Subject: Re: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging

From: "Ron Fraser" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 11:38:04 -0400

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Stu

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Always difficult to troubleshoot remotely.

=20

You may have to do standard checks on all systems =E2=80=93 air, fuel =
and spark

Alcohol in the fuel can tear up hoses and gaskets

Check to make sure fuel filter is OK

Check for vacuum leaks=20

=20

My 1st thought =E2=80=93 the fuel level is high

Check the float level and check for any debris in the float bowl

=20

Remove the air filter and idle engine to see if it is an air flow =
problem.=20

=20

Hope this helps

Ron Fraser

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From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Stu
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2024 9:57 AM
To: Tiger Net <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging

=20

Ok, so I got the vacuum advance sorted and reset the timing, etc.  But =
now there's another issue.

=20

The car starts and warms up normally, choke opening, temperature gauge =
coming up to the thermostat temp, etc. But then it starts surging at =
idle.  Accelerating, driving both seem fine.  But when it goes back to =
idle, waiting at a stoplight or something, it starts having these little =
dips, which soon become larger dips, to the point where it stops.  It =
restarts right away, then does it again.  At a stoplight I have to left =
foot brake so that I can keep my foot on the throttle to keep it alive.  =
=20

=20

Here's a video I shot in the garage as it started to do it after warming =
up.  Anybody seen this before or... cured it?

=20

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class=3DMsoNormal>Stu<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Always =
difficult to troubleshoot remotely.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>You may have =
to do standard checks on all systems =E2=80=93 air, fuel and =
spark<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Alcohol in the fuel can tear up =
hoses and gaskets<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Check to make sure =
fuel filter is OK<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Check for vacuum =
leaks <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>My 1<sup>st</sup> thought =E2=80=93 the fuel level is =
high<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Check the float level and check =
for any debris in the float bowl<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Remove the =
air filter and idle engine to see if it is an air flow problem. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hope this helps<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> =
Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Stu<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 31, 2024 9:57 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Tiger Net &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] The =
latest problem: Surging<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Ok, so I got the =
vacuum advance sorted and reset the timing, etc.&nbsp; But now there's =
another issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>The car starts and =
warms up normally, choke opening, temperature gauge coming up to the =
thermostat temp, etc. But then it starts surging at idle.&nbsp; =
Accelerating, driving both seem fine.&nbsp; But when it goes back to =
idle, waiting at a stoplight or something, it starts having these little =
dips, which soon become larger dips, to the point where it stops.&nbsp; =
It restarts right away, then does it again.&nbsp; At a stoplight I have =
to left foot brake so that I can keep my foot on the throttle to keep it =
alive.&nbsp; &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Here's a video I shot =
in the garage as it started to do it after warming up.&nbsp; Anybody =
seen this before or... cured it?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
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Isn't idle surging typically from a carburetor low float setting?

On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 11:45=E2=80=AFAM Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

> You may have to do standard checks on all systems =E2=80=93 air, fuel and=
 spark
> Check for vacuum leaks
> Remove the air filter and idle engine to see if it is an air flow problem=
.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Stu
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 31, 2024 9:57 AM
> *To:* Tiger Net <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging
>
>
>
> Ok, so I got the vacuum advance sorted and reset the timing, etc.  But no=
w
> there's another issue.
>
>
>
> The car starts and warms up normally, choke opening, temperature gauge
> coming up to the thermostat temp, etc. But then it starts surging at idle=
.
> Accelerating, driving both seem fine.  But when it goes back to idle,
> waiting at a stoplight or something, it starts having these little dips,
> which soon become larger dips, to the point where it stops.  It restarts
> right away, then does it again.  At a stoplight I have to left foot brake
> so that I can keep my foot on the throttle to keep it alive.
>
>
>
> Here's a video I shot in the garage as it started to do it after warming
ZOY?rlkey=3Ds9h2q3sal042y9z3t5oav2uwt&dl=3D0
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,=
sans-serif;font-size:small">Isn&#39;t idle surging typically from a carbure=
tor low float setting?</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 11:45=E2=80=AFAM Ron =
Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div=
 class=3D"msg-8286323312314437745"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"m_-828=
6323312314437745WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Stu<u></u><u></u></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Always=
 difficult to troubleshoot remotely.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">You may have to do standar=
d checks on all systems =E2=80=93 air, fuel and spark<u></u><u></u></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">Alcohol in the fuel can tear up hoses and gaskets<u></u>=
<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Check to make sure fuel filter is OK<u></=
u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Check for vacuum leaks <u></u><u></u></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">My =
1<sup>st</sup> thought =E2=80=93 the fuel level is high<u></u><u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">Check the float level and check for any debris in the =
float bowl<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Remove the air filter and idle engine to see if it i=
s an air flow problem. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hope this helps<u></u><u></u></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@aut=
ox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>Stu<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 31, 2024 9:57 AM<br><b>T=
o:</b> Tiger Net &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] The latest p=
roblem: Surging<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></p><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">O=
k, so I got the vacuum advance sorted and reset the timing, etc.=C2=A0 But =
now there&#39;s another issue.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">The car =
starts and warms up normally, choke opening, temperature gauge coming up to=
 the thermostat temp, etc. But then it starts surging at idle.=C2=A0 Accele=
rating, driving both seem fine.=C2=A0 But when it goes back to idle, waitin=
g at a stoplight or something, it starts having these little dips, which so=
on become larger dips, to the point where it stops.=C2=A0 It restarts right=
 away, then does it again.=C2=A0 At a stoplight I have to left foot brake s=
o that I can keep my foot on the throttle to keep it alive.=C2=A0 =C2=A0<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:12pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Here&#39;s a video I shot in the garage as=
 it started to do it after warming up.=C2=A0 Anybody seen this before or...=
 cured it?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
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From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 15:42:00 -0400

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I think a low float condition would not let it drive fine.

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Many conditions can contribute to idle surging so it starts with a =
process of elimination.

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Systems need to be checked =E2=80=93 air, fuel and spark =E2=80=93 loose =
wire connection, vacuum

=20

Ron Fraser

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From: Rob Hogan <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2024 3:18 PM
To: Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>
Cc: Stu <[email-masked]>; Tiger Net <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging

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On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 11:45=E2=80=AFAM Ron Fraser =

Stu

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Hope this helps

Ron Fraser

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From: Tigers <[email-masked] =
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2024 9:57 AM
Subject: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>I think a =
low float condition would not let it drive fine.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Many =
conditions can contribute to idle surging so it starts with a process of =
elimination.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Systems need to be checked =E2=80=93 air, fuel and =
spark =E2=80=93 loose wire connection, vacuum<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> =
Rob Hogan &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, =
August 31, 2024 3:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ron Fraser =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Stu =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Tiger Net =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] The latest =
problem: Surging<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Isn't idle =
surging typically from a carburetor low float =
setting?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 11:45=E2=80=AFAM Ron Fraser &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
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class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Stu<o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Always =
difficult to troubleshoot remotely.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>You may =
have to do standard checks on all systems =E2=80=93 air, fuel and =
spark<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Alcohol in =
the fuel can tear up hoses and gaskets<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Check to =
make sure fuel filter is OK<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Check for =
vacuum leaks <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>My =
1<sup>st</sup> thought =E2=80=93 the fuel level is high<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Check the =
float level and check for any debris in the float bowl<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Remove the =
air filter and idle engine to see if it is an air flow problem. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hope this =
helps<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>=
 Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Stu<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 31, 2024 9:57 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Tiger Net &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> =
[Tigers] The latest problem: Surging<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Ok, so I got the vacuum advance sorted and =
reset the timing, etc.&nbsp; But now there's another =
issue.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>The car starts and warms up normally, choke =
opening, temperature gauge coming up to the thermostat temp, etc. But =
then it starts surging at idle.&nbsp; Accelerating, driving both seem =
fine.&nbsp; But when it goes back to idle, waiting at a stoplight or =
something, it starts having these little dips, which soon become larger =
dips, to the point where it stops.&nbsp; It restarts right away, then =
does it again.&nbsp; At a stoplight I have to left foot brake so that I =
can keep my foot on the throttle to keep it alive.&nbsp; =
&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Here's a video I shot in the garage as it =
started to do it after warming up.&nbsp; Anybody seen this before or... =
cured it?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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href=3D"https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/0613ys0iegdndjhnjt5a8/AIcza8ouXqEs=
p57qLWSlZOY?rlkey=3Ds9h2q3sal042y9z3t5oav2uwt&amp;dl=3D0" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/0613ys0iegdndjhnjt5a8/AI=
cza8ouXqEsp57qLWSlZOY?rlkey=3Ds9h2q3sal042y9z3t5oav2uwt&amp;dl=3D0</a><o:=
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I had the same symptoms years ago.=C2=A0 Leak in the vaccuum going to the P=
CV valve.=C2=A0 I'm betting that's the issue.=C2=A0 Or possibly a bad PCV v=
alve, but I still think it's=C2=A0 a bad line going to the valve.=C2=A0
Mark L
In a message dated 8/31/2024 3:49:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tigers@autox=
.team.net writes:=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Many conditions can contribute to idle surging so it starts with a process =
of elimination.

=C2=A0

Systems need to be checked =E2=80=93 air, fuel and spark =E2=80=93 loose wi=
re connection, vacuum

=C2=A0

Ron Fraser

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Stu

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

You may have to do standard checks on all systems =E2=80=93 air, fuel and s=
park

Check for vacuum leaks

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Remove the air filter and idle engine to see if it is an air flow problem.

=C2=A0

Hope this helps

Ron Fraser

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Ok, so I got the vacuum advance sorted and reset the timing, etc.=C2=A0 But=
 now there's another issue.

=C2=A0

The car starts and warms up normally, choke opening, temperature gauge comi=
ng up to the thermostat temp, etc. But then it starts surging at idle.=C2=
=A0 Accelerating, driving both seem fine.=C2=A0 But when it goes back to id=
le, waiting at a stoplight or something, it starts having these little dips=
, which soon become larger dips, to the point where it stops.=C2=A0 It rest=
arts right away, then does it again.=C2=A0 At a stoplight I have to left fo=
ot brake so that I can keep my foot on the throttle to keep it alive.=C2=A0=
 =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Here's a video I shot in the garage as it started to do it after warming up=
.=C2=A0 Anybody seen this before or... cured it?

=C2=A0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/0613ys0iegdndjhnjt5a8/AIcza8ouXqEsp57qLWSlZO=
Y?rlkey=3Ds9h2q3sal042y9z3t5oav2uwt&dl=3D0

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<div>
<div class=3D"userEdit" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);=
 font-style: normal; font-weight: bold;">I had the same symptoms years ago.=
&nbsp; Leak in the vaccuum going to the PCV valve.&nbsp; I'm betting that's=
 the issue.&nbsp; Or possibly a bad PCV valve, but I still think it's&nbsp;=
 a bad line going to the valve.&nbsp;<br></span></div>
<div class=3D"userEdit" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);=
 font-style: normal; font-weight: bold;">Mark L</span></div>
<br>In a message dated 8/31/2024 3:49:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tigers@a=
utox.team.net writes:
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"quotedReply">
<blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: blue=
 2px solid;">
<div id=3D"yiv8325011580">
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv8325011580WordSection1">
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">I think a low float condition would not=
 let it drive fine.</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">Many conditions can contribute to idle =
surging so it starts with a process of elimination.</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">Systems need to be checked &ndash; air,=
 fuel and spark &ndash; loose wire connection, vacuum</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<div id=3D"yiv8325011580yqt08769" class=3D"yiv8325011580yqt8696563025">
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Rob Hogan &lt;ro=
[email-masked]&gt; <br clear=3D"none"><strong>Sent:</strong> Saturday=
, August 31, 2024 3:18 PM<br clear=3D"none"><strong>To:</strong> Ron Fraser=
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><strong>Cc:</strong> Stu &l=
t;[email-masked]&gt;; Tiger Net &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=
=3D"none"><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surgin=
g</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif;">Isn't idle surging typically from a carburetor low flo=
at setting?</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 11:45=E2=80=AFA=
M Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border: none; border-left: solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt; paddin=
g: 0in 0in 0in 6.0pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">Stu</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">Always difficult to troubleshoot remote=
ly.</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">You may have to do standard checks on a=
ll systems &ndash; air, fuel and spark</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">Alcohol in the fuel can tear up hoses a=
nd gaskets</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">Check to make sure fuel filter is OK</p=
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">Check for vacuum leaks</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">My 1<sup>st</sup> thought &ndash; the f=
uel level is high</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">Check the float level and check for any=
 debris in the float bowl</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">Remove the air filter and idle engine t=
o see if it is an air flow problem.</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">Hope this helps</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Tigers &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofoll=
ow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Stu<br clear=3D"none"><strong>Sent:</strong=
> Saturday, August 31, 2024 9:57 AM<br clear=3D"none"><strong>To:</strong> =
Tiger Net &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" re=
l=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><strong>Subject:</strong> [Tigers] The latest proble=
m: Surging</p>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">Ok, =
so I got the vacuum advance sorted and reset the timing, etc.&nbsp; But now=
 there's another issue.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">&nbs=
p;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">The =
car starts and warms up normally, choke opening, temperature gauge coming u=
p to the thermostat temp, etc. But then it starts surging at idle.&nbsp; Ac=
celerating, driving both seem fine.&nbsp; But when it goes back to idle, wa=
iting at a stoplight or something, it starts having these little dips, whic=
h soon become larger dips, to the point where it stops.&nbsp; It restarts r=
ight away, then does it again.&nbsp; At a stoplight I have to left foot bra=
ke so that I can keep my foot on the throttle to keep it alive.&nbsp; &nbsp=
;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">&nbs=
p;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">Here=
's a video I shot in the garage as it started to do it after warming up.&nb=
sp; Anybody seen this before or... cured it?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv8325011580MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">&nbs=
p;</span></p>
</div>
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fo/0613ys0iegdndjhnjt5a8/AIcza8ouXqEsp57qLWSlZOY?rlkey=3Ds9h2q3sal042y9z3t5=
oav2uwt&amp;dl=3D0" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" =
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uXqEsp57qLWSlZOY?rlkey=3Ds9h2q3sal042y9z3t5oav2uwt&amp;dl=3D0</a></p>
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 what I have learned with my Porsche, surging idle is when it is too rich. &=
nbsp;How is the fuel ratio set on this carb? &nbsp;On the Porsche it is an i=
dle jet and an air bypass screw.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div d=
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">I think a low float condition would not let it drive fine.<o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Man=
y conditions can contribute to idle surging so it starts with a process of e=
limination.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">Systems need to be checked =E2=80=93 air, fuel and spark =E2=
=80=93 loose wire connection, vacuum<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:=
</b> Rob Hogan &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, Aug=
ust 31, 2024 3:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ron Fraser &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<b=
r><b>Cc:</b> Stu &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Tiger Net &lt;[email-masked]=
m.net&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging<o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,san=
s-serif">Isn't idle surging typically from a carburetor low float setting?<o=
:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=
<div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 11:45=E2=80=AFAM Ro=
n Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-lef=
t:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-rig=
ht:0in"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:au=
to;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Stu<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" styl=
e=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto">Always difficult to troubleshoot remotely.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt:auto">You may have to do standard checks on all systems =E2=
=80=93 air, fuel and spark<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso=
-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Alcohol in the fuel can tea=
r up hoses and gaskets<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-mar=
gin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Check to make sure fuel filter i=
s OK<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;m=
so-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Check for vacuum leaks <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt:auto">My 1<sup>st</sup> thought =E2=80=93 the fuel level=
 is high<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:au=
to;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Check the float level and check for any debri=
s in the float bowl<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin=
-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Remov=
e the air filter and idle engine to see if it is an air flow problem. <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-=
bottom-alt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-ma=
rgin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hope this helps<o:p></o:p></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto">Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-=
top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">&nbsp;=
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-m=
argin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-boun=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <=
b>On Behalf Of </b>Stu<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 31, 2024 9:57 AM<br>=
<b>To:</b> Tiger Net &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] The latest=
 problem: Surging<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-t=
op-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Ok, so I got the vacuum advance sor=
ted and reset the timing, etc.&nbsp; But now there's another issue.</span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:a=
uto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-a=
lt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">The car=
 starts and warms up normally, choke opening, temperature gauge coming up to=
 the thermostat temp, etc. But then it starts surging at idle.&nbsp; Acceler=
ating, driving both seem fine.&nbsp; But when it goes back to idle, waiting a=
t a stoplight or something, it starts having these little dips, which soon b=
ecome larger dips, to the point where it stops.&nbsp; It restarts right away=
, then does it again.&nbsp; At a stoplight I have to left foot brake so that=
 I can keep my foot on the throttle to keep it alive.&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><o:=
p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:au=
to;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;</span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-al=
t:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Here's a=
 video I shot in the garage as it started to do it after warming up.&nbsp; A=
nybody seen this before or... cured it?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:au=
to"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto"><a href=3D"https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/0613ys0iegdndjhnjt5a8/AIcz=
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qLWSlZOY?rlkey=3Ds9h2q3sal042y9z3t5oav2uwt&amp;dl=3D0</a><o:p></o:p></p></di=
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I should have added this info at the start:  Stock 260, original carb,
original points type ignition.

Things I've tried since my original message:

Tightened the nuts on the carb mounting studs, and the screws that hold the
top on, nothing was loose

All the electrical connections seem tight, no corrosion.

Let the car warm up again, and it started doing it a little.

The old carb cleaner trick:  I sprayed carb cleaner all over anything that
might have a vacuum leak,carb base, hoses, and so on...  nothing happened

With the timing light connected, I watched the advance as a couple dips
happened... no change, timing was right where I left it, and I could not
detect any missing flashes during the dip.

And, after a few minutes, it stopped doing it.

So that's it for today.  Tomorrow is busy, Monday I'll take it for a drive
and see if it's any different, or if any more clues appear.

On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 4:54=E2=80=AFPM M Lafayette via Tigers <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> I had the same symptoms years ago.  Leak in the vaccuum going to the PCV
> valve.  I'm betting that's the issue.  Or possibly a bad PCV valve, but I
> still think it's  a bad line going to the valve.
> Mark L
>
> In a message dated 8/31/2024 3:49:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [email-masked] writes:
>
>
> Many conditions can contribute to idle surging so it starts with a proces=
s
> Systems need to be checked =E2=80=93 air, fuel and spark =E2=80=93 loose =
wire connection,
> vacuum
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Rob Hogan <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 31, 2024 3:18 PM
> *To:* Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* Stu <[email-masked]>; Tiger Net <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 11:45=E2=80=AFAM Ron Fraser <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
>
> Stu
>
>
>
 spark
.
w
.
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I s=
hould have added this info at the start:=C2=A0 Stock 260, original carb, or=
iginal points type ignition.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:sma=
ll">Things I&#39;ve tried since my original message:</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-size:small">Tightened the nuts on the carb mounting studs, =
and the screws that hold the top on, nothing was loose</div><div class=3D"g=
mail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-size:small">All the electrical connections seem tight, no=
 corrosion.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Let the car w=
arm up again, and it started doing it a little.</div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"font-size:small">The old carb cleaner trick:=C2=A0 I sprayed carb cle=
aner all over anything that might have a vacuum leak,carb base, hoses, and =
so on...=C2=A0 nothing happened</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:=
small">With the timing light connected, I watched the advance as a couple d=
ips happened... no change, timing was right where I left it, and I could no=
t detect any missing flashes during the dip.</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-size:small">And, after a few minutes, it stopped doing it.</div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">So that&#39;s it for today.=C2=
=A0 Tomorrow is busy, Monday I&#39;ll take it for a drive and see if it&#39=
;s any different, or if any more clues appear.</div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at=
 4:54=E2=80=AFPM M Lafayette via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.=
team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14pt;color:r=
gb(0,0,0)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:bo=
ld">I had the same symptoms years ago.=C2=A0 Leak in the vaccuum going to t=
he PCV valve.=C2=A0 I&#39;m betting that&#39;s the issue.=C2=A0 Or possibly=
 a bad PCV valve, but I still think it&#39;s=C2=A0 a bad line going to the =
valve.=C2=A0<br></span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14pt;color:r=
gb(0,0,0)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:bo=
ld">Mark L</span></div>
<br>In a message dated 8/31/2024 3:49:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a> writes:
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px;border-left:2px solid=
 blue">
<div id=3D"m_8009456528955968275m_8685979321128247961yiv8325011580">
<div>
<div>
<p>I think a low float condition would not let it drive fine.</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p>Many conditions can contribute to idle surging so it starts with a proce=
ss of elimination.</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p>Systems need to be checked =E2=80=93 air, fuel and spark =E2=80=93 loose=
 wire connection, vacuum</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p>Ron Fraser</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<div id=3D"m_8009456528955968275m_8685979321128247961yiv8325011580yqt08769"=
<p><strong>From:</strong> Rob Hogan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robertdhogan@gmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br clear=3D"none">=
<strong>Sent:</strong> Saturday, August 31, 2024 3:18 PM<br clear=3D"none">=
<strong>To:</strong> Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><strong>C=
c:</strong> Stu &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Tiger Net &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Tigers@autox=
.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none=
"><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<div>
<div>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:sans-serif">Isn&#39;t idle sur=
ging typically from a carburetor low float setting?</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<div>
<div>
<p>On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 11:45=E2=80=AFAM Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p>Stu</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p>Always difficult to troubleshoot remotely.</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p>You may have to do standard checks on all systems =E2=80=93 air, fuel an=
d spark</p>
<p>Alcohol in the fuel can tear up hoses and gaskets</p>
<p>Check to make sure fuel filter is OK</p>
<p>Check for vacuum leaks</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p>My 1<sup>st</sup> thought =E2=80=93 the fuel level is high</p>
<p>Check the float level and check for any debris in the float bowl</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p>Remove the air filter and idle engine to see if it is an air flow proble=
m.</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p>Hope this helps</p>
<p>Ron Fraser</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p><strong>From:</strong> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox=
.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>S=
tu<br clear=3D"none"><strong>Sent:</strong> Saturday, August 31, 2024 9:57 =
AM<br clear=3D"none"><strong>To:</strong> Tiger Net &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:T=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><strong>Su=
bject:</strong> [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Ok, so I got the vacuum advance sorted an=
d reset the timing, etc.=C2=A0 But now there&#39;s another issue.</span></p=
</div>
<div>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">The car starts and warms up normally, cho=
ke opening, temperature gauge coming up to the thermostat temp, etc. But th=
en it starts surging at idle.=C2=A0 Accelerating, driving both seem fine.=
=C2=A0 But when it goes back to idle, waiting at a stoplight or something, =
it starts having these little dips, which soon become larger dips, to the p=
oint where it stops.=C2=A0 It restarts right away, then does it again.=C2=
=A0 At a stoplight I have to left foot brake so that I can keep my foot on =
the throttle to keep it alive.=C2=A0 =C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Here&#39;s a video I shot in the garage a=
s it started to do it after warming up.=C2=A0 Anybody seen this before or..=
. cured it?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
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l042y9z3t5oav2uwt&amp;dl=3D0</a></p>
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From: "Dr. T. Y. McDowell via Tigers" <[email-masked]>
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Stu,
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Hoping it works out.  Keep us posted.  When Tigering, there's always someth=
ing!
=20
Tym McDowell

> On 08/31/2024 6:23 PM EDT Stu <[email-masked]> wrote:
> =20
> =20
> I should have added this info at the start:  Stock 260, original carb, or=
iginal points type ignition.
> Tightened the nuts on the carb mounting studs, and the screws that hold t=
he top on, nothing was loose
> The old carb cleaner trick:  I sprayed carb cleaner all over anything tha=
t might have a vacuum leak,carb base, hoses, and so on...  nothing happened
> =20
> With the timing light connected, I watched the advance as a couple dips h=
appened... no change, timing was right where I left it, and I could not det=
ect any missing flashes during the dip.
> So that's it for today.  Tomorrow is busy, Monday I'll take it for a driv=
e and see if it's any different, or if any more clues appear.
>=20
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 4:54=E2=80=AFPM M Lafayette via Tigers <tigers@au=
tox.team.net mailto:[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> > I had the same symptoms years ago.  Leak in the vaccuum going to the PC=
V valve.  I'm betting that's the issue.  Or possibly a bad PCV valve, but I=
 still think it's  a bad line going to the valve.=20
> > Mark L
> >=20
> > In a message dated 8/31/2024 3:49:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tigers@a=
utox.team.net mailto:[email-masked] writes:
> > > Many conditions can contribute to idle surging so it starts with a pr=
ocess of elimination.
> > >=20
> > > =20
> > >=20
> > > Systems need to be checked =E2=80=93 air, fuel and spark =E2=80=93 lo=
ose wire connection, vacuum
> > >=20
> > > =20
> > >=20
> > > Ron Fraser
> > >=20
> > > =20
> > >=20
> > > =20
> > >=20
> > > =20
> > >=20
> > > From: Rob Hogan <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]=
>
> > > To: Ron Fraser <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]>
> > > Cc: Stu <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]>; Tiger Net <=
[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]>
> > > On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 11:45=E2=80=AFAM Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog=
.com mailto:[email-masked]> wrote:
> > > > You may have to do standard checks on all systems =E2=80=93 air, fu=
el and spark
> > > > Remove the air filter and idle engine to see if it is an air flow p=
roblem.
> > > >=20
> > > > =20
> > > >=20
> > > > Hope this helps
> > > >=20
> > > > Ron Fraser
> > > >=20
> > > > =20
> > > >=20
> > > > =20
> > > >=20
> > > > From: Tigers <[email-masked] mailto:tigers-bounces@a=
utox.team.net> On Behalf Of Stu
> > > > To: Tiger Net <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]>
> > > > Ok, so I got the vacuum advance sorted and reset the timing, etc.  =
But now there's another issue.
> > > >=20
> > > > =20
> > > >=20
> > > > The car starts and warms up normally, choke opening, temperature ga=
uge coming up to the thermostat temp, etc. But then it starts surging at id=
le.  Accelerating, driving both seem fine.  But when it goes back to idle, =
waiting at a stoplight or something, it starts having these little dips, wh=
ich soon become larger dips, to the point where it stops.  It restarts righ=
t away, then does it again.  At a stoplight I have to left foot brake so th=
at I can keep my foot on the throttle to keep it alive.  =20
> > > >=20
> > > > =20
> > > >=20
> > > > Here's a video I shot in the garage as it started to do it after wa=
rming up.  Anybody seen this before or... cured it?
> > > >=20
> > > > =20
> > > >=20
> > > > https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/0613ys0iegdndjhnjt5a8/AIcza8ouXqEsp5=
7qLWSlZOY?rlkey=3Ds9h2q3sal042y9z3t5oav2uwt&dl=3D0
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    On 08/31/2024 6:23 PM EDT Stu &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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     I should have added this info at the start:&nbsp; Stock 260, original =
carb, original points type ignition.
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     &nbsp;
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     Things I've tried since my original message:
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     &nbsp;
    </div>=20
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     Tightened the nuts on the carb mounting studs, and the screws that hol=
d the top on, nothing was loose
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     &nbsp;
    </div>=20
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     All the electrical connections seem tight, no corrosion.
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     &nbsp;
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     The old carb cleaner trick:&nbsp; I sprayed carb cleaner all over anyt=
hing that might have a vacuum leak,carb base, hoses, and so on...&nbsp; not=
hing happened
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     With the timing light connected, I watched the advance as a couple dip=
s happened... no change, timing was right where I left it, and I could not =
detect any missing flashes during the dip.
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     On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 4:54=E2=80=AFPM M Lafayette via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">ti=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
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t; color: #000000;">
       <span style=3D"color: #000000; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold=
;">I had the same symptoms years ago.&nbsp; Leak in the vaccuum going to th=
e PCV valve.&nbsp; I'm betting that's the issue.&nbsp; Or possibly a bad PC=
V valve, but I still think it's&nbsp; a bad line going to the valve.&nbsp;<=
br></span>
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 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">t=
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           <p>I think a low float condition would not let it drive fine.</p=
           <p>&nbsp;</p>=20
           <p>Many conditions can contribute to idle surging so it starts w=
ith a process of elimination.</p>=20
           <p>&nbsp;</p>=20
           <p>Systems need to be checked =E2=80=93 air, fuel and spark =E2=
=80=93 loose wire connection, vacuum</p>=20
           <p>&nbsp;</p>=20
           <p>Ron Fraser</p>=20
           <p>&nbsp;</p>=20
           <p>&nbsp;</p>=20
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            <p><strong>From:</strong> Rob Hogan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rober=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]=
m</a>&gt; <br clear=3D"none"><strong>Sent:</strong> Saturday, August 31, 20=
24 3:18 PM<br clear=3D"none"><strong>To:</strong> Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">rfraser@bl=
uefrog.com</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><strong>Cc:</strong> Stu &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">sabre2tg=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Tiger Net &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=
=3D"none"><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surgin=
g</p>=20
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Isn't idle surging typically from a carburetor low float setting?</span></p=
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              <p>On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 11:45=E2=80=AFAM Ron Fraser &lt;<a=
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                 <p>Stu</p>=20
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                 <p>Always difficult to troubleshoot remotely.</p>=20
                 <p>&nbsp;</p>=20
                 <p>You may have to do standard checks on all systems =E2=
=80=93 air, fuel and spark</p>=20
                 <p>Alcohol in the fuel can tear up hoses and gaskets</p>=
=20
                 <p>Check to make sure fuel filter is OK</p>=20
                 <p>Check for vacuum leaks</p>=20
                 <p>&nbsp;</p>=20
                 <p>My 1<sup>st</sup> thought =E2=80=93 the fuel level is h=
igh</p>=20
                 <p>Check the float level and check for any debris in the f=
loat bowl</p>=20
                 <p>&nbsp;</p>=20
                 <p>Remove the air filter and idle engine to see if it is a=
n air flow problem.</p>=20
                 <p>&nbsp;</p>=20
                 <p>Hope this helps</p>=20
                 <p>Ron Fraser</p>=20
                 <p>&nbsp;</p>=20
                 <p>&nbsp;</p>=20
                 <p><strong>From:</strong> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tig=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener" shape=3D"rec=
t">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Stu<=
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[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener" shape=3D"rect">Tigers=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><strong>Subject:</strong> [Tigers=
] The latest problem: Surging</p>=20
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                    <p><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Ok, so I got the va=
cuum advance sorted and reset the timing, etc.&nbsp; But now there's anothe=
r issue.</span></p>=20
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                    <p><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>=
=20
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                    <p><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">The car starts and =
warms up normally, choke opening, temperature gauge coming up to the thermo=
stat temp, etc. But then it starts surging at idle.&nbsp; Accelerating, dri=
ving both seem fine.&nbsp; But when it goes back to idle, waiting at a stop=
light or something, it starts having these little dips, which soon become l=
arger dips, to the point where it stops.&nbsp; It restarts right away, then=
 does it again.&nbsp; At a stoplight I have to left foot brake so that I ca=
n keep my foot on the throttle to keep it alive.&nbsp; &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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                    <p><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Here's a video I sh=
ot in the garage as it started to do it after warming up.&nbsp; Anybody see=
n this before or... cured it?</span></p>=20
                   </div>=20
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