Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Issue

From: Donald Antilla via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 16:42:50 -0400

I had this problem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible hydraulic hoses that had deteriorated inside. 
I changed them and the problem was resolved. 

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Or 203-264-8301 home

> On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey,
> 
> I'm scratching my head over an issue I'm having with my brakes.  This actually started last year and I'm just now trying to sort it out.
> 
> Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes lock up (only the fronts).  If I crack open either bleed screw they free up.  In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the master cylinder frees up the brakes.
> 
> I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and rebuilt the calipers.  This seems to leave the master cylinder.  I disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short line on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed any air out of it.  That all seems to work okay.
> 
> So, I'm looking for other ideas.  
> 
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown 
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I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbeam Specialties last week=
.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:42 PM Donald Antilla <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> I had this problem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible
> hydraulic hoses that had deteriorated inside.
> > On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <[email-masked]=
t>
> wrote:
> >
> > =EF=BB=BF
> > Hey,
> >
> > I'm scratching my head over an issue I'm having with my brakes.  This
> actually started last year and I'm just now trying to sort it out.
> >
> > Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes
> lock up (only the fronts).  If I crack open either bleed screw they free
> up.  In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the master
> cylinder frees up the brakes.
> >
> > I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and
> rebuilt the calipers.  This seems to leave the master cylinder.  I
> disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short line
> on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed
> any air out of it.  That all seems to work okay.
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbeam Spec=
ialties last week.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:42 PM Donald Antilla &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I had this problem =
on two different cars. The cause was old flexible hydraulic hoses that had =
deteriorated inside. <br>
I changed them and the problem was resolved. <br>
<br>
>From Don&#39;s iPhone 203-592-8427<br>
Or 203-264-8301 home<br>
<br>
&gt; On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =EF=BB=BF<br>
&gt; Hey,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I&#39;m scratching my head over an issue I&#39;m having with my brakes=
.=C2=A0 This actually started last year and I&#39;m just now trying to sort=
 it out.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes =
lock up (only the fronts).=C2=A0 If I crack open either bleed screw they fr=
ee up.=C2=A0 In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the mas=
ter cylinder frees up the brakes.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and rebu=
ilt the calipers.=C2=A0 This seems to leave the master cylinder.=C2=A0 I di=
sconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short line on =
it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed any =
air out of it.=C2=A0 That all seems to work okay.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; So, I&#39;m looking for other ideas.=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; Joe Brown <br>
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From: Joe Brown <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 15:48:20 -0500

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I should clarify.  I had the brake locking problem before I replaced or
rebuilt everything.  And I still have the same problem.  Could it be
something with the master cylinder?

Thanks,
Joe

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:45 PM Joe Brown <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbeam Specialties last
> week.
>
>> disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short lin=
e
>> on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could blee=
d
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I should clarify.=C2=A0 I had the brake locking problem be=
fore I replaced or rebuilt everything.=C2=A0 And I still have the same prob=
lem.=C2=A0 Could it be something with the master cylinder?<div><br></div><d=
iv>Thanks,</div><div>Joe</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:45 PM Joe Brown &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"=
ltr">I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbeam Specialties last=
 week.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:42 PM Donald Antilla &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I had this pr=
oblem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible hydraulic hoses tha=
t had deteriorated inside. <br>
I changed them and the problem was resolved. <br>
<br>
Or 203-264-8301 home<br>
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From: coolvt--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 21:00:19 +0000 (UTC)

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If cracking a line anywhere up to the MC releases the brakes, sounds like t=
he problem is in the MC.=C2=A0 Kit to rebuild is cheap.=C2=A0 Also, on a lo=
ng shot be sure the brake pedal is returning to it's original spot.=C2=A0 S=
ounds like something is binding either in the MC or the pedal.

In a message dated 6/24/2021 4:39:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@autox=
.team.net writes:=C2=A0Hey,=C2=A0I'm scratching my head over an issue I'm h=
aving with my brakes.=C2=A0 This actually started last year and I'm just no=
w trying to sort it out.=C2=A0Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a fe=
w times the front brakes lock up (only the fronts).=C2=A0 If I crack open e=
ither bleed screw they free up.=C2=A0 In fact, cracking open the line anywh=
ere going back to the master cylinder frees up the brakes.=C2=A0I have bypa=
ssed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and rebuilt the calipers=
.=C2=A0 This seems to leave the master cylinder.=C2=A0 I disconnected the b=
rake line from the master cylinder and put a short line on it that feeds ba=
ck into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed any air out of it.=
=C2=A0 That all seems to work okay.=C2=A0So, I'm looking for other ideas.=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Thanks,Joe Brown=C2=A0___________________________________=
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<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #000000;">
<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #000000;">If cracking a line anywhere up to the MC releases the brakes, sounds like the problem is in the MC.&nbsp; Kit to rebuild is cheap.&nbsp; Also, on a long shot be sure the brake pedal is returning to it's original spot.&nbsp; Sounds like something is binding either in the MC or the pedal.<br><br></span></div>
</div>
In a message dated 6/24/2021 4:39:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email-masked] writes:
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div id="yiv9648172495">
<div dir="ltr">Hey,
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I'm scratching my head over an issue I'm having with my brakes.&nbsp; This actually started last year and I'm just now trying to sort it out.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes lock up (only the fronts).&nbsp; If I crack open either bleed screw they free up.&nbsp; In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the master cylinder frees up the brakes.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and rebuilt the calipers.&nbsp; This seems to leave the master cylinder.&nbsp; I disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short line on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed any air out of it.&nbsp; That all seems to work okay.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>So, I'm looking for other ideas.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Joe Brown&nbsp;</div>
</div>
</div>
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From: Donald Antilla via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 17:57:26 -0400

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Joe: My observation and possible root cause is still valid, even considerin=
g you have the problem beforehand.

A flex line that is deteriorating from the inside produces the symptom you =
described.=20

When a line is obstructed, the high hydraulic pressure from the master cyli=
nder will force its way down into the calipers.

However, ...when you get off the brakes there is very little back pressure =
up into the master cylinder if the line is obstructed.

I suggest you look at your flexible brake lines.

Hope this is helpful.

Regards,

Don

=20

From: Joe Brown <[email-masked]>
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 4:48 PM
To: Don Antilla <[email-masked]>
Cc: Tigers Den <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Issue

=20

I should clarify.  I had the brake locking problem before I replaced or reb=
uilt everything.  And I still have the same problem.  Could it be something =
with the master cylinder?

=20

Thanks,

Joe

=20

=20

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:42 PM Donald Antilla <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:

I had this problem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible hydrau=
lic hoses that had deteriorated inside.=20
I changed them and the problem was resolved.=20

Or 203-264-8301 home

> On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Hey,
>=20
> I'm scratching my head over an issue I'm having with my brakes.  This act=
ually started last year and I'm just now trying to sort it out.
>=20
> Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes loc=
k up (only the fronts).  If I crack open either bleed screw they free up.  I=
n fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the master cylinder fr=
ees up the brakes.
>=20
> I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and rebuilt=
 the calipers.  This seems to leave the master cylinder.  I disconnected the=
 brake line from the master cylinder and put a short line on it that feeds b=
ack into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed any air out of it.  =
That all seems to work okay.
>=20
> So, I'm looking for other ideas. =20
>=20
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown=20
>=20
>=20
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e:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Joe: My observation and possible ro=
ot cause is still valid, even considering you have the problem beforehand.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Arial",sans-serif'>A flex line that is deteriorating from the inside p=
roduces the symptom you described. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>When a line is=
 obstructed, the high hydraulic pressure from the master cylinder will force=
 its way down into the calipers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>However, ...when =
you get off the brakes there is very little back pressure up into the master=
 cylinder if the line is obstructed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I suggest you=
 look at your flexible brake lines.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Hope this is h=
elpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:16.0p=
t;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Don<o:p=
></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-fami=
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<b><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style=3D'=
font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Joe Brown &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>=
Date: </b>Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 4:48 PM<br><b>To: </b>Don Antilla &lt;f=
[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>Tigers Den &lt;[email-masked]&=
gt;<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Brake Issue<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
should clarify.&nbsp; I had the brake locking problem before I replaced or r=
ebuilt everything.&nbsp; And I still have the same problem.&nbsp; Could it b=
e something with the master cylinder?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Joe<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:=
45 PM Joe Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">jbbrown1980@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;borde=
r-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margi=
n-right:0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have brand new rubber hoses that I go=
t from Sunbeam Specialties last week.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3=
:42 PM Donald Antilla &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote st=
yle=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;m=
argin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:1=
2.0pt'>I had this problem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible =
hydraulic hoses that had deteriorated inside. <br>I changed them and the pro=
blem was resolved. <br><br>From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427<br>Or 203-264-8301=
 home<br><br>&gt; On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; =EF=BB=BF<br>&gt; Hey,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I'm scratchin=
g my head over an issue I'm having with my brakes.&nbsp; This actually start=
ed last year and I'm just now trying to sort it out.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Basica=
lly, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes lock up (onl=
y the fronts).&nbsp; If I crack open either bleed screw they free up.&nbsp; =
In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the master cylinder f=
rees up the brakes.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I have bypassed the booster, replaced a=
ll of the rubber lines and rebuilt the calipers.&nbsp; This seems to leave t=
he master cylinder.&nbsp; I disconnected the brake line from the master cyli=
nder and put a short line on it that feeds back into the master cylinder res=
ervoir so I could bleed any air out of it.&nbsp; That all seems to work okay=
.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; So, I'm looking for other ideas.&nbsp; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; =
Thanks,<br>&gt; Joe Brown <br>&gt; _________________________________________=
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From: Donald Antilla via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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OK- just saw this note. If you have replaced your flex hoses, then it is pr=
obably back to looking at your master cylinder.

Please be aware that most master cylinders have an internal =E2=80=9Chold off=E2=80=9D =
check valve to provide a bit of residual pressure to keep the seals in drum =
brake slave cylinders from leaking. Be certain you do not have that type of =
master cylinder if you have disc brakes.

=20

=20

Date: Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 4:45 PM

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Or 203-264-8301 home

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e:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>OK- just saw this note. If you have=
 replaced your flex hoses, then it is probably back to looking at your maste=
r cylinder.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:1=
6.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Please be aware that most master cylin=
ders have an internal =E2=80=9Chold off=E2=80=9D check valve to provide a bit of residua=
l pressure to keep the seals in drum brake slave cylinders from leaking. Be =
certain you do not have that type of master cylinder if you have disc brakes=
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:black'>From: </span></b><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Joe Brow=
n &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 4=
:45 PM<br><b>To: </b>Don Antilla &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b=
>Tigers Den &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Br=
ake Issue<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have brand new rubber hoses that I got=
 from Sunbeam Specialties last week.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:=
42 PM Donald Antilla &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">fast427@sbcg=
lobal.net</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;=
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margin-right:0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I had this=
 problem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible hydraulic hoses t=
hat had deteriorated inside. <br>I changed them and the problem was resolved=
. <br><br>From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427<br>Or 203-264-8301 home<br><br>&gt;=
 On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tiger=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&g=
t; <br>&gt; =EF=BB=BF<br>&gt; Hey,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I'm scratching my head over an=
 issue I'm having with my brakes.&nbsp; This actually started last year and =
I'm just now trying to sort it out.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Basically, after pumpin=
g the brake pedal a few times the front brakes lock up (only the fronts).&nb=
sp; If I crack open either bleed screw they free up.&nbsp; In fact, cracking=
 open the line anywhere going back to the master cylinder frees up the brake=
s.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber =
lines and rebuilt the calipers.&nbsp; This seems to leave the master cylinde=
r.&nbsp; I disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a sh=
ort line on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could=
 bleed any air out of it.&nbsp; That all seems to work okay.<br>&gt; <br>&gt=
; So, I'm looking for other ideas.&nbsp; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Thanks,<br>&gt; J=
oe Brown <br>&gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt; <b=
r>&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
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From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 20:08:01 -0400

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Darn I forgot to make sure this went to the Tiger List too.

My bad

=20

Ron Fraser

=20

From: Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 8:06 PM
To: 'Donald Antilla' <[email-masked]>; 'Joe Brown' =
<[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Brake Issue

=20

Joe

                A long time ago I had a similar problem.    I finally =
found that the spring inside the MC was worn and lost some of its spring =
force thus the internal brake parts were not moving correctly.   I =
located a new spring and rebuilt the MC.  =20

=20

Right now, if you pull up on the brake pedal, will the brakes release?

=20

I think I also bought new springs for the pedals because I thought they =
were on the weak side.

=20

Do you remember when the last time the MC was rebuilt?   Seems like you =
might need to now and be sure to inspect all the MC internal parts.

=20

Ron Fraser

=20

=20

=20

From: Tigers <[email-masked] =
Tigers
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Issue

=20

OK- just saw this note. If you have replaced your flex hoses, then it is =
probably back to looking at your master cylinder.

Please be aware that most master cylinders have an internal =
=E2=80=9Chold off=E2=80=9D check valve to provide a bit of residual =
pressure to keep the seals in drum brake slave cylinders from leaking. =
Be certain you do not have that type of master cylinder if you have disc =
brakes.

=20

=20

=20

I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbeam Specialties last =
week.

=20

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:42 PM Donald Antilla <[email-masked] =

I had this problem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible =
hydraulic hoses that had deteriorated inside.=20
I changed them and the problem was resolved.=20

Or 203-264-8301 home

> On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers =
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Hey,
>=20
> I'm scratching my head over an issue I'm having with my brakes.  This =
>=20
> Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes =
lock up (only the fronts).  If I crack open either bleed screw they free =
up.  In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the master =
cylinder frees up the brakes.
>=20
> I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and =
rebuilt the calipers.  This seems to leave the master cylinder.  I =
disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short =
line on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could =
bleed any air out of it.  That all seems to work okay.
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers =
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class=3DMsoNormal>My bad<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Ron Fraser =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 24, 2021 =
8:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Donald Antilla' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
'Joe Brown' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: =
[Tigers] Brake Issue<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Joe<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A long time ago I had a similar =
problem.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I finally found that the spring inside the MC =
was worn and lost some of its spring force thus the internal brake parts =
were not moving correctly.&nbsp;&nbsp; I located a new spring and =
rebuilt the MC.&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Right now, =
if you pull up on the brake pedal, will the brakes =
release?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I think I also bought new springs for the pedals =
because I thought they were on the weak side.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Do you =
remember when the last time the MC was rebuilt?&nbsp;&nbsp; Seems like =
you might need to now and be sure to inspect all the MC internal =
parts.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Donald Antilla via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Thursday, June 24, 2021 6:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> Joe Brown &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Cc:</b> Tigers Den &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Brake Issue<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>OK- just saw =
this note. If you have replaced your flex hoses, then it is probably =
back to looking at your master cylinder.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Please be =
aware that most master cylinders have an internal =E2=80=9Chold =
off=E2=80=9D check valve to provide a bit of residual pressure to keep =
the seals in drum brake slave cylinders from leaking. Be certain you do =
not have that type of master cylinder if you have disc =
brakes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Joe Brown &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Date: </b>Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 4:45 PM<br><b>To: </b>Don Antilla =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Cc: </b>Tigers Den &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Brake =
Issue<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbeam Specialties last =
week.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:42 PM Donald Antilla &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I had this =
problem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible hydraulic =
hoses that had deteriorated inside. <br>I changed them and the problem =
was resolved. <br><br>From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427<br>Or 203-264-8301 =
home<br><br>&gt; On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; =
=EF=BB=BF<br>&gt; Hey,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I'm scratching my head over an =
issue I'm having with my brakes.&nbsp; This actually started last year =
and I'm just now trying to sort it out.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Basically, =
after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes lock up (only =
the fronts).&nbsp; If I crack open either bleed screw they free =
up.&nbsp; In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the =
master cylinder frees up the brakes.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I have bypassed =
the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and rebuilt the =
calipers.&nbsp; This seems to leave the master cylinder.&nbsp; I =
disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short =
line on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could =
bleed any air out of it.&nbsp; That all seems to work okay.<br>&gt; =
<br>&gt; So, I'm looking for other ideas.&nbsp; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; =
Thanks,<br>&gt; Joe Brown <br>&gt; =
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Well, I'm ashamed to admit that I cheaped out and bought my master cylinder
from a cheap source a couple of years ago and I'm just now trying to use
it. The brake pedal comes back up and everything feels good.  But somebody
mentioned it might have a check valve.

I'll rip it apart tomorrow and see if I can figure it out. I'll probably be
ordering a new one from Sunbeam Specialties to make sure I get a good one.

Thanks for all of the responses.

Joe

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 7:09 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> *From:* Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 24, 2021 8:06 PM
> *To:* 'Donald Antilla' <[email-masked]>; 'Joe Brown' <
> [email-masked]>
> *Subject:* RE: [Tigers] Brake Issue
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>                 A long time ago I had a similar problem.    I finally
> found that the spring inside the MC was worn and lost some of its spring
> force thus the internal brake parts were not moving correctly.   I locate=
d
> a new spring and rebuilt the MC.
>
>
>
> I think I also bought new springs for the pedals because I thought they
> were on the weak side.
>
>
>
> Do you remember when the last time the MC was rebuilt?   Seems like you
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Donald
> Antilla via Tigers
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 24, 2021 6:01 PM
> *To:* Joe Brown <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* Tigers Den <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Brake Issue
>
>
>
> OK- just saw this note. If you have replaced your flex hoses, then it is
> Please be aware that most master cylinders have an internal =E2=80=9Chold=
 off=E2=80=9D
> check valve to provide a bit of residual pressure to keep the seals in dr=
um
> brake slave cylinders from leaking. Be certain you do not have that type =
of
> *From: *Joe Brown <[email-masked]>
> *Date: *Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 4:45 PM
> *To: *Don Antilla <[email-masked]>
> *Cc: *Tigers Den <[email-masked]>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tigers] Brake Issue
>
>
>
t>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"auto">Well, I&#39;m ashamed to admit that I cheaped out and bou=
ght my master cylinder from a cheap source a couple of years ago and I&#39;=
m just now trying to use it. The brake pedal comes back up and everything f=
eels good.=C2=A0 But somebody mentioned it might have a check valve.<div di=
r=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I&#39;ll rip it apart tomorrow and s=
ee if I can figure it out. I&#39;ll probably be ordering a new one from Sun=
beam Specialties to make sure I get a good one.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks for all of the responses.</div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Joe</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 7:09 PM Ron=
 Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tigers@auto=
x.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lan=
g=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_-609199470396656=
625WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Darn I forgot to make sure this wen=
t to the Tiger List too.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">My bad<u><=
/u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padd=
ing:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Ron Fraser &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 24, 2021 8:06=
 PM<br><b>To:</b> &#39;Donald Antilla&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fast427@sb=
cglobal.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt;; &#39;Joe Brown&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subjec=
t:</b> RE: [Tigers] Brake Issue<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Joe<u></u><u></u></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 A long time ago I had a similar =
problem.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I finally found that the spring inside the MC wa=
s worn and lost some of its spring force thus the internal brake parts were=
 not moving correctly.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I located a new spring and rebuilt the M=
C.=C2=A0=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Right now, if you pull up on the brake pedal, w=
ill the brakes release?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think I also bought new springs for =
the pedals because I thought they were on the weak side.<u></u><u></u></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Do you=
 remember when the last time the MC was rebuilt?=C2=A0=C2=A0 Seems like you=
 might need to now and be sure to inspect all the MC internal parts.<u></u>=
<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e=
1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> =
Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of=
 </b>Donald Antilla via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 24, 2021 6:01=
 PM<br><b>To:</b> Joe Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:<=
/b> Tigers Den &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Tigers] Brake Issue<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u=
></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">OK- just saw this note. If you =
have replaced your flex hoses, then it is probably back to looking at your =
master cylinder.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:16.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Please be aw=
are that most master cylinders have an internal =E2=80=9Chold off=E2=80=9D =
check valve to provide a bit of residual pressure to keep the seals in drum=
 brake slave cylinders from leaking. Be certain you do not have that type o=
f master cylinder if you have disc brakes.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:16.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0=
pt;color:black">Joe Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Date: =
</b>Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 4:45 PM<br><b>To: </b>Don Antilla &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">fas=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>Tigers Den &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:T=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
m.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Brake Issue<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbe=
am Specialties last week.<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 =
at 3:42 PM Donald Antilla &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u=
><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #ccccc=
c 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin=
-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bott=
om:12.0pt">I had this problem on two different cars. The cause was old flex=
ible hydraulic hoses that had deteriorated inside. <br>I changed them and t=
he problem was resolved. <br><br>From Don&#39;s iPhone 203-592-8427<br>Or 2=
03-264-8301 home<br><br>&gt; On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tig=
ers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; =EF=BB=BF<=
br>&gt; Hey,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I&#39;m scratching my head over an issue I&#3=
9;m having with my brakes.=C2=A0 This actually started last year and I&#39;=
m just now trying to sort it out.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Basically, after pumping=
 the brake pedal a few times the front brakes lock up (only the fronts).=C2=
=A0 If I crack open either bleed screw they free up.=C2=A0 In fact, crackin=
g open the line anywhere going back to the master cylinder frees up the bra=
kes.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubb=
er lines and rebuilt the calipers.=C2=A0 This seems to leave the master cyl=
inder.=C2=A0 I disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put=
 a short line on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I=
 could bleed any air out of it.=C2=A0 That all seems to work okay.<br>&gt; =
<br>&gt; So, I&#39;m looking for other ideas.=C2=A0 <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Thank=
s,<br>&gt; Joe Brown <br>&gt; _____________________________________________=
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From: Joe Brown via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 16:58:23 -0500

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An update on my master cylinder issue.  I dug out the original master
cylinder that came with the car and I tore it apart and compared it to the
cheap replacement I bought a couple of years ago.  All of the internals
look to be the same except for the piston.  The original piston has a very
deep depression where the push rod fits and the cheap replacement has a
very shallow depression.  I did some more searching and found a discussion
on the SAOCA website (
http://forum.sunbeamalpine.org/index.php?threads/brake-master-cylinder-issu=
e.25568/
) that describes exactly what I am seeing.  I'm betting that the master
cylinder I bought is either for an older Alpine or some other British car.
I have a new one on order from Sunbeam Specialties.

Thanks,
Joe Brown

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:48 PM Joe Brown <[email-masked]> wrote:

>>> lock up (only the fronts).  If I crack open either bleed screw they fre=
e
>>> disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short li=
ne
>>> on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could ble=
ed
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]

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<div dir=3D"ltr">An update on my master cylinder issue.=C2=A0 I dug out the=
 original master cylinder that came with the car and I tore it apart and co=
mpared it to the cheap replacement I bought a couple of years ago.=C2=A0 Al=
l of the internals look to be the same except for the piston.=C2=A0 The ori=
ginal piston has a very deep depression where the push rod fits and the che=
ap replacement has a very shallow depression.=C2=A0 I did some more searchi=
ng and found a discussion on the SAOCA website ( <a href=3D"http://forum.su=
nbeamalpine.org/index.php?threads/brake-master-cylinder-issue.25568/">http:=
//forum.sunbeamalpine.org/index.php?threads/brake-master-cylinder-issue.255=
68/</a> ) that describes exactly what I am seeing.=C2=A0 I&#39;m betting th=
at the master cylinder I bought is either for an older Alpine or some other=
 British car.=C2=A0 I have a new one on order from Sunbeam Specialties.<div=
><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:=
48 PM Joe Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">jbbrown1980@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I should clarify.=C2=A0 I had the brake locking pro=
blem before I replaced or rebuilt everything.=C2=A0 And I still have the sa=
me problem.=C2=A0 Could it be something with the master cylinder?<div><br><=
/div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:45 PM Joe Br=
own &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">jbbrown1=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from=
 Sunbeam Specialties last week.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div di=
r=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:42 PM Donald Antil=
la &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">fast427@s=
bcglobal.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex">I had this problem on two different cars. The cause was old fle=
xible hydraulic hoses that had deteriorated inside. <br>
I changed them and the problem was resolved. <br>
<br>
Or 203-264-8301 home<br>
<br>

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From: coolvt--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 22:47:29 +0000 (UTC)

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Sounds like you've found your problem.=C2=A0 Good luck and enjoy once you'r=
e back on the road.

In a message dated 6/25/2021 5:59:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@autox=
.team.net writes:=C2=A0An update on my master cylinder issue.=C2=A0 I dug o=
ut the original master cylinder that came with the car and I tore it apart =
and compared it to the cheap replacement I bought a couple of years ago.=C2=
=A0 All of the internals look to be the same except for the piston.=C2=A0 T=
he original piston has a very deep depression where the push rod fits and t=
he cheap replacement has a very shallow depression.=C2=A0 I did some more s=
earching and found a discussion on the SAOCA website ( http://forum.sunbeam=
alpine.org/index.php?threads/brake-master-cylinder-issue.25568/ ) that desc=
ribes exactly what I am seeing.=C2=A0 I'm betting that the master cylinder =
I bought is either for an older Alpine or some other British car.=C2=A0 I h=
ave a new one on order from Sunbeam Specialties.=C2=A0Thanks,Joe Brown
On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:48 PM Joe Brown <[email-masked]> wrote:
I should clarify.=C2=A0 I had the brake locking problem before I replaced o=
r rebuilt everything.=C2=A0 And I still have the same problem.=C2=A0 Could =
it be something with the master cylinder?=C2=A0Thanks,Joe
On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:45 PM Joe Brown <[email-masked]> wrote:
I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbeam Specialties last week=
.
On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:42 PM Donald Antilla <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
I had this problem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible hydrau=
lic hoses that had deteriorated inside.=20
I changed them and the problem was resolved.=20

Or 203-264-8301 home

 wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Hey,
>=20
> I'm scratching my head over an issue I'm having with my brakes.=C2=A0 Thi=
s actually started last year and I'm just now trying to sort it out.
> Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes loc=
k up (only the fronts).=C2=A0 If I crack open either bleed screw they free =
up.=C2=A0 In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the master=
 cylinder frees up the brakes.
> I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and rebuilt=
 the calipers.=C2=A0 This seems to leave the master cylinder.=C2=A0 I disco=
nnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short line on it =
that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed any air=
 out of it.=C2=A0 That all seems to work okay.
>=20
> So, I'm looking for other ideas.=C2=A0=20
>=20
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown=20
ve
al.net

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<div>
<div class=3D"userEdit" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 14pt; color: #000000;">
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
4pt; color: #000000;">Sounds like you've found your problem.&nbsp; Good luc=
k and enjoy once you're back on the road.<br><br></span></div>
</div>
In a message dated 6/25/2021 5:59:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@autox=
.team.net writes:
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div id=3D"yiv8143913673">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">An update on my master cylinder issue.&nbsp; I dug out the=
 original master cylinder that came with the car and I tore it apart and co=
mpared it to the cheap replacement I bought a couple of years ago.&nbsp; Al=
l of the internals look to be the same except for the piston.&nbsp; The ori=
ginal piston has a very deep depression where the push rod fits and the che=
ap replacement has a very shallow depression.&nbsp; I did some more searchi=
ng and found a discussion on the SAOCA website ( <a href=3D"http://forum.su=
nbeamalpine.org/index.php?threads/brake-master-cylinder-issue.25568/" targe=
t=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">http://for=
um.sunbeamalpine.org/index.php?threads/brake-master-cylinder-issue.25568/</=
a> ) that describes exactly what I am seeing.&nbsp; I'm betting that the ma=
ster cylinder I bought is either for an older Alpine or some other British =
car.&nbsp; I have a new one on order from Sunbeam Specialties.
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Joe Brown</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div id=3D"yiv8143913673yqt38209" class=3D"yiv8143913673yqt7640438606">
<div class=3D"yiv8143913673gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"yiv8143913673gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at =
3:48 PM Joe Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">jbbrown1980@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv8143913673gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir=3D"ltr">I should clarify.&nbsp; I had the brake locking problem be=
fore I replaced or rebuilt everything.&nbsp; And I still have the same prob=
lem.&nbsp; Could it be something with the master cylinder?
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Joe</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yiv8143913673gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"yiv8143913673gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at =
3:45 PM Joe Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">jbbrown1980@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv8143913673gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir=3D"ltr">I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbeam Spec=
ialties last week.</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yiv8143913673gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"yiv8143913673gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at =
3:42 PM Donald Antilla &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">fast427@sbc=
global.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv8143913673gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">I had this prob=
lem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible hydraulic hoses that =
had deteriorated inside. <br clear=3D"none">I changed them and the problem =
was resolved. <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">From Don's iPhone 203-5=
92-8427<br clear=3D"none">Or 203-264-8301 home<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=
=3D"none">&gt; On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopen=
er noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=
=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Hey,<br clea=
r=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; I'm scratching my head over an issu=
e I'm having with my brakes.&nbsp; This actually started last year and I'm =
just now trying to sort it out.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&=
gt; Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes l=
ock up (only the fronts).&nbsp; If I crack open either bleed screw they fre=
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