Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 07:59:12 -0400

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Jim

                Excellent, period photos are valuable for original =
details.

Any chance you know the month and year of that R&T issue or maybe the =
Vin # of that Mk II?

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Ron Fraser

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From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via =
Tigers
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:39 PM
To: Allan Ballard <[email-masked]>; James Lindner =
<[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

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I have an 8 X 10 B&W photo of a MKII engine compartment and trunk taken =
by Road & Track when they tested the car.  You used to be able to buy =
copies of the pictures from them for a few bucks.  I requested copies of =
the MKI, but they couldn't find them.

=20

Jim D

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Sent from my Galaxy

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-------- Original message --------

From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <[email-masked] =

Date: 5/15/22 7:36 PM (GMT-05:00)=20

Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners=20

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Jim=E2=80=99s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.

=20

A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help =
however, deepening the substances of  his primary resource.

=20

A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II =
Tiger.

=20

They offered its use for just such purposes as we=E2=80=99ve discussed =
here.

=20

Unfortunately I lost their card.

=20

Other opportunities exist.

=20

=20

=20

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers =

=EF=BB=BFAlong the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the =
Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents =
took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of =
restored cars, the information contained within came from some of the =
most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is =
absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.

=20

The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too =
deep.=20

=20

https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickRefer=
enceV2-19.pdf

=20

The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.

=20

https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Gui=
de-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf

These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be =
adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other =
updates/corrections. OBTW=E2=80=A6I am going with unpainted hinge =
fasteners.

=20

Jim Lindner

=20

=20

Sent from my iPad

On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <[email-masked] =

=EF=BB=BFMayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on =
the List
received it.

What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
original Tiger to send photos to the List.

Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and =
B3821.
I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal =
and
stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge.  None are
painted.  And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint
shops knew not to paint them.=20

mayf

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <[email-masked] =
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM
To: 'Allan Ballard' <[email-masked] =
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

Allan
   The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.

The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.

The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the =
trunk
hinge
2203571    Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the =
word
Special is not there.

This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.

Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license =
plate
screw.

I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <[email-masked] =
Tigers
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
Cc: Tiger List List <[email-masked] =
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

These are going on my Forest
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jim<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Excellent, period photos are valuable =
for original details.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Any chance you =
know the month and year of that R&amp;T issue or maybe the Vin # of that =
Mk II?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>jimdamelio via =
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> Allan =
Ballard &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; James Lindner =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk =
hinge fasteners<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have =
an 8 X 10 B&amp;W photo of a MKII engine compartment and trunk taken by =
Road &amp; Track when they tested the car.&nbsp; You used to be able to =
buy copies of the pictures from them for a few bucks.&nbsp; I requested =
copies of the MKI, but they couldn't find =
them.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jim D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div =
id=3D"composer_signature"><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:#575757'>Sent from my =
Galaxy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>-------- Original message =
--------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>From: Allan Ballard via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Date: 5/15/22 7:36 PM (GMT-05:00) =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>To: James Lindner &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Cc: <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge =
fasteners <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jim=E2=80=99s work to document Tigers and Alpines is =
extraordinary.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>A =
library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help =
however, deepening the substances of &nbsp;his primary =
resource.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>A =
while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II =
Tiger.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>They offered its use for just such purposes as =
we=E2=80=99ve discussed here.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Unfortunately I lost their =
card.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Other opportunities exist.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent =
from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James =
Lindner via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BFAlong the lines of a photo library, I would =
direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. =
These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos =
are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from =
some of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear =
it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty =
close.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages =
it does not go too deep.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQu=
ickReferenceV2-19.pdf">https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/=
08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and =
runs to 130 pages.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Jud=
ging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf">https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uplo=
ads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf</a><br><br>These =
are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding =
the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other =
updates/corrections. OBTW=E2=80=A6I am going with unpainted hinge =
fasteners.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jim Lindner<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent =
from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>=EF=BB=BFMayf sent me this note and I =
wanted to make sure everyone on the List<br>received it.<br><br>What I =
think we need is a photo record from any original owner with =
an<br>original Tiger to send photos to the List.<br><br>Photos of each =
Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.<br>I also =
think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.<br><br>Ron =
Fraser<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Larry Mayfield &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br>Sent: =
Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM<br>To: 'Ron Fraser' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Subj=
ect: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners<br><br>Ron, mine are =
OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and<br>stud =
and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge. &nbsp;None =
are<br>painted. &nbsp;And my car has been painted 3 times since I =
acquired it. Paint<br>shops knew not to paint them. =
<br><br>mayf<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Ron Fraser<br>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 =
AM<br>To: 'Allan Ballard' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
Cc: <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>Subjec=
t: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners<br><br>Allan<br>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not =
correct.<br><br>The fasteners should be natural color, not =
painted.<br>The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then =
installed.<br><br>The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I &amp; =
II section for the trunk<br>hinge<br>2203571 &nbsp; &nbsp;Screw, =
1/4&quot; UNF. X 1/2&quot; Special<br>This screw is also listed for the =
Series III &amp; IV trunk hinge but the word<br>Special is not =
there.<br><br>This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the =
Parts List.<br><br>Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw =
much like a license plate<br>screw.<br><br>I know my trunk hinge =
fasteners are not original so no help there.<br><br>Ron =
Fraser<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via<br>Tigers<br>Sent: Saturday, =
May 14, 2022 1:39 AM<br>To: Jay Laifman &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Cc=
: Tiger List List &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Su=
bject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners<br><br>These are going =
on my Forest<br>Green Mk1a =
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From: James Lindner <[email-masked]>
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Allan

If you do not mind, I will add the MkII period photos to the Tiger guide. If=
 OK and you have any more period photos of Tigers please pass them along. I t=
ried making copies of the photos in the articles online, but a photo of a co=
py and then enlarging just does not work.

Thanks

Jim

Sent from my iPad

> On May 15, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Allan Ballard <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>=20
> =EF=BB=BFJim=E2=80=99s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinar=
y.
>=20
> A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help h=
owever, deepening the substances of  his primary resource.
>=20
> A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Ti=
ger.
>=20
> They offered its use for just such purposes as we=E2=80=99ve discussed her=
e.
>>> On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <[email-masked]=
m.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFAlong the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Ti=
ger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me y=
ears to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, th=
e information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tige=
r and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it i=
s pretty close.
>>=20
>> The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too d=
eep.=20
enceV2-19.pdf
de-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf
>>=20
>> These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be ad=
ding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corre=
ctions. OBTW=E2=80=A6I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.
>>=20
>> Jim Lindner
>>=20
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPad
>>=20
>>>> On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wrote:
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>>> Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B38=
21.
>>> From: Larry Mayfield <[email-masked]>=20
>>> To: 'Ron Fraser' <[email-masked]>
>>> Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal a=
nd
>>> painted.  And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint=

>>> From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
>>> To: 'Allan Ballard' <[email-masked]>
>>> Cc: [email-masked]
>>> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the tru=
nk
>>> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the wo=
rd
>>> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license p=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Allan<div><br></div><div>If you do not mind=
, I will add the MkII period photos to the Tiger guide. If OK and you have a=
ny more period photos of Tigers please pass them along. I tried making copie=
s of the photos in the articles online, but a photo of a copy and then enlar=
ging just does not work.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div><br></div=
><div>Jim<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 15, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Allan Ballard &lt;a=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D=
"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Jim=E2=80=99s work to document Tigers and Alpin=
es is extraordinary.<div><br><div>A library of supplemental photographs from=
 original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of &nbsp;hi=
s primary resource.</div><div><br></div><div>A while ago at a show I met a c=
ouple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.</div><div><br></div><div>The=
y offered its use for just such purposes as we=E2=80=99ve discussed here.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Unfortunately I lost their card.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Other opportunities exist.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite">On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers &lt;tige=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"=
text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Along the lines of a photo library, I would dire=
ct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These doc=
uments took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of r=
estored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most kn=
owledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% ac=
curate, but it is pretty close.<div><br></div><div>The Tiger guide was my fi=
rst effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep.&nbsp;</div><div><br></d=
iv><div><a href=3D"https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Stoc=
kTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf">https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/=
2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>The A=
lpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.</div><div>=
<br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/=
09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf">https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-=
content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf</a><br><b=
r>These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be add=
ing the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/correc=
tions. OBTW=E2=80=A6I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.</div><div><br=
></div><div>Jim Lindner</div><div><br></div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent f=
rom my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 15, 2=
022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></bl=
ockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>May=
f sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List</span><br=
><span>received it.</span><br><span></span><br><span>What I think we need is=
 a photo record from any original owner with an</span><br><span>original Tig=
er to send photos to the List.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Photos of ea=
ch Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.</span><br><s=
pan>I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.</span><br><s=
pan></span><br><span>Ron Fraser</span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Origin=
al Message-----</span><br><span>From: Larry Mayfield &lt;[email-masked]&g=
t; </span><br><span>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM</span><br><span>To=
: 'Ron Fraser' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</span><br><span>Subject: RE: [Ti=
gers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners</span><br><span></span><br><span>Ron, mi=
ne are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and</span><=
br><span>stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge. &nbsp;=
None are</span><br><span>painted. &nbsp;And my car has been painted 3 times s=
ince I acquired it. Paint</span><br><span>shops knew not to paint them. </sp=
an><br><span></span><br><span>mayf</span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Ori=
ginal Message-----</span><br><span>From: Tigers &lt;[email-masked]=
m.net&gt; On Behalf Of Ron Fraser</span><br><span>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 20=
22 4:56 AM</span><br><span>To: 'Allan Ballard' &lt;[email-masked]&gt=
;</span><br><span>Cc: [email-masked]</span><br><span>Subject: Re: [Ti=
gers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners</span><br><span></span><br><span>Allan</=
span><br><span> &nbsp; &nbsp;The photo evidence indicates that the Parts Lis=
t is not correct.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The fasteners should be n=
atural color, not painted.</span><br><span>The trunk lid would be painted 1s=
t, paint cured then installed.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The March 19=
63 shows this screw in the Series I &amp; II section for the trunk</span><br=
><span>hinge</span><br><span>2203571 &nbsp; &nbsp;Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Sp=
ecial</span><br><span>This screw is also listed for the Series III &amp; IV t=
runk hinge but the word</span><br><span>Special is not there.</span><br><spa=
n></span><br><span>This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Pa=
rts List.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Your pictures look like a large h=
eaded Round Screw much like a license plate</span><br><span>screw.</span><br=
><span></span><br><span>I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so n=
o help there.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Ron Fraser</span><br><span></=
span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br><span>From:=
 Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via=
</span><br><span>Tigers</span><br><span>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM=
</span><br><span>To: Jay Laifman &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</span><br><sp=
an>Cc: Tiger List List &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</span><br><span>Subject=
: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners</span><br><span></span><br><spa=
n>These are going on my Forest</span><br><span>Green Mk1a Tiger:</span><br><=
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