Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear disc brake

From: GARY WINBLAD <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 11:57:32 -0400 (EDT)

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I have.  Dale's old kit.  Works great.  Fiat 124's are getting as rare as Tigers though, not
a dime a dozen like in the '90s when Dale used their calipers.
Gary

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   I have.&nbsp; Dale's old kit.&nbsp; Works great.&nbsp; Fiat 124's are getting as rare as Tigers though, not
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On my Tiger I currently have '95 Mustang (Cobra) rear discs and calipers. The main features that pulled me there was that the disc bolt pattern matched what I'm currently using (5 on 4 1/2) and that the calipers had cable parking brake actuation of the pads in addition to the hydraulic pistons. 
But those discs are too large for a 13 inch application. At the time I did the conversion, I traded in a set of '85-87 Toyota Corolla GT-S (AE86 series) rear disc calipers, which also had a cable parking brake. The Corollas of that era had 14 inch OEM wheels but I'm pretty sure some people used 13 inch wheels on them for autocross purposes. 
Toyota made approximately a zillion of those cars so they might still be a good aftermarket pick for a rear disc caliper. 

Theo 

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: #000000"><div>On my Tiger I currently have '95 Mustang (C=
obra) rear discs and calipers. The main features that pulled me there was t=
hat the disc bolt pattern matched what I'm currently using (5 on 4 1/2) and=
 that the calipers had cable parking brake actuation of the pads in additio=
n to the hydraulic pistons.</div><div>But those discs are too large for a 1=
3 inch application. At the time I did the conversion, I traded in a set of =
'85-87 Toyota Corolla GT-S (AE86 series) rear disc calipers, which also had=
 a cable parking brake. The Corollas of that era had 14 inch OEM wheels but=
 I'm pretty sure some people used 13 inch wheels on them for autocross purp=
oses.</div><div>Toyota made approximately a zillion of those cars so they m=
ight still be a good aftermarket pick for a rear disc caliper.</div><div><b=
r data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>Theo</div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr"=
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   I have.&nbsp; Dale's old kit.&nbsp; Works great.&nbsp; Fiat 124's are ge=
tting as rare as Tigers though, not
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ls and I have a set of the fiat caliper/brackets..and car is used for stree=
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What=E2=80=99s wrong with drums?  Just fed up of adjusting them?

Il giorno mer 2 nov 2022 alle 16:43 Clyde Mclaughlin <
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<div dir=3D"auto">What=E2=80=99s wrong with drums?=C2=A0 Just fed up of adj=
usting them?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
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st things I have read were from years ago. my interest is in maintaining us=
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I've often wondered about the "need" to go to rear discs on the Tiger, as t=
he front brakes are asked to do pretty much all the work on our cars. I've =
never had issues with the rear drums in very hard use (with decent high tem=
p linings). The fronts did require some work ;)Mike

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What=E2=80=99s wrong with drums?=C2=A0 Just fed up of adjusting them?

Il giorno mer 2 nov 2022 alle 16:43 Clyde Mclaughlin <clydemclaughlin618@gm=
ail.com> ha scritto:

has anyone recently tried the fiat 124 rear conversion, most things I have =
read were from years ago. my interest is in maintaining use of 13" wheels a=
nd I have a set of the fiat caliper/brackets..and car is used for street us=
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lack;"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:black;">I've often wondered about the "need" to go to rear discs on t=
he Tiger, as the front brakes are asked to do pretty much all the work on o=
ur cars. I've never had issues with the rear drums in very hard use (with d=
ecent high temp linings). The fronts did require some work ;)</div><div sty=
le=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">M=
ike<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Owain Lloyd &lt;owain.ll=
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gt;<br>Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Sent: Wed=
, Nov 2, 2022 1:05 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear disc brake<br><br></div=
><div id=3D"yiv4210337393"><div><div>What=E2=80=99s wrong with drums?&nbsp;=
 Just fed up of adjusting them?</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div><br=
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I would guess that one could do some careful parts-bin engineering and end =
up with a rear drum setup that weighed significantly less than any equally =
effective rear disc setup. Datsun 240Z's came with aluminum rear drums (sti=
ll with the cast iron liner, of course) and it would not be a huge effort t=
o adapt the backplates so that all that stuff would bolt right on. You woul=
d probably even get automatic adjusters in the bargain. But rear discs have=
 that certain je ne sais quoi...=20

Cheers,=20
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I've often wondered about the "need" to go to rear discs on the Tiger, as t=
he front brakes are asked to do pretty much all the work on our cars. I've =
never had issues with the rear drums in very hard use (with decent high tem=
p linings). The fronts did require some work ;)=20
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What=E2=80=99s wrong with drums? Just fed up of adjusting them?=20

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: #000000"><div>I would guess that one could do some carefu=
l parts-bin engineering and end up with a rear drum setup that weighed sign=
ificantly less than any equally effective rear disc setup. Datsun 240Z's ca=
me with aluminum rear drums (still with the cast iron liner, of course) and=
 it would not be a huge effort to adapt the backplates so that all that stu=
ff would bolt right on. You would probably even get automatic adjusters in =
the bargain. But rear discs have that certain je ne sais quoi...</div><div>=
<br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Theo</div><div><br da=
ta-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><hr id=3D"zwch=
r" data-marker=3D"__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>From: </=
b>"Michael Wood via Tigers" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>To: </b>"ow=
ain lloyd" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;, "Clyde Mclaughlin" &lt;clydemclau=
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Re: [Tigers] rear disc brake<br></div><div><br></div><div data-marker=3D"__=
QUOTED_TEXT__"><div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'arial' , 'helvetic=
a' , sans-serif;color:black"><div style=3D"font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica=
' , sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black">I've often wondered about the "n=
eed" to go to rear discs on the Tiger, as the front brakes are asked to do =
pretty much all the work on our cars. I've never had issues with the rear d=
rums in very hard use (with decent high temp linings). The fronts did requi=
re some work ;)</div><div style=3D"font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans=
-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black">Mike<br><br><br>-----Original Message---=
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in &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger &lt;ti=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2022 1:05 pm<br>Subject: Re: [=
Tigers] rear disc brake<br><br></div><div id=3D"yiv4210337393"><div><div>Wh=
at=E2=80=99s wrong with drums?&nbsp; Just fed up of adjusting them?</div><d=
iv><br clear=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv421033=
7393gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"yiv4210337393gmail_attr">Il gior=
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I agree that drums are fine and that people over state the benefit of
discs.  For me, it was simply because my self adjusting versions were a
disaster.  I did everything I could to get all new parts, install
correctly, etc., and they just never worked right.  So I thought I'd go
with the discs on the Alpine for the why the heck not.  I just haven't
gotten to it yet.

On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:51 PM Theo Smit <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I would guess that one could do some careful parts-bin engineering and en=
d
> up with a rear drum setup that weighed significantly less than any equall=
y
> effective rear disc setup. Datsun 240Z's came with aluminum rear drums
> (still with the cast iron liner, of course) and it would not be a huge
> effort to adapt the backplates so that all that stuff would bolt right on=
.
> You would probably even get automatic adjusters in the bargain. But rear
> discs have that certain je ne sais quoi...
>
> Cheers,
> Theo
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Michael Wood via Tigers" <[email-masked]>
> *To: *"owain lloyd" <[email-masked]>, "Clyde Mclaughlin" <
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> *Cc: *"tigers" <[email-masked]>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 2, 2022 2:27:39 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Tigers] rear disc brake
>
> I've often wondered about the "need" to go to rear discs on the Tiger, as
> the front brakes are asked to do pretty much all the work on our cars. I'=
ve
> never had issues with the rear drums in very hard use (with decent high
> temp linings). The fronts did require some work ;)
> Mike
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I agree that drums are fine and that people over state the=
 benefit of discs.=C2=A0 For me, it was simply because my self adjusting ve=
rsions were a disaster.=C2=A0 I did everything I could to get all new parts=
, install correctly, etc., and they just never worked right.=C2=A0 So I tho=
ught I&#39;d go with the discs on the Alpine for the why the heck not.=C2=
=A0 I just haven&#39;t gotten to it yet.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:51 PM Theo=
 Smit &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,=
204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div>I would guess that one could do=
 some careful parts-bin engineering and end up with a rear drum setup that =
weighed significantly less than any equally effective rear disc setup. Dats=
un 240Z&#39;s came with aluminum rear drums (still with the cast iron liner=
, of course) and it would not be a huge effort to adapt the backplates so t=
hat all that stuff would bolt right on. You would probably even get automat=
ic adjusters in the bargain. But rear discs have that certain je ne sais qu=
oi...</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Theo</div><div><br></div><=
div><br></div><hr id=3D"m_-6078896265587018061zwchr"><div><b>From: </b>&quo=
t;Michael Wood via Tigers&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>To: </b>&quot;owain=
 lloyd&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt;, &quot;Clyde Mclaughlin&quot; &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">clydemclaughlin618@=
gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>&quot;tigers&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ti=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>=
Sent: </b>Wednesday, November 2, 2022 2:27:39 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Ti=
gers] rear disc brake<br></div><div><br></div><div><div style=3D"font-size:=
10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:black"><div style=3D"font=
-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black">I&#39;ve oft=
en wondered about the &quot;need&quot; to go to rear discs on the Tiger, as=
 the front brakes are asked to do pretty much all the work on our cars. I&#=
39;ve never had issues with the rear drums in very hard use (with decent hi=
gh temp linings). The fronts did require some work ;)</div><div style=3D"fo=
nt-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black">Mike<br><b=
r><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Owain Lloyd &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
To: Clyde Mclaughlin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Cc: Tiger Talk List=
 Tiger &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tiger=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2022 1:05 pm<br>Subject: Re: =
[Tigers] rear disc brake<br><br></div><div id=3D"m_-6078896265587018061yiv4=
210337393"><div><div>What=E2=80=99s wrong with drums?=C2=A0 Just fed up of =
adjusting them?</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"none">=
<div><div dir=3D"ltr">Il giorno mer 2 nov 2022 alle 16:43 Clyde Mclaughlin =
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ne recently tried the fiat 124 rear conversion, most things I have read wer=
e from years ago. my interest is in maintaining use of 13&quot; wheels and =
I have a set of the fiat caliper/brackets..and car is used for street use o=
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Well...
Discs are better or else why would all new cars have discs?
Basically, they cool better.  In a Tiger with discs on the rear, they will =
have stable proportioning.
And the pads can run (slip) right on the disc, even when adjusted to the ma=
x, drums
have play in the pedal.
Yeah, aluminum drums might have a slight weight advantage, maybe not when y=
ou add the
cooling fins, self adjusters, springs, etc.  Now, there are light weight al=
uminum calipers too.
Gary

>     On 11/02/2022 7:01 PM Jay Laifman via Tigers <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
>=20
>     I agree that drums are fine and that people over state the benefit of=
 discs.  For me, it was simply because my self adjusting versions were a di=
saster.  I did everything I could to get all new parts, install correctly, =
etc., and they just never worked right.  So I thought I'd go with the discs=
 on the Alpine for the why the heck not.  I just haven't gotten to it yet.
>=20
>     On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:51 PM Theo Smit <[email-masked] mailto:tsmit@=
shaw.ca > wrote:
>=20
>         > >         I would guess that one could do some careful parts-bi=
n engineering and end up with a rear drum setup that weighed significantly =
less than any equally effective rear disc setup. Datsun 240Z's came with al=
uminum rear drums (still with the cast iron liner, of course) and it would =
not be a huge effort to adapt the backplates so that all that stuff would b=
olt right on. You would probably even get automatic adjusters in the bargai=
n. But rear discs have that certain je ne sais quoi...
> >=20
> >         Cheers,
> >         Theo
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >         ---------------------------------------------
> >         From: "Michael Wood via Tigers" <[email-masked] mailto:t=
[email-masked] >
> >         To: "owain lloyd" <[email-masked] mailto:owain.lloyd@gma=
il.com >, "Clyde Mclaughlin" <[email-masked] mailto:clydemcla=
[email-masked] >
> >         Cc: "tigers" <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]=
t >
> >         Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2022 2:27:39 PM
> >         I've often wondered about the "need" to go to rear discs on the=
 Tiger, as the front brakes are asked to do pretty much all the work on our=
 cars. I've never had issues with the rear drums in very hard use (with dec=
ent high temp linings). The fronts did require some work ;)
> >         From: Owain Lloyd <[email-masked] mailto:owain.lloyd@gma=
il.com >
> >         To: Clyde Mclaughlin <[email-masked] mailto:clyde=
[email-masked] >
> >         Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger <[email-masked] mailto:tigers@=
autox.team.net >
> >         What=E2=80=99s wrong with drums?  Just fed up of adjusting them=
?
> >=20
> >=20
> >         Il giorno mer 2 nov 2022 alle 16:43 Clyde Mclaughlin <clydemcla=
[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] > ha scritto:
> >=20
> >             > > >             has anyone recently tried the fiat 124 re=
ar conversion, most things I have read were from years ago. my interest is =
in maintaining use of 13" wheels and I have a set of the fiat caliper/brack=
ets..and car is used for street use only, limited auto cross
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   Discs are better or else why would all new cars have discs?
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    I agree that drums are fine and that people over state the benefit of d=
iscs.&nbsp; For me, it was simply because my self adjusting versions were a=
 disaster.&nbsp; I did everything I could to get all new parts, install cor=
rectly, etc., and they just never worked right.&nbsp; So I thought I'd go w=
ith the discs on the Alpine for the why the heck not.&nbsp; I just haven't =
gotten to it yet.
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     On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:51 PM Theo Smit &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tsmit@s=
haw.ca">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
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        I would guess that one could do some careful parts-bin engineering =
and end up with a rear drum setup that weighed significantly less than any =
equally effective rear disc setup. Datsun 240Z's came with aluminum rear dr=
ums (still with the cast iron liner, of course) and it would not be a huge =
effort to adapt the backplates so that all that stuff would bolt right on. =
You would probably even get automatic adjusters in the bargain. But rear di=
scs have that certain je ne sais quoi...
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        Cheers,
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        <strong>From: </strong>"Michael Wood via Tigers" &lt;<a target=3D"_=
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        <br><strong>To: </strong>"owain lloyd" &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" hre=
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        <br><strong>Sent: </strong>Wednesday, November 2, 2022 2:27:39 PM
        <br><strong>Subject: </strong>Re: [Tigers] rear disc brake
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          I've often wondered about the "need" to go to rear discs on the T=
iger, as the front brakes are asked to do pretty much all the work on our c=
ars. I've never had issues with the rear drums in very hard use (with decen=
t high temp linings). The fronts did require some work ;)
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          Mike
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          <br>-----Original Message-----
          <br>From: Owain Lloyd &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:owa=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
          <br>To: Clyde Mclaughlin &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:=
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          <br>Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"ma=
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          <br>Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2022 1:05 pm
          <br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear disc brake
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            What=E2=80=99s wrong with drums?&nbsp; Just fed up of adjusting=
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              Il giorno mer 2 nov 2022 alle 16:43 Clyde Mclaughlin &lt;<a t=
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                has anyone recently tried the fiat 124 rear conversion, mos=
t things I have read were from years ago. my interest is in maintaining use=
 of 13" wheels and I have a set of the fiat caliper/brackets..and car is us=
ed for street use only, limited auto cross
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