Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 245

From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 15:53:21 +0000 (UTC)

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 I bought my Tiger in 1979 with bias ply ply tires on 13 inch rims and ran =
it that way for 10 years.=C2=A0 The car was slick in every scenario but one=
.=C2=A0 On the street it was best to steer with the accelerator pedal but I=
 was embarrassed=C2=A0 more than once not doing so.=C2=A0 Busy intersection=
 making a normal left or right hand turn on 4 lane roads after waiting on l=
ight, the rear end would just swing around and I would be pointing the wron=
g way in the middle of the highway.=C2=A0 Cars would start honking, hands w=
aving, no middle fingers, basically just laughing.=C2=A0 I would throw up m=
y hands in surrender and then in a swirl of smoke and rubber head off down =
the road.
The only time that these bias ply tires seemed to be any benefit was when d=
rag racing on the beach.=C2=A0 Uncap the CAT 3" cutouts on their headers, l=
et a bunch of air out of the tires, wave money and take on all comers befor=
e the bands started on the beach and the serious drinking began.=C2=A0 Bias=
 ply tires seemed to work then.
Now 15" LAT 70 wheels with good radial rubber, it is a different car to dri=
ve and much more enjoyable without the 180 degree rear end swinging around.
Different times, different tires, some things do get better with age.
Joel Martin

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=C2=A0 1. Re: Radial versus bias ply (Dan Cordray)
 To answer your basic question ("What was it like..."), in 1966 I was given=
 a used (but still good) set of Michelin X tires (remember them?). I instal=
led these in place of the original equipment Dunlop SP tires (1965 Mk1). I =
was amazed at the difference these made in the overall enjoyment of the car=
. Handled better; rode better; better mileage; etc. etc. It was a revelatio=
n to a person who was still very early in his automotive journey.
Dan Cordray

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Subject: [Tigers] Radial versus bias ply=C2=A0I know it=E2=80=99s been a lo=
ng time ago, but does anybody remember the difference between switching fro=
m bias ply to radial tires? It=E2=80=99s pretty much an academic question I=
 know, because everybody=E2=80=99s running radials, but I was wondering wha=
t it was like to drive a Sunbeam Tiger or Alpine on bias ply tires.
Jim Armstrong

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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I bought my Tiger in 1979 wi=
th bias ply ply tires on 13 inch rims and ran it that way for 10 years.&nbs=
p; The car was slick in every scenario but one.&nbsp; On the street it was =
best to steer with the accelerator pedal but I was embarrassed&nbsp; more t=
han once not doing so.&nbsp; Busy intersection making a normal left or righ=
t hand turn on 4 lane roads after waiting on light, the rear end would just=
 swing around and I would be pointing the wrong way in the middle of the hi=
ghway.&nbsp; Cars would start honking, hands waving, no middle fingers, bas=
ically just laughing.&nbsp; I would throw up my hands in surrender and then=
 in a swirl of smoke and rubber head off down the road.</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">T=
he only time that these bias ply tires seemed to be any benefit was when dr=
ag racing on the beach.&nbsp; Uncap the CAT 3" cutouts on their headers, le=
t a bunch of air out of the tires, wave money and take on all comers before=
 the bands started on the beach and the serious drinking began.&nbsp; Bias =
ply tires seemed to work then.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Now 15" LAT 70 wheels with=
 good radial rubber, it is a different car to drive and much more enjoyable=
 without the 180 degree rear end swinging around.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" dat=
a-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Differe=
nt times, different tires, some things do get better with age.</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"f=
alse">Joel Martin<br></div><div><br></div>
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To answer your basic question ("What was it like..."), in 1966 I was given =
a used (but still good) set of Michelin X tires (remember them?). I install=
ed these in place of the original equipment Dunlop SP tires (1965 Mk1). I w=
as amazed at the difference these
 made in the overall enjoyment of the car. Handled better; rode better; bet=
ter mileage; etc. etc. It was a revelation to a person who was still very e=
arly in his automotive journey.</div>
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<div class=3D"ydpd651e91byiv3663922648PlainText">I know it=E2=80=99s been a=
 long time ago, but does anybody remember the difference between switching =
from bias ply to radial tires? It=E2=80=99s pretty much an academic questio=
n I know, because everybody=E2=80=99s running radials, but I was wondering =
what it
 was like to drive a Sunbeam Tiger or Alpine on bias ply tires.<br>
Jim Armstrong<br>
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