Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 14:09:47 -0400

I have an obscure question regarding originality and trunk hinge fasteners.

My Mk1a Tiger came to me in fairly original but run down condition.

I noticed the trunk hinges were attached to the trunk lid by a flat headed screw and a stud.

The screw was at the end of the hinge that’s above the chassis rubber sealing strip.

Obviously the stud was at the other  end. 

Both were painted the car’s color.

My car was painted a few years ago and this detail was not respected by the paint shop who  used common bolts in place of a screw and a stud.

So now I have some screws and studs to use if they are correct.

Your information on what’s correct would be appreciated.

TIA,

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
Series 1 Alpind V6 T5
-Atlanta, Gas 

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From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 23:00:55 -0400

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Ron, thanks.

Here is a picture of them. Thdd we picture is an old, badly maintained Serie=
s  IV Alpine.

The were painted but it=E2=80=99s hard to say when these were painted.

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> On May 13, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Allan
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> Here is what is listed in the Alpine Parts List =E2=80=93 June 1968
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> 9050176 is listed under Screws (Hexagonal Headed)
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> Ron Fraser
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2022 2:10 PM
> To: Tiger List List <[email-masked]>
> Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
> =20
> I have an obscure question regarding originality and trunk hinge fasteners=
.
> =20
> =20
> I noticed the trunk hinges were attached to the trunk lid by a flat headed=
 screw and a stud.
> =20
> The screw was at the end of the hinge that=E2=80=99s above the chassis rub=
ber sealing strip.
> =20
> =20
> Both were painted the car=E2=80=99s color.
> =20
> My car was painted a few years ago and this detail was not respected by th=
e paint shop who  used common bolts in place of a screw and a stud.
> =20
> =20
> Your information on what=E2=80=99s correct would be appreciated.
> =20
> TIA,
> =20
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1a Tiger
> Series 1 Alpind V6 T5
> -Atlanta, Gas
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lpine.</div><div><br></div><div>The were painted but it=E2=80=99s hard to sa=
y when these were painted.</div><div><br></div><div><img alt=3D"image0.jpeg"=
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ssage-----<br>From: Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; On Behalf O=
f Allan Ballard via Tigers<br>Sent: Friday, May 13, 2022 2:10 PM<br>To: Tige=
r List List &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk=
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on bolts in place of a screw and a stud.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainT=
ext"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText">So now I have some screw=
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From: Jay Laifman via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 20:35:26 -0700

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My very late SV that sure seemed to be factory paint did not have these pain=
ted.  However the screw was particularly flat.  This picture looks like it i=
s more rounded.  The next picture provided shows them more flat like mine.  A=
lso, if I recall correctly, no washer under those screws. =20

But that was a late SV and lots of little things like that may have changed o=
ver the Tiger years. =20

> On May 13, 2022, at 11:54 AM, James Lindner via Tigers <[email-masked].=
net> wrote:
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> =EF=BB=BFAllan
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> I have been working on the same thing, after losing a half point at last y=
ear=E2=80=99s SUNI. I believe You have it correct regarding the screw and st=
ud. I also believe they were NOT painted. I too have sourced some of the ori=
ginal fasteners. The screws did not have any evidence of paint, although a c=
ouple of the studs were painted. Attached is a photo that I got of a suppose=
dly original car.
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> The bolts securing the lid support struts (not shown) are painted.
>=20
> I am all ears to hear what others say.
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> Jim
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>> On May 13, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Allan Ballard via Tigers <[email-masked].=
net> wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFI have an obscure question regarding originality and trunk hinge=
 fasteners.
>> I noticed the trunk hinges were attached to the trunk lid by a flat heade=
d screw and a stud.
>>=20
>> The screw was at the end of the hinge that=E2=80=99s above the chassis ru=
bber sealing strip.
>>=20
>> Obviously the stud was at the other  end.=20
>>=20
>> My car was painted a few years ago and this detail was not respected by t=
he paint shop who  used common bolts in place of a screw and a stud.
>> -Atlanta, Gas=20
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archi=
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From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 14:22:35 +0000

I'm guessing the purpose of a flat screw is to avoid damage being inflicted upon the rubber trunk seal which is immediately below.
 
Whether it should be painted or not, my sparse few examples are not reliable to say.
 
It occurs to me that leaving it unpainted makes practical sense given its contact with the rubber trunk seal, which would rub off the paint over time.

-----Original Message-----
From: James Lindner 
Sent: May 14, 2022 8:36 AM
To: Ron Fraser 
Cc: Allan Ballard , 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
 
Just to confuse the matter more…there is a supposedly all-original survivor for sale on eBay. In the photo of the trunk it shows the hinge screws as NOT painted…but the studs are painted.
 
I know the claim of all original could be suspect, but thought it was worth sharing.
 
Jim

 
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> On May 14, 2022, at 8:05 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:
>
> Allan
> The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.
>
> The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
> The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.
>
> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
> hinge
> 2203571 Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
> Special is not there.
>
> This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.
>
> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
> screw.
>
> I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
> From: Tigers On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
> Tigers
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
> To: Jay Laifman
> Cc: Tiger List List
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>
> These are going on my Forest
> Green Mk1a Tiger:
>
>
>
> Archive:  http://autox.team.net/archive (http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers)
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These comments about the painted stud and nut has revived some shadowy memor=
ies.  I am thinking that maybe that is what mine was.  Though on that red eB=
ay one, the screws look too tall/domed and shiny to me. =20

> On May 14, 2022, at 8:52 AM, Douglas Lyle via Tigers <[email-masked]=
t> wrote:
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> =EF=BB=BF
> There is some truth to the hammer on the firewall.   I can tell you that t=
he Shelby Prototype Tiger still has the indented hammer marks in the firewal=
l from when it went back to Shelby to get a 289 installed.   I can also tell=
 you George Boskoff hated that modification and told me I needed to fix it b=
efore taking the car to Tigers United.   He didn't want anyone thinking that=
 it was him making that modification as he would have done it with a little m=
ore finesse.
>=20
>=20
> Jere Kirkpatrick - installation of a HiPo 289 in the Shelby Sunbeam Tiger P=
rototype.
>=20
> =09
> Jere Kirkpatrick - installation of a HiPo 289 in the Shelby Sunbeam Tige..=
.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Saturday, May 14, 2022, 08:33:15 AM PDT, Tom Witt via Tigers <tigers@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> When one considers the hinge is chrome, not body color it stands to=20
> reason that the body and trunk (boot) were painted and then the three=20
> pieces assembled. IF..., in fact the stud is painted at the factory it=20
> might be that the topside was painted, the hinge attached by the stud=20
> only and then hung to paint the underside. Just a guess but at least a=20
> possibility (not trying to create a big hammer on the firewall urban=20
> legend here).
>=20
> On 5/14/2022 7:22 AM, Allan Ballard via Tigers wrote:
> > I'm guessing the purpose of a flat screw is to avoid damage being inflic=
ted upon the rubber trunk seal which is immediately below.
> > =20
> > Whether it should be painted or not, my sparse few examples are not reli=
able to say.
> > =20
> > It occurs to me that leaving it unpainted makes practical sense given it=
s contact with the rubber trunk seal, which would rub off the paint over tim=
e.
> > Just to confuse the matter more=E2=80=A6there is a supposedly all-origin=
al survivor for sale on eBay. In the photo of the trunk it shows the hinge s=
crews as NOT painted=E2=80=A6but the studs are painted.
> > =20
> > I know the claim of all original could be suspect, but thought it was wo=
rth sharing.
> >> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the tr=
unk
> >> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the w=
ord
> >> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license p=
late
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se comments about the painted stud and nut has revived some shadowy memories=
. &nbsp;I am thinking that maybe that is what mine was. &nbsp;Though on that=
 red eBay one, the screws look too tall/domed and shiny to me. &nbsp;</div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 14, 2022, at 8:52 AM, D=
ouglas Lyle via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockqu=
ote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<!--[if gte ms=
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">There is some truth to the ha=
mmer on the firewall.&nbsp;&nbsp; I can tell you that the Shelby Prototype T=
iger still has the indented hammer marks in the firewall from when it went b=
ack to Shelby to get a 289 installed.&nbsp;&nbsp; I can also tell you George=
 Boskoff hated that modification and told me I needed to fix it before takin=
g the car to Tigers United.&nbsp;&nbsp; He didn't want anyone thinking that i=
t was him making that modification as he would have done it with a little mo=
re finesse.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"f=
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el=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" class=3D"enhancr_card_3007125229">Jere Kir=
kpatrick - installation of a HiPo 289 in the Shelby Sunbeam Tiger Prototype.=
</a></div><div><br></div><div id=3D"ydpd5ee7afeenhancr_card_3007125229" clas=
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                    On Saturday, May 14, 2022, 08:33:15 AM PDT, Tom Witt via=
 Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div dir=3D"ltr">When one considers the hinge is chrome=
, not body color it stands to <br clear=3D"none">reason that the body and tr=
unk (boot) were painted and then the three <br clear=3D"none">pieces assembl=
ed. IF..., in fact the stud is painted at the factory it <br clear=3D"none">=
might be that the topside was painted, the hinge attached by the stud <br cl=
ear=3D"none">only and then hung to paint the underside. Just a guess but at l=
east a <br clear=3D"none">possibility (not trying to create a big hammer on t=
he firewall urban <br clear=3D"none">legend here).<br clear=3D"none"><br cle=
ar=3D"none">On 5/14/2022 7:22 AM, Allan Ballard via Tigers wrote:<br clear=3D=
"none">&gt; I'm guessing the purpose of a flat screw is to avoid damage bein=
g inflicted upon the rubber trunk seal which is immediately below.<br clear=3D=
"none">&gt;&nbsp;  <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Whether it should be painted or n=
ot, my sparse few examples are not reliable to say.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&n=
bsp;  <br clear=3D"none">&gt; It occurs to me that leaving it unpainted make=
s practical sense given its contact with the rubber trunk seal, which would r=
ub off the paint over time.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&nbsp;  <br clear=3D"none"=
>&gt;&nbsp;  <br clear=3D"none">&gt; -----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"=
none">&gt; From: James Lindner<br clear=3D"none">&gt; Sent: May 14, 2022 8:3=
6 AM<br clear=3D"none">&gt; To: Ron Fraser<br clear=3D"none">&gt; Cc: Allan B=
allard ,<br clear=3D"none">&gt; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fa=
steners<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&nbsp;  <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Just to confus=
e the matter more=E2=80=A6there is a supposedly all-original survivor for sa=
le on eBay. In the photo of the trunk it shows the hinge screws as NOT paint=
ed=E2=80=A6but the studs are painted.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&nbsp;  <br clea=
r=3D"none">&gt; I know the claim of all original could be suspect, but thoug=
ht it was worth sharing.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&nbsp;  <br clear=3D"none">&g=
t; Jim<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&nbsp;  <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&nbsp;  <br clea=
r=3D"none">&gt;&nbsp;  <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&nbsp;  <br clear=3D"none">&gt=
; Sent from my iPad<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&nbsp;  <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt=
; On May 14, 2022, at 8:05 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;<=
br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; Allan<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; The photo eviden=
ce indicates that the Parts List is not correct.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;<=
br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; The fasteners should be natural color, not painte=
d.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cure=
d then installed.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; The M=
arch 1963 shows this screw in the Series I &amp; II section for the trunk<br=
 clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; hinge<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; 2203571 Screw, 1/4=
" UNF. X 1/2" Special<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; This screw is also listed f=
or the Series III &amp; IV trunk hinge but the word<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&g=
t; Special is not there.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&g=
t; This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.<br cle=
ar=3D"none">&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; Your pictures look like a la=
rge headed Round Screw much like a license plate<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; s=
crew.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; I know my trunk h=
inge fasteners are not original so no help there.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;=
<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; Ron Fraser<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D=
"none">&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----<br cle=
ar=3D"none">&gt;&gt; From: Tigers On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via<br clear=3D=
"none">&gt;&gt; Tigers<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; Sent: Saturday, May 14, 20=
22 1:39 AM<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; To: Jay Laifman<br clear=3D"none">&gt;=
&gt; Cc: Tiger List List<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Co=
rrect trunk hinge fasteners<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">&gt=
;&gt; These are going on my Forest<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; Green Mk1a Tig=
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Jim=E2=80=99s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.

A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help how=
ever, deepening the substances of  his primary resource.

A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tige=
r.

They offered its use for just such purposes as we=E2=80=99ve discussed here.=

Unfortunately I lost their card.

Other opportunities exist.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <[email-masked].=
net> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFAlong the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tig=
er and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me ye=
ars to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the=
 information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tiger=
 and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is=
 pretty close.
>=20
> The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too de=
ep.=20
>=20
> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickRefere=
nceV2-19.pdf
>=20
> The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.
>=20
> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guid=
e-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf
>=20
> These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be add=
ing the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/correc=
tions. OBTW=E2=80=A6I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.
>=20
> Jim Lindner
>=20
>=20
> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFMayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the=
 List
>> received it.
>>=20
>> What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
>> original Tiger to send photos to the List.
>>=20
>> Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B382=
1.
>> I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.
>>=20
>> Ron Fraser
>>=20
>> From: Larry Mayfield <[email-masked]>=20
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
>> To: 'Ron Fraser' <[email-masked]>
>> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>=20
>> Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal a=
nd
>> stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge.  None are
>> painted.  And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint
>> shops knew not to paint them.=20
>>=20
>> mayf
>>=20
>> From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM
>> To: 'Allan Ballard' <[email-masked]>
>> Cc: [email-masked]
>> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trun=
k
>> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the wor=
d
>> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license pl=
ate
>> From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard v=
ia
>> To: Jay Laifman <[email-masked]>
>> Cc: Tiger List List <[email-masked]>
ve
>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Jim=E2=80=99s work to document Tigers and A=
lpines is extraordinary.<div><br><div>A library of supplemental photographs f=
rom original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of &nbsp=
;his primary resource.</div><div><br></div><div>A while ago at a show I met a=
 couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.</div><div><br></div><div>T=
hey offered its use for just such purposes as we=E2=80=99ve discussed here.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>Unfortunately I lost their card.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Other opportunities exist.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b=
r><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite">On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers &lt;ti=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D=
"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Along the lines of a photo library, I would dir=
ect you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These do=
cuments took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of r=
estored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most kn=
owledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% ac=
curate, but it is pretty close.<div><br></div><div>The Tiger guide was my fi=
rst effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep.&nbsp;</div><div><br></d=
iv><div><a href=3D"https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Stoc=
kTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf">https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/=
2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>The A=
lpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.</div><div>=
<br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/=
09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf">https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-=
content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf</a><br><b=
r>These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be add=
ing the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/correc=
tions. OBTW=E2=80=A6I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.</div><div><br=
></div><div>Jim Lindner</div><div><br></div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent f=
rom my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 15, 2=
022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></bl=
ockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>May=
f sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List</span><br=
><span>received it.</span><br><span></span><br><span>What I think we need is=
 a photo record from any original owner with an</span><br><span>original Tig=
er to send photos to the List.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Photos of ea=
ch Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.</span><br><s=
pan>I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.</span><br><s=
pan></span><br><span>Ron Fraser</span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Origin=
al Message-----</span><br><span>From: Larry Mayfield &lt;[email-masked]&g=
t; </span><br><span>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM</span><br><span>To=
: 'Ron Fraser' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</span><br><span>Subject: RE: [Ti=
gers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners</span><br><span></span><br><span>Ron, mi=
ne are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and</span><=
br><span>stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge. &nbsp;=
None are</span><br><span>painted. &nbsp;And my car has been painted 3 times s=
ince I acquired it. Paint</span><br><span>shops knew not to paint them. </sp=
an><br><span></span><br><span>mayf</span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Ori=
ginal Message-----</span><br><span>From: Tigers &lt;[email-masked]=
m.net&gt; On Behalf Of Ron Fraser</span><br><span>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 20=
22 4:56 AM</span><br><span>To: 'Allan Ballard' &lt;[email-masked]&gt=
;</span><br><span>Cc: [email-masked]</span><br><span>Subject: Re: [Ti=
gers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners</span><br><span></span><br><span>Allan</=
span><br><span> &nbsp; &nbsp;The photo evidence indicates that the Parts Lis=
t is not correct.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The fasteners should be n=
atural color, not painted.</span><br><span>The trunk lid would be painted 1s=
t, paint cured then installed.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The March 19=
63 shows this screw in the Series I &amp; II section for the trunk</span><br=
><span>hinge</span><br><span>2203571 &nbsp; &nbsp;Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Sp=
ecial</span><br><span>This screw is also listed for the Series III &amp; IV t=
runk hinge but the word</span><br><span>Special is not there.</span><br><spa=
n></span><br><span>This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Pa=
rts List.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Your pictures look like a large h=
eaded Round Screw much like a license plate</span><br><span>screw.</span><br=
><span></span><br><span>I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so n=
o help there.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Ron Fraser</span><br><span></=
span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br><span>From:=
 Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via=
</span><br><span>Tigers</span><br><span>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM=
</span><br><span>To: Jay Laifman &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</span><br><sp=
an>Cc: Tiger List List &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</span><br><span>Subject=
: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners</span><br><span></span><br><spa=
n>These are going on my Forest</span><br><span>Green Mk1a Tiger:</span><br><=
span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>____________________=
___________________________</span><br><span></span><br><span>[email-masked]=
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Jim

Sorry, I lost track of the email string. Thanks.

Jim

Sent from my iPad

> On May 16, 2022, at 8:48 AM, jimdamelio <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Jim,
>=20
> They were my photos and you can use them as you like.
>=20
> Jim D
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Sent from my Galaxy
>=20
>=20
> -------- Original message --------
> From: James Lindner <[email-masked]>
> Date: 5/16/22 8:40 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Allan Ballard <[email-masked]>
> Cc: [email-masked]
> If you do not mind, I will add the MkII period photos to the Tiger guide. I=
f OK and you have any more period photos of Tigers please pass them along. I=
 tried making copies of the photos in the articles online, but a photo of a c=
opy and then enlarging just does not work.
>=20
> Thanks
>=20
> Jim
>=20
> Sent from my iPad
>=20
>>> On May 15, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Allan Ballard <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
>>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFJim=E2=80=99s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordina=
ry.
>>=20
>> A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help h=
owever, deepening the substances of  his primary resource.
>>=20
>> A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II T=
iger.
>>=20
>> They offered its use for just such purposes as we=E2=80=99ve discussed he=
re.
>>>> On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <[email-masked]=
am.net> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BFAlong the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the T=
iger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me y=
ears to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, th=
e information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tige=
r and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it i=
s pretty close.
>>>=20
>>> The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too d=
eep.=20
>>>=20
>>> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickRefe=
renceV2-19.pdf
>>> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Gu=
ide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf
>>>=20
>>> These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be a=
dding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corr=
ections. OBTW=E2=80=A6I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.
>>>=20
>>> Jim Lindner
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>=20
>>>>> On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>>>>>=20
>>>> =EF=BB=BFMayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on t=
he List
>>>> Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3=
821.
>>>> Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal=
 and
>>>> painted.  And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Pain=
t
unk
ord
late
>>>> From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard=
 via
>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/arc=
hive
>>>>=20
>>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco=
.com
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ive
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Jim<div><br></div><div>Sorry, I lost track o=
f the email string. Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Jim<br><br><div dir=3D"=
ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">O=
n May 16, 2022, at 8:48 AM, jimdamelio &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:=
<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=
=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8">=
<div dir=3D"auto">Jim,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Th=
ey were my photos and you can use them as you like.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Jim D</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div id=3D"composer_signature" d=
ir=3D"auto"><div style=3D"font-size:12px;color:#575757" dir=3D"auto">Sent fr=
om my Galaxy</div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div alig=
n=3D"left" dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-size:100%;color:#000000"><div>--------=
 Original message --------</div><div>From: James Lindner &lt;[email-masked]&=
gt; </div><div>Date: 5/16/22  8:40 AM  (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Allan Ball=
ard &lt;[email-masked]&gt; </div><div>Cc: [email-masked] </di=
v><div>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners </div><div><br></=
div></div>Allan<div><br></div><div>If you do not mind, I will add the MkII p=
eriod photos to the Tiger guide. If OK and you have any more period photos o=
f Tigers please pass them along. I tried making copies of the photos in the a=
rticles online, but a photo of a copy and then enlarging just does not work.=
</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div><br></div><div>Jim<br><br><div di=
r=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te">On May 15, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Allan Ballard &lt;[email-masked]&gt=
; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr=
">=EF=BB=BFJim=E2=80=99s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinar=
y.<div><br><div>A library of supplemental photographs from original cars cou=
ld only help however, deepening the substances of &nbsp;his primary resource=
.</div><div><br></div><div>A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmo=
lested, original Mk II Tiger.</div><div><br></div><div>They offered its use f=
or just such purposes as we=E2=80=99ve discussed here.</div><div><br></div><=
div>Unfortunately I lost their card.</div><div><br></div><div>Other opportun=
ities exist.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Se=
nt from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May=
 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&g=
t; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"lt=
r">=EF=BB=BFAlong the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Ti=
ger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me y=
ears to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, th=
e information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tige=
r and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it i=
s pretty close.<div><br></div><div>The Tiger guide was my first effort and a=
t 30+ pages it does not go too deep.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D=
"https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferen=
ceV2-19.pdf">https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTiger=
QuickReferenceV2-19.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>The Alpine guide howeve=
r, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.</div><div><br></div><div><a h=
ref=3D"https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging=
-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf">https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/202=
1/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf</a><br><br>These are living d=
ocuments which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about h=
inge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW=E2=80=A6=
I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.</div><div><br></div><div>Jim Lind=
ner</div><div><br></div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ro=
n Fraser &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>Mayf sent me this note a=
nd I wanted to make sure everyone on the List</span><br><span>received it.</=
span><br><span></span><br><span>What I think we need is a photo record from a=
ny original owner with an</span><br><span>original Tiger to send photos to t=
he List.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Photos of each Tiger Series would b=
e the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.</span><br><span>I also think photos=
 of each Alpine Series would be helpful.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Ro=
n Fraser</span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><=
br><span>From: Larry Mayfield &lt;[email-masked]&gt; </span><br><span>Sen=
t: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM</span><br><span>To: 'Ron Fraser' &lt;rfra=
[email-masked]&gt;</span><br><span>Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hin=
ge fasteners</span><br><span></span><br><span>Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot s=
crews where they run on the weather seal and</span><br><span>stud and nut ot=
her side through the deck and into the hinge. &nbsp;None are</span><br><span=
>painted. &nbsp;And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Pai=
nt</span><br><span>shops knew not to paint them. </span><br><span></span><br=
><span>mayf</span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Original Message-----</spa=
n><br><span>From: Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; On Behalf Of R=
on Fraser</span><br><span>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM</span><br><sp=
an>To: 'Allan Ballard' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</span><br><span>Cc: ti=
[email-masked]</span><br><span>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hing=
e fasteners</span><br><span></span><br><span>Allan</span><br><span> &nbsp; &=
nbsp;The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.</span>=
<br><span></span><br><span>The fasteners should be natural color, not painte=
d.</span><br><span>The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then inst=
alled.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The March 1963 shows this screw in t=
he Series I &amp; II section for the trunk</span><br><span>hinge</span><br><=
span>2203571 &nbsp; &nbsp;Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special</span><br><span>Th=
is screw is also listed for the Series III &amp; IV trunk hinge but the word=
</span><br><span>Special is not there.</span><br><span></span><br><span>This=
 screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.</span><br><sp=
an></span><br><span>Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much l=
ike a license plate</span><br><span>screw.</span><br><span></span><br><span>=
I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.</span><br=
><span></span><br><span>Ron Fraser</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><=
br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br><span>From: Tigers &lt;tigers-=
[email-masked]&gt; On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via</span><br><span>Ti=
gers</span><br><span>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM</span><br><span>To=
: Jay Laifman &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</span><br><span>Cc: Tiger List L=
ist &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</span><br><span>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Corr=
ect trunk hinge fasteners</span><br><span></span><br><span>These are going o=
n my Forest</span><br><span>Green Mk1a Tiger:</span><br><span></span><br><sp=
an></span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________=
________</span><br><span></span><br><span>[email-masked]</span><br><s=
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