Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 20:53:03 +0000 (UTC)

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Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option o=
r not?=C2=A0 Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pict=
ures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
Thanks
Joel Martin
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<html><head></head><body><div class="yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?&nbsp; Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Thanks</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Joel Martin</div></div></body></html>
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:57:30 -0700

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I=E2=80=99m pretty sure they were not.  I actually have one for an =
Alpine, still NOS.  But I know that in the Alpine world, they go kind of =
nuts that it=E2=80=99s really bad for handling if they are added.  I do =
trust some of the folks who=E2=80=99ve I seen make those statements. =
But, I don=E2=80=99t have any better info about it.

However, some of those same folks endorse putting thicker front sway =
bars on.  It=E2=80=99s my understanding that it=E2=80=99s all relative.  =
So if they stiffen the front, and the overall balance was good before, =
then the rear should also be stiffened.  But, heck, that=E2=80=99s just =
me.  They claim to be the experts.

Jay

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some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
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=99m pretty sure they were not. &nbsp;I actually have one for an Alpine, =
still NOS. &nbsp;But I know that in the Alpine world, they go kind of =
nuts that it=E2=80=99s really bad for handling if they are added. =
&nbsp;I do trust some of the folks who=E2=80=99ve I seen make those =
statements. But, I don=E2=80=99t have any better info about it.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">However, some of those =
same folks endorse putting thicker front sway bars on. &nbsp;It=E2=80=99s =
my understanding that it=E2=80=99s all relative. &nbsp;So if they =
stiffen the front, and the overall balance was good before, then the =
rear should also be stiffened. &nbsp;But, heck, that=E2=80=99s just me. =
&nbsp;They claim to be the experts.</div><div class=3D""><br =
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From: Stu via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:59:05 -0400

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FWIW, my previous owner put a much heavier sway bar on the front, which I
only discovered when I tried to replace its rubber bushings. During some
spirited parade laps on a road course the thing understeered like a pig, I
wondered if the front tires were going to get ripped off their rims.  The
PO had also put helper leafs on the rear springs, but I took them off
because of the overly stiff ride.  Maybe these would have stiffened the
rear to match the front, but the stiffer front bar alone doesn't work.

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> Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option
> or not?  Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures
> of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
>
> Thanks
>
> Joel Martin
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">FWI=
W, my previous owner put a much heavier=C2=A0sway bar on the front, which I=
 only discovered when I tried to replace its rubber bushings. During some s=
pirited parade laps on a road course the thing understeered like a pig, I w=
ondered if the front tires were going to get ripped off their rims.=C2=A0 T=
he PO had also put helper leafs on the rear springs, but I took them off be=
cause of the overly stiff ride.=C2=A0 Maybe these would have stiffened the =
rear to match the front, but the stiffer front bar alone doesn&#39;t work.<=
/div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_a=
ttr">On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 4:54 PM Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div=
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=3D"ltr">Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT=
 option or not?=C2=A0 Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post =
some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?</div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>=
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From: "Ron Fraser" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 19:15:42 -0400

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Joel

                A rear sway bar was not original to the Tiger and I =
don=E2=80=99t see one listed as an LAT.

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via Tigers
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Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

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the Tiger and I don=E2=80=99t see one listed as an LAT.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joel Martin =
via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 29, 2021 4:53 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Tiger List Serve =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Tiger Rear =
Sway bar<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif'>Was a rear sway =
bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?&nbsp; =
Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of =
how they were suppose to be mounted and =
installed?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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From: Michael Wood via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 01:27:49 +0000 (UTC)

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Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've ye=
t to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angl=
es, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that=
 made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.=C2=A0
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
To: Tiger List Serve <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option o=
r not?=C2=A0 Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pict=
ures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
Thanks
Joel Martin_______________________________________________

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lack;"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:black;">Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution=
...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints=
, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end impr=
ovements) that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.&nbs=
p;</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt=
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List Serve &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm=
<br>Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar<br><br></div><div id=3D"yiv511595=
9490"><div><div class=3D"yiv5115959490yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-famil=
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rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?=
&nbsp; Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures o=
f how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=
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From: Michael Wood via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 01:42:36 +0000 (UTC)

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Should have added, the most common bar used is an Addco that has funky clam=
ps and extensions. My car had one when I bought it, I 86'ed it soon after b=
uying.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
To: Tiger List Serve <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

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lack;"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:black;">Should have added, the most common bar used is an Addco that =
has funky clamps and extensions. My car had one when I bought it, I 86'ed i=
t soon after buying.<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Michael=
 Wood via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>To: [email-masked]=
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 6:31 pm<br>Subjec=
t: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar<br><br></div><div id=3D"yiv6521569243">=
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color:black;"><div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-s=
ize:10pt;color:black;">Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket=
 solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with he=
im joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front=
 end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total grip capabi=
lity.&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;fon=
t-size:10pt;color:black;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=3D"font-famil=
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lear=3D"none">Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm<br clear=3D"none">Subject: [T=
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some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?</div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks</div><div d=
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I don't know about "total grip capability," but you have seen my dad drive =
his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.  I've driven and autoc=
rossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway bar an=
d they both handle great but different.  A good driver can adjust to the di=
fferences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much f=
aster than the other.  It's possible that one could be faster than the othe=
r depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a second ba=
sed on my autocross experiences.

Matthew

From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Michael Wood via =
Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've ye=
t to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angl=
es, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that=
 made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.

Mike

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r not?  Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures =

Thanks

Joel Martin

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don&#8217;t know about &#8220;total grip capabilit=
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nd it works great.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are =
set up properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both
 handle great but different.&nbsp; A good driver can adjust to the differen=
ces and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster =
than the other.&nbsp; It&#8217;s possible that one could be faster than the=
 other depending on the type of course, but it would
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;[email-masked]=
t&gt; <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Michael Wood via Tigers<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an =
aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabrica=
ted with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability
 etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense o=
r was additive to total grip capability.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">t=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
To: Tiger List Serve &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tigers@au=
tox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm<br>
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ramond&quot;,serif;color:black">Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on th=
e Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?&nbsp; Size, mounting points? Either =
way could someone post some pictures of how they were
 suppose to be mounted and installed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On a slightly different note, my Tiger is missing the panhard bar and mount=
ing bracket. I've looked off and on for several years and never found one. =
I know I can get a reinforced bracket that welds in, but don't run my car h=
ard and prefer "factory". If anyone has a bar and bracket laying around and=
 wants to sell, or if I could get pictures and measurements of both so I co=
uld replicate them, please email me off list. I have a Mk1 with the bracket=
 on the right side. Thanks guys.

Steve

________________________________
From: Tigers <[email-masked]> on behalf of Taylor, Matthew v=
ia Tigers <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:07 AM
To: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <tigers@autox.=
team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

I don=92t know about =93total grip capability,=94 but you have seen my dad =
drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.  I=92ve driven a=
nd autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear swa=
y bar and they both handle great but different.  A good driver can adjust t=
o the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one i=
s much faster than the other.  It=92s possible that one could be faster tha=
n the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a=
 second based on my autocross experiences.

Matthew

Mike

-----Original Message-----
m.net>>

Thanks

Joel Martin

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ing bracket. I've looked off and on for several years and never found one. =
I know I can get a reinforced bracket that welds in, but don't run my car h=
ard and prefer &quot;factory&quot;. If anyone
 has a bar and bracket laying around and wants to sell, or if I could get p=
ictures and measurements of both so I could replicate them, please email me=
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[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Taylor, Matthew via Tigers &lt;tigers@=
autox.team.net&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Wood &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked] &=
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I don=92t know about =93total grip capability,=94 but you have seen my dad =
drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.&nbsp; I=92ve dri=
ven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rea=
r sway bar and they both handle great but different.&nbsp;
 A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of the dif=
ferences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.&nbsp; It=92s possi=
ble that one could be faster than the other depending on the type of course=
, but it would be fractions of a second
 based on my autocross experiences.</p>
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Matthew</p>
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<b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of <=
/b>Michael Wood via Tigers<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</p>
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: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif; =
color:black">Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution.=
..and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints,=
 correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction
 with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total =
grip capability.&nbsp;</span></p>
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color:black">Mike<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">t=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
To: Tiger List Serve &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tigers@au=
tox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm<br>
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,serif; co=
lor:black">Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a L=
AT option or not?&nbsp; Size, mounting points? Either way could someone pos=
t some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted
 and installed?</span></p>
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I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fast.
It seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart.  The rear bar makes it loos=
e and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with power and his posi=
.
Very impressive and fast.
Gary=20

>     On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <[email-masked].=
net> wrote:
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>     I don=E2=80=99t know about =E2=80=9Ctotal grip capability,=E2=80=9D b=
ut you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works=
 great.  I=E2=80=99ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properl=
y with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but differen=
t.  A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of the =
differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.  It=E2=80=99s p=
ossible that one could be faster than the other depending on the type of co=
urse, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross experienc=
es.
>=20
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>     Matthew
>=20
>=20
>     From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Michael Woo=
d via Tigers
>     Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I=
've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correc=
t angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements=
) that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.=20
>     From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked] mailto:tigers@aut=
ox.team.net >
>     To: Tiger List Serve <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked].=
net >
>     Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT op=
tion or not?  Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pic=
tures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
>     Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/a=
rchive
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>     Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad=
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   I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fast.
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don=E2=80=99t know about =E2=80=9Ctotal grip c=
apability,=E2=80=9D but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear =
sway bar and it works great.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve driven and autocrossed Tige=
rs that are set up properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both=
 handle great but different.&nbsp; A good driver can adjust to the differen=
ces and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster =
than the other.&nbsp; It=E2=80=99s possible that one could be faster than t=
he other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a se=
cond based on my autocross experiences.</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Matthew</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <div>
     <div style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: =
3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;">
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Tigers &lt;tigers-bounc=
[email-masked]&gt; <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Michael Wood via Tigers=
<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM<br><strong=
>To:</strong> [email-masked]<br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Tiger=
s] Tiger Rear Sway bar</p>
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    </div>
    <div>
     <div>
      <div>
       <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family=
: 'Arial',sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p>
       <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family=
: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is =
an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabr=
icated with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunct=
ion with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to tot=
al grip capability.&nbsp;</span></p>
      </div>
      <div>
       <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family=
: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p>
      </div>
      <div>
       <p style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">Mike=
<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>T=
o: Tiger List Serve &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tigers@aut=
ox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm<br>Subject: [Tigers]=
 Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>
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       <div>
        <div>
         <div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Garamond',serif; color: black;">Was a rear sway bar originally fitted=
 on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?&nbsp; Size, mounting points? E=
ither way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be m=
ounted and installed?</span></p>
         </div>
         <div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Garamond',serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p>
         </div>
         <div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Garamond',serif; color: black;">Thanks</span></p>
         </div>
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          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Garamond',serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p>
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ily: 'Garamond',serif; color: black;">Joel Martin</span></p>
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Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey when I first started autocrossing my Tig=
er, both of them were fantastic drivers with tons of experience, But, I end=
ed up getting past them both and I think set up had a lot to do with it. Ef=
fectively giving up rear grip to make the car more neutral or "tossable" I =
don't think makes sense. But, end of day, what you (big "you") are most com=
fortable with in terms of set up is key and, you're right, for most drivers=
 that will be more important in terms of time on course than ultimate grip =
:)

-----Original Message-----
From: GARY WINBLAD <[email-masked]>
To: Taylor, Matthew <[email-masked]>; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers@au=
tox.team.net>; Michael Wood <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:21 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

  I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fast.   I=
t seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart.=C2=A0 The rear bar makes it =
loose and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with power and his =
posi.   Very impressive and fast.   Gary=C2=A0 =20
  On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:  =20
  =20
  =20
I don=E2=80=99t know about =E2=80=9Ctotal grip capability,=E2=80=9D but you=
 have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great=
.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly=
 with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different=
.=C2=A0 A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of =
the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.=C2=A0 It=E2=
=80=99s possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the t=
ype of course, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross =
experiences.
=20

=20
Matthew
=20

  =20
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
  =20
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
To: Tiger List Serve <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
     =20
Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option o=
r not?=C2=A0 Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pict=
ures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
  =20
=C2=A0
  =20
Thanks
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  =20
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<div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:b=
lack;"><div style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10=
pt; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f; font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey when =
I first started autocrossing my Tiger, both of them were fantastic drivers =
with tons of experience, But, I ended up getting past them both and I think=
 set up had a lot to do with it. Effectively giving up rear grip to make th=
e car more neutral or "tossable" I don't think makes sense. But, end of day=
, what you (big "you") are most comfortable with in terms of set up is key =
and, you're right, for most drivers that will be more important in terms of=
 time on course than ultimate grip :)<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>=
From: GARY WINBLAD &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>To: Taylor, Matthew &=
lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]=
&gt;; Michael Wood &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:=
21 am<br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar<br><br></div><div id=3D"=
yiv0150695853"><div>
  <div>
   I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fast.
  </div>
  <div class=3D"yiv0150695853default-style">
   It seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart.&nbsp; The rear bar makes=
 it loose and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with power and =
his posi.
  </div>
  <div class=3D"yiv0150695853default-style">
   Very impressive and fast.
  </div>
  <div class=3D"yiv0150695853default-style">
   Gary&nbsp;
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  <blockquote type=3D"cite">
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div>
    On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]=
.net&gt; wrote:
   </div>
   <div>
    <br clear=3D"none">
   </div>
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    <br clear=3D"none">
   </div>
   <div class=3D"yiv0150695853WordSection1">
    <p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal">I don=E2=80=99t know about =E2=80=
=9Ctotal grip capability,=E2=80=9D but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger=
 with the rear sway bar and it works great.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve driven and a=
utocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway ba=
r and they both handle great but different.&nbsp; A good driver can adjust =
to the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one =
is much faster than the other.&nbsp; It=E2=80=99s possible that one could b=
e faster than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fr=
actions of a second based on my autocross experiences.</p>
    <p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"none"></p>
    <p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal">Matthew</p>
    <p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"none"></p>
    <div>
     <div style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: =
3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;" data-mce-style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1=
E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;">
      <p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Tigers &lt=
;[email-masked]&gt; <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Michael Wo=
od via Tigers<br clear=3D"none"><strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, September=
 29, 2021 6:28 PM<br clear=3D"none"><strong>To:</strong> [email-masked].=
net<br clear=3D"none"><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Swa=
y bar</p>
     </div>
    </div>
    <div>
     <div>
      <div>
       <p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt=
; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; f=
ont-family: 'Arial', sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p>
       <p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt=
; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-s=
ize: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;">Like said, an=
y rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one =
(not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angles, adjustabi=
lity etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sen=
se or was additive to total grip capability.&nbsp;</span></p>
      </div>
      <div>
       <p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt=
; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-s=
ize: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span>=
</p>
      </div>
      <div>
       <p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"=
 data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt=
; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-s=
ize: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;">Mike<br clear=
=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">-----Original Message-----<=
br clear=3D"none">From: Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noope=
ner noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">To: Tiger List Serve &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noope=
ner noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm<br clear=3D"none"=
>Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>
      </div>
      <div id=3D"yiv0150695853">
       <div>
        <div>
         <div>
          <p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.=
0pt; font-family: 'Garamond', serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-=
size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Garamond', serif; color: black;">Was a rear swa=
y bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?&nbsp; S=
ize, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how th=
ey were suppose to be mounted and installed?</span></p>
         </div>
         <div>
          <p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.=
0pt; font-family: 'Garamond', serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-=
size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Garamond', serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><=
/p>
         </div>
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          <p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.=
0pt; font-family: 'Garamond', serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-=
size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Garamond', serif; color: black;">Thanks</span><=
/p>
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          <p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.=
0pt; font-family: 'Garamond', serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-=
size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Garamond', serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><=
/p>
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          <p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.=
0pt; font-family: 'Garamond', serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-=
size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Garamond', serif; color: black;">Joel Martin</s=
pan></p>
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data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;=
 font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-si=
ze: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><=
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I would also like pictures or drawings.

Thanks,
Joe Brown

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 9:50 AM steve wick via Tigers <[email-masked]=
t>
wrote:

> On a slightly different note, my Tiger is missing the panhard bar and
> mounting bracket. I've looked off and on for several years and never foun=
d
> one. I know I can get a reinforced bracket that welds in, but don't run m=
y
> car hard and prefer "factory". If anyone has a bar and bracket laying
> around and wants to sell, or if I could get pictures and measurements of
> both so I could replicate them, please email me off list. I have a Mk1 wi=
th
> the bracket on the right side. Thanks guys.
>
> Steve
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> on behalf of Taylor,
> Matthew via Tigers <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:07 AM
> *To:* Michael Wood <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <
> [email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
>
>
> I don=E2=80=99t know about =E2=80=9Ctotal grip capability,=E2=80=9D but y=
ou have seen my dad drive
> his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.  I=E2=80=99ve driven=
 and
> autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway
> bar and they both handle great but different.  A good driver can adjust t=
o
> the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one i=
s
> much faster than the other.  It=E2=80=99s possible that one could be fast=
er than
> the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Michael
> Wood via Tigers
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
> *To:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
>
>
>
> Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've
> yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct
> angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements=
)
> that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
> or not?  Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictur=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I would also like pictures or drawings.<div><br></div><div=
>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 9:50 AM steve wic=
k via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex">

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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
On a slightly different note, my Tiger is missing the panhard bar and mount=
ing bracket. I&#39;ve looked off and on for several years and never found o=
ne. I know I can get a reinforced bracket that welds in, but don&#39;t run =
my car hard and prefer &quot;factory&quot;. If anyone
 has a bar and bracket laying around and wants to sell, or if I could get p=
ictures and measurements of both so I could replicate them, please email me=
 off list. I have a Mk1 with the bracket on the right side. Thanks=C2=A0guy=
s.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
Steve</div>
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:</b> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of Taylor, Matthew=
 via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Wood &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</font>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
I don=E2=80=99t know about =E2=80=9Ctotal grip capability,=E2=80=9D but you=
 have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great=
.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly=
 with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different=
.=C2=A0
 A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of the dif=
ferences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s=
 possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the type of =
course, but it would be fractions of a second
 based on my autocross experiences.</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
=C2=A0</p>
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Matthew</p>
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=C2=A0</p>
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<b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>M=
ichael Wood via Tigers<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tiger=
[email-masked]</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</p>
</div>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span></=
p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Lik=
e said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I&#39;ve y=
et to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct ang=
les, adjustability etc used in conjunction
 with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total =
grip capability.=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
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<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=
=A0</span></p>
</div>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-ser=
if">
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Mik=
e<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
To: Tiger List Serve &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm<br>
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_5197154909472462805x_yiv5115959490">
<div>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond,serif;color:black">Was a=
 rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not=
?=C2=A0 Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures =
of how they were suppose to be mounted
 and installed?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond,serif;color:black">=C2=
=A0</span></p>
</div>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond,serif;color:black">Thank=
s</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond,serif;color:black">=C2=
=A0</span></p>
</div>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond,serif;color:black">Joel =
Martin</span></p>
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if">
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=
=A0</span></p>
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 16:01:14 +0000 (UTC)

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If you guys are going to put Panhard bars back on, I'd suggest getting one =
of Tom Hall's kits which helps with the bar angle and addresses mount area =
issues.=C2=A0
tigerengineering.net
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Brown <[email-masked]>
To: steve wick <[email-masked]>
Cc: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <tigers@autox.=
team.net>; Taylor, Matthew <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:55 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Thanks,Joe Brown
t> wrote:

 on the right side. Thanks=C2=A0guys.
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Matthew

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
To: Tiger List Serve <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

=C2=A0

Thanks

=C2=A0

Joel Martin

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<div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:b=
lack;"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:black;">If you guys are going to put Panhard bars back on, I'd sugges=
t getting one of Tom Hall's kits which helps with the bar angle and address=
es mount area issues.&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family=
:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">tigerengineering.n=
et</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt=
;color:black;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-ser=
if;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Mike</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,h=
elvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br></div><div style=3D"fo=
nt-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br><br><=
br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Joe Brown &lt;[email-masked]&=
gt;<br>To: steve wick &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Cc: Michael Wood &lt;mw=
[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
Taylor, Matthew &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:55 am<b=
r>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar<br><br></div><div id=3D"yiv3215=
029533"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">I would also like pictures or drawings.<div><=
br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</div></div><br cle=
ar=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv3215029533gmail_quote"><div class=3D"yiv321502=
9533yqt6196729515" id=3D"yiv3215029533yqt37671"><div class=3D"yiv3215029533=
gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 9:50 AM steve wick via Tige=
rs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
eam.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"yiv3215029533gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">

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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
On a slightly different note, my Tiger is missing the panhard bar and mount=
ing bracket. I've looked off and on for several years and never found one. =
I know I can get a reinforced bracket that welds in, but don't run my car h=
ard and prefer "factory". If anyone
 has a bar and bracket laying around and wants to sell, or if I could get p=
ictures and measurements of both so I could replicate them, please email me=
 off list. I have a Mk1 with the bracket on the right side. Thanks&nbsp;guy=
s.</div>
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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
Steve</div>
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g"><span face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000" data-mce-style=3D"f=
ont-size: 11pt; color: #000000; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" style=3D=
"font-size: 11pt; color: #000000; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>Fro=
m:</b> Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ym=
ailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; o=
n behalf of Taylor, Matthew via Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener nore=
ferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<=
br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:07 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Michael Wood &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; <a rel=3D"nofollow no=
opener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a> &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@a=
utox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">
I don=E2=80=99t know about =E2=80=9Ctotal grip capability,=E2=80=9D but you=
 have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great=
.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly=
 with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different=
.&nbsp;
 A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of the dif=
ferences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.&nbsp; It=E2=80=99s=
 possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the type of =
course, but it would be fractions of a second
 based on my autocross experiences.</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">
&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">
Matthew</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">
&nbsp;</p>
<div>
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top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in;">
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">
<b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"re=
ct" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Wood via Tigers<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@a=
utox.team.net">[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span>=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:black;">L=
ike said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet=
 to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angle=
s, adjustability etc used in conjunction
 with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total =
grip capability.&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:black;">&=
nbsp;</span></p>
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<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-se=
rif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:black;">M=
ike<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" sh=
ape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=
=3D"none">
To: Tiger List Serve &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"r=
ect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"yiv3215029533gmail-m_5197154909472462805x_yiv5115959490">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond, serif;color:black;">Was=
 a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or n=
ot?&nbsp; Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some picture=
s of how they were suppose to be mounted
 and installed?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond, serif;color:black;">&nb=
sp;</span></p>
</div>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond, serif;color:black;">Tha=
nks</span></p>
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<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond, serif;color:black;">&nb=
sp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond, serif;color:black;">Joe=
l Martin</span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-se=
rif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:black;">&=
nbsp;</span></p>
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No, my car had less HP at the time (260 with 4bbl and headers) and stock fr=
ont suspension. We all ran together in SCCA F Stock.=C2=A0 But, I did have =
KONI's, optimized alignment, limited slip and bolt on TMC traction bars. Th=
at all changed when I went to the 302/5spd combo further down the road. Als=
o, I don't believe a rear bar or the motors your Dad and Stan were running =
were factory options and none of us were technically stock legal (but, the =
faster Camaro and Mustang drivers didn't care lol) But I might be misrememb=
ering, it was a long time ago :)
No doubt, a rear bar can be made to work correctly, just look at Buck's rac=
e car. Of course, they also run BIG front springs and bar! The real point I=
'm making is that installing an off the shelf Addco bar on a stock suspensi=
on car has not been optimal in my experience.=C2=A0=C2=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: Taylor, Matthew <[email-masked]>
To: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <garywinblad=
@comcast.net>; [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 9:49 am
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

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I was just comparing two stock Tigers with factory options.=C2=A0 I think y=
ou were a bit more modified and Stan runs a 1=E2=80=9D front sway bar.=C2=
=A0 I don=E2=80=99t think he has a rear bar but I=E2=80=99m not positive.
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
And Gary, the set up isn=E2=80=99t that hard.=C2=A0 100% stock rear springs=
.=C2=A0 Slightly stiffer front springs.
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
Matthew
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
From: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:41 AM
To: [email-masked]; Taylor, Matthew <[email-masked]>; tigers@autox=
.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
=20
Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey when I first started autocrossing my Tig=
er, both of them were fantastic drivers with tons of experience, But, I end=
ed up getting past them both and I think set up had a lot to do with it. Ef=
fectively giving up rear grip to make the car more neutral or "tossable" I =
don't think makes sense. But, end of day, what you (big "you") are most com=
fortable with in terms of set up is key and, you're right, for most drivers=
 that will be more important in terms of time on course than ultimate grip =
:)

-----Original Message-----
From: GARY WINBLAD <[email-masked]>
To: Taylor, Matthew <[email-masked]>; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers@au=
tox.team.net>; Michael Wood <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:21 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
=20
I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fast.
=20
It seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart.=C2=A0 The rear bar makes it=
 loose and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with power and his=
 posi.
=20
Very impressive and fast.
=20
Gary=C2=A0
=20

On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
=20
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From: Tigers <[email-masked]>On Behalf Of Michael Wood via T=
igers

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
To: Tiger List Serve <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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lack;"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:black;">No, my car had less HP at the time (260 with 4bbl and headers=
) and stock front suspension. We all ran together in SCCA F Stock.&nbsp; Bu=
t, I did have KONI's, optimized alignment, limited slip and bolt on TMC tra=
ction bars. That all changed when I went to the 302/5spd combo further down=
 the road. Also, I don't believe a rear bar or the motors your Dad and Stan=
 were running were factory options and none of us were technically stock le=
gal (but, the faster Camaro and Mustang drivers didn't care lol) But I migh=
t be misremembering, it was a long time ago :)</div><div style=3D"font-fami=
ly:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br></div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"=
>No doubt, a rear bar can be made to work correctly, just look at Buck's ra=
ce car. Of course, they also run BIG front springs and bar! The real point =
I'm making is that installing an off the shelf Addco bar on a stock suspens=
ion car has not been optimal in my experience.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br=
></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:black;"><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Taylor, Matth=
ew &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>To: Michael Wood &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; g=
[email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]=
et &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 9:49 am<br>Subj=
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal">I was just comparing two stock Tigers w=
ith factory options.&nbsp; I think you were a bit more modified and Stan ru=
ns a 1=E2=80=9D front sway bar.&nbsp; I don=E2=80=99t think he has a rear b=
ar but I=E2=80=99m not positive.</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal">And Gary, the set up isn=E2=80=99t that=
 hard.&nbsp; 100% stock rear springs.&nbsp; Slightly stiffer front springs.=
</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal">Matthew</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
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0in 0in;">
<div class=3D"yiv7269323203yqt9710400912" id=3D"yiv7269323203yqtfd50253"><p=
 class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Michael Wood &lt;mwood24020@=
aol.com&gt; <br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:41 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]; Taylor, Matthew &lt;[email-masked]&gt;;=
 [email-masked]<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</p>=20
</div></div><div class=3D"yiv7269323203yqt9710400912" id=3D"yiv7269323203yq=
tfd92895">
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Yep, Terry an=
d Stan were the bogey when I first started autocrossing my Tiger, both of t=
hem were fantastic drivers with tons of experience,
 But, I ended up getting past them both and I think set up had a lot to do =
with it. Effectively giving up rear grip to make the car more neutral or "t=
ossable" I don't think makes sense. But, end of day, what you (big "you") a=
re most comfortable with in terms
 of set up is key and, you're right, for most drivers that will be more imp=
ortant in terms of time on course than ultimate grip :)<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: GARY WINBLAD &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rec=
t" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"no=
ne">
To: Taylor, Matthew &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"re=
ct" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:MTay=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers &lt;<a rel=
=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tige=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Michael Wood &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener nor=
eferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=
=3D"none">
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:21 am<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>=20
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<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him an=
d his car are VERY fast.
</span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">It seems to be set up very hard like a go-car=
t.&nbsp; The rear bar makes it loose and he steers it (wags the tail) aroun=
d the cones with power and his posi.
</span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">Very impressive and fast.
</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">Gary&nbsp;
</span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Ti=
gers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox=
.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
</span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">I don=E2=80=99t know about =E2=80=9Ctotal gri=
p capability,=E2=80=9D but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the re=
ar sway bar and it works great.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve driven and autocrossed
 Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway bar and they=
 both handle great but different.&nbsp; A good driver can adjust to the dif=
ferences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much fa=
ster than the other.&nbsp; It=E2=80=99s possible that
 one could be faster than the other depending on the type of course, but it=
 would be fractions of a second based on my autocross experiences.</span></=
p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">Matthew</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">From:</span></strong><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"> Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"=
nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers-bounc=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">On Behalf Of </span></stron=
g>Michael Wood via Tigers<br clear=3D"none">
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">Sent:</span></strong> Wedne=
sday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">To:</span></strong> <a rel=
=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">
[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none">
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">Subject:</span></strong> Re=
: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>=20
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</div>
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<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an afte=
rmarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated =
with heim joints, correct angles,
 adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that ma=
de any sense or was additive to total grip capability.&nbsp;</span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Mike<br clear=
=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" sh=
ape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=
=3D"none">
To: Tiger List Serve &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"r=
ect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>=20
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-fa=
mily:serif;color:black;">Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger=
 or was it a LAT option or not?&nbsp; Size, mounting points? Either way cou=
ld someone post some pictures of
 how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?</span><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-fa=
mily:serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-fa=
mily:serif;color:black;">Thanks</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-fa=
mily:serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-fa=
mily:serif;color:black;">Joel Martin</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></p>=20
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Should have added, the TMC rear sway bars did get an LAT number way down th=
e road, but were never a Rootes or factory offered piece. In any case, at t=
hat time (and now), the sanctioning body we were running with, SCCA, deemed=
 LAT options as aftermarket, not factory. So, semantics, perhaps.
In any case, there are a lot of moving pieces (literally lol) in any suspen=
sion discussion. I'm just sharing my experience, which includes lots of tes=
ting and SCCA national level autocross success=C2=A0 :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Wood via Tigers <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <garywinblad@c=
omcast.net>; [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 10:07 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

-----Original Message-----
From: Taylor, Matthew <[email-masked]>
To: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <garywinblad=

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I was just comparing two stock Tigers with factory options.=C2=A0 I think y=
ou were a bit more modified and Stan runs a 1=E2=80=9D front sway bar.=C2=
=A0 I don=E2=80=99t think he has a rear bar but I=E2=80=99m not positive.
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 =C2=A0
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And Gary, the set up isn=E2=80=99t that hard.=C2=A0 100% stock rear springs=
.=C2=A0 Slightly stiffer front springs.
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Matthew
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From: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:41 AM
To: [email-masked]; Taylor, Matthew <[email-masked]>; tigers@autox=
.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
=20
Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey when I first started autocrossing my Tig=
er, both of them were fantastic drivers with tons of experience, But, I end=
ed up getting past them both and I think set up had a lot to do with it. Ef=
fectively giving up rear grip to make the car more neutral or "tossable" I =
don't think makes sense. But, end of day, what you (big "you") are most com=
fortable with in terms of set up is key and, you're right, for most drivers=
 that will be more important in terms of time on course than ultimate grip =
:)

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
To: Tiger List Serve <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
=20

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pt; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f; font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Should have added, the TMC rear sway bar=
s did get an LAT number way down the road, but were never a Rootes or facto=
ry offered piece. In any case, at that time (and now), the sanctioning body=
 we were running with, SCCA, deemed LAT options as aftermarket, not factory=
. So, semantics, perhaps.</div><div style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: a=
rial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br></div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: bl=
ack;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:=
 10pt; color: black;">In any case, there are a lot of moving pieces (litera=
lly lol) in any suspension discussion. I'm just sharing my experience, whic=
h includes lots of testing and SCCA national level autocross success&nbsp; =
:)</div><div style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 1=
0pt; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-ser=
if; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: ar=
ial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D=
"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><=
br></div><div style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: =
10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-se=
rif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: a=
rial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style=
=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;=
"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-siz=
e: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans=
-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br><br>-----Original Message-----<=
br>From: Michael Wood via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>To: MTayl=
[email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked] &lt;garywinblad@c=
omcast.net&gt;; [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Sent=
: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 10:07 am<br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar<b=
r><br></div><div id=3D"yiv5822410889"><div><div style=3D"font-size: 10pt; f=
ont-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"=
font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; color: black;">=
<div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; c=
olor: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 10pt; color: black;">No, my car had less HP at the time (260 wit=
h 4bbl and headers) and stock front suspension. We all ran together in SCCA=
 F Stock.&nbsp; But, I did have KONI's, optimized alignment, limited slip a=
nd bolt on TMC traction bars. That all changed when I went to the 302/5spd =
combo further down the road. Also, I don't believe a rear bar or the motors=
 your Dad and Stan were running were factory options and none of us were te=
chnically stock legal (but, the faster Camaro and Mustang drivers didn't ca=
re lol) But I might be misremembering, it was a long time ago :)</div><div =
style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:=
 black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-=
size: 10pt; color: black;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=3D"font-fami=
ly: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-=
style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:=
 black;">No doubt, a rear bar can be made to work correctly, just look at B=
uck's race car. Of course, they also run BIG front springs and bar! The rea=
l point I'm making is that installing an off the shelf Addco bar on a stock=
 suspension car has not been optimal in my experience.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><di=
v style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; colo=
r: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; fon=
t-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5822=
410889yqt6301996794" id=3D"yiv5822410889yqt35253"><div style=3D"font-family=
: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-st=
yle=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: b=
lack;"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">-----Origin=
al Message-----<br clear=3D"none">From: Taylor, Matthew &lt;[email-masked]&=
gt;<br clear=3D"none">To: Michael Wood &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; garywinb=
[email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked] &lt;=
[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 9:49 am=
<br clear=3D"none">Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar<br clear=3D"no=
ne"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv5822410889"><style>#yiv582241088=
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<p class=3D"yiv5822410889MsoNormal">I was just comparing two stock Tigers w=
ith factory options.&nbsp; I think you were a bit more modified and Stan ru=
ns a 1=E2=80=9D front sway bar.&nbsp; I don=E2=80=99t think he has a rear b=
ar but I=E2=80=99m not positive.</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889MsoNormal">And Gary, the set up isn=E2=80=99t that=
 hard.&nbsp; 100% stock rear springs.&nbsp; Slightly stiffer front springs.=
</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889MsoNormal">Matthew</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
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<div class=3D"yiv5822410889yqt9710400912" id=3D"yiv5822410889yqtfd50253"><p=
 class=3D"yiv5822410889MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Michael Wood &lt;mwood24020@=
aol.com&gt; <br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:41 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]; Taylor, Matthew &lt;[email-masked]&gt;;=
 [email-masked]<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</p>=20
</div></div><div class=3D"yiv5822410889yqt9710400912" id=3D"yiv5822410889yq=
tfd92895">
</div></div><div class=3D"yiv5822410889yqt9710400912" id=3D"yiv5822410889yq=
tfd33419">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" data-m=
ce-style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; fon=
t-family: sans-serif; color: black;">Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey whe=
n I first started autocrossing my Tiger, both of them were fantastic driver=
s with tons of experience,
 But, I ended up getting past them both and I think set up had a lot to do =
with it. Effectively giving up rear grip to make the car more neutral or "t=
ossable" I don't think makes sense. But, end of day, what you (big "you") a=
re most comfortable with in terms
 of set up is key and, you're right, for most drivers that will be more imp=
ortant in terms of time on course than ultimate grip :)<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: GARY WINBLAD &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rec=
t" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"no=
ne">
To: Taylor, Matthew &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"re=
ct" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:MTay=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers &lt;<a rel=
=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tige=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Michael Wood &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener nor=
eferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=
=3D"none">
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:21 am<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>=20
</div>
<div id=3D"yiv5822410889">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; fon=
t-family: sans-serif; color: black;">I have seen your dad(a long time ago),=
 him and his car are VERY fast.
</span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; fon=
t-family: sans-serif; color: black;">It seems to be set up very hard like a=
 go-cart.&nbsp; The rear bar makes it loose and he steers it (wags the tail=
) around the cones with power and his posi.
</span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; fon=
t-family: sans-serif; color: black;">Very impressive and fast.
</span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; fon=
t-family: sans-serif; color: black;">Gary&nbsp;
</span></p>=20
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;" data-mce-sty=
le=3D"margin-top: 5.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;">
<div id=3D"yiv5822410889yqt04544">
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; fon=
t-family: sans-serif; color: black;">On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew=
 via Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymai=
lto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tiger=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
</span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; fon=
t-family: sans-serif; color: black;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; fon=
t-family: sans-serif; color: black;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; fon=
t-family: sans-serif; color: black;">I don=E2=80=99t know about =E2=80=9Cto=
tal grip capability,=E2=80=9D but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with=
 the rear sway bar and it works great.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve driven and autocr=
ossed
 Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway bar and they=
 both handle great but different.&nbsp; A good driver can adjust to the dif=
ferences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much fa=
ster than the other.&nbsp; It=E2=80=99s possible that
 one could be faster than the other depending on the type of course, but it=
 would be fractions of a second based on my autocross experiences.</span></=
p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; fon=
t-family: sans-serif; color: black;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; fon=
t-family: sans-serif; color: black;">Matthew</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; fon=
t-family: sans-serif; color: black;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<div>
<div style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt=
 0in 0in 0in;" data-mce-style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.=
0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0p=
t; font-family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.=
0pt; font-family: sans-serif; color: black;">From:</span></strong><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-s=
tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: sans-serif; color: black;"> Tigers =
&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers-bo=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
<strong><span style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-fam=
ily: sans-serif;">On Behalf Of </span></strong>Michael Wood via Tigers<br c=
lear=3D"none">
<strong><span style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-fam=
ily: sans-serif;">Sent:</span></strong> Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 =
PM<br clear=3D"none">
<strong><span style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-fam=
ily: sans-serif;">To:</span></strong> <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferre=
r" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">
[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none">
<strong><span style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-fam=
ily: sans-serif;">Subject:</span></strong> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar=
</span></p>=20
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; fon=
t-family: sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; fon=
t-family: sans-serif; color: black;">Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is =
an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabr=
icated with heim joints, correct angles,
 adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that ma=
de any sense or was additive to total grip capability.&nbsp;</span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; fon=
t-family: sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" data-m=
ce-style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; fon=
t-family: sans-serif; color: black;">Mike<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" sh=
ape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=
=3D"none">
To: Tiger List Serve &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"r=
ect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>=20
</div>
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-=
family: serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-fam=
ily: serif; color: black;">Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tig=
er or was it a LAT option or not?&nbsp; Size, mounting points? Either way c=
ould someone post some pictures of
 how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?</span><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size: 10.0pt; font-family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"=
font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-=
family: serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-fam=
ily: serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; f=
ont-family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;=
 font-family: sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-=
family: serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-fam=
ily: serif; color: black;">Thanks</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; f=
ont-family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;=
 font-family: sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-=
family: serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-fam=
ily: serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; f=
ont-family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;=
 font-family: sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-=
family: serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-fam=
ily: serif; color: black;">Joel Martin</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0=
pt; font-family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p>=20
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From: steve wick via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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I've emailed Tom in the past, and he does make a nice kit. My car had the "=
typical" ripped frame rail in addition to the parts being missing. Without =
knowing about Tom's kit in 2008, what I did was make a plate with coupling =
nuts welded to the surface of it in the proper locations, opened up the hol=
e in the inner frame rail a little more and welded the plate to the inside =
of the outer frame half. I then made a flat plate with holes that fit over,=
 but flush with the end of the coupling nuts and butt welded that to the in=
ner frame rail half and the outside circumference of the coupling nuts. It =
looks like an undamaged flat frame section with threaded bosses for the pan=
hard bar bracket bolts to go into, but is reinforced and connected to both =
sides of the frame rail. That's why I was looking for just the bracket and =
bar, but either I was unaware of or had forgotten about the angle/alignment=
 issue. It sounds like what I should just do at this point is put my car up=
 on the lift and custom build a bracket and bar, located so the bar is para=
llel with the ground and not at an angle.

Steve

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From: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:01 AM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <srwi=
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

issues.

tigerengineering.net

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Brown <[email-masked]>
To: steve wick <[email-masked]>
Cc: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <tigers@autox.=

Thanks,
Joe Brown

Steve

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m.net>> on behalf of Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <[email-masked]<mail=
to:[email-masked]>>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:07 AM
[email-masked]>>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Matthew

m.net>> On Behalf Of Michael Wood via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Mike

-----Original Message-----
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Thanks

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I've emailed Tom in the past, and he does make a nice kit. My car had the &=
quot;typical&quot; ripped frame rail in addition to the parts being missing=
. Without knowing about Tom's kit in 2008, what I did was make a plate with=
 coupling nuts welded to the surface of it
 in the proper locations, opened up the hole in the inner frame rail a litt=
le more and welded the plate to the inside of the outer frame half. I then =
made a flat plate with holes that fit over, but flush with the end of the c=
oupling nuts and butt welded that
 to the inner frame rail half and the outside circumference of the coupling=
 nuts. It looks like an undamaged flat frame section with threaded bosses f=
or the panhard bar bracket bolts to go into, but is reinforced and connecte=
d to both sides of the frame rail.
 That's why I was looking for just the bracket and bar, but either I was un=
aware of or had forgotten about the angle/alignment issue. It sounds like w=
hat I should just do at this point is put my car up on the lift and custom =
build a bracket and bar, located
 so the bar is parallel with the ground and not at an angle.</div>
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lor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Michael Wood &lt;mwoo=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; srwick@hotm=
ail.com &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; MTaylor@ea.=
com &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</font>
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If you guys are going to put Panhard bars back on, I'd suggest getting one =
of Tom Hall's kits which helps with the bar angle and addresses mount area =
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Joe Brown &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: steve wick &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: Michael Wood &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked] &lt;tige=
[email-masked]&gt;; Taylor, Matthew &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:55 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar<br>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Joe Brown</div>
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<div class=3D"x_yiv3215029533gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 a=
t 9:50 AM steve wick via Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer"=
 shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tig=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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On a slightly different note, my Tiger is missing the panhard bar and mount=
ing bracket. I've looked off and on for several years and never found one. =
I know I can get a reinforced bracket that welds in, but don't run my car h=
ard and prefer &quot;factory&quot;. If anyone
 has a bar and bracket laying around and wants to sell, or if I could get p=
ictures and measurements of both so I could replicate them, please email me=
 off list. I have a Mk1 with the bracket on the right side. Thanks&nbsp;guy=
s.</div>
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e:11pt; color:#000000; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank=
" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a>&gt;
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referrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:07 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Michael Wood &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mwood24020@a=
ol.com</a>&gt;;
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ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">
[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I d=
on=92t know about =93total grip capability,=94 but you have seen my dad dri=
ve his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.&nbsp; I=92ve driven=
 and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly
 with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different=
.&nbsp; A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of =
the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.&nbsp; It=92=
s possible that one could be faster than the
 other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a seco=
nd based on my autocross experiences.</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">&nb=
sp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Mat=
thew</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">&nb=
sp;</p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>=
From:</b> Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect"=
 target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tigers-bou=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Wood via Tigers<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D=
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[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif">&nbsp;</span></p>
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an style=3D"font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">Like=
 said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to=
 see one (not counting custom fabricated
 with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction wi=
th front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total gri=
p capability.&nbsp;</span></p>
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an style=3D"font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">&nbs=
p;</span></p>
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erif"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:bl=
ack">Mike<br clear=3D"none">
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From: Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" sh=
ape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tigers=
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To: Tiger List Serve &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"r=
ect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
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Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>
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an style=3D"font-size:12pt; font-family:Garamond,serif; color:black">Was a =
rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?=
&nbsp; Size, mounting points? Either way
 could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted an=
d installed?</span></p>
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an style=3D"font-size:12pt; font-family:Garamond,serif; color:black">Thanks=
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I believe that was LAT 40?

Also, don't forget that all factory options were legal in SCCA in 1965 and =
in the AHRA in at least 1965-1967 (I don't know if anything changed after t=
hat in the AHRA).  But that was back when things really mattered for the fa=
ctory efforts and when the Tiger was a World and National champ in the AHRA=
 and should have been National champ the NHRA but that is another story.

Matthew

From: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:21 AM
To: [email-masked]; Taylor, Matthew <[email-masked]>; garywinblad@co=
mcast.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

In any case, there are a lot of moving pieces (literally lol) in any suspen=
sion discussion. I'm just sharing my experience, which includes lots of tes=
ting and SCCA national level autocross success  :)

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am.net>>
t>>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 10:07 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
No, my car had less HP at the time (260 with 4bbl and headers) and stock fr=
ont suspension. We all ran together in SCCA F Stock.  But, I did have KONI'=
s, optimized alignment, limited slip and bolt on TMC traction bars. That al=
l changed when I went to the 302/5spd combo further down the road. Also, I =
don't believe a rear bar or the motors your Dad and Stan were running were =
factory options and none of us were technically stock legal (but, the faste=
r Camaro and Mustang drivers didn't care lol) But I might be misremembering=
, it was a long time ago :)

No doubt, a rear bar can be made to work correctly, just look at Buck's rac=
e car. Of course, they also run BIG front springs and bar! The real point I=
'm making is that installing an off the shelf Addco bar on a stock suspensi=
on car has not been optimal in my experience.

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 9:49 am
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

I was just comparing two stock Tigers with factory options.  I think you we=
re a bit more modified and Stan runs a 1" front sway bar.  I don't think he=
 has a rear bar but I'm not positive.

And Gary, the set up isn't that hard.  100% stock rear springs.  Slightly s=
tiffer front springs.

Matthew

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Gary

On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <[email-masked]<ma=
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Matthew

Mike

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Thanks

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I believe that was LAT 40?&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Also, don&#8217;t forget that all factory options we=
re legal in SCCA in 1965 and in the AHRA in at least 1965-1967 (I don&#8217=
;t know if anything changed after that in the AHRA).&nbsp; But that was bac=
k when things really mattered for the factory efforts
 and when the Tiger was a World and National champ in the AHRA and should h=
ave been National champ the NHRA but that is another story.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Matthew<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Michael Wood &lt;[email-masked]&gt;=
 <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]; Taylor, Matthew &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; g=
[email-masked]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Should have added, the TMC rear sway bars=
 did get an LAT number way down the road, but were never a Rootes or factor=
y offered piece. In any case, at that time (and
 now), the sanctioning body we were running with, SCCA, deemed LAT options =
as aftermarket, not factory. So, semantics, perhaps.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">In any case, there are a lot of moving pi=
eces (literally lol) in any suspension discussion. I'm just sharing my expe=
rience, which includes lots of testing and SCCA
 national level autocross success&nbsp; :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Michael Wood via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 10:07 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">No, my car had less HP at the time (260 w=
ith 4bbl and headers) and stock front suspension. We all ran together in SC=
CA F Stock.&nbsp; But, I did have KONI's, optimized
 alignment, limited slip and bolt on TMC traction bars. That all changed wh=
en I went to the 302/5spd combo further down the road. Also, I don't believ=
e a rear bar or the motors your Dad and Stan were running were factory opti=
ons and none of us were technically
 stock legal (but, the faster Camaro and Mustang drivers didn't care lol) B=
ut I might be misremembering, it was a long time ago :)<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">No doubt, a rear bar can be made to work =
correctly, just look at Buck's race car. Of course, they also run BIG front=
 springs and bar! The real point I'm making is
 that installing an off the shelf Addco bar on a stock suspension car has n=
ot been optimal in my experience.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Taylor, Matthew &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt;<br>
To: Michael Wood &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
om</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">
[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 9:49 am<br>
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">I was just comparing two sto=
ck Tigers with factory options.&nbsp; I think you were a bit more modified =
and Stan runs a 1&#8221; front sway bar.&nbsp; I don&#8217;t think he
 has a rear bar but I&#8217;m not positive.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">And Gary, the set up isn&#82=
17;t that hard.&nbsp; 100% stock rear springs.&nbsp; Slightly stiffer front=
 springs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Matthew<o:p></o:p></span></p=
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
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0in 0in">
<div id=3D"yiv5822410889yqtfd50253">
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black=
"> Michael Wood &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
m</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a>; Taylor, Matthew &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
m</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div id=3D"yiv5822410889yqtfd33419">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:blac=
k">Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey when I first started autocrossing my =
Tiger, both of them were fantastic drivers with
 tons of experience, But, I ended up getting past them both and I think set=
 up had a lot to do with it. Effectively giving up rear grip to make the ca=
r more neutral or &quot;tossable&quot; I don't think makes sense. But, end =
of day, what you (big &quot;you&quot;) are most comfortable
 with in terms of set up is key and, you're right, for most drivers that wi=
ll be more important in terms of time on course than ultimate grip :)<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: GARY WINBLAD &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
To: Taylor, Matthew &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:t=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Mich=
ael Wood &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mwood2=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:21 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"yiv5822410889">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black">I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fast=
.
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black">It seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart.&nbsp; The rear bar m=
akes it loose and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with power =
and his posi.
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black">Very impressive and fast.
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black">Gary&nbsp;
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div id=3D"yiv5822410889yqt04544">
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black">On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black">I don&#8217;t know about &#8220;total grip capability,&#8221; but yo=
u have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works grea=
t.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up
 properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but =
different.&nbsp; A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advan=
tages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.&nb=
sp; It&#8217;s possible that one could be faster
 than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions =
of a second based on my autocross experiences.</span><span style=3D"color:b=
lack"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black">Matthew</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></stron=
g><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:black"> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
m.net</a>&gt;
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">On Behalf =
Of </span></strong>Michael Wood via Tigers<br>
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Sent:</spa=
n></strong> Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM<br>
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">To:</span>=
</strong> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">
[email-masked]</a><br>
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Subject:</=
span></strong> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span><span style=3D"color:=
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black">Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and =
I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, corre=
ct angles, adjustability etc used in
 conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additi=
ve to total grip capability.&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Mike<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
To: Tiger List Serve &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm<br>
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">Was a rear sway bar or=
iginally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?&nbsp; Size, mou=
nting points? Either way could someone post some pictures
 of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?</span><span style=3D=
"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span sty=
le=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">Thanks</span><span sty=
le=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span sty=
le=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"yiv5822410889msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">Joel Martin</span><spa=
n style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I think what you're suggesting would work better than trying to replicate t=
he stock set up.=C2=A0Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: steve wick <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; Michael Wood <mwood24020=
@aol.com>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <MTaylor@=
ea.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 2:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

#yiv2295268496 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I've emailed Tom in the pas=
t, and he does make a nice kit. My car had the "typical" ripped frame rail =
in addition to the parts being missing. Without knowing about Tom's kit in =
2008, what I did was make a plate with coupling nuts welded to the surface =
of it in the proper locations, opened up the hole in the inner frame rail a=
 little more and welded the plate to the inside of the outer frame half. I =
then made a flat plate with holes that fit over, but flush with the end of =
the coupling nuts and butt welded that to the inner frame rail half and the=
 outside circumference of the coupling nuts. It looks like an undamaged fla=
t frame section with threaded bosses for the panhard bar bracket bolts to g=
o into, but is reinforced and connected to both sides of the frame rail. Th=
at's why I was looking for just the bracket and bar, but either I was unawa=
re of or had forgotten about the angle/alignment issue. It sounds like what=
 I should just do at this point is put my car up on the lift and custom bui=
ld a bracket and bar, located so the bar is parallel with the ground and no=
t at an angle.
Steve
From: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:01 AM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <srwi=
[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <MTaylor@=
ea.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar=C2=A0If you guys are going to put=
 Panhard bars back on, I'd suggest getting one of Tom Hall's kits which hel=
ps with the bar angle and addresses mount area issues.=C2=A0
tigerengineering.net
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Brown <[email-masked]>
To: steve wick <[email-masked]>
Cc: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <tigers@autox.=

To: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>;[email-masked] <[email-masked]=
eam.net>

=C2=A0

Matthew

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
To: Tiger List Serve <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

=C2=A0

Thanks

=C2=A0

Joel Martin

=C2=A0

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<div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:b=
lack;"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:black;">I think what you're suggesting would work better than trying =
to replicate the stock set up.&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,h=
elvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Mike<br><br><br>-----Origi=
nal Message-----<br>From: steve wick &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>To: jbbr=
[email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Michael Wood &lt;mwood2402=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>Cc: [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; M=
[email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 2:00 pm<br>=
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar<br><br></div><div id=3D"yiv229526=
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or:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
I've emailed Tom in the past, and he does make a nice kit. My car had the "=
typical" ripped frame rail in addition to the parts being missing. Without =
knowing about Tom's kit in 2008, what I did was make a plate with coupling =
nuts welded to the surface of it
 in the proper locations, opened up the hole in the inner frame rail a litt=
le more and welded the plate to the inside of the outer frame half. I then =
made a flat plate with holes that fit over, but flush with the end of the c=
oupling nuts and butt welded that
 to the inner frame rail half and the outside circumference of the coupling=
 nuts. It looks like an undamaged flat frame section with threaded bosses f=
or the panhard bar bracket bolts to go into, but is reinforced and connecte=
d to both sides of the frame rail.
 That's why I was looking for just the bracket and bar, but either I was un=
aware of or had forgotten about the angle/alignment issue. It sounds like w=
hat I should just do at this point is put my car up on the lift and custom =
build a bracket and bar, located
 so the bar is parallel with the ground and not at an angle.</div>
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0; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>From:</b> Michael Wood &lt;mwood24=
[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:01 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; srwick@hotm=
ail.com &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; MTaylor@ea.=
com &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span>
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:black;">
If you guys are going to put Panhard bars back on, I'd suggest getting one =
of Tom Hall's kits which helps with the bar angle and addresses mount area =
issues.&nbsp;</div>
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From: Joe Brown &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
To: steve wick &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
Cc: Michael Wood &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked] &lt;tige=
[email-masked]&gt;; Taylor, Matthew &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"n=
one">
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar<br clear=3D"none">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I would also like pictures or drawings.
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Joe Brown</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv2295268496x_yiv3215029533gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, S=
ep 30, 2021 at 9:50 AM steve wick via Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopene=
r noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
On a slightly different note, my Tiger is missing the panhard bar and mount=
ing bracket. I've looked off and on for several years and never found one. =
I know I can get a reinforced bracket that welds in, but don't run my car h=
ard and prefer "factory". If anyone
 has a bar and bracket laying around and wants to sell, or if I could get p=
ictures and measurements of both so I could replicate them, please email me=
 off list. I have a Mk1 with the bracket on the right side. Thanks&nbsp;guy=
s.</div>
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Steve</div>
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805divRplyFwdMsg"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:#000000;font-family:C=
alibri, sans-serif;"><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener no=
referrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tigers-bounc=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;
 on behalf of Taylor, Matthew via Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener no=
referrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:07 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Michael Wood &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;
<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:ti=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">I d=
on=E2=80=99t know about =E2=80=9Ctotal grip capability,=E2=80=9D but you ha=
ve seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.&n=
bsp; I=E2=80=99ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly
 with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different=
.&nbsp; A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of =
the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.&nbsp; It=E2=
=80=99s possible that one could be faster than the
 other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a seco=
nd based on my autocross experiences.</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">&nb=
sp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Mat=
thew</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">&nb=
sp;</p>
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From:</b> Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect"=
 ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Wood via Tigers<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@a=
utox.team.net">
[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</p>
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<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p=
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:black;">Like=
 said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to=
 see one (not counting custom fabricated
 with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction wi=
th front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total gri=
p capability.&nbsp;</span></p>
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an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:black;">&nbs=
p;</span></p>
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rif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:bla=
ck;">Mike<br clear=3D"none">
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-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" sh=
ape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=
=3D"none">
To: Tiger List Serve &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"r=
ect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond, serif;color:black;">Was a =
rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?=
&nbsp; Size, mounting points? Either way
 could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted an=
d installed?</span></p>
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an style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond, serif;color:black;">&nbsp;=
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an style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond, serif;color:black;">Thanks=
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an style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond, serif;color:black;">&nbsp;=
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond, serif;color:black;">Joel M=
artin</span></p>
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rif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:bla=
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Yep, Sunbeam got screwed by the SCCA (and Ford's money) when it came to the=
 LAT options. Other hand, I'll bet if the HSC car was scrutinized back in t=
he day, they'd have found a lot more than a few LAT listed items... ;)
Mike=C2=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: Taylor, Matthew <[email-masked]>
To: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <tigers@autox.=
team.net>; [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 2:20 pm
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

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Also, don=E2=80=99t forget that all factory options were legal in SCCA in 1=
965 and in the AHRA in at least 1965-1967 (I don=E2=80=99t know if anything=
 changed after that in the AHRA).=C2=A0 But that was back when things reall=
y mattered for the factory efforts and when the Tiger was a World and Natio=
nal champ in the AHRA and should have been National champ the NHRA but that=
 is another story.
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Matthew
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Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:21 AM
To: [email-masked]; Taylor, Matthew <[email-masked]>; garywinblad@co=
mcast.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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Should have added, the TMC rear sway bars did get an LAT number way down th=
e road, but were never a Rootes or factory offered piece. In any case, at t=
hat time (and now), the sanctioning body we were running with, SCCA, deemed=
 LAT options as aftermarket, not factory. So, semantics, perhaps.
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In any case, there are a lot of moving pieces (literally lol) in any suspen=
sion discussion. I'm just sharing my experience, which includes lots of tes=
ting and SCCA national level autocross success=C2=A0 :)
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To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>;[email-masked] <garywinblad@co=
mcast.net>;[email-masked] <[email-masked]>

-----Original Message-----
From: Taylor, Matthew <[email-masked]>
To: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <garywinblad=
@comcast.net>;[email-masked] <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]; Taylor, Matthew <[email-masked]>;tigers@autox.=
team.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
To: Tiger List Serve <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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color:black;">Yep, Sunbeam got screwed by the SCCA (and Ford's money) when =
it came to the LAT options. Other hand, I'll bet if the HSC car was scrutin=
ized back in the day, they'd have found a lot more than a few LAT listed it=
ems... ;)</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-si=
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am.net&gt;; [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Sent=
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<p class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal">I believe that was LAT 40?&nbsp; </p>=
=20
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal">Also, don=E2=80=99t forget that all fac=
tory options were legal in SCCA in 1965 and in the AHRA in at least 1965-19=
67 (I don=E2=80=99t know if anything changed after that in the AHRA).&nbsp;=
 But that was back when things really mattered for the factory efforts
 and when the Tiger was a World and National champ in the AHRA and should h=
ave been National champ the NHRA but that is another story.</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal">Matthew</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
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0in 0in;">
<div class=3D"yiv2278680282yqt2376316299" id=3D"yiv2278680282yqtfd84360"><p=
 class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Michael Wood &lt;mwood24020@=
aol.com&gt; <br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:21 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]; Taylor, Matthew &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; g=
[email-masked]<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</p>=20
</div></div><div class=3D"yiv2278680282yqt2376316299" id=3D"yiv2278680282yq=
tfd08210">
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tfd70231">
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<p class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">Should have added, the TMC rear sway bars did=
 get an LAT number way down the road, but were never a Rootes or factory of=
fered piece. In any case, at that time (and
 now), the sanctioning body we were running with, SCCA, deemed LAT options =
as aftermarket, not factory. So, semantics, perhaps.</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">In any case, there are a lot of moving pieces=
 (literally lol) in any suspension discussion. I'm just sharing my experien=
ce, which includes lots of testing and SCCA
 national level autocross success&nbsp; :)</span></p>=20
</div>
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<p class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"><br clear=3D"=
none">
<br clear=3D"none">
-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: Michael Wood via Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" s=
hape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=
=3D"none">
To: <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">MTaylor@=
ea.com</a> &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymail=
to=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;
<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:ga=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comcast=
.net">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferre=
r" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
;
<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:ti=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" sha=
pe=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D=
"none">
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 10:07 am<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">No, my car had less HP at the time (260 with =
4bbl and headers) and stock front suspension. We all ran together in SCCA F=
 Stock.&nbsp; But, I did have KONI's, optimized
 alignment, limited slip and bolt on TMC traction bars. That all changed wh=
en I went to the 302/5spd combo further down the road. Also, I don't believ=
e a rear bar or the motors your Dad and Stan were running were factory opti=
ons and none of us were technically
 stock legal (but, the faster Camaro and Mustang drivers didn't care lol) B=
ut I might be misremembering, it was a long time ago :)</span></p>=20
</div>
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<p class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">No doubt, a rear bar can be made to work corr=
ectly, just look at Buck's race car. Of course, they also run BIG front spr=
ings and bar! The real point I'm making is
 that installing an off the shelf Addco bar on a stock suspension car has n=
ot been optimal in my experience.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></p>=20
</div>
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<p class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<div id=3D"yiv2278680282yqt35253">
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<p class=3D"yiv2278680282MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"><br clear=3D"=
none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: Taylor, Matthew &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"=
rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:MT=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
To: Michael Wood &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect"=
 ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:mwo=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener no=
referrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">
[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" sha=
pe=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;
<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:ti=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" sha=
pe=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D=
"none">
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 9:49 am<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">I was just comparing two stock Tigers with fa=
ctory options.&nbsp; I think you were a bit more modified and Stan runs a 1=
=E2=80=9D front sway bar.&nbsp; I don=E2=80=99t think he
 has a rear bar but I=E2=80=99m not positive.</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">And Gary, the set up isn=E2=80=99t that hard.=
&nbsp; 100% stock rear springs.&nbsp; Slightly stiffer front springs.</span=
></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">Matthew</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in;">
<div id=3D"yiv2278680282yqtfd50253">
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:sans-serif;color:black;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"> Michael Wood &lt;<a rel=3D"nofo=
llow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
om" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt;
<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:41 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:garywi=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>; Taylor, Matthew &lt;<a rel=
=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:MTaylor@=
ea.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt;;
<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:ti=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
">[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>=20
</div>
</div>
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<div id=3D"yiv2278680282yqtfd33419">
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<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Yep, Terry an=
d Stan were the bogey when I first started autocrossing my Tiger, both of t=
hem were fantastic drivers with
 tons of experience, But, I ended up getting past them both and I think set=
 up had a lot to do with it. Effectively giving up rear grip to make the ca=
r more neutral or "tossable" I don't think makes sense. But, end of day, wh=
at you (big "you") are most comfortable
 with in terms of set up is key and, you're right, for most drivers that wi=
ll be more important in terms of time on course than ultimate grip :)<br cl=
ear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: GARY WINBLAD &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rec=
t" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"no=
ne">
To: Taylor, Matthew &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"re=
ct" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:MTay=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers &lt;<a rel=
=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tige=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Michael Wood &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener nor=
eferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=
=3D"none">
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:21 am<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>=20
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<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fas=
t.
</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">It seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart.&nbsp; The rear bar =
makes it loose and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with power=
 and his posi.
</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">Very impressive and fast.
</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">Gary&nbsp;
</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;">
<div id=3D"yiv2278680282yqt04544">
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nof=
ollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tigers@auto=
x.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:
</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
</div>
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<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">I don=E2=80=99t know about =E2=80=9Ctotal grip capability,=E2=80=9D=
 but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it wor=
ks great.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up
 properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but =
different.&nbsp; A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advan=
tages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.&nb=
sp; It=E2=80=99s possible that one could be faster
 than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions =
of a second based on my autocross experiences.</span><span style=3D"color:b=
lack;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">Matthew</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal1"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">From:</span></strong><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.0pt;color:black;"> Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener nore=
ferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tigers-bounces=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">On Behalf Of </span></stron=
g>Michael Wood via Tigers<br clear=3D"none">
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">Sent:</span></strong> Wedne=
sday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">To:</span></strong> <a rel=
=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">
[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none">
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">Subject:</span></strong> Re=
: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></=
p>=20
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and=
 I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, corr=
ect angles, adjustability etc used in
 conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additi=
ve to total grip capability.&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></spa=
n></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal1" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">Mike<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" sh=
ape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=
=3D"none">
To: Tiger List Serve &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"r=
ect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></=
span></p>=20
</div>
<div id=3D"yiv2278680282">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-f=
amily:New serif;color:black;">Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the =
Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?&nbsp; Size, mounting points? Either wa=
y could someone post some pictures
 of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?</span><span style=3D=
"color:black;"></span></p>=20
</div>
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<p class=3D"yiv2278680282msonormal1"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-f=
amily:New serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></s=
pan></p>=20
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amily:New serif;color:black;">Joel Martin</span><span style=3D"color:black;=
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From: Michael Wood via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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Agree 100%. The difference was factory cheating, with associated dollars, v=
ersus Doane's ingenuity :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Taylor, Matthew <[email-masked]>
To: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <tigers@autox.=
team.net>; [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 6:21 pm
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

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It wasn=E2=80=99t just Ford.=C2=A0 The Tiger was beating all of the Corvett=
es too and Chevy knew the Tiger was the car to beat in the championships in=
 1965 (thus the wreck).=C2=A0 And I would bet they would find a lot of thin=
gs on all of the cars.=C2=A0 They were all doing whatever they could to get=
 an advantage.
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Matthew
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From: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 3:04 PM
To: Taylor, Matthew <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]; garywinblad@co=
mcast.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
Yep, Sunbeam got screwed by the SCCA (and Ford's money) when it came to the=
 LAT options. Other hand, I'll bet if the HSC car was scrutinized back in t=
he day, they'd have found a lot more than a few LAT listed items... ;)
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 =C2=A0
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Mike=C2=A0

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From: Taylor, Matthew <[email-masked]>
To: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <tigers@autox.=
team.net>;[email-masked] <[email-masked]>
I believe that was LAT 40?=C2=A0
To: [email-masked]; Taylor, Matthew <[email-masked]>;garywinblad@com=
cast.net

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To: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>;[email-masked] <garywinblad@=
comcast.net>;[email-masked] <[email-masked]>

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
To: Tiger List Serve <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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color:black;">Agree 100%. The difference was factory cheating, with associa=
ted dollars, versus Doane's ingenuity :)<br><br><br>-----Original Message--=
---<br>From: Taylor, Matthew &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>To: Michael Wood &lt=
;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt=
;; [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Sent: Thu, Se=
p 30, 2021 6:21 pm<br>Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar<br><br></di=
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045MsoNormal">It wasn=E2=80=99t just Ford.&nbsp; The =
Tiger was beating all of the Corvettes too and Chevy knew the Tiger was the=
 car to beat in the championships in 1965 (thus the wreck).&nbsp; And I wou=
ld bet they would find a lot of things on all of the cars.&nbsp; They
 were all doing whatever they could to get an advantage.</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045MsoNormal">Matthew</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<div class=3D"yiv1649358045yqt7722573936" id=3D"yiv1649358045yqt35603"><div=
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0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Michael Wood &lt;mwood2402=
[email-masked]&gt; <br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 3:04 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Taylor, Matthew &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]; g=
[email-masked]<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">Yep, Sunbeam got screwed by the SCCA (and For=
d's money) when it came to the LAT options. Other hand, I'll bet if the HSC=
 car was scrutinized back in the day, they'd
 have found a lot more than a few LAT listed items... ;)</span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Mike&nbsp;<br=
 clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: Taylor, Matthew &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"=
rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:MT=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
To: Michael Wood &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect"=
 ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:mwo=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener no=
referrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">
[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;
<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:ga=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comcast=
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nk" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
<br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 2:20 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">I believe that was LAT 40?&nbsp;
</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">Also, don=E2=80=99t forget that all factory o=
ptions were legal in SCCA in 1965 and in the AHRA in at least 1965-1967 (I =
don=E2=80=99t know if anything changed after
 that in the AHRA).&nbsp; But that was back when things really mattered for=
 the factory efforts and when the Tiger was a World and National champ in t=
he AHRA and should have been National champ the NHRA but that is another st=
ory.</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">Matthew</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in;">
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:sans-serif;color:black;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"> Michael Wood &lt;<a rel=3D"nofo=
llow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
om" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt;
<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:21 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@a=
utox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>; Taylor, Matthew &lt;<a rel=3D"nof=
ollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;
<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:ga=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comcast=
.net">[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">Should have added, the TMC rear sway bars did=
 get an LAT number way down the road, but were never a Rootes or factory of=
fered piece. In any case, at
 that time (and now), the sanctioning body we were running with, SCCA, deem=
ed LAT options as aftermarket, not factory. So, semantics, perhaps.</span><=
/p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">In any case, there are a lot of moving pieces=
 (literally lol) in any suspension discussion. I'm just sharing my experien=
ce, which includes lots of testing
 and SCCA national level autocross success&nbsp; :)</span></p>=20
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mily:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"><br clear=3D"=
none">
<br clear=3D"none">
-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: Michael Wood via Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" s=
hape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=
=3D"none">
To: <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">MTaylor@=
ea.com</a> &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymail=
to=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;
<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:ga=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comcast=
.net">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferre=
r" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
;
<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:ti=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" sha=
pe=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D=
"none">
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 10:07 am<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal4"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">No, my car had less HP at the time (260 with 4bbl and headers) and =
stock front suspension. We all ran together in SCCA F Stock.&nbsp; But, I d=
id have KONI's, optimized alignment, limited
 slip and bolt on TMC traction bars. That all changed when I went to the 30=
2/5spd combo further down the road. Also, I don't believe a rear bar or the=
 motors your Dad and Stan were running were factory options and none of us =
were technically stock legal (but,
 the faster Camaro and Mustang drivers didn't care lol) But I might be misr=
emembering, it was a long time ago :)</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></=
span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal4"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal4"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">No doubt, a rear bar can be made to work correctly, just look at Bu=
ck's race car. Of course, they also run BIG front springs and bar! The real=
 point I'm making is that installing
 an off the shelf Addco bar on a stock suspension car has not been optimal =
in my experience.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p=
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal4"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:black;"><br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: Taylor, Matthew &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"=
rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:MT=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
To: Michael Wood &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect"=
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Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 9:49 am<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span><span style=3D"color:black;=
"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal2"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">I was just comparing two stock Tigers with factory options.&nbsp; I=
 think you were a bit more modified and Stan runs a 1=E2=80=9D front sway b=
ar.&nbsp; I don=E2=80=99t think he has a rear bar but I=E2=80=99m not posit=
ive.</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal2"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal2"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">And Gary, the set up isn=E2=80=99t that hard.&nbsp; 100% stock rear=
 springs.&nbsp; Slightly stiffer front springs.</span><span style=3D"color:=
black;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal2"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal2"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">Matthew</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal2"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal2"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;col=
or:black;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:black;"> M=
ichael Wood &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymai=
lto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:mwood240=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:41 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:garywi=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>; Taylor, Matthew &lt;<a rel=
=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:MTaylor@=
ea.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt;;
<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:ti=
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span><span style=3D"color=
:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal2" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey =
when I first started autocrossing my Tiger, both of them were fantastic dri=
vers with tons of experience, But, I ended
 up getting past them both and I think set up had a lot to do with it. Effe=
ctively giving up rear grip to make the car more neutral or "tossable" I do=
n't think makes sense. But, end of day, what you (big "you") are most comfo=
rtable with in terms of set up is
 key and, you're right, for most drivers that will be more important in ter=
ms of time on course than ultimate grip :)<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: GARY WINBLAD &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rec=
t" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"no=
ne">
To: Taylor, Matthew &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"re=
ct" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:MTay=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers &lt;<a rel=
=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tige=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Michael Wood &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener nor=
eferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=
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Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:21 am<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span><span style=3D"color:black;=
"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fa=
st.
</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">It seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart.&nbsp; The rear bar=
 makes it loose and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with powe=
r and his posi.
</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">Very impressive and fast.
</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">Gary&nbsp;
</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"no=
follow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tigers@aut=
ox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:
</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">I don=E2=80=99t know about =E2=80=9Ctotal grip capability,=E2=80=
=9D but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it =
works great.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set =
up
 properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but =
different.&nbsp; A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advan=
tages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.&nb=
sp; It=E2=80=99s possible that one could be faster
 than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions =
of a second based on my autocross experiences.</span><span style=3D"color:b=
lack;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">Matthew</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">From:</span></strong><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;color:black;"> Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener nor=
eferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tigers-bounce=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">On Behalf Of </span></stron=
g>Michael Wood via Tigers<br clear=3D"none">
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">Sent:</span></strong> Wedne=
sday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">To:</span></strong> <a rel=
=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">
[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none">
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">Subject:</span></strong> Re=
: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></=
p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...an=
d I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, cor=
rect angles, adjustability etc used in
 conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additi=
ve to total grip capability.&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></spa=
n></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">Mike<br clear=3D"none">
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-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" sh=
ape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=
=3D"none">
To: Tiger List Serve &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"r=
ect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></=
span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:serif;color:black;">Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tig=
er or was it a LAT option or not?&nbsp; Size, mounting points? Either way c=
ould someone post some pictures
 of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?</span><span style=3D=
"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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family:serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span=
></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:serif;color:black;">Thanks</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span=
></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span=
></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:serif;color:black;">Joel Martin</span><span style=3D"color:black;"><=
/span></p>=20
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