Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

From: Will Seay via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 11:00:48 -0400

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I saw that Tiger on eBay too.  Looked like a very original car.  I noted
though that the plug wires were numbered wrong (pic attached).  You would
think that for $135K that they could number the plug wires correctly.

Will - 382001570
[email-masked]

On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 10:22 AM Allan Ballard via Tigers <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> I'm guessing the purpose of a flat screw is to avoid damage being
> inflicted upon the rubber trunk seal which is immediately below.
>
> Whether it should be painted or not, my sparse few examples are not
> reliable to say.
>
> It occurs to me that leaving it unpainted makes practical sense given its
> contact with the rubber trunk seal, which would rub off the paint over ti=
me.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Lindner
> Sent: May 14, 2022 8:36 AM
> To: Ron Fraser
> Cc: Allan Ballard ,
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>
> Just to confuse the matter more=E2=80=A6there is a supposedly all-origina=
l
> survivor for sale on eBay. In the photo of the trunk it shows the hinge
> screws as NOT painted=E2=80=A6but the studs are painted.
>
> I know the claim of all original could be suspect, but thought it was
> worth sharing.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On May 14, 2022, at 8:05 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:
> >
> > Allan
> > The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.
> >
> > The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
> > The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.
> >
> > The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the
> trunk
> > hinge
> > 2203571 Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
> > This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the
> word
> > Special is not there.
> >
> > This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.
> >
> > Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license
> plate
> > screw.
> >
> > I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.
> >
> > Ron Fraser
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tigers On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
> > Tigers
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
> > To: Jay Laifman
> > Cc: Tiger List List
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
> >
> > These are going on my Forest
> > Green Mk1a Tiger:
> >
> >
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I s=
aw that Tiger on eBay too.=C2=A0 Looked like a very original car.=C2=A0 I n=
oted though that the plug wires were numbered wrong (pic attached).=C2=A0 Y=
ou would think that for $135K that they could number the plug wires correct=
ly.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><=
div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_sign=
ature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Will - 382001570 <br><a href=3D"mailto:Tigers@embar=
qmail.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div></div></div><br=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 10:22 AM Allan Ballard via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I&#39;m guessing the purp=
ose of a flat screw is to avoid damage being inflicted upon the rubber trun=
k seal which is immediately below.<br>
=C2=A0<br>
Whether it should be painted or not, my sparse few examples are not reliabl=
e to say.<br>
=C2=A0<br>
It occurs to me that leaving it unpainted makes practical sense given its c=
ontact with the rubber trunk seal, which would rub off the paint over time.=
<br>
=C2=A0<br>
=C2=A0<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: James Lindner <br>
Sent: May 14, 2022 8:36 AM<br>
To: Ron Fraser <br>
Cc: Allan Ballard , <br>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners<br>
=C2=A0<br>
Just to confuse the matter more=E2=80=A6there is a supposedly all-original =
survivor for sale on eBay. In the photo of the trunk it shows the hinge scr=
ews as NOT painted=E2=80=A6but the studs are painted.<br>
=C2=A0<br>
I know the claim of all original could be suspect, but thought it was worth=
 sharing.<br>
=C2=A0<br>
Jim<br>
=C2=A0<br>
=C2=A0<br>
=C2=A0<br>
=C2=A0<br>
Sent from my iPad<br>
=C2=A0<br>
&gt; On May 14, 2022, at 8:05 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Allan<br>
&gt; The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.<br>
&gt; The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I &amp; II section for t=
he trunk<br>
&gt; hinge<br>
&gt; 2203571 Screw, 1/4&quot; UNF. X 1/2&quot; Special<br>
&gt; This screw is also listed for the Series III &amp; IV trunk hinge but =
the word<br>
&gt; Special is not there.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license=
 plate<br>
&gt; screw.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Ron Fraser<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Tigers On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via<br>
&gt; Tigers<br>
&gt; Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM<br>
&gt; To: Jay Laifman<br>
&gt; Cc: Tiger List List<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; These are going on my Forest<br>
&gt; Green Mk1a Tiger:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
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From: Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 08:32:47 -0700

When one considers the hinge is chrome, not body color it stands to 
reason that the body and trunk (boot) were painted and then the three 
pieces assembled. IF..., in fact the stud is painted at the factory it 
might be that the topside was painted, the hinge attached by the stud 
only and then hung to paint the underside. Just a guess but at least a 
possibility (not trying to create a big hammer on the firewall urban 
legend here).

On 5/14/2022 7:22 AM, Allan Ballard via Tigers wrote:
> I'm guessing the purpose of a flat screw is to avoid damage being inflicted upon the rubber trunk seal which is immediately below.
>   
> Whether it should be painted or not, my sparse few examples are not reliable to say.
>   
> It occurs to me that leaving it unpainted makes practical sense given its contact with the rubber trunk seal, which would rub off the paint over time.
>   
>   
> Just to confuse the matter more…there is a supposedly all-original survivor for sale on eBay. In the photo of the trunk it shows the hinge screws as NOT painted…but the studs are painted.
>   
> I know the claim of all original could be suspect, but thought it was worth sharing.
>   
> Jim
>   
>   
>   
>   
> Sent from my iPad
>   
>> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
>> hinge
>> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
>> Special is not there.
>>
>> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
>> screw.
>>
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From: Douglas Lyle via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 15:50:38 +0000 (UTC)

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 There is some truth to the hammer on the firewall.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I can tell =
you that the Shelby Prototype Tiger still has the indented hammer marks in =
the firewall from when it went back to Shelby to get a 289 installed.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 I can also tell you George Boskoff hated that modification and told =
me I needed to fix it before taking the car to Tigers United.=C2=A0=C2=A0 H=
e didn't want anyone thinking that it was him making that modification as h=
e would have done it with a little more finesse.

Jere Kirkpatrick - installation of a HiPo 289 in the Shelby Sunbeam Tiger P=
rototype.

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reason that the body and trunk (boot) were painted and then the three=20
pieces assembled. IF..., in fact the stud is painted at the factory it=20
might be that the topside was painted, the hinge attached by the stud=20
only and then hung to paint the underside. Just a guess but at least a=20
possibility (not trying to create a big hammer on the firewall urban=20
legend here).

On 5/14/2022 7:22 AM, Allan Ballard via Tigers wrote:
> I'm guessing the purpose of a flat screw is to avoid damage being inflict=
ed upon the rubber trunk seal which is immediately below.
>=C2=A0=20
> Whether it should be painted or not, my sparse few examples are not relia=
ble to say.
>=C2=A0=20
> It occurs to me that leaving it unpainted makes practical sense given its=
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e.
>=C2=A0=20
>=C2=A0=20
>=C2=A0=20
l survivor for sale on eBay. In the photo of the trunk it shows the hinge s=
crews as NOT painted=E2=80=A6but the studs are painted.
>=C2=A0=20
> I know the claim of all original could be suspect, but thought it was wor=
th sharing.
>=C2=A0=20
>=C2=A0=20
>=C2=A0=20
>=C2=A0=20
>=C2=A0=20
>=C2=A0=20
>> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the tru=
nk
>> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the wo=
rd
>> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license p=
late
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                <div><div dir=3D"ltr">When one considers the hinge is chrom=
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mbled. IF..., in fact the stud is painted at the factory it <br clear=3D"no=
ne">might be that the topside was painted, the hinge attached by the stud <=
br clear=3D"none">only and then hung to paint the underside. Just a guess b=
ut at least a <br clear=3D"none">possibility (not trying to create a big ha=
mmer on the firewall urban <br clear=3D"none">legend here).<br clear=3D"non=
e"><br clear=3D"none">On 5/14/2022 7:22 AM, Allan Ballard via Tigers wrote:=
<br clear=3D"none">&gt; I'm guessing the purpose of a flat screw is to avoi=
d damage being inflicted upon the rubber trunk seal which is immediately be=
low.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&nbsp;  <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Whether it shoul=
d be painted or not, my sparse few examples are not reliable to say.<br cle=
ar=3D"none">&gt;&nbsp;  <br clear=3D"none">&gt; It occurs to me that leavin=
g it unpainted makes practical sense given its contact with the rubber trun=
k seal, which would rub off the paint over time.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&nbs=
p;  <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&nbsp;  <br clear=3D"none">&gt; -----Original Me=
ssage-----<br clear=3D"none">&gt; From: James Lindner<br clear=3D"none">&gt=
; Sent: May 14, 2022 8:36 AM<br clear=3D"none">&gt; To: Ron Fraser<br clear=
=3D"none">&gt; Cc: Allan Ballard ,<br clear=3D"none">&gt; Subject: Re: [Tig=
ers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&nbsp;  <br clear=
=3D"none">&gt; Just to confuse the matter more=E2=80=A6there is a supposedl=
y all-original survivor for sale on eBay. In the photo of the trunk it show=
s the hinge screws as NOT painted=E2=80=A6but the studs are painted.<br cle=
ar=3D"none">&gt;&nbsp;  <br clear=3D"none">&gt; I know the claim of all ori=
ginal could be suspect, but thought it was worth sharing.<br clear=3D"none"=
>&gt;&nbsp;  <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Jim<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&nbsp;  <br =
clear=3D"none">&gt;&nbsp;  <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&nbsp;  <br clear=3D"none=
">&gt;&nbsp;  <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Sent from my iPad<br clear=3D"none">&=
gt;&nbsp;  <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; On May 14, 2022, at 8:05 AM, Ron Fra=
ser wrote:<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; Allan<br c=
lear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is =
not correct.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; The fast=
eners should be natural color, not painted.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; The =
trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.<br clear=3D"non=
e">&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; The March 1963 shows this screw in t=
he Series I &amp; II section for the trunk<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; hinge=
<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; 2203571 Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special<br clea=
r=3D"none">&gt;&gt; This screw is also listed for the Series III &amp; IV t=
runk hinge but the word<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; Special is not there.<br=
 clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; This screw # does not s=
how up in the ZY section of the Parts List.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;<br c=
lear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw m=
uch like a license plate<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; screw.<br clear=3D"none=
">&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; I know my trunk hinge fasteners are n=
ot original so no help there.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">=
&gt;&gt; Ron Fraser<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;<b=
r clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">&gt;=
&gt; From: Tigers On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;=
 Tigers<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM<br =
clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; To: Jay Laifman<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; Cc: Tige=
r List List<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk =
hinge fasteners<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; These=
 are going on my Forest<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; Green Mk1a Tiger:<br cle=
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