Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cooling Fan

From: Jim Buster via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 17:09:10 -0700

Joe. When I replaced my radiator with a Griffin it came as a package deal with a shroud an electric fan. As thin as that shroud was it didn’t fit. So I put it in front of the radiator. It’s a Spal. If you zoom into the picture you can see the number. I sent a separate email with the picture. Jim B

> On Jul 18, 2023, at 3:30 PM, Joe Brown <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas.  I've read through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of the suggested modifications.  They listed two different pusher electric fans in the article but both of them are no longer available.
> 
> So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan?  If so, what part numbers?
> 
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
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From: Gary via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 00:11:14 +0000 (UTC)

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 I can't remember which pusher fan I installed 20 years ago, but here is th=
e installation configuration I used.
There are 4 threaded holes on the forward bulkhead, 2 on each side of the r=
adiator. I removed the radiator, laid the fan inside the radiator opening, =
and installed 1" aluminum straps left to right and top to bottom. I then mo=
unted the fan on the vertical straps, all painted flat black. See pic. Only=
 the lower holes are visable from the front. The upper 2 holes are up under=
neath the front cowl.
Instead of having the original single throw switch for the panel lighting, =
I wired my panel lighting to the center position of the double throw main l=
ight switch, and use that dash opening for the fan switch.=C2=A0I then use =
an original double throw light switch to manually operate the fan and my fu=
el pump, down position - off, middle position - fuel pump, top position - f=
an and fuel pump. The fuel pump operates in both the middle and up position=
s, but the fan only operates in the up position. That way I can drive the c=
ar normally and turn on the fan as needed without turning off the fuel pump=
. Turning that switch off also acts a secondary theft deterent.
When I turn on the pusher fan, I can actually watch the gauge move downward=
 15=C2=B0-20=C2=B0 within 30 seconds.

Gary
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 04:30:52 PM MDT, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gm=
ail.com> wrote: =20
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 My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas.=C2=A0 I've r=
ead through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of=
 the suggested modifications.=C2=A0 They listed two different pusher electr=
ic fans in the article but both of them are no longer available.
So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan?=C2=A0 If so, what part num=
bers?
Thanks,Joe Brown_______________________________________________

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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" style=3D""><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size: small;">I can't remember which pusher fan I installed 20 years ago=
, but here is the installation configuration I used.</span></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" style=3D""><font size=3D"2"><br></font></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" style=3D""><font size=3D"2">There a=
re 4 threaded holes on the forward bulkhead, 2 on each side of the radiator=
. I removed the radiator, laid the fan inside the radiator opening, and ins=
talled 1" aluminum straps left to right and top to bottom. I then mounted t=
he fan on the vertical straps, all painted flat black. See pic. Only the lo=
wer holes are visable from the front. The upper 2 holes are up underneath t=
he front cowl.</font></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" style=3D"=
"><font size=3D"2"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" =
style=3D""><font size=3D"2">Instead of having the original single throw swi=
tch for the panel lighting, I wired my panel lighting to the center positio=
n of the double throw main light switch, and use that dash opening for the =
fan switch.&nbsp;<span><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Hel=
vetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">I then use an original double t=
hrow light switch to manually operate the fan and my fuel pump, down positi=
on - off, middle position - fuel pump, top position - fan and fuel pump. Th=
e fuel pump operates in both the middle and up positions, but the fan only =
operates in the up position. That way I can drive the car normally and turn=
 on the fan as needed without turning off the fuel pump. Turning that switc=
h off also acts a secondary theft deterent.</span></span></font></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" style=3D""><font size=3D"2"><span><span s=
tyle=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,=
 sans-serif;"><br></span></span></font></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false" style=3D""><font size=3D"2"><span><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0=
, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">When I tu=
rn on the pusher fan, I can actually watch the gauge move downward 15</span=
></span></font><span style=3D"font-size: small;">=C2=B0</span><font size=3D=
"2" style=3D"font-size: small;">-20</font><span style=3D"font-size: small;"=
>=C2=B0 within 30 seconds.</span><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"=
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lvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><font size=3D"2" style=3D"back=
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ly: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><font size=3D"2" style=
=3D"background-color: inherit;">Gary</font></span></div><div style=3D"font-=
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My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas.&nbsp; I've re=
ad through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of =
the suggested modifications.&nbsp; They listed two different pusher electri=
c fans in the article but both of them are no longer available.<div><br></d=
iv><div>So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan?&nbsp; If so, what =
part numbers?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</div></d=
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From: David Sosna via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 17:30:21 -0700

Hi Joe:

Semi-unrelated answer:  Have you thought about fabricating a fiberglass 
full fan shroud?  Also, cudgeling my memory, I seem to recall that the 
Tiger tended to suck hot air from the engine compartment forward, 
creating a hot-air loop back through the radiator.  Don't know if the 
full fan shroud would prevent this, but I was reading a book by Dennis 
Ortenburger about Frank Costin, who often used fully ducted radiators in 
his designs.  I apologize that I've no idea how to accomplish that 
ducting on a Tiger, though I suspect one or both of the solutions would 
benefit the Tiger's cooling at low speeds.

If it isn't too much trouble, would you please keep us updated with your 
solutions and their effectiveness?  My Tiger is long gone, but my 
interest remains. 😁

Good luck to you and Best Regards

David Sosna

On 7/18/23 13:38, Joe Brown wrote:
> My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas.  I've 
> read through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make 
> some of the suggested modifications.  They listed two different pusher 
> electric fans in the article but both of them are no longer available.
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From: Jay Laifman <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 17:44:49 -0700

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Have you looked at this cooling suggestions?
http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance=
1.asp

It works great in Southern California heat.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown <[email-masked]> w=
rote:

> My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas.  I've read
> through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of t=
he
> suggested modifications.  They listed two different pusher electric fans =
in
> the article but both of them are no longer available.
>
> So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan?  If so, what part number=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Have you looked at this cooling suggestions? =C2=A0<a href=
=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanVal=
ance1.asp">http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLai=
fmanValance1.asp</a><div><br></div><div>It works great in Southern Californ=
ia heat.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">My Tiger can&#39;t keep up with th=
is 100 degree weather in Texas.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve read through the article by =
Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of the suggested modification=
s.=C2=A0 They listed two different pusher electric fans in the article but =
both of them are no longer available.<div><br></div><div>So, has anybody re=
cently installed a pusher fan?=C2=A0 If so, what part numbers?</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</div></div>
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From: David Sosna via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 20:23:47 -0700

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Jay:

Big Smile here--Your dad...I miss him too.  What a guy.  He provided so 
many options beyond the two I was thinking of.

Be Well

David

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> http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp 
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> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42 PM Joe Brown <[email-masked]> wrote:
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>     My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas. 
>     I've read through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I
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>     different pusher electric fans in the article but both of them are
>     no longer available.
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    <p>Jay:</p>
    <p>Big Smile here--Your dad...I miss him too.  What a guy.  He
      provided so many options beyond the two I was thinking of.</p>
    <p>Be Well</p>
    <p>David<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/18/23 17:44, Jay Laifman wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Have you looked at this cooling suggestions?  <a
href="http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp"
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        <div>It works great in Southern California heat.</div>
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          3:42 PM Joe Brown &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
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          <div dir="ltr">My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree
            weather in Texas.  I've read through the article by Tiger
            Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of the suggested
            modifications.  They listed two different pusher electric
            fans in the article but both of them are no longer
            available.
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan?  If
              so, what part numbers?</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Thanks,</div>
            <div>Joe Brown</div>
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From: michael king <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:30:34 +0800

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Joe, what exactly are the cooling issues you are having?

Are you over heating in stop go traffic?
Is the car spitting coolant?
Is the car over heating while driving around?
Is it just the gauge reading high? What temps are you seeing ?

What kind of motor do you have? Is it modified?
What cooling system do you have now.. what condition is it in?

There are many types of overheating issues.. caused by different things...
Then there are time where people think the car is overheating when it's
not...

You don't really define the issues you have.

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> through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of the
> suggested modifications.  They listed two different pusher electric fans in
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<div dir=3D"auto">Joe, what exactly are the cooling issues you are having?<=
div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Are you over heating in stop g=
o traffic?</div><div dir=3D"auto">Is the car spitting coolant?</div><div di=
r=3D"auto">Is the car over heating while driving around?</div><div dir=3D"a=
uto">Is it just the gauge reading high? What temps are you seeing ?</div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">What kind of motor do you have?=
 Is it modified?</div><div dir=3D"auto">What cooling system do you have now=
.. what condition is it in?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"au=
to">There are many types of overheating issues.. caused by different things=
... Then there are time where people think the car is overheating when it&#=
39;s not...</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">You don&#39;=
t really define the issues you have.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, 19 July 2023, 6:38 am Joe=
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/a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">My =
Tiger can&#39;t keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas.=C2=A0 I&#39;=
ve read through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make som=
e of the suggested modifications.=C2=A0 They listed two different pusher el=
ectric fans in the article but both of them are no longer available.<div><b=
r></div><div>So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan?=C2=A0 If so, =
what part numbers?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</di=
v></div>
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">The article includes several suggestions.<d=
iv><br></div><div>One of them is to seal the missing section of the stock fa=
n shroud at the bottom.</div><div><br></div><div>A list member offered a pie=
ce he fabricated.</div><div><br></div><div>I obtained one and here are a cou=
ple of pictures. I hope to fit it later this year.</div><div><br></div><div>=
Even a few degrees of cooling will be worth the effort.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Allan Ballard</div><div>Mk1a Tiger</div><div><br></div><div><img alt=3D=
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ggestions? &nbsp;<a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanVal=
ance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp">http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaif=
manValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp</a><div><br></div><div>It works great=
 in Southern California heat.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Jo=
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or:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">My Tiger can't keep u=
p with this 100 degree weather in Texas.&nbsp; I've read through the article=
 by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of the suggested modificat=
ions.&nbsp; They listed two different pusher electric fans in the article bu=
t both of them are no longer available.<div><br></div><div>So, has anybody r=
ecently installed a pusher fan?&nbsp; If so, what part numbers?</div><div><b=
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I=E2=80=99ve been reading about cooling issues with tigers for more that =
a decade (much less than some reading this) blocking horn holes, pusher =
fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire studies have been done on this issue. =
Just check STOA, CAT or any club site. All good reads! I think the first =
place to start is knowing what the actual engine team really is. We all =
know that the original temp guage can be off. The other thing is: as a =
dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the optimal engine temp. But, =
Ford engines can get to 195-200 degrees easily and that is not =
necessarily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher in mine only because I had =
one. I=E2=80=99m not really sure is does anything. My original guage can =
show 225-230 on  a hot day (humidity plays a bitg role) but never has =
pucked out fluid. The design of the should is an issue. It lets hot air =
from the engine compartment to get under the radiator. Many, many, =
=E2=80=98fixes=E2=80=99 that can be done. However, on a hot low humidity =
day.. well good luck. JMO

> On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> The article includes several suggestions.
>=20
> One of them is to seal the missing section of the stock fan shroud at =
the bottom.
>=20
> A list member offered a piece he fabricated.
>=20
> I obtained one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope to fit it =
later this year.
>=20
> Even a few degrees of cooling will be worth the effort.
>=20
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1a Tiger
>=20
=EF=BF=BC=EF=BF=BC
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> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>> On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay Laifman <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> Have you looked at this cooling suggestions?  =
http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValanc=
e1.asp
>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown =
>>> My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas.  I've =
read through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make =
some of the suggested modifications.  They listed two different pusher =
electric fans in the article but both of them are no longer available.
>>>=20
>>> So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan?  If so, what part =
numbers?
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><font =
size=3D"4">I=E2=80=99ve been reading&nbsp;about cooling issues with =
tigers for more that a decade (much less than some reading this) =
blocking horn holes, pusher fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire studies =
have been done on&nbsp;this issue. Just check STOA, CAT or any club =
site. All good reads! I think the first place to start is&nbsp;knowing =
what the actual&nbsp;engine team really is. We all know that the =
original temp guage can be off. The other thing is: as a dyed in the =
wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the optimal engine temp. But, Ford engines =
can get to 195-200 degrees easily and that is not&nbsp;necessarily a bad =
thing. Yes, I put a pusher in mine only because I had one. I=E2=80=99m =
not really sure is does&nbsp;anything. My&nbsp;original guage can show =
225-230 on &nbsp;a hot day (humidity plays a bitg role) but never has =
pucked out fluid. The design of the should is an&nbsp;issue. It lets hot =
air from the engine compartment to get under the radiator. Many, many, =
=E2=80=98fixes=E2=80=99 that can be&nbsp;done. However, on a hot low =
humidity day.. well good luck. JMO</font><div><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset=3D"UTF-8"><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
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text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;">The article includes several =
suggestions.</span><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;"><br></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;">One of them is to seal the missing section of the stock fan =
shroud at the bottom.</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;">A list member offered a piece he =
fabricated.</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;"><br></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;">I obtained one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope to fit =
it later this year.</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;">Even a few degrees of cooling will be worth the =
effort.</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;"><br></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
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text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;">Allan Ballard</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
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anValance1.asp">http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-St=
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and I will make some of the suggested modifications.&nbsp; They listed =
two different pusher electric fans in the article but both of them are =
no longer available.<div><br></div><div>So, has anybody recently =
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From: Owain Lloyd <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 08:03:04 +0200

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I think michael hit the nail on the head.  first need to know is it
overheating when stationary / moving slowly or at speed?

a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopped.  and spal is
the go to brand.   still need the horn holes and gap between cross member
and rad blocked.  cardboard and zip ties does the trick quickly and can be
replaced with a more permanent solution later if you want.  also need a fan
shroud.

personally i've never needed the electric pusher fan because i have a small
13" flex fan on the water pump pulley.  that creates enough pull through
the radiator at idle.

if its overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem entirely
and there are a variety of other things to check.

in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain conditions (slowing
down after running fast in really high ambient temps above a particular
altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the problem.  there are a bunch
of things i could do there, most importantly a carb heat shield, but
i've only suffered from it once.

one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling issues in the tiger
over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad top hose.  at least
you can see how the coolant is circulating which helps with thermostat or
water pump issues and if you're used to how it should look, even how
blocked the radiator is.

On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers <[email-masked]=
.net>

> I=E2=80=99ve been reading about cooling issues with tigers for more that =
a decade
> (much less than some reading this) blocking horn holes, pusher fans, and
> shrouds etc etc. Entire studies have been done on this issue. Just check
> STOA, CAT or any club site. All good reads! I think the first place to
> start is knowing what the actual engine team really is. We all know that
> the original temp guage can be off. The other thing is: as a dyed in the
> wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the optimal engine temp. But, Ford engines
> can get to 195-200 degrees easily and that is not necessarily a bad thing=
.
> Yes, I put a pusher in mine only because I had one. I=E2=80=99m not reall=
y sure is
> does anything. My original guage can show 225-230 on  a hot day (humidity
> plays a bitg role) but never has pucked out fluid. The design of the shou=
ld
> is an issue. It lets hot air from the engine compartment to get under the
> radiator. Many, many, =E2=80=98fixes=E2=80=99 that can be done. However, =
on a hot low
> humidity day.. well good luck. JMO
>
> On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
> One of them is to seal the missing section of the stock fan shroud at the
> bottom.
>
> I obtained one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope to fit it later
> this year.
>
> On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay Laifman <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValan=
ce1.asp
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
>> through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of =
the
>> suggested modifications.  They listed two different pusher electric fans=
 in
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I think michael hit the nail on the head.=C2=A0 first need=
 to know is it overheating when stationary / moving slowly or at speed?<div=
><br></div><div>a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopp=
ed.=C2=A0 and spal is the go to brand.=C2=A0 =C2=A0still need the horn hole=
s and gap between cross member and rad blocked.=C2=A0 cardboard and zip tie=
s does the trick quickly and can be replaced with a more permanent=C2=A0sol=
ution later if you want.=C2=A0 also need a fan shroud.<div><br></div><div>p=
ersonally i&#39;ve never needed the electric pusher fan because i have a sm=
all 13&quot; flex fan on the water pump pulley.=C2=A0 that creates enough p=
ull through the radiator at idle.</div><div><br></div><div>if its=C2=A0over=
heating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem entirely and there a=
re a variety=C2=A0of other things to check.</div></div><div><br></div><div>=
in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain conditions=C2=A0(slow=
ing down after running fast in really high ambient temps above a particular=
 altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the problem.=C2=A0 there are a=
 bunch of things i could do there, most importantly a carb heat shield, but=
 i&#39;ve=C2=A0only suffered from it once.</div><div><br></div><div>one thi=
ng i&#39;ve found very useful for debugging cooling issues in the tiger ove=
r the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad top hose.=C2=A0 at lea=
st you can see how the coolant is circulating which helps with thermostat o=
r water pump issues and if you&#39;re used to how it should look, even how =
blocked the radiator is.</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=
=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">t=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204=
);padding-left:1ex"><div><font size=3D"4">I=E2=80=99ve been reading=C2=A0ab=
out cooling issues with tigers for more that a decade (much less than some =
reading this) blocking horn holes, pusher fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire=
 studies have been done on=C2=A0this issue. Just check STOA, CAT or any clu=
b site. All good reads! I think the first place to start is=C2=A0knowing wh=
at the actual=C2=A0engine team really is. We all know that the original tem=
p guage can be off. The other thing is: as a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185=
 degrees is the optimal engine temp. But, Ford engines can get to 195-200 d=
egrees easily and that is not=C2=A0necessarily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pu=
sher in mine only because I had one. I=E2=80=99m not really sure is does=C2=
=A0anything. My=C2=A0original guage can show 225-230 on =C2=A0a hot day (hu=
midity plays a bitg role) but never has pucked out fluid. The design of the=
 should is an=C2=A0issue. It lets hot air from the engine compartment to ge=
t under the radiator. Many, many, =E2=80=98fixes=E2=80=99 that can be=C2=A0=
done. However, on a hot low humidity day.. well good luck. JMO</font><div><=
div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan B=
allard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">abal=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><span style=3D"font-family:=
Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-we=
ight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transf=
orm:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:non=
e;display:inline">The article includes several suggestions.</span><div styl=
e=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ca=
ps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-inden=
t:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decorati=
on:none"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-=
style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal=
;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;wo=
rd-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">One of them is to seal the missing sec=
tion of the stock fan shroud at the bottom.</div><div style=3D"font-family:=
Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-we=
ight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transf=
orm:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></di=
v><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font=
-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start=
;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;te=
xt-decoration:none">A list member offered a piece he fabricated.</div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varian=
t-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-i=
ndent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-deco=
ration:none"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;f=
ont-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:no=
rmal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norma=
l;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">I obtained one and here are a coup=
le of pictures. I hope to fit it later this year.</div><div style=3D"font-f=
amily:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;f=
ont-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-=
transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><b=
r></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:norma=
l;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align=
:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:=
0px;text-decoration:none">Even a few degrees of cooling will be worth the e=
ffort.</div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-a=
lign:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spac=
ing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica=
;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;=
letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;=
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Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On =
Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay Laifman &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jay.laifman@gm=
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=3D"ltr">Have you looked at this cooling suggestions? =C2=A0<a href=3D"http=
://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.as=
p" target=3D"_blank">http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/p=
t-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp</a><div><br></div><div>It works great in Souther=
n California heat.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"lt=
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ather in Texas.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve read through the article by Tiger Tom and Ch=
uck King and I will make some of the suggested modifications.=C2=A0 They li=
sted two different pusher electric fans in the article but both of them are=
 no longer available.<div><br></div><div>So, has anybody recently installed=
 a pusher fan?=C2=A0 If so, what part numbers?</div><div><br></div><div>Tha=
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From: LARRY PAULICK via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 09:11:49 -0400

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I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock =
tiger, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air =
comes through the radiator down towards the ground and circles back =
through the radiator again. So essentially you're just recycling hot air =
from your own radiator.  It works.=20

> On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> I think michael hit the nail on the head.  first need to know is it =
>=20
> a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopped.  and =
spal is the go to brand.   still need the horn holes and gap between =
cross member and rad blocked.  cardboard and zip ties does the trick =
quickly and can be replaced with a more permanent solution later if you =
want.  also need a fan shroud.
>=20
> personally i've never needed the electric pusher fan because i have a =
small 13" flex fan on the water pump pulley.  that creates enough pull =
through the radiator at idle.
>=20
> if its overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem =
entirely and there are a variety of other things to check.
>=20
> in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain conditions =
(slowing down after running fast in really high ambient temps above a =
particular altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the problem.  =
there are a bunch of things i could do there, most importantly a carb =
heat shield, but i've only suffered from it once.
>=20
> one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling issues in the =
tiger over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad top hose.  =
at least you can see how the coolant is circulating which helps with =
thermostat or water pump issues and if you're used to how it should =
look, even how blocked the radiator is.
>=20
>=20
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers =
>> I=E2=80=99ve been reading about cooling issues with tigers for more =
that a decade (much less than some reading this) blocking horn holes, =
pusher fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire studies have been done on this =
issue. Just check STOA, CAT or any club site. All good reads! I think =
the first place to start is knowing what the actual engine team really =
is. We all know that the original temp guage can be off. The other thing =
is: as a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the optimal engine =
temp. But, Ford engines can get to 195-200 degrees easily and that is =
not necessarily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher in mine only because I =
had one. I=E2=80=99m not really sure is does anything. My original guage =
can show 225-230 on  a hot day (humidity plays a bitg role) but never =
has pucked out fluid. The design of the should is an issue. It lets hot =
air from the engine compartment to get under the radiator. Many, many, =
=E2=80=98fixes=E2=80=99 that can be done. However, on a hot low humidity =
day.. well good luck. JMO
>>=20
>>> On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard <[email-masked] =
>>>=20
>>> One of them is to seal the missing section of the stock fan shroud =
at the bottom.
later this year.
>>>> On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay Laifman <[email-masked] =
>>>>=20
>>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>>>> My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas.  =
I've read through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will =
make some of the suggested modifications.  They listed two different =
pusher electric fans in the article but both of them are no longer =
available.
numbers?
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">I made a =
custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock tiger, fan =
shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air comes through =
the radiator down towards the ground and circles back through the =
radiator again. So essentially you're just recycling hot air from your =
own radiator. &nbsp;It works.&nbsp;<br><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset=3D"UTF-8"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;">I think michael hit the nail on the head.&nbsp; first need to =
know is it overheating when stationary / moving slowly or at =
speed?<div><br></div><div>a pusher fan will only help at very low speed =
or when stopped.&nbsp; and spal is the go to brand.&nbsp; &nbsp;still =
need the horn holes and gap between cross member and rad blocked.&nbsp; =
cardboard and zip ties does the trick quickly and can be replaced with a =
more permanent&nbsp;solution later if you want.&nbsp; also need a fan =
shroud.<div><br></div><div>personally i've never needed the electric =
pusher fan because i have a small 13" flex fan on the water pump =
pulley.&nbsp; that creates enough pull through the radiator at =
idle.</div><div><br></div><div>if its&nbsp;overheating at more than =
30/40mph then its another problem entirely and there are a =
variety&nbsp;of other things to check.</div></div><div><br></div><div>in =
my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain =
conditions&nbsp;(slowing down after running fast in really high ambient =
temps above a particular altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the =
problem.&nbsp; there are a bunch of things i could do there, most =
importantly a carb heat shield, but i've&nbsp;only suffered from it =
once.</div><div><br></div><div>one thing i've found very useful for =
debugging cooling issues in the tiger over the years is having a glass =
gano filter in the rad top hose.&nbsp; at least you can see how the =
coolant is circulating which helps with thermostat or water pump issues =
and if you're used to how it should look, even how blocked the radiator =
is.</div><div><br></div></div><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, =
Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><font =
size=3D"4">I=E2=80=99ve been reading&nbsp;about cooling issues with =
tigers for more that a decade (much less than some reading this) =
blocking horn holes, pusher fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire studies =
have been done on&nbsp;this issue. Just check STOA, CAT or any club =
site. All good reads! I think the first place to start is&nbsp;knowing =
what the actual&nbsp;engine team really is. We all know that the =
original temp guage can be off. The other thing is: as a dyed in the =
wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the optimal engine temp. But, Ford engines =
can get to 195-200 degrees easily and that is not&nbsp;necessarily a bad =
thing. Yes, I put a pusher in mine only because I had one. I=E2=80=99m =
not really sure is does&nbsp;anything. My&nbsp;original guage can show =
225-230 on &nbsp;a hot day (humidity plays a bitg role) but never has =
pucked out fluid. The design of the should is an&nbsp;issue. It lets hot =
air from the engine compartment to get under the radiator. Many, many, =
=E2=80=98fixes=E2=80=99 that can be&nbsp;done. However, on a hot low =
humidity day.. well good luck. JMO</font><div><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br><div><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline;">The article =
includes several suggestions.</span><div style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">One of them is to =
seal the missing section of the stock fan shroud at the =
bottom.</div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">A list member offered a piece =
he fabricated.</div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">I obtained one and here are a =
couple of pictures. I hope to fit it later this year.</div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Even a few degrees of =
cooling will be worth the effort.</div><div style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Allan =
Ballard</div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
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dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">Have you looked at this cooling =
suggestions? &nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifm=
anValance1.asp" =
target=3D"_blank">http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-=
SteveLaifmanValance1.asp</a><div><br></div><div>It works great in =
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and I will make some of the suggested modifications.&nbsp; They listed =
two different pusher electric fans in the article but both of them are =
no longer available.<div><br></div><div>So, has anybody recently =
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From: M Lafayette via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 13:37:17 +0000 (UTC)

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RE the=C2=A0 added lower fan shroud......does this piece have to be attache=
d after the shroud is in place or can the=C2=A0 the complete modified shrou=
d=C2=A0 be slipped on with the fan in place?=C2=A0 Mark L

In a message dated 7/19/2023 9:21:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@autox=
.team.net writes:=C2=A0
I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock tiger=
, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air comes throu=
gh the radiator down towards the ground and circles back through the radiat=
or again. So essentially you're just recycling hot air from your own radiat=
or. =C2=A0It works.=C2=A0

On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd <[email-masked]> wrote:
=C2=A0
I think michael hit the nail on the head.=C2=A0 first need to know is it ov=
erheating when stationary / moving slowly or at speed?=C2=A0a pusher fan wi=
ll only help at very low speed or when stopped.=C2=A0 and spal is the go to=
 brand.=C2=A0 =C2=A0still need the horn holes and gap between cross member =
and rad blocked.=C2=A0 cardboard and zip ties does the trick quickly and ca=
n be replaced with a more permanent=C2=A0solution later if you want.=C2=A0 =
also need a fan shroud.=C2=A0personally i've never needed the electric push=
er fan because i have a small 13" flex fan on the water pump pulley.=C2=A0 =
that creates enough pull through the radiator at idle.=C2=A0if its=C2=A0ove=
rheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem entirely and there =
are a variety=C2=A0of other things to check.=C2=A0in my case its fuel boili=
ng in the carb under certain conditions=C2=A0(slowing down after running fa=
st in really high ambient temps above a particular altitude) rather than co=
olant temp which is the problem.=C2=A0 there are a bunch of things i could =
do there, most importantly a carb heat shield, but i've=C2=A0only suffered =
from it once.=C2=A0one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling i=
ssues in the tiger over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad =
top hose.=C2=A0 at least you can see how the coolant is circulating which h=
elps with thermostat or water pump issues and if you're used to how it shou=
ld look, even how blocked the radiator is.=C2=A0
On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers <[email-masked]=
.net> wrote:
I=E2=80=99ve been reading=C2=A0about cooling issues with tigers for more th=
at a decade (much less than some reading this) blocking horn holes, pusher =
fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire studies have been done on=C2=A0this issue=
. Just check STOA, CAT or any club site. All good reads! I think the first =
place to start is=C2=A0knowing what the actual=C2=A0engine team really is. =
We all know that the original temp guage can be off. The other thing is: as=
 a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the optimal engine temp. But, =
Ford engines can get to 195-200 degrees easily and that is not=C2=A0necessa=
rily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher in mine only because I had one. I=E2=
=80=99m not really sure is does=C2=A0anything. My=C2=A0original guage can s=
how 225-230 on =C2=A0a hot day (humidity plays a bitg role) but never has p=
ucked out fluid. The design of the should is an=C2=A0issue. It lets hot air=
 from the engine compartment to get under the radiator. Many, many, =E2=80=
=98fixes=E2=80=99 that can be=C2=A0done. However, on a hot low humidity day=
.. well good luck. JMO

On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard <[email-masked]> wrote:
The article includes several suggestions.=C2=A0One of them is to seal the m=
issing section of the stock fan shroud at the bottom.=C2=A0A list member of=
fered a piece he fabricated.=C2=A0I obtained one and here are a couple of p=
ictures. I hope to fit it later this year.=C2=A0Even a few degrees of cooli=
ng will be worth the effort.=C2=A0Allan BallardMk1a Tiger=C2=A0<image0.jpeg=

Sent from my iPhone

Have you looked at this cooling suggestions? =C2=A0http://tigersunited.com/=
techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp=C2=A0It works grea=
t in Southern California heat.
On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas.=C2=A0 I've re=
ad through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of =
the suggested modifications.=C2=A0 They listed two different pusher electri=
c fans in the article but both of them are no longer available.=C2=A0So, ha=
s anybody recently installed a pusher fan?=C2=A0 If so, what part numbers?=
=C2=A0Thanks,Joe Brown_______________________________________________

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<div>
<div class=3D"userEdit" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 14pt; color: #000000;"><span style=3D"color: #000000; font-styl=
e: normal; font-weight: bold;">RE the&nbsp; added lower fan shroud......doe=
s this piece have to be attached after the shroud is in place or can the&nb=
sp; the complete modified shroud&nbsp; be slipped on with the fan in place?=
&nbsp; Mark L<br></span></div>
<br>In a message dated 7/19/2023 9:21:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@a=
utox.team.net writes:
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"quotedReply">
<blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: blue=
 2px solid;">
<div id=3D"yiv2963498244">
<div>I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock =
tiger, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air comes =
through the radiator down towards the ground and circles back through the r=
adiator again. So essentially you're just recycling hot air from your own r=
adiator. &nbsp;It works.&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none">
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote>
<div>On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd &lt;[email-masked]&gt;=
 wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"yiv2963498244Apple-interchange-newline" clear=3D"none">
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-s=
tyle: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; t=
ext-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoratio=
n: none;">I think michael hit the nail on the head.&nbsp; first need to kno=
w is it overheating when stationary / moving slowly or at speed?
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopped.&nbsp; a=
nd spal is the go to brand.&nbsp; &nbsp;still need the horn holes and gap b=
etween cross member and rad blocked.&nbsp; cardboard and zip ties does the =
trick quickly and can be replaced with a more permanent&nbsp;solution later=
 if you want.&nbsp; also need a fan shroud.
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>personally i've never needed the electric pusher fan because i have a =
small 13" flex fan on the water pump pulley.&nbsp; that creates enough pull=
 through the radiator at idle.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>if its&nbsp;overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem=
 entirely and there are a variety&nbsp;of other things to check.</div>
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain conditions&nbsp;=
(slowing down after running fast in really high ambient temps above a parti=
cular altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the problem.&nbsp; there =
are a bunch of things i could do there, most importantly a carb heat shield=
, but i've&nbsp;only suffered from it once.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling issues in the t=
iger over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad top hose.&nbsp=
; at least you can see how the coolant is circulating which helps with ther=
mostat or water pump issues and if you're used to how it should look, even =
how blocked the radiator is.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<br style=3D"font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal;=
 font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform=
: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;" cle=
ar=3D"none">
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font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: norm=
al; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spaci=
ng: 0px; text-decoration: none;">
<div class=3D"yiv2963498244gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at =
7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">ti=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv2963498244gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color=
: #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><span style=3D"font-size: large;">I&rsquo;ve been reading&nbsp;about c=
ooling issues with tigers for more that a decade (much less than some readi=
ng this) blocking horn holes, pusher fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire stud=
ies have been done on&nbsp;this issue. Just check STOA, CAT or any club sit=
e. All good reads! I think the first place to start is&nbsp;knowing what th=
e actual&nbsp;engine team really is. We all know that the original temp gua=
ge can be off. The other thing is: as a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degr=
ees is the optimal engine temp. But, Ford engines can get to 195-200 degree=
s easily and that is not&nbsp;necessarily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher =
in mine only because I had one. I&rsquo;m not really sure is does&nbsp;anyt=
hing. My&nbsp;original guage can show 225-230 on &nbsp;a hot day (humidity =
plays a bitg role) but never has pucked out fluid. The design of the should=
 is an&nbsp;issue. It lets hot air from the engine compartment to get under=
 the radiator. Many, many, &lsquo;fixes&rsquo; that can be&nbsp;done. Howev=
er, on a hot low humidity day.. well good luck. JMO</span>
<div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote>
<div>On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aball=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" s=
hape=3D"rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
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rmal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-tran=
sform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;=
 float: none; display: inline;">The article includes several suggestions.</=
span>
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font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
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p;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
 none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">One =
of them is to seal the missing section of the stock fan shroud at the botto=
m.</div>
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font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
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p;</div>
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font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
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st member offered a piece he fabricated.</div>
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font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
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p;</div>
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font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
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tained one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope to fit it later this y=
ear.</div>
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font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
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 a few degrees of cooling will be worth the effort.</div>
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n Ballard</div>
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<blockquote>On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay Laifman &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Have you looked at this cooling suggestions? &nbsp;<a href=
=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanVal=
ance1.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"=
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<div>It works great in Southern California heat.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Tex=
as.&nbsp; I've read through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I w=
ill make some of the suggested modifications.&nbsp; They listed two differe=
nt pusher electric fans in the article but both of them are no longer avail=
able.
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan?&nbsp; If so, what par=
t numbers?</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
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If it is not puking, it is not overheating.  A good adage.

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You need to examine the basics of the cooling system first.

You need to know your cooling system is clean and free flowing before =
you begin evaluating any cooling problems.

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The temp gauge should always be checked by other means =E2=80=93 =
infrared thermometer or other means

Flush the engine plus flush and back flush the heater core =E2=80=93 you =
might be surprised how much crap accumulates in the heater core.

Years ago there were some very good flush products on the market, today =
not so much.

The last time I flushed a cooling system I used Thermocure by Evaporust =
=E2=80=93 this product seems to work.

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Many years ago my engine puked so I flushed the engine.   I cleared the =
heater core which took nearly an hour before the crap stopped come out =
of it.

I installed a coolant recovery bottle =E2=80=93 coolant on the front =
left tire is not good in a right turn.

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I have the Ford 6 bladed fan on my mostly stock 260 engine.=20

No major overheating problem since.    After expressway runs into slower =
traffic I watch the temp gauge and pop the hood if the temp spikes past =
200.

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Read the cooling articles for additional advice and ideas about dealing =
with any cooling issues you still have.

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Ron Fraser

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From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd
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Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cooling Fan

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a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopped.  and spal =
is the go to brand.   still need the horn holes and gap between cross =
member and rad blocked.  cardboard and zip ties does the trick quickly =
and can be replaced with a more permanent solution later if you want.  =
also need a fan shroud.

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I obtained one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope to fit it later =
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On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown <[email-masked] =

My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas.  I've read =
through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of =
the suggested modifications.  They listed two different pusher electric =
fans in the article but both of them are no longer available.

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>If it is =
not puking, it is not overheating. =C2=A0A good adage.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>You need to =
examine the basics of the cooling system first.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>You need to know your cooling system is clean and free =
flowing before you begin evaluating any cooling =
problems.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The temp gauge should always be checked by other means =
=E2=80=93 infrared thermometer or other means<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Flush the engine =
plus flush and back flush the heater core =E2=80=93 you might be =
surprised how much crap accumulates in the heater core.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Years ago there were some very good flush products on =
the market, today not so much.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The =
last time I flushed a cooling system I used Thermocure by Evaporust =
=E2=80=93 this product seems to work.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Many years =
ago my engine puked so I flushed the engine.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I cleared the =
heater core which took nearly an hour before the crap stopped come out =
of it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I installed a coolant recovery =
bottle =E2=80=93 coolant on the front left tire is not good in a right =
turn.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I have the Ford 6 bladed fan on my mostly stock 260 =
engine. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>No major overheating problem =
since.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 After expressway runs into slower traffic I =
watch the temp gauge and pop the hood if the temp spikes past =
200.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Read the cooling articles for additional advice and =
ideas about dealing with any cooling issues you still =
have.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> =
Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Owain =
Lloyd<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 19, 2023 2:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jim =
B &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Cooling =
Fan<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I think michael hit the nail on the head.&nbsp; first =
need to know is it overheating when stationary / moving slowly or at =
speed?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>a =
pusher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopped.&nbsp; and =
spal is the go to brand.&nbsp; &nbsp;still need the horn holes and gap =
between cross member and rad blocked.&nbsp; cardboard and zip ties does =
the trick quickly and can be replaced with a more =
permanent&nbsp;solution later if you want.&nbsp; also need a fan =
shroud.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>personally i've never needed the electric pusher fan =
because i have a small 13&quot; flex fan on the water pump pulley.&nbsp; =
that creates enough pull through the radiator at =
idle.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>if its&nbsp;overheating at more than 30/40mph then its =
another problem entirely and there are a variety&nbsp;of other things to =
check.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain =
conditions&nbsp;(slowing down after running fast in really high ambient =
temps above a particular altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the =
problem.&nbsp; there are a bunch of things i could do there, most =
importantly a carb heat shield, but i've&nbsp;only suffered from it =
once.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling =
issues in the tiger over the years is having a glass gano filter in the =
rad top hose.&nbsp; at least you can see how the coolant is circulating =
which helps with thermostat or water pump issues and if you're used to =
how it should look, even how blocked the radiator =
is.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt'>I=E2=80=99ve been =
reading&nbsp;about cooling issues with tigers for more that a decade =
(much less than some reading this) blocking horn holes, pusher fans, and =
shrouds etc etc. Entire studies have been done on&nbsp;this issue. Just =
check STOA, CAT or any club site. All good reads! I think the first =
place to start is&nbsp;knowing what the actual&nbsp;engine team really =
is. We all know that the original temp guage can be off. The other thing =
is: as a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the optimal engine =
temp. But, Ford engines can get to 195-200 degrees easily and that is =
not&nbsp;necessarily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher in mine only =
because I had one. I=E2=80=99m not really sure is does&nbsp;anything. =
My&nbsp;original guage can show 225-230 on &nbsp;a hot day (humidity =
plays a bitg role) but never has pucked out fluid. The design of the =
should is an&nbsp;issue. It lets hot air from the engine compartment to =
get under the radiator. Many, many, =E2=80=98fixes=E2=80=99 that can =
be&nbsp;done. However, on a hot low humidity day.. well good luck. =
JMO</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>The article =
includes several suggestions.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>One of them =
is to seal the missing section of the stock fan shroud at the =
bottom.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>A list =
member offered a piece he fabricated.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I obtained =
one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope to fit it later this =
year.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Even a few =
degrees of cooling will be worth the =
effort.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Allan =
Ballard<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Mk1a =
Tiger<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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border=3D0 width=3D1280 height=3D960 =
style=3D'width:13.3333in;height:10.0in' id=3D"_x0000_i1025" =
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alt=3Dimage1.jpeg><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Sent from =
my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br><br><o:p=
></o:p></span></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>On Jul 18, =
2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay Laifman &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>=EF=BB=BF<o:=
p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Have you =
looked at this cooling suggestions? &nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaif=
manValance1.asp" =
target=3D"_blank">http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt=
-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>It works =
great in Southern California heat.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>On Tue, Jul =
18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>My Tiger =
can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas.&nbsp; I've read =
through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of =
the suggested modifications.&nbsp; They listed two different pusher =
electric fans in the article but both of them are no longer =
available.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>So, has =
anybody recently installed a pusher fan?&nbsp; If so, what part =
numbers?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Thanks,<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Joe =
Brown<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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that does not apply if you use waterless coolant which will never boil or
puke before you do damage.
also aluminium heads and forged pistons both reduce the max safe temp the
engine can handle as the expansion rates are different to the block.

On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 3:58=E2=80=AFPM Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> w=
rote:

> You need to know your cooling system is clean and free flowing before you
> begin evaluating any cooling problems.
>
>
>
> The temp gauge should always be checked by other means =E2=80=93 infrared
> thermometer or other means
>
might be
> surprised how much crap accumulates in the heater core.
>
> Years ago there were some very good flush products on the market, today
> not so much.
>
=E2=80=93
> this product seems to work.
>
>
>
> Many years ago my engine puked so I flushed the engine.   I cleared the
> heater core which took nearly an hour before the crap stopped come out of
> it.
>
> I installed a coolant recovery bottle =E2=80=93 coolant on the front left=
 tire is
> not good in a right turn.
>
>
>
> I have the Ford 6 bladed fan on my mostly stock 260 engine.
>
> No major overheating problem since.    After expressway runs into slower
> traffic I watch the temp gauge and pop the hood if the temp spikes past 2=
00.
>
>
>
> Read the cooling articles for additional advice and ideas about dealing
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Owain Lloyd
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2023 2:03 AM
> *To:* Jim B <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Cooling Fan
>
>
>
> a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopped.  and spal
> is the go to brand.   still need the horn holes and gap between cross
> member and rad blocked.  cardboard and zip ties does the trick quickly an=
d
> can be replaced with a more permanent solution later if you want.  also
> need a fan shroud.
>
>
>
> personally i've never needed the electric pusher fan because i have a
> small 13" flex fan on the water pump pulley.  that creates enough pull
> if its overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem entirel=
y
> altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the problem.  there are a bun=
ch
> one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling issues in the tige=
r
> over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad top hose.  at lea=
st
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers <[email-masked]=
am.net>
a decade
.
y sure is
ld
on a hot low
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> Joe Brown

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<div dir=3D"ltr">that does not apply if you use waterless coolant which wil=
l never boil or puke before you do damage.<div>also aluminium heads and for=
ged pistons both reduce the max safe temp the engine can handle as the expa=
nsion rates are different to the block.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 3:58=
=E2=80=AFPM Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">rfraser@=
bluefrog.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex"><div class=3D"msg-742498769869329356"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div =
class=3D"m_-742498769869329356WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">If it is=
 not puking, it is not overheating.=C2=A0 A good adage.<u></u><u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">You nee=
d to examine the basics of the cooling system first.<u></u><u></u></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">You need to know your cooling system is clean and free fl=
owing before you begin evaluating any cooling problems.<u></u><u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The tem=
p gauge should always be checked by other means =E2=80=93 infrared thermome=
ter or other means<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Flush the engine plus flush and back flush the he=
ater core =E2=80=93 you might be surprised how much crap accumulates in the=
 heater core.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Years ago there were =
some very good flush products on the market, today not so much.<u></u><u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The last time I flushed a cooling system I use=
d Thermocure by Evaporust =E2=80=93 this product seems to work.<u></u><u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>Many years ago my engine puked so I flushed the engine.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I clea=
red the heater core which took nearly an hour before the crap stopped come =
out of it.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I installed a coolant re=
covery bottle =E2=80=93 coolant on the front left tire is not good in a rig=
ht turn.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">I have the Ford 6 bladed fan on my mostly stock 260 en=
gine. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">No major overheating problem=
 since.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 After expressway runs into slower traffic I watch=
 the temp gauge and pop the hood if the temp spikes past 200.<u></u><u></u>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">R=
ead the cooling articles for additional advice and ideas about dealing with=
 any cooling issues you still have.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>F=
rom:</b> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Owain=
 Lloyd<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 19, 2023 2:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jim B=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Cooling Fan<=
u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">I think michael hit the nail on the head.=C2=A0 first need=
 to know is it overheating when stationary / moving slowly or at speed?<u><=
/u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal">a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or w=
hen stopped.=C2=A0 and spal is the go to brand.=C2=A0 =C2=A0still need the =
horn holes and gap between cross member and rad blocked.=C2=A0 cardboard an=
d zip ties does the trick quickly and can be replaced with a more permanent=
=C2=A0solution later if you want.=C2=A0 also need a fan shroud.<u></u><u></=
u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">personally i&#39;ve never needed the electric pusher fan b=
ecause i have a small 13&quot; flex fan on the water pump pulley.=C2=A0 tha=
t creates enough pull through the radiator at idle.<u></u><u></u></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">if its=C2=A0overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another p=
roblem entirely and there are a variety=C2=A0of other things to check.<u></=
u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">in my case its fuel boiling in the carb=
 under certain conditions=C2=A0(slowing down after running fast in really h=
igh ambient temps above a particular altitude) rather than coolant temp whi=
ch is the problem.=C2=A0 there are a bunch of things i could do there, most=
 importantly a carb heat shield, but i&#39;ve=C2=A0only suffered from it on=
ce.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">one thing i&#39;ve found very useful =
for debugging cooling issues in the tiger over the years is having a glass =
gano filter in the rad top hose.=C2=A0 at least you can see how the coolant=
 is circulating which helps with thermostat or water pump issues and if you=
&#39;re used to how it should look, even how blocked the radiator is.<u></u=
><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div=
></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:n=
one;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt">I=E2=80=99ve been readin=
g=C2=A0about cooling issues with tigers for more that a decade (much less t=
han some reading this) blocking horn holes, pusher fans, and shrouds etc et=
c. Entire studies have been done on=C2=A0this issue. Just check STOA, CAT o=
r any club site. All good reads! I think the first place to start is=C2=A0k=
nowing what the actual=C2=A0engine team really is. We all know that the ori=
ginal temp guage can be off. The other thing is: as a dyed in the wool ford=
 guy, 185 degrees is the optimal engine temp. But, Ford engines can get to =
195-200 degrees easily and that is not=C2=A0necessarily a bad thing. Yes, I=
 put a pusher in mine only because I had one. I=E2=80=99m not really sure i=
s does=C2=A0anything. My=C2=A0original guage can show 225-230 on =C2=A0a ho=
t day (humidity plays a bitg role) but never has pucked out fluid. The desi=
gn of the should is an=C2=A0issue. It lets hot air from the engine compartm=
ent to get under the radiator. Many, many, =E2=80=98fixes=E2=80=99 that can=
 be=C2=A0done. However, on a hot low humidity day.. well good luck. JMO</sp=
an><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u=
></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:H=
elvetica,sans-serif">The article includes several suggestions.</span><u></u=
><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-f=
amily:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-s=
erif">One of them is to seal the missing section of the stock fan shroud at=
 the bottom.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9=
pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">A list member offered a piece he fabri=
cated.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;fon=
t-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">I obtained one and here are a couple of pict=
ures. I hope to fit it later this year.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,s=
ans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Even a few =
degrees of cooling will be worth the effort.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvet=
ica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Allan =
Ballard<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Mk1a Tiger<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9p=
t;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-=
size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"1280"=
 height=3D"960" style=3D"width: 13.3333in; height: 10in;" id=3D"m_-74249876=
9869329356_x0000_i1025" src=3D"cid:1896e828a2d4ce8e91" alt=3D"image0.jpeg">=
<img border=3D"0" width=3D"1280" height=3D"960" style=3D"width: 13.3333in; =
height: 10in;" id=3D"m_-742498769869329356_x0000_i1026" src=3D"cid:1896e828=
a2d5b006a2" alt=3D"image1.jpeg"><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Se=
nt from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br><br><u>=
</u><u></u></span></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt=
"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay=
 Laifman &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">jay=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote></di=
v><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">=
=EF=BB=BF<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Have you looked at this=
 cooling suggestions? =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips/Ste=
veLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp" target=3D"_blank">http://tige=
rsunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp</a><u=
></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helve=
tica,sans-serif">It works great in Southern California heat.<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;f=
ont-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sa=
ns-serif">On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:non=
e;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-ser=
if">My Tiger can&#39;t keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas.=C2=A0=
 I&#39;ve read through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will m=
ake some of the suggested modifications.=C2=A0 They listed two different pu=
sher electric fans in the article but both of them are no longer available.=
<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Hel=
vetica,sans-serif">So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan?=C2=A0 I=
f so, what part numbers?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-f=
amily:Helvetica,sans-serif">Joe Brown<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><=
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Thanks for all of the replies.  I have a mostly stock engine (with
Edelbrock intake and 4 bbl.) and stock radiator.  I have a temperature
gauge mounted on the intake and the engine seems to run a little over 200
at idle but I haven't had any problems while driving the car.  My problem
right now is that I took the car out one afternoon when the temperature was
over 100 degrees and when I pulled into the garage and shut the engine off
it puked some water onto the floor.  The temp gauge was showing around 250
degrees at that point.

I already have the lower shroud on my radiator and I am making some horn
opening covers today.  I will also look at blocking off the area below the
radiator.  I have read all of the articles that people have referred to and
I believe I have an airflow problem at low speeds.  So I was just looking
for pusher fan recommendations at this point.

The best advice is to probably not drive in 100+ degree weather.

Thanks,
Joe Brown

On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 8:33=E2=80=AFAM LARRY PAULICK via Tigers <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock
> tiger, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air come=
s
> through the radiator down towards the ground and circles back through the
> radiator again. So essentially you're just recycling hot air from your ow=
n
> radiator.  It works.
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am.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I=E2=80=99ve been reading about cooling issues with tigers for more that=
 a decade
>> can get to 195-200 degrees easily and that is not necessarily a bad thin=
g.
>> Yes, I put a pusher in mine only because I had one. I=E2=80=99m not real=
ly sure is
>> does anything. My original guage can show 225-230 on  a hot day (humidit=
y
>> plays a bitg role) but never has pucked out fluid. The design of the sho=
uld
>> is an issue. It lets hot air from the engine compartment to get under th=
e
>> radiator. Many, many, =E2=80=98fixes=E2=80=99 that can be done. However,=
 on a hot low
>> One of them is to seal the missing section of the stock fan shroud at th=
e
>> http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanVala=
nce1.asp
>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
>>
>>> My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas.  I've rea=
d
>>> through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of=
 the
>>> suggested modifications.  They listed two different pusher electric fan=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for all of the replies.=C2=A0 I have a mostly stock=
 engine (with Edelbrock intake and 4 bbl.) and stock radiator.=C2=A0 I have=
 a temperature gauge mounted on the intake and the engine seems to run a li=
ttle over 200 at idle but I haven&#39;t had any problems while driving the =
car.=C2=A0 My problem right now is that I took the car out one afternoon wh=
en the temperature was over 100 degrees and when I pulled into the garage a=
nd shut the engine off it puked some water onto the floor.=C2=A0 The temp g=
auge was showing around 250 degrees at that point.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div><br></di=
v><div>I already have the lower shroud on my radiator and I am making some =
horn opening covers today.=C2=A0 I will also look at blocking off the area =
below the radiator.=C2=A0 I have read all of the articles that people have =
referred to and I believe I have an airflow problem at low speeds.=C2=A0 So=
 I was just looking for pusher fan recommendations at this point.=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0</div><div><br></div><div>The best advice is to probably not drive in 10=
0+ degree weather.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</di=
v></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 8:33=E2=80=AFAM LARRY PAULICK via Tigers &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I made a cus=
tom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock tiger, fan shroud=
. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air comes through the radia=
tor down towards the ground and circles back through the radiator again. So=
 essentially you&#39;re just recycling hot air from your own radiator.=C2=
=A0 It works.=C2=A0<br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jul 19, 2=
023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman;font-size:18px;font-style:normal=
;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:=
start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0=
px;text-decoration:none">I think michael hit the nail on the head.=C2=A0 fi=
rst need to know is it overheating when stationary / moving slowly or at sp=
eed?<div><br></div><div>a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or wh=
en stopped.=C2=A0 and spal is the go to brand.=C2=A0 =C2=A0still need the h=
orn holes and gap between cross member and rad blocked.=C2=A0 cardboard and=
 zip ties does the trick quickly and can be replaced with a more permanent=
=C2=A0solution later if you want.=C2=A0 also need a fan shroud.<div><br></d=
iv><div>personally i&#39;ve never needed the electric pusher fan because i =
have a small 13&quot; flex fan on the water pump pulley.=C2=A0 that creates=
 enough pull through the radiator at idle.</div><div><br></div><div>if its=
=C2=A0overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem entirely a=
nd there are a variety=C2=A0of other things to check.</div></div><div><br><=
/div><div>in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain conditions=
=C2=A0(slowing down after running fast in really high ambient temps above a=
 particular altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the problem.=C2=A0 =
there are a bunch of things i could do there, most importantly a carb heat =
shield, but i&#39;ve=C2=A0only suffered from it once.</div><div><br></div><=
div>one thing i&#39;ve found very useful for debugging cooling issues in th=
e tiger over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad top hose.=
=C2=A0 at least you can see how the coolant is circulating which helps with=
 thermostat or water pump issues and if you&#39;re used to how it should lo=
ok, even how blocked the radiator is.</div><div><br></div></div><br style=
=3D"font-family:Times-Roman;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-c=
aps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-inde=
nt:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decorat=
ion:none"><div class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman;font-=
size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter=
-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-=
space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
eam.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div><font size=3D"4">I=E2=80=99ve been reading=C2=A0about cooling i=
ssues with tigers for more that a decade (much less than some reading this)=
 blocking horn holes, pusher fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire studies have=
 been done on=C2=A0this issue. Just check STOA, CAT or any club site. All g=
ood reads! I think the first place to start is=C2=A0knowing what the actual=
=C2=A0engine team really is. We all know that the original temp guage can b=
e off. The other thing is: as a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degrees is t=
he optimal engine temp. But, Ford engines can get to 195-200 degrees easily=
 and that is not=C2=A0necessarily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher in mine =
only because I had one. I=E2=80=99m not really sure is does=C2=A0anything. =
My=C2=A0original guage can show 225-230 on =C2=A0a hot day (humidity plays =
a bitg role) but never has pucked out fluid. The design of the should is an=
=C2=A0issue. It lets hot air from the engine compartment to get under the r=
adiator. Many, many, =E2=80=98fixes=E2=80=99 that can be=C2=A0done. However=
, on a hot low humidity day.. well good luck. JMO</font><div><div><br><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
m.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;fon=
t-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;lett=
er-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;whit=
e-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inl=
ine">The article includes several suggestions.</span><div style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;fon=
t-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-tr=
ansform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br>=
</div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;=
font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:s=
tart;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0p=
x;text-decoration:none">One of them is to seal the missing section of the s=
tock fan shroud at the bottom.</div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;fon=
t-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;lett=
er-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;whit=
e-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-cap=
s:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent=
:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoratio=
n:none">A list member offered a piece he fabricated.</div><div style=3D"fon=
t-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:norma=
l;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;te=
xt-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"=
><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:no=
rmal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-al=
ign:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spaci=
ng:0px;text-decoration:none">I obtained one and here are a couple of pictur=
es. I hope to fit it later this year.</div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvet=
ica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:4=
00;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:no=
ne;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div=
 style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-=
indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-dec=
oration:none">Even a few degrees of cooling will be worth the effort.</div>=
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-v=
ariant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;t=
ext-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text=
-decoration:none"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:1=
2px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spaci=
ng:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:=
normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Allan Ballard</div><div style=
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s:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent=
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font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:n=
ormal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norm=
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-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-tra=
nsform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span=
 id=3D"m_8164983089506367030cid:1896cb123c14211b0811">&lt;image0.jpeg&gt;</=
span><span id=3D"m_8164983089506367030cid:1896cb123c143c689202">&lt;image1.=
jpeg&gt;</span><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=
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ifman &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">jay.la=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">Have you looked at thi=
s cooling suggestions? =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips/St=
eveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp" target=3D"_blank">http://tig=
ersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp</a><=
div><br></div><div>It works great in Southern California heat.</div></div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue,=
 Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jbbrown198=
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er can&#39;t keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve =
read through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some o=
f the suggested modifications.=C2=A0 They listed two different pusher elect=
ric fans in the article but both of them are no longer available.<div><br><=
/div><div>So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan?=C2=A0 If so, wha=
t part numbers?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</div><=
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I had my shroud off of the car when I added the lower piece.  You have to
drill some holes and attach with screws or rivets ( I used rivets).  I
think it might be hard to drill the hole while the shroud is in the car.
If I remember right you will also have to remove the fan to get the shroud
back in.

Have Fun,
Joe Brown

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> RE the  added lower fan shroud......does this piece have to be attached
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I had my shroud off of the car when I added the lower piec=
e.=C2=A0 You have to drill some holes and attach with screws or rivets ( I =
used rivets).=C2=A0 I think it might be hard to drill the hole while the sh=
roud is in the car.=C2=A0 If I remember right you will also have to remove =
the fan to get the shroud back in.<div><br></div><div>Have Fun,</div><div>J=
oe Brown</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 9:54=E2=80=AFAM M Lafayette via Tig=
ers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14pt;color:r=
gb(0,0,0)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:bo=
ld">RE the=C2=A0 added lower fan shroud......does this piece have to be att=
ached after the shroud is in place or can the=C2=A0 the complete modified s=
hroud=C2=A0 be slipped on with the fan in place?=C2=A0 Mark L<br></span></d=
iv>
<br>In a message dated 7/19/2023 9:21:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, <a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a> writes:
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px;border-left:2px solid=
 blue">
<div id=3D"m_2374319480007710473yiv2963498244">
<div>I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock =
tiger, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air comes =
through the radiator down towards the ground and circles back through the r=
adiator again. So essentially you&#39;re just recycling hot air from your o=
wn radiator.=C2=A0 It works.=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote>
<div>On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:owain.l=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div=
<br clear=3D"none">
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman;font-size:18px;font-style=
:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transfor=
m:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">I think mi=
chael hit the nail on the head.=C2=A0 first need to know is it overheating =
when stationary / moving slowly or at speed?
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopped.=C2=A0 a=
nd spal is the go to brand.=C2=A0 =C2=A0still need the horn holes and gap b=
etween cross member and rad blocked.=C2=A0 cardboard and zip ties does the =
trick quickly and can be replaced with a more permanent=C2=A0solution later=
 if you want.=C2=A0 also need a fan shroud.
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>personally i&#39;ve never needed the electric pusher fan because i hav=
e a small 13&quot; flex fan on the water pump pulley.=C2=A0 that creates en=
ough pull through the radiator at idle.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>if its=C2=A0overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem=
 entirely and there are a variety=C2=A0of other things to check.</div>
</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain conditions=C2=A0=
(slowing down after running fast in really high ambient temps above a parti=
cular altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the problem.=C2=A0 there =
are a bunch of things i could do there, most importantly a carb heat shield=
, but i&#39;ve=C2=A0only suffered from it once.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>one thing i&#39;ve found very useful for debugging cooling issues in t=
he tiger over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad top hose.=
=C2=A0 at least you can see how the coolant is circulating which helps with=
 thermostat or water pump issues and if you&#39;re used to how it should lo=
ok, even how blocked the radiator is.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<br style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-=
weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-=
space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none" clear=3D"none">
<div style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font=
-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white=
-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow noopener norefe=
rrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:=
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><span style=3D"font-size:large">I=E2=80=99ve been reading=C2=A0about c=
ooling issues with tigers for more that a decade (much less than some readi=
ng this) blocking horn holes, pusher fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire stud=
ies have been done on=C2=A0this issue. Just check STOA, CAT or any club sit=
e. All good reads! I think the first place to start is=C2=A0knowing what th=
e actual=C2=A0engine team really is. We all know that the original temp gua=
ge can be off. The other thing is: as a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degr=
ees is the optimal engine temp. But, Ford engines can get to 195-200 degree=
s easily and that is not=C2=A0necessarily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher =
in mine only because I had one. I=E2=80=99m not really sure is does=C2=A0an=
ything. My=C2=A0original guage can show 225-230 on =C2=A0a hot day (humidit=
y plays a bitg role) but never has pucked out fluid. The design of the shou=
ld is an=C2=A0issue. It lets hot air from the engine compartment to get und=
er the radiator. Many, many, =E2=80=98fixes=E2=80=99 that can be=C2=A0done.=
 However, on a hot low humidity day.. well good luck. JMO</span>
<div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
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<div>On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aball=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;=
font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;w=
hite-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:=
inline">The article includes several suggestions.</span>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-w=
eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-w=
eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">One of them is to seal t=
he missing section of the stock fan shroud at the bottom.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-w=
eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-w=
eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">A list member offered a =
piece he fabricated.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-w=
eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-w=
eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">I obtained one and here =
are a couple of pictures. I hope to fit it later this year.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-w=
eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-w=
eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Even a few degrees of co=
oling will be worth the effort.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-w=
eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">=C2=A0</div>
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eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Allan Ballard</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">My Tiger can&#39;t keep up with this 100 degree weather in=
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 09:12:39 -0700

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I'm sure there are many variations of a lower fan shroud. For someone 
who likes to consider options this is the style I made. As to the 
question asked, in my case the lower shroud had to be in place..., then 
the upper shroud installed. I can't remember the order the fan went on. 
The second picture doesn't show much but the shroud is in place. The 
yellow fan is the Volvo fan. I also have what is probably the/last to 
ever be found  in a Pick Your Part yard/,  coveted *Maverick Fan, - yet 
to be installed. The Volvo fan was popular because it fit over the 
larger WP hub on the Tiger. Others have machined the opening or have a 
replacement WP with the smaller, more common hub.

  * Maybe someone else can remember better but I recall the Maverick fan 
had to come off a 6 cylinder A/C car used in a short time period. Good 
luck finding a Maverick today much less the appropriate fan. - OK,  I 
did a quick search and came up with this: /"//re; the C9DZ8600A fan, 
(going back a few days here) and it's origins, it came on the earliest 
mavericks, 69.5 onwards, 6 cylinder engine with A/C ONLY. often referred 
to as the Canadian fan, it was made in Canada and if you find one in 
nice enough condition it will probably be stamped accordingly in white. 
It is lightweight aluminum, 4 rivets per blade, each of the 6 blades 
blade stamped on the back C9DE (A), fomoco."/

On 7/19/2023 6:37 AM, M Lafayette via Tigers wrote:
> RE the  added lower fan shroud......does this piece have to be 
> attached after the shroud is in place or can the the complete modified 
> shroud  be slipped on with the fan in place?  Mark L
>
>     I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the
>     stock tiger, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and
>     the air comes through the radiator down towards the ground and
>     circles back through the radiator again. So essentially you're
>     just recycling hot air from your own radiator.  It works.
>
>     I think michael hit the nail on the head.  first need to know is
>     it overheating when stationary / moving slowly or at speed?
>     a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopped. 
>     and spal is the go to brand.   still need the horn holes and gap
>     between cross member and rad blocked.  cardboard and zip ties does
>     the trick quickly and can be replaced with a more
>     permanent solution later if you want.  also need a fan shroud.
>     personally i've never needed the electric pusher fan because i
>     have a small 13" flex fan on the water pump pulley.  that creates
>     enough pull through the radiator at idle.
>     if its overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem
>     in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain
>     conditions (slowing down after running fast in really high ambient
>     temps above a particular altitude) rather than coolant temp which
>     is the problem.  there are a bunch of things i could do there,
>     most importantly a carb heat shield, but i've only suffered from
>     it once.
>     one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling issues in
>     the tiger over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad
>     top hose.  at least you can see how the coolant is circulating
>     which helps with thermostat or water pump issues and if you're
>     used to how it should look, even how blocked the radiator is.
>
>     On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41 AM Jim B via Tigers
>     <[email-masked]> wrote:
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>         I’ve been reading about cooling issues with tigers for more
>         that a decade (much less than some reading this) blocking horn
>         holes, pusher fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire studies have
>         been done on this issue. Just check STOA, CAT or any club
>         site. All good reads! I think the first place to start
>         is knowing what the actual engine team really is. We all know
>         that the original temp guage can be off. The other thing is:
>         as a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the optimal
>         engine temp. But, Ford engines can get to 195-200 degrees
>         easily and that is not necessarily a bad thing. Yes, I put a
>         pusher in mine only because I had one. I’m not really sure is
>         does anything. My original guage can show 225-230 on  a hot
>         day (humidity plays a bitg role) but never has pucked out
>         fluid. The design of the should is an issue. It lets hot air
>         from the engine compartment to get under the radiator. Many,
>         many, ‘fixes’ that can be done. However, on a hot low humidity
>             One of them is to seal the missing section of the stock
>             fan shroud at the bottom.
>             I obtained one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope
>             to fit it later this year.
>                     My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree
>                     weather in Texas.  I've read through the article
>                     by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some
>                     of the suggested modifications. They listed two
>                     different pusher electric fans in the article but
>                     both of them are no longer available.
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    <p>I'm sure there are many variations of a lower fan shroud. For
      someone who likes to consider options this is the style I made. As
      to the question asked, in my case the lower shroud had to be in
      place..., then the upper shroud installed. I can't remember the
      order the fan went on. The second picture doesn't show much but
      the shroud is in place. The yellow fan is the Volvo fan. I also
      have what is probably the<i> last to ever be found  in a Pick Your
        Part yard</i>,  coveted *Maverick Fan, - yet to be installed.
      The Volvo fan was popular because it fit over the larger WP hub on
      the Tiger. Others have machined the opening or have a replacement
      WP with the smaller, more common hub.</p>
    <p> * Maybe someone else can remember better but I recall the
      Maverick fan had to come off a 6 cylinder A/C car used in a short
      time period. Good luck finding a Maverick today much less the
      appropriate fan. - OK,  I did a quick search and came up with
      this: <i>"</i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
        Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style:
        normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps:
        normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2;
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        white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);
        text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style:
        initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
        !important; float: none;"><i>re; the C9DZ8600A fan, (going back
          a few days here) and it's origins, it came on the earliest
          mavericks, 69.5 onwards, 6 cylinder engine with A/C ONLY.
          often referred to as the Canadian fan, it was made in Canada
          and if you find one in nice enough condition it will probably
          be stamped accordingly in white. It is lightweight aluminum, 4
          rivets per blade, each of the 6 blades blade stamped on the
          back C9DE (A), fomoco."</i><span> <br>
        </span></span></p>
    <p><img src="cid:[email-masked]" alt=""
        width="1043" height="374"> <img
        src="cid:[email-masked]" alt="" width="385"
        height="378"></p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/19/2023 6:37 AM, M Lafayette via
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            style="color: #000000; font-style: normal; font-weight:
            bold;">RE the  added lower fan shroud......does this piece
            have to be attached after the shroud is in place or can the 
            the complete modified shroud  be slipped on with the fan in
            place?  Mark L<br>
          </span></div>
        <br>
        In a message dated 7/19/2023 9:21:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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              <div>I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not
                exist for the stock tiger, fan shroud. I did smoke test
                with the car at idle and the air comes through the
                radiator down towards the ground and circles back
                through the radiator again. So essentially you're just
                recycling hot air from your own radiator.  It works. <br
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                    <div>On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd
                      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:</div>
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              <div>
                <div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Times-Roman;
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                  letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px;
                  text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                  word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">I think
                  michael hit the nail on the head.  first need to know
                  is it overheating when stationary / moving slowly or
                  at speed?
                  <div> </div>
                  <div>a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or
                    when stopped.  and spal is the go to brand.   still
                    need the horn holes and gap between cross member and
                    rad blocked.  cardboard and zip ties does the trick
                    quickly and can be replaced with a more
                    permanent solution later if you want.  also need a
                    fan shroud.
                    <div> </div>
                    <div>personally i've never needed the electric
                      pusher fan because i have a small 13" flex fan on
                      the water pump pulley.  that creates enough pull
                      through the radiator at idle.</div>
                    <div> </div>
                    <div>if its overheating at more than 30/40mph then
                      its another problem entirely and there are a
                      variety of other things to check.</div>
                  </div>
                  <div> </div>
                  <div>in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under
                    certain conditions (slowing down after running fast
                    in really high ambient temps above a particular
                    altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the
                    problem.  there are a bunch of things i could do
                    there, most importantly a carb heat shield, but
                    i've only suffered from it once.</div>
                  <div> </div>
                  <div>one thing i've found very useful for debugging
                    cooling issues in the tiger over the years is having
                    a glass gano filter in the rad top hose.  at least
                    you can see how the coolant is circulating which
                    helps with thermostat or water pump issues and if
                    you're used to how it should look, even how blocked
                    the radiator is.</div>
                  <div> </div>
                </div>
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                  <div class="yiv2963498244gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed,
                    Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41 AM Jim B via Tigers &lt;<a
                      href="mailto:[email-masked]"
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                    <div><span style="font-size: large;">I’ve been
                        reading about cooling issues with tigers for
                        more that a decade (much less than some reading
                        this) blocking horn holes, pusher fans, and
                        shrouds etc etc. Entire studies have been done
                        on this issue. Just check STOA, CAT or any club
                        site. All good reads! I think the first place to
                        start is knowing what the actual engine team
                        really is. We all know that the original temp
                        guage can be off. The other thing is: as a dyed
                        in the wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the optimal
                        engine temp. But, Ford engines can get to
                        195-200 degrees easily and that is
                        not necessarily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher
                        in mine only because I had one. I’m not really
                        sure is does anything. My original guage can
                        show 225-230 on  a hot day (humidity plays a
                        bitg role) but never has pucked out fluid. The
                        design of the should is an issue. It lets hot
                        air from the engine compartment to get under the
                        radiator. Many, many, ‘fixes’ that can be done.
                        However, on a hot low humidity day.. well good
                        luck. JMO</span>
                      <div>
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                            <div>On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan
                              Ballard &lt;<a
                                href="mailto:[email-masked]"
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                              wrote:</div>
                            <br clear="none">
                            <div><span style="font-family: Helvetica;
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                                normal; text-indent: 0px;
                                text-transform: none; white-space:
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                                display: inline;">The article includes
                                several suggestions.</span>
                              <div style="font-family: Helvetica;
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                                font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
                                normal; text-indent: 0px;
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                                text-decoration: none;"> </div>
                              <div style="font-family: Helvetica;
                                font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                                font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
                                normal; text-indent: 0px;
                                text-transform: none; white-space:
                                normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                                text-decoration: none;">One of them is
                                to seal the missing section of the stock
                                fan shroud at the bottom.</div>
                              <div style="font-family: Helvetica;
                                font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                                font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
                                normal; text-indent: 0px;
                                text-transform: none; white-space:
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                                text-decoration: none;"> </div>
                              <div style="font-family: Helvetica;
                                font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                                font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
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                                text-decoration: none;">A list member
                                offered a piece he fabricated.</div>
                              <div style="font-family: Helvetica;
                                font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                                font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
                                normal; text-indent: 0px;
                                text-transform: none; white-space:
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                                text-decoration: none;"> </div>
                              <div style="font-family: Helvetica;
                                font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                                font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
                                normal; text-indent: 0px;
                                text-transform: none; white-space:
                                normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                                text-decoration: none;">I obtained one
                                and here are a couple of pictures. I
                                hope to fit it later this year.</div>
                              <div style="font-family: Helvetica;
                                font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                                font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
                                normal; text-indent: 0px;
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                                text-decoration: none;"> </div>
                              <div style="font-family: Helvetica;
                                font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                                font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
                                normal; text-indent: 0px;
                                text-transform: none; white-space:
                                normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                                text-decoration: none;">Even a few
                                degrees of cooling will be worth the
                                effort.</div>
                              <div style="font-family: Helvetica;
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                                font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
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                                    <blockquote>On Jul 18, 2023, at
                                      10:57 PM, Jay Laifman &lt;<a
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                                      <div dir="ltr">Have you looked at
                                        this cooling suggestions?  <a
href="http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp"
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                                        <div>It works great in Southern
                                          California heat.</div>
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                                          at 3:42 PM Joe Brown &lt;<a
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                                          <div dir="ltr">My Tiger can't
                                            keep up with this 100 degree
                                            weather in Texas.  I've read
                                            through the article by Tiger
                                            Tom and Chuck King and I
                                            will make some of the
                                            suggested modifications. 
                                            They listed two different
                                            pusher electric fans in the
                                            article but both of them are
                                            no longer available.
                                            <div> </div>
                                            <div>So, has anybody
                                              recently installed a
                                              pusher fan?  If so, what
                                              part numbers?</div>
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                                            <div>Thanks,</div>
                                            <div>Joe Brown</div>
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My fan is pretty close to the radiator. I can't remove or install fan with =
radiator in place.=C2=A0 Will do some more research.

In a message dated 7/19/2023 11:30:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, jbbrown1980=
@gmail.com writes:=C2=A0
I had my shroud off of the car when I added the lower piece.=C2=A0 You have=
 to drill some holes and attach with screws or rivets ( I used rivets).=C2=
=A0 I think it might be hard to drill the hole while the shroud is in the c=
ar.=C2=A0 If I remember right you will also have to remove the fan to get t=
he shroud back in.=C2=A0Have Fun,Joe Brown
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RE the=C2=A0 added lower fan shroud......does this piece have to be attache=
d after the shroud is in place or can the=C2=A0 the complete modified shrou=
d=C2=A0 be slipped on with the fan in place?=C2=A0 Mark L

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 font-size: 14pt; color: #000000;"><span style=3D"color: #000000; font-styl=
e: normal; font-weight: bold;">My fan is pretty close to the radiator. I ca=
n't remove or install fan with radiator in place.&nbsp; Will do some more r=
esearch.<br></span></div>
<br>In a message dated 7/19/2023 11:30:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, jbbrown=
[email-masked] writes:
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I had my shroud off of the car when I added the lower piec=
e.&nbsp; You have to drill some holes and attach with screws or rivets ( I =
used rivets).&nbsp; I think it might be hard to drill the hole while the sh=
roud is in the car.&nbsp; If I remember right you will also have to remove =
the fan to get the shroud back in.
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Have Fun,</div>
<div>Joe Brown</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3503361633gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at =
9:54=E2=80=AFAM M Lafayette via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"re=
ct">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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<div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; c=
olor: #000000;"><span style=3D"color: #000000; font-style: normal; font-wei=
ght: bold;">RE the&nbsp; added lower fan shroud......does this piece have t=
o be attached after the shroud is in place or can the&nbsp; the complete mo=
dified shroud&nbsp; be slipped on with the fan in place?&nbsp; Mark L<br cl=
ear=3D"none"></span></div>
<br clear=3D"none">In a message dated 7/19/2023 9:21:49 AM Eastern Standard=
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<div>I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock =
tiger, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air comes =
through the radiator down towards the ground and circles back through the r=
adiator again. So essentially you're just recycling hot air from your own r=
adiator.&nbsp; It works.&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none">
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<div>On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:owain.l=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shap=
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<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-s=
tyle: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; t=
ext-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoratio=
n: none;">I think michael hit the nail on the head.&nbsp; first need to kno=
w is it overheating when stationary / moving slowly or at speed?
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopped.&nbsp; a=
nd spal is the go to brand.&nbsp; &nbsp;still need the horn holes and gap b=
etween cross member and rad blocked.&nbsp; cardboard and zip ties does the =
trick quickly and can be replaced with a more permanent&nbsp;solution later=
 if you want.&nbsp; also need a fan shroud.
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>personally i've never needed the electric pusher fan because i have a =
small 13" flex fan on the water pump pulley.&nbsp; that creates enough pull=
 through the radiator at idle.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>if its&nbsp;overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem=
 entirely and there are a variety&nbsp;of other things to check.</div>
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain conditions&nbsp;=
(slowing down after running fast in really high ambient temps above a parti=
cular altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the problem.&nbsp; there =
are a bunch of things i could do there, most importantly a carb heat shield=
, but i've&nbsp;only suffered from it once.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling issues in the t=
iger over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad top hose.&nbsp=
; at least you can see how the coolant is circulating which helps with ther=
mostat or water pump issues and if you're used to how it should look, even =
how blocked the radiator is.</div>
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<div><span style=3D"font-size: large;">I&rsquo;ve been reading&nbsp;about c=
ooling issues with tigers for more that a decade (much less than some readi=
ng this) blocking horn holes, pusher fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire stud=
ies have been done on&nbsp;this issue. Just check STOA, CAT or any club sit=
e. All good reads! I think the first place to start is&nbsp;knowing what th=
e actual&nbsp;engine team really is. We all know that the original temp gua=
ge can be off. The other thing is: as a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degr=
ees is the optimal engine temp. But, Ford engines can get to 195-200 degree=
s easily and that is not&nbsp;necessarily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher =
in mine only because I had one. I&rsquo;m not really sure is does&nbsp;anyt=
hing. My&nbsp;original guage can show 225-230 on &nbsp;a hot day (humidity =
plays a bitg role) but never has pucked out fluid. The design of the should=
 is an&nbsp;issue. It lets hot air from the engine compartment to get under=
 the radiator. Many, many, &lsquo;fixes&rsquo; that can be&nbsp;done. Howev=
er, on a hot low humidity day.. well good luck. JMO</span>
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<div>On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aball=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" s=
hape=3D"rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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<div><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: no=
rmal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-tran=
sform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;=
 float: none; display: inline;">The article includes several suggestions.</=
span>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
 none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">&nbs=
p;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
 none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">One =
of them is to seal the missing section of the stock fan shroud at the botto=
m.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
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p;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
 none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">A li=
st member offered a piece he fabricated.</div>
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font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
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p;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
 none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">I ob=
tained one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope to fit it later this y=
ear.</div>
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font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
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p;</div>
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font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
 none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Even=
 a few degrees of cooling will be worth the effort.</div>
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p;</div>
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n Ballard</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Have you looked at this cooling suggestions? &nbsp;<a href=
=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanVal=
ance1.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"=
rect">http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanV=
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<div>It works great in Southern California heat.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Tex=
as.&nbsp; I've read through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I w=
ill make some of the suggested modifications.&nbsp; They listed two differe=
nt pusher electric fans in the article but both of them are no longer avail=
able.
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan?&nbsp; If so, what par=
t numbers?</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Joe Brown</div>
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Hmmm.  This made me wonder.  What about the system that is not puking, but
that's because the radiator pressure cap is too high and the rubber hoses
are on the verge of popping?  I don't know that I've ever seen a coolant
system pressure gauge.  I wonder if that could be a good idea.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hmmm.=C2=A0 This made me wonder.=C2=A0 What about the syst=
em that is not puking, but that&#39;s because the radiator pressure cap is =
too high and the rubber hoses are on the verge of popping?=C2=A0 I don&#39;=
t know that I&#39;ve ever seen a coolant system pressure gauge.=C2=A0 I won=
der if that could be a good idea.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 8:42=E2=80=AFAM Ro=
n Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-c=
olor:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"msg266525281427920475=
8"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"m_2665252814279204758WordSection1"><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">If it is not puking, it is not overheating.=C2=A0 A goo=
d adage.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">You need to examine the basics of the cooling system f=
irst.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">You need to know your cooling=
 system is clean and free flowing before you begin evaluating any cooling p=
roblems.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">The temp gauge should always be checked by other means=
 =E2=80=93 infrared thermometer or other means<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Flush the engine plus=
 flush and back flush the heater core =E2=80=93 you might be surprised how =
much crap accumulates in the heater core.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">Years ago there were some very good flush products on the market, to=
day not so much.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The last time I fl=
ushed a cooling system I used Thermocure by Evaporust =E2=80=93 this produc=
t seems to work.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Many years ago my engine puked so I flushed th=
e engine.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I cleared the heater core which took nearly an hour b=
efore the crap stopped come out of it.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">I installed a coolant recovery bottle =E2=80=93 coolant on the front le=
ft tire is not good in a right turn.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have the Ford 6 bladed f=
an on my mostly stock 260 engine. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
No major overheating problem since.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 After expressway runs=
 into slower traffic I watch the temp gauge and pop the hood if the temp sp=
ikes past 200.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Read the cooling articles for additional advice =
and ideas about dealing with any cooling issues you still have.<u></u><u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bo=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Owain Lloyd<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 19, 2023=
 2:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jim B &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:tigers@=
autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:<=
/b> Re: [Tigers] Cooling Fan<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think michael hit the nail =
on the head.=C2=A0 first need to know is it overheating when stationary / m=
oving slowly or at speed?<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">a pusher fan will onl=
y help at very low speed or when stopped.=C2=A0 and spal is the go to brand=
.=C2=A0 =C2=A0still need the horn holes and gap between cross member and ra=
d blocked.=C2=A0 cardboard and zip ties does the trick quickly and can be r=
eplaced with a more permanent=C2=A0solution later if you want.=C2=A0 also n=
eed a fan shroud.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">personally i&#39;ve never n=
eeded the electric pusher fan because i have a small 13&quot; flex fan on t=
he water pump pulley.=C2=A0 that creates enough pull through the radiator a=
t idle.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">if its=C2=A0overheating at more t=
han 30/40mph then its another problem entirely and there are a variety=C2=
=A0of other things to check.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">in my =
case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain conditions=C2=A0(slowing do=
wn after running fast in really high ambient temps above a particular altit=
ude) rather than coolant temp which is the problem.=C2=A0 there are a bunch=
 of things i could do there, most importantly a carb heat shield, but i&#39=
;ve=C2=A0only suffered from it once.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">on=
e thing i&#39;ve found very useful for debugging cooling issues in the tige=
r over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad top hose.=C2=A0 a=
t least you can see how the coolant is circulating which helps with thermos=
tat or water pump issues and if you&#39;re used to how it should look, even=
 how blocked the radiator is.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=
=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></di=
v><blockquote style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:=
1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:=
4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:13.5pt">I=E2=80=99ve been reading=C2=A0about cooling issues with tigers f=
or more that a decade (much less than some reading this) blocking horn hole=
s, pusher fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire studies have been done on=C2=A0=
this issue. Just check STOA, CAT or any club site. All good reads! I think =
the first place to start is=C2=A0knowing what the actual=C2=A0engine team r=
eally is. We all know that the original temp guage can be off. The other th=
ing is: as a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the optimal engine t=
emp. But, Ford engines can get to 195-200 degrees easily and that is not=C2=
=A0necessarily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher in mine only because I had =
one. I=E2=80=99m not really sure is does=C2=A0anything. My=C2=A0original gu=
age can show 225-230 on =C2=A0a hot day (humidity plays a bitg role) but ne=
ver has pucked out fluid. The design of the should is an=C2=A0issue. It let=
s hot air from the engine compartment to get under the radiator. Many, many=
, =E2=80=98fixes=E2=80=99 that can be=C2=A0done. However, on a hot low humi=
dity day.. well good luck. JMO</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5p=
t;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 P=
M, Allan Ballard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">The article includes=
 several suggestions.</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">One of them is to seal the missing =
section of the stock fan shroud at the bottom.<u></u><u></u></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helv=
etica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">A li=
st member offered a piece he fabricated.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,=
sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">I obtained=
 one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope to fit it later this year.<u=
></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family=
:Helvetica,sans-serif">Even a few degrees of cooling will be worth the effo=
rt.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font=
-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Allan Ballard<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helveti=
ca,sans-serif">Mk1a Tiger<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
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if"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"1280" height=3D"960" style=3D"width: 13.3333=
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ee782e84ce8e91" alt=3D"image0.jpeg"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"1280" height=
=3D"960" style=3D"width: 13.3333in; height: 10in;" id=3D"m_2665252814279204=
758_x0000_i1026" src=3D"cid:1896ee782e85b006a2" alt=3D"image1.jpeg"><u></u>=
<u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;=
font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></span><=
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ly:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br><br><u></u><u></u></span></p><blockquote style=
=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margi=
n-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-seri=
f">On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay Laifman &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jay.laif=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u=
><u></u></span></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;m=
argin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;=
font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">=EF=BB=BF<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,san=
s-serif">Have you looked at this cooling suggestions? =C2=A0<a href=3D"http=
://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.as=
p" target=3D"_blank">http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/p=
t-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">It works great in Southern=
 California heat.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=
=80=AFPM Joe Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><=
blockquote style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt=
;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8=
pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9=
pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">My Tiger can&#39;t keep up with this 1=
00 degree weather in Texas.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve read through the article by Tige=
r Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of the suggested modifications.=
=C2=A0 They listed two different pusher electric fans in the article but bo=
th of them are no longer available.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-seri=
f"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">So, has anybody rec=
ently installed a pusher fan?=C2=A0 If so, what part numbers?<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;f=
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u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-=
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 18:58:11 +0000 (UTC)

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Wow, I'm guessing even a modern car will have problems at 100+

In a message dated 7/19/2023 12:57:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, jbbrown1980=
@gmail.com writes:=C2=A0
Thanks for all of the replies.=C2=A0 I have a mostly stock engine (with Ede=
lbrock intake and 4 bbl.) and stock radiator.=C2=A0 I have a temperature ga=
uge mounted on the intake and the engine seems to run a little over 200 at =
idle but I haven't had any problems while driving the car.=C2=A0 My problem=
 right now is that I took the car out one afternoon when the temperature wa=
s over 100 degrees and when I pulled into the garage and shut the engine of=
f it puked some water onto the floor.=C2=A0 The temp gauge was showing arou=
nd 250 degrees at that point.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0I already have the lower shr=
oud on my radiator and I am making some horn opening covers today.=C2=A0 I =
will also look at blocking off the area below the radiator.=C2=A0 I have re=
ad all of the articles that people have referred to and I believe I have an=
 airflow problem at low speeds.=C2=A0 So I was just looking for pusher fan =
recommendations at this point.=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0The best advice is to prob=
ably not drive in 100+ degree weather.=C2=A0Thanks,Joe Brown
On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 8:33=E2=80=AFAM LARRY PAULICK via Tigers <tigers@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:
I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock tiger=
, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air comes throu=
gh the radiator down towards the ground and circles back through the radiat=
or again. So essentially you're just recycling hot air from your own radiat=
or.=C2=A0 It works.=C2=A0

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<div class=3D"userEdit" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 14pt; color: #000000;"><span style=3D"color: #000000; font-styl=
e: normal; font-weight: bold;">Wow, I'm guessing even a modern car will hav=
e problems at 100+<br></span></div>
<br>In a message dated 7/19/2023 12:57:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, jbbrown=
[email-masked] writes:
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"quotedReply">
<blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: blue=
 2px solid;">
<div id=3D"yiv6238650332">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for all of the replies.&nbsp; I have a mostly stock=
 engine (with Edelbrock intake and 4 bbl.) and stock radiator.&nbsp; I have=
 a temperature gauge mounted on the intake and the engine seems to run a li=
ttle over 200 at idle but I haven't had any problems while driving the car.=
&nbsp; My problem right now is that I took the car out one afternoon when t=
he temperature was over 100 degrees and when I pulled into the garage and s=
hut the engine off it puked some water onto the floor.&nbsp; The temp gauge=
 was showing around 250 degrees at that point.&nbsp;&nbsp;
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I already have the lower shroud on my radiator and I am making some ho=
rn opening covers today.&nbsp; I will also look at blocking off the area be=
low the radiator.&nbsp; I have read all of the articles that people have re=
ferred to and I believe I have an airflow problem at low speeds.&nbsp; So I=
 was just looking for pusher fan recommendations at this point.&nbsp; &nbsp=
;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The best advice is to probably not drive in 100+ degree weather.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Joe Brown</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
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<div id=3D"yiv6238650332yqt68985" class=3D"yiv6238650332yqt1943869813">
<div class=3D"yiv6238650332gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at =
8:33=E2=80=AFAM LARRY PAULICK via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox=
.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"=
rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv6238650332gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock =
tiger, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air comes =
through the radiator down towards the ground and circles back through the r=
adiator again. So essentially you're just recycling hot air from your own r=
adiator.&nbsp; It works.&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none">
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote>
<div>On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:owain.l=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shap=
e=3D"rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-s=
tyle: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; t=
ext-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoratio=
n: none;">I think michael hit the nail on the head.&nbsp; first need to kno=
w is it overheating when stationary / moving slowly or at speed?
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopped.&nbsp; a=
nd spal is the go to brand.&nbsp; &nbsp;still need the horn holes and gap b=
etween cross member and rad blocked.&nbsp; cardboard and zip ties does the =
trick quickly and can be replaced with a more permanent&nbsp;solution later=
 if you want.&nbsp; also need a fan shroud.
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>personally i've never needed the electric pusher fan because i have a =
small 13" flex fan on the water pump pulley.&nbsp; that creates enough pull=
 through the radiator at idle.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>if its&nbsp;overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem=
 entirely and there are a variety&nbsp;of other things to check.</div>
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain conditions&nbsp;=
(slowing down after running fast in really high ambient temps above a parti=
cular altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the problem.&nbsp; there =
are a bunch of things i could do there, most importantly a carb heat shield=
, but i've&nbsp;only suffered from it once.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling issues in the t=
iger over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad top hose.&nbsp=
; at least you can see how the coolant is circulating which helps with ther=
mostat or water pump issues and if you're used to how it should look, even =
how blocked the radiator is.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<br style=3D"font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal;=
 font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform=
: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;" cle=
ar=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yiv6238650332gmail_quote" style=3D"font-family: Times-Roman; =
font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: norm=
al; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spaci=
ng: 0px; text-decoration: none;">
<div class=3D"yiv6238650332gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at =
7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">ti=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv6238650332gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><span style=3D"font-size: large;">I&rsquo;ve been reading&nbsp;about c=
ooling issues with tigers for more that a decade (much less than some readi=
ng this) blocking horn holes, pusher fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire stud=
ies have been done on&nbsp;this issue. Just check STOA, CAT or any club sit=
e. All good reads! I think the first place to start is&nbsp;knowing what th=
e actual&nbsp;engine team really is. We all know that the original temp gua=
ge can be off. The other thing is: as a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degr=
ees is the optimal engine temp. But, Ford engines can get to 195-200 degree=
s easily and that is not&nbsp;necessarily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher =
in mine only because I had one. I&rsquo;m not really sure is does&nbsp;anyt=
hing. My&nbsp;original guage can show 225-230 on &nbsp;a hot day (humidity =
plays a bitg role) but never has pucked out fluid. The design of the should=
 is an&nbsp;issue. It lets hot air from the engine compartment to get under=
 the radiator. Many, many, &lsquo;fixes&rsquo; that can be&nbsp;done. Howev=
er, on a hot low humidity day.. well good luck. JMO</span>
<div>
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<div>On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aball=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" s=
hape=3D"rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: no=
rmal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-tran=
sform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;=
 float: none; display: inline;">The article includes several suggestions.</=
span>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
 none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">&nbs=
p;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
 none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">One =
of them is to seal the missing section of the stock fan shroud at the botto=
m.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
 none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">&nbs=
p;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
 none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">A li=
st member offered a piece he fabricated.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
 none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">&nbs=
p;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
 none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">I ob=
tained one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope to fit it later this y=
ear.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
 none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">&nbs=
p;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
 none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Even=
 a few degrees of cooling will be worth the effort.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
 none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">&nbs=
p;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
 none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Alla=
n Ballard</div>
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font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
 none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Mk1a=
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font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
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p;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
 none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><spa=
n id=3D"yiv6238650332m_8164983089506367030cid:1896cb123c14211b0811">&lt;ima=
ge0.jpeg&gt;</span><span id=3D"yiv6238650332m_8164983089506367030cid:1896cb=
123c143c689202">&lt;image1.jpeg&gt;</span><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"n=
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:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferr=
er" shape=3D"rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Have you looked at this cooling suggestions? &nbsp;<a href=
=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanVal=
ance1.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"=
rect">http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanV=
alance1.asp</a>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>It works great in Southern California heat.</div>
</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv6238650332gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at =
3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">jbbrown19=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir=3D"ltr">My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Tex=
as.&nbsp; I've read through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I w=
ill make some of the suggested modifications.&nbsp; They listed two differe=
nt pusher electric fans in the article but both of them are no longer avail=
able.
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan?&nbsp; If so, what par=
t numbers?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Joe Brown</div>
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From: LARRY PAULICK via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 15:06:17 -0400

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Joe, I did an article for Tigers United, that describes with photographs =
what I did for the full fans shroud.

http://tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp
BTW, Tigers United has a lot of great articles covering the variety of =
subjects. You might want to check it out.=20

> On Jul 19, 2023, at 10:31 AM, Joe Brown <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Thanks for all of the replies.  I have a mostly stock engine (with =
Edelbrock intake and 4 bbl.) and stock radiator.  I have a temperature =
gauge mounted on the intake and the engine seems to run a little over =
200 at idle but I haven't had any problems while driving the car.  My =
problem right now is that I took the car out one afternoon when the =
temperature was over 100 degrees and when I pulled into the garage and =
shut the engine off it puked some water onto the floor.  The temp gauge =
was showing around 250 degrees at that point. =20
>=20
> I already have the lower shroud on my radiator and I am making some =
horn opening covers today.  I will also look at blocking off the area =
below the radiator.  I have read all of the articles that people have =
referred to and I believe I have an airflow problem at low speeds.  So I =
was just looking for pusher fan recommendations at this point.  =20
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 8:33=E2=80=AFAM LARRY PAULICK via Tigers =
>>=20
>>> On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd <[email-masked] =
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> personally i've never needed the electric pusher fan because i have =
a small 13" flex fan on the water pump pulley.  that creates enough pull =
through the radiator at idle.
at the bottom.
later this year.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan?  If so, what =
part numbers?

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&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for all =
of the replies.&nbsp; I have a mostly stock engine (with Edelbrock =
intake and 4 bbl.) and stock radiator.&nbsp; I have a temperature gauge =
mounted on the intake and the engine seems to run a little over 200 at =
idle but I haven't had any problems while driving the car.&nbsp; My =
problem right now is that I took the car out one afternoon when the =
temperature was over 100 degrees and when I pulled into the garage and =
shut the engine off it puked some water onto the floor.&nbsp; The temp =
gauge was showing around 250 degrees at that =
point.&nbsp;&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I already have the lower shroud on =
my radiator and I am making some horn opening covers today.&nbsp; I will =
also look at blocking off the area below the radiator.&nbsp; I have read =
all of the articles that people have referred to and I believe I have an =
airflow problem at low speeds.&nbsp; So I was just looking for pusher =
fan recommendations at this point.&nbsp; =
&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>The best advice is to probably not drive =
in 100+ degree weather.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe =
Brown</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 8:33=E2=80=AFAM LARRY =
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0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
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shroud, as one does not exist for the stock tiger, fan shroud. I did =
smoke test with the car at idle and the air comes through the radiator =
down towards the ground and circles back through the radiator again. So =
essentially you're just recycling hot air from your own radiator.&nbsp; =
It works.&nbsp;<br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jul 19, =
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xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text=
-decoration:none">I think michael hit the nail on the head.&nbsp; first =
need to know is it overheating when stationary / moving slowly or at =
speed?<div><br></div><div>a pusher fan will only help at very low speed =
or when stopped.&nbsp; and spal is the go to brand.&nbsp; &nbsp;still =
need the horn holes and gap between cross member and rad blocked.&nbsp; =
cardboard and zip ties does the trick quickly and can be replaced with a =
more permanent&nbsp;solution later if you want.&nbsp; also need a fan =
shroud.<div><br></div><div>personally i've never needed the electric =
pusher fan because i have a small 13" flex fan on the water pump =
pulley.&nbsp; that creates enough pull through the radiator at =
idle.</div><div><br></div><div>if its&nbsp;overheating at more than =
30/40mph then its another problem entirely and there are a =
variety&nbsp;of other things to check.</div></div><div><br></div><div>in =
my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain =
conditions&nbsp;(slowing down after running fast in really high ambient =
temps above a particular altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the =
problem.&nbsp; there are a bunch of things i could do there, most =
importantly a carb heat shield, but i've&nbsp;only suffered from it =
once.</div><div><br></div><div>one thing i've found very useful for =
debugging cooling issues in the tiger over the years is having a glass =
gano filter in the rad top hose.&nbsp; at least you can see how the =
coolant is circulating which helps with thermostat or water pump issues =
and if you're used to how it should look, even how blocked the radiator =
is.</div><div><br></div></div><br =
style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-var=
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xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text=
-decoration:none"><div class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-var=
iant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;te=
xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text=
-decoration:none"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 19, =
2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><font size=3D"4">I=E2=80=99ve =
been reading&nbsp;about cooling issues with tigers for more that a =
decade (much less than some reading this) blocking horn holes, pusher =
fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire studies have been done on&nbsp;this =
issue. Just check STOA, CAT or any club site. All good reads! I think =
the first place to start is&nbsp;knowing what the actual&nbsp;engine =
team really is. We all know that the original temp guage can be off. The =
other thing is: as a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the =
optimal engine temp. But, Ford engines can get to 195-200 degrees easily =
and that is not&nbsp;necessarily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher in =
mine only because I had one. I=E2=80=99m not really sure is =
does&nbsp;anything. My&nbsp;original guage can show 225-230 on &nbsp;a =
hot day (humidity plays a bitg role) but never has pucked out fluid. The =
design of the should is an&nbsp;issue. It lets hot air from the engine =
compartment to get under the radiator. Many, many, =E2=80=98fixes=E2=80=99=
 that can be&nbsp;done. However, on a hot low humidity day.. well good =
luck. JMO</font><div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jul 18, =
2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br><div><span =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none;float:none;display:inline">The article includes several =
suggestions.</span><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none"><br></div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none">One of them is to seal the missing section of the stock =
fan shroud at the bottom.</div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none"><br></div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none">A list member offered a piece he fabricated.</div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none"><br></div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none">I obtained one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope =
to fit it later this year.</div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none"><br></div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none">Even a few degrees of cooling will be worth the =
effort.</div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
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ecoration:none"><br></div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
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ecoration:none"><br></div><div =
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nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none"><span =
id=3D"m_8164983089506367030cid:1896cb123c14211b0811">&lt;image0.jpeg&gt;</=
span><span =
id=3D"m_8164983089506367030cid:1896cb123c143c689202">&lt;image1.jpeg&gt;</=
span><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, =
Jay Laifman &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">Have you looked at this cooling =
suggestions? &nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifm=
anValance1.asp" =
target=3D"_blank">http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-=
SteveLaifmanValance1.asp</a><div><br></div><div>It works great in =
Southern California heat.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM =
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">My Tiger can't keep =
up with this 100 degree weather in Texas.&nbsp; I've read through the =
article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of the =
suggested modifications.&nbsp; They listed two different pusher electric =
fans in the article but both of them are no longer =
available.<div><br></div><div>So, has anybody recently installed a =
pusher fan?&nbsp; If so, what part =
numbers?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe =
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