Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 218

From: JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 14:14:57 -0400

Hello
I met a Canadian guy, I believe from Québec at the 2000 TEAE United in Rockland Maine. He said he was fabricating Lower fan shrouds.  I stayed in touch, bought the device, had it installed on the Tiger and it works quite nicely.
My engine is a rebuilt 260 with a comp cam, Edelbrock F4B, PerTronics, and that’s it. A mild upgrade but the lower fan shroud does help. For really really hot days, I’ve got a Kenlow pusher fan and with everything I have no trouble

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> From: Owain Lloyd <[email-masked]>
> To: Buck Trippel <[email-masked]>
> Cc: "Dr. T. Y. McDowell" <[email-masked]>, "Tiger's List"
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> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling
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> Yep.  I run in most cars with no problems but in the tiger with the 500hp
> motor I needed every bit of efficiency possible so had to switch off even
> back to water and antifreeze.  It worked sort of ok with the dale radiator
> but then I switched to another brand radiator and it just couldn?t keep the
> temps down.   Pretty sure it would be doable with an efficient and lower
> power motor if all the other cooling problems were taken care of.
> 
> Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 Buck Trippel via Tigers <
> [email-masked]> ha scritto:
> 
>> In August of the hot summer of 2019 (aren?t they all hot now?) I put Evans
>> in a Tiger which has an excellent two row aluminum radiator in front of a
>> rather stock 289. My wife and I put the Tiger through an almost 5-thousand
>> mile road test by driving from Los Angeles to La Crosse via I80/I90 to
>> attend the TEAE United and then Route 66 on the way home. Temperatures were
>> frequently at 100 degrees. So it got quite a test.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Evans did not boil but with hot outside air temperatures its inferior
>> specific heat (to water) could not remove adequately remove the engine
>> heat.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The carb got so hot the fuel percolated (boiled) inside the bowls and the
>> engine stalled lean. This weakness was exacerbated at altitudes above
>> 4-thousand feet. In Pueblo, with OATs near 100 I ended up on the same AAA
>> tow truck twice on the same day. I then gave up and reluctantly drained
>> maybe half of the the costly coolant out, replacing it with plain water so
>> I could get home. However the percolation reoccurred crossing the Mojave in
>> the 115 degree August temps. At home I replaced the Evans with water,
>> adding Water Wetter for corrosion protection.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I don?t have the numbers off the top of my head but the specific heat (or
>> ability to transfer heat) of water is 1.00 while Evans is something like
>> .65 or only 2/3 that of water. For me, Evans just did not do the job. From
>> my experience I?d say one would have to be exceptionally brave to use it,
>> especially with a stock radiator system or with a more powerful engine
>> which will place even more demand on the Tiger?s weak cooling system. (BTW
>> in the Tiger we drove on that trip, we had removed the stock block under
>> the carb that hot radiator fluid passes through which probably have made
>> even more of a problem.)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Buck Trippel
>> 
>> Ps I wrote up some of this years ago and I believe it contained a more
>> detailed account of Evans heating issues on the trip ? I think it was
>> published in both the TEAE and CAT newletters.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Dr. T. Y.
>> McDowell
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 2, 2022 5:06 AM
>> *To:* Tiger's List <[email-masked]>
>> *Subject:* [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Is anyone out there in Tigerland using Evans Waterless Coolant?
>> 
>> It has a boiling point of 375 (F).  I'd like to hear from anyone who's
>> using it as I'm considering it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tym McDowell
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> Another issue is aluminum versus brass radiators.  Aluminum radiators are lighter but  brass transfers heat more efficiently.
> 
> 
> When I redid my tiger, I used a three row versus a stock two row brass retaining the top, bottom, and sides so that the fit was not affected.
> 
> Also if you're replacing or having overheating problems, a closed impeller type water pump is much more efficient. Some aftermarket companies sell them already set up this way, but you can buy just the impeller plate from Summit for a very low price and install it yourself. Pumping efficiency is greatly improved.
> 
> TEAE 
> did a study many years ago on all aspects of cooling. This excellent engineering study is still applicable today and well worth reading, dispelling a lot of myths.
> 
> 
> Another design problem with the tiger is that there is no lower portion of the fan shroud. As a result, hot air is removed from the radiator then goes down to the ground and circles back through the front of the radiator, at rest.
> 
> 
> I know this for a fact since I did smoke test and watched the air recirculating.
> 
> I fabricated a lower fan shroud from sheet metal, and made a low cost plastic air dam that comes down about 4 inches, to help
> the flow of air through the radiator and continue towards the rear of the car while in motion.
> 
> Bottom line it all works and I don't overheat.
> 
> I have to laugh at the commentos who keeps saying that the V8 takes up so much space that that's why they overheat. Just look at today's cars and how they fill the engine bay and it becomes apparent this is another myth.
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2022, at 10:29 AM, Owain Lloyd <[email-masked]> wrote:
>> 
>> Yep.  I run in most cars with no problems but in the tiger with the 500hp motor I needed every bit of efficiency possible so had to switch off even back to water and antifreeze.  It worked sort of ok with the dale radiator but then I switched to another brand radiator and it just couldn?t keep the temps down.   Pretty sure it would be doable with an efficient and lower power motor if all the other cooling problems were taken care of.
>> 
>> Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 Buck Trippel via Tigers <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>> ha scritto:
>> In August of the hot summer of 2019 (aren?t they all hot now?) I put Evans in a Tiger which has an excellent two row aluminum radiator in front of a rather stock 289. My wife and I put the Tiger through an almost 5-thousand mile road test by driving from Los Angeles to La Crosse via I80/I90 to attend the TEAE United and then Route 66 on the way home. Temperatures were frequently at 100 degrees. So it got quite a test.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Evans did not boil but with hot outside air temperatures its inferior specific heat (to water) could not remove adequately remove the engine heat. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The carb got so hot the fuel percolated (boiled) inside the bowls and the engine stalled lean. This weakness was exacerbated at altitudes above 4-thousand feet. In Pueblo, with OATs near 100 I ended up on the same AAA tow truck twice on the same day. I then gave up and reluctantly drained maybe half of the the costly coolant out, replacing it with plain water so I could get home. However the percolation reoccurred crossing the Mojave in the 115 degree August temps. At home I replaced the Evans with water, adding Water Wetter for corrosion protection. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I don?t have the numbers off the top of my head but the specific heat (or ability to transfer heat) of water is 1.00 while Evans is something like .65 or only 2/3 that of water. For me, Evans just did not do the job. From my experience I?d say one would have to be exceptionally brave to use it, especially with a stock radiator system or with a more powerful engine which will place even more demand on the Tiger?s weak cooling system. (BTW in the Tiger we drove on that trip, we had removed the stock block under the carb that hot radiator fluid passes through which probably have made even more of a problem.)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Buck Trippel
>> 
>> Ps I wrote up some of this years ago and I believe it contained a more detailed account of Evans heating issues on the trip ? I think it was published in both the TEAE and CAT newletters.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Tigers <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>> On Behalf Of Dr. T. Y. McDowell
>> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 5:06 AM
>> To: Tiger's List <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>
>> Subject: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Is anyone out there in Tigerland using Evans Waterless Coolant? 
>> 
>> It has a boiling point of 375 (F).  I'd like to hear from anyone who's using it as I'm considering it. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance, 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tym McDowell 
>> 
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From: Allan Ballard <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 16:09:45 -0400

I would be interested in a lower fan shroud, if anybody is fabricating them.

I am using a stock radiator with a 5 bolt 289.

-Allan Ballard
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Here is a pic of a lower shroud I bought years ago. Never put it on. Not rea=
lly sure how it is suppose to fit. I assume you attach to existing shroud so=
mehow.=20

Jim L

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> My engine is a rebuilt 260 with a comp cam, Edelbrock F4B, PerTronics, and=
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er type water pump is much more efficient. Some aftermarket companies sell t=
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> > Another design problem with the tiger is that there is no lower portion o=
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ans in a Tiger which has an excellent two row aluminum radiator in front of a=
 rather stock 289. My wife and I put the Tiger through an almost 5-thousand m=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Jim<div><br></div><div>Here is a pic of a l=
ower shroud I bought years ago. Never put it on. Not really sure how it is s=
uppose to fit. I assume you attach to existing shroud somehow.&nbsp;</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Jim L</div><div><br></div><div><img alt=3D"image0.jpeg" sr=
c=3D"cid:1D30D39F-49D2-4820-BCB0-245436DDA831"><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent=
 from my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 2, 2=
022, at 5:42 PM, Jim D'Amelio via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote=
:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=
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<div dir=3D"auto">James,&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">Would you happen to have any pictures of the lower shroud?</div>=
<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Jim D</div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div id=3D"=
composer_signature" dir=3D"auto"><div style=3D"font-size:12px;color:#575757"=
 dir=3D"auto">Sent from my Galaxy</div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><di=
v><br></div><div align=3D"left" dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-size:100%;color:#=
000000"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: JAMES ARMSTR=
ONG via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; </div><div>Date: 7/2/22  3:14 P=
M  (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: [email-masked] </div><div>Subject: Re: [=
Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 218 </div><div><br></div></div>Hello<br=
>I met a Canadian guy, I believe from Qu=C3=A9bec at the 2000 TEAE United in=
 Rockland Maine. He said he was fabricating Lower fan shrouds.&nbsp; I staye=
d in touch, bought the device, had it installed on the Tiger and it works qu=
ite nicely.<br>My engine is a rebuilt 260 with a comp cam, Edelbrock F4B, Pe=
rTronics, and that=E2=80=99s it. A mild upgrade but the lower fan shroud doe=
s help. For really really hot days, I=E2=80=99ve got a Kenlow pusher fan and=
 with everything I have no trouble<br><br><br><br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br=
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--<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Message: 1<br>&gt; Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 16:29:17 +0200<=
br>&gt; From: Owain Lloyd &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>&gt; To: Buck Tri=
ppel &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>&gt; Cc: "Dr. T. Y. McDowell" &lt;ty=
[email-masked]&gt;, "Tiger's List"<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;tigers@auto=
x.team.net&gt;<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling<br>&gt;=
 Message-ID:<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;CANE47iQLDVr=3DD_km8HR0ofZyQCG2so=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; ch=
arset=3D"utf-8"<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Yep.&nbsp; I run in most cars with no probl=
ems but in the tiger with the 500hp<br>&gt; motor I needed every bit of effi=
ciency possible so had to switch off even<br>&gt; back to water and antifree=
ze.&nbsp; It worked sort of ok with the dale radiator<br>&gt; but then I swi=
tched to another brand radiator and it just couldn?t keep the<br>&gt; temps d=
own.&nbsp;&nbsp; Pretty sure it would be doable with an efficient and lower<=
br>&gt; power motor if all the other cooling problems were taken care of.<br=
>&gt; <br>&gt; Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 Buck Trippel via Tigers &=
lt;<br>&gt; [email-masked]&gt; ha scritto:<br>&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; In Au=
gust of the hot summer of 2019 (aren?t they all hot now?) I put Evans<br>&gt=
;&gt; in a Tiger which has an excellent two row aluminum radiator in front o=
f a<br>&gt;&gt; rather stock 289. My wife and I put the Tiger through an alm=
ost 5-thousand<br>&gt;&gt; mile road test by driving from Los Angeles to La C=
rosse via I80/I90 to<br>&gt;&gt; attend the TEAE United and then Route 66 on=
 the way home. Temperatures were<br>&gt;&gt; frequently at 100 degrees. So i=
t got quite a test.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; The E=
vans did not boil but with hot outside air temperatures its inferior<br>&gt;=
&gt; specific heat (to water) could not remove adequately remove the engine<=
br>&gt;&gt; heat.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; The car=
b got so hot the fuel percolated (boiled) inside the bowls and the<br>&gt;&g=
t; engine stalled lean. This weakness was exacerbated at altitudes above<br>=
&gt;&gt; 4-thousand feet. In Pueblo, with OATs near 100 I ended up on the sa=
me AAA<br>&gt;&gt; tow truck twice on the same day. I then gave up and reluc=
tantly drained<br>&gt;&gt; maybe half of the the costly coolant out, replaci=
ng it with plain water so<br>&gt;&gt; I could get home. However the percolat=
ion reoccurred crossing the Mojave in<br>&gt;&gt; the 115 degree August temp=
s. At home I replaced the Evans with water,<br>&gt;&gt; adding Water Wetter f=
or corrosion protection.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; I=
 don?t have the numbers off the top of my head but the specific heat (or<br>=
&gt;&gt; ability to transfer heat) of water is 1.00 while Evans is something=
 like<br>&gt;&gt; .65 or only 2/3 that of water. For me, Evans just did not d=
o the job. From<br>&gt;&gt; my experience I?d say one would have to be excep=
tionally brave to use it,<br>&gt;&gt; especially with a stock radiator syste=
m or with a more powerful engine<br>&gt;&gt; which will place even more dema=
nd on the Tiger?s weak cooling system. (BTW<br>&gt;&gt; in the Tiger we drov=
e on that trip, we had removed the stock block under<br>&gt;&gt; the carb th=
at hot radiator fluid passes through which probably have made<br>&gt;&gt; ev=
en more of a problem.)<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Bu=
ck Trippel<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Ps I wrote up some of this years ago and=
 I believe it contained a more<br>&gt;&gt; detailed account of Evans heating=
 issues on the trip ? I think it was<br>&gt;&gt; published in both the TEAE a=
nd CAT newletters.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&g=
t;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; *From:* Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; *On=
 Behalf Of *Dr. T. Y.<br>&gt;&gt; McDowell<br>&gt;&gt; *Sent:* Saturday, Jul=
y 2, 2022 5:06 AM<br>&gt;&gt; *To:* Tiger's List &lt;[email-masked]&g=
t;<br>&gt;&gt; *Subject:* [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&=
gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Is anyone out there in Tigerland using Eva=
ns Waterless Coolant?<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; It has a boiling point of 375=
 (F).&nbsp; I'd like to hear from anyone who's<br>&gt;&gt; using it as I'm c=
onsidering it.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Thanks in a=
dvance,<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Tym McDowell<br>&=
gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;=
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ARRY PAULICK &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>&gt; To: [email-masked]=
<br>&gt; Cc: Buck Trippel &lt;[email-masked]&gt;, "[email-masked]=
m.net"<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>&gt; Subje=
ct: Re: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling<br>&gt; Message-ID: &lt;8EE82D37-2D=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; c=
harset=3D"utf-8"<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Another issue is aluminum versus brass rad=
iators.&nbsp; Aluminum radiators are lighter but&nbsp; brass transfers heat m=
ore efficiently.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; When I redid my tiger, I used a t=
hree row versus a stock two row brass retaining the top, bottom, and sides s=
o that the fit was not affected.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Also if you're replacing o=
r having overheating problems, a closed impeller type water pump is much mor=
e efficient. Some aftermarket companies sell them already set up this way, b=
ut you can buy just the impeller plate from Summit for a very low price and i=
nstall it yourself. Pumping efficiency is greatly improved.<br>&gt; <br>&gt;=
 TEAE <br>&gt; did a study many years ago on all aspects of cooling. This ex=
cellent engineering study is still applicable today and well worth reading, d=
ispelling a lot of myths.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Another design problem w=
ith the tiger is that there is no lower portion of the fan shroud. As a resu=
lt, hot air is removed from the radiator then goes down to the ground and ci=
rcles back through the front of the radiator, at rest.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>=
&gt; I know this for a fact since I did smoke test and watched the air recir=
culating.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I fabricated a lower fan shroud from sheet metal,=
 and made a low cost plastic air dam that comes down about 4 inches, to help=
<br>&gt; the flow of air through the radiator and continue towards the rear o=
f the car while in motion.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Bottom line it all works and I d=
on't overheat.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I have to laugh at the commentos who keeps s=
aying that the V8 takes up so much space that that's why they overheat. Just=
 look at today's cars and how they fill the engine bay and it becomes appare=
nt this is another myth.<br>&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; On Jul 2, 2022, at 10:29 AM, O=
wain Lloyd &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Yep=
.&nbsp; I run in most cars with no problems but in the tiger with the 500hp m=
otor I needed every bit of efficiency possible so had to switch off even bac=
k to water and antifreeze.&nbsp; It worked sort of ok with the dale radiator=
 but then I switched to another brand radiator and it just couldn?t keep the=
 temps down.&nbsp;&nbsp; Pretty sure it would be doable with an efficient an=
d lower power motor if all the other cooling problems were taken care of.<br=
>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 Buck Trippel via T=
igers &lt;[email-masked] &lt;mailto:[email-masked]&gt;&gt; ha s=
critto:<br>&gt;&gt; In August of the hot summer of 2019 (aren?t they all hot=
 now?) I put Evans in a Tiger which has an excellent two row aluminum radiat=
or in front of a rather stock 289. My wife and I put the Tiger through an al=
most 5-thousand mile road test by driving from Los Angeles to La Crosse via I=
80/I90 to attend the TEAE United and then Route 66 on the way home. Temperat=
ures were frequently at 100 degrees. So it got quite a test.<br>&gt;&gt; <br=
>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; The Evans did not boil but with hot outs=
ide air temperatures its inferior specific heat (to water) could not remove a=
dequately remove the engine heat. <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br=
>&gt;&gt; The carb got so hot the fuel percolated (boiled) inside the bowls a=
nd the engine stalled lean. This weakness was exacerbated at altitudes above=
 4-thousand feet. In Pueblo, with OATs near 100 I ended up on the same AAA t=
ow truck twice on the same day. I then gave up and reluctantly drained maybe=
 half of the the costly coolant out, replacing it with plain water so I coul=
d get home. However the percolation reoccurred crossing the Mojave in the 11=
5 degree August temps. At home I replaced the Evans with water, adding Water=
 Wetter for corrosion protection. <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br=
>&gt;&gt; I don?t have the numbers off the top of my head but the specific h=
eat (or ability to transfer heat) of water is 1.00 while Evans is something l=
ike .65 or only 2/3 that of water. For me, Evans just did not do the job. =46rom=
 my experience I?d say one would have to be exceptionally brave to use it, e=
specially with a stock radiator system or with a more powerful engine which w=
ill place even more demand on the Tiger?s weak cooling system. (BTW in the T=
iger we drove on that trip, we had removed the stock block under the carb th=
at hot radiator fluid passes through which probably have made even more of a=
 problem.)<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Buck Trippel<b=
r>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Ps I wrote up some of this years ago and I believe i=
t contained a more detailed account of Evans heating issues on the trip ? I t=
hink it was published in both the TEAE and CAT newletters.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&=
gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; From: Tigers &lt=
;[email-masked] &lt;mailto:[email-masked]&gt;&=
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 5:06 AM<br>&gt;&gt; To: Tiger's List &lt;[email-masked] &lt;mailto:t=
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ooling<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Is anyone out ther=
e in Tigerland using Evans Waterless Coolant? <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; It h=
as a boiling point of 375 (F).&nbsp; I'd like to hear from anyone who's usin=
g it as I'm considering it. <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&=
gt; Thanks in advance, <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; T=
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The lower shrouds are made by Denis at [email-masked].

On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 4:50 PM Jim D'Amelio via Tigers <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> James,
> I met a Canadian guy, I believe from Qu=C3=A9bec at the 2000 TEAE United =
in
> Rockland Maine. He said he was fabricating Lower fan shrouds.  I stayed i=
n
> touch, bought the device, had it installed on the Tiger and it works quit=
e
> nicely.
> My engine is a rebuilt 260 with a comp cam, Edelbrock F4B, PerTronics, an=
d
> that=E2=80=99s it. A mild upgrade but the lower fan shroud does help. For=
 really
> really hot days, I=E2=80=99ve got a Kenlow pusher fan and with everything=
 I have no
> trouble
> >    <CANE47iQLDVr=[email-masked]=
m>
> > Yep.  I run in most cars with no problems but in the tiger with the 500=
hp
> > motor I needed every bit of efficiency possible so had to switch off ev=
en
> > temps down.   Pretty sure it would be doable with an efficient and lowe=
r
> >> in a Tiger which has an excellent two row aluminum radiator in front o=
f
> >> tow truck twice on the same day. I then gave up and reluctantly draine=
d
> >> maybe half of the the costly coolant out, replacing it with plain wate=
r
> >> ability to transfer heat) of water is 1.00 while Evans is something li=
ke
> >> in the Tiger we drove on that trip, we had removed the stock block und=
er
> >> the carb that hot radiator fluid passes through which probably have ma=
de
> >> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Dr. T. Y=
.
> > URL: <
> http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20220702/fd9385ca/atta=
chment-0001.htm
> > Another issue is aluminum versus brass radiators.  Aluminum radiators
> are lighter but  brass transfers heat more efficiently.
> >
> >
> > When I redid my tiger, I used a three row versus a stock two row brass
> retaining the top, bottom, and sides so that the fit was not affected.
> >
> > Also if you're replacing or having overheating problems, a closed
> impeller type water pump is much more efficient. Some aftermarket compani=
es
> sell them already set up this way, but you can buy just the impeller plat=
e
> from Summit for a very low price and install it yourself. Pumping
> efficiency is greatly improved.
> >
> > TEAE
> > did a study many years ago on all aspects of cooling. This excellent
> engineering study is still applicable today and well worth reading,
> dispelling a lot of myths.
> >
> >
> > Another design problem with the tiger is that there is no lower portion
> of the fan shroud. As a result, hot air is removed from the radiator then
> goes down to the ground and circles back through the front of the radiato=
r,
> at rest.
> > I fabricated a lower fan shroud from sheet metal, and made a low cost
> plastic air dam that comes down about 4 inches, to help
> > I have to laugh at the commentos who keeps saying that the V8 takes up
> so much space that that's why they overheat. Just look at today's cars an=
d
> how they fill the engine bay and it becomes apparent this is another myth=
.
> >
> >> On Jul 2, 2022, at 10:29 AM, Owain Lloyd <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
> >>
> >> Yep.  I run in most cars with no problems but in the tiger with the
> 500hp motor I needed every bit of efficiency possible so had to switch of=
f
> even back to water and antifreeze.  It worked sort of ok with the dale
> radiator but then I switched to another brand radiator and it just couldn=
?t
> keep the temps down.   Pretty sure it would be doable with an efficient a=
nd
> lower power motor if all the other cooling problems were taken care of.
> >>
> >> In August of the hot summer of 2019 (aren?t they all hot now?) I put
> Evans in a Tiger which has an excellent two row aluminum radiator in fron=
t
> of a rather stock 289. My wife and I put the Tiger through an almost
> 5-thousand mile road test by driving from Los Angeles to La Crosse via
> I80/I90 to attend the TEAE United and then Route 66 on the way home.
> Temperatures were frequently at 100 degrees. So it got quite a test.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The Evans did not boil but with hot outside air temperatures its
> inferior specific heat (to water) could not remove adequately remove the
> engine heat.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The carb got so hot the fuel percolated (boiled) inside the bowls and
> the engine stalled lean. This weakness was exacerbated at altitudes above
> maybe half of the the costly coolant out, replacing it with plain water s=
o
> I could get home. However the percolation reoccurred crossing the Mojave =
in
> >> I don?t have the numbers off the top of my head but the specific heat
> (or ability to transfer heat) of water is 1.00 while Evans is something
> like .65 or only 2/3 that of water. For me, Evans just did not do the job=
.
> From my experience I?d say one would have to be exceptionally brave to us=
e
> it, especially with a stock radiator system or with a more powerful engin=
e
> which will place even more demand on the Tiger?s weak cooling system. (BT=
W
> [email-masked]>> On Behalf Of Dr. T. Y. McDowell
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The lower shrouds are made by Denis at=C2=A0<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>.<div><br></div><div><b=
r></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 4:50 PM Jim D&#39;Amelio via Tigers &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
t</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">James,=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"au=
to"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Would you happen to have any pictures of th=
e lower shroud?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Jim D</d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><br></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_5220926375202243666gmail-m_-5877423677055970=
847composer_signature" dir=3D"auto"><div style=3D"font-size:12px;color:rgb(=
87,87,87)" dir=3D"auto">Sent from my Galaxy</div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><b=
r></div><div><br></div><div align=3D"left" dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-size:=
100%;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>Fr=
om: JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; </div><div>Date: 7/2/22  3=
:14 PM  (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> </div><div>Subject: Re: [Tiger=
s] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 218 </div><div><br></div></div>Hello<br>I m=
et a Canadian guy, I believe from Qu=C3=A9bec at the 2000 TEAE United in Ro=
ckland Maine. He said he was fabricating Lower fan shrouds.=C2=A0 I stayed =
in touch, bought the device, had it installed on the Tiger and it works qui=
te nicely.<br>My engine is a rebuilt 260 with a comp cam, Edelbrock F4B, Pe=
rTronics, and that=E2=80=99s it. A mild upgrade but the lower fan shroud do=
es help. For really really hot days, I=E2=80=99ve got a Kenlow pusher fan a=
nd with everything I have no trouble<br><br><br><br><br>Sent from my iPhone=
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n Lloyd)<br>&gt;=C2=A0=C2=A0 2. Re: Evans Waterless Cooling (LARRY PAULICK)=
<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; ------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Message: 1<br>&gt; Date: Sat, 2 Jul=
 2022 16:29:17 +0200<br>&gt; From: Owain Lloyd &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:owain.=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>&gt; To=
: Buck Trippel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>&gt; Cc: &quot;Dr. T. Y. McDowell&q=
uot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tym2@comcast=
.net</a>&gt;, &quot;Tiger&#39;s List&quot;<br>&gt;=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt;<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling<br>&gt; M=
essage-ID:<br>&gt;=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &lt;CANE47iQLDVr=3D<a href=3D"mailto:D=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">D_k=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>&gt; Content-=
Type: text/plain; charset=3D&quot;utf-8&quot;<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Yep.=C2=A0 I=
 run in most cars with no problems but in the tiger with the 500hp<br>&gt; =
motor I needed every bit of efficiency possible so had to switch off even<b=
r>&gt; back to water and antifreeze.=C2=A0 It worked sort of ok with the da=
le radiator<br>&gt; but then I switched to another brand radiator and it ju=
st couldn?t keep the<br>&gt; temps down.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Pretty sure it would b=
e doable with an efficient and lower<br>&gt; power motor if all the other c=
ooling problems were taken care of.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Il giorno sab 2 lug 20=
22 alle 16:05 Buck Trippel via Tigers &lt;<br>&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:tigers=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; ha scritto=
:<br>&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; In August of the hot summer of 2019 (aren?t they all=
 hot now?) I put Evans<br>&gt;&gt; in a Tiger which has an excellent two ro=
w aluminum radiator in front of a<br>&gt;&gt; rather stock 289. My wife and=
 I put the Tiger through an almost 5-thousand<br>&gt;&gt; mile road test by=
 driving from Los Angeles to La Crosse via I80/I90 to<br>&gt;&gt; attend th=
e TEAE United and then Route 66 on the way home. Temperatures were<br>&gt;&=
gt; frequently at 100 degrees. So it got quite a test.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;=
&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; The Evans did not boil but with hot outside =
air temperatures its inferior<br>&gt;&gt; specific heat (to water) could no=
t remove adequately remove the engine<br>&gt;&gt; heat.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt=
;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; The carb got so hot the fuel percolated (bo=
iled) inside the bowls and the<br>&gt;&gt; engine stalled lean. This weakne=
ss was exacerbated at altitudes above<br>&gt;&gt; 4-thousand feet. In Puebl=
o, with OATs near 100 I ended up on the same AAA<br>&gt;&gt; tow truck twic=
e on the same day. I then gave up and reluctantly drained<br>&gt;&gt; maybe=
 half of the the costly coolant out, replacing it with plain water so<br>&g=
t;&gt; I could get home. However the percolation reoccurred crossing the Mo=
jave in<br>&gt;&gt; the 115 degree August temps. At home I replaced the Eva=
ns with water,<br>&gt;&gt; adding Water Wetter for corrosion protection.<br=
>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; I don?t have the numbers o=
ff the top of my head but the specific heat (or<br>&gt;&gt; ability to tran=
sfer heat) of water is 1.00 while Evans is something like<br>&gt;&gt; .65 o=
r only 2/3 that of water. For me, Evans just did not do the job. From<br>&g=
t;&gt; my experience I?d say one would have to be exceptionally brave to us=
e it,<br>&gt;&gt; especially with a stock radiator system or with a more po=
werful engine<br>&gt;&gt; which will place even more demand on the Tiger?s =
weak cooling system. (BTW<br>&gt;&gt; in the Tiger we drove on that trip, w=
e had removed the stock block under<br>&gt;&gt; the carb that hot radiator =
fluid passes through which probably have made<br>&gt;&gt; even more of a pr=
oblem.)<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Buck Trippel<br>=
&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Ps I wrote up some of this years ago and I believe it=
 contained a more<br>&gt;&gt; detailed account of Evans heating issues on t=
he trip ? I think it was<br>&gt;&gt; published in both the TEAE and CAT new=
letters.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <b=
r>&gt;&gt; *From:* Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; *On Behalf Of *=
Dr. T. Y.<br>&gt;&gt; McDowell<br>&gt;&gt; *Sent:* Saturday, July 2, 2022 5=
:06 AM<br>&gt;&gt; *To:* Tiger&#39;s List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@auto=
x.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; *Su=
bject:* [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&=
gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Is anyone out there in Tigerland using Evans Waterless Coo=
lant?<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; It has a boiling point of 375 (F).=C2=A0 I&#=
39;d like to hear from anyone who&#39;s<br>&gt;&gt; using it as I&#39;m con=
sidering it.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Thanks in a=
dvance,<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Tym McDowell<br>=
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ate: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 11:35:56 -0400<br>&gt; From: LARRY PAULICK &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt;<br>&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k">[email-masked]</a><br>&gt; Cc: Buck Trippel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
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 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling<br>&gt; Message-ID: &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>&gt; Con=
tent-Type: text/plain; charset=3D&quot;utf-8&quot;<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Another=
 issue is aluminum versus brass radiators.=C2=A0 Aluminum radiators are lig=
hter but=C2=A0 brass transfers heat more efficiently.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>=
&gt; When I redid my tiger, I used a three row versus a stock two row brass=
 retaining the top, bottom, and sides so that the fit was not affected.<br>=
&gt; <br>&gt; Also if you&#39;re replacing or having overheating problems, =
a closed impeller type water pump is much more efficient. Some aftermarket =
companies sell them already set up this way, but you can buy just the impel=
ler plate from Summit for a very low price and install it yourself. Pumping=
 efficiency is greatly improved.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; TEAE <br>&gt; did a study=
 many years ago on all aspects of cooling. This excellent engineering study=
 is still applicable today and well worth reading, dispelling a lot of myth=
s.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Another design problem with the tiger is that =
there is no lower portion of the fan shroud. As a result, hot air is remove=
d from the radiator then goes down to the ground and circles back through t=
he front of the radiator, at rest.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; I know this fo=
r a fact since I did smoke test and watched the air recirculating.<br>&gt; =
<br>&gt; I fabricated a lower fan shroud from sheet metal, and made a low c=
ost plastic air dam that comes down about 4 inches, to help<br>&gt; the flo=
w of air through the radiator and continue towards the rear of the car whil=
e in motion.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Bottom line it all works and I don&#39;t over=
heat.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I have to laugh at the commentos who keeps saying th=
at the V8 takes up so much space that that&#39;s why they overheat. Just lo=
ok at today&#39;s cars and how they fill the engine bay and it becomes appa=
rent this is another myth.<br>&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; On Jul 2, 2022, at 10:29 AM=
, Owain Lloyd &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Yep.=C2=A0 =
I run in most cars with no problems but in the tiger with the 500hp motor I=
 needed every bit of efficiency possible so had to switch off even back to =
water and antifreeze.=C2=A0 It worked sort of ok with the dale radiator but=
 then I switched to another brand radiator and it just couldn?t keep the te=
mps down.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Pretty sure it would be doable with an efficient and =
lower power motor if all the other cooling problems were taken care of.<br>=
&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 Buck Trippel via =
Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tiger=
[email-masked]</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;&gt; ha scritto:<br>&gt;&gt; I=
n August of the hot summer of 2019 (aren?t they all hot now?) I put Evans i=
n a Tiger which has an excellent two row aluminum radiator in front of a ra=
ther stock 289. My wife and I put the Tiger through an almost 5-thousand mi=
le road test by driving from Los Angeles to La Crosse via I80/I90 to attend=
 the TEAE United and then Route 66 on the way home. Temperatures were frequ=
ently at 100 degrees. So it got quite a test.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>=
&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; The Evans did not boil but with hot outside air tempe=
ratures its inferior specific heat (to water) could not remove adequately r=
emove the engine heat. <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; =
The carb got so hot the fuel percolated (boiled) inside the bowls and the e=
ngine stalled lean. This weakness was exacerbated at altitudes above 4-thou=
sand feet. In Pueblo, with OATs near 100 I ended up on the same AAA tow tru=
ck twice on the same day. I then gave up and reluctantly drained maybe half=
 of the the costly coolant out, replacing it with plain water so I could ge=
t home. However the percolation reoccurred crossing the Mojave in the 115 d=
egree August temps. At home I replaced the Evans with water, adding Water W=
etter for corrosion protection. <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>=
&gt;&gt; I don?t have the numbers off the top of my head but the specific h=
eat (or ability to transfer heat) of water is 1.00 while Evans is something=
 like .65 or only 2/3 that of water. For me, Evans just did not do the job.=
 From my experience I?d say one would have to be exceptionally brave to use=
 it, especially with a stock radiator system or with a more powerful engine=
 which will place even more demand on the Tiger?s weak cooling system. (BTW=
 in the Tiger we drove on that trip, we had removed the stock block under t=
he carb that hot radiator fluid passes through which probably have made eve=
n more of a problem.)<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Bu=
ck Trippel<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Ps I wrote up some of this years ago an=
d I believe it contained a more detailed account of Evans heating issues on=
 the trip ? I think it was published in both the TEAE and CAT newletters.<b=
r>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt;=
 From: Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt;&gt; On Behalf Of Dr. T. Y. McDowell<br>&gt;&gt; Sent: Saturday,=
 July 2, 2022 5:06 AM<br>&gt;&gt; To: Tiger&#39;s List &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;ma=
ilto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tigers@auto=
x.team.net</a>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Subject: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Coolin=
g<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Is anyone out there in=
 Tigerland using Evans Waterless Coolant? <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; It has =
a boiling point of 375 (F).=C2=A0 I&#39;d like to hear from anyone who&#39;=
s using it as I&#39;m considering it. <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt=
; <br>&gt;&gt; Thanks in advance, <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <b=
r>&gt;&gt; Tym McDowell <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; _________________________=
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Years ago I made this lower shroud. I can't remember if it went under or 
over the upper shroud. I have too much junk on top of this "Jackstand 
Queen" to go look but my guess would be on the "outside of." As you can 
see I drilled two holes to attach mounting bolts.  I know I gave it a 
lot of thought  so that was probably the most logical place to secure 
the two sections. The rest was rather tight as I recall. Purist may balk 
at drilling holes in an original shroud but they can easily be filled 
with weld and ground down should that be desirable.

On 7/2/2022 3:12 PM, James Lindner wrote:
> Jim
>
> Here is a pic of a lower shroud I bought years ago. Never put it on. 
> Not really sure how it is suppose to fit. I assume you attach to 
> existing shroud somehow.
>
> Jim L
>
> image0.jpeg
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jul 2, 2022, at 5:42 PM, Jim D'Amelio via Tigers 
>> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> James,
>>
>> I met a Canadian guy, I believe from Québec at the 2000 TEAE United 
>> in Rockland Maine. He said he was fabricating Lower fan shrouds.  I 
>> stayed in touch, bought the device, had it installed on the Tiger and 
>> it works quite nicely.
>> My engine is a rebuilt 260 with a comp cam, Edelbrock F4B, 
>> PerTronics, and that’s it. A mild upgrade but the lower fan shroud 
>> does help. For really really hot days, I’ve got a Kenlow pusher fan 
>> and with everything I have no trouble
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> 500hp
>> inferior
>> > URL: 
>> <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20220702/fd9385ca/attachment-0001.htm>
>> >
>> > Another issue is aluminum versus brass radiators. Aluminum 
>> radiators are lighter but  brass transfers heat more efficiently.
>> >
>> >
>> > When I redid my tiger, I used a three row versus a stock two row 
>> brass retaining the top, bottom, and sides so that the fit was not 
>> affected.
>> >
>> impeller type water pump is much more efficient. Some aftermarket 
>> companies sell them already set up this way, but you can buy just the 
>> impeller plate from Summit for a very low price and install it 
>> yourself. Pumping efficiency is greatly improved.
>> >
>> > TEAE
>> > did a study many years ago on all aspects of cooling. This 
>> excellent engineering study is still applicable today and well worth 
>> reading, dispelling a lot of myths.
>> >
>> >
>> > Another design problem with the tiger is that there is no lower 
>> portion of the fan shroud. As a result, hot air is removed from the 
>> radiator then goes down to the ground and circles back through the 
>> front of the radiator, at rest.
>> >
>> >
>> > I fabricated a lower fan shroud from sheet metal, and made a low 
>> cost plastic air dam that comes down about 4 inches, to help
>> > I have to laugh at the commentos who keeps saying that the V8 takes 
>> up so much space that that's why they overheat. Just look at today's 
>> cars and how they fill the engine bay and it becomes apparent this is 
>> another myth.
>> >
>> >> Yep.  I run in most cars with no problems but in the tiger with 
>> the 500hp motor I needed every bit of efficiency possible so had to 
>> switch off even back to water and antifreeze.  It worked sort of ok 
>> with the dale radiator but then I switched to another brand radiator 
>> and it just couldn?t keep the temps down.   Pretty sure it would be 
>> doable with an efficient and lower power motor if all the other 
>> cooling problems were taken care of.
>> >>
>> >> Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 Buck Trippel via Tigers 
>> >> In August of the hot summer of 2019 (aren?t they all hot now?) I 
>> put Evans in a Tiger which has an excellent two row aluminum radiator 
>> in front of a rather stock 289. My wife and I put the Tiger through 
>> an almost 5-thousand mile road test by driving from Los Angeles to La 
>> Crosse via I80/I90 to attend the TEAE United and then Route 66 on the 
>> way home. Temperatures were frequently at 100 degrees. So it got 
>> quite a test.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> inferior specific heat (to water) could not remove adequately remove 
>> the engine heat.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The carb got so hot the fuel percolated (boiled) inside the bowls 
>> and the engine stalled lean. This weakness was exacerbated at 
>> altitudes above 4-thousand feet. In Pueblo, with OATs near 100 I 
>> ended up on the same AAA tow truck twice on the same day. I then gave 
>> up and reluctantly drained maybe half of the the costly coolant out, 
>> replacing it with plain water so I could get home. However the 
>> percolation reoccurred crossing the Mojave in the 115 degree August 
>> temps. At home I replaced the Evans with water, adding Water Wetter 
>> for corrosion protection.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I don?t have the numbers off the top of my head but the specific 
>> heat (or ability to transfer heat) of water is 1.00 while Evans is 
>> something like .65 or only 2/3 that of water. For me, Evans just did 
>> not do the job. From my experience I?d say one would have to be 
>> exceptionally brave to use it, especially with a stock radiator 
>> system or with a more powerful engine which will place even more 
>> demand on the Tiger?s weak cooling system. (BTW in the Tiger we drove 
>> on that trip, we had removed the stock block under the carb that hot 
>> radiator fluid passes through which probably have made even more of a 
>> problem.)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Buck Trippel
>> >>
>> >> Ps I wrote up some of this years ago and I believe it contained a 
>> more detailed account of Evans heating issues on the trip ? I think 
>> it was published in both the TEAE and CAT newletters.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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    <p>Years ago I made this lower shroud. I can't remember if it went
      under or over the upper shroud. I have too much junk on top of
      this "Jackstand Queen" to go look but my guess would be on the
      "outside of." As you can see I drilled two holes to attach
      mounting bolts.  I know I gave it a lot of thought  so that was
      probably the most logical place to secure the two sections. The
      rest was rather tight as I recall. Purist may balk at drilling
      holes in an original shroud but they can easily be filled with
      weld and ground down should that be desirable.<br>
    </p>
    <p><img src="cid:[email-masked]" alt=""
        width="796" height="301"></p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/2/2022 3:12 PM, James Lindner
      wrote:<br>
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      <div>Here is a pic of a lower shroud I bought years ago. Never put
        it on. Not really sure how it is suppose to fit. I assume you
        attach to existing shroud somehow. </div>
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      </div>
      <div>Jim L</div>
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        <div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad</div>
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          <blockquote type="cite">On Jul 2, 2022, at 5:42 PM, Jim
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            <div dir="auto">Would you happen to have any pictures of the
              lower shroud?</div>
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              <div>From: JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers
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              <div>Date: 7/2/22 3:14 PM (GMT-05:00) </div>
              <div>To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> </div>
              <div>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue
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            Hello<br>
            I met a Canadian guy, I believe from Québec at the 2000 TEAE
            United in Rockland Maine. He said he was fabricating Lower
            fan shrouds.  I stayed in touch, bought the device, had it
            installed on the Tiger and it works quite nicely.<br>
            My engine is a rebuilt 260 with a comp cam, Edelbrock F4B,
            PerTronics, and that’s it. A mild upgrade but the lower fan
            shroud does help. For really really hot days, I’ve got a
            Kenlow pusher fan and with everything I have no trouble<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            Sent from my iPhone<br>
            <br>
            &gt; On Jul 2, 2022, at 12:05 PM,
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            &gt; Today's Topics:<br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt;   1. Re: Evans Waterless Cooling (Owain Lloyd)<br>
            &gt;   2. Re: Evans Waterless Cooling (LARRY PAULICK)<br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt;
            ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt; Message: 1<br>
            &gt; Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 16:29:17 +0200<br>
            &gt; From: Owain Lloyd <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
            &gt; To: Buck Trippel <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
            &gt; Cc: "Dr. T. Y. McDowell" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>,
            "Tiger's List"<br>
            &gt;    <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
            &gt; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling<br>
            &gt; Message-ID:<br>
            &gt;   
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:CANE47iQLDVr=[email-masked]">&lt;CANE47iQLDVr=[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
            &gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt; Yep.  I run in most cars with no problems but in the
            tiger with the 500hp<br>
            &gt; motor I needed every bit of efficiency possible so had
            to switch off even<br>
            &gt; back to water and antifreeze.  It worked sort of ok
            with the dale radiator<br>
            &gt; but then I switched to another brand radiator and it
            just couldn?t keep the<br>
            &gt; temps down.   Pretty sure it would be doable with an
            efficient and lower<br>
            &gt; power motor if all the other cooling problems were
            taken care of.<br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt; Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 Buck Trippel via
            Tigers &lt;<br>
            &gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; ha scritto:<br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; In August of the hot summer of 2019 (aren?t they
            all hot now?) I put Evans<br>
            &gt;&gt; in a Tiger which has an excellent two row aluminum
            radiator in front of a<br>
            &gt;&gt; rather stock 289. My wife and I put the Tiger
            through an almost 5-thousand<br>
            &gt;&gt; mile road test by driving from Los Angeles to La
            Crosse via I80/I90 to<br>
            &gt;&gt; attend the TEAE United and then Route 66 on the way
            home. Temperatures were<br>
            &gt;&gt; frequently at 100 degrees. So it got quite a test.<br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; The Evans did not boil but with hot outside air
            temperatures its inferior<br>
            &gt;&gt; specific heat (to water) could not remove
            adequately remove the engine<br>
            &gt;&gt; heat.<br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; The carb got so hot the fuel percolated (boiled)
            inside the bowls and the<br>
            &gt;&gt; engine stalled lean. This weakness was exacerbated
            at altitudes above<br>
            &gt;&gt; 4-thousand feet. In Pueblo, with OATs near 100 I
            ended up on the same AAA<br>
            &gt;&gt; tow truck twice on the same day. I then gave up and
            reluctantly drained<br>
            &gt;&gt; maybe half of the the costly coolant out, replacing
            it with plain water so<br>
            &gt;&gt; I could get home. However the percolation
            reoccurred crossing the Mojave in<br>
            &gt;&gt; the 115 degree August temps. At home I replaced the
            Evans with water,<br>
            &gt;&gt; adding Water Wetter for corrosion protection.<br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; I don?t have the numbers off the top of my head but
            the specific heat (or<br>
            &gt;&gt; ability to transfer heat) of water is 1.00 while
            Evans is something like<br>
            &gt;&gt; .65 or only 2/3 that of water. For me, Evans just
            did not do the job. From<br>
            &gt;&gt; my experience I?d say one would have to be
            exceptionally brave to use it,<br>
            &gt;&gt; especially with a stock radiator system or with a
            more powerful engine<br>
            &gt;&gt; which will place even more demand on the Tiger?s
            weak cooling system. (BTW<br>
            &gt;&gt; in the Tiger we drove on that trip, we had removed
            the stock block under<br>
            &gt;&gt; the carb that hot radiator fluid passes through
            which probably have made<br>
            &gt;&gt; even more of a problem.)<br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; Buck Trippel<br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; Ps I wrote up some of this years ago and I believe
            it contained a more<br>
            &gt;&gt; detailed account of Evans heating issues on the
            trip ? I think it was<br>
            &gt;&gt; published in both the TEAE and CAT newletters.<br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; *From:* Tigers
            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> *On Behalf Of *Dr. T.
            Y.<br>
            &gt;&gt; McDowell<br>
            &gt;&gt; *Sent:* Saturday, July 2, 2022 5:06 AM<br>
            &gt;&gt; *To:* Tiger's List <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
            &gt;&gt; *Subject:* [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling<br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; Is anyone out there in Tigerland using Evans
            Waterless Coolant?<br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; It has a boiling point of 375 (F).  I'd like to
            hear from anyone who's<br>
            &gt;&gt; using it as I'm considering it.<br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; Thanks in advance,<br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; Tym McDowell<br>
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            &gt; From: LARRY PAULICK <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
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            &gt; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling<br>
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            &gt; <br>
            &gt; Another issue is aluminum versus brass radiators. 
            Aluminum radiators are lighter but  brass transfers heat
            more efficiently.<br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt; When I redid my tiger, I used a three row versus a
            stock two row brass retaining the top, bottom, and sides so
            that the fit was not affected.<br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt; Also if you're replacing or having overheating
            problems, a closed impeller type water pump is much more
            efficient. Some aftermarket companies sell them already set
            up this way, but you can buy just the impeller plate from
            Summit for a very low price and install it yourself. Pumping
            efficiency is greatly improved.<br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt; TEAE <br>
            &gt; did a study many years ago on all aspects of cooling.
            This excellent engineering study is still applicable today
            and well worth reading, dispelling a lot of myths.<br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt; Another design problem with the tiger is that there is
            no lower portion of the fan shroud. As a result, hot air is
            removed from the radiator then goes down to the ground and
            circles back through the front of the radiator, at rest.<br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt; I know this for a fact since I did smoke test and
            watched the air recirculating.<br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt; I fabricated a lower fan shroud from sheet metal, and
            made a low cost plastic air dam that comes down about 4
            inches, to help<br>
            &gt; the flow of air through the radiator and continue
            towards the rear of the car while in motion.<br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt; Bottom line it all works and I don't overheat.<br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt; I have to laugh at the commentos who keeps saying that
            the V8 takes up so much space that that's why they overheat.
            Just look at today's cars and how they fill the engine bay
            and it becomes apparent this is another myth.<br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; On Jul 2, 2022, at 10:29 AM, Owain Lloyd
            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:<br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; Yep.  I run in most cars with no problems but in
            the tiger with the 500hp motor I needed every bit of
            efficiency possible so had to switch off even back to water
            and antifreeze.  It worked sort of ok with the dale radiator
            but then I switched to another brand radiator and it just
            couldn?t keep the temps down.   Pretty sure it would be
            doable with an efficient and lower power motor if all the
            other cooling problems were taken care of.<br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 Buck Trippel
            via Tigers &lt;<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>
            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;mailto:[email-masked]&gt;</a>&gt; ha scritto:<br>
            &gt;&gt; In August of the hot summer of 2019 (aren?t they
            all hot now?) I put Evans in a Tiger which has an excellent
            two row aluminum radiator in front of a rather stock 289. My
            wife and I put the Tiger through an almost 5-thousand mile
            road test by driving from Los Angeles to La Crosse via
            I80/I90 to attend the TEAE United and then Route 66 on the
            way home. Temperatures were frequently at 100 degrees. So it
            got quite a test.<br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; The Evans did not boil but with hot outside air
            temperatures its inferior specific heat (to water) could not
            remove adequately remove the engine heat. <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; The carb got so hot the fuel percolated (boiled)
            inside the bowls and the engine stalled lean. This weakness
            was exacerbated at altitudes above 4-thousand feet. In
            Pueblo, with OATs near 100 I ended up on the same AAA tow
            truck twice on the same day. I then gave up and reluctantly
            drained maybe half of the the costly coolant out, replacing
            it with plain water so I could get home. However the
            percolation reoccurred crossing the Mojave in the 115 degree
            August temps. At home I replaced the Evans with water,
            adding Water Wetter for corrosion protection. <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; I don?t have the numbers off the top of my head but
            the specific heat (or ability to transfer heat) of water is
            1.00 while Evans is something like .65 or only 2/3 that of
            water. For me, Evans just did not do the job. From my
            experience I?d say one would have to be exceptionally brave
            to use it, especially with a stock radiator system or with a
            more powerful engine which will place even more demand on
            the Tiger?s weak cooling system. (BTW in the Tiger we drove
            on that trip, we had removed the stock block under the carb
            that hot radiator fluid passes through which probably have
            made even more of a problem.)<br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; Buck Trippel<br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; Ps I wrote up some of this years ago and I believe
            it contained a more detailed account of Evans heating issues
            on the trip ? I think it was published in both the TEAE and
            CAT newletters.<br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; From: Tigers &lt;<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>
            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;mailto:[email-masked]&gt;</a>&gt; On Behalf
            Of Dr. T. Y. McDowell<br>
            &gt;&gt; Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 5:06 AM<br>
            &gt;&gt; To: Tiger's List &lt;<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>
            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;mailto:[email-masked]&gt;</a>&gt;<br>
            &gt;&gt; Subject: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling<br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; Is anyone out there in Tigerland using Evans
            Waterless Coolant? <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; It has a boiling point of 375 (F).  I'd like to
            hear from anyone who's using it as I'm considering it. <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; Thanks in advance, <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; <br>
            &gt;&gt; Tym McDowell <br>
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From: LARRY PAULICK via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 19:22:41 -0400

Evan sounds like it only addresses boiling but that's not the issue, it's cooling, and with those high temperatures, the oil is starting to deteriorate as well, now you're into a whole new list of problems.

Again if you have not read the TEAE article, it gets to the heart of the issue which is effective cooling and ways to do it. 

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