Subject: Re: [Tigers] PCV summary

From: Will Seay via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 22:50:34 -0400

--===============0224692475891948801==

--0000000000003645e005ce0acdf2
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ron,
My IA, 382001570, came with a PCV valve with a hose fitting.  I'm the
original owner and I know it came that way.  That style of PCV valve must
have been introduced before the MKII and the 289.  I suspect that it
appeared at about the same time that the B19KC engine was introduced.  My
engine is a numbers-matching B19KC.

Will - 382001570
[email-masked]

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 3:38 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]=
t>
wrote:

> *Parts List 6601131            Mk I*
>
> 6100538                C3DE-6A664-A                   Hose =E2=80=93 PCV
>
> 6100669                97331-S                                Clips =E2=
=80=93 Hose
>
> 6100215                C3TZ-6A666-A                    Valve assembly =E2=
=80=93 *this
> is the early style PCV valve with threads*
>
> 6100667                378754                                  Adaptor =
=E2=80=93
> this is the brass part
>
> 6100668                378766-S                              Adaptor =E2=
=80=93
> this is the rubber grommet in the valve cover
>
>
>
> *Parts List 6601334            Mk II*
>
> 6100979                C3AZ-6A664-A                   Hose =E2=80=93 PCV
>
> 6100669                97331-S                                Clips =E2=
=80=93 Hose
>
> 6100825                C5AZ-6A666-A                   Valve assembly =E2=
=80=93 *this
> is the later style PCV valve with hose fitting*
>
> 6100667                378754                                  Adaptor =
=E2=80=93
> this is the brass part *=E2=80=93 not correct for PCV valve with hose fit=
ting*
>
> 6100668                378766-S                              Adaptor =E2=
=80=93
> this is the rubber grommet
>
>
>
> *There are some problems with these Ford part numbers.*
>
> C3DE-6A664-A is wrong =E2=80=93 this hose is 3 5/64=E2=80=9D long accordi=
ng to the Ford
> Master Parts Catalog =E2=80=93 this is a 1963 PCV system hose
>
> C3AZ-6A664-A is wrong =E2=80=93 this is bulk hose =E2=80=93 bulk hose wou=
ld be horrible
> for this short distance
>
>
>
> I don=E2=80=99t know the correct Ford part numbers for either hose.
>
> The PCV hose available today is C6AZ-6A664-N with 2 right angle bends.
> This hose can be cut for the brass adaptor style hose.
>
> *See pcv hose picture* from Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> Brass adaptor was made by Weatherhead.           *See picture from Terry
> Packer with Weatherhead Logo*
>
>
>
> Correct brass Adaptor and PCV valves =E2=80=93 *see picture from David Fr=
anchi* =E2=80=93
> also note that the PCV valve could have AC Spark Plug stamped on it
>
>
>
> Derek Daily has stated the his early B19KC engine has the brass adaptor
> part.  This seems to support that all 260 engines had the brass Adaptor.
>
>
>
> I have been told that some Mk II engines have the brass adaptor part.
> This should only be possible if Ford stock piled this part for the Tiger
> engine build and they changed to the later style PCV valve system only
> after using up the brass adaptor parts.   Since the Mk II Parts List is
> vague about this and the Mk II Service Manual shows a cleaning procedure
> for the PCV valve.    I can see how anyone not an original owner could be
> confused and purchase the brass adaptor thinking it was correct.
>
> I=E2=80=99m guessing that some of this confusion with the Parts List is d=
ue to
> Chrysler=E2=80=99s involvement with the Rootes Group and the reassignment=
 of
> personnel to other programs.   Well, great discussion, I think we all
> learned something but I=E2=80=99m sure there are more questions too.
>
> Thanks to all for their input.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> [email-masked]
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
> http://autox.team.net/archive
>
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]
>
>
>

--0000000000003645e005ce0acdf2
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Ron=
,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">My IA, 382001=
570, came with a PCV valve with a hose fitting.=C2=A0 I&#39;m the original =
owner and I know it came that way.=C2=A0 That style of PCV valve must have =
been introduced before the MKII and the 289.=C2=A0 I suspect that it appear=
ed at about the same time that the B19KC engine was introduced.=C2=A0 My en=
gine is a numbers-matching B19KC.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signatu=
re" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Will - 382001570 <b=
r><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Tigers@embarqm=
ail.com</a></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 3:38 PM Ron Fraser=
 via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e=
x"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-6668489733730617411WordSectio=
n1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Parts List 6601131=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Mk I<u></u><u></u></b></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">6100538=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 C3DE-6A664-A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Hose =E2=80=93 PCV<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">610=
0669=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 97331-S=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Clips =
=E2=80=93 Hose <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">6100215=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 C3TZ-6A666-A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Valve assembly =
=E2=80=93 <b>this is the early style PCV valve with threads</b><u></u><u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">6100667=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 378754=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Adaptor =E2=80=93 this is the brass part<=
u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">6100668=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 378766-S=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Adaptor =E2=80=93 this is the rubber grommet in the v=
alve cover<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Parts List 6601334=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Mk II<u></u><u></u></b></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">6100979=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 C3AZ-6A664-A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 Hose =E2=80=93 PCV<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">610066=
9=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 97331-S=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Clips =E2=
=80=93 Hose <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">6100825=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 C5AZ-6A666-A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Valve assembly =E2=80=93 <=
b>this is the later style PCV valve with hose fitting<u></u><u></u></b></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">6100667=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 378754=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Adaptor =E2=80=93 this is the brass part <b>=E2=
=80=93 not correct for PCV valve with hose fitting<u></u><u></u></b></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">6100668=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 378766-S=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 Adaptor =E2=80=93 this is the rubber grommet<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>There are some=
 problems with these Ford part numbers.<u></u><u></u></b></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">C3DE-6A664-A is wrong =E2=80=93 this hose is 3 5/64=E2=80=9D long =
according to the Ford Master Parts Catalog =E2=80=93 this is a 1963 PCV sys=
tem hose<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">C3AZ-6A664-A is wrong =E2=
=80=93 this is bulk hose =E2=80=93 bulk hose would be horrible for this sho=
rt distance<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don=E2=80=99t know the correct Ford part numbers =
for either hose.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The PCV hose avail=
able today is C6AZ-6A664-N with 2 right angle bends.=C2=A0=C2=A0 This hose =
can be cut for the brass adaptor style hose.=C2=A0=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>See pcv hose picture</b> from Ron Fraser<u></u><u=
></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">Brass adaptor was made by Weatherhead.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <b>See picture from Terry Packer with Weatherhe=
ad Logo</b><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Correct brass Adaptor and PCV valves =E2=80=93 <b>s=
ee picture from David Franchi</b> =E2=80=93 also note that the PCV valve co=
uld have AC Spark Plug stamped on it<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Derek Daily has stated the=
 his early B19KC engine has the brass adaptor part.=C2=A0 This seems to sup=
port that all 260 engines had the brass Adaptor.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text=
-indent:0.5in">I have been told that some Mk II engines have the brass adap=
tor part.=C2=A0=C2=A0 This should only be possible if Ford stock piled this=
 part for the Tiger engine build and they changed to the later style PCV va=
lve system only after using up the brass adaptor parts.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Since t=
he Mk II Parts List is vague about this and the Mk II Service Manual shows =
a cleaning procedure for the PCV valve.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I can see how any=
one not an original owner could be confused and purchase the brass adaptor =
thinking it was correct.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"t=
ext-indent:0.5in">I=E2=80=99m guessing that some of this confusion with the=
 Parts List is due to Chrysler=E2=80=99s involvement with the Rootes Group =
and the reassignment of personnel to other programs.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Well, grea=
t discussion, I think we all learned something but I=E2=80=99m sure there a=
re more questions too.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks to al=
l for their input.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div>_____________=
__________________________________<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
m.net</a><br>
<br>
et=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>
Archive: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers" rel=3D"noreferrer=
" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers</a> <a href=3D"htt=
p://autox.team.net/archive" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://aut=
ox.team.net/archive</a><br>
<br>
Unsubscribe: <a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tigers=
@embarqmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net=
/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]</a><br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

--0000000000003645e005ce0acdf2--

--===============0224692475891948801==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

_______________________________________________

[email-masked]

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive

Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]

--===============0224692475891948801==--

---

From: "Ron Fraser" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 09:27:28 -0400

This is a multipart message in MIME format.

--===============0069583157479927141==
	boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01D7BE82.360E9430"
Content-Language: en-us

This is a multipart message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01D7BE82.360E9430
	charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thank you Will

=20

Your B19KC engine is from the Oct 1965 build.

This seems to confirm that Ford changed the Tiger engines to the updated =
PCV system for the Ford 1966 model year.

=20

There will always be some confusion here because the Sunbeam =
documentation does not seem to be keeping up with the engines =
configuration changes.

=20

Well, nothing like a good mystery

=20

Ron Fraser

=20

=20

From: Will Seay <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 10:51 PM
To: Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>
Cc: Tiger Server <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] PCV summary

=20

Ron,

My IA, 382001570, came with a PCV valve with a hose fitting.  I'm the =
original owner and I know it came that way.  That style of PCV valve =
must have been introduced before the MKII and the 289.  I suspect that =
it appeared at about the same time that the B19KC engine was introduced. =
 My engine is a numbers-matching B19KC.

=20

Will - 382001570=20

=20

=20

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 3:38 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers =

Parts List 6601131            Mk I

6100669                97331-S                                Clips =
=E2=80=93 Hose=20

6100215                C3TZ-6A666-A                    Valve assembly =
=E2=80=93 this is the early style PCV valve with threads

6100667                378754                                  Adaptor =
=E2=80=93 this is the brass part

6100668                378766-S                              Adaptor =
=E2=80=93 this is the rubber grommet in the valve cover

=20

Parts List 6601334            Mk II

6100669                97331-S                                Clips =
=E2=80=93 Hose=20

6100825                C5AZ-6A666-A                   Valve assembly =
=E2=80=93 this is the later style PCV valve with hose fitting

6100667                378754                                  Adaptor =
=E2=80=93 this is the brass part =E2=80=93 not correct for PCV valve =
with hose fitting

6100668                378766-S                              Adaptor =
=E2=80=93 this is the rubber grommet

=20

There are some problems with these Ford part numbers.

C3DE-6A664-A is wrong =E2=80=93 this hose is 3 5/64=E2=80=9D long =
according to the Ford Master Parts Catalog =E2=80=93 this is a 1963 PCV =
system hose

C3AZ-6A664-A is wrong =E2=80=93 this is bulk hose =E2=80=93 bulk hose =
would be horrible for this short distance

=20

The PCV hose available today is C6AZ-6A664-N with 2 right angle bends.   =
This hose can be cut for the brass adaptor style hose.  =20

See pcv hose picture from Ron Fraser

=20

Brass adaptor was made by Weatherhead.           See picture from Terry =
Packer with Weatherhead Logo

=20

Correct brass Adaptor and PCV valves =E2=80=93 see picture from David =
Franchi =E2=80=93 also note that the PCV valve could have AC Spark Plug =
stamped on it

=20

Derek Daily has stated the his early B19KC engine has the brass adaptor =
part.  This seems to support that all 260 engines had the brass Adaptor.

=20

I have been told that some Mk II engines have the brass adaptor part.   =
This should only be possible if Ford stock piled this part for the Tiger =
engine build and they changed to the later style PCV valve system only =
after using up the brass adaptor parts.   Since the Mk II Parts List is =
vague about this and the Mk II Service Manual shows a cleaning procedure =
for the PCV valve.    I can see how anyone not an original owner could =
be confused and purchase the brass adaptor thinking it was correct.

I=E2=80=99m guessing that some of this confusion with the Parts List is =
due to Chrysler=E2=80=99s involvement with the Rootes Group and the =
reassignment of personnel to other programs.   Well, great discussion, I =
think we all learned something but I=E2=80=99m sure there are more =
questions too.

=20

Ron Fraser

=20

=20

=20

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers =
http://autox.team.net/archive

Unsubscribe: =

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01D7BE82.360E9430
	charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" =
xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =
xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =
xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" =
xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><meta =
name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered =
medium)"><style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
	{font-family:"Cambria Math";
	panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
	{font-family:Calibri;
	panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
	{margin:0in;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	font-size:11.0pt;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
	{mso-style-priority:99;
	color:blue;
	text-decoration:underline;}
span.EmailStyle18
	{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
	color:windowtext;}
.MsoChpDefault
	{mso-style-type:export-only;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
@page WordSection1
	{size:8.5in 11.0in;
	margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
	{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit">
<o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue =
vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thank you =
Will<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Your B19KC engine is from the Oct 1965 =
build.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>This seems to confirm that =
Ford changed the Tiger engines to the updated PCV system for the Ford =
1966 model year.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>There will =
always be some confusion here because the Sunbeam documentation does not =
seem to be keeping up with the engines configuration =
changes.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Well, nothing like a good mystery<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> =
Will Seay &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October =
10, 2021 10:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ron Fraser =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Tiger Server =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] PCV =
summary<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Ron,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>My IA, 382001570, =
came with a PCV valve with a hose fitting.&nbsp; I'm the original owner =
and I know it came that way.&nbsp; That style of PCV valve must have =
been introduced before the MKII and the 289.&nbsp; I suspect that it =
appeared at about the same time that the B19KC engine was =
introduced.&nbsp; My engine is a numbers-matching =
B19KC.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal>Will - 382001570 <br><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 3:38 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Parts =
List =
6601131&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 Mk I</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>6100538&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; =
C3DE-6A664-A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hose =E2=80=93 =
PCV<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>6100669&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; =
97331-S&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Clips =E2=80=93 Hose =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>6100215&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; =
C3TZ-6A666-A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Valve assembly =
=E2=80=93 <b>this is the early style PCV valve with =
threads</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>6100667&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; =
378754&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Adaptor =
=E2=80=93 this is the brass part<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>6100668&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; =
378766-S&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Adaptor =E2=80=93 this is the =
rubber grommet in the valve cover<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Parts =
List =
6601334&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 Mk II</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>6100979&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; =
C3AZ-6A664-A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hose =E2=80=93 =
PCV<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>6100669&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; =
97331-S&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Clips =E2=80=93 Hose =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>6100825&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; =
C5AZ-6A666-A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Valve assembly =E2=80=93 =
<b>this is the later style PCV valve with hose =
fitting</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>6100667&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; =
378754&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Adaptor =
=E2=80=93 this is the brass part <b>=E2=80=93 not correct for PCV valve =
with hose fitting</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>6100668&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; =
378766-S&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Adaptor =E2=80=93 this is the =
rubber grommet<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>There =
are some problems with these Ford part numbers.</b><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>C3DE-6A664-A=
 is wrong =E2=80=93 this hose is 3 5/64=E2=80=9D long according to the =
Ford Master Parts Catalog =E2=80=93 this is a 1963 PCV system =
hose<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>C3AZ-6A664-A=
 is wrong =E2=80=93 this is bulk hose =E2=80=93 bulk hose would be =
horrible for this short distance<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I =
don=E2=80=99t know the correct Ford part numbers for either =
hose.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The PCV =
hose available today is C6AZ-6A664-N with 2 right angle =
bends.&nbsp;&nbsp; This hose can be cut for the brass adaptor style =
hose.&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>See pcv =
hose picture</b> from Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Brass =
adaptor was made by =
Weatherhead.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
<b>See picture from Terry Packer with Weatherhead =
Logo</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Correct =
brass Adaptor and PCV valves =E2=80=93 <b>see picture from David =
Franchi</b> =E2=80=93 also note that the PCV valve could have AC Spark =
Plug stamped on it<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Derek Daily =
has stated the his early B19KC engine has the brass adaptor part.&nbsp; =
This seems to support that all 260 engines had the brass =
Adaptor.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:.=
5in'>I have been told that some Mk II engines have the brass adaptor =
part.&nbsp;&nbsp; This should only be possible if Ford stock piled this =
part for the Tiger engine build and they changed to the later style PCV =
valve system only after using up the brass adaptor parts.&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Since the Mk II Parts List is vague about this and the Mk II Service =
Manual shows a cleaning procedure for the PCV valve.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I =
can see how anyone not an original owner could be confused and purchase =
the brass adaptor thinking it was correct.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:.=
5in'>I=E2=80=99m guessing that some of this confusion with the Parts =
List is due to Chrysler=E2=80=99s involvement with the Rootes Group and =
the reassignment of personnel to other programs.&nbsp;&nbsp; Well, great =
discussion, I think we all learned something but I=E2=80=99m sure there =
are more questions too.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks to =
all for their input.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>__________________________________________=
_____<br><br><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><br>Donate: <a =
href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a =
href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers</a> <a =
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/archive" =
target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br><br>Unsubscribe: =
<a =
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]=
m" =
target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tigers@emb=
arqmail.com</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></h=
tml>
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01D7BE82.360E9430--

--===============0069583157479927141==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

[email-masked]

--===============0069583157479927141==--