Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ethanol Laced Gasoline

From: M Lafayette via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 20:45:20 +0000 (UTC)

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Some of the stations in the US sell ethanal free gas, but only as high-test=
.=C2=A0

In a message dated 7/22/2023 4:15:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dave@munroe.=
ca writes:=C2=A0
Hello from Nova Scotia!=C2=A0Classic and antique Car owners in Canada have,=
 unfortunately, recently joined the many American enthusiasts=C2=A0who have=
 had to find a way togas up their vintage cars with ethanol-laced gasoline =
without damaging=C2=A0their fuel systems. Our Federal Government is on an u=
nderstandable rampageto do everything in its power to help end Climate Chan=
ge, and=C2=A0this is their latest effort to=C2=A0jump into the fray. (Wheth=
er or not this is a valid or=C2=A0questionable strategy is an issue for ano=
ther time.)=C2=A0I am writing to ask if anyone has come up with an additive=
, (or some other solution) that can cancel the damage that ethanol does to =
gasoline=C2=A0engines. I have heard that aviation fuel is ethanol free, but=
 there are very few airports here that will=C2=A0sell aviation fuel to non-=
aircraft owners.=C2=A0Any help or suggestions=C2=A0would be greatly appreci=
ated by your Canadian car enthusiast=C2=A0Friends.=C2=A0Many thanks for any=
 help you can provide.=C2=A0Dave Munroe, in Nova ScotiaSunbeam Tiger, MGB, =
and Several vulnerable Motorcycles.________________________________________=
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<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #000000;"><span style="color: #000000; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold;">Some of the stations in the US sell ethanal free gas, but only as high-test.&nbsp;<br></span></div>
<br>In a message dated 7/22/2023 4:15:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email-masked] writes:
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: blue 2px solid;">
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<div class="yiv4370450976gmail_default">Hello from Nova Scotia!</div>
<div class="yiv4370450976gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class="yiv4370450976gmail_default">Classic and antique Car owners in Canada have, unfortunately, recently joined the many American enthusiasts&nbsp;who have had to find a way to</div>
<div class="yiv4370450976gmail_default">gas up their vintage cars with ethanol-laced gasoline without damaging&nbsp;their fuel systems. Our Federal Government is on an understandable rampage</div>
<div class="yiv4370450976gmail_default">to do everything in its power to help end Climate Change, and&nbsp;this is their latest effort to&nbsp;jump into the fray. (Whether or not this is a valid or&nbsp;</div>
<div class="yiv4370450976gmail_default">questionable strategy is an issue for another time.)</div>
<div class="yiv4370450976gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class="yiv4370450976gmail_default">I am writing to ask if anyone has come up with an additive, (or some other solution) that can cancel the damage that ethanol does to gasoline&nbsp;</div>
<div class="yiv4370450976gmail_default">engines. I have heard that aviation fuel is ethanol free, but there are very few airports here that will&nbsp;sell aviation fuel to non-aircraft owners.</div>
<div class="yiv4370450976gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class="yiv4370450976gmail_default">Any help or suggestions&nbsp;would be greatly appreciated by your Canadian car enthusiast&nbsp;Friends.</div>
<div class="yiv4370450976gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class="yiv4370450976gmail_default">Many thanks for any help you can provide.</div>
<div class="yiv4370450976gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class="yiv4370450976gmail_default">Dave Munroe, in Nova Scotia</div>
<div class="yiv4370450976gmail_default">Sunbeam Tiger, MGB, and Several vulnerable Motorcycles.</div>
</div>
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From: Owain Lloyd <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 23:00:01 +0200

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what exactly is your concern?  water absorption? or damage to certain
rubbers and natural materials?  anything that could be damaged by E5 or E10
probably shouldn't still be in the car anyway.  60 years old fuel hoses and
carb seals are not a recipe for reliability.  likewise regular use and not
leaving tanks of fuel for months is good advice with or without ethanol.

I generally use E5 in all my cars and bikes.  I don't think its ever caused
a problem.

On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 10:15=E2=80=AFPM Dave Munroe <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

> Hello from Nova Scotia!
>
> Classic and antique Car owners in Canada have, unfortunately, recently
> joined the many American enthusiasts who have had to find a way to
> gas up their vintage cars with ethanol-laced gasoline without
> damaging their fuel systems. Our Federal Government is on an understandab=
le
> rampage
> to do everything in its power to help end Climate Change, and this is
> their latest effort to jump into the fray. (Whether or not this is a vali=
d
> or
> questionable strategy is an issue for another time.)
>
> I am writing to ask if anyone has come up with an additive, (or some othe=
r
> solution) that can cancel the damage that ethanol does to gasoline
> engines. I have heard that aviation fuel is ethanol free, but there are
> very few airports here that will sell aviation fuel to non-aircraft owner=
s.
>
> Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated by your Canadian car
> enthusiast Friends.
>
> Many thanks for any help you can provide.
>
> Dave Munroe, in Nova Scotia
> Sunbeam Tiger, MGB, and Several vulnerable Motorcycles.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">what exactly is your concern?=C2=A0 water absorption? or d=
amage to certain rubbers and natural materials?=C2=A0 anything that could b=
e damaged by E5 or E10 probably shouldn&#39;t still be in the car anyway.=
=C2=A0 60 years old fuel hoses and carb seals are not a recipe for reliabil=
ity.=C2=A0 likewise regular use and not leaving tanks of fuel for months is=
 good advice with or without ethanol.<div><br></div><div>I generally use E5=
 in all my cars and bikes.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t think its=C2=A0ever caused a p=
roblem.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 10:15=E2=80=AFPM Dave Munroe &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1p=
x solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"g=
mail_default">Hello from Nova Scotia!</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><br=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_default">Classic and antique Car owners in Canad=
a have, unfortunately, recently joined the many American enthusiasts=C2=A0w=
ho have had to find a way to</div><div class=3D"gmail_default">gas up their=
 vintage cars with ethanol-laced gasoline without damaging=C2=A0their fuel =
systems. Our Federal Government is on an understandable rampage</div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default">to do everything in its power to help end Climate Ch=
ange, and=C2=A0this is their latest effort to=C2=A0jump into the fray. (Whe=
ther or not this is a valid or=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default">ques=
tionable strategy is an issue for another time.)</div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default">I am writing to ask if anyon=
e has come up with an additive, (or some other solution) that can cancel th=
e damage that ethanol does to gasoline=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt">engines. I have heard that aviation fuel is ethanol free, but there are=
 very few airports here that will=C2=A0sell aviation fuel to non-aircraft o=
wners.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult">Any help or suggestions=C2=A0would be greatly appreciated by your Cana=
dian car enthusiast=C2=A0Friends.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default">Many thanks for any help you can provide.</=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default">Dav=
e Munroe, in Nova Scotia</div><div class=3D"gmail_default">Sunbeam Tiger, M=
GB, and Several vulnerable Motorcycles.</div></div>
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From: STEPHEN HALBROOK via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 17:41:28 -0400

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Do you have WaWa gasoline stations? In the T=
ampa Florida are there are numerous WaWa stations with an ethanol free pump.=
<div><br></div><div>Steve Halbrook<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPho=
ne</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 22, 2023, at 5=
:33 PM, M Lafayette via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br><=
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<div class=3D"userEdit" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; f=
ont-size: 14pt; color: #000000;"><span style=3D"color: #000000; font-style: n=
ormal; font-weight: bold;">Some of the stations in the US sell ethanal free g=
as, but only as high-test.&nbsp;<br></span></div>
<br>In a message dated 7/22/2023 4:15:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dave@munr=
oe.ca writes:
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"quotedReply">
<blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: blue 2=
px solid;">
<div id=3D"yiv4370450976">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"yiv4370450976gmail_default">Hello from Nova Scotia!</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4370450976gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4370450976gmail_default">Classic and antique Car owners in C=
anada have, unfortunately, recently joined the many American enthusiasts&nbs=
p;who have had to find a way to</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4370450976gmail_default">gas up their vintage cars with eth=
anol-laced gasoline without damaging&nbsp;their fuel systems. Our Federal Go=
vernment is on an understandable rampage</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4370450976gmail_default">to do everything in its power to h=
elp end Climate Change, and&nbsp;this is their latest effort to&nbsp;jump in=
to the fray. (Whether or not this is a valid or&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4370450976gmail_default">questionable strategy is an issue f=
or another time.)</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4370450976gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4370450976gmail_default">I am writing to ask if anyone has c=
ome up with an additive, (or some other solution) that can cancel the damage=
 that ethanol does to gasoline&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4370450976gmail_default">engines. I have heard that aviatio=
n fuel is ethanol free, but there are very few airports here that will&nbsp;=
sell aviation fuel to non-aircraft owners.</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4370450976gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4370450976gmail_default">Any help or suggestions&nbsp;would=
 be greatly appreciated by your Canadian car enthusiast&nbsp;Friends.</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4370450976gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4370450976gmail_default">Many thanks for any help you can p=
rovide.</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4370450976gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4370450976gmail_default">Dave Munroe, in Nova Scotia</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4370450976gmail_default">Sunbeam Tiger, MGB, and Several vu=
lnerable Motorcycles.</div>
</div>
</div>
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From: GARY WINBLAD <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 21:46:16 -0400 (EDT)

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In California, all gas contains ethanol year round with a higher concentrat=
ion in winter (I think).
The only real problem I have seen in my Tiger is with my old (1973) 2bbl Ho=
lly carb.
The little conical shaped check valves for the accelator pump get stuck to =
their seats within a
few days of not driving the car.  If I turn on the fuel pump and give the p=
edal a push and then
wait maybe 10 minutes, it un-sticks the valves.  Ok, the real problem is th=
at I don't have a
choke because in CA the weather is mild.  When the engine is cold though, I=
 need to add
extra gas myself with the accelerator pump to get it to start.
Gary
=20

> On 07/22/2023 2:00 PM PDT Owain Lloyd <[email-masked]> wrote:
> =20
> =20
> what exactly is your concern?  water absorption? or damage to certain rub=
bers and natural materials?  anything that could be damaged by E5 or E10 pr=
obably shouldn't still be in the car anyway.  60 years old fuel hoses and c=
arb seals are not a recipe for reliability.  likewise regular use and not l=
eaving tanks of fuel for months is good advice with or without ethanol.
> =20
> I generally use E5 in all my cars and bikes.  I don't think its ever caus=
ed a problem.
>=20
> On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 10:15=E2=80=AFPM Dave Munroe <[email-masked] mail=
to:[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> > Hello from Nova Scotia!
> > =20
> > Classic and antique Car owners in Canada have, unfortunately, recently =
> > gas up their vintage cars with ethanol-laced gasoline without damaging =
their fuel systems. Our Federal Government is on an understandable rampage
> > to do everything in its power to help end Climate Change, and this is t=
heir latest effort to jump into the fray. (Whether or not this is a valid o=
r=20
> > =20
> > I am writing to ask if anyone has come up with an additive, (or some ot=
her solution) that can cancel the damage that ethanol does to gasoline=20
> > engines. I have heard that aviation fuel is ethanol free, but there are=
 very few airports here that will sell aviation fuel to non-aircraft owners=
.
> > =20
> > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated by your Canadian c=
ar enthusiast Friends.
> > =20
> > =20
> >=20
> > [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]
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   In California, all gas contains ethanol year round with a higher concent=
ration in winter (I think).
  </div>=20
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   The only real problem I have seen in my Tiger is with my old (1973) 2bbl=
 Holly carb.
  </div>=20
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   The little conical shaped check valves for the accelator pump get stuck =
to their seats within a
  </div>=20
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   few days of not driving the car.&nbsp; If I turn on the fuel pump and gi=
ve the pedal a push and then
  </div>=20
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   wait maybe 10 minutes, it un-sticks the valves.&nbsp; Ok, the real probl=
em is that I don't have a
  </div>=20
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   choke because in CA the weather is mild.&nbsp; When the engine is cold t=
hough, I need to add
  </div>=20
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   extra gas myself with the accelerator pump to get it to start.
  </div>=20
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   Gary
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   &nbsp;
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    On 07/22/2023 2:00 PM PDT Owain Lloyd &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wro=
te:
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    &nbsp;
   </div>=20
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    what exactly is your concern?&nbsp; water absorption? or damage to cert=
ain rubbers and natural materials?&nbsp; anything that could be damaged by =
E5 or E10 probably shouldn't still be in the car anyway.&nbsp; 60 years old=
 fuel hoses and carb seals are not a recipe for reliability.&nbsp; likewise=
 regular use and not leaving tanks of fuel for months is good advice with o=
r without ethanol.=20
    <div>
     &nbsp;
    </div>=20
    <div>
     I generally use E5 in all my cars and bikes.&nbsp; I don't think its&n=
bsp;ever caused a problem.
    </div>=20
   </div>=20
   <br>=20
   <div class=3D"gmail_quote">=20
    <div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">
     On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 10:15=E2=80=AFPM Dave Munroe &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
    </div>=20
    <blockquote>=20
     <div dir=3D"ltr">=20
      <div class=3D"gmail_default">
       Hello from Nova Scotia!
      </div>=20
      <div class=3D"gmail_default">
       &nbsp;
      </div>=20
      <div class=3D"gmail_default">
       Classic and antique Car owners in Canada have, unfortunately, recent=
ly joined the many American enthusiasts&nbsp;who have had to find a way to
      </div>=20
      <div class=3D"gmail_default">
       gas up their vintage cars with ethanol-laced gasoline without damagi=
ng&nbsp;their fuel systems. Our Federal Government is on an understandable =
rampage
      </div>=20
      <div class=3D"gmail_default">
       to do everything in its power to help end Climate Change, and&nbsp;t=
his is their latest effort to&nbsp;jump into the fray. (Whether or not this=
 is a valid or&nbsp;
      </div>=20
      <div class=3D"gmail_default">
       questionable strategy is an issue for another time.)
      </div>=20
      <div class=3D"gmail_default">
       &nbsp;
      </div>=20
      <div class=3D"gmail_default">
       I am writing to ask if anyone has come up with an additive, (or some=
 other solution) that can cancel the damage that ethanol does to gasoline&n=
bsp;
      </div>=20
      <div class=3D"gmail_default">
       engines. I have heard that aviation fuel is ethanol free, but there =
are very few airports here that will&nbsp;sell aviation fuel to non-aircraf=
t owners.
      </div>=20
      <div class=3D"gmail_default">
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From: Terry Packer via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 11:36:29 +0000 (UTC)

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 Hello Dave
I haven't seen anyone respond regarding an additive which offsets the short=
comings of gas with ethanol. It will be interesting to see if anyone knows =
of such an animal.=20

Regarding damage, I can only offer that I've used ethanol laced fuel in all=
 my vehicles without issue for many years including the Tiger and a 1969 BS=
A. However, it has quickly compromised several small-engine carburetors on =
chain saws (2T) and weedeaters (4T). A carb rebuild or replacement of the w=
hole carb, which is cheap, makes the implement immediately start and run no=
rmally again. This problem does not occur using no-alcohol gas. So I am con=
vinced ethanol fuel has one or more damaging components but the number and =
amount of susceptible materials in my vehicles seems to be modest.

While there is a station which sells alcohol free fuel in my county, it is =
too far away to be practical. In addition to the av-gas option I thought I'=
d mention that there is a local fuel distributor who supplies no alcohol "r=
ace gas", by the gallon or drum, to drivers at the local dirt track. It wou=
ld be a little pricey to fuel a street car this way but it might be conside=
red depending on the volume required.=20

Good Luck.
Terry
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t.=C2=A0

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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydp7c0724c5yahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><d=
iv id=3D"ydp7c0724c5yiv4468747131"><div><div style=3D"font-family:times new=
 roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;" class=3D"ydp7c0724c5yiv4468=
747131ydpddcfe53cyahoo-style-wrap"><div id=3D"ydp7c0724c5yiv4468747131ydpdd=
cfe53cyiv9331686317"><div><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new yo=
rk, times, serif;font-size:16px;" class=3D"ydp7c0724c5yiv4468747131ydpddcfe=
53cyiv9331686317ydpa163d173yahoo-style-wrap"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Hello Dave</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none=
"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I haven't seen anyone respond regarding an additiv=
e which offsets the shortcomings of gas with ethanol. It will be interestin=
g to see if anyone knows of such an animal. <br clear=3D"none"></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Regarding damage, I ca=
n only offer that I've used ethanol laced fuel in all my vehicles without i=
ssue for many years including the Tiger and a 1969 BSA. However, it has qui=
ckly compromised several small-engine carburetors on chain saws (2T) and we=
edeaters (4T). A carb rebuild or replacement of the whole carb, which is ch=
eap, makes the implement immediately start and run normally again. This pro=
blem does not occur using no-alcohol gas. So I am convinced ethanol fuel ha=
s one or more damaging components but the number and amount of susceptible =
materials in my vehicles seems to be modest.<br clear=3D"none"></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">While there is a stati=
on which sells alcohol free fuel in my county, it is too far away to be pra=
ctical. In addition to the av-gas option I thought I'd mention that there i=
s a local fuel distributor who supplies no alcohol "race gas", by the gallo=
n or drum, to drivers at the local dirt track. It would be a little pricey =
to fuel a street car this way but it might be considered depending on the v=
olume required. <br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none=
"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Good Luck.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none=
"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Terry</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr">*******************************************************=
***<br clear=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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bc8yiv9331686317yqt81558" class=3D"ydp7c0724c5yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv93=
31686317yqt7896191176"></div></div></div></div><div id=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv446=
8747131yqt72219" class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131yqt8651370162"><div>
                    On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 04:36:09 PM CDT, M Lafaye=
tte via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv93316=
86317ydp593b64fbyiv1318959857"><div><div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt;color=
:#000000;" class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b=
64fbyiv1318959857userEdit"><span style=3D"color:#000000;font-style:normal;f=
ont-weight:bold;">Some of the stations in the US sell ethanal free gas, but=
 only as high-test.&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none"></span></div>
<br clear=3D"none">In a message dated 7/22/2023 4:15:09 PM Eastern Daylight=
 Time, [email-masked] writes:
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857quotedReply">
<blockquote style=3D"padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px;border-left:blue 2px =
solid;">
<div id=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyiv13=
18959857yqt35095" class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317=
ydp593b64fbyiv1318959857yqt5432606336"><div id=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131y=
dpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyiv1318959857">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">Hello from Nova Scotia!</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">Classic and antique Car owners in Canada have, un=
fortunately, recently joined the many American enthusiasts&nbsp;who have ha=
d to find a way to</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">gas up their vintage cars with ethanol-laced gaso=
line without damaging&nbsp;their fuel systems. Our Federal Government is on=
 an understandable rampage</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">to do everything in its power to help end Climate=
 Change, and&nbsp;this is their latest effort to&nbsp;jump into the fray. (=
Whether or not this is a valid or&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">questionable strategy is an issue for another tim=
e.)</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">I am writing to ask if anyone has come up with an=
 additive, (or some other solution) that can cancel the damage that ethanol=
 does to gasoline&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">engines. I have heard that aviation fuel is ethan=
ol free, but there are very few airports here that will&nbsp;sell aviation =
fuel to non-aircraft owners.</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">Any help or suggestions&nbsp;would be greatly app=
reciated by your Canadian car enthusiast&nbsp;Friends.</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">Many thanks for any help you can provide.</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">Dave Munroe, in Nova Scotia</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">Sunbeam Tiger, MGB, and Several vulnerable Motorc=
ycles.</div>
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 no not in Canada....go to a marina,most sell ethanol free gas ,in ont shel=
l 93 is ethanol free
    On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 09:23:17 p.m. EDT, STEPHEN HALBROOK via T=
igers <[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
 Do you have WaWa gasoline stations? In the Tampa Florida are there are num=
erous WaWa stations with an ethanol free pump.
Steve Halbrook

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2023, at 5:33 PM, M Lafayette via Tigers <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:

=EF=BB=BFSome of the stations in the US sell ethanal free gas, but only as =
high-test.=C2=A0

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=3D"font-family:arial;font-size:16px;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">no not in Canada....go to a =
marina,most sell ethanol free gas ,in ont shell 93 is ethanol free</div><di=
v><br></div>
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                    On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 09:23:17 p.m. EDT, STEPHE=
N HALBROOK via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771"><div>Do you have =
WaWa gasoline stations? In the Tampa Florida are there are numerous WaWa st=
ations with an ethanol free pump.<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Steve H=
albrook<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my =
iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771yqtfd51325"=
 class=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771yqt1768210376"><br clear=3D"none"><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite">On Jul 22, 2023, at 5:33 PM, M Lafayette via Tigers &lt;=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blo=
ckquote></div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"y=
dpa2b00daeyiv2723103771yqtfd78197" class=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771yqt1768=
210376">=EF=BB=BF<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt;color=
:#000000;" class=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771userEdit"><span style=3D"color:=
#000000;font-style:normal;font-weight:bold;">Some of the stations in the US=
 sell ethanal free gas, but only as high-test.&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none"></sp=
an></div>
<br clear=3D"none">In a message dated 7/22/2023 4:15:09 PM Eastern Daylight=
 Time, [email-masked] writes:
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771quotedReply">
<blockquote style=3D"padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px;border-left:blue 2px =
solid;">
<div id=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771gmail_default">Hello from Nova Scotia=
!</div>
<div class=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771gmail_default">Classic and antique Ca=
r owners in Canada have, unfortunately, recently joined the many American e=
nthusiasts&nbsp;who have had to find a way to</div>
<div class=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771gmail_default">gas up their vintage c=
ars with ethanol-laced gasoline without damaging&nbsp;their fuel systems. O=
ur Federal Government is on an understandable rampage</div>
<div class=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771gmail_default">to do everything in it=
s power to help end Climate Change, and&nbsp;this is their latest effort to=
&nbsp;jump into the fray. (Whether or not this is a valid or&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771gmail_default">questionable strategy =
is an issue for another time.)</div>
<div class=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771gmail_default">I am writing to ask if=
 anyone has come up with an additive, (or some other solution) that can can=
cel the damage that ethanol does to gasoline&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771gmail_default">engines. I have heard =
that aviation fuel is ethanol free, but there are very few airports here th=
at will&nbsp;sell aviation fuel to non-aircraft owners.</div>
<div class=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771gmail_default">Any help or suggestion=
s&nbsp;would be greatly appreciated by your Canadian car enthusiast&nbsp;Fr=
iends.</div>
<div class=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771gmail_default">Many thanks for any he=
lp you can provide.</div>
<div class=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771gmail_default">Dave Munroe, in Nova S=
cotia</div>
<div class=3D"ydpa2b00daeyiv2723103771gmail_default">Sunbeam Tiger, MGB, an=
d Several vulnerable Motorcycles.</div>
</div>
</div>
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