Subject: Re: [Tigers] back to the battery wood packers

From: Jay <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 12:48:38 -0700

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I haven=E2=80=99t been focusing on this.  So I might be =
misunderstanding.  It sounds like Rootes messed up and the tray didn=E2=80=
=99t exactly fit, and they needed to kludge together a bandaid to get =
the cars out the door.  And we=E2=80=99ve got dozens of emails going =
back and forth on this kludge.

Reminds me of the show I watched about early Corvette restoration - =
years ago.  The expert showed how the AC or alternator bracket paint =
would peel almost immediately after leaving the factory.  So he had =
perfected that peeling!

On the other hand, the wood piece was perhaps one of the most =
=E2=80=9Chuman=E2=80=9D parts of the car.  All the more reason to honor =
it.  Though still very funny.

Jay
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> On Oct 4, 2021, at 10:54 AM, Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Under tray wood =E2=80=93 the offset of the body mount holes on my =
Tiger is 3/16=E2=80=9D
> I made a cardboard templet per the drawing =E2=80=93 pic #1 =E2=80=93 =
the offset angle is acceptable to me
> =20
> Pic #2 =E2=80=93 battery tray over the templet =E2=80=93 in my opinion =
this sticks out too far and at the front area it is tight to the body
> I will make and install this piece before I make a judgement call on =
its length =E2=80=93 this is not a concours Tiger
> =20
> Side wood =E2=80=93 I made a piece per the drawing and I found that my =
body mount holes are about a 1/16=E2=80=9D closer together =E2=80=93 I =
opened the through holes to make this piece fit better   I made a 2nd =
piece with the mount holes closer and a better fit
> =20
> I do suggest that anyone making this piece =E2=80=93 check the body =
mount hole distance carefully and make any needed correction.
> You can make 1 mount hole, install with 1 screw and mark exactly where =
the 2nd hole is located.
> =20
> Now to apply some wood preservative and let them dry =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99=
ll install these pieces later this month
> =20
> Ron Fraser
> =20
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
haven=E2=80=99t been focusing on this. &nbsp;So I might be =
misunderstanding. &nbsp;It sounds like Rootes messed up and the tray =
didn=E2=80=99t exactly fit, and they needed to kludge together a bandaid =
to get the cars out the door. &nbsp;And we=E2=80=99ve got dozens of =
emails going back and forth on this kludge.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Reminds me of the show I watched about =
early Corvette restoration - years ago. &nbsp;The expert showed how the =
AC or alternator bracket paint would peel almost immediately after =
leaving the factory. &nbsp;So he had perfected that peeling!</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">On the other hand, the =
wood piece was perhaps one of the most =E2=80=9Chuman=E2=80=9D parts of =
the car. &nbsp;All the more reason to honor it. &nbsp;Though still very =
funny.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Jay</div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Oct =
4, 2021, at 10:54 AM, Ron Fraser &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
charset=3D"UTF-8" class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: =
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none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Under tray =
wood</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>=E2=80=93 the =
offset of the body mount holes on my Tiger is 3/16=E2=80=9D<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I made a =
cardboard templet per the drawing =E2=80=93 pic #1 =E2=80=93 the offset =
angle is acceptable to me<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin:=
 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Pic #2 =E2=80=93 battery tray over the templet =E2=80=93 in =
my opinion this sticks out too far and at the front area it is tight to =
the body<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I=
 will make and install this piece before I make a judgement call on its =
length =E2=80=93 this is not a concours Tiger<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Side wood</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>=E2=80=93 I made a piece =
per the drawing and I found that my body mount holes are about a 1/16=E2=80=
=9D closer together =E2=80=93 I opened the through holes to make this =
piece fit better&nbsp;&nbsp; I made a 2<sup class=3D"">nd</sup><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>piece with the mount holes =
closer and a better fit<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I do suggest that anyone making this piece =E2=80=93 check =
the body mount hole distance carefully and make any needed =
correction.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">You can make 1 mount hole, install with 1 screw and mark =
exactly where the 2<sup class=3D"">nd</sup><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>hole is located.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Now to =
apply some wood preservative and let them dry =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99ll =
install these pieces later this month<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
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style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
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From: "Ron Fraser" <[email-masked]>
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Jay

                I don=E2=80=99t think Rootes messed up.

The trunk floor is not flat, it has a raised sections the battery sets =
upon.

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The side wood keeps the battery off the big rubber grommet for the rear =
spring shackle.

You need 2 Battery Packers was the answer.

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Besides, How can you have a Proper British Car if it has no wood - =
=F0=9F=98=8A=20

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Ron Fraser

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From: Jay <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2021 3:49 PM
To: Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>
Cc: <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] back to the battery wood packers

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I haven=E2=80=99t been focusing on this.  So I might be =
misunderstanding.  It sounds like Rootes messed up and the tray =
didn=E2=80=99t exactly fit, and they needed to kludge together a bandaid =
to get the cars out the door.  And we=E2=80=99ve got dozens of emails =
going back and forth on this kludge.

=20

=20

=20

Jay

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On Oct 4, 2021, at 10:54 AM, Ron Fraser <[email-masked] =

=20

Under tray wood =E2=80=93 the offset of the body mount holes on my Tiger =
is 3/16=E2=80=9D

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I will make and install this piece before I make a judgement call on its =
length =E2=80=93 this is not a concours Tiger

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Now to apply some wood preservative and let them dry =E2=80=93 =
I=E2=80=99ll install these pieces later this month

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Ron Fraser

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up.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The trunk floor is not flat, it =
has a raised sections the battery sets upon.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The side =
wood keeps the battery off the big rubber grommet for the rear spring =
shackle.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>You need 2 Battery Packers =
was the answer.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Besides, How =
can you have a Proper British Car if it has no wood - <span =
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<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Jay =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 04, 2021 =
3:49 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ron Fraser =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> &lt;[email-masked]&gt; =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] back to =
the battery wood packers<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
haven=E2=80=99t been focusing on this. &nbsp;So I might be =
misunderstanding. &nbsp;It sounds like Rootes messed up and the tray =
didn=E2=80=99t exactly fit, and they needed to kludge together a bandaid =
to get the cars out the door. &nbsp;And we=E2=80=99ve got dozens of =
emails going back and forth on this kludge.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Reminds me of the show I watched about early Corvette =
restoration - years ago. &nbsp;The expert showed how the AC or =
alternator bracket paint would peel almost immediately after leaving the =
factory. &nbsp;So he had perfected that =
peeling!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On the other hand, the wood piece was perhaps one of =
the most =E2=80=9Chuman=E2=80=9D parts of the car. &nbsp;All the more =
reason to honor it. &nbsp;Though still very =
funny.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jay<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Oct 4, 2021, at 10:54 AM, Ron Fraser &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>Under tray wood</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>=E2=80=93 the offset of the =
body mount holes on my Tiger is =
3/16=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I made a =
cardboard templet per the drawing =E2=80=93 pic #1 =E2=80=93 the offset =
angle is acceptable to me<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Pic #2 =E2=80=93 battery tray over the templet =
=E2=80=93 in my opinion this sticks out too far and at the front area it =
is tight to the body<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
will make and install this piece before I make a judgement call on its =
length =E2=80=93 this is not a concours =
Tiger<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>Side wood</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>=E2=80=93 I made a piece per =
the drawing and I found that my body mount holes are about a =
1/16=E2=80=9D closer together =E2=80=93 I opened the through holes to =
make this piece fit better&nbsp;&nbsp; I made a 2<sup>nd</sup><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>piece with the mount holes =
closer and a better fit<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
do suggest that anyone making this piece =E2=80=93 check the body mount =
hole distance carefully and make any needed =
correction.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>You can make 1 =
mount hole, install with 1 screw and mark exactly where the =
2<sup>nd</sup><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>hole is =
located.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Now to apply some wood preservative and let them dry =
=E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99ll install these pieces later this =
month<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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I think it was simpler than anyone has brought up. The car was founded =
on the S4 and S5 Alpines which had the bat box under the parcel shelf =
(aka rear seat). And the trunk floor was made to a stamping drawing and =
if it needed to be done differently a new set of dies would have had to =
have been made ($$$$). Batteries need to sit flat and so a plastic =
(nylon I think). I believe that originally the rear mounted tray fit the =
lip on the fame side. That would  have given the tray a side mount under =
as well. Bu that use in the position as mentioned below required that it =
be spaced out a tad. Ok, the skinny long piece of wood behind the tray =
maintains side clearance for a few pennies. But that left the inside of =
the box unsupported some so another r piece of cheap wood solved that =
issue. Nothing strange about money making decisions. All because they =
needed a place to put the electric fuel pump and that place was under =
the parcel tray with an access door.  =20

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Smart decisions tome.

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Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:12 PM
To: 'Jay' <[email-masked]>
Cc: '<[email-masked]>' <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] back to the battery wood packers

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Jay

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Ron Fraser

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>I think it was simpler than =
anyone has brought up. The car was founded on the S4 and S5 Alpines =
which had the bat box under the parcel shelf (aka rear seat). And the =
trunk floor was made to a stamping drawing and if it needed to be done =
differently a new set of dies would have had to have been made ($$$$). =
Batteries need to sit flat and so a plastic (nylon I think). I believe =
that originally the rear mounted tray fit the lip on the fame side. That =
would =C2=A0have given the tray a side mount under as well. Bu that use =
in the position as mentioned below required that it be spaced out a tad. =
Ok, the skinny long piece of wood behind the tray maintains side =
clearance for a few pennies. But that left the inside of the box =
unsupported some so another r piece of cheap wood solved that issue. =
Nothing strange about money making decisions. All because they needed a =
place to put the electric fuel pump and that place was under the parcel =
tray with an access door. =C2=A0=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Smart =
decisions tome.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>mayf =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron =
Fraser<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 4, 2021 1:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
'Jay' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
'&lt;[email-masked]&gt;' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] back to =
the battery wood packers<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jay<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I don=E2=80=99t think Rootes messed =
up.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The trunk floor is not flat, it =
has a raised sections the battery sets upon.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The side =
wood keeps the battery off the big rubber grommet for the rear spring =
shackle.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>You need 2 Battery Packers =
was the answer.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Besides, How =
can you have a Proper British Car if it has no wood - <span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>&#128522;</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Jay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 04, 2021 3:49 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ron =
Fraser &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>C=
c:</b> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] back to the battery wood =
packers<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><blockquote =
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Wonder is there is ever a simple=C2=A0 piece of wood used in a modern car t=
o solve a problem???=C2=A0 =C2=A0Would it now=C2=A0 be plastic ??

In a message dated 10/4/2021 4:53:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@autox=
.team.net writes:=C2=A0
I think it was simpler than anyone has brought up. The car was founded on t=
he S4 and S5 Alpines which had the bat box under the parcel shelf (aka rear=
 seat). And the trunk floor was made to a stamping drawing and if it needed=
 to be done differently a new set of dies would have had to have been made =
($$$$). Batteries need to sit flat and so a plastic (nylon I think). I beli=
eve that originally the rear mounted tray fit the lip on the fame side. Tha=
t would =C2=A0have given the tray a side mount under as well. Bu that use i=
n the position as mentioned below required that it be spaced out a tad. Ok,=
 the skinny long piece of wood behind the tray maintains side clearance for=
 a few pennies. But that left the inside of the box unsupported some so ano=
ther r piece of cheap wood solved that issue. Nothing strange about money m=
aking decisions. All because they needed a place to put the electric fuel p=
ump and that place was under the parcel tray with an access door. =C2=A0=C2=
=A0

=C2=A0

Smart decisions tome.

=C2=A0

mayf

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Jay

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t think Rootes messed up.

The trunk floor is not flat, it has a raised sections the battery sets upon=
.

=C2=A0

The side wood keeps the battery off the big rubber grommet for the rear spr=
ing shackle.

=C2=A0

Besides, How can you have a Proper British Car if it has no wood - =F0=9F=
=98=8A

=C2=A0

Ron Fraser

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

I haven=E2=80=99t been focusing on this. =C2=A0So I might be misunderstandi=
ng. =C2=A0It sounds like Rootes messed up and the tray didn=E2=80=99t exact=
ly fit, and they needed to kludge together a bandaid to get the cars out th=
e door. =C2=A0And we=E2=80=99ve got dozens of emails going back and forth o=
n this kludge.

=C2=A0

Reminds me of the show I watched about early Corvette restoration - years a=
go. =C2=A0The expert showed how the AC or alternator bracket paint would pe=
el almost immediately after leaving the factory. =C2=A0So he had perfected =
that peeling!

=C2=A0

On the other hand, the wood piece was perhaps one of the most =E2=80=9Chuma=
n=E2=80=9D parts of the car. =C2=A0All the more reason to honor it. =C2=A0T=
hough still very funny.

=C2=A0

Jay

=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Under tray wood=C2=A0=E2=80=93 the offset of the body mount holes on my Tig=
er is 3/16=E2=80=9D

I made a cardboard templet per the drawing =E2=80=93 pic #1 =E2=80=93 the o=
ffset angle is acceptable to me

=C2=A0

Pic #2 =E2=80=93 battery tray over the templet =E2=80=93 in my opinion this=
 sticks out too far and at the front area it is tight to the body

I will make and install this piece before I make a judgement call on its le=
ngth =E2=80=93 this is not a concours Tiger

=C2=A0

Side wood=C2=A0=E2=80=93 I made a piece per the drawing and I found that my=
 body mount holes are about a 1/16=E2=80=9D closer together =E2=80=93 I ope=
ned the through holes to make this piece fit better=C2=A0=C2=A0 I made a 2n=
d=C2=A0piece with the mount holes closer and a better fit

=C2=A0

I do suggest that anyone making this piece =E2=80=93 check the body mount h=
ole distance carefully and make any needed correction.

You can make 1 mount hole, install with 1 screw and mark exactly where the =
2nd=C2=A0hole is located.

=C2=A0

Now to apply some wood preservative and let them dry =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99ll=
 install these pieces later this month

=C2=A0

Ron Fraser

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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<div class=3D"userEdit" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 14pt; color: #000000;"><span style=3D"color: #000000; font-styl=
e: normal; font-weight: bold;">Wonder is there is ever a simple&nbsp; piece=
 of wood used in a modern car to solve a problem???&nbsp; &nbsp;Would it no=
w&nbsp; be plastic ??<br></span></div>
<br>In a message dated 10/4/2021 4:53:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@a=
utox.team.net writes:
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<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">I think it was simpler than anyone has =
brought up. The car was founded on the S4 and S5 Alpines which had the bat =
box under the parcel shelf (aka rear seat). And the trunk floor was made to=
 a stamping drawing and if it needed to be done differently a new set of di=
es would have had to have been made ($$$$). Batteries need to sit flat and =
so a plastic (nylon I think). I believe that originally the rear mounted tr=
ay fit the lip on the fame side. That would &nbsp;have given the tray a sid=
e mount under as well. Bu that use in the position as mentioned below requi=
red that it be spaced out a tad. Ok, the skinny long piece of wood behind t=
he tray maintains side clearance for a few pennies. But that left the insid=
e of the box unsupported some so another r piece of cheap wood solved that =
issue. Nothing strange about money making decisions. All because they neede=
d a place to put the electric fuel pump and that place was under the parcel=
 tray with an access door. &nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">Smart decisions tome.</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">mayf</p>
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<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Tigers &lt;tiger=
[email-masked]&gt; <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Ron Fraser<br cl=
ear=3D"none"><strong>Sent:</strong> Monday, October 4, 2021 1:12 PM<br clea=
r=3D"none"><strong>To:</strong> 'Jay' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clea=
r=3D"none"><strong>Cc:</strong> '&lt;[email-masked]&gt;' &lt;tigers@=
Autox.Team.Net&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Tigers]=
 back to the battery wood packers</p>
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<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">Jay</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I don&rsquo;t think Roo=
tes messed up.</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">The trunk floor is not flat, it has a r=
aised sections the battery sets upon.</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">The side wood keeps the battery off the=
 big rubber grommet for the rear spring shackle.</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">You need 2 Battery Packers was the answ=
er.</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">Besides, How can you have a Proper Brit=
ish Car if it has no wood - <span style=3D"font-family: UI sans-serif;">=F0=
=9F=98=8A</span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt=
 0in 0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Jay &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopene=
r noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br clear=3D"non=
e"><strong>Sent:</strong> Monday, October 04, 2021 3:49 PM<br clear=3D"none=
"><strong>To:</strong> Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">rf=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><strong>Cc:</strong> &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noope=
ner noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener n=
oreferrer" shape=3D"rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><=
strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Tigers] back to the battery wood packers</p>
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<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">I haven&rsquo;t been focusing on this. =
&nbsp;So I might be misunderstanding. &nbsp;It sounds like Rootes messed up=
 and the tray didn&rsquo;t exactly fit, and they needed to kludge together =
a bandaid to get the cars out the door. &nbsp;And we&rsquo;ve got dozens of=
 emails going back and forth on this kludge.</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">Reminds me of the show I watched about =
early Corvette restoration - years ago. &nbsp;The expert showed how the AC =
or alternator bracket paint would peel almost immediately after leaving the=
 factory. &nbsp;So he had perfected that peeling!</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">On the other hand, the wood piece was p=
erhaps one of the most &ldquo;human&rdquo; parts of the car. &nbsp;All the =
more reason to honor it. &nbsp;Though still very funny.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">Jay</p>
</div>
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<div id=3D"yiv2674478179yqt89099" class=3D"yiv2674478179yqt1835526615">
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">&nbsp;=
</p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;">
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">On Oct 4, 2021, at 10:54 AM, Ron Fraser=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofol=
low noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:=
</p>
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<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal"><strong>Under tray wood</strong><span c=
lass=3D"yiv2674478179apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>&ndash; the offset=
 of the body mount holes on my Tiger is 3/16&rdquo;</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">I made a cardboard templet per the draw=
ing &ndash; pic #1 &ndash; the offset angle is acceptable to me</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">Pic #2 &ndash; battery tray over the te=
mplet &ndash; in my opinion this sticks out too far and at the front area i=
t is tight to the body</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">I will make and install this piece befo=
re I make a judgement call on its length &ndash; this is not a concours Tig=
er</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal"><strong>Side wood</strong><span class=
=3D"yiv2674478179apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>&ndash; I made a piece=
 per the drawing and I found that my body mount holes are about a 1/16&rdqu=
o; closer together &ndash; I opened the through holes to make this piece fi=
t better&nbsp;&nbsp; I made a 2<sup>nd</sup><span class=3D"yiv2674478179app=
le-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>piece with the mount holes closer and a be=
tter fit</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">I do suggest that anyone making this pi=
ece &ndash; check the body mount hole distance carefully and make any neede=
d correction.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">You can make 1 mount hole, install with=
 1 screw and mark exactly where the 2<sup>nd</sup><span class=3D"yiv2674478=
179apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>hole is located.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">Now to apply some wood preservative and=
 let them dry &ndash; I&rsquo;ll install these pieces later this month</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2674478179MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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From: Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 16:20:37 -0700

On 10/4/2021 12:48 PM, Jay wrote:

> On the other hand, the wood piece was perhaps one of the most “human” 
> parts of the car.  All the more reason to honor it.  Though still very 
> funny.

Especially for the first 400 or so Tigers. And then they got a "Human" 
dash too. 😁 So, how long before we see the "correct" battery wood kits 
selling on Ebay for too much?

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