number to ask for a recommendation for fix=
ing the tumblers and=C2=A0installing them in the new handles, but I've lost=
 his contact information.=C2=A0Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock=
 and key person? I want to maintainthe original tumblers as I've got both s=
ets of original keys. Tumbler code is FS 901.=C2=A0Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002=
083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">Hello,<br></span></div>
<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">&nbsp;</div>
<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">In the 48 years I've owned my Mk 1A, I don't think I ever locked the doors !</span></div>
<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">But during the united 41 Concours, my doorhandles were found to be</span></div>
<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">1) upside down (car was repainted years ago)</span></div>
<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">2) the locking mechanisms were nonfunctional. the driver's side just spun and passenger </span></div>
<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">side jammed the key</span></div>
<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">&nbsp;</div>
<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">So, since they were going to come off the car and the chrome has some pimples on it,</span></div>
<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">&nbsp;I bought a new&nbsp;</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">set from Sunbeam Specialties.</span></div>
<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">&nbsp;</div>
<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">I tried to find Tom Ehrhart's number to ask for a recommendation for fixing the tumblers </span></div>
<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">and&nbsp;</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">installing them in the new handles, but I've lost his </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">contact information.</span></div>
<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">&nbsp;</div>
<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person? I want to maintain</span></div>
<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">the original tumblers as I'v</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">e got both sets of original keys. Tumbler code is FS 901.</span></div>
<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Jim Armstrong</div>
<div>Mk 1A</div>
<div>382002083 LRXFE</div>
<div>Code 86</div>
<div>TAC # 0763</div>
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 13:32:31 -0400

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That's funny.  When I showed my car for the first time in Staunton, I 
found out the same thing.  I didn't have a trunk key, either.  According 
to Curt, the ignition key should open the trunk, and the console key 
should open the doors.  Well, the ignition key is a lot different.  Just 
2 days ago, I pulled the door handles and the trunk lock and took them 
to my friendly local locksmith who re keyed them to the console key.  
$30 apiece.  He even had a chart that showed what the keys for the Tiger 
look like, and a code for him to order replacements.

Chris

B382000331

On 10/22/2024 12:02 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers wrote:
> Hello,
> In the 48 years I've owned my Mk 1A, I don't think I ever locked the 
> doors !
> But during the united 41 Concours, my doorhandles were found to be
> 1) upside down (car was repainted years ago)
> 2) the locking mechanisms were nonfunctional. the driver's side just 
> spun and passenger
> side jammed the key
> So, since they were going to come off the car and the chrome has some 
> pimples on it,
>  I bought a new set from Sunbeam Specialties.
> I tried to find Tom Ehrhart's number to ask for a recommendation for 
> fixing the tumblers
> and installing them in the new handles, but I've lost his contact 
> information.
> Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person? I want to 
> maintain
> the original tumblers as I've got both sets of original keys. Tumbler 
> code is FS 901.
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC # 0763
>
>
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    <p>That's funny.  When I showed my car for the first time in
      Staunton, I found out the same thing.  I didn't have a trunk key,
      either.  According to Curt, the ignition key should open the
      trunk, and the console key should open the doors.  Well, the
      ignition key is a lot different.  Just 2 days ago, I pulled the
      door handles and the trunk lock and took them to my friendly local
      locksmith who re keyed them to the console key.  $30 apiece.  He
      even had a chart that showed what the keys for the Tiger look
      like, and a code for him to order replacements.</p>
    <p>Chris</p>
    <p>B382000331<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/22/2024 12:02 PM, James Armstrong
      via Tigers wrote:<br>
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          </span></div>
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style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </div>
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style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">In
            the 48 years I've owned my Mk 1A, I don't think I ever
            locked the doors !</span></div>
        <div class="userEdit"
style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">But
            during the united 41 Concours, my doorhandles were found to
            be</span></div>
        <div class="userEdit"
style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">1)
            upside down (car was repainted years ago)</span></div>
        <div class="userEdit"
style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">2)
            the locking mechanisms were nonfunctional. the driver's side
            just spun and passenger </span></div>
        <div class="userEdit"
style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">side
            jammed the key</span></div>
        <div class="userEdit"
style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </div>
        <div class="userEdit"
style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">So,
            since they were going to come off the car and the chrome has
            some pimples on it,</span></div>
        <div class="userEdit"
style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;"> I
            bought a new </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">set
            from Sunbeam Specialties.</span></div>
        <div class="userEdit"
style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </div>
        <div class="userEdit"
style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">I
            tried to find Tom Ehrhart's number to ask for a
            recommendation for fixing the tumblers </span></div>
        <div class="userEdit"
style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">and </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">installing
            them in the new handles, but I've lost his </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">contact
            information.</span></div>
        <div class="userEdit"
style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </div>
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style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">Can
            anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person? I
            want to maintain</span></div>
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style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">the
            original tumblers as I'v</span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">e
            got both sets of original keys. Tumbler code is FS 901.</span></div>
        <div class="userEdit"
style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
          <div> </div>
          <div>Jim Armstrong</div>
          <div>Mk 1A</div>
          <div>382002083 LRXFE</div>
          <div>Code 86</div>
          <div>TAC # 0763</div>
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 13:55:26 -0400

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On my Tiger, the ignition keys works the door locks =E2=80=93 the trunk =
key works the center consul.

=20

Alpine Parts List =E2=80=93 Section YX

Door locks

Keys =E2=80=93 ST 801-920

Keys =E2=80=93 RM 801-920

=20

Trunk

Keys =E2=80=93 FS 876-955             Rectangular head

Keys =E2=80=93 FS 876-955             Round head

=20

If your keys work one way or another it seems to me you in good shape.

=20

If you need original, then check TBON or the Rootes Archive for the =
correct key code info.

=20

It has been a long time since I worked on any of the locks but is seems =
to me each lock cylinder has the key code stamped into it.   That is =
your start point to proceed with any change needed to make locks and =
keys work your way.

=20

Ron Fraser

=20

=20

From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of James =
Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2024 12:02 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices

=20

Hello,

=20

In the 48 years I've owned my Mk 1A, I don't think I ever locked the =
doors !

2) the locking mechanisms were nonfunctional. the driver's side just =
spun and passenger=20

side jammed the key

=20

So, since they were going to come off the car and the chrome has some =
pimples on it,

=20

I tried to find Tom Ehrhart's number to ask for a recommendation for =
fixing the tumblers=20

and installing them in the new handles, but I've lost his contact =
information.

=20

Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person? I want to =
maintain

the original tumblers as I've got both sets of original keys. Tumbler =
code is FS 901.

=20

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On my Tiger, the ignition keys works the door locks =
=E2=80=93 the trunk key works the center consul.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Alpine Parts =
List =E2=80=93 Section YX<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Door =
locks<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Keys =E2=80=93 ST =
801-920<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Keys =E2=80=93 RM =
801-920<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Trunk<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Keys =
=E2=80=93 FS =
876-955=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Rectangular head<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Keys =
=E2=80=93 FS =
876-955=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Round head<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>If your keys =
work one way or another it seems to me you in good =
shape.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>If you need original, then check TBON or the Rootes =
Archive for the correct key code info.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>It has been =
a long time since I worked on any of the locks but is seems to me each =
lock cylinder has the key code stamped into it.=C2=A0=C2=A0 That is your =
start point to proceed with any change needed to make locks and keys =
work your way.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> =
Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>James =
Armstrong via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 22, 2024 12:02 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] =
exchange door locking devices<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hel=
lo,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>In =
the 48 years I've owned my Mk 1A, I don't think I ever locked the doors =
!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>But=
 during the united 41 Concours, my doorhandles were found to =
be<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>1) =
upside down (car was repainted years =
ago)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>2) =
the locking mechanisms were nonfunctional. the driver's side just spun =
and passenger <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>sid=
e jammed the key<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>So,=
 since they were going to come off the car and the chrome has some =
pimples on it,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;I bought a new&nbsp;set from Sunbeam =
Specialties.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
tried to find Tom Ehrhart's number to ask for a recommendation for =
fixing the tumblers <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>and=
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information.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
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 anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person? I want to =
maintain<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>the=
 original tumblers as I've got both sets of original keys. Tumbler code =
is FS 901.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p =
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/"Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person?"/

Sunbeam specific..., likely they are all under the soil in the mother 
country by now.//However there are probably a craftsmen or two out there 
- somewhere/. /Hopefully some knows./
/

While some may consider this barbaric I have done the following out of 
necessity. Locks typically have either pins or wafers.

Pins://I will insert the key and play around with the pins until I find 
those that come flush with the rotating tumbler. Sometimes pins can be 
doubled up to meet that height. Other times I have filed pins to meet 
that height.  Generally there are also non-rotating, opposing pins in 
the housing. Any tumbler pin that doesn't come flush I leave it and its 
opposing pin out. While this lessens the strength of the lock to 
rotation it still offers a degree of a locking effect (better than nothing).

Wafers: I find them easier. I will juggle them around so that with the 
key inserted there is the least degree of wafer height outside the 
tumbler. Then whatever remains outside the tumbler circumference I file 
off. Again, this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation but still 
offers a degree of a locking effect.

So, if all else fails.., this is at least a functional option and given 
that historically locking was not a primary consideration you would gain 
something even if not full strength. The free spinning lock seems like 
it has no pins or wafers. The key that jams I'm not sure if you mean on 
insertion, or once inserted it wouldn't rotate. That could be 
corrosion/dirt or just the wrong key for the pin/wafer configuration.

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    <p><i>"Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person?"</i></p>
    <p>Sunbeam specific..., likely they are all under the soil in the
      mother country by now.<i> </i>However there are probably a
      craftsmen or two out there - somewhere<i>. </i>Hopefully some
      knows.<i><br>
      </i></p>
    <p>While some may consider this barbaric I have done the following
      out of necessity. Locks typically have either pins or wafers.</p>
    <p>Pins:<i> </i>I will insert the key and play around with the pins
      until I find those that come flush with the rotating tumbler.
      Sometimes pins can be doubled up to meet that height. Other times
      I have filed pins to meet that height.  Generally there are also
      non-rotating, opposing pins in the housing. Any tumbler pin that
      doesn't come flush I leave it and its opposing pin out. While this
      lessens the strength of the lock to rotation it still offers a
      degree of a locking effect (better than nothing).</p>
    <p>Wafers: I find them easier. I will juggle them around so that
      with the key inserted there is the least degree of wafer height
      outside the tumbler. Then whatever remains outside the tumbler
      circumference I file off. Again, this lessens the strength of the
      lock to rotation but still offers a degree of a locking effect.</p>
    <p>So, if all else fails.., this is at least a functional option and
      given that historically locking was not a primary consideration
      you would gain something even if not full strength. The free
      spinning lock seems like it has no pins or wafers. The key that
      jams I'm not sure if you mean on insertion, or once inserted it
      wouldn't rotate. That could be corrosion/dirt or just the wrong
      key for the pin/wafer configuration.<br>
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From: M Lafayette via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 21:54:02 +0000 (UTC)

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RE pins.=C2=A0 Anyone who works on locks will generally=C2=A0 have an assor=
tment of pins=C2=A0 75+ of various sizes.=C2=A0 No need to file down or lea=
ve out.=C2=A0 Standard pins have a slightly rounded top surface which makes=
 it easier to insert and remove key.=C2=A0 A filed pin will work,but can ca=
use the key to catch.
Attached is shown the pin assortment that is typically on hand.
In a message dated 10/23/2024 4:54:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tigers@auto=
x.team.net writes:=C2=A0

"Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person?"

Sunbeam specific..., likely they are all under the soil in the mother count=
ry by now. However there are probably a craftsmen or two out there - somewh=
ere. Hopefully some knows.

While some may consider this barbaric I have done the following out of nece=
ssity. Locks typically have either pins or wafers.

Pins: I will insert the key and play around with the pins until I find thos=
e that come flush with the rotating tumbler. Sometimes pins can be doubled =
up to meet that height. Other times I have filed pins to meet that height.=
=C2=A0 Generally there are also non-rotating, opposing pins in the housing.=
 Any tumbler pin that doesn't come flush I leave it and its opposing pin ou=
t. While this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation it still offers =
a degree of a locking effect (better than nothing).

Wafers: I find them easier. I will juggle them around so that with the key =
inserted there is the least degree of wafer height outside the tumbler. The=
n whatever remains outside the tumbler circumference I file off. Again, thi=
s lessens the strength of the lock to rotation but still offers a degree of=
 a locking effect.

So, if all else fails.., this is at least a functional option and given tha=
t historically locking was not a primary consideration you would gain somet=
hing even if not full strength. The free spinning lock seems like it has no=
 pins or wafers. The key that jams I'm not sure if you mean on insertion, o=
r once inserted it wouldn't rotate. That could be corrosion/dirt or just th=
e wrong key for the pin/wafer configuration.
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<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: bold;">Attached is shown the pin assortment that is typically on hand.</span></div>
<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: bold;"><img id="DWEB.ed462dd784cb482ba2db5577489558f9" src="cid:DWEB.ed462dd784cb482ba2db5577489558f9" data-id="DWEB.ed462dd784cb482ba2db5577489558f9"><img id="DWEB.cb528cdb23de4e47807b9ee6965db115" src="cid:DWEB.cb528cdb23de4e47807b9ee6965db115" data-id="DWEB.cb528cdb23de4e47807b9ee6965db115"></span></div>
<br>In a message dated 10/23/2024 4:54:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email-masked] writes:
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<p><em>"Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person?"</em></p>
</div>
<p>Sunbeam specific..., likely they are all under the soil in the mother country by now.<em> </em>However there are probably a craftsmen or two out there - somewhere<em>. </em>Hopefully some knows.<em><br clear="none"></em></p>
<p>While some may consider this barbaric I have done the following out of necessity. Locks typically have either pins or wafers.</p>
<p>Pins:<em> </em>I will insert the key and play around with the pins until I find those that come flush with the rotating tumbler. Sometimes pins can be doubled up to meet that height. Other times I have filed pins to meet that height.&nbsp; Generally there are also non-rotating, opposing pins in the housing. Any tumbler pin that doesn't come flush I leave it and its opposing pin out. While this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation it still offers a degree of a locking effect (better than nothing).</p>
<p>Wafers: I find them easier. I will juggle them around so that with the key inserted there is the least degree of wafer height outside the tumbler. Then whatever remains outside the tumbler circumference I file off. Again, this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation but still offers a degree of a locking effect.</p>
<p>So, if all else fails.., this is at least a functional option and given that historically locking was not a primary consideration you would gain something even if not full strength. The free spinning lock seems like it has no pins or wafers. The key that jams I'm not sure if you mean on insertion, or once inserted it wouldn't rotate. That could be corrosion/dirt or just the wrong key for the pin/wafer configuration.</p>
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Here is a picture of an ignition switch lock cylinder and key.

With the key inserted everything is flush with the lock cylinder so it =
will turn.

Pins or wafers are spring loaded, they can be removed and moved on the =
cylinder to make a key work.

=20

The other lock cylinders are similar and can be removed for inspection.

=20

Ron Fraser

=20

From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Tom Witt via =
Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2024 4:09 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices

=20

Sunbeam specific..., likely they are all under the soil in the mother =
country by now. However there are probably a craftsmen or two out there =
- somewhere. Hopefully some knows.

While some may consider this barbaric I have done the following out of =
necessity. Locks typically have either pins or wafers.

Pins: I will insert the key and play around with the pins until I find =
those that come flush with the rotating tumbler. Sometimes pins can be =
doubled up to meet that height. Other times I have filed pins to meet =
that height.  Generally there are also non-rotating, opposing pins in =
the housing. Any tumbler pin that doesn't come flush I leave it and its =
opposing pin out. While this lessens the strength of the lock to =
rotation it still offers a degree of a locking effect (better than =
nothing).

Wafers: I find them easier. I will juggle them around so that with the =
key inserted there is the least degree of wafer height outside the =
tumbler. Then whatever remains outside the tumbler circumference I file =
off. Again, this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation but still =
offers a degree of a locking effect.

So, if all else fails.., this is at least a functional option and given =
that historically locking was not a primary consideration you would gain =
something even if not full strength. The free spinning lock seems like =
it has no pins or wafers. The key that jams I'm not sure if you mean on =
insertion, or once inserted it wouldn't rotate. That could be =
corrosion/dirt or just the wrong key for the pin/wafer configuration.

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class=3DMsoNormal>Here is a picture of an ignition switch lock cylinder =
and key.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>With the key inserted =
everything is flush with the lock cylinder so it will =
turn.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Pins or wafers are spring =
loaded, they can be removed and moved on the cylinder to make a key =
work.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The other lock cylinders are similar and can be =
removed for inspection.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Witt via =
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 23, 2024 4:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] exchange door =
locking devices<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p><i>&quot;Can anyone recommend =
a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key =
person?&quot;</i><o:p></o:p></p><p>Sunbeam specific..., likely they are =
all under the soil in the mother country by now.<i> </i>However there =
are probably a craftsmen or two out there - somewhere<i>. </i>Hopefully =
some knows.<o:p></o:p></p><p>While some may consider this barbaric I =
have done the following out of necessity. Locks typically have either =
pins or wafers.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Pins:<i> </i>I will insert the key and =
play around with the pins until I find those that come flush with the =
rotating tumbler. Sometimes pins can be doubled up to meet that height. =
Other times I have filed pins to meet that height.&nbsp; Generally there =
are also non-rotating, opposing pins in the housing. Any tumbler pin =
that doesn't come flush I leave it and its opposing pin out. While this =
lessens the strength of the lock to rotation it still offers a degree of =
a locking effect (better than nothing).<o:p></o:p></p><p>Wafers: I find =
them easier. I will juggle them around so that with the key inserted =
there is the least degree of wafer height outside the tumbler. Then =
whatever remains outside the tumbler circumference I file off. Again, =
this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation but still offers a =
degree of a locking effect.<o:p></o:p></p><p>So, if all else fails.., =
this is at least a functional option and given that historically locking =
was not a primary consideration you would gain something even if not =
full strength. The free spinning lock seems like it has no pins or =
wafers. The key that jams I'm not sure if you mean on insertion, or once =
inserted it wouldn't rotate. That could be corrosion/dirt or just the =
wrong key for the pin/wafer =
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So, here is how you could restore a Tiger's locks:
Get the original key codes from the BON or british certificate place or
from the back of your locks.

Buy the correct keys.
Here is one place you can order keys with the key code:
https://www.replacementkeys.co.uk

Take the keys and locks to a locksmith that has a box of pins and get him
to fix the locks.

Should be easy?

Gary

On Wed, Oct 23, 2024 at 4:12=E2=80=AFPM M Lafayette via Tigers <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> RE pins.  Anyone who works on locks will generally  have an assortment of
> pins  75+ of various sizes.  No need to file down or leave out.  Standard
> pins have a slightly rounded top surface which makes it easier to insert
> and remove key.  A filed pin will work,but can cause the key to catch.
> In a message dated 10/23/2024 4:54:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [email-masked] writes:
>
>
> *"Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person?"*
>
> country by now. However there are probably a craftsmen or two out there -
> somewhere*. *Hopefully some knows.
>
> Pins: I will insert the key and play around with the pins until I find
> doubled up to meet that height. Other times I have filed pins to meet tha=
t
> height.  Generally there are also non-rotating, opposing pins in the
> housing. Any tumbler pin that doesn't come flush I leave it and its
> opposing pin out. While this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation
> it still offers a degree of a locking effect (better than nothing).
>
> Wafers: I find them easier. I will juggle them around so that with the ke=
y
> inserted there is the least degree of wafer height outside the tumbler.
> Then whatever remains outside the tumbler circumference I file off. Again=
,
> this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation but still offers a degr=
ee
> of a locking effect.
> something even if not full strength. The free spinning lock seems like it
> has no pins or wafers. The key that jams I'm not sure if you mean on
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>So, here is how you could restore a Tiger&#39;s locks=
:</div><div>Get the original key codes from the BON or british certificate =
place or from the back of your locks.</div><div><br></div><div>Buy the corr=
ect keys.<br></div><div>
<div>Here is one place you can order keys with the key code:</div><div><a h=
ref=3D"https://www.replacementkeys.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">https://www.rep=
lacementkeys.co.uk</a></div><div><br></div><div>Take the keys and locks to =
a locksmith that has a box of pins and get him to fix the locks.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Should be easy?</div><div><br></div><div>Gary</div><div><br>=
</div>

</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Wed, Oct 23, 2024 at 4:12=E2=80=AFPM M Lafayette via Tigers &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14pt;color:r=
gb(0,0,0)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:bo=
ld">RE pins.=C2=A0 Anyone who works on locks will generally=C2=A0 have an a=
ssortment of pins=C2=A0 75+ of various sizes.=C2=A0 No need to file down or=
 leave out.=C2=A0 Standard pins have a slightly rounded top surface which m=
akes it easier to insert and remove key.=C2=A0 A filed pin will work,but ca=
n cause the key to catch.<br></span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14pt;color:r=
gb(0,0,0)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:bo=
ld">Attached is shown the pin assortment that is typically on hand.</span><=
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<div>=C2=A0</div>
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<div id=3D"m_5575516451887461261yiv9221054212yqtfd52106">
<p><em>&quot;Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person?&q=
uot;</em></p>
</div>
<p>Sunbeam specific..., likely they are all under the soil in the mother co=
untry by now.<em> </em>However there are probably a craftsmen or two out th=
ere - somewhere<em>. </em>Hopefully some knows.<em><br clear=3D"none"></em>=
</p>
<p>While some may consider this barbaric I have done the following out of n=
ecessity. Locks typically have either pins or wafers.</p>
<p>Pins:<em> </em>I will insert the key and play around with the pins until=
 I find those that come flush with the rotating tumbler. Sometimes pins can=
 be doubled up to meet that height. Other times I have filed pins to meet t=
hat height.=C2=A0 Generally there are also non-rotating, opposing pins in t=
he housing. Any tumbler pin that doesn&#39;t come flush I leave it and its =
opposing pin out. While this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation i=
t still offers a degree of a locking effect (better than nothing).</p>
<p>Wafers: I find them easier. I will juggle them around so that with the k=
ey inserted there is the least degree of wafer height outside the tumbler. =
Then whatever remains outside the tumbler circumference I file off. Again, =
this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation but still offers a degree=
 of a locking effect.</p>
<p>So, if all else fails.., this is at least a functional option and given =
that historically locking was not a primary consideration you would gain so=
mething even if not full strength. The free spinning lock seems like it has=
 no pins or wafers. The key that jams I&#39;m not sure if you mean on inser=
tion, or once inserted it wouldn&#39;t rotate. That could be corrosion/dirt=
 or just the wrong key for the pin/wafer configuration.</p>
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Dave Hall has lot of lock info and has had write ups in the review

On Thu, Oct 24, 2024, 10:32=E2=80=AFAM Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wr=
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> With the key inserted everything is flush with the lock cylinder so it
> will turn.
>
> Pins or wafers are spring loaded, they can be removed and moved on the
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Tom Witt
> via Tigers
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2024 4:09 PM
> *To:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Dave Hall has lot of lock info and has had write ups in the =
review</p>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu=
, Oct 24, 2024, 10:32=E2=80=AFAM Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rfraser@b=
luefrog.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div c=
lass=3D"m_6772666569837600944WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here is a=
 picture of an ignition switch lock cylinder and key.<u></u><u></u></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">With the key inserted everything is flush with the lock =
cylinder so it will turn.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pins or w=
afers are spring loaded, they can be removed and moved on the cylinder to m=
ake a key work.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The other lock cylinders are similar and can be=
 removed for inspection.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;borde=
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arget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <=
b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Witt via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 2=
3, 2024 4:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</=
b> Re: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices<u></u><u></u></p></div></div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p><i>&quot;Can anyone recom=
mend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person?&quot;</i><u></u><u></u></p><p>=
Sunbeam specific..., likely they are all under the soil in the mother count=
ry by now.<i> </i>However there are probably a craftsmen or two out there -=
 somewhere<i>. </i>Hopefully some knows.<u></u><u></u></p><p>While some may=
 consider this barbaric I have done the following out of necessity. Locks t=
ypically have either pins or wafers.<u></u><u></u></p><p>Pins:<i> </i>I wil=
l insert the key and play around with the pins until I find those that come=
 flush with the rotating tumbler. Sometimes pins can be doubled up to meet =
that height. Other times I have filed pins to meet that height.=C2=A0 Gener=
ally there are also non-rotating, opposing pins in the housing. Any tumbler=
 pin that doesn&#39;t come flush I leave it and its opposing pin out. While=
 this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation it still offers a degree=
 of a locking effect (better than nothing).<u></u><u></u></p><p>Wafers: I f=
ind them easier. I will juggle them around so that with the key inserted th=
ere is the least degree of wafer height outside the tumbler. Then whatever =
remains outside the tumbler circumference I file off. Again, this lessens t=
he strength of the lock to rotation but still offers a degree of a locking =
effect.<u></u><u></u></p><p>So, if all else fails.., this is at least a fun=
ctional option and given that historically locking was not a primary consid=
eration you would gain something even if not full strength. The free spinni=
ng lock seems like it has no pins or wafers. The key that jams I&#39;m not =
sure if you mean on insertion, or once inserted it wouldn&#39;t rotate. Tha=
t could be corrosion/dirt or just the wrong key for the pin/wafer configura=
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Except as has been pointed out, I evidently have the wrong tumblers in 
my doors.  Anyone have any for sale?

B382000331

On 10/24/2024 10:19 AM, Gary Winblad wrote:
> Get the original key codes from the BON or british certificate place 
> or from the back of your locks.
>
> Buy the correct keys.
> Take the keys and locks to a locksmith that has a box of pins and get 
> him to fix the locks.
>
> Should be easy?
>
> Gary
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2024 at 4:12 PM M Lafayette via Tigers 
> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>     RE pins. Anyone who works on locks will generally  have an
>     assortment of pins  75+ of various sizes.  No need to file down or
>     leave out.  Standard pins have a slightly rounded top surface
>     which makes it easier to insert and remove key.  A filed pin will
>     work,but can cause the key to catch.
>         Sunbeam specific..., likely they are all under the soil in the
>         mother country by now.//However there are probably a craftsmen
>         or two out there - somewhere/. /Hopefully some knows./
>         /
>
>         While some may consider this barbaric I have done the
>         following out of necessity. Locks typically have either pins
>         or wafers.
>
>         Pins://I will insert the key and play around with the pins
>         Sometimes pins can be doubled up to meet that height. Other
>         times I have filed pins to meet that height.  Generally there
>         are also non-rotating, opposing pins in the housing. Any
>         tumbler pin that doesn't come flush I leave it and its
>         opposing pin out. While this lessens the strength of the lock
>         to rotation it still offers a degree of a locking effect
>         (better than nothing).
>
>         Wafers: I find them easier. I will juggle them around so that
>         with the key inserted there is the least degree of wafer
>         height outside the tumbler. Then whatever remains outside the
>         tumbler circumference I file off. Again, this lessens the
>         strength of the lock to rotation but still offers a degree of
>         a locking effect.
>
>         So, if all else fails.., this is at least a functional option
>         and given that historically locking was not a primary
>         consideration you would gain something even if not full
>         strength. The free spinning lock seems like it has no pins or
>         wafers. The key that jams I'm not sure if you mean on
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    <p>Except as has been pointed out, I evidently have the wrong
      tumblers in my doors.  Anyone have any for sale?</p>
    <p>B382000331<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/24/2024 10:19 AM, Gary Winblad
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CADoP9Fdy0Q-BRxg0EMMukK8FFwk7x=[email-masked]">
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        <div>So, here is how you could restore a Tiger's locks:</div>
        <div>Get the original key codes from the BON or british
          certificate place or from the back of your locks.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Buy the correct keys.<br>
        </div>
        <div>
          <div>Here is one place you can order keys with the key code:</div>
          <div><a href="https://www.replacementkeys.co.uk"
              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.replacementkeys.co.uk</a></div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Take the keys and locks to a locksmith that has a box of
            pins and get him to fix the locks.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Should be easy?</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Gary</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 23, 2024 at
          4:12 PM M Lafayette via Tigers &lt;<a
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            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:bold">RE pins. 
                Anyone who works on locks will generally  have an
                assortment of pins  75+ of various sizes.  No need to
                file down or leave out.  Standard pins have a slightly
                rounded top surface which makes it easier to insert and
                remove key.  A filed pin will work,but can cause the key
                to catch.<br>
              </span></div>
            <div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:bold">Attached is
                shown the pin assortment that is typically on hand.</span></div>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:bold"><img
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                      <p><em>"Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam
                          lock and key person?"</em></p>
                    </div>
                    <p>Sunbeam specific..., likely they are all under
                      the soil in the mother country by now.<em> </em>However
                      there are probably a craftsmen or two out there -
                      somewhere<em>. </em>Hopefully some knows.<em><br
                          clear="none">
                      </em></p>
                    <p>While some may consider this barbaric I have done
                      the following out of necessity. Locks typically
                      have either pins or wafers.</p>
                    <p>Pins:<em> </em>I will insert the key and play
                      around with the pins until I find those that come
                      flush with the rotating tumbler. Sometimes pins
                      can be doubled up to meet that height. Other times
                      I have filed pins to meet that height.  Generally
                      there are also non-rotating, opposing pins in the
                      housing. Any tumbler pin that doesn't come flush I
                      leave it and its opposing pin out. While this
                      lessens the strength of the lock to rotation it
                      still offers a degree of a locking effect (better
                      than nothing).</p>
                    <p>Wafers: I find them easier. I will juggle them
                      around so that with the key inserted there is the
                      least degree of wafer height outside the tumbler.
                      Then whatever remains outside the tumbler
                      circumference I file off. Again, this lessens the
                      strength of the lock to rotation but still offers
                      a degree of a locking effect.</p>
                    <p>So, if all else fails.., this is at least a
                      functional option and given that historically
                      locking was not a primary consideration you would
                      gain something even if not full strength. The free
                      spinning lock seems like it has no pins or wafers.
                      The key that jams I'm not sure if you mean on
                      insertion, or once inserted it wouldn't rotate.
                      That could be corrosion/dirt or just the wrong key
                      for the pin/wafer configuration.</p>
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:38:23 +0000 (UTC)

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I haven't had any of my locks apart, so not sure of the following. If the "=
keyway" ( the place where you slide the key in ) is the same for all locks,=
 any locksmith should be able to repin the cylinders to match whatever key =
you provide.=C2=A0 It's possible that it could be set up so that only one k=
ey is needed for all locks.=C2=A0 Again, not sure if all keyways are the sa=
me on a Tiger.=C2=A0 If they are the only question for the purist is findin=
g blanks that match the originals exactly. And I think 2 different blanks w=
ere used on the original cars.....one with a squared off head and one with =
a more rounded or oval head.

In a message dated 10/24/2024 12:23:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tigers@aut=
ox.team.net writes:=C2=A0

Except as has been pointed out, I evidently have the wrong tumblers in my d=
oors.=C2=A0 Anyone have any for sale?

B382000331
On 10/24/2024 10:19 AM, Gary Winblad wrote:So, here is how you could restor=
e a Tiger's locks:Get the original key codes from the BON or british certif=
icate place or from the back of your locks.=C2=A0Buy the correct keys.Here =
is one place you can order keys with the key code:https://www.replacementke=
ys.co.uk=C2=A0Take the keys and locks to a locksmith that has a box of pins=
 and get him to fix the locks.=C2=A0Should be easy?=C2=A0Gary=C2=A0
On Wed, Oct 23, 2024 at 4:12=E2=80=AFPM M Lafayette via Tigers <tigers@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:
RE pins.=C2=A0 Anyone who works on locks will generally=C2=A0 have an assor=
tment of pins=C2=A0 75+ of various sizes.=C2=A0 No need to file down or lea=
ve out.=C2=A0 Standard pins have a slightly rounded top surface which makes=
 it easier to insert and remove key.=C2=A0 A filed pin will work,but can ca=
use the key to catch.
Attached is shown the pin assortment that is typically on hand.
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<div class=3D"userEdit" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);=
 font-style: normal; font-weight: bold;">I haven't had any of my locks apar=
t, so not sure of the following. If the "keyway" ( the place where you slid=
e the key in ) is the same for all locks, any locksmith should be able to r=
epin the cylinders to match whatever key you provide.&nbsp; It's possible t=
hat it could be set up so that only one key is needed for all locks.&nbsp; =
Again, not sure if all keyways are the same on a Tiger.&nbsp; If they are t=
he only question for the purist is finding blanks that match the originals =
exactly. And I think 2 different blanks were used on the original cars.....=
one with a squared off head and one with a more rounded or oval head.<br></=
span></div>
<br>In a message dated 10/24/2024 12:23:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tigers=
@autox.team.net writes:
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<p>Except as has been pointed out, I evidently have the wrong tumblers in m=
y doors.&nbsp; Anyone have any for sale?</p>
<p>B382000331</p>
<div class=3D"yiv1452924369moz-cite-prefix">On 10/24/2024 10:19 AM, Gary Wi=
nblad wrote:</div>
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<div>So, here is how you could restore a Tiger's locks:</div>
<div>Get the original key codes from the BON or british certificate place o=
r from the back of your locks.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Buy the correct keys.</div>
<div>
<div>Here is one place you can order keys with the key code:</div>
<div><a class=3D"yiv1452924369moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://www.re=
placementkeys.co.uk" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer"=
 shape=3D"rect">https://www.replacementkeys.co.uk</a></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Take the keys and locks to a locksmith that has a box of pins and get =
him to fix the locks.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Should be easy?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Gary</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv1452924369gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Oct 23, 2024 at =
4:12=E2=80=AFPM M Lafayette via Tigers &lt;<a class=3D"yiv1452924369moz-txt=
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<div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; c=
olor: rgb(0,0,0);"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0,0,0); font-style: normal; fo=
nt-weight: bold;">RE pins.&nbsp; Anyone who works on locks will generally&n=
bsp; have an assortment of pins&nbsp; 75+ of various sizes.&nbsp; No need t=
o file down or leave out.&nbsp; Standard pins have a slightly rounded top s=
urface which makes it easier to insert and remove key.&nbsp; A filed pin wi=
ll work,but can cause the key to catch.<br clear=3D"none"></span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; c=
olor: rgb(0,0,0);"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0,0,0); font-style: normal; fo=
nt-weight: bold;">Attached is shown the pin assortment that is typically on=
 hand.</span></div>
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<br clear=3D"none">In a message dated 10/23/2024 4:54:53 PM Eastern Dayligh=
t Time, <a class=3D"yiv1452924369moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto:tige=
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<p><em>"Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person?"</em><=
/p>
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<p>Sunbeam specific..., likely they are all under the soil in the mother co=
untry by now.<em> </em>However there are probably a craftsmen or two out th=
ere - somewhere<em>. </em>Hopefully some knows.<em><br clear=3D"none"></em>=
</p>
<p>While some may consider this barbaric I have done the following out of n=
ecessity. Locks typically have either pins or wafers.</p>
<p>Pins:<em> </em>I will insert the key and play around with the pins until=
 I find those that come flush with the rotating tumbler. Sometimes pins can=
 be doubled up to meet that height. Other times I have filed pins to meet t=
hat height.&nbsp; Generally there are also non-rotating, opposing pins in t=
he housing. Any tumbler pin that doesn't come flush I leave it and its oppo=
sing pin out. While this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation it st=
ill offers a degree of a locking effect (better than nothing).</p>
<p>Wafers: I find them easier. I will juggle them around so that with the k=
ey inserted there is the least degree of wafer height outside the tumbler. =
Then whatever remains outside the tumbler circumference I file off. Again, =
this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation but still offers a degree=
 of a locking effect.</p>
<p>So, if all else fails.., this is at least a functional option and given =
that historically locking was not a primary consideration you would gain so=
mething even if not full strength. The free spinning lock seems like it has=
 no pins or wafers. The key that jams I'm not sure if you mean on insertion=
, or once inserted it wouldn't rotate. That could be corrosion/dirt or just=
 the wrong key for the pin/wafer configuration.</p>
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Found this link for sunbeam locks.

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<https://forum.sunbeamalpine.org/index.php?threads/sunbeam-alpine-tiger-r=
ebuilding-and-re-fitting-door-handles-and-locks.29310/> Sunbeam Alpine & =
Tiger: Rebuilding and re-fitting door handles and locks. | SAOCA Forum

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Maybe it will help.

Ron Fraser

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tiger-rebuilding-and-re-fitting-door-handles-and-locks.29310/"><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>Sunbeam Alpine &amp; Tiger: Rebuilding and =
re-fitting door handles and locks. | SAOCA =
Forum</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Maybe it =
will help.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron =
Fraser<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 24, 2024 10:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
'Tom Witt' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] exchange door =
locking devices<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Here is a =
picture of an ignition switch lock cylinder and key.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>With the key inserted everything is flush with the =
lock cylinder so it will turn.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Pins =
or wafers are spring loaded, they can be removed and moved on the =
cylinder to make a key work.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The other =
lock cylinders are similar and can be removed for =
inspection.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Witt via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Wednesday, October 23, 2024 4:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Sub=
ject:</b> Re: [Tigers] exchange door locking =
devices<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p><i>&quot;Can anyone recommend =
a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key =
person?&quot;</i><o:p></o:p></p><p>Sunbeam specific..., likely they are =
all under the soil in the mother country by now.<i> </i>However there =
are probably a craftsmen or two out there - somewhere<i>. </i>Hopefully =
some knows.<o:p></o:p></p><p>While some may consider this barbaric I =
have done the following out of necessity. Locks typically have either =
pins or wafers.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Pins:<i> </i>I will insert the key and =
play around with the pins until I find those that come flush with the =
rotating tumbler. Sometimes pins can be doubled up to meet that height. =
Other times I have filed pins to meet that height.&nbsp; Generally there =
are also non-rotating, opposing pins in the housing. Any tumbler pin =
that doesn't come flush I leave it and its opposing pin out. While this =
lessens the strength of the lock to rotation it still offers a degree of =
a locking effect (better than nothing).<o:p></o:p></p><p>Wafers: I find =
them easier. I will juggle them around so that with the key inserted =
there is the least degree of wafer height outside the tumbler. Then =
whatever remains outside the tumbler circumference I file off. Again, =
this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation but still offers a =
degree of a locking effect.<o:p></o:p></p><p>So, if all else fails.., =
this is at least a functional option and given that historically locking =
was not a primary consideration you would gain something even if not =
full strength. The free spinning lock seems like it has no pins or =
wafers. The key that jams I'm not sure if you mean on insertion, or once =
inserted it wouldn't rotate. That could be corrosion/dirt or just the =
wrong key for the pin/wafer =
configuration.<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>
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