Subject: [Tigers] Radial versus bias ply

From: JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 13:19:30 -0400

I know it’s been a long time ago, but does anybody remember the difference between switching from bias ply to radial tires? It’s pretty much an academic question I know, because everybody’s running radials, but I was wondering what it was like to drive a Sunbeam Tiger or Alpine on bias ply tires.
Jim Armstrong

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Even scarier than it is on radials I would imagine!

That said, narrower (165) tires are more fun so comparing cross ply to fat
radials are different in many ways.

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[email-masked]> wrote:

> I know it=E2=80=99s been a long time ago, but does anybody remember the d=
ifference
> between switching from bias ply to radial tires? It=E2=80=99s pretty much=
 an
> academic question I know, because everybody=E2=80=99s running radials, bu=
t I was
> wondering what it was like to drive a Sunbeam Tiger or Alpine on bias ply
> tires.
> Jim Armstrong
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<div dir=3D"auto">Even scarier than it is on radials I would imagine!</div>=
<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">That said, narrower (165) tir=
es are more fun so comparing cross ply to fat radials are different in many=
 ways.</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_attr">On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 at 18:45, JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-lef=
t-color:rgb(204,204,204)">I know it=E2=80=99s been a long time ago, but doe=
s anybody remember the difference between switching from bias ply to radial=
 tires? It=E2=80=99s pretty much an academic question I know, because every=
body=E2=80=99s running radials, but I was wondering what it was like to dri=
ve a Sunbeam Tiger or Alpine on bias ply tires.<br>
Jim Armstrong<br>
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Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 15:00:07 -0400

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When switching to radials, it is a good idea to increase the caster setting=
.

Radials have a different =E2=80=98contact patch=E2=80=99 on the ground, and to make up =
for it and have decent caster, you should increase it. I used about 4.5 degr=
ees on my Series 200 Griffith and steering stability is good.

Don A

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From: Tigers <[email-masked]> on behalf of Owain Lloyd via T=
igers <[email-masked]>
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To: JAMES ARMSTRONG <[email-masked]>
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radial versus bias ply

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That said, narrower (165) tires are more fun so comparing cross ply to fat =
radials are different in many ways.

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I know it=E2=80=99s been a long time ago, but does anybody remember the differenc=
e between switching from bias ply to radial tires? It=E2=80=99s pretty much an aca=
demic question I know, because everybody=E2=80=99s running radials, but I was wond=
ering what it was like to drive a Sunbeam Tiger or Alpine on bias ply tires.
Jim Armstrong

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e:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>When switching to radials, it is a =
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ormal><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Radials =
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d have decent caster, you should increase it. I used about 4.5 degrees on my=
 Series 200 Griffith and steering stability is good.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-seri=
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uly 31, 2022 at 2:16 PM<br><b>To: </b>JAMES ARMSTRONG &lt;[email-masked]&=
gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>Tiger's Den &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject: <=
/b>Re: [Tigers] Radial versus bias ply<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Even scarie=
r than it is on radials I would imagine!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DM=
soNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>That said, narro=
wer (165) tires are more fun so comparing cross ply to fat radials are diffe=
rent in many ways.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 at 18:45, JAMES ARM=
STRONG via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
am.net</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;bor=
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gin-right:0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I know it=E2=80=99s=
 been a long time ago, but does anybody remember the difference between swit=
ching from bias ply to radial tires? It=E2=80=99s pretty much an academic question=
 I know, because everybody=E2=80=99s running radials, but I was wondering what it =
was like to drive a Sunbeam Tiger or Alpine on bias ply tires.<br>Jim Armstr=
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From: James Armstrong via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 20:45:59 +0000 (UTC)

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=C2=A0Good advice=C2=A0Thanks Don=C2=A0Jim Armstrong

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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radial versus bias ply

Radials have a different =E2=80=98contact patch=E2=80=99 on the ground, and=
 to make up for it and have decent caster, you should increase it. I used a=
bout 4.5 degrees on my Series 200 Griffith and steering stability is good.

Don A

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I know it=E2=80=99s been a long time ago, but does anybody remember the dif=
ference between switching from bias ply to radial tires? It=E2=80=99s prett=
y much an academic question I know, because everybody=E2=80=99s running rad=
ials, but I was wondering what it was like to drive a Sunbeam Tiger or Alpi=
ne on bias ply tires.
Jim Armstrong

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<div class=3D"quotedReply">Good advice</div>
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<div class=3D"quotedReply">Thanks Don</div>
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<div class=3D"quotedReply">Jim Armstrong<br>
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00; font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style=3D"background-color:=
 transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">From: =
[email-masked]<br>To: [email-masked], [email-masked]<br>Cc=
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<br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radial versus bias ply<br><br></span></span>
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<p class=3D"yiv4251662690MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 16.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif;">When switching to radials, it is a good idea to increa=
se the caster setting.</span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv4251662690MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 16.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif;">Radials have a different &lsquo;contact patch&rsquo; o=
n the ground, and to make up for it and have decent caster, you should incr=
ease it. I used about 4.5 degrees on my Series 200 Griffith and steering st=
ability is good.</span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv4251662690MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 16.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif;">Don A</span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv4251662690MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 16.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p>
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t; color: black;">From: </span></strong><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; c=
olor: black;">Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Owa=
in Lloyd via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><strong=
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>Date: </strong>Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:16 PM<br clear=3D"none"><strong>=
To: </strong>JAMES ARMSTRONG &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><s=
trong>Cc: </strong>Tiger's Den &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"no=
ne"><strong>Subject: </strong>Re: [Tigers] Radial versus bias ply</span></p=
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<p class=3D"yiv4251662690MsoNormal">Even scarier than it is on radials I wo=
uld imagine!</p>
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<p class=3D"yiv4251662690MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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<p class=3D"yiv4251662690MsoNormal">That said, narrower (165) tires are mor=
e fun so comparing cross ply to fat radials are different in many ways.</p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"yiv4251662690MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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 it&rsquo;s been a long time ago, but does anybody remember the difference =
between switching from bias ply to radial tires? It&rsquo;s pretty much an =
academic question I know, because everybody&rsquo;s running radials, but I =
was wondering what it was like to drive a Sunbeam Tiger or Alpine on bias p=
ly tires.<br clear=3D"none">Jim Armstrong<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"no=
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39 years ago, I ran 235/50R-13 Firestone "Super Sports" bias ply tires on
the Tiger's rear 7"x13" American Racing Vector wheels (they're still on the
static car) for the purpose of being more controllable and sensitive to
lateral slippage.  I could pull some tight turns with those tires and sense
exactly how they would slide and regrip whereas the former 185/70-R13
radials tended to wind up the sidewalls like a spring and break traction
suddenly.  It isn't that a 235/50-R13 radial wouldn't be as good or better,
but I liked the performance of the bias plys when they were new.  Those
40-year-old tires are GFN now.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,=
sans-serif;font-size:small">39 years ago, I ran 235/50R-13 Firestone &quot;=
Super Sports&quot; bias ply tires on the Tiger&#39;s rear 7&quot;x13&quot; =
American Racing Vector wheels (they&#39;re still on the static car) for the=
 purpose=C2=A0of being more controllable=C2=A0and sensitive to lateral slip=
page.=C2=A0 I could pull some tight turns with those tires and sense exactl=
y how they would slide and regrip whereas the former 185/70-R13 radials ten=
ded to wind up the sidewalls like a spring and break traction suddenly.=C2=
=A0 It isn&#39;t that a 235/50-R13 radial wouldn&#39;t be as good or better=
, but I liked the performance of the bias plys when they were new.=C2=A0 Th=
ose 40-year-old tires are GFN now.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 1:55 PM JAM=
ES ARMSTRONG via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tigers=
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tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad=
ding-left:1ex">I know it=E2=80=99s been a long time ago, but does anybody r=
emember the difference between switching from bias ply to radial tires? It=
=E2=80=99s pretty much an academic question I know, because everybody=E2=80=
=99s running radials, but I was wondering what it was like to drive a Sunbe=
am Tiger or Alpine on bias ply tires.<br>
Jim Armstrong<br>
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