Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

From: steve wick via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 14:30:37 +0000

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I'd still like to see what the stock bracket looks like, just for reference=
. The only thing I can find online is this one from England, but it looks l=
ike it might have at most 3 mounting holes and my car frame had/ has 4.

Steve

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From: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 3:01 PM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <jbbrown=
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

I think what you're suggesting would work better than trying to replicate t=
he stock set up.
Mike

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From: steve wick <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; Michael Wood <mwood24020=
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Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <MTaylor@=
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Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 2:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

I've emailed Tom in the past, and he does make a nice kit. My car had the "=
typical" ripped frame rail in addition to the parts being missing. Without =
knowing about Tom's kit in 2008, what I did was make a plate with coupling =
nuts welded to the surface of it in the proper locations, opened up the hol=
e in the inner frame rail a little more and welded the plate to the inside =
of the outer frame half. I then made a flat plate with holes that fit over,=
 but flush with the end of the coupling nuts and butt welded that to the in=
ner frame rail half and the outside circumference of the coupling nuts. It =
looks like an undamaged flat frame section with threaded bosses for the pan=
hard bar bracket bolts to go into, but is reinforced and connected to both =
sides of the frame rail. That's why I was looking for just the bracket and =
bar, but either I was unaware of or had forgotten about the angle/alignment=
 issue. It sounds like what I should just do at this point is put my car up=
 on the lift and custom build a bracket and bar, located so the bar is para=
llel with the ground and not at an angle.

Steve

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From: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:01 AM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <srwi=
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Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <MTaylor@=
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

If you guys are going to put Panhard bars back on, I'd suggest getting one =
of Tom Hall's kits which helps with the bar angle and addresses mount area =
issues.

tigerengineering.net

Mike

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From: Joe Brown <[email-masked]>
To: steve wick <[email-masked]>
Cc: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <tigers@autox.=
team.net>; Taylor, Matthew <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:55 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

I would also like pictures or drawings.

Thanks,
Joe Brown

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 9:50 AM steve wick via Tigers <[email-masked]=
On a slightly different note, my Tiger is missing the panhard bar and mount=
ing bracket. I've looked off and on for several years and never found one. =
I know I can get a reinforced bracket that welds in, but don't run my car h=
ard and prefer "factory". If anyone has a bar and bracket laying around and=
 wants to sell, or if I could get pictures and measurements of both so I co=
uld replicate them, please email me off list. I have a Mk1 with the bracket=
 on the right side. Thanks guys.

Steve

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m.net>> on behalf of Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <[email-masked]<mail=
to:[email-masked]>>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:07 AM
[email-masked]>>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

I don=92t know about =93total grip capability,=94 but you have seen my dad =
drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.  I=92ve driven a=
nd autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear swa=
y bar and they both handle great but different.  A good driver can adjust t=
o the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one i=
s much faster than the other.  It=92s possible that one could be faster tha=
n the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a=
 second based on my autocross experiences.

Matthew

m.net>> On Behalf Of Michael Wood via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've ye=
t to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angl=
es, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that=
 made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.

Mike

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m.net>>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option o=
r not?  Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures =
of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?

Thanks

Joel Martin

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I'd still like to see what the stock bracket looks like, just for reference=
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I've emailed Tom in the past, and he does make a nice kit. My car had the &=
quot;typical&quot; ripped frame rail in addition to the parts being missing=
. Without knowing about Tom's kit in 2008, what I did was make a plate with=
 coupling nuts welded to the surface of it
 in the proper locations, opened up the hole in the inner frame rail a litt=
le more and welded the plate to the inside of the outer frame half. I then =
made a flat plate with holes that fit over, but flush with the end of the c=
oupling nuts and butt welded that
 to the inner frame rail half and the outside circumference of the coupling=
 nuts. It looks like an undamaged flat frame section with threaded bosses f=
or the panhard bar bracket bolts to go into, but is reinforced and connecte=
d to both sides of the frame rail.
 That's why I was looking for just the bracket and bar, but either I was un=
aware of or had forgotten about the angle/alignment issue. It sounds like w=
hat I should just do at this point is put my car up on the lift and custom =
build a bracket and bar, located
 so the bar is parallel with the ground and not at an angle.</div>
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If you guys are going to put Panhard bars back on, I'd suggest getting one =
of Tom Hall's kits which helps with the bar angle and addresses mount area =
issues.&nbsp;</div>
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
On a slightly different note, my Tiger is missing the panhard bar and mount=
ing bracket. I've looked off and on for several years and never found one. =
I know I can get a reinforced bracket that welds in, but don't run my car h=
ard and prefer &quot;factory&quot;. If anyone
 has a bar and bracket laying around and wants to sell, or if I could get p=
ictures and measurements of both so I could replicate them, please email me=
 off list. I have a Mk1 with the bracket on the right side. Thanks&nbsp;guy=
s.</div>
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"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tige=
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:07 AM<br clear=3D"none">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span>
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I don=92t know about =93total grip capability,=94 but you have seen my dad =
drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.&nbsp; I=92ve dri=
ven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rea=
r sway bar and they both handle great but different.&nbsp;
 A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of the dif=
ferences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.&nbsp; It=92s possi=
ble that one could be faster than the other depending on the type of course=
, but it would be fractions of a second
 based on my autocross experiences.</p>
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&nbsp;</p>
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Matthew</p>
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<b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"re=
ct" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tigers-=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Wood via Tigers<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D=
"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">
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<span style=3D"font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">L=
ike said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet=
 to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angle=
s, adjustability etc used in conjunction
 with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total =
grip capability.&nbsp;</span></p>
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ike<br clear=3D"none">
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ape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tigers=
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To: Tiger List Serve &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"r=
ect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
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Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:12pt; font-family:Garamond,serif; color:black">Was=
 a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or n=
ot?&nbsp; Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some picture=
s of how they were suppose to be mounted
 and installed?</span></p>
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