Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...

From: Theo Smit <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 20:23:22 -0600 (MDT)

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Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang MachE
on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Just what every EV owner needs...
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<div dir=3D"auto">Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on=
 a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).</div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun,=
 Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">sabre2=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size=
:small">Just what every=C2=A0EV owner=C2=A0needs...</div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
 style=3D"font-size:small"><a href=3D"https://www.borla.com/products/active=
-performance-sound-for-electric-vehicles/" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefer=
rer">Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles</a><br></div></di=
v></div>
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From: Jim B via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 22:00:50 -0700

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Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as =
stupid gets. I did hear somewhere that =E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D people are =
worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an =
approaching EV. =46rom experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears =
my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without even looking. =
We will probably replace my wife=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an EV in the =
near future. We already have a solar array designed to make up for the =
juice required and I plan to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We =
almost never travel far enough in that car to have to look for a =
charging station. As for us California guys, speaking for myself, I =
think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone before there is absolutely no petrol to =
be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get very expensive to =
buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actually make a point =
of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em running =
right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm.=20
With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see =
EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. =
AND, I have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes =
of my bicycle as a kid!=20
JMHO
Cheers
Jim B

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">Okay, here is my take. My first =
impression is this is as stupid as stupid gets. I =
did&nbsp;hear&nbsp;somewhere that&nbsp;=E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D people are =
worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an =
approaching EV. =46rom experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears =
my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without even looking. =
We will probably replace my wife=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an EV in the =
near future. We already have a solar array&nbsp;designed to make up for =
the juice required and I plan to install a level 2 charger in the =
garage. We almost never travel far enough in that car to have to look =
for a charging station. As for us California guys, speaking for myself, =
I think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone&nbsp;before there is absolutely no =
petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get very =
expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actually =
make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em =
running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the =
norm.&nbsp;</span><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">With all that said; I&nbsp;kinda like the George Jetson sound =
idea! I can see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That =
could be a hoot. AND, I have to admit that I&nbsp;clothes =
pinned&nbsp;playing cards into the spokes of my bicycle as a =
kid!&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">JMHO</span></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
14px;" class=3D"">Cheers</span></div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">Jim B<br class=3D""></span><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Oct =
2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver &lt;<a =
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class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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class=3D"">Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a =
Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend =
TV).</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu &lt;<a =
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solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Just =
what every&nbsp;EV owner&nbsp;needs...</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small"><br class=3D""></div><div =
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From: GARY WINBLAD <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 08:17:51 -0400 (EDT)

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This same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just don'=
t adapt
to modern technology.
Nothing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the power g=
rid won't support
all of them.
Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry about=
 this one.
Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged elec=
tricity.  All
our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on tr=
ips, great
transportation device!
73,
Gary
Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I could build one=
 myself.  The
Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching sounde=
r to warm blind
pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble would =
be so much
better.

>     On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>     Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as st=
upid gets. I did hear somewhere that =E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D people are worr=
ied about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV.=
 From experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many peopl=
e step into traffic around here without even looking. We will probably repl=
ace my wife=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already=
 have a solar array designed to make up for the juice required and I plan t=
o install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enoug=
h in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California =
guys, speaking for myself, I think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone before there i=
s absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably=
 get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to act=
ually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep =
em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm.=20
>     With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can =
see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AN=
D, I have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes of m=
y bicycle as a kid!=20
>     JMHO
>     Cheers
>     Jim B
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>         > >         On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver <jd.senci=
[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
> >=20
> >         Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mus=
tang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).
> >=20
> >         On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <[email-masked] mailto:sa=
[email-masked] > wrote:
> > >             Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles http=
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  <div>
   This same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just d=
on't adapt
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   to modern technology.
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   Nothing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the powe=
r grid won't support
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   all of them.
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry ab=
out this one.
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged e=
lectricity.&nbsp; All
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on=
 trips, great
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   transportation device!
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   73,
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   Gary
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I could build =
one myself.&nbsp; The
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching sou=
nder to warm blind
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble wou=
ld be so much
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   better.
   <br>
  </div>
  <blockquote type=3D"cite">
   <div>
    On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wr=
ote:
   </div>
   <div>
    <br>
   </div>
   <div>
    <br>
   </div><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 14px;">Okay, here is my take.=
 My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did&nbsp;hear&n=
bsp;somewhere that&nbsp;=E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D people are worried about dea=
f and/or blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. From experie=
nce, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step into t=
raffic around here without even looking. We will probably replace my wife=
=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already have a sol=
ar array&nbsp;designed to make up for the juice required and I plan to inst=
all a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in t=
hat car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California guys, =
speaking for myself, I think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone&nbsp;before there is=
 absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably =
get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actu=
ally make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep e=
m running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm.&nbsp;</span>
   <div class=3D"">
    <span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 14px;">With all that said; I&nbsp;=
kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV drivers gettin creati=
ve with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have to admit that I&nb=
sp;clothes pinned&nbsp;playing cards into the spokes of my bicycle as a kid=
!&nbsp;</span>
   </div>
   <div class=3D"">
    <span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 14px;">JMHO</span>
   </div>
   <div class=3D"">
    <span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 14px;">Cheers</span>
   </div>
   <div class=3D"">
    <span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 14px;">Jim B<br class=3D""></span>
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        Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang=
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            Just what every&nbsp;EV owner&nbsp;needs...
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roducts/active-performance-sound-for-electric-vehicles/" rel=3D"noopener">B=
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I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep stated =
that there were several different engine sounds in the controller =
including Ferrari and more were being developed.   Alright, a Prius with =
Ferrari engine sound.

=20

I think Borla found a niche for those who just can=E2=80=99t be without =
the latest electronic gismo.   Borla will make a profit until the craze =
evaporates or a government body says NO more please.

=20

Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of =
petrol engine by 2035.   My 1st question would be how many of those =
politicians own an EV now?   My guess, few.

=20

IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the =
consequences.   The power grid is not ready, the charging stations are =
not ready, battery technology is better but not totally ready for prime =
time and more important; until the EV range is specified for 20 degrees =
F, I=E2=80=99m not interested.   Regional Transit here has some EV buses =
and if it get too cold they can=E2=80=99t use them, the range drops too =
far.  =20

=20

I would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow country.

=20

EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but country =
folks drive longer distances for everything including work.   Some of =
those EV=E2=80=99s are going to leave people stranded in the winter =
unless they put a charging station on every telephone pole.

=20

Ron Fraser

=20

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From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of GARY WINBLAD
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 8:18 AM
To: Jim B <[email-masked]>; Jim B via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...

=20

This same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just =
don't adapt=20

to modern technology.=20

Nothing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the =
power grid won't support=20

all of them.=20

Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry =
about this one.=20

Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged =
electricity.  All=20

our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on =
trips, great=20

transportation device!=20

73,=20

Gary=20

one myself.  The=20

Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching =
sounder to warm blind=20

pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble =
would be so much=20

better.=20

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=20

=20

approaching EV. From experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears =
right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm. =20

With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see =
EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. =
AND, I have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes =
of my bicycle as a kid! =20

JMHO=20

Cheers=20

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On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver <[email-masked] =

=20

Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang =
MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).=20

=20

Just what every EV owner needs...=20

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>I saw the =
All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep stated that there =
were several different engine sounds in the controller including Ferrari =
and more were being developed.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Alright, a Prius with Ferrari =
engine sound.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I think Borla found a niche for those who just =
can=E2=80=99t be without the latest electronic gismo.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Borla =
will make a profit until the craze evaporates or a government body says =
NO more please.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Seems to me =
California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol engine by =
2035.=C2=A0=C2=A0 My 1<sup>st</sup> question would be how many of those =
politicians own an EV now?=C2=A0=C2=A0 My guess, few.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>IMO the =
politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the =
consequences.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The power grid is not ready, the charging =
stations are not ready, battery technology is better but not totally =
ready for prime time and more important; until the EV range is specified =
for 20 degrees F, I=E2=80=99m not interested.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Regional =
Transit here has some EV buses and if it get too cold they can=E2=80=99t =
use them, the range drops too far. =C2=A0=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I would only =
consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow country.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>EV vehicles =
are needed for major cities to clear the air but country folks drive =
longer distances for everything including work.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Some of =
those EV=E2=80=99s are going to leave people stranded in the winter =
unless they put a charging station on every telephone =
pole.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> =C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>GARY =
WINBLAD<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 03, 2022 8:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Jim B &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Jim B via Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] The answer =
to a question that no one asked...<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>This =
same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just don't =
adapt <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>to modern =
technology. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Nothing wrong =
with electric cars except the price and fear that the power grid won't =
support <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>all of them. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Most of us Tiger guys =
won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry about this one. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Most of my miles now is =
our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged electricity.&nbsp; All =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>our local trips can be =
done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on trips, great =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>transportation device! =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>73, =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Gary =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Oh, I like that sound =
device, I have been thinking of how I could build one myself.&nbsp; The =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Prius has the worst worn =
out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching sounder to warm blind =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>pedestrians.. where the =
heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble would be so much =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>better. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Okay, here is my take. My first impression is =
this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did&nbsp;hear&nbsp;somewhere =
that&nbsp;=E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D people are worried about deaf and/or =
blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. From experience, I =
can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step into =
traffic around here without even looking. We will probably replace my =
wife=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already =
have a solar array&nbsp;designed to make up for the juice required and I =
plan to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel =
far enough in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us =
California guys, speaking for myself, I think I=E2=80=99ll be long =
gone&nbsp;before there is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down =
the line, it will probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not =
bad already) but, I have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger =
and my big block Ford just to keep em running right. Car shows and =
Sunday drives are the norm.&nbsp;</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>With all that said; =
I&nbsp;kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV drivers =
gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have to =
admit that I&nbsp;clothes pinned&nbsp;playing cards into the spokes of =
my bicycle as a kid!&nbsp;</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>JMHO</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Cheers</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Jim =
B</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed =
on a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV). =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Just what =
every&nbsp;EV owner&nbsp;needs... <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
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ric-vehicles/" target=3D"_blank">Borla Active Performance Sound for =
Electric Vehicles</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p =
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On Monday, 3 October 2022, Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wrote:

>
> Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol
> engine by 2035.   My 1st question would be how many of those politicians
> own an EV now?   My guess, few.
>

Ron isnt the ban petrol ONLY powered? I thought Hybrids would be allowed
just banning pure fossil fuel new car sales?

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@bluefrog.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><br></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Seems to me California and New York=
 have already banned the sale of petrol engine by 2035.=C2=A0=C2=A0 My 1<su=
p>st</sup> question would be how many of those politicians own an EV now?=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 My guess, few.</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ron i=
snt the ban petrol ONLY powered? I thought Hybrids would be allowed just ba=
nning pure fossil fuel new car sales?</div><br><br>-- <br>Regards<br><br>Mi=
chael King<br>

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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 10:11:35 -0700

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Hey, Ron:

I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, so this is 
largely theoretical for me.

I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole.  Seriously. Travelling 
between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone pole, whip 
out my credit card, get information on what that particular electricity 
provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction and get a 
receipt.  Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of receipt paper 
on each phone-pole charger is kept full. 😉

Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric 
utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal; 
conventional charging stations would be--in the same future of 
phone-pole chargers--as readily available there as gas stations are now.

There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm guessing 
your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. 😁

Best Regards

David Sosna

On 10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote:
>
> I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep 
> stated that there were several different engine sounds in the 
> controller including Ferrari and more were being developed.   Alright, 
> a Prius with Ferrari engine sound.
>
> I think Borla found a niche for those who just can’t be without the 
> latest electronic gismo.   Borla will make a profit until the craze 
> Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of 
> petrol engine by 2035.   My 1^st question would be how many of those 
> IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the 
> consequences.   The power grid is not ready, the charging stations are 
> not ready, battery technology is better but not totally ready for 
> prime time and more important; until the EV range is specified for 20 
> degrees F, I’m not interested.   Regional Transit here has some EV 
> buses and if it get too cold they can’t use them, the range drops too 
> far.
>
> EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but country 
> folks drive longer distances for everything including work.   Some of 
> those EV’s are going to leave people stranded in the winter unless 
> they put a charging station on every telephone pole.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *GARY WINBLAD
> *Sent:* Monday, October 03, 2022 8:18 AM
> *To:* Jim B <[email-masked]>; Jim B via Tigers <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
>
> This same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just 
> don't adapt
>
> to modern technology.
>
> Nothing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the 
> power grid won't support
>
> all of them.
>
> Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry 
> about this one.
>
> Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged 
> electricity.  All
>
> our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG 
> on trips, great
>
> transportation device!
>
> 73,
>
> Gary
>
> Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I could 
> build one myself.  The
>
> Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching 
> sounder to warm blind
>
> pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble 
> would be so much
>
> better.
>
>     Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as
>     stupid gets. I did hear somewhere that “some” people are worried
>     about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an
>     approaching EV. From experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even
>     hears my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without
>     even looking. We will probably replace my wife’s compact SUV with
>     an EV in the near future. We already have a solar array designed
>     to make up for the juice required and I plan to install a level 2
>     charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in that
>     car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California
>     guys, speaking for myself, I think I’ll be long gone before there
>     is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it
>     will probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad
>     already) but, I have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger
>     and my big block Ford just to keep em running right. Car shows and
>     Sunday drives are the norm.
>
>     With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I
>     can see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could
>     be a hoot. AND, I have to admit that I clothes pinned playing
>     cards into the spokes of my bicycle as a kid!
>
>     JMHO
>
>     Cheers
>
>     Jim B
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    <p>Hey, Ron:</p>
    <p>I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, so
      this is largely theoretical for me.</p>
    <p>I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole.  Seriously. 
      Travelling between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy
      phone pole, whip out my credit card, get information on what that
      particular electricity provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead
      with my transaction and get a receipt.  Okay, SOMEbody has to make
      sure that the roll of receipt paper on each phone-pole charger is
      kept full. 😉</p>
    <p>Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and
      electric utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem
      like a big deal; conventional charging stations would be--in the
      same future of phone-pole chargers--as readily available there as
      gas stations are now.<br>
    </p>
    <p>There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm
      guessing your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like
      it--it's elegant. 😁</p>
    <p>Best Regards</p>
    <p>David Sosna</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">I saw the All Girls Garage show and it
          seems to me the Borla rep stated that there were several
          different engine sounds in the controller including Ferrari
          and more were being developed.   Alright, a Prius with Ferrari
          engine sound.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I think Borla found a niche for those who
          just can’t be without the latest electronic gismo.   Borla
          will make a profit until the craze evaporates or a government
          body says NO more please.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Seems to me California and New York have
          already banned the sale of petrol engine by 2035.   My 1<sup>st</sup>
          question would be how many of those politicians own an EV
          now?   My guess, few.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20
          without considering the consequences.   The power grid is not
          ready, the charging stations are not ready, battery technology
          is better but not totally ready for prime time and more
          important; until the EV range is specified for 20 degrees F,
          I’m not interested.   Regional Transit here has some EV buses
          and if it get too cold they can’t use them, the range drops
          too far.   <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in
          snow country.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">EV vehicles are needed for major cities to
          clear the air but country folks drive longer distances for
          everything including work.   Some of those EV’s are going to
          leave people stranded in the winter unless they put a charging
          station on every telephone pole.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">  <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <div>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>GARY
              WINBLAD<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 03, 2022 8:18 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> Jim B <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>; Jim B via Tigers
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that
              no one asked...<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">This same thing happened when horses
            became obsolete, some people just don't adapt <o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">to modern technology. <o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Nothing wrong with electric cars except
            the price and fear that the power grid won't support <o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">all of them. <o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Most of us Tiger guys won't live long
            enough (unfortunately) to worry about this one. <o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime
            running on solar panel charged electricity.  All <o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">our local trips can be done with the 30
            mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on trips, great <o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">transportation device! <o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">73, <o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Gary <o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Oh, I like that sound device, I have been
            thinking of how I could build one myself.  The <o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Prius has the worst worn out brake pad
            sound of scraping, screeching sounder to warm blind <o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">pedestrians.. where the heck did they
            come up with that, a V8 burble would be so much <o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">better. <o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers
              &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
              wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">Okay, here
              is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as
              stupid gets. I did hear somewhere that “some” people are
              worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to
              hear an approaching EV. From experience, I can tell you
              that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step into
              traffic around here without even looking. We will probably
              replace my wife’s compact SUV with an EV in the near
              future. We already have a solar array designed to make up
              for the juice required and I plan to install a level 2
              charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enough
              in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for
              us California guys, speaking for myself, I think I’ll be
              long gone before there is absolutely no petrol to be had.
              Somewhere down the line, it will probably get very
              expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have
              to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big
              block Ford just to keep em running right. Car shows and
              Sunday drives are the norm. </span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">With all
                that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I
                can see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects.
                That could be a hoot. AND, I have to admit that
                I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes of my
                bicycle as a kid! </span> <o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">JMHO</span>
              <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">Cheers</span>
              <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">Jim B</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <br>
                <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    Sencindiver &lt;<a
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Just saw (this weekend) the
                      Borla system get installed on a Mustang MachE on
                      an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV). <o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM
                        Stu &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt">Just what
                                every EV owner needs... <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt"><a
href="https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-vehicles/"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Borla
                                  Active Performance Sound for Electric
                                  Vehicles</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I am pretty sure hybrids have to go away too.
It=E2=80=99s why Toyota is finally trying to make an
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                That is a good question.

The problem is there is no complete explanation and the way law makers =
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Michael =
<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 That is a good =
question.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The problem is there is no =
complete explanation and the way law makers are writing bills; they =
can=E2=80=99t seem to write them in plain English without loopholes or =
ambiguity.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hybrids should be OK but they will probably get around =
to ban them in the future.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> =
michael king &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, =
October 03, 2022 12:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ron Fraser =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> GARY WINBLAD =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Jim B &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] The answer to a =
question that no one asked...<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><br><br>On =
Monday, 3 October 2022, Ron Fraser &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
#CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Seems to me =
California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol engine by =
2035.&nbsp;&nbsp; My 1<sup>st</sup> question would be how many of those =
politicians own an EV now?&nbsp;&nbsp; My guess, =
few.<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron isnt the ban petrol ONLY powered? I thought =
Hybrids would be allowed just banning pure fossil fuel new car =
sales?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><br><br>-- =
<br>Regards<br><br>Michael King<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>
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Will the Governor's=C2=A0 gasoline powered jet be banned from use in 2035?

In a message dated 10/3/2022 4:15:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, rfraser@blue=
frog.com writes:=C2=A0

Michael

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 That is a good question.

The problem is there is no complete explanation and the way law makers are =
writing bills; they can=E2=80=99t seem to write them in plain English witho=
ut loopholes or ambiguity.

=C2=A0

Hybrids should be OK but they will probably get around to ban them in the f=
uture.

=C2=A0

Ron Fraser

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Cc: GARY WINBLAD <[email-masked]>; Jim B <[email-masked]>; tigers=
@autox.team.net

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol =
engine by 2035.=C2=A0=C2=A0 My 1st question would be how many of those poli=
ticians own an EV now?=C2=A0=C2=A0 My guess, few.

=C2=A0

Ron isnt the ban petrol ONLY powered? I thought Hybrids would be allowed ju=
st banning pure fossil fuel new car sales?

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Regards

Michael King

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<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #000000;"><span style="color: #000000; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold;">Will the Governor's&nbsp; gasoline powered jet be banned from use in 2035?<br></span></div>
<br>In a message dated 10/3/2022 4:15:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email-masked] writes:
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<p class="yiv6665956304MsoNormal">Michael</p>
<p class="yiv6665956304MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; That is a good question.</p>
<p class="yiv6665956304MsoNormal">The problem is there is no complete explanation and the way law makers are writing bills; they can&rsquo;t seem to write them in plain English without loopholes or ambiguity.</p>
<p class="yiv6665956304MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="yiv6665956304MsoNormal">Hybrids should be OK but they will probably get around to ban them in the future.</p>
<p class="yiv6665956304MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="yiv6665956304MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p>
<p class="yiv6665956304MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="yiv6665956304MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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<p class="yiv6665956304MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> michael king &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br clear="none"><strong>Sent:</strong> Monday, October 03, 2022 12:20 PM<br clear="none"><strong>To:</strong> Ron Fraser &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear="none"><strong>Cc:</strong> GARY WINBLAD &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Jim B &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; <a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">[email-masked]</a><br clear="none"><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...</p>
<p class="yiv6665956304MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="yiv6665956304MsoNormal"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Monday, 3 October 2022, Ron Fraser &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
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<p class="yiv6665956304MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="yiv6665956304MsoNormal">Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol engine by 2035.&nbsp;&nbsp; My 1<sup>st</sup> question would be how many of those politicians own an EV now?&nbsp;&nbsp; My guess, few.</p>
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<p class="yiv6665956304MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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<p class="yiv6665956304MsoNormal">Ron isnt the ban petrol ONLY powered? I thought Hybrids would be allowed just banning pure fossil fuel new car sales?</p>
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<p class="yiv6665956304MsoNormal"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">Regards<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Michael King</p>
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David,
The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you want.  Not every pol=
e but...
They are all over at least out in CA.  It can add 200 miles in only 20 minu=
tes and they put them
right by restaurants, shopping malls, coffee shops, hotels, etc.  The big d=
isplay on the dash tells you
when you need a charge and directs you in.  It gives options and it knows i=
f there will be any
wait or anything.  Pretty impressive.  The future is here.
Unfortunately, that's why the only EV I would consider right now is a Tesla=
...
Gary

>     On 10/03/2022 1:11 PM David Sosna via Tigers <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
>=20
>=20
>     Hey, Ron:
>=20
>     I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, so this i=
s largely theoretical for me.
>=20
>     I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole.  Seriously.  Travell=
ing between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone pole, whip o=
ut my credit card, get information on what that particular electricity prov=
ider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction and get a receipt. =
 Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of receipt paper on each pho=
ne-pole charger is kept full. =F0=9F=98=89
>=20
>     Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric=
 utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal; c=
onventional charging stations would be--in the same future of phone-pole ch=
argers--as readily available there as gas stations are now.
>=20
>     There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm guessi=
ng your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. =
=F0=9F=98=81
> >         I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla re=
p stated that there were several different engine sounds in the controller =
including Ferrari and more were being developed.   Alright, a Prius with Fe=
rrari engine sound.
> >=20
> >=20
> >         I think Borla found a niche for those who just can=E2=80=99t be=
 without the latest electronic gismo.   Borla will make a profit until the =
craze evaporates or a government body says NO more please.
> >=20
> >=20
> >         Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sal=
e of petrol engine by 2035.   My 1st question would be how many of those po=
liticians own an EV now?   My guess, few.
> >=20
> >=20
> >         IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering =
the consequences.   The power grid is not ready, the charging stations are =
not ready, battery technology is better but not totally ready for prime tim=
e and more important; until the EV range is specified for 20 degrees F, I=
=E2=80=99m not interested.   Regional Transit here has some EV buses and if=
 it get too cold they can=E2=80=99t use them, the range drops too far.  =20
> >         EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but co=
untry folks drive longer distances for everything including work.   Some of=
 those EV=E2=80=99s are going to leave people stranded in the winter unless=
 they put a charging station on every telephone pole.
> >=20
> >=20
> >         Ron Fraser
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >         From: Tigers <[email-masked]> mailto:tigers-boun=
[email-masked] On Behalf Of GARY WINBLAD
> >         To: Jim B <[email-masked]> mailto:[email-masked] ; Jim B via =
Tigers <[email-masked]> mailto:[email-masked]
> >         Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one aske=
d...
> >=20
> >=20
> >         This same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some peop=
le just don't adapt
> >=20
> >         to modern technology.
> >=20
> >         Nothing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that=
 the power grid won't support
> >=20
> >         all of them.
> >=20
> >         Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to=
 worry about this one.
> >=20
> >         Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel =
charged electricity.  All
> >=20
> >         our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets=
 70MPG on trips, great
> >=20
> >         transportation device!
> >=20
> >         73,
> >=20
> >         Gary
> >=20
> >         Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I cou=
ld build one myself.  The
> >=20
> >         Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of scraping, scree=
ching sounder to warm blind
> >=20
> >         pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 b=
urble would be so much
> >=20
> >         better.
> >=20
> >             > > >=20
> > >             On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers <[email-masked]=
.net mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >             Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as =
stupid as stupid gets. I did hear somewhere that =E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D peo=
ple are worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an app=
roaching EV. From experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150=
. Many people step into traffic around here without even looking. We will p=
robably replace my wife=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an EV in the near future=
. We already have a solar array designed to make up for the juice required =
and I plan to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never trav=
el far enough in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us=
 California guys, speaking for myself, I think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone be=
fore there is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it w=
ill probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I=
 have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford j=
ust to keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm.=20
> > >=20
> > >             With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound =
idea! I can see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could b=
e a hoot. AND, I have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the=
 spokes of my bicycle as a kid!=20
> > >=20
> > >             JMHO
> > >=20
> > >             Cheers
> > >=20
> > >             Jim B
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >                 > > > >=20
> > > >                 On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver <jd.sen=
[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >                 Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get instal=
led on a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >                 On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <[email-masked]=
om mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
> > > > >                     Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric V=
ehicles https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electri=
c-vehicles/
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     _____________________________________________=
__
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net
> > > > >                     Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers=
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/op=
tions/tigers/[email-masked]
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tigers/[email-masked]
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   David,
   <br>
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   &nbsp;The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you want.&nbsp;=
 Not every pole but...
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   They are all over at least out in CA.&nbsp; It can add 200 miles in only=
 20 minutes and they put them
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   right by restaurants, shopping malls, coffee shops, hotels, etc.&nbsp; T=
he big display on the dash tells you
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   when you need a charge and directs you in.&nbsp; It gives options and it=
 knows if there will be any
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   wait or anything.&nbsp; Pretty impressive.&nbsp; The future is here.
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   Unfortunately, that's why the only EV I would consider right now is a Te=
sla...
   <br>
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   Gary
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    On 10/03/2022 1:11 PM David Sosna via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&=
gt; wrote:
   </div>
   <div>
    <br>
   </div>
   <div>
    <br>
   </div>
   <p>Hey, Ron:</p>
   <p>I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, so this i=
s largely theoretical for me.</p>
   <p>I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole.&nbsp; Seriously.&nbs=
p; Travelling between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone po=
le, whip out my credit card, get information on what that particular electr=
icity provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction and get a=
 receipt.&nbsp; Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of receipt pa=
per on each phone-pole charger is kept full. =F0=9F=98=89</p>
   <p>Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric=
 utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal; c=
onventional charging stations would be--in the same future of phone-pole ch=
argers--as readily available there as gas stations are now.<br></p>
   <p>There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm guessi=
ng your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. =
=F0=9F=98=81</p>
   <p>Best Regards</p>
   <p>David Sosna</p>
   <p><br></p>
   <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">
    On 10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote:
    <br>
   </div>
   <blockquote type=3D"cite">
    <div class=3D"WordSection1">
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to=
 me the Borla rep stated that there were several different engine sounds in=
 the controller including Ferrari and more were being developed.&nbsp;&nbsp=
; Alright, a Prius with Ferrari engine sound.</p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think Borla found a niche for those who just =
can=E2=80=99t be without the latest electronic gismo.&nbsp;&nbsp; Borla wil=
l make a profit until the craze evaporates or a government body says NO mor=
e please.</p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Seems to me California and New York have alread=
y banned the sale of petrol engine by 2035.&nbsp;&nbsp; My 1<sup>st</sup> q=
uestion would be how many of those politicians own an EV now?&nbsp;&nbsp; M=
y guess, few.</p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal">IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 with=
out considering the consequences.&nbsp;&nbsp; The power grid is not ready, =
the charging stations are not ready, battery technology is better but not t=
otally ready for prime time and more important; until the EV range is speci=
fied for 20 degrees F, I=E2=80=99m not interested.&nbsp;&nbsp; Regional Tra=
nsit here has some EV buses and if it get too cold they can=E2=80=99t use t=
hem, the range drops too far. &nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow =
country.</p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal">EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clea=
r the air but country folks drive longer distances for everything including=
 work.&nbsp;&nbsp; Some of those EV=E2=80=99s are going to leave people str=
anded in the winter unless they put a charging station on every telephone p=
ole.</p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
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      <div style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1            1.0p=
t; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;">
       <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Tigers <a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E">&lt;tiger=
[email-masked]&gt;</a> <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>GARY WINBLAD=
<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Monday, October 03, 2022 8:18 AM<br><strong>To:<=
/strong> Jim B <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc=
2396E">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>; Jim B via Tigers <a href=3D"mailto:tige=
[email-masked]" class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E">&lt;[email-masked]=
t&gt;</a><br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Tigers] The answer to a questio=
n that no one asked...</p>
      </div>
     </div>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">This same thing happened when horses became ob=
solete, some people just don't adapt</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">to modern technology.</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Nothing wrong with electric cars except the pr=
ice and fear that the power grid won't support</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">all of them.</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (=
unfortunately) to worry about this one.</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime runnin=
g on solar panel charged electricity.&nbsp; All</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">our local trips can be done with the 30 mile r=
anged but it gets 70MPG on trips, great</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">transportation device!</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">73,</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Gary</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thin=
king of how I could build one myself.&nbsp; The</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound o=
f scraping, screeching sounder to warm blind</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up =
with that, a V8 burble would be so much</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">better.</p>
     </div>
     <blockquote>
      <div>
       <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers &lt;<a=
 class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tige=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
      </div>
      <div>
       <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
      </div>
      <div>
       <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
      </div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;">Okay, here =
is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did&=
nbsp;hear&nbsp;somewhere that&nbsp;=E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D people are worrie=
d about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. F=
rom experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people =
step into traffic around here without even looking. We will probably replac=
e my wife=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already h=
ave a solar array&nbsp;designed to make up for the juice required and I pla=
n to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far en=
ough in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us Californ=
ia guys, speaking for myself, I think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone&nbsp;before=
 there is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will =
probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I hav=
e to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just =
to keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm.&nbsp;</=
span></p>
      <div>
       <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;">With all t=
hat said; I&nbsp;kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV driv=
ers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have t=
o admit that I&nbsp;clothes pinned&nbsp;playing cards into the spokes of my=
 bicycle as a kid!&nbsp;</span></p>
      </div>
      <div>
       <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;">JMHO</span=
></p>
      </div>
      <div>
       <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;">Cheers</sp=
an></p>
      </div>
      <div>
       <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;">Jim B</spa=
n></p>
       <div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br></p>
        <blockquote>
         <div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindive=
r &lt;<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto:jd.sencindiver@gmai=
l.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
         </div>
         <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
         <div>
          <div>
           <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system =
get installed on a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor T=
rend TV).</p>
          </div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
          <div>
           <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu &lt;<a =
class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">sabre2t=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
           </div>
           <blockquote>
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             <div>
              <div>
               <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">Ju=
st what every&nbsp;EV owner&nbsp;needs... </span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
               <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">&n=
bsp;</span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
               <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"><a=
 target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.borla.com/products/active-performanc=
e-sound-for-electric-vehicles/" rel=3D"noopener">Borla Active Performance S=
ound for Electric Vehicles</a> </span></p>
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Tesla have the jump on everyone with infrastructure...which makes owning
their products easier...

As for the cars.. The Koreans with the EV range from Hyundai and KIA seem
to have made big ground on Telsa and if the charging infrastructure becomes
more generic other brands will come along.

The Chinese cars have a huge diversity of products... Good and bad... How
many make it beyond their borders guven global tensions will be interesting=
.

On Tuesday, 4 October 2022, GARY WINBLAD <[email-masked]> wrote:

> David,
>  The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you want.  Not every
> pole but...
> They are all over at least out in CA.  It can add 200 miles in only 20
> minutes and they put them
> right by restaurants, shopping malls, coffee shops, hotels, etc.  The big
> display on the dash tells you
> when you need a charge and directs you in.  It gives options and it knows
> if there will be any
> Unfortunately, that's why the only EV I would consider right now is a
> Tesla...
> Gary
>
> On 10/03/2022 1:11 PM David Sosna via Tigers <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hey, Ron:
>
> between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone pole, whip out
> my credit card, get information on what that particular electricity
> receipt.  Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of receipt paper =
on
> each phone-pole charger is kept full. =F0=9F=98=89
>
> conventional charging stations would be--in the same future of phone-pole
> chargers--as readily available there as gas stations are now.
>
> your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. =
=F0=9F=98=81
> I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep stated
> that there were several different engine sounds in the controller includi=
ng
> Ferrari and more were being developed.   Alright, a Prius with Ferrari
> engine sound.
>
>
> I think Borla found a niche for those who just can=E2=80=99t be without t=
he latest
> electronic gismo.   Borla will make a profit until the craze evaporates o=
r
> a government body says NO more please.
>
>
l
> consequences.   The power grid is not ready, the charging stations are no=
t
> ready, battery technology is better but not totally ready for prime time
> and more important; until the EV range is specified for 20 degrees F, I=
=E2=80=99m
> not interested.   Regional Transit here has some EV buses and if it get t=
oo
> cold they can=E2=80=99t use them, the range drops too far.
>
>
> EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but country folk=
s
> drive longer distances for everything including work.   Some of those EV=
=E2=80=99s
> are going to leave people stranded in the winter unless they put a chargi=
ng
> station on every telephone pole.
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]>
> <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *GARY WINBLAD
> *To:* Jim B <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>; Jim B via Tigers
> <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
> Nothing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the power
> grid won't support
>
> all of them.
>
> our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on
> trips, great
>
> transportation device!
>
> 73,
>
> Gary
>
> Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I could build
> one myself.  The
>
> pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble woul=
d
> Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid
> gets. I did hear somewhere that =E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D people are worried=
 about deaf and/or
> blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. From experience, I
> can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step into traffi=
c
> around here without even looking. We will probably replace my wife=E2=80=
=99s
> compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already have a solar
> array designed to make up for the juice required and I plan to install a
> level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in that
> car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California guys,
> speaking for myself, I think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone before there is ab=
solutely
> no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get very
> expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actually ma=
ke
> a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em runnin=
g
> right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm.
>
> With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see
> EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND,=
 I
> have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes of my
> bicycle as a kid!
>
> JMHO
>
> Cheers
>
> Jim B
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
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Tesla have the jump on everyone with infrastructure...which makes owning th=
eir products easier...<div><br></div><div>As for the cars.. The Koreans wit=
h the EV range from Hyundai and KIA seem to have made big ground on Telsa a=
nd if the charging infrastructure becomes more generic other brands will co=
me along.</div><div><br></div><div>The Chinese cars have a huge diversity o=
f products... Good and bad... How many make it beyond their borders guven g=
lobal tensions will be interesting.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br>O=
n Tuesday, 4 October 2022, GARY WINBLAD &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@c=
omcast.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex"><u></u>

 =20
  =20
=20
 <div>
  <div>
   David,
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   =C2=A0The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you want.=C2=A0=
 Not every pole but...
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   They are all over at least out in CA.=C2=A0 It can add 200 miles in only=
 20 minutes and they put them
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   right by restaurants, shopping malls, coffee shops, hotels, etc.=C2=A0 T=
he big display on the dash tells you
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   when you need a charge and directs you in.=C2=A0 It gives options and it=
 knows if there will be any
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   wait or anything.=C2=A0 Pretty impressive.=C2=A0 The future is here.
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   Unfortunately, that&#39;s why the only EV I would consider right now is =
a Tesla...
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   Gary
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   <br>
  </div>
  <blockquote type=3D"cite">
   <div>
    On 10/03/2022 1:11 PM David Sosna via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tige=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
   </div>
   <div>
    <br>
   </div>
   <div>
    <br>
   </div>
   <p>Hey, Ron:</p>
   <p>I&#39;ll qualify my response by noting that I don&#39;t have an EV, s=
o this is largely theoretical for me.</p>
   <p>I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole.=C2=A0 Seriously.=C2=
=A0 Travelling between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone p=
ole, whip out my credit card, get information on what that particular elect=
ricity provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction and get =
a receipt.=C2=A0 Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of receipt p=
aper on each phone-pole charger is kept full. =F0=9F=98=89</p>
   <p>Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric=
 utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn&#39;t seem like a big dea=
l; conventional charging stations would be--in the same future of phone-pol=
e chargers--as readily available there as gas stations are now.<br></p>
   <p>There&#39;s probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn&#39;t work and I&=
#39;m guessing your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it=
&#39;s elegant. =F0=9F=98=81</p>
   <p>Best Regards</p>
   <p>David Sosna</p>
   <p><br></p>
   <div>
    On 10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote:
    <br>
   </div>
   <blockquote type=3D"cite">
    <div>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to=
 me the Borla rep stated that there were several different engine sounds in=
 the controller including Ferrari and more were being developed.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 Alright, a Prius with Ferrari engine sound.</p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think Borla found a niche for those who just =
can=E2=80=99t be without the latest electronic gismo.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Borla wil=
l make a profit until the craze evaporates or a government body says NO mor=
e please.</p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Seems to me California and New York have alread=
y banned the sale of petrol engine by 2035.=C2=A0=C2=A0 My 1<sup>st</sup> q=
uestion would be how many of those politicians own an EV now?=C2=A0=C2=A0 M=
y guess, few.</p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal">IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 with=
out considering the consequences.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The power grid is not ready, =
the charging stations are not ready, battery technology is better but not t=
otally ready for prime time and more important; until the EV range is speci=
fied for 20 degrees F, I=E2=80=99m not interested.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Regional Tra=
nsit here has some EV buses and if it get too cold they can=E2=80=99t use t=
hem, the range drops too far. =C2=A0=C2=A0</p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow =
country.</p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal">EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clea=
r the air but country folks drive longer distances for everything including=
 work.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Some of those EV=E2=80=99s are going to leave people str=
anded in the winter unless they put a charging station on every telephone p=
ole.</p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
     <div>
      <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0p=
t 0in 0in 0in">
       <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Tigers <a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">&lt;tigers-bounces@auto=
x.team.<wbr>net&gt;</a> <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>GARY WINBLAD<br><stro=
ng>Sent:</strong> Monday, October 03, 2022 8:18 AM<br><strong>To:</strong> =
Jim B <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">&lt;jbsyv@yahoo.=
com&gt;</a>; Jim B via Tigers <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br><strong>Subject:</strong=
> Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...</p>
      </div>
     </div>
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">This same thing happened when horses became ob=
solete, some people just don&#39;t adapt</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">to modern technology.</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Nothing wrong with electric cars except the pr=
ice and fear that the power grid won&#39;t support</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">all of them.</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Most of us Tiger guys won&#39;t live long enou=
gh (unfortunately) to worry about this one.</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime runnin=
g on solar panel charged electricity.=C2=A0 All</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">our local trips can be done with the 30 mile r=
anged but it gets 70MPG on trips, great</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">transportation device!</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">73,</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Gary</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thin=
king of how I could build one myself.=C2=A0 The</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound o=
f scraping, screeching sounder to warm blind</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up =
with that, a V8 burble would be so much</p>
     </div>
     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">better.</p>
     </div>
     <blockquote>
      <div>
       <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
      </div>
      <div>
       <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
      </div>
      <div>
       <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
      </div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">Okay, here is=
 my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did=C2=
=A0hear=C2=A0somewhere that=C2=A0=E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D people are worried =
about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. Fro=
m experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people st=
ep into traffic around here without even looking. We will probably replace =
my wife=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already hav=
e a solar array=C2=A0designed to make up for the juice required and I plan =
to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enou=
gh in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California=
 guys, speaking for myself, I think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone=C2=A0before t=
here is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will pr=
obably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have =
to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to=
 keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm.=C2=A0</sp=
an></p>
      <div>
       <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">With all tha=
t said; I=C2=A0kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV driver=
s gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have to =
admit that I=C2=A0clothes pinned=C2=A0playing cards into the spokes of my b=
icycle as a kid!=C2=A0</span></p>
      </div>
      <div>
       <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">JMHO</span><=
/p>
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       <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">Cheers</span=
></p>
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        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br></p>
        <blockquote>
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          <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindive=
r &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">jd.senc=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
         </div>
         <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
         <div>
          <div>
           <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system =
get installed on a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor T=
rend TV).</p>
          </div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
          <div>
           <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:</p>
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             <div>
              <div>
               <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Just=
 what every=C2=A0EV owner=C2=A0needs... </span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
               <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">=C2=
=A0</span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
               <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><a h=
ref=3D"https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric=
-vehicles/" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">Borla Active Performance Sou=
nd for Electric Vehicles</a> </span></p>
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 09:06:17 -0600 (MDT)

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(for non-EV-interested people, feel free to ignore)=20

I've had a Polestar 2 as my daily driver since April. Polestar is a joint v=
enture between Volvo and Geely (the chinese car maker that is behind a bunc=
h of upcoming EV technology).=20
The spec range for it is 250 miles (400 km) from a 78 kWh battery. 400 hp a=
nd all wheel drive make it a pretty quick ride but it's heavier than a Tesl=
a model 3. The Polestar uses a standard SAE J1772 charge plug and it's actu=
ally delivered with an charge cord that has both a 14-50P (250V, 50A) plug =
and a 110V 16A plug adapter. In a pinch, you can plug it in at any place th=
at could also accommodate an RV.=20

A couple of weeks ago we drove it to Edmonton. 200 miles at 75 mph used up =
about 70 percent of the battery, and we did that in one shot. As it happene=
d, the car dealer across from our hotel had a public 24 kW DC charger. That=
's in the 'fast' category but not nearly as fast as most other public charg=
ers, which range from 50 to 350 kW. So we charged it for about an hour that=
 afternoon while we were getting set up at the hotel, and again for about a=
n hour the next morning while we were having breakfast. That put us back at=
 about 75% battery.=20

When we started driving back to Calgary, the nav system predicted we'd be f=
our percent short and suggested we put in a charging stop. We set off witho=
ut doing that, but (unlike the previous day) our range prediction got more =
gloomy over the first half hour or so, so we decided to hit a 50 kW charger=
 in Red Deer. A 35 minute stop there (with a coffee break) got us 30% more =
charge and we actually finished the trip with about 35% left in the battery=
. Our net 'extra time' over what we would otherwise do was maybe ten minute=
s max, since we normally already do make a stop halfway back for a coffee o=
r whatever.=20

I think in general, EV technology is at a bit of an inflection point right =
now. There are a bunch of new cars coming to market, some from well establi=
shed makers and some from people you've never heard of. For all of us that =
can accommodate a level 2 charger in the garage or carport, the cost of ele=
ctricity makes the operating cost a no brainer. Depending on your transport=
ation needs, you might never need a public charger for regular commuting.=
=20
There are at least half a dozen charger infrastructure tracking apps that w=
ill tell you where the public chargers are and whether they are currently i=
n use. It's maybe not as slick as the Tesla network but it is coming along =
pretty quickly. Probably the biggest issue is that sometimes chargers show =
up on a map but they are not functional - the crowdsourced reviews can help=
 you there. Secondary issue is that a charger might be occupied when you ge=
t there. Probably not a huge deal if it's another EV (although that might d=
elay your trip by half an hour) but it sucks when it's someone that's parke=
d their car there just to block the charger from being used.=20

Since this is kind of off-topic for the Tiger mailing list, feel free to re=
ply direct and not through the list if you think that's more appropriate.=
=20

Cheers,=20
Theo=20

From: "michael king via Tigers" <[email-masked]>=20
To: "Gary" <[email-masked]>=20
Cc: "David Sosna" <[email-masked]>, "David Sosna via Tiger=
s" <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 6:45:29 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...=20

Tesla have the jump on everyone with infrastructure...which makes owning th=
eir products easier...=20
As for the cars.. The Koreans with the EV range from Hyundai and KIA seem t=
o have made big ground on Telsa and if the charging infrastructure becomes =
more generic other brands will come along.=20

The Chinese cars have a huge diversity of products... Good and bad... How m=
any make it beyond their borders guven global tensions will be interesting.=
=20

On Tuesday, 4 October 2022, GARY WINBLAD < [ mailto:[email-masked]=
 | [email-masked] ] > wrote:=20

David,=20
The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you want. Not every pole=
 but...=20
They are all over at least out in CA. It can add 200 miles in only 20 minut=
es and they put them=20
right by restaurants, shopping malls, coffee shops, hotels, etc. The big di=
splay on the dash tells you=20
when you need a charge and directs you in. It gives options and it knows if=
 there will be any=20
wait or anything. Pretty impressive. The future is here.=20
Unfortunately, that's why the only EV I would consider right now is a Tesla=
...=20
Gary=20

BQ_BEGIN

On 10/03/2022 1:11 PM David Sosna via Tigers < [ mailto:[email-masked]=
et | [email-masked] ] > wrote:=20

Hey, Ron:=20

I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, so this is larg=
ely theoretical for me.=20

I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole. Seriously. Travelling betw=
een cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone pole, whip out my cr=
edit card, get information on what that particular electricity provider is =
selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction and get a receipt. Okay, SO=
MEbody has to make sure that the roll of receipt paper on each phone-pole c=
harger is kept full. =F0=9F=98=89=20

Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric utili=
ties, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal; convent=
ional charging stations would be--in the same future of phone-pole chargers=
--as readily available there as gas stations are now.=20

There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm guessing you=
r suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. =F0=9F=
=98=81=20

Best Regards=20

David Sosna=20

On 10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote:=20

BQ_BEGIN

I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep stated tha=
t there were several different engine sounds in the controller including Fe=
rrari and more were being developed. Alright, a Prius with Ferrari engine s=
ound.=20

I think Borla found a niche for those who just can=E2=80=99t be without the=
 latest electronic gismo. Borla will make a profit until the craze evaporat=
es or a government body says NO more please.=20

Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol =
engine by 2035. My 1 st question would be how many of those politicians own=
 an EV now? My guess, few.=20

IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the conseque=
nces. The power grid is not ready, the charging stations are not ready, bat=
tery technology is better but not totally ready for prime time and more imp=
ortant; until the EV range is specified for 20 degrees F, I=E2=80=99m not i=
nterested. Regional Transit here has some EV buses and if it get too cold t=
hey can=E2=80=99t use them, the range drops too far.=20

I would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow country.=20

EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but country folks =
drive longer distances for everything including work. Some of those EV=E2=
=80=99s are going to leave people stranded in the winter unless they put a =
charging station on every telephone pole.=20

Ron Fraser=20

From: Tigers [ mailto:[email-masked] | <tigers-bounces@autox=
.team.net> ] On Behalf Of GARY WINBLAD=20
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 8:18 AM=20
To: Jim B [ mailto:[email-masked] | <[email-masked]> ] ; Jim B via Tigers=
 [ mailto:[email-masked] | <[email-masked]> ]=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...=20

t adapt=20

to modern technology.=20

rid won't support=20

all of them.=20

 this one.=20

tricity. All=20

ips, great=20

73,=20

Gary=20

 myself. The=20

r to warm blind=20

be so much=20

better.=20

BQ_BEGIN

On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers < [ mailto:[email-masked] | t=
[email-masked] ] > wrote:=20

Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid g=
ets. I did hear somewhere that =E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D people are worried ab=
out deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. From =
experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step=
 into traffic around here without even looking. We will probably replace my=
 wife=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already have =
a solar array designed to make up for the juice required and I plan to inst=
all a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in t=
hat car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California guys, =
speaking for myself, I think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone before there is abso=
lutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get v=
ery expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actually =
make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em run=
ning right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm.=20

With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV=
 drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I h=
ave to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes of my bicy=
cle as a kid!=20

JMHO=20

Cheers=20

Jim B=20

BQ_BEGIN

On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver < [ mailto:jd.sencindiver@gmail=
.com | [email-masked] ] > wrote:=20

Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang MachE o=
n an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).=20

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu < [ mailto:[email-masked] | sabre2tgr=
@gmail.com ] > wrote:=20

BQ_BEGIN

[ https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-vehi=
cles/ | Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles ]=20

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: #000000"><div>(for non-EV-interested people, feel free to=
 ignore)</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>I've had a Polestar =
2 as my daily driver since April. Polestar is a joint venture between Volvo=
 and Geely (the chinese car maker that is behind a bunch of upcoming EV tec=
hnology).</div><div>The spec range for it is 250 miles (400 km) from a 78 k=
Wh battery. 400 hp and all wheel drive make it a pretty quick ride but it's=
 heavier than a Tesla model 3. The Polestar uses a standard SAE J1772 charg=
e plug and it's actually delivered with an charge cord that has both a 14-5=
0P (250V, 50A) plug and a 110V 16A plug adapter. In a pinch, you can plug i=
t in at any place that could also accommodate an RV.</div><div><br data-mce=
-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>A couple of weeks ago we drove it to &nbsp;Edmonton=
. 200 miles at 75 mph used up about 70 percent of the battery, and we did t=
hat in one shot. As it happened, the car dealer across from our hotel had a=
 public 24 kW DC charger. That's in the 'fast' category but not nearly as f=
ast as most other public chargers, which range from 50 to 350 kW. So we cha=
rged it for about an hour that afternoon while we were getting set up at th=
e hotel, and again for about an hour the next morning while we were having =
breakfast. That put us back at about 75% battery.</div><div><br data-mce-bo=
gus=3D"1"></div><div>When we started driving back to Calgary, the nav syste=
m predicted we'd be four percent short and suggested we put in a charging s=
top. We set off without doing that, but (unlike the previous day) our range=
 prediction got more gloomy over the first half hour or so, so we decided t=
o hit a 50 kW charger in Red Deer. A 35 minute stop there (with a coffee br=
eak) got us 30% more charge and we actually finished the trip with about 35=
% left in the battery. Our net 'extra time' over what we would otherwise do=
 was maybe ten minutes max, since we normally already do make a stop halfwa=
y back for a coffee or whatever.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><=
div>I think in general, EV technology is at a bit of an inflection point ri=
ght now. There are a bunch of new cars coming to market, some from well est=
ablished makers and some from people you've never heard of. For all of us t=
hat can accommodate a level 2 charger in the garage or carport, the cost of=
 electricity makes the operating cost a no brainer. Depending on your trans=
portation needs, you might never need a public charger for regular commutin=
g.</div><div> There are at least half a dozen charger infrastructure tracki=
ng apps that will tell you where the public chargers are and whether they a=
re currently in use. It's maybe not as slick as the Tesla network but it is=
 coming along pretty quickly. Probably the biggest issue is that sometimes =
chargers show up on a map but they are not functional - the crowdsourced re=
views can help you there. Secondary issue is that a charger might be occupi=
ed when you get there. Probably not a huge deal if it's another EV (althoug=
h that might delay your trip by half an hour) but it sucks when it's someon=
e that's parked their car there just to block the charger from being used.<=
/div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>Since this is kind of off-top=
ic for the Tiger mailing list, feel free to reply direct and not through th=
e list if you think that's more appropriate.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=
=3D"1"></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Theo</div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwch=
r" data-marker=3D"__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>From: </=
b>"michael king via Tigers" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>To: </b>"Ga=
ry" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>"David Sosna" &lt;sosnaen=
[email-masked]&gt;, "David Sosna via Tigers" &lt;[email-masked]=
m.net&gt;<br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, October 4, 2022 6:45:29 AM<br><b>Subject=
: </b>Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...<br></div><=
div><br></div><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TEXT__">Tesla have the jump on e=
veryone with infrastructure...which makes owning their products easier...<b=
r><div>As for the cars.. The Koreans with the EV range from Hyundai and KIA=
 seem to have made big ground on Telsa and if the charging infrastructure b=
ecomes more generic other brands will come along.</div><br><div>The Chinese=
 cars have a huge diversity of products... Good and bad... How many make it=
 beyond their borders guven global tensions will be interesting.</div><br><=
div><br><div><br>On Tuesday, 4 October 2022, GARY WINBLAD &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener no=
referrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
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   David,
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[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer">t=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
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n 0in 0in">
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopene=
r noreferrer">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <strong>On Behalf O=
f </strong>GARY WINBLAD<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Monday, October 03, 2022 =
8:18 AM<br><strong>To:</strong> Jim B <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer">&lt;[email-masked]&gt=
;</a>; Jim B via Tigers <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<=
/a><br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that=
 no one asked...</p>
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow no=
opener noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
 my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did&nb=
sp;hear&nbsp;somewhere that&nbsp;=E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D people are worried =
e a solar array&nbsp;designed to make up for the juice required and I plan =
 guys, speaking for myself, I think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone&nbsp;before t=
 keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm.&nbsp;</sp=
t said; I&nbsp;kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV driver=
admit that I&nbsp;clothes pinned&nbsp;playing cards into the spokes of my b=
icycle as a kid!&nbsp;</span></p>
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r &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"=
nofollow noopener noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
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          <div>
           <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system =
get installed on a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor T=
rend TV).</p>
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noope=
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               <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Just w=
hat every&nbsp;EV owner&nbsp;needs... </span></p>
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               <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">&nbsp;=
</span></p>
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               <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt"><a hre=
f=3D"https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-v=
ehicles/" rel=3D"noopener nofollow noopener noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">B=
orla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles</a> </span></p>
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David

                Paper receipts are not Carbon Neutral, todays political =
key words and talking points.

You would need a smart phone with an app to use a telephone charging =
station.   I don=E2=80=99t think my flip phone is smart enough or it may =
just be me.

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Gary mentioned the Tesla supercharger network.   They are concentrating =
on cities, as they should, that is where it is really needed. =20

Out in the countryside its different.  It does not seem like anyone is =
even thinking about the kind of network needed for the country folks.

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The local Transit Bus station here is not that impressed with Tesla =
charging stations for buses.    They had to hire extra people because =
the charging station would shut off at night before the charge was =
completed.   The extra workers have to shut the chargers off then on =
again to get the complete 8 hr. charge.

=20

Fortunately there have only been a few EV vehicle fires, that we know =
about.   The fire start slow enough for the people to get out but you =
really can=E2=80=99t put out a lithium battery fire until it burns out.  =
 This problem needs better solutions so it never happens.

=20

I=E2=80=99m not against EV vehicles, I just think the politician are =
forcing them down our throats before the Technology is ready.

=20

What happens to an EV when submerged in sea water?

=20

Ron Fraser

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From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of David Sosna =
via Tigers
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 1:12 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...

=20

Hey, Ron:

I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, so this is =
largely theoretical for me.

I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole.  Seriously.  Travelling =
between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone pole, whip =
out my credit card, get information on what that particular electricity =
provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction and get a =
receipt.  Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of receipt paper =
on each phone-pole charger is kept full. =F0=9F=98=89

Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric =
utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal; =
conventional charging stations would be--in the same future of =
phone-pole chargers--as readily available there as gas stations are now.

There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm guessing =
your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. =
=F0=9F=98=81

Best Regards

David Sosna

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all of them.=20

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Gary=20

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Neutral</u>, todays political key words and talking =
points.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>You would need a smart phone =
with an app to use a telephone charging station.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I =
don=E2=80=99t think my flip phone is smart enough or it may just be =
me.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Gary mentioned the Tesla supercharger =
network.=C2=A0=C2=A0 They are concentrating on cities, as they should, =
that is where it is really needed.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Out in the countryside its different.=C2=A0 It does =
not seem like anyone is even thinking about the kind of network needed =
for the country folks.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The local =
Transit Bus station here is not that impressed with Tesla charging =
stations for buses.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 They had to hire extra people =
because the charging station would shut off at night before the charge =
was completed.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The extra workers have to shut the chargers =
off then on again to get the complete 8 hr. charge.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Fortunately =
there have only been a few EV vehicle fires, that we know =
about.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The fire start slow enough for the people to get out =
but you really can=E2=80=99t put out a lithium battery fire until it =
burns out.=C2=A0=C2=A0 This problem needs better solutions so it never =
happens.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m not against EV vehicles, I just think the =
politician are forcing them down our throats before the Technology is =
ready.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>What happens to an EV when submerged in sea =
water?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Sosna =
via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 03, 2022 1:12 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] =
The answer to a question that no one =
asked...<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>Hey, =
Ron:<o:p></o:p></p><p>I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't =
have an EV, so this is largely theoretical for me.<o:p></o:p></p><p>I =
like the idea of a charger on each phone pole.&nbsp; Seriously.&nbsp; =
Travelling between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone =
pole, whip out my credit card, get information on what that particular =
electricity provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction =
and get a receipt.&nbsp; Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll =
of receipt paper on each phone-pole charger is kept full. <span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji",sans-serif'>&#128521;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p>Given that my city =
is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric utilities, a lack of =
phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal; conventional =
charging stations would be--in the same future of phone-pole =
chargers--as readily available there as gas stations are =
now.<o:p></o:p></p><p>There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't =
work and I'm guessing your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still =
like it--it's elegant. <span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji",sans-serif'>&#128513;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p>Best =
Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p>David =
Sosna<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep stated =
that there were several different engine sounds in the controller =
including Ferrari and more were being developed.&nbsp;&nbsp; Alright, a =
Prius with Ferrari engine sound.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I think =
Borla found a niche for those who just can=E2=80=99t be without the =
latest electronic gismo.&nbsp;&nbsp; Borla will make a profit until the =
craze evaporates or a government body says NO more =
please.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Seems to me California and New York have already =
banned the sale of petrol engine by 2035.&nbsp;&nbsp; My 1<sup>st</sup> =
question would be how many of those politicians own an EV =
now?&nbsp;&nbsp; My guess, few.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>IMO the =
politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the =
consequences.&nbsp;&nbsp; The power grid is not ready, the charging =
stations are not ready, battery technology is better but not totally =
ready for prime time and more important; until the EV range is specified =
for 20 degrees F, I=E2=80=99m not interested.&nbsp;&nbsp; Regional =
Transit here has some EV buses and if it get too cold they can=E2=80=99t =
use them, the range drops too far. &nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I would only =
consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow country.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>EV vehicles =
are needed for major cities to clear the air but country folks drive =
longer distances for everything including work.&nbsp;&nbsp; Some of =
those EV=E2=80=99s are going to leave people stranded in the winter =
unless they put a charging station on every telephone =
pole.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]=
am.net&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>GARY WINBLAD<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, =
October 03, 2022 8:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jim B <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>; Jim B via =
Tigers <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><b=
r><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one =
asked...<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>This =
same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just don't =
adapt <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>to modern =
technology. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Nothing wrong =
with electric cars except the price and fear that the power grid won't =
support <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>all of them. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Most of us Tiger guys =
won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry about this one. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Most of my miles now is =
our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged electricity.&nbsp; All =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>our local trips can be =
done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on trips, great =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>transportation device! =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>73, =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Gary =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Oh, I like that sound =
device, I have been thinking of how I could build one myself.&nbsp; The =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Prius has the worst worn =
out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching sounder to warm blind =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>pedestrians.. where the =
heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble would be so much =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>better. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Okay, here is my take. My first impression is =
this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did&nbsp;hear&nbsp;somewhere =
that&nbsp;=E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D people are worried about deaf and/or =
blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. From experience, I =
can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step into =
traffic around here without even looking. We will probably replace my =
wife=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already =
have a solar array&nbsp;designed to make up for the juice required and I =
plan to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel =
far enough in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us =
California guys, speaking for myself, I think I=E2=80=99ll be long =
gone&nbsp;before there is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down =
the line, it will probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not =
bad already) but, I have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger =
and my big block Ford just to keep em running right. Car shows and =
Sunday drives are the norm.&nbsp;</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>With all that said; =
I&nbsp;kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV drivers =
gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have to =
admit that I&nbsp;clothes pinned&nbsp;playing cards into the spokes of =
my bicycle as a kid!&nbsp;</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>JMHO</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Cheers</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Jim =
B</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed =
on a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV). =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Just what =
every&nbsp;EV owner&nbsp;needs... </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-elect=
ric-vehicles/" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Borla =
Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p =
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Theo

Thank you for your driving experience with an EV; its good to see =
firsthand information.

I=E2=80=99m still curious about an EV=E2=80=99s driving range in the =
cold of winter.

=20

Ron Fraser

=20

From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Theo Smit
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2022 11:06 AM
To: michael king <[email-masked]>
Cc: David Sosna <[email-masked]>; David Sosna via =
Tigers <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...

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(for non-EV-interested people, feel free to ignore)

=20

I've had a Polestar 2 as my daily driver since April. Polestar is a =
joint venture between Volvo and Geely (the chinese car maker that is =
behind a bunch of upcoming EV technology).

The spec range for it is 250 miles (400 km) from a 78 kWh battery. 400 =
hp and all wheel drive make it a pretty quick ride but it's heavier than =
a Tesla model 3. The Polestar uses a standard SAE J1772 charge plug and =
it's actually delivered with an charge cord that has both a 14-50P =
(250V, 50A) plug and a 110V 16A plug adapter. In a pinch, you can plug =
it in at any place that could also accommodate an RV.

=20

A couple of weeks ago we drove it to  Edmonton. 200 miles at 75 mph used =
up about 70 percent of the battery, and we did that in one shot. As it =
happened, the car dealer across from our hotel had a public 24 kW DC =
charger. That's in the 'fast' category but not nearly as fast as most =
other public chargers, which range from 50 to 350 kW. So we charged it =
for about an hour that afternoon while we were getting set up at the =
hotel, and again for about an hour the next morning while we were having =
breakfast. That put us back at about 75% battery.

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When we started driving back to Calgary, the nav system predicted we'd =
be four percent short and suggested we put in a charging stop. We set =
off without doing that, but (unlike the previous day) our range =
prediction got more gloomy over the first half hour or so, so we decided =
to hit a 50 kW charger in Red Deer. A 35 minute stop there (with a =
coffee break) got us 30% more charge and we actually finished the trip =
with about 35% left in the battery. Our net 'extra time' over what we =
would otherwise do was maybe ten minutes max, since we normally already =
do make a stop halfway back for a coffee or whatever.

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I think in general, EV technology is at a bit of an inflection point =
right now. There are a bunch of new cars coming to market, some from =
well established makers and some from people you've never heard of. For =
all of us that can accommodate a level 2 charger in the garage or =
carport, the cost of electricity makes the operating cost a no brainer. =
Depending on your transportation needs, you might never need a public =
charger for regular commuting.

There are at least half a dozen charger infrastructure tracking apps =
that will tell you where the public chargers are and whether they are =
currently in use. It's maybe not as slick as the Tesla network but it is =
coming along pretty quickly. Probably the biggest issue is that =
sometimes chargers show up on a map but they are not functional - the =
crowdsourced reviews can help you there. Secondary issue is that a =
charger might be occupied when you get there. Probably not a huge deal =
if it's another EV (although that might delay your trip by half an hour) =
but it sucks when it's someone that's parked their car there just to =
block the charger from being used.

=20

Since this is kind of off-topic for the Tiger mailing list, feel free to =
reply direct and not through the list if you think that's more =
appropriate.

=20

Cheers,

Theo

=20

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From: "michael king via Tigers" <[email-masked] =
Cc: "David Sosna" <[email-masked]>, "David Sosna via =
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 6:45:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...

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Tesla have the jump on everyone with infrastructure...which makes owning =
their products easier...

As for the cars.. The Koreans with the EV range from Hyundai and KIA =
seem to have made big ground on Telsa and if the charging infrastructure =
becomes more generic other brands will come along.

=20

The Chinese cars have a huge diversity of products... Good and bad... =
How many make it beyond their borders guven global tensions will be =
interesting.

=20

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On Tuesday, 4 October 2022, GARY WINBLAD <[email-masked] =

David,=20

 The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you want.  Not every =
pole but...=20

They are all over at least out in CA.  It can add 200 miles in only 20 =
minutes and they put them=20

right by restaurants, shopping malls, coffee shops, hotels, etc.  The =
big display on the dash tells you=20

when you need a charge and directs you in.  It gives options and it =
knows if there will be any=20

Unfortunately, that's why the only EV I would consider right now is a =
Tesla...=20

Gary=20

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On 10/03/2022 1:11 PM David Sosna via Tigers <[email-masked] =

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Hey, Ron:

Best Regards

David Sosna

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Ron Fraser

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to modern technology.

all of them.

transportation device!

73,

Gary

better.

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JMHO

Cheers

Jim B

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class=3DMsoNormal>Theo<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thank you for =
your driving experience with an EV; its good to see firsthand =
information.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m still =
curious about an EV=E2=80=99s driving range in the cold of =
winter.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Theo =
Smit<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 04, 2022 11:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
michael king &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> David Sosna =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; David Sosna via Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] The answer =
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r non-EV-interested people, feel free to =
ignore)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I'v=
e had a Polestar 2 as my daily driver since April. Polestar is a joint =
venture between Volvo and Geely (the chinese car maker that is behind a =
bunch of upcoming EV technology).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
 spec range for it is 250 miles (400 km) from a 78 kWh battery. 400 hp =
and all wheel drive make it a pretty quick ride but it's heavier than a =
Tesla model 3. The Polestar uses a standard SAE J1772 charge plug and =
it's actually delivered with an charge cord that has both a 14-50P =
(250V, 50A) plug and a 110V 16A plug adapter. In a pinch, you can plug =
it in at any place that could also accommodate an =
RV.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>A =
couple of weeks ago we drove it to &nbsp;Edmonton. 200 miles at 75 mph =
used up about 70 percent of the battery, and we did that in one shot. As =
it happened, the car dealer across from our hotel had a public 24 kW DC =
charger. That's in the 'fast' category but not nearly as fast as most =
other public chargers, which range from 50 to 350 kW. So we charged it =
for about an hour that afternoon while we were getting set up at the =
hotel, and again for about an hour the next morning while we were having =
breakfast. That put us back at about 75% =
battery.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Whe=
n we started driving back to Calgary, the nav system predicted we'd be =
four percent short and suggested we put in a charging stop. We set off =
without doing that, but (unlike the previous day) our range prediction =
got more gloomy over the first half hour or so, so we decided to hit a =
50 kW charger in Red Deer. A 35 minute stop there (with a coffee break) =
got us 30% more charge and we actually finished the trip with about 35% =
left in the battery. Our net 'extra time' over what we would otherwise =
do was maybe ten minutes max, since we normally already do make a stop =
halfway back for a coffee or =
whatever.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
think in general, EV technology is at a bit of an inflection point right =
now. There are a bunch of new cars coming to market, some from well =
established makers and some from people you've never heard of. For all =
of us that can accommodate a level 2 charger in the garage or carport, =
the cost of electricity makes the operating cost a no brainer. Depending =
on your transportation needs, you might never need a public charger for =
regular commuting.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
re are at least half a dozen charger infrastructure tracking apps that =
will tell you where the public chargers are and whether they are =
currently in use. It's maybe not as slick as the Tesla network but it is =
coming along pretty quickly. Probably the biggest issue is that =
sometimes chargers show up on a map but they are not functional - the =
crowdsourced reviews can help you there. Secondary issue is that a =
charger might be occupied when you get there. Probably not a huge deal =
if it's another EV (although that might delay your trip by half an hour) =
but it sucks when it's someone that's parked their car there just to =
block the charger from being used.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Sin=
ce this is kind of off-topic for the Tiger mailing list, feel free to =
reply direct and not through the list if you think that's more =
appropriate.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Che=
ers,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
o<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><hr=
 size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter id=3Dzwchr></span></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Fro=
m: </span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&qu=
ot;michael king via Tigers&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>To: </b>&quot;Gary&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r><b>Cc: </b>&quot;David Sosna&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">sosnaenergyconsulting@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;, &quot;David Sosna via Tigers&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Sent: </b>Tuesday, October 4, 2022 6:45:29 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: =
[Tigers] The answer to a question that no one =
asked...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Tes=
la have the jump on everyone with infrastructure...which makes owning =
their products easier...<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>As =
for the cars.. The Koreans with the EV range from Hyundai and KIA seem =
to have made big ground on Telsa and if the charging infrastructure =
becomes more generic other brands will come =
along.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
 Chinese cars have a huge diversity of products... Good and bad... How =
many make it beyond their borders guven global tensions will be =
interesting.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br=
>On Tuesday, 4 October 2022, GARY WINBLAD &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
id, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you want.&nbsp; =
Not every pole but... <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
y are all over at least out in CA.&nbsp; It can add 200 miles in only 20 =
minutes and they put them <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>rig=
ht by restaurants, shopping malls, coffee shops, hotels, etc.&nbsp; The =
big display on the dash tells you <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>whe=
n you need a charge and directs you in.&nbsp; It gives options and it =
knows if there will be any <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>wai=
t or anything.&nbsp; Pretty impressive.&nbsp; The future is here. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Unf=
ortunately, that's why the only EV I would consider right now is a =
Tesla... <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Gar=
y <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
10/03/2022 1:11 PM David Sosna via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hey=
, Ron:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I'l=
l qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, so this is =
largely theoretical for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
like the idea of a charger on each phone pole.&nbsp; Seriously.&nbsp; =
Travelling between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone =
pole, whip out my credit card, get information on what that particular =
electricity provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction =
and get a receipt.&nbsp; Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll =
of receipt paper on each phone-pole charger is kept full. </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji",sans-serif;color:black'>&#128521;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Giv=
en that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric =
utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal; =
conventional charging stations would be--in the same future of =
phone-pole chargers--as readily available there as gas stations are =
now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
re's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm guessing =
your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. =
</span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji",sans-serif;color:black'>&#128513;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Bes=
t Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
id Sosna<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep stated =
that there were several different engine sounds in the controller =
including Ferrari and more were being developed.&nbsp;&nbsp; Alright, a =
Prius with Ferrari engine sound.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
think Borla found a niche for those who just can=E2=80=99t be without =
the latest electronic gismo.&nbsp;&nbsp; Borla will make a profit until =
the craze evaporates or a government body says NO more =
please.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>See=
ms to me California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol =
engine by 2035.&nbsp;&nbsp; My 1<sup>st</sup> question would be how many =
of those politicians own an EV now?&nbsp;&nbsp; My guess, =
few.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>IMO=
 the politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the =
consequences.&nbsp;&nbsp; The power grid is not ready, the charging =
stations are not ready, battery technology is better but not totally =
ready for prime time and more important; until the EV range is specified =
for 20 degrees F, I=E2=80=99m not interested.&nbsp;&nbsp; Regional =
Transit here has some EV buses and if it get too cold they can=E2=80=99t =
use them, the range drops too far. &nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow =
country.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>EV =
vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but country folks =
drive longer distances for everything including work.&nbsp;&nbsp; Some =
of those EV=E2=80=99s are going to leave people stranded in the winter =
unless they put a charging station on every telephone =
pole.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Ron=
 Fraser<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid =
#E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><spa=
n =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Fro=
m:</span></strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Tigers <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> =
<strong><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>On Behalf Of =
</span></strong>GARY WINBLAD<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></strong> Monday, =
October 03, 2022 8:18 AM<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>To:</span></strong> Jim B <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>; Jim B via Tigers <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Subject:</span></strong> Re: =
[Tigers] The answer to a question that no one =
asked...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Thi=
s same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just =
don't adapt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>to =
modern technology.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Not=
hing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the power =
grid won't support<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>all=
 of them.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Mos=
t of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry about =
this one.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Mos=
t of my miles now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged =
electricity.&nbsp; All<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>our=
 local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on =
trips, great<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>tra=
nsportation device!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>73,=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Gar=
y<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Oh,=
 I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I could build one =
myself.&nbsp; The<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Pri=
us has the worst worn out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching =
sounder to warm blind<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>ped=
estrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble would =
be so much<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>bet=
ter.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Oka=
y, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid =
gets. I did&nbsp;hear&nbsp;somewhere that&nbsp;=E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D =
people are worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear =
an approaching EV. From experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even =
hears my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without even =
looking. We will probably replace my wife=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an =
EV in the near future. We already have a solar array&nbsp;designed to =
make up for the juice required and I plan to install a level 2 charger =
in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in that car to have to =
look for a charging station. As for us California guys, speaking for =
myself, I think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone&nbsp;before there is =
absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will =
probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I =
have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford =
just to keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the =
norm.&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Wit=
h all that said; I&nbsp;kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can =
see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. =
AND, I have to admit that I&nbsp;clothes pinned&nbsp;playing cards into =
the spokes of my bicycle as a kid!&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>JMH=
O</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Che=
ers</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Jim=
 B</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Jus=
t saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang MachE =
on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend =
TV).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Jus=
t what every&nbsp;EV owner&nbsp;needs... </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><a =
href=3D"https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-elect=
ric-vehicles/" target=3D"_blank">Borla Active Performance Sound for =
Electric Vehicles</a> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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My take.  Agree 100% that all cars are silent now except for their =
tires.  However, I think gas cars do make a little bit more noise when =
starting to pull away from a stop - like in a parking space.  So that =
EVs starting to move can be a surprise.

Toyota has been pushing lately that the 100% EV concept that California =
is pushing is not realistic and that hybrids will be around for a long =
time.  I agree.  We were going to get a Tesla, but now think we=E2=80=99ll=
 probably get a plug in hybrid that has a 35+ mile range.  That will be =
basically 100% EV for us most months.

The other thing I don=E2=80=99t possibly fathom is how the vast majority =
of Los Angeles residents who live in the miles and miles of small =
apartments buildings will charge.  Those buildings don=E2=80=99t have =
parking spaces for all tenants.  Who is going to wire up those =
apartments? =20

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">My =
take. &nbsp;Agree 100% that all cars are silent now except for their =
tires. &nbsp;However, I think gas cars do make a little bit more noise =
when starting to pull away from a stop - like in a parking space. =
&nbsp;So that EVs starting to move can be a surprise.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Toyota has been pushing lately that the =
100% EV concept that California is pushing is not realistic and that =
hybrids will be around for a long time. &nbsp;I agree. &nbsp;We were =
going to get a Tesla, but now think we=E2=80=99ll probably get a plug in =
hybrid that has a 35+ mile range. &nbsp;That will be basically 100% EV =
for us most months.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">The other thing I don=E2=80=99t possibly fathom is how the =
vast majority of Los Angeles residents who live in the miles and miles =
of small apartments buildings will charge. &nbsp;Those buildings don=E2=80=
=99t have parking spaces for all tenants. &nbsp;Who is going to wire up =
those apartments? &nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Oct 2, 2022, at 10:00 PM, Jim B via Tigers =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">Okay, here is my take. My first =
impression is this is as stupid as stupid gets. I =
did&nbsp;hear&nbsp;somewhere that&nbsp;=E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D people are =
worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an =
approaching EV. =46rom experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears =
my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without even looking. =
We will probably replace my wife=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an EV in the =
near future. We already have a solar array&nbsp;designed to make up for =
the juice required and I plan to install a level 2 charger in the =
garage. We almost never travel far enough in that car to have to look =
for a charging station. As for us California guys, speaking for myself, =
I think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone&nbsp;before there is absolutely no =
petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get very =
expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actually =
make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em =
running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the =
norm.&nbsp;</span><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">With all that said; I&nbsp;kinda like the George Jetson sound =
idea! I can see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That =
could be a hoot. AND, I have to admit that I&nbsp;clothes =
pinned&nbsp;playing cards into the spokes of my bicycle as a =
kid!&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">JMHO</span></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
14px;" class=3D"">Cheers</span></div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">Jim B<br class=3D""></span><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a =
Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend =
TV).</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
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class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Just =
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I was actually more interested in the hydrogen/fuel cell concept.  We =
actually live near a filling station.   I pulled in one day to chat with =
owners there to see how ownership really was.  Wow, they were a sorry =
marketing team.  Sure convinced me that it=E2=80=99s not a good way to =
go.  The bad things you read online or watch on YouTube were what they =
all moaned about.  Few stations.  Broken and unreliable stations.  =
Having to regularly use another car.  But they were a hardy crowd who =
seemed to be in for the long haul - even if not with their car.

> On Oct 4, 2022, at 8:06 AM, Theo Smit <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
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> A couple of weeks ago we drove it to  Edmonton. 200 miles at 75 mph =
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> Tesla have the jump on everyone with infrastructure...which makes =
owning their products easier...
>  The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you want.  Not =
every pole but...=20
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> I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole.  Seriously.  =
Travelling between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone =
pole, whip out my credit card, get information on what that particular =
electricity provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction =
and get a receipt.  Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of =
receipt paper on each phone-pole charger is kept full. =F0=9F=98=89
>=20
> There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm =
guessing your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's =
elegant. =F0=9F=98=81
> I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep =
stated that there were several different engine sounds in the controller =
including Ferrari and more were being developed.   Alright, a Prius with =
Ferrari engine sound.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> I think Borla found a niche for those who just can=E2=80=99t be =
without the latest electronic gismo.   Borla will make a profit until =
the craze evaporates or a government body says NO more please.
>=20
>=20
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> Ron Fraser
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> From: Tigers <[email-masked]> =
don't adapt
power grid won't support
about this one.
electricity.  All
>=20
> our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG =
on trips, great
>=20
> transportation device!
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> 73,
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> Gary
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> Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I could =
build one myself.  The
sounder to warm blind
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
was actually more interested in the hydrogen/fuel cell concept. &nbsp;We =
actually live near a filling station. &nbsp; I pulled in one day to chat =
with owners there to see how ownership really was. &nbsp;Wow, they were =
a sorry marketing team. &nbsp;Sure convinced me that it=E2=80=99s not a =
good way to go. &nbsp;The bad things you read online or watch on YouTube =
were what they all moaned about. &nbsp;Few stations. &nbsp;Broken and =
unreliable stations. &nbsp;Having to regularly use another car. =
&nbsp;But they were a hardy crowd who seemed to be in for the long haul =
- even if not with their car.<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Oct =
4, 2022, at 8:06 AM, Theo Smit &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
charset=3D"UTF-8" class=3D""><div style=3D"font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 10pt;" class=3D""><div class=3D"">(for non-EV-interested =
people, feel free to ignore)</div><div class=3D""><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"=
 class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I've had a Polestar 2 as my daily =
driver since April. Polestar is a joint venture between Volvo and Geely =
(the chinese car maker that is behind a bunch of upcoming EV =
technology).</div><div class=3D"">The spec range for it is 250 miles =
(400 km) from a 78 kWh battery. 400 hp and all wheel drive make it a =
pretty quick ride but it's heavier than a Tesla model 3. The Polestar =
uses a standard SAE J1772 charge plug and it's actually delivered with =
an charge cord that has both a 14-50P (250V, 50A) plug and a 110V 16A =
plug adapter. In a pinch, you can plug it in at any place that could =
also accommodate an RV.</div><div class=3D""><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1" =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">A couple of weeks ago we drove it to =
&nbsp;Edmonton. 200 miles at 75 mph used up about 70 percent of the =
battery, and we did that in one shot. As it happened, the car dealer =
across from our hotel had a public 24 kW DC charger. That's in the =
'fast' category but not nearly as fast as most other public chargers, =
which range from 50 to 350 kW. So we charged it for about an hour that =
afternoon while we were getting set up at the hotel, and again for about =
an hour the next morning while we were having breakfast. That put us =
back at about 75% battery.</div><div class=3D""><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1" =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">When we started driving back to =
Calgary, the nav system predicted we'd be four percent short and =
suggested we put in a charging stop. We set off without doing that, but =
(unlike the previous day) our range prediction got more gloomy over the =
first half hour or so, so we decided to hit a 50 kW charger in Red Deer. =
A 35 minute stop there (with a coffee break) got us 30% more charge and =
we actually finished the trip with about 35% left in the battery. Our =
net 'extra time' over what we would otherwise do was maybe ten minutes =
max, since we normally already do make a stop halfway back for a coffee =
or whatever.</div><div class=3D""><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1" =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I think in general, EV technology is at =
a bit of an inflection point right now. There are a bunch of new cars =
coming to market, some from well established makers and some from people =
you've never heard of. For all of us that can accommodate a level 2 =
charger in the garage or carport, the cost of electricity makes the =
operating cost a no brainer. Depending on your transportation needs, you =
might never need a public charger for regular commuting.</div><div =
class=3D"">There are at least half a dozen charger infrastructure =
tracking apps that will tell you where the public chargers are and =
whether they are currently in use. It's maybe not as slick as the Tesla =
network but it is coming along pretty quickly. Probably the biggest =
issue is that sometimes chargers show up on a map but they are not =
functional - the crowdsourced reviews can help you there. Secondary =
issue is that a charger might be occupied when you get there. Probably =
not a huge deal if it's another EV (although that might delay your trip =
by half an hour) but it sucks when it's someone that's parked their car =
there just to block the charger from being used.</div><div class=3D""><br =
data-mce-bogus=3D"1" class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Since this is kind =
of off-topic for the Tiger mailing list, feel free to reply direct and =
not through the list if you think that's more appropriate.</div><div =
class=3D""><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1" class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Cheers,</div><div class=3D"">Theo</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><hr id=3D"zwchr" data-marker=3D"__DIVIDER__" =
class=3D""><div data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">From:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>"michael king via =
Tigers" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">To:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>"Gary" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>"David Sosna" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;, "David Sosna via =
Tigers" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Tuesday, October 4, =
2022 6:45:29 AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Re: [Tigers] The answer =
to a question that no one asked...<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TEXT__" class=3D"">Tesla =
have the jump on everyone with infrastructure...which makes owning their =
products easier...<br class=3D""><div class=3D"">As for the cars.. The =
Koreans with the EV range from Hyundai and KIA seem to have made big =
ground on Telsa and if the charging infrastructure becomes more generic =
other brands will come along.</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">The =
Chinese cars have a huge diversity of products... Good and bad... How =
many make it beyond their borders guven global tensions will be =
interesting.</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">On Tuesday, 4 October 2022, GARY WINBLAD =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><u =
class=3D""></u><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">David,<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp;The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you =
want.&nbsp; Not every pole but...<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">They are all over at least out in CA.&nbsp; It can add 200 =
miles in only 20 minutes and they put them<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">right by restaurants, shopping malls, coffee shops, hotels, =
etc.&nbsp; The big display on the dash tells you<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">when you need a charge and directs you in.&nbsp; It gives =
options and it knows if there will be any<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">wait or anything.&nbsp; Pretty impressive.&nbsp; The future =
is here.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Unfortunately, that's why the only EV I =
would consider right now is a Tesla...<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Gary<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><blockquote =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 10/03/2022 1:11 PM David Sosna via Tigers =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><p class=3D"">Hey, =
Ron:</p><p class=3D"">I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't =
have an EV, so this is largely theoretical for me.</p><p class=3D"">I =
like the idea of a charger on each phone pole.&nbsp; Seriously.&nbsp; =
Travelling between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone =
pole, whip out my credit card, get information on what that particular =
electricity provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction =
and get a receipt.&nbsp; Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll =
of receipt paper on each phone-pole charger is kept full. =F0=9F=98=89</p>=
<p class=3D"">Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone =
and electric utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem =
like a big deal; conventional charging stations would be--in the same =
future of phone-pole chargers--as readily available there as gas =
stations are now.<br class=3D""></p><p class=3D"">There's probably a lot =
of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm guessing your suggestion was =
tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. =F0=9F=98=81</p><p =
class=3D"">Best Regards</p><p class=3D"">David Sosna</p><p class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></p><div class=3D"">On 10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D""><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me =
the Borla rep stated that there were several different engine sounds in =
the controller including Ferrari and more were being =
developed.&nbsp;&nbsp; Alright, a Prius with Ferrari engine sound.</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think =
Borla found a niche for those who just can=E2=80=99t be without the =
latest electronic gismo.&nbsp;&nbsp; Borla will make a profit until the =
craze evaporates or a government body says NO more please.</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Seems to =
me California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol engine =
by 2035.&nbsp;&nbsp; My 1<sup class=3D"">st</sup><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>question would be how many =
of those politicians own an EV now?&nbsp;&nbsp; My guess, few.</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">IMO the =
politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the =
consequences.&nbsp;&nbsp; The power grid is not ready, the charging =
stations are not ready, battery technology is better but not totally =
ready for prime time and more important; until the EV range is specified =
for 20 degrees F, I=E2=80=99m not interested.&nbsp;&nbsp; Regional =
Transit here has some EV buses and if it get too cold they can=E2=80=99t =
use them, the range drops too far. &nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I would =
only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow country.</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">EV =
vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but country folks =
drive longer distances for everything including work.&nbsp;&nbsp; Some =
of those EV=E2=80=99s are going to leave people stranded in the winter =
unless they put a charging station on every telephone pole.</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron =
Fraser</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; =
border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=3D""><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong class=3D"">From:</strong><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Tigers<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" =
class=3D"">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><strong class=3D"">On =
Behalf Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></strong>GARY =
WINBLAD<br class=3D""><strong class=3D"">Sent:</strong><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Monday, October 03, 2022 =
8:18 AM<br class=3D""><strong class=3D"">To:</strong><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Jim B<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer" class=3D"">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>; Jim B via =
Tigers<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer" class=3D"">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br =
class=3D""><strong class=3D"">Subject:</strong><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Tigers] The answer to =
a question that no one asked...</p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br =
class=3D""></p><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">This same thing =
happened when horses became obsolete, some people just don't =
adapt</p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">to modern =
technology.</p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Nothing =
wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the power grid =
won't support</p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">all of =
them.</p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Most of us Tiger =
guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry about this =
one.</p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Most of my miles =
now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged electricity.&nbsp; =
All</p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">our local trips can =
be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on trips, =
great</p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">transportation =
device!</p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">73,</p></div><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Gary</p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking =
of how I could build one myself.&nbsp; The</p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of =
scraping, screeching sounder to warm blind</p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with =
that, a V8 burble would be so much</p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">better.</p></div><blockquote class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p></div><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;" class=3D"">Okay, =
here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid =
gets. I did&nbsp;hear&nbsp;somewhere that&nbsp;=E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D =
people are worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear =
an approaching EV. =46rom experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even =
hears my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without even =
looking. We will probably replace my wife=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an =
EV in the near future. We already have a solar array&nbsp;designed to =
make up for the juice required and I plan to install a level 2 charger =
in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in that car to have to =
look for a charging station. As for us California guys, speaking for =
myself, I think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone&nbsp;before there is =
absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will =
probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I =
have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford =
just to keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the =
norm.&nbsp;</span></p><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;" class=3D"">With all that said; I&nbsp;kinda =
like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV drivers gettin creative =
with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have to admit that =
I&nbsp;clothes pinned&nbsp;playing cards into the spokes of my bicycle =
as a kid!&nbsp;</span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;" =
class=3D"">JMHO</span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;" =
class=3D"">Cheers</span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;" class=3D"">Jim =
B</span></p><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></p><blockquote class=3D""><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow=
 noopener noreferrer" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just saw (this =
weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang MachE on an episode =
of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).</p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br =
class=3D""></p><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On =
Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote =
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class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">Just =
what every&nbsp;EV owner&nbsp;needs...<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></p></div><div =
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href=3D"https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electr=
ic-vehicles/" rel=3D"noopener nofollow noopener noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric =
Vehicles</a></span></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
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Toyota put a lot of money into hybrids, no wonder they want them to survive=
.
We are real happy with the Prius Prime.  Spec electric range is 25 but we a=
lways get over 30
and we are in the hills.  On the flat and at slower speeds I am sure 35 is =
possible.  We don't
drive much since we are retired but are up to 12K miles  and it is at 163MP=
G.   It gets about
70MPG when we use gas on trips driving 65MPH or so.
Our last regular 2010
Prius had 140K miles and the only problem was the 12V battery went bad.  It=
 always got over
50MPG.
There is a calculator on the Tesla web site to show you how much money you =
can save by
buying a Tesla.  At 163MPG it says zero..  and the Tesla costs probably 3 t=
imes what we paid
(we did get a fantastic deal, $6K off sticker at the end of 2020).

Its good to hear Theo has an electric, and good to hear it is beating its r=
ange spec.

We have to save gas and money for the Tigers!
Gary

>     On 10/04/2022 7:26 PM Jay <[email-masked]> wrote:
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>     My take.  Agree 100% that all cars are silent now except for their ti=
res.  However, I think gas cars do make a little bit more noise when starti=
ng to pull away from a stop - like in a parking space.  So that EVs startin=
g to move can be a surprise.
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>     Toyota has been pushing lately that the 100% EV concept that Californ=
ia is pushing is not realistic and that hybrids will be around for a long t=
ime.  I agree.  We were going to get a Tesla, but now think we=E2=80=99ll p=
robably get a plug in hybrid that has a 35+ mile range.  That will be basic=
ally 100% EV for us most months.
>=20
>     The other thing I don=E2=80=99t possibly fathom is how the vast major=
ity of Los Angeles residents who live in the miles and miles of small apart=
ments buildings will charge.  Those buildings don=E2=80=99t have parking sp=
aces for all tenants.  Who is going to wire up those apartments? =20
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>         > >         On Oct 2, 2022, at 10:00 PM, Jim B via Tigers <tigers=
@autox.team.net mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
> >=20
> >         Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid=
 as stupid gets. I did hear somewhere that =E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D people ar=
e worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an approachi=
ng EV. From experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many=
 people step into traffic around here without even looking. We will probabl=
y replace my wife=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We a=
lready have a solar array designed to make up for the juice required and I =
plan to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far=
 enough in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us Calif=
ornia guys, speaking for myself, I think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone before t=
here is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will pr=
obably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have =
to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to=
 keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm.=20
> >         With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! =
I can see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a ho=
ot. AND, I have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spoke=
s of my bicycle as a kid!=20
> >         JMHO
> >         Cheers
> >         Jim B
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> >             > > >             On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiv=
er <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
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> > >             Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on=
 a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).
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> > >             On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <[email-masked] mai=
lto:[email-masked] > wrote:
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> > >                 > > > >                 Just what every EV owner need=
s...
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   Toyota put a lot of money into hybrids, no wonder they want them to surv=
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but we always get over 30
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   and we are in the hills.&nbsp; On the flat and at slower speeds I am sur=
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   drive much since we are retired but are up to 12K miles&nbsp; and it is =
at 163MPG.&nbsp;&nbsp; It gets about
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   70MPG when we use gas on trips driving 65MPH or so.
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   Our last regular 2010
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   Prius had 140K miles and the only problem was the 12V battery went bad.&=
nbsp; It always got over
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   50MPG.
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   There is a calculator on the Tesla web site to show you how much money y=
ou can save by
   <br>
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   buying a Tesla.&nbsp; At 163MPG it says zero..&nbsp; and the Tesla costs=
 probably 3 times what we paid
   <br>
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   (we did get a fantastic deal, $6K off sticker at the end of 2020).
   <br>
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   <br>
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   Its good to hear Theo has an electric, and good to hear it is beating it=
s range spec.
   <br>
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   <br>
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   We have to save gas and money for the Tigers!
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   Gary
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   </div>My take. &nbsp;Agree 100% that all cars are silent now except for =
their tires. &nbsp;However, I think gas cars do make a little bit more nois=
e when starting to pull away from a stop - like in a parking space. &nbsp;S=
o that EVs starting to move can be a surprise.
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    Toyota has been pushing lately that the 100% EV concept that California=
 is pushing is not realistic and that hybrids will be around for a long tim=
e. &nbsp;I agree. &nbsp;We were going to get a Tesla, but now think we=E2=
=80=99ll probably get a plug in hybrid that has a 35+ mile range. &nbsp;Tha=
t will be basically 100% EV for us most months.
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    The other thing I don=E2=80=99t possibly fathom is how the vast majorit=
y of Los Angeles residents who live in the miles and miles of small apartme=
nts buildings will charge. &nbsp;Those buildings don=E2=80=99t have parking=
 spaces for all tenants. &nbsp;Who is going to wire up those apartments? &n=
bsp;
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pace; line-break: after-white-space;">
        <span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 14px;">Okay, here is my take. =
My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did&nbsp;hear&nb=
sp;somewhere that&nbsp;=E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D people are worried about deaf=
 and/or blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. From experien=
ce, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step into tr=
affic around here without even looking. We will probably replace my wife=E2=
=80=99s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already have a solar =
array&nbsp;designed to make up for the juice required and I plan to install=
 a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in that=
 car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California guys, spe=
aking for myself, I think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone&nbsp;before there is ab=
solutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get=
 very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actuall=
y make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em r=
unning right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm.&nbsp;</span>
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         <span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 14px;">With all that said; I&=
nbsp;kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV drivers gettin c=
reative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have to admit that=
 I&nbsp;clothes pinned&nbsp;playing cards into the spokes of my bicycle as =
a kid!&nbsp;</span>
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                 <a class=3D"" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.borla.=
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