Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wheels, Lugs and Paint...

From: GARY WINBLAD <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 18:01:35 -0400 (EDT)

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Hi Mayf,
Go to the forum you want to post in.

Look at the upper right, button called "Post thread".. in brown/orange.
Gary

>     On 05/26/2022 4:53 PM Larry Mayfield <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>=20
>     You know I have been a member of CAT continuously since 1974 and off =
and on between 1967 and 1974. Lotta years and subjects under the bridges.. =
I believe some of ya=E2=80=99ll are CAT members as well and I need some ass=
istance with the forum on the CAT web site.  I logged on using my official =
user name and pass word, updated just last year but I will be danged if I c=
an where and how to post anything to any of the forum areas. Any help out t=
here?
>=20
>=20
>     This is just me thinking out loud now. Your, MMV, lol. And everything=
 is subject to an 80 year old=E2=80=99s fogy memory.  I still have my origi=
nal steel wheels from when I purchased the car, admittedly used in Jan 1967=
 with 11K miles on it, and the wheels are what was on the car at that time.=
 Oh< my Tiger is a MK I with last four numbers being 1136.  So, I am guessi=
ng that they are OEM and specific to this car.  They are of course the 13 i=
nch, 4 lug wheels that use 7/16th inch  studs and tapered shoulder nuts to =
keep them on the car.  I had and had a notion that the wheels are NOT lug c=
entric, but hub centric, to keeping them centered on the hubs. I say that b=
ecause the aftermarket wheels i.e. LAT 70 and others,  use the hubs to cent=
er the wheels since the lugs are straight shanked nuts without taper.  Hub =
centric is a n brainer. The wheel is made to fit the hub and the hub is a m=
achined part made to assure that the wheel is centered.  The tapered lugs h=
ave a couple of purposes I suppose, one is that the lug centers the wheel m=
ounting hole on the studs and that the tapes is linger than a flat cut nut =
giving more gripping area and requiring more force to remove it due to meta=
l to metal friction as the clamping force applied ty the torque wrench  bei=
ng used by the installer.  Another think that comes to mind for me anyway, =
is that the studs and nuts are a bit finer thread that the regular coarse t=
hread s and they are =E2=80=9Cfine threads=E2=80=9D. With a taper, a single=
 turn of the nut to loosen, will move the nut off the wheel a distance of  =
the sine of the taper angle times the thread pitch distance. And for sure n=
o paint on the faying surfaces.  The twist of the nut against the paint wil=
l most likely on the first torque down destroy that thin paint layer and it=
 should be retorques a bit after it has run down the road.   Tomorrow I wil=
l be removing the OEM beauty rings, hub caps, and wheels from my storage ar=
ea and moving them to another storage location in my shop so I will have am=
ple time to examine them since I have not looked at them since I put the LA=
T 70 ones on my car in 1968.  Right now, I am thinking, and I may be wrong,=
 but, the back side of my wheel are same color as the front side and not bl=
ack or any other color.   When I am done with moving parts around, I will p=
ost any new info I glean  to help muddy the water some more.
>=20
>=20
>     In any case, someone with an idea on how to post to the cat forums, l=
emme know=E2=80=A6
>=20
>=20
>     Drmayf
>=20
>     Aka Larry
>=20
>     TWFS: 204.913 mph flying mile on the salt
>=20
>     And 210.779 mph out the back door.
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>=20
>     The dedicated race Car, not my Tiger,  has been sold to another LSR r=
acer of sorts.
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>     _______________________________________________
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   Hi Mayf,
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   Go to the forum you want to post in.
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   Look at the upper right, button called "Post thread".. in brown/orange.
   <br>
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  <div class=3D"default-style">
   Gary
   <br>
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    On 05/26/2022 4:53 PM Larry Mayfield &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">You know I have been a member of CAT continuousl=
y since 1974 and off and on between 1967 and 1974. Lotta years and subjects=
 under the bridges.. I believe some of ya=E2=80=99ll are CAT members as wel=
l and I need some assistance with the forum on the CAT web site. &nbsp;I lo=
gged on using my official user name and pass word, updated just last year b=
ut I will be danged if I can where and how to post anything to any of the f=
orum areas. Any help out there?</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">This is just me thinking out loud now. Your, MMV=
, lol. And everything is subject to an 80 year old=E2=80=99s fogy memory. &=
nbsp;I still have my original steel wheels from when I purchased the car, a=
dmittedly used in Jan 1967 with 11K miles on it, and the wheels are what wa=
s on the car at that time. Oh&lt; my Tiger is a MK I with last four numbers=
 being 1136. &nbsp;So, I am guessing that they are OEM and specific to this=
 car.&nbsp; They are of course the 13 inch, 4 lug wheels that use 7/16<sup>=
th</sup> inch &nbsp;studs and tapered shoulder nuts to keep them on the car=
. &nbsp;I had and had a notion that the wheels are NOT lug centric, but hub=
 centric, to keeping them centered on the hubs. I say that because the afte=
rmarket wheels i.e. LAT 70 and others, &nbsp;use the hubs to center the whe=
els since the lugs are straight shanked nuts without taper. &nbsp;Hub centr=
ic is a n brainer. The wheel is made to fit the hub and the hub is a machin=
ed part made to assure that the wheel is centered. &nbsp;The tapered lugs h=
ave a couple of purposes I suppose, one is that the lug centers the wheel m=
ounting hole on the studs and that the tapes is linger than a flat cut nut =
giving more gripping area and requiring more force to remove it due to meta=
l to metal friction as the clamping force applied ty the torque wrench&nbsp=
; being used by the installer. &nbsp;Another think that comes to mind for m=
e anyway, is that the studs and nuts are a bit finer thread that the regula=
r coarse thread s and they are =E2=80=9Cfine threads=E2=80=9D. With a taper=
, a single turn of the nut to loosen, will move the nut off the wheel a dis=
tance of &nbsp;the sine of the taper angle times the thread pitch distance.=
 And for sure no paint on the faying surfaces.&nbsp; The twist of the nut a=
gainst the paint will most likely on the first torque down destroy that thi=
n paint layer and it should be retorques a bit after it has run down the ro=
ad. &nbsp;&nbsp;Tomorrow I will be removing the OEM beauty rings, hub caps,=
 and wheels from my storage area and moving them to another storage locatio=
n in my shop so I will have ample time to examine them since I have not loo=
ked at them since I put the LAT 70 ones on my car in 1968. &nbsp;Right now,=
 I am thinking, and I may be wrong, but, the back side of my wheel are same=
 color as the front side and not black or any other color. &nbsp;&nbsp;When=
 I am done with moving parts around, I will post any new info I glean &nbsp=
;to help muddy the water some more.</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">In any case, someone with an idea on how to post=
 to the cat forums, lemme know=E2=80=A6</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Drmayf</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Aka Larry</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">TWFS: 204.913 mph flying mile on the salt</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">And 210.779 mph out the back door.</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">The dedicated race Car, not my Tiger, &nbsp;has =
been sold to another LSR racer of sorts.</p>
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From: "Larry Mayfield" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 27 May 2022 06:01:56 -0700

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Gary, thanks  to you and everyone else  who replied!  This was not =
available when I logged on yesterday. It is there now and is what I had =
expected to see. I am not a noob at this, lol=E2=80=A6 But it was =
frustrating when I could not get the =E2=80=9Cpost thread=E2=80=9D or =
similar button.  Now I can and for no  reason, lol, I have done nothing =
new.  =20

 I say that because I didn=E2=80=99t turn my PC off to reload the OS or =
anything  else. Just is here today. And I had looked at just about every =
sub forum on the site.  So maybe it loves me again..

=20

Mayf

And again, many thanks, all!=20

=20

=20

From: GARY WINBLAD <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:02 PM
To: Larry Mayfield <[email-masked]>; Tiger's List =
<[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wheels, Lugs and Paint...

=20

Hi Mayf,=20

Go to the forum you want to post in.=20

=20

Look at the upper right, button called "Post thread".. in brown/orange.=20

Gary=20

=20

On 05/26/2022 4:53 PM Larry Mayfield <[email-masked] =

=20

=20

You know I have been a member of CAT continuously since 1974 and off and =
on between 1967 and 1974. Lotta years and subjects under the bridges.. I =
believe some of ya=E2=80=99ll are CAT members as well and I need some =
assistance with the forum on the CAT web site.  I logged on using my =
official user name and pass word, updated just last year but I will be =
danged if I can where and how to post anything to any of the forum =
areas. Any help out there?

=20

This is just me thinking out loud now. Your, MMV, lol. And everything is =
subject to an 80 year old=E2=80=99s fogy memory.  I still have my =
original steel wheels from when I purchased the car, admittedly used in =
Jan 1967 with 11K miles on it, and the wheels are what was on the car at =
that time. Oh< my Tiger is a MK I with last four numbers being 1136.  =
So, I am guessing that they are OEM and specific to this car.  They are =
of course the 13 inch, 4 lug wheels that use 7/16th inch  studs and =
tapered shoulder nuts to keep them on the car.  I had and had a notion =
that the wheels are NOT lug centric, but hub centric, to keeping them =
centered on the hubs. I say that because the aftermarket wheels i.e. LAT =
70 and others,  use the hubs to center the wheels since the lugs are =
straight shanked nuts without taper.  Hub centric is a n brainer. The =
wheel is made to fit the hub and the hub is a machined part made to =
assure that the wheel is centered.  The tapered lugs have a couple of =
purposes I suppose, one is that the lug centers the wheel mounting hole =
on the studs and that the tapes is linger than a flat cut nut giving =
more gripping area and requiring more force to remove it due to metal to =
metal friction as the clamping force applied ty the torque wrench  being =
used by the installer.  Another think that comes to mind for me anyway, =
is that the studs and nuts are a bit finer thread that the regular =
coarse thread s and they are =E2=80=9Cfine threads=E2=80=9D. With a =
taper, a single turn of the nut to loosen, will move the nut off the =
wheel a distance of  the sine of the taper angle times the thread pitch =
distance. And for sure no paint on the faying surfaces.  The twist of =
the nut against the paint will most likely on the first torque down =
destroy that thin paint layer and it should be retorques a bit after it =
has run down the road.   Tomorrow I will be removing the OEM beauty =
rings, hub caps, and wheels from my storage area and moving them to =
another storage location in my shop so I will have ample time to examine =
them since I have not looked at them since I put the LAT 70 ones on my =
car in 1968.  Right now, I am thinking, and I may be wrong, but, the =
back side of my wheel are same color as the front side and not black or =
any other color.   When I am done with moving parts around, I will post =
any new info I glean  to help muddy the water some more.

=20

In any case, someone with an idea on how to post to the cat forums, =
lemme know=E2=80=A6

=20

Drmayf

Aka Larry

=20

The dedicated race Car, not my Tiger,  has been sold to another LSR =
racer of sorts.

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Gary, thanks =C2=A0to you and =
everyone else =C2=A0who replied!=C2=A0 This was not available when I =
logged on yesterday. It is there now and is what I had expected to see. =
I am not a noob at this, lol=E2=80=A6 But it was frustrating when I =
could not get the =E2=80=9Cpost thread=E2=80=9D or similar button.=C2=A0 =
Now I can and for no =C2=A0reason, lol, I have done nothing new. =
=C2=A0=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=C2=A0I say that because =
I didn=E2=80=99t turn my PC off to reload the OS or anything =C2=A0else. =
Just is here today. And I had looked at just about every sub forum on =
the site. =C2=A0So maybe it loves me again..<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Mayf<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>And again, =
many thanks, all! <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> GARY WINBLAD =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 26, 2022 =
3:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> Larry Mayfield &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Tiger's =
List &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] =
Wheels, Lugs and Paint...<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi =
Mayf, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Go to the forum you =
want to post in. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Look at the upper right, button called <span =
style=3D'color:red;background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow'>&quot;Post =
thread&quot;</span><span style=3D'color:red'>.. </span>in brown/orange. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Gary =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 05/26/2022 4:53 PM Larry Mayfield &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>You know I =
have been a member of CAT continuously since 1974 and off and on between =
1967 and 1974. Lotta years and subjects under the bridges.. I believe =
some of ya=E2=80=99ll are CAT members as well and I need some assistance =
with the forum on the CAT web site. &nbsp;I logged on using my official =
user name and pass word, updated just last year but I will be danged if =
I can where and how to post anything to any of the forum areas. Any help =
out there?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This is =
just me thinking out loud now. Your, MMV, lol. And everything is subject =
to an 80 year old=E2=80=99s fogy memory. &nbsp;I still have my original =
steel wheels from when I purchased the car, admittedly used in Jan 1967 =
with 11K miles on it, and the wheels are what was on the car at that =
time. Oh&lt; my Tiger is a MK I with last four numbers being 1136. =
&nbsp;So, I am guessing that they are OEM and specific to this =
car.&nbsp; They are of course the 13 inch, 4 lug wheels that use =
7/16<sup>th</sup> inch &nbsp;studs and tapered shoulder nuts to keep =
them on the car. &nbsp;I had and had a notion that the wheels are NOT =
lug centric, but hub centric, to keeping them centered on the hubs. I =
say that because the aftermarket wheels i.e. LAT 70 and others, =
&nbsp;use the hubs to center the wheels since the lugs are straight =
shanked nuts without taper. &nbsp;Hub centric is a n brainer. The wheel =
is made to fit the hub and the hub is a machined part made to assure =
that the wheel is centered. &nbsp;The tapered lugs have a couple of =
purposes I suppose, one is that the lug centers the wheel mounting hole =
on the studs and that the tapes is linger than a flat cut nut giving =
more gripping area and requiring more force to remove it due to metal to =
metal friction as the clamping force applied ty the torque wrench&nbsp; =
being used by the installer. &nbsp;Another think that comes to mind for =
me anyway, is that the studs and nuts are a bit finer thread that the =
regular coarse thread s and they are =E2=80=9Cfine threads=E2=80=9D. =
With a taper, a single turn of the nut to loosen, will move the nut off =
the wheel a distance of &nbsp;the sine of the taper angle times the =
thread pitch distance. And for sure no paint on the faying =
surfaces.&nbsp; The twist of the nut against the paint will most likely =
on the first torque down destroy that thin paint layer and it should be =
retorques a bit after it has run down the road. &nbsp;&nbsp;Tomorrow I =
will be removing the OEM beauty rings, hub caps, and wheels from my =
storage area and moving them to another storage location in my shop so I =
will have ample time to examine them since I have not looked at them =
since I put the LAT 70 ones on my car in 1968. &nbsp;Right now, I am =
thinking, and I may be wrong, but, the back side of my wheel are same =
color as the front side and not black or any other color. =
&nbsp;&nbsp;When I am done with moving parts around, I will post any new =
info I glean &nbsp;to help muddy the water some more.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>In any =
case, someone with an idea on how to post to the cat forums, lemme =
know=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Drmayf<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Aka =
Larry<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>TWFS: =
204.913 mph flying mile on the salt<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>And 210.779 =
mph out the back door.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The =
dedicated race Car, not my Tiger, &nbsp;has been sold to another LSR =
racer of sorts.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>__________________________________________=
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