Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank vent hose

From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 16:27:57 +0000 (UTC)

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 Thank you all for the responses.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The rubber is about 5 years o=
ld and with no fumes in car or trunk, it should be good.=C2=A0  I will chec=
k routing of gas tank vent hose for any kinks and obstructions. As we live =
in NC, we have no vapor recovery sleeve gas nozzles. The nozzle key, I beli=
eve would not do anything to help.=C2=A0 If no kinks or obstructions, from =
others having the same issue, I will have to check my impatience at the doo=
r.

Joel

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=C2=A0 1. Re: Gas tank vent hose (Mark Rense)
=C2=A0 2. Re: Gas tank vent hose (Will Seay)
=C2=A0 3. Re: Gas tank vent hose ([email-masked])
This issue has plagued us motorcyclists for years. There is a simple nozzle=
 key tool designed to hold the nozzle bellows back.=C2=A0
Bugz
https://www.aerostich.com/aluminum-gas-pump-nozzle-key.html

On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 4:16 PM Jim B via Tigers <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:

Like Gary, I=E2=80=99m in CA and I hold back the vapor recovery sleeve. I a=
ngle the nozzle down into the filler pipe and that helps. Still a PITA thou=
gh. Never tried the upside down method.
I'm in VA and we don't have this problem.=C2=A0 It seems to me that this is=
sue came up some time ago and that someone recommended=C2=A0a collar/funnel=
 device that you put into the filler.=C2=A0 As I recall, the device was mad=
e to be used for motorcycles.=C2=A0 If you have any biker friends maybe you=
 could get a line on it.
Will - 382001570=20
[email-masked]

On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 5:30=E2=80=AFPM M Lafayette via Tigers <tigers@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:

Seems like a few years back someone was advertising a device to put into th=
e tank opening that supposedly solved this problem.

In a message dated 9/20/2023 4:07:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tigers@autox=
.team.net writes:=C2=A0
Like Gary, I=E2=80=99m in CA and I hold back the vapor recovery sleeve. I a=
ngle the nozzle down into the filler pipe and that helps. Still a PITA thou=
gh. Never tried the upside down method.

On Sep 20, 2023, at 8:07 AM, GARY WINBLAD <[email-masked]> wrote:
=C2=A0
You must not be in CA (or other state with the vapor recovery gas pumps).Al=
l 13 gallons take forever for me, so I never try to go more than 9 or so.Ol=
d cars don't have the on-board carbon canister system that is needed for th=
e new pumps.So there is nothing you can do.When the nozzle is fully inserte=
d and gas pumped in the pressure rises and the pump shutsoff, always spilli=
ng gas down the side and onto the ground.=C2=A0I have to hold the nozzle cr=
ooked so the bellows doesn't fully seat and just barely open thetrigger, ta=
kes forever.Some guys hold the nozzle upside down (vertical) and it works b=
etter.=C2=A0 I just tried this againand it did seem to work better than yea=
rs ago when I last tried it.Gary=C2=A0=C2=A0
On 09/19/2023 2:16 PM PDT Greg Oliver <[email-masked]> wrote:=C2=A0=
=C2=A0It does that with my Tiger too. =F0=9F=99=81=C2=A0From: Tigers <tiger=
[email-masked]> on behalf of Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers@autox=
.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 1:53 PM
To: Tiger List Serve <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank vent hose=C2=A0I have a ongoing issue, more of t=
esting my patience, in that it takes me at least 5 minutes to completely fi=
ll my gas tanks.=C2=A0 It takes the first 8-9 gallons just fine but the las=
t 3-4 takes forever.=C2=A0 I must squeak in .1-.2 gallons at a time, meanin=
g I must wait 10-15 seconds for the gas to settle in the tanks before addin=
g more.=C2=A0The gas tank vent hose is in the correct location, I believe.=
=C2=A0 No gas fumes in trunk.=C2=A0 Gas tank sending unit and gauge are pre=
tty accurate.=C2=A0 When my patience holds and I get the tanks full, gauge =
shows 11.75 to 12 gallons on the gauge.=C2=A0Any ideas or suggestions as to=
 why this might be happening and potential fix would be appreciated.=C2=A0R=
egards=C2=A0Joel Martin_______________________________________________=20

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I had the same trouble as everybody else, and the only relief I could get w=
as to break the recovery seal, also. This went on for decades. One day I sm=
elled some gas fumes in the car. After eliminating the carb as the source I=
 started looking behind the trunk panels. I found a crack in the vent tube =
and another crack in the filler neck. Fixed both of those. Went to gas up, =
stuck the nozzle in, put the automatic trip on, and was shocked that the ta=
nks filled completely. This was about a year ago. Every fill up since, even=
 at different gas stations, has had the same result. Goes totally against l=
ogic and critical thinking, because previously the only way to get gas in w=
as to break the seal. Now, with no way for air to enter the system, it fill=
s up completely without any fuss. Go figure!

 =C2=A0

Kirk

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of M Lafayette via T=
igers
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 2:31 PM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank vent hose

 =C2=A0

Seems like a few years back someone was advertising a device to put into th=
e tank opening that supposedly solved this problem.

In a message dated 9/20/2023 4:07:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tigers@autox=
.team.net writes:=20

=C2=A0

Like Gary, I=E2=80=99m in CA and I hold back the vapor recovery sleeve. I a=
ngle the nozzle down into the filler pipe and that helps. Still a PITA thou=
gh. Never tried the upside down method.

 =C2=A0

On Sep 20, 2023, at 8:07 AM, GARY WINBLAD <[email-masked]> wrote:

 =C2=A0

=C2=A0

You must not be in CA (or other state with the vapor recovery gas pumps).

All 13 gallons take forever for me, so I never try to go more than 9 or so.

Old cars don't have the on-board carbon canister system that is needed for =
the new pumps.

So there is nothing you can do.

When the nozzle is fully inserted and gas pumped in the pressure rises and =
the pump shuts

off, always spilling gas down the side and onto the ground.=C2=A0

I have to hold the nozzle crooked so the bellows doesn't fully seat and jus=
t barely open the

trigger, takes forever.

Some guys hold the nozzle upside down (vertical) and it works better.=C2=A0=
 I just tried this again

and it did seem to work better than years ago when I last tried it.

Gary

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On 09/19/2023 2:16 PM PDT Greg Oliver <[email-masked]> wrote:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

It does that with my Tiger too. =F0=9F=99=81

=C2=A0

From: Tigers <[email-masked]> on behalf of Joel Martin via T=
igers <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 1:53 PM
To: Tiger List Serve <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank vent hose=20

=C2=A0

I have a ongoing issue, more of testing my patience, in that it takes me at=
 least 5 minutes to completely fill my gas tanks.=C2=A0 It takes the first =
8-9 gallons just fine but the last 3-4 takes forever.=C2=A0 I must squeak i=
n .1-.2 gallons at a time, meaning I must wait 10-15 seconds for the gas to=
 settle in the tanks before adding more.

=C2=A0

The gas tank vent hose is in the correct location, I believe.=C2=A0 No gas =
fumes in trunk.=C2=A0 Gas tank sending unit and gauge are pretty accurate.=
=C2=A0 When my patience holds and I get the tanks full, gauge shows 11.75 t=
o 12 gallons on the gauge.

=C2=A0

Any ideas or suggestions as to why this might be happening and potential fi=
x would be appreciated.

=C2=A0

Regards

=C2=A0

Joel Martin

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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Thank you all for the respon=
ses.&nbsp;&nbsp; The rubber is about 5 years old and with no fumes in car o=
r trunk, it should be good.&nbsp; <span> I will check routing of gas tank v=
ent hose for any kinks and obstructions. </span>As we live in NC, we have n=
o vapor recovery sleeve gas nozzles. The nozzle key, I believe would not do=
 anything to help.&nbsp; If no kinks or obstructions, from others having th=
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pc5ef50ceymsg48739" class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceymsg9019151013"><div id=3D"ydpc5ef5=
0ceyiv5784836498"><div>This issue has plagued us motorcyclists for years. T=
here is a simple nozzle key tool designed to hold the nozzle bellows back.&=
nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Bugz</div><div><br></div><div><div><a href=
=3D"https://www.aerostich.com/aluminum-gas-pump-nozzle-key.html" rel=3D"nof=
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>On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 4:16 PM Jim B via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tig=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
t</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498gmail_=
quote"><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px;">Like Gary, I=E2=80=99m in CA an=
d I hold back the vapor recovery sleeve. I angle the nozzle down into the f=
iller pipe and that helps. Still a PITA though. Never tried the upside down=
 method.</span></div></blockquote></div></div>
</div></div><div id=3D"ydpc5ef50ceymsg87781" class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceymsg901915=
1013"><div id=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"f=
ont-size:small;" class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498gmail_default">I'm in VA =
and we don't have this problem.&nbsp; It seems to me that this issue came u=
p some time ago and that someone recommended&nbsp;a collar/funnel device th=
at you put into the filler.&nbsp; As I recall, the device was made to be us=
ed for motorcycles.&nbsp; If you have any biker friends maybe you could get=
 a line on it.</div><div style=3D"font-size:small;" class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv=
5784836498gmail_default"><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydpc5ef50=
ceyiv5784836498gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Will - 382001570 <br><a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">Tige=
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6498gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 5:30=E2=80=AFPM M Lafayette via Tig=
ers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote style=3D=
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:rgb(0,0,0);"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight=
:bold;">Seems like a few years back someone was advertising a device to put=
 into the tank opening that supposedly solved this problem.<br></span></div=
<br>In a message dated 9/20/2023 4:07:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tigers=
@autox.team.net</a> writes:
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<div><span style=3D"font-size:14px;">Like Gary, I=E2=80=99m in CA and I hol=
d back the vapor recovery sleeve. I angle the nozzle down into the filler p=
ipe and that helps. Still a PITA though. Never tried the upside down method=
.</span><br clear=3D"none">
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<div>On Sep 20, 2023, at 8:07 AM, GARY WINBLAD &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:garywi=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
et</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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<div>You must not be in CA (or other state with the vapor recovery gas pump=
s).</div>
<div>All 13 gallons take forever for me, so I never try to go more than 9 o=
r so.</div>
<div>Old cars don't have the on-board carbon canister system that is needed=
 for the new pumps.</div>
<div>So there is nothing you can do.</div>
<div>When the nozzle is fully inserted and gas pumped in the pressure rises=
 and the pump shuts</div>
<div>off, always spilling gas down the side and onto the ground.&nbsp;</div=
<div>I have to hold the nozzle crooked so the bellows doesn't fully seat an=
d just barely open the</div>
<div>trigger, takes forever.</div>
<div>Some guys hold the nozzle upside down (vertical) and it works better.&=
nbsp; I just tried this again</div>
<div>and it did seem to work better than years ago when I last tried it.</d=
iv>
<div>Gary</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<div>On 09/19/2023 2:16 PM PDT Greg Oliver &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregdawg89=
@hotmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; wrote:</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;">I=
t does that with my Tiger too. =F0=9F=99=81</div>
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onsend">&nbsp;</div>
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Tigers] Gas tank vent hose</span>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:garamond, times, serif;font-size:16px;">
<div dir=3D"ltr">I have a ongoing issue, more of testing my patience, in th=
at it takes me at least 5 minutes to completely fill my gas tanks.&nbsp; It=
 takes the first 8-9 gallons just fine but the last 3-4 takes forever.&nbsp=
; I must squeak in .1-.2 gallons at a time, meaning I must wait 10-15 secon=
ds for the gas to settle in the tanks before adding more.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">The gas tank vent hose is in the correct location, I belie=
ve.&nbsp; No gas fumes in trunk.&nbsp; Gas tank sending unit and gauge are =
pretty accurate.&nbsp; When my patience holds and I get the tanks full, gau=
ge shows 11.75 to 12 gallons on the gauge.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Any ideas or suggestions as to why this might be happening=
 and potential fix would be appreciated.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Regards</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Joel Martin</div>
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v5784836498WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">I h=
ad the same trouble as everybody else, and the only relief I could get was =
to break the recovery seal, also. This went on for decades. One day I smell=
ed some gas fumes in the car. After eliminating the carb as the source I st=
arted looking behind the trunk panels. I found a crack in the vent tube and=
 another crack in the filler neck. Fixed both of those. Went to gas up, stu=
ck the nozzle in, put the automatic trip on, and was shocked that the tanks=
 filled completely. This was about a year ago. Every fill up since, even at=
 different gas stations, has had the same result. Goes totally against logi=
c and critical thinking, because previously the only way to get gas in was =
to break the seal. Now, with no way for air to enter the system, it fills u=
p completely without any fuss. Go figure!</p><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784=
836498MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">=
Kirk</p><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=
=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyi=
v5784836498MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNor=
mal"> &nbsp;</p><div style=3D"border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style=
: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcol=
or; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><=
b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </=
b>M Lafayette via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 20, 2023 2:31=
 PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b>=
 Re: [Tigers] Gas tank vent hose</p></div><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836=
498MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><div><div><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoN=
ormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;col=
or:black;">Seems like a few years back someone was advertising a device to =
put into the tank opening that supposedly solved this problem.</span></b><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:black;"><=
/span></p></div><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><br>In a mes=
sage dated 9/20/2023 4:07:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <a href=3D"mailto:ti=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
et</a> writes: </p><div><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">&nbs=
p;</p></div><div><blockquote style=3D"border-width: medium medium medium 1.=
5pt; border-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor current=
color currentcolor blue; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt; margin-left: 3.75pt; mar=
gin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div id=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498"><di=
v><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.5pt;">Like Gary, I=E2=80=99m in CA and I hold back the vapor recovery sle=
eve. I angle the nozzle down into the filler pipe and that helps. Still a P=
ITA though. Never tried the upside down method.</span></p><div id=3D"ydpc5e=
f50ceyiv5784836498yqt98161"><div><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNor=
mal"> &nbsp;</p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"=
><div><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">On Sep 20, 2023, at 8:=
07 AM, GARY WINBLAD &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"n=
ofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div>=
<p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"=
ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div></blockquote></div></div=
></div><div id=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498yqt34050"><div><div><div><p class=
=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">You must not be in CA (or other stat=
e with the vapor recovery gas pumps).</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ce=
yiv5784836498MsoNormal">All 13 gallons take forever for me, so I never try =
to go more than 9 or so.</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498=
MsoNormal">Old cars don't have the on-board carbon canister system that is =
needed for the new pumps.</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv578483649=
8MsoNormal">So there is nothing you can do.</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpc5=
ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">When the nozzle is fully inserted and gas pum=
ped in the pressure rises and the pump shuts</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpc=
5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">off, always spilling gas down the side and o=
nto the ground.&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498Mso=
Normal">I have to hold the nozzle crooked so the bellows doesn't fully seat=
 and just barely open the</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv578483649=
8MsoNormal">trigger, takes forever.</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyi=
v5784836498MsoNormal">Some guys hold the nozzle upside down (vertical) and =
it works better.&nbsp; I just tried this again</p></div><div><p class=3D"yd=
pc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">and it did seem to work better than years =
ago when I last tried it.</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv578483649=
8MsoNormal">Gary</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNorma=
l">&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">&nbs=
p;</p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><di=
v><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">On 09/19/2023 2:16 PM PDT =
Greg Oliver &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"=
ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpc5ef=
50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">It does that =
with my Tiger too. </span><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Segoe=
 UI Emoji, sans-serif;">=F0=9F=99=81</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;=
"></span></p></div><div id=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498appendonsend"><p clas=
s=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div align=3D"cente=
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<strong><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></stro=
ng> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofo=
llow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of =
Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"=
nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><strong><span =
style=3D"font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Sent:</span></strong> Tuesday, S=
eptember 19, 2023 1:53 PM<br><strong><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri, sa=
ns-serif;">To:</span></strong> Tiger List Serve &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tiger=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt;<br><strong><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Subject=
:</span></strong> [Tigers] Gas tank vent hose </p><div><p class=3D"ydpc5ef5=
0ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=3D=
"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-fa=
mily:Garamond, serif;">I have a ongoing issue, more of testing my patience,=
 in that it takes me at least 5 minutes to completely fill my gas tanks.&nb=
sp; It takes the first 8-9 gallons just fine but the last 3-4 takes forever=
.&nbsp; I must squeak in .1-.2 gallons at a time, meaning I must wait 10-15=
 seconds for the gas to settle in the tanks before adding more.</span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.0pt;font-family:Garamond, serif;">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt=
;font-family:Garamond, serif;">The gas tank vent hose is in the correct loc=
ation, I believe.&nbsp; No gas fumes in trunk.&nbsp; Gas tank sending unit =
and gauge are pretty accurate.&nbsp; When my patience holds and I get the t=
anks full, gauge shows 11.75 to 12 gallons on the gauge.</span></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
12.0pt;font-family:Garamond, serif;">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font=
-family:Garamond, serif;">Any ideas or suggestions as to why this might be =
happening and potential fix would be appreciated.</span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;=
font-family:Garamond, serif;">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpc5=
ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:G=
aramond, serif;">Regards</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv578=
4836498MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Garamond, ser=
if;">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Garamond, serif;">Joel Mar=
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 16:01:48 -0400 (EDT)

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Joel,
AH ha.  Us CA types jumped on this wrongly due to our own miserable gas fil=
l problems!
=20
You had the problem that several (6-8?) gallons went in fine but then it sl=
owed down (Like us
recovery nozzle guys).
Yours sounds exactly like a "vent line" problem.  Some kind of clog.  Norma=
lly the problem
with that hose is it gets hard and cracks open allowing fumes into the inte=
rior.
You are probably filling the right side tank fine(6 gallons) but the left s=
ide needs the vent line
open so the pressure at the top is relieved to allow the gas to come up thr=
ough the crossover
tube behind the bumper.
Gary
=20

> On 09/21/2023 9:27 AM PDT Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
> =20
> =20
> =20
> Thank you all for the responses.   The rubber is about 5 years old and wi=
th no fumes in car or trunk, it should be good.  I will check routing of ga=
s tank vent hose for any kinks and obstructions. As we live in NC, we have =
no vapor recovery sleeve gas nozzles. The nozzle key, I believe would not d=
o anything to help.  If no kinks or obstructions, from others having the sa=
me issue, I will have to check my impatience at the door.
> =20
> Joel
> =20
> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 02:08:02 AM EDT, tigers-request@autox.=
team.net <[email-masked]> wrote:
>     [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]
> =20
>     [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]
> =20
>     [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]
> =20
>   1. Re: Gas tank vent hose (Mark Rense)
>   2. Re: Gas tank vent hose (Will Seay)
>   3. Re: Gas tank vent hose ([email-masked])
> This issue has plagued us motorcyclists for years. There is a simple nozz=
le key tool designed to hold the nozzle bellows back.=20
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 4:16 PM Jim B via Tigers <[email-masked] m=
ailto:[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> > Like Gary, I=E2=80=99m in CA and I hold back the vapor recovery sleeve.=
 I angle the nozzle down into the filler pipe and that helps. Still a PITA =
though. Never tried the upside down method.
> >=20
> I'm in VA and we don't have this problem.  It seems to me that this issue=
 came up some time ago and that someone recommended a collar/funnel device =
that you put into the filler.  As I recall, the device was made to be used =
for motorcycles.  If you have any biker friends maybe you could get a line =
on it.
> =20
> Will - 382001570
> [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]
>=20
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 5:30=E2=80=AFPM M Lafayette via Tigers <tigers@au=
tox.team.net mailto:[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> > Seems like a few years back someone was advertising a device to put int=
o the tank opening that supposedly solved this problem.
> >=20
> > In a message dated 9/20/2023 4:07:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tigers@a=
utox.team.net mailto:[email-masked] writes:
> > =20
> >=20
> > > Like Gary, I=E2=80=99m in CA and I hold back the vapor recovery sleev=
e. I angle the nozzle down into the filler pipe and that helps. Still a PIT=
A though. Never tried the upside down method.
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > > On Sep 20, 2023, at 8:07 AM, GARY WINBLAD <[email-masked] =
mailto:[email-masked]> wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > > =20
> > > >=20
> > > You must not be in CA (or other state with the vapor recovery gas pum=
ps).
> > > All 13 gallons take forever for me, so I never try to go more than 9 =
or so.
> > > Old cars don't have the on-board carbon canister system that is neede=
d for the new pumps.
> > > When the nozzle is fully inserted and gas pumped in the pressure rise=
s and the pump shuts
> > > off, always spilling gas down the side and onto the ground.=20
> > > I have to hold the nozzle crooked so the bellows doesn't fully seat a=
nd just barely open the
> > > trigger, takes forever.
> > > Some guys hold the nozzle upside down (vertical) and it works better.=
  I just tried this again
> > > > On 09/19/2023 2:16 PM PDT Greg Oliver <[email-masked] mailt=
o:[email-masked]> wrote:
> > > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > > From: Tigers <[email-masked] mailto:tigers-bounces@a=
utox.team.net> on behalf of Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked] m=
ailto:[email-masked]>
> > > > To: Tiger List Serve <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net>
> > > > I have a ongoing issue, more of testing my patience, in that it tak=
es me at least 5 minutes to completely fill my gas tanks.  It takes the fir=
st 8-9 gallons just fine but the last 3-4 takes forever.  I must squeak in =
.1-.2 gallons at a time, meaning I must wait 10-15 seconds for the gas to s=
ettle in the tanks before adding more.
> > > > =20
> > > > The gas tank vent hose is in the correct location, I believe.  No g=
as fumes in trunk.  Gas tank sending unit and gauge are pretty accurate.  W=
hen my patience holds and I get the tanks full, gauge shows 11.75 to 12 gal=
lons on the gauge.
> > > > =20
> > > > Any ideas or suggestions as to why this might be happening and pote=
ntial fix would be appreciated.
> > > > [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]
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   AH ha.&nbsp; Us CA types jumped on this wrongly due to our own miserable=
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rs old and with no fumes in car or trunk, it should be good.&nbsp; I will c=
heck routing of gas tank vent hose for any kinks and obstructions. As we li=
ve in NC, we have no vapor recovery sleeve gas nozzles. The nozzle key, I b=
elieve would not do anything to help.&nbsp; If no kinks or obstructions, fr=
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      <br>&nbsp; 1. Re: Gas tank vent hose (Mark Rense)
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         This issue has plagued us motorcyclists for years. There is a simp=
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           On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 4:16 PM Jim B via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"=
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            <span style=3D"font-size: 14px;">Like Gary, I=E2=80=99m in CA a=
nd I hold back the vapor recovery sleeve. I angle the nozzle down into the =
filler pipe and that helps. Still a PITA though. Never tried the upside dow=
n method.</span>
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          I'm in VA and we don't have this problem.&nbsp; It seems to me th=
at this issue came up some time ago and that someone recommended&nbsp;a col=
lar/funnel device that you put into the filler.&nbsp; As I recall, the devi=
ce was made to be used for motorcycles.&nbsp; If you have any biker friends=
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            <span style=3D"color: #000000; font-style: normal; font-weight:=
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               <span style=3D"font-size: 14px;">Like Gary, I=E2=80=99m in C=
A and I hold back the vapor recovery sleeve. I angle the nozzle down into t=
he filler pipe and that helps. Still a PITA though. Never tried the upside =
down method.</span>
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                  You must not be in CA (or other state with the vapor reco=
very gas pumps).
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                  All 13 gallons take forever for me, so I never try to go =
more than 9 or so.
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                  Old cars don't have the on-board carbon canister system t=
hat is needed for the new pumps.
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                  So there is nothing you can do.
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                  When the nozzle is fully inserted and gas pumped in the p=
ressure rises and the pump shuts
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                  off, always spilling gas down the side and onto the groun=
d.&nbsp;
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                  I have to hold the nozzle crooked so the bellows doesn't =
fully seat and just barely open the
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                  trigger, takes forever.
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                  Some guys hold the nozzle upside down (vertical) and it w=
orks better.&nbsp; I just tried this again
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                   On 09/19/2023 2:16 PM PDT Greg Oliver &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
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                     I have a ongoing issue, more of testing my patience, i=
n that it takes me at least 5 minutes to completely fill my gas tanks.&nbsp=
; It takes the first 8-9 gallons just fine but the last 3-4 takes forever.&=
nbsp; I must squeak in .1-.2 gallons at a time, meaning I must wait 10-15 s=
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                     The gas tank vent hose is in the correct location, I b=
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are pretty accurate.&nbsp; When my patience holds and I get the tanks full,=
 gauge shows 11.75 to 12 gallons on the gauge.
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          <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">I had the same tro=
uble as everybody else, and the only relief I could get was to break the re=
covery seal, also. This went on for decades. One day I smelled some gas fum=
es in the car. After eliminating the carb as the source I started looking b=
ehind the trunk panels. I found a crack in the vent tube and another crack =
in the filler neck. Fixed both of those. Went to gas up, stuck the nozzle i=
n, put the automatic trip on, and was shocked that the tanks filled complet=
ely. This was about a year ago. Every fill up since, even at different gas =
stations, has had the same result. Goes totally against logic and critical =
thinking, because previously the only way to get gas in was to break the se=
al. Now, with no way for air to enter the system, it fills up completely wi=
thout any fuss. Go figure!</p>=20
          <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
          <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">Kirk</p>=20
          <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
          <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
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           <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><strong>From:</st=
rong> Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <strong>On Behalf Of </s=
trong>M Lafayette via Tigers<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, September=
 20, 2023 2:31 PM<br><strong>To:</strong> [email-masked]; [email-masked]=
m.net<br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Tigers] Gas tank vent hose</p>=20
          </div>=20
          <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
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            <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><strong><span st=
yle=3D"font-size: 14.0pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;">Se=
ems like a few years back someone was advertising a device to put into the =
tank opening that supposedly solved this problem.</span></strong></p>=20
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           <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><br>In a message =
dated 9/20/2023 4:07:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <a href=3D"mailto:tigers@=
autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a=
> writes:</p>=20
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              <div>=20
               <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;">Like Gary, I=E2=80=99m in CA and I hold back the va=
por recovery sleeve. I angle the nozzle down into the filler pipe and that =
helps. Still a PITA though. Never tried the upside down method.</span></p>=
=20
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                   <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">On Sep 20=
, 2023, at 8:07 AM, GARY WINBLAD &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comcast.=
net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wro=
te:</p>=20
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                  <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=
=20
                  <div>=20
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                  </div>=20
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               <div>=20
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                  <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">You must n=
ot be in CA (or other state with the vapor recovery gas pumps).</p>=20
                 </div>=20
                 <div>=20
                  <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">All 13 gal=
lons take forever for me, so I never try to go more than 9 or so.</p>=20
                 </div>=20
                 <div>=20
                  <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">Old cars d=
on't have the on-board carbon canister system that is needed for the new pu=
mps.</p>=20
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                  <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">So there i=
s nothing you can do.</p>=20
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                 <div>=20
                  <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">When the n=
ozzle is fully inserted and gas pumped in the pressure rises and the pump s=
huts</p>=20
                 </div>=20
                 <div>=20
                  <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">off, alway=
s spilling gas down the side and onto the ground.&nbsp;</p>=20
                 </div>=20
                 <div>=20
                  <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">I have to =
hold the nozzle crooked so the bellows doesn't fully seat and just barely o=
pen the</p>=20
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akes forever.</p>=20
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                  <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">Some guys =
hold the nozzle upside down (vertical) and it works better.&nbsp; I just tr=
ied this again</p>=20
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                  <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">and it did=
 seem to work better than years ago when I last tried it.</p>=20
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                  <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">Gary</p>=
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                   <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal">On 09/19/=
2023 2:16 PM PDT Greg Oliver &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p=
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le=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">It does that with my Tiger too. </span><span styl=
e=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Segoe UI Emoji, sans-serif;">=F0=9F=99=
=81</span></p>=20
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                   <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><strong><=
span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></strong> Tige=
rs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" r=
el=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of Joel Mar=
tin via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k" rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><strong><span style=3D=
"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Sent:</span></strong> Tuesday, Septembe=
r 19, 2023 1:53 PM<br><strong><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-ser=
if;">To:</span></strong> Tiger List Serve &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@auto=
x.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
;<br><strong><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Subject:</sp=
an></strong> [Tigers] Gas tank vent hose</p>=20
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                     <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Garamond, serif;">I have a ongoing =
issue, more of testing my patience, in that it takes me at least 5 minutes =
to completely fill my gas tanks.&nbsp; It takes the first 8-9 gallons just =
fine but the last 3-4 takes forever.&nbsp; I must squeak in .1-.2 gallons a=
t a time, meaning I must wait 10-15 seconds for the gas to settle in the ta=
nks before adding more.</span></p>=20
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tyle=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Garamond, serif;">&nbsp;</span></p>=
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                     <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Garamond, serif;">The gas tank vent=
 hose is in the correct location, I believe.&nbsp; No gas fumes in trunk.&n=
bsp; Gas tank sending unit and gauge are pretty accurate.&nbsp; When my pat=
ience holds and I get the tanks full, gauge shows 11.75 to 12 gallons on th=
e gauge.</span></p>=20
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tyle=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Garamond, serif;">&nbsp;</span></p>=
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                     <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Garamond, serif;">Any ideas or sugg=
estions as to why this might be happening and potential fix would be apprec=
iated.</span></p>=20
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tyle=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Garamond, serif;">&nbsp;</span></p>=
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                     <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Garamond, serif;">Regards</span></p=
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                     <p class=3D"ydpc5ef50ceyiv5784836498MsoNormal"><span s=
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Joel,
I think I have a vague recollection that there were some fill elbows(?) (be=
tween gas cap and
right side tank) that had an obstruction in the molded on fitting for the v=
ent hose (to the left
tank).  The hose and tanks and everything could be good and you would still=
 have a problem
if that fitting was obstructed, first place I would check.
Gary
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ld still have a problem
   if that fitting was obstructed, first place I would check.
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