Subject: Re: [Tigers] Girling brake master reservoir (Moss Motors... windshields)

From: Jim Buster via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2021 01:34:36 -0700

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Regarding windshields, I got mine from Pilkington a couple of years ago and t=
he rubber from Rick. The thickness of the glass seems good. YMMV=20

> On Sep 8, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Will Seay via Tigers <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
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> =EF=BB=BF
> I know this isn't just about windshields but these guys claim to have wind=
shields in stock and ready to ship:=20
> Rootesparts
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> Will - 382001570=20
> [email-masked]
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>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 6:58 PM Jay <[email-masked]> wrote:
>> FWIW, Moss did contact Sunbeam Specialties to see if they would buy the V=
B Sunbeam stuff, and they declined.  Not sure if anything happened after tha=
t.  But, I really don=E2=80=99t care because VB stuff has proven to be bad t=
ime and time again.  So I hope it doesn=E2=80=99t end up with our better sup=
pliers.
>>=20
>> On the windshield, I bought a new windshield about 24 years ago.  I still=
 have it on the car. But it did not fit the same.  The glass was a tad thinn=
er than original.  I could put the original on and everything would fit, inc=
luding the rubber and the stainless steel.  But when I put on the new one, i=
t did not sit the same and the stainless would not fit right.  I ended up ha=
ving to trim the stainless to fit.  Believe me, I went through it many times=
, back and forth, trying to solve it differently.  Fortunately it was =E2=80=
=9Conly=E2=80=9D my Alpine. =20
>>=20
>> Just something to think about when looking for replacement glass.  My ori=
ginal Alpine glass was scratched and slightly delaminating.  The =E2=80=9Cne=
w=E2=80=9D glass is still fine.  But, I don=E2=80=99t know that I would file=
 down any stainless at this point.  On the other hand, it seems beggars can=E2=
=80=99t be choosers.
>>=20
>>=20
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>>> On Sep 8, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
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>>> Joe Brown: "Do we have another source for windshields?"
>>>=20
>>> This is a looming problem for not just Tigers, but the collector car wor=
ld as a whole. Most people don't consider the need..., until they have the n=
eed. My understanding is windshields are made in batches..., as there is nee=
d. So, if the volume is not there to spark the manufacturer to  do a "run" a=
vailability dwindles. I mean who wants to manufacture a fragile, large produ=
ct and then sit on it for years until YOU need it?=20
>>>=20
>>> About 8 years ago I was looking for a windshield for my 1964 Studebaker D=
aytona. There was ONE vendor in the mid-west (I'm west coast) that had ONE w=
indshield in stock. When I asked if they were going to get more the owner re=
plied, "Not likely." That windshield would have cost me over $600+ delivered=
. In the end I bought a used windshield that had scratches and  bull's-eye b=
ut at least it wasn't broken. In fact to cover myself I bought two at $100 e=
ach. I then spent 10 hours making a cradle to securely fit both windshields i=
n my son's Honda Civic as it was a 400 mile trip from where they were. And a=
s it was these were station wagon windshields that the seller cut a 1/2" sec=
tion out to fit the sedan.  So, yea, sometimes it comes to measures such as t=
hat.
>>>=20
>>> In this day and age of lasers and CNC you would think that windshield re=
production might be more practical. Or that modern plastics could replace gl=
ass as a means of making windshields available and reasonably priced. I saw o=
n Wheeler Dealer how they cut a windshield for a Saab out of a late model Im=
pala windshield. But the wraparound nature of the Tiger windshield negates t=
hat route. I didn't mean to ramble but least anyone be taken by surprise som=
ewhere down the road ... . Hopefully not but the way businesses are changing=
 you never know.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">Regarding windshields, I g=
ot mine from Pilkington a couple of years ago and the rubber from Rick. The t=
hickness of the glass seems good. YMMV&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 8, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Will Seay via Tigers &lt;ti=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t" style=3D"font-size:small">I know this isn't <i>just</i> about windshields=
 but these guys claim to have windshields in stock and ready to ship:&nbsp;<=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><a href=3D"http:=
//www.rootesparts.com/id103.htm">Rootesparts</a><br clear=3D"all"></div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Will - 382001570 <br><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 a=
t 6:58 PM Jay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">jay.laifman@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=
"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;">FWIW, Moss did contact Sunbeam S=
pecialties to see if they would buy the VB Sunbeam stuff, and they declined.=
&nbsp; Not sure if anything happened after that.&nbsp; But, I really don=E2=80=
=99t care because VB stuff has proven to be bad time and time again.&nbsp; S=
o I hope it doesn=E2=80=99t end up with our better suppliers.<div><br></div>=
<div>On the windshield, I bought a new windshield about 24 years ago.&nbsp; I=
 still have it on the car. But it did not fit the same.&nbsp; The glass was a=
 tad thinner than original.&nbsp; I could put the original on and everything=
 would fit, including the rubber and the stainless steel.&nbsp; But when I p=
ut on the new one, it did not sit the same and the stainless would not fit r=
ight.&nbsp; I ended up having to trim the stainless to fit.&nbsp; Believe me=
, I went through it many times, back and forth, trying to solve it different=
ly.&nbsp; Fortunately it was =E2=80=9Conly=E2=80=9D my Alpine. &nbsp;</div><=
div><br></div><div>Just something to think about when looking for replacemen=
t glass.&nbsp; My original Alpine glass was scratched and slightly delaminat=
ing.&nbsp; The =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D glass is still fine.&nbsp; But, I don=E2=
=80=99t know that I would file down any stainless at this point.&nbsp; On th=
e other hand, it seems beggars can=E2=80=99t be choosers.</div><div><br></di=
v><div><br><div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Sep 8, 2021, at 3=
:51 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div>
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   =20
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  <div><p>Joe Brown:<i> "Do we have another source for windshields?"</i></p>=
<p>This is a looming problem for not just Tigers, but the collector
      car world as a whole. Most people don't consider the need...,
      until they have the need. My understanding is windshields are made
      in batches..., as there is need. So, if the volume is not there to
      spark the manufacturer to&nbsp; do a "run" availability dwindles. I
      mean who wants to manufacture a fragile, large product and then
      sit on it for years until YOU need it? <br>
    </p><p> About 8 years ago I was looking for a windshield for my 1964
      Studebaker Daytona. There was ONE vendor in the mid-west (I'm west
      coast) that had ONE windshield in stock. When I asked if they were
      going to get more the owner replied, "Not likely." That windshield
      would have cost me over $600+ delivered. In the end I bought a
      used windshield that had scratches and&nbsp; bull's-eye but at least i=
t
      wasn't broken. In fact to cover myself I bought two at $100 each.
      I then spent 10 hours making a cradle to securely fit both
      windshields in my son's Honda Civic as it was a 400 mile trip from
      where they were. And as it was these were station wagon
      windshields that the seller cut a 1/2" section out to fit the
      sedan.&nbsp; So, yea, sometimes it comes to measures such as that.</p>=
<p>In this day and age of lasers and CNC you would think that
      windshield reproduction might be more practical. Or that modern
      plastics could replace glass as a means of making windshields
      available and reasonably priced. I saw on Wheeler Dealer how they
      cut a windshield for a Saab out of a late model Impala windshield.
      But the wraparound nature of the Tiger windshield negates that
      route. I didn't mean to ramble but least anyone be taken by
      surprise somewhere down the road ... . Hopefully not but the way
      businesses are changing you never know.<br>
      <i></i></p>
    <br>
  </div>

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