Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild

From: Jay via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 17:03:44 -0700

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I can tell you about when I did it on my SV Alpine, which I believe is =
the same.  I used the foam from SS and the diaphragm.  Wow, what a =
difference the seat was once it was correct.  I had previously replaced =
the original diaphragm with straps and clips I got at the local =
upholstery store.  Worked ok, but the correct foam and diaphragm was a =
revelation.

I have to tell you, I don=E2=80=99t remember right now what I did to =
stretch the rubber to put the clips in.  I do remember that getting the =
correct size clips was important - as I didn=E2=80=99t have all the =
originals.  I remember talking to Rick about it (It was about 25 years =
ago now).  I think I made some sort of grabber with a pliers.

I also had to remake the cardboard that went along the back of the =
frame, inside the seat covers.  That took a long time to get right.  I =
had to experiment with different thicknesses of cardboard and some steam =
to get it right. =20

I spent a bunch of time cleaning off the metal and painting it.  Mine =
were not bad.  But on a non-Sunbeam that I redid the seats on, there was =
a bit of rust.  Almost made me wish I left them alone - but in the end, =
they are stronger now.

Also, when I cut the vinyl around the two bottom edges, I cut it wrong.  =
So it doesn=E2=80=99t cover exactly right down there.  Pissed me off.  =
It=E2=80=99s ok.  I don=E2=80=99t think anyone would ever notice.  But =
I=E2=80=99m usually pretty good at seeing how things are supposed to be =
cut.  So I guess I=E2=80=99m only suggesting you take time there to make =
sure it=E2=80=99s right before you cut.  Perhaps I just totally blew it =
and it would be obvious if I did it again.

I was careful to epoxy the center section of the seat bottom into the =
square hold in the foam before doing anything.  That=E2=80=99s still =
holding 25 years later and I=E2=80=99m glad I did it.  I see folks where =
their seat bottom vinyl just floats.  That=E2=80=99s not a good look, to =
me.

Oh, and I=E2=80=99ve also seen on some cars people say they cover the =
seat backs with a large plastic bag before pulling on the upholstery.  I =
never did that because I didn=E2=80=99t want it to make crinkly noises =
every time I moved.  It was hard to slide it down.  It took a lot of =
squeezing and pressing a little at a time.  I don=E2=80=99t know if it =
would have been smarter to do the bag trick.

That=E2=80=99s all I remember.  Hope this helps.

Jay

On Apr 1, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Stu via Tigers <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

I've seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the =
seats, but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps.  My =
seats from my Mk 1A  have the rubber diaphragm.  Is there any info on =
line about restoring Mk 1A seats?  I want to be sure I know what I'm =
getting into before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping =
mine apart.

Stu
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
can tell you about when I did it on my SV Alpine, which I believe is the =
same. &nbsp;I used the foam from SS and the diaphragm. &nbsp;Wow, what a =
difference the seat was once it was correct. &nbsp;I had previously =
replaced the original diaphragm with straps and clips I got at the local =
upholstery store. &nbsp;Worked ok, but the correct foam and diaphragm =
was a revelation.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I =
have to tell you, I don=E2=80=99t remember right now what I did to =
stretch the rubber to put the clips in. &nbsp;I do remember that getting =
the correct size clips was important - as I didn=E2=80=99t have all the =
originals. &nbsp;I remember talking to Rick about it (It was about 25 =
years ago now). &nbsp;I think I made some sort of grabber with a =
pliers.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I also =
had to remake the cardboard that went along the back of the frame, =
inside the seat covers. &nbsp;That took a long time to get right. =
&nbsp;I had to experiment with different thicknesses of cardboard and =
some steam to get it right. &nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I spent a bunch of time cleaning off =
the metal and painting it. &nbsp;Mine were not bad. &nbsp;But on a =
non-Sunbeam that I redid the seats on, there was a bit of rust. =
&nbsp;Almost made me wish I left them alone - but in the end, they are =
stronger now.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Also, when I cut the vinyl around the two bottom edges, I cut =
it wrong. &nbsp;So it doesn=E2=80=99t cover exactly right down there. =
&nbsp;Pissed me off. &nbsp;It=E2=80=99s ok. &nbsp;I don=E2=80=99t think =
anyone would ever notice. &nbsp;But I=E2=80=99m usually pretty good at =
seeing how things are supposed to be cut. &nbsp;So I guess I=E2=80=99m =
only suggesting you take time there to make sure it=E2=80=99s right =
before you cut. &nbsp;Perhaps I just totally blew it and it would be =
obvious if I did it again.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I was careful to epoxy the center section of the seat bottom =
into the square hold in the foam before doing anything. &nbsp;That=E2=80=99=
s still holding 25 years later and I=E2=80=99m glad I did it. &nbsp;I =
see folks where their seat bottom vinyl just floats. &nbsp;That=E2=80=99s =
not a good look, to me.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Oh, and I=E2=80=99ve also seen on some cars people say they =
cover the seat backs with a large plastic bag before pulling on the =
upholstery. &nbsp;I never did that because I didn=E2=80=99t want it to =
make crinkly noises every time I moved. &nbsp;It was hard to slide it =
down. &nbsp;It took a lot of squeezing and pressing a little at a time. =
&nbsp;I don=E2=80=99t know if it would have been smarter to do the bag =
trick.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">That=E2=80=
=99s all I remember. &nbsp;Hope this helps.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Jay</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr 1, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Stu via Tigers =
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class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I've =
seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the seats, =
but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps.&nbsp; My seats =
from my Mk 1A&nbsp; have the rubber diaphragm.&nbsp; Is there any info =
on line about restoring Mk 1A seats?&nbsp; I want to be sure I know what =
I'm getting into before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or =
ripping mine apart.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small"><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Stu</div></div>
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This article helped me a lot when I did mine. There are others as well.

https://teae.org/how-to-restore-your-seats/ =
<https://teae.org/how-to-restore-your-seats/>

Hope this helps,

Jim

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There are others as well.</font><div class=3D""><font size=3D"4" =
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class=3D"">Jim</font></div><div><font size=3D"4" class=3D""><br =
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Apr 1, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Stu via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I've =
seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the seats, =
but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps.&nbsp; My seats =
from my Mk 1A&nbsp; have the rubber diaphragm.&nbsp; Is there any info =
on line about restoring Mk 1A seats?&nbsp; I want to be sure I know what =
I'm getting into before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or =
ripping mine apart.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small"><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Stu</div></div>
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From: coolvt--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 00:30:03 +0000 (UTC)

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Mine had the diaphragm.=C2=A0 I replaced with the diaphragm plus added stra=
ps from a local upholstery shop. Figured it might last longer before saggin=
g. Also put an extra foam piece across the bar at the front of the seat....=
..for 2 reasons....wanted extra thigh support and to delay the metal bar ev=
entually eating through the foam.=C2=A0 Worked for me.=C2=A0 Mark L=C2=A0In=
 a message dated 4/1/2021 7:53:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email-masked]=
am.net writes:=C2=A0
I've seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the seats=
, but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps.=C2=A0 My seats f=
rom my Mk 1A=C2=A0 have the rubber diaphragm.=C2=A0 Is there any info on li=
ne about restoring Mk 1A seats?=C2=A0 I want to be sure I know what I'm get=
ting into before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping mine apa=
rt.=C2=A0Stu_______________________________________________

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<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;">Mine had the diaphragm.&nbsp; I replaced with the diaphragm plus added straps from a local upholstery shop. Figured it might last longer before sagging. Also put an extra foam piece across the bar at the front of the seat......for 2 reasons....wanted extra thigh support and to delay the metal bar eventually eating through the foam.&nbsp; Worked for me.&nbsp; Mark L</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3989444477gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">I've seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the seats, but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps.&nbsp; My seats from my Mk 1A&nbsp; have the rubber diaphragm.&nbsp; Is there any info on line about restoring Mk 1A seats?&nbsp; I want to be sure I know what I'm getting into before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping mine apart.</div>
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From: Jim B via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 21:39:05 -0700

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I started from scratch since my MKIA was Missing the original seats. =
Months of Ebay and club member contacts later I made up two matching =
seats that were in good shape. What I thought I was going to need was =
the rubber diaphragm kit. The best of the best frames that I ended up =
using were earlier with the straps. (Still have the diaphragms) Mine =
being an early IA I think they are actually correct. There are other =
differences in the frames from early to late as I understand it and can =
be seen in base construction. The attachments for the straps vs =
diaphragm are different. That=E2=80=99s what my old brain remembers from =
a few years ago anyway. Other than that, I think the kits from Rick are =
pretty much interchangeable and a fairly easy redo.

Jim

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 size=3D"4" class=3D"">I started from scratch&nbsp;since my MKIA =
was&nbsp;Missing the original seats. Months of Ebay and club member =
contacts later I made up two matching seats that were in good shape. =
What I thought I was going to need was the rubber diaphragm kit. The =
best of the best frames that I ended up using were earlier with the =
straps. (Still have the&nbsp;diaphragms) Mine being an early IA I think =
they are actually&nbsp;correct. There are other differences in the =
frames from&nbsp;early to late as I understand it and can be seen in =
base construction. The attachments for the straps vs diaphragm are =
different. That=E2=80=99s what my old brain remembers from a few years =
ago anyway. Other than that, I think the kits from Rick are pretty much =
interchangeable and a fairly easy redo.</font><div class=3D""><font =
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size=3D"4" class=3D"">Jim<br class=3D""></font><div><br =
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1, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Stu via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I've =
seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the seats, =
but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps.&nbsp; My seats =
from my Mk 1A&nbsp; have the rubber diaphragm.&nbsp; Is there any info =
on line about restoring Mk 1A seats?&nbsp; I want to be sure I know what =
I'm getting into before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or =
ripping mine apart.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small"><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Stu</div></div>
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From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 10:57:44 -0400

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                1st you need to determine which style seat you have and =
compare to the illustrations in the SS catalog .   Joe =
Parlanti=E2=80=99s article is excellent for that style seat cover and =
similar covers but there is also a seat cover with a separate center =
section.   Once you know which style, you can make an order.

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No matter which style seat you have =E2=80=93 always take pictures and =
take really good notes as you disassemble the seats.

Disassembly is the easy part =E2=80=93 its understanding the assembly =
process that takes time and thought to organize.

Some parts may be SIDED so carefully note and mark them.

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Check the condition of all the hardware and fasteners =E2=80=93 SS has =
most of them available.

I had to also buy a couple of taps and dies, 1/4=E2=80=9D x 26 BSF and =
5/16=E2=80=9D x 22 BSF, to clear up some threads.

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I had bad luck a long time ago with the rubber diaphragms; they ripped =
and fell apart too quickly.   I=E2=80=99m not sure where I got those =
diaphragms but the ones I got from SS are doing nicely.

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I believe the way to install the rubber diaphragms is to attach diagonal =
corners 1st then attach the rest of the clips.   The corners should be =
fairly easy but the rest of them may become more difficult and require =
more effort as you proceed.   It has been way too long since I did any =
of this work so work carefully.

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Hope this helps

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Ron Fraser

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link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Stu <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1<sup>st</sup> you need to determine =
which style seat you have and compare to the illustrations in the SS =
catalog .=C2=A0=C2=A0 Joe Parlanti=E2=80=99s article is excellent for =
that style seat cover and similar covers but there is also a seat cover =
with a separate center section.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Once you know which style, =
you can make an order.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>No matter =
which style seat you have =E2=80=93 always take pictures and take really =
good notes as you disassemble the seats.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Disassembly is the easy part =E2=80=93 its =
understanding the assembly process that takes time and thought to =
organize.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Some parts may be SIDED so =
carefully note and mark them.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Check the =
condition of all the hardware and fasteners =E2=80=93 SS has most of =
them available.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I had to also buy a =
couple of taps and dies, 1/4=E2=80=9D x 26 BSF and 5/16=E2=80=9D x 22 =
BSF, to clear up some threads.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I had bad =
luck a long time ago with the rubber diaphragms; they ripped and fell =
apart too quickly.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m not sure where I got those =
diaphragms but the ones I got from SS are doing nicely.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I believe =
the way to install the rubber diaphragms is to attach diagonal corners =
1<sup>st</sup> then attach the rest of the clips.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The =
corners should be fairly easy but the rest of them may become more =
difficult and require more effort as you proceed.=C2=A0=C2=A0 It has =
been way too long since I did any of this work so work =
carefully.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hope this helps<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stu via =
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 01, 2021 7:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Tiger Net &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Mk =
1A Seat Rebuild<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I've seen the =
Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the seats, but his =
seats were earlier than mine and had the straps.&nbsp; My seats from my =
Mk 1A&nbsp; have the rubber diaphragm.&nbsp; Is there any info on line =
about restoring Mk 1A seats?&nbsp; I want to be sure I know what I'm =
getting into before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping =
mine apart.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Stu<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></b=
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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 08:35:05 -0700

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Ron makes a good point about buying from SS.  When I first got my Alpine =
in 1978, I was in high school and on a tighter budget.  So cost =
mattered.  SS was usually more expensive, and I would get parts from =
other vendors - ignoring the little story in the back of the SS catalog =
showing why their stuff was different.  SS really went the extra step to =
get things done right, and so much of what the other places had was =
garbage.  I ended up basically throwing out carpet, full rubber kit, and =
tonneau from other suppliers.  VB even had the wrong servos for the car. =
 I won=E2=80=99t buy from anyone else but SS now.  Of course Rick is now =
a good friend.

There was also Curt or Kurt of Classic Sunbeams (I think that was the =
name), on the east coast.  I believe he and Rick worked together in =
designing and getting many of the parts made.  So I would have equally =
gone to Curt if not for my later friendship with Rick.  I don=E2=80=99t =
know if Curt is still out there.

And now VB no longer exists either.  Just as well.  I don=E2=80=99t know =
where their inventory went.  But I=E2=80=99d still be careful of buying =
any of it.

Best,
Jay

On Apr 2, 2021, at 7:57 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers =
<[email-masked]> wrote:

Stu=20
compare to the illustrations in the SS catalog .   Joe Parlanti=E2=80=99s =
article is excellent for that style seat cover and similar covers but =
there is also a seat cover with a separate center section.   Once you =
know which style, you can make an order.

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Ron =
makes a good point about buying from SS. &nbsp;When I first got my =
Alpine in 1978, I was in high school and on a tighter budget. &nbsp;So =
cost mattered. &nbsp;SS was usually more expensive, and I would get =
parts from other vendors - ignoring the little story in the back of the =
SS catalog showing why their stuff was different. &nbsp;SS really went =
the extra step to get things done right, and so much of what the other =
places had was garbage. &nbsp;I ended up basically throwing out carpet, =
full rubber kit, and tonneau from other suppliers. &nbsp;VB even had the =
wrong servos for the car. &nbsp;I won=E2=80=99t buy from anyone else but =
SS now. &nbsp;Of course Rick is now a good friend.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">There was also Curt or Kurt of Classic =
Sunbeams (I think that was the name), on the east coast. &nbsp;I believe =
he and Rick worked together in designing and getting many of the parts =
made. &nbsp;So I would have equally gone to Curt if not for my later =
friendship with Rick. &nbsp;I don=E2=80=99t know if Curt is still out =
there.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">And now =
VB no longer exists either. &nbsp;Just as well. &nbsp;I don=E2=80=99t =
know where their inventory went. &nbsp;But I=E2=80=99d still be careful =
of buying any of it.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Best,</div><div class=3D"">Jay<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr 2, 2021, at 7:57 AM, Ron Fraser via =
Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Stu<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1<sup class=3D"">st</sup><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>you need to determine which =
style seat you have and compare to the illustrations in the SS catalog =
.&nbsp;&nbsp; Joe Parlanti=E2=80=99s article is excellent for that style =
seat cover and similar covers but there is also a seat cover with a =
separate center section.&nbsp;&nbsp; Once you know which style, you can =
make an order.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">No matter which style seat you have =E2=80=93 always take =
pictures and take really good notes as you disassemble the seats.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Disassembly=
 is the easy part =E2=80=93 its understanding the assembly process that =
takes time and thought to organize.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Some parts may be SIDED so carefully =
note and mark them.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Check the condition of all the hardware and fasteners =E2=80=93=
 SS has most of them available.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I had to also buy a couple of taps and =
dies, 1/4=E2=80=9D x 26 BSF and 5/16=E2=80=9D x 22 BSF, to clear up some =
threads.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I had bad luck a long time ago with the rubber diaphragms; =
they ripped and fell apart too quickly.&nbsp;&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m not sure =
where I got those diaphragms but the ones I got from SS are doing =
nicely.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I believe the way to install the rubber diaphragms is to =
attach diagonal corners 1<sup class=3D"">st</sup><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>then attach the rest of the =
clips.&nbsp;&nbsp; The corners should be fairly easy but the rest of =
them may become more difficult and require more effort as you =
proceed.&nbsp;&nbsp; It has been way too long since I did any of this =
work so work carefully.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Hope this helps<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Ron Fraser<o:p =
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Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Stu via =
Tigers<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Thursday, April 01, 2021 =
7:52 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Tiger Net &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[Tigers] Mk 1A Seat =
Rebuild<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt;" class=3D"">I've seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about =
rebuilding the seats, but his seats were earlier than mine and had the =
straps.&nbsp; My seats from my Mk 1A&nbsp; have the rubber =
diaphragm.&nbsp; Is there any info on line about restoring Mk 1A =
seats?&nbsp; I want to be sure I know what I'm getting into before =
pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping mine apart.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
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When I rebuilt my seats I think I was trying to use the original hooks on
the new diaphragms and I couldn't stretch the rubber enough to get all of
the hooks in.  Then I tried some new hooks and they worked fine.  The newer
hooks were longer than the old ones, so I guess the newer diaphragm is a
little smaller than the original.  Or maybe I have all of that backwards.

Regards,
Joe

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 9:58 AM Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]=
wrote:

> Stu
>
>                 1st you need to determine which style seat you have and
> compare to the illustrations in the SS catalog .   Joe Parlanti=E2=80=99s=
 article
> is excellent for that style seat cover and similar covers but there is al=
so
> a seat cover with a separate center section.   Once you know which style,
> you can make an order.
>
>
>
> No matter which style seat you have =E2=80=93 always take pictures and ta=
ke really
> good notes as you disassemble the seats.
>
> Disassembly is the easy part =E2=80=93 its understanding the assembly pro=
cess that
> takes time and thought to organize.
>
> Check the condition of all the hardware and fasteners =E2=80=93 SS has mo=
st of
> them available.
>
> I had to also buy a couple of taps and dies, 1/4=E2=80=9D x 26 BSF and 5/=
16=E2=80=9D x 22
> BSF, to clear up some threads.
>
>
>
> I had bad luck a long time ago with the rubber diaphragms; they ripped an=
d
> fell apart too quickly.   I=E2=80=99m not sure where I got those diaphrag=
ms but the
> ones I got from SS are doing nicely.
>
>
>
> I believe the way to install the rubber diaphragms is to attach diagonal
> corners 1st then attach the rest of the clips.   The corners should be
> fairly easy but the rest of them may become more difficult and require mo=
re
> effort as you proceed.   It has been way too long since I did any of this
> work so work carefully.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Stu via
> Tigers
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 01, 2021 7:52 PM
> *To:* Tiger Net <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild
>
>
>
> I've seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the
> seats, but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps.  My seats
> from my Mk 1A  have the rubber diaphragm.  Is there any info on line abou=
t
> restoring Mk 1A seats?  I want to be sure I know what I'm getting into
> before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping mine apart.
>
>
>
> Stu
> Unsubscribe:
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<div dir=3D"ltr">When I rebuilt my seats I think I was trying to use the or=
iginal hooks on the new diaphragms and I couldn&#39;t stretch=C2=A0the rubb=
er enough to get all of the hooks in.=C2=A0 Then I tried some new hooks and=
 they worked fine.=C2=A0 The newer hooks were longer than the old ones, so =
I guess the newer diaphragm is a little smaller than the original.=C2=A0 Or=
 maybe I have all of that backwards.<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>=
Joe</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gma=
il_attr">On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 9:58 AM Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US">=
<div class=3D"gmail-m_7058639014998983213WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">Stu <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1<sup>st</s=
up> you need to determine which style seat you have and compare to the illu=
strations in the SS catalog .=C2=A0=C2=A0 Joe Parlanti=E2=80=99s article is=
 excellent for that style seat cover and similar covers but there is also a=
 seat cover with a separate center section.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Once you know which=
 style, you can make an order.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">No matter which style seat you h=
ave =E2=80=93 always take pictures and take really good notes as you disass=
emble the seats.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Disassembly is the=
 easy part =E2=80=93 its understanding the assembly process that takes time=
 and thought to organize.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Some part=
s may be SIDED so carefully note and mark them.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Check the con=
dition of all the hardware and fasteners =E2=80=93 SS has most of them avai=
lable.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I had to also buy a couple o=
f taps and dies, 1/4=E2=80=9D x 26 BSF and 5/16=E2=80=9D x 22 BSF, to clear=
 up some threads.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I had bad luck a long time ago with the rubbe=
r diaphragms; they ripped and fell apart too quickly.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I=E2=80=
=99m not sure where I got those diaphragms but the ones I got from SS are d=
oing nicely.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I believe the way to install the rubber diaphragms=
 is to attach diagonal corners 1<sup>st</sup> then attach the rest of the c=
lips.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The corners should be fairly easy but the rest of them ma=
y become more difficult and require more effort as you proceed.=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 It has been way too long since I did any of this work so work carefully.<u=
></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">Hope this helps<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>=
 Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stu via Tiger=
s<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 01, 2021 7:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> Tiger Net =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Tigers@autox=
.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild<u></u><u><=
/u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">I&#39;ve seen the Parlanti artic=
le on Tigers United, about rebuilding the seats, but his seats were earlier=
 than mine and had the straps.=C2=A0 My seats from my Mk 1A=C2=A0 have the =
rubber diaphragm.=C2=A0 Is there any info on line about restoring Mk 1A sea=
ts?=C2=A0 I want to be sure I know what I&#39;m getting into before pulling=
 the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping mine apart.<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:12pt">Stu<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div>________=
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Do them one at a time, no parts mix up that way. The diaphragms are not
difficult to install, use visegrips to pull the hooks into place. The
hardest part can sometimes be getting the screws to come out of the bases,
once you get them, the rest is pretty much self explanatory. Use plenty of
contact cement in the recess and i put a 9 inch wide car battery on it over
night while the glue dries. put a piece of cardboard under said battery so
the pattern on the battery doesn't transfer to the seat.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 11:37 AM Jay via Tigers <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Ron makes a good point about buying from SS.  When I first got my Alpine
> in 1978, I was in high school and on a tighter budget.  So cost mattered.
> SS was usually more expensive, and I would get parts from other vendors -
> ignoring the little story in the back of the SS catalog showing why their
> stuff was different.  SS really went the extra step to get things done
> right, and so much of what the other places had was garbage.  I ended up
> basically throwing out carpet, full rubber kit, and tonneau from other
> suppliers.  VB even had the wrong servos for the car.  I won=E2=80=99t bu=
y from
> anyone else but SS now.  Of course Rick is now a good friend.
>
> There was also Curt or Kurt of Classic Sunbeams (I think that was the
> name), on the east coast.  I believe he and Rick worked together in
> designing and getting many of the parts made.  So I would have equally go=
ne
> to Curt if not for my later friendship with Rick.  I don=E2=80=99t know i=
f Curt is
> still out there.
where
> their inventory went.  But I=E2=80=99d still be careful of buying any of =
it.
>
> Best,
> Jay
>
> On Apr 2, 2021, at 7:57 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> Stu
 article
so
ke really
cess that
st of
16=E2=80=9D x 22
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ms but the
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Do them one at a time, no parts mix up that way. The diaph=
ragms are not difficult to install, use visegrips=C2=A0to pull the hooks in=
to place. The hardest part can sometimes be getting the screws to come out =
of the bases, once you get them, the rest is pretty much self explanatory. =
Use plenty of contact cement in the recess and i put a 9 inch wide car batt=
ery on it over night=C2=A0while the glue dries. put a piece of cardboard un=
der said battery so the pattern on the battery doesn&#39;t transfer to the =
seat.=C2=A0</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_attr">On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 11:37 AM Jay via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-s=
pace">Ron makes a good point about buying from SS.=C2=A0 When I first got m=
y Alpine in 1978, I was in high school and on a tighter budget.=C2=A0 So co=
st mattered.=C2=A0 SS was usually more expensive, and I would get parts fro=
m other vendors - ignoring the little story in the back of the SS catalog s=
howing why their stuff was different.=C2=A0 SS really went the extra step t=
o get things done right, and so much of what the other places had was garba=
ge.=C2=A0 I ended up basically throwing out carpet, full rubber kit, and to=
nneau from other suppliers.=C2=A0 VB even had the wrong servos for the car.=
=C2=A0 I won=E2=80=99t buy from anyone else but SS now.=C2=A0 Of course Ric=
k is now a good friend.<div><br></div><div>There was also Curt or Kurt of C=
lassic Sunbeams (I think that was the name), on the east coast.=C2=A0 I bel=
ieve he and Rick worked together in designing and getting many of the parts=
 made.=C2=A0 So I would have equally gone to Curt if not for my later frien=
dship with Rick.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t know if Curt is still out there.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>And now VB no longer exists either.=C2=A0 Just as wel=
l.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t know where their inventory went.=C2=A0 But I=E2=80=
=99d still be careful of buying any of it.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</=
div><div>Jay<br><div><br><div>On Apr 2, 2021, at 7:57 AM, Ron Fraser via Ti=
gers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tigers@=
autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div style=3D"font-family:Helve=
tica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:=
normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transfor=
m:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div style=
=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=
Stu<span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.00=
01pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1<sup=
>st</sup><span>=C2=A0</span>you need to determine which style seat you have=
 and compare to the illustrations in the SS catalog .=C2=A0=C2=A0 Joe Parla=
nti=E2=80=99s article is excellent for that style seat cover and similar co=
vers but there is also a seat cover with a separate center section.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Once you know which style, you can make an order.<u></u><u></u></div=
><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,s=
ans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;=
font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">No matter which style seat y=
ou have =E2=80=93 always take pictures and take really good notes as you di=
sassemble the seats.<u></u><u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001=
pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Disassembly is the easy p=
art =E2=80=93 its understanding the assembly process that takes time and th=
ought to organize.<u></u><u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt=
;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Some parts may be SIDED so =
carefully note and mark them.<u></u><u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0=
in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:=
Calibri,sans-serif">Check the condition of all the hardware and fasteners =
=E2=80=93 SS has most of them available.<u></u><u></u></div><div style=3D"m=
argin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I had=
 to also buy a couple of taps and dies, 1/4=E2=80=9D x 26 BSF and 5/16=E2=
=80=9D x 22 BSF, to clear up some threads.<u></u><u></u></div><div style=3D=
"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt=
;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I had bad luck a long time ago with the ru=
bber diaphragms; they ripped and fell apart too quickly.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I=E2=
=80=99m not sure where I got those diaphragms but the ones I got from SS ar=
e doing nicely.<u></u><u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;fo=
nt-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div=
 style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-s=
erif">I believe the way to install the rubber diaphragms is to attach diago=
nal corners 1<sup>st</sup><span>=C2=A0</span>then attach the rest of the cl=
ips.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The corners should be fairly easy but the rest of them may=
 become more difficult and require more effort as you proceed.=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
It has been way too long since I did any of this work so work carefully.<u>=
</u><u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-=
family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0=
in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Hope this he=
lps<u></u><u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt=
;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"ma=
rgin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Ron Fr=
aser<u></u><u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11p=
t;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"m=
argin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>Fr=
om:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox=
.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<span>=C2=
=A0</span><b>On Behalf Of<span>=C2=A0</span></b>Stu via Tigers<br><b>Sent:<=
/b><span>=C2=A0</span>Thursday, April 01, 2021 7:52 PM<br><b>To:</b><span>=
=C2=A0</span>Tiger Net &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b><span>=C2=A0</s=
pan>[Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild<u></u><u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in=
 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;=
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">I&#39;ve see=
n the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the seats, but hi=
s seats were earlier than mine and had the straps.=C2=A0 My seats from my M=
k 1A=C2=A0 have the rubber diaphragm.=C2=A0 Is there any info on line about=
 restoring Mk 1A seats?=C2=A0 I want to be sure I know what I&#39;m getting=
 into before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping mine apart.<=
u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;=
font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
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Jay

                As I understand it Moss bought VB.    That might be a =
good thing if Moss maintains a Sunbeam inventory and they upgrade =
quality and description of those parts.

I don=E2=80=99t know if Moss just bought the inventory of VB or the =
building too.   Since VB was part of LMC Trucks complex anything is =
possible.

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Ron Fraser

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From: Jay <[email-masked]>=20
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To: Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>
Cc: Stu <[email-masked]>; Tigers <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild - Why always SS

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Best,

Jay

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On Apr 2, 2021, at 7:57 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked] =

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Hope this helps

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Ron Fraser

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From: Tigers <[email-masked] =
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Subject: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jay<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
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VB.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 That might be a good thing if Moss maintains a =
Sunbeam inventory and they upgrade quality and description of those =
parts.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I don=E2=80=99t know if Moss =
just bought the inventory of VB or the building too.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Since =
VB was part of LMC Trucks complex anything is possible.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Jay =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 02, 2021 =
11:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> Ron Fraser =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Stu =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat =
Rebuild - Why always SS<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron makes a =
good point about buying from SS. &nbsp;When I first got my Alpine in =
1978, I was in high school and on a tighter budget. &nbsp;So cost =
mattered. &nbsp;SS was usually more expensive, and I would get parts =
from other vendors - ignoring the little story in the back of the SS =
catalog showing why their stuff was different. &nbsp;SS really went the =
extra step to get things done right, and so much of what the other =
places had was garbage. &nbsp;I ended up basically throwing out carpet, =
full rubber kit, and tonneau from other suppliers. &nbsp;VB even had the =
wrong servos for the car. &nbsp;I won=E2=80=99t buy from anyone else but =
SS now. &nbsp;Of course Rick is now a good friend.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>There was also Curt or Kurt of Classic Sunbeams (I =
think that was the name), on the east coast. &nbsp;I believe he and Rick =
worked together in designing and getting many of the parts made. =
&nbsp;So I would have equally gone to Curt if not for my later =
friendship with Rick. &nbsp;I don=E2=80=99t know if Curt is still out =
there.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>And now VB no longer exists either. &nbsp;Just as =
well. &nbsp;I don=E2=80=99t know where their inventory went. &nbsp;But =
I=E2=80=99d still be careful of buying any of =
it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jay<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Apr =
2, 2021, at 7:57 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Stu<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1<sup>st</sup><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>you need to determine which =
style seat you have and compare to the illustrations in the SS catalog =
.&nbsp;&nbsp; Joe Parlanti=E2=80=99s article is excellent for that style =
seat cover and similar covers but there is also a seat cover with a =
separate center section.&nbsp;&nbsp; Once you know which style, you can =
make an order.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>No matter which style seat you have =E2=80=93 always =
take pictures and take really good notes as you disassemble the =
seats.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Disassembly is the =
easy part =E2=80=93 its understanding the assembly process that takes =
time and thought to organize.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Some parts may be SIDED so carefully note and mark =
them.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Check the condition of all the hardware and fasteners =
=E2=80=93 SS has most of them available.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I had to also buy a couple of taps and dies, =
1/4=E2=80=9D x 26 BSF and 5/16=E2=80=9D x 22 BSF, to clear up some =
threads.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
had bad luck a long time ago with the rubber diaphragms; they ripped and =
fell apart too quickly.&nbsp;&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m not sure where I got =
those diaphragms but the ones I got from SS are doing =
nicely.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
believe the way to install the rubber diaphragms is to attach diagonal =
corners 1<sup>st</sup><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>then attach the rest of the =
clips.&nbsp;&nbsp; The corners should be fairly easy but the rest of =
them may become more difficult and require more effort as you =
proceed.&nbsp;&nbsp; It has been way too long since I did any of this =
work so work carefully.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hope this helps<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a>&gt;<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><b>On Behalf =
Of<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></b>Stu via =
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Thursday, April 01, 2021 7:52 =
PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Tiger =
Net &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Subject:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>[Tigers] =
Mk 1A Seat Rebuild<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I've seen the =
Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the seats, but his =
seats were earlier than mine and had the straps.&nbsp; My seats from my =
Mk 1A&nbsp; have the rubber diaphragm.&nbsp; Is there any info on line =
about restoring Mk 1A seats?&nbsp; I want to be sure I know what I'm =
getting into before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping =
mine apart.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Stu</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p =
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It looks like they are not carrying Sunbeam stuff any  more, nothing for us
in their catalog now.

Stu

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 6:29 PM Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Jay
>
>                 As I understand it Moss bought VB.    That might be a goo=
d
> thing if Moss maintains a Sunbeam inventory and they upgrade quality and
> description of those parts.
>
> I don=E2=80=99t know if Moss just bought the inventory of VB or the build=
ing
> too.   Since VB was part of LMC Trucks complex anything is possible.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Jay <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 02, 2021 11:35 AM
> *To:* Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* Stu <[email-masked]>; Tigers <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild - Why always SS
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">It =
looks like they are not carrying=C2=A0Sunbeam stuff any=C2=A0 more, nothing=
 for us in their catalog now.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:sm=
all">Stu</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 6:29 PM Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail-m_1300674458242781607WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jay<u=
></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 As I understand it M=
oss bought VB.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 That might be a good thing if Moss maintai=
ns a Sunbeam inventory and they upgrade quality and description of those pa=
rts.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don=E2=80=99t know if Moss j=
ust bought the inventory of VB or the building too.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Since VB wa=
s part of LMC Trucks complex anything is possible.<u></u><u></u></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u=
></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div st=
yle=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt=
 solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From=
:</b> Jay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">ja=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 02, 2021 11:35 A=
M<br><b>To:</b> Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Stu &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;=
 Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tige=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuil=
d - Why always SS<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></=
u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron makes a good point about buyi=
ng from SS.=C2=A0 When I first got my Alpine in 1978, I was in high school =
and on a tighter budget.=C2=A0 So cost mattered.=C2=A0 SS was usually more =
expensive, and I would get parts from other vendors - ignoring the little s=
tory in the back of the SS catalog showing why their stuff was different.=
=C2=A0 SS really went the extra step to get things done right, and so much =
of what the other places had was garbage.=C2=A0 I ended up basically throwi=
ng out carpet, full rubber kit, and tonneau from other suppliers.=C2=A0 VB =
even had the wrong servos for the car.=C2=A0 I won=E2=80=99t buy from anyon=
e else but SS now.=C2=A0 Of course Rick is now a good friend.<u></u><u></u>=
</p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">There was also Curt or Kurt of Classic Sunbeams (I think tha=
t was the name), on the east coast.=C2=A0 I believe he and Rick worked toge=
ther in designing and getting many of the parts made.=C2=A0 So I would have=
 equally gone to Curt if not for my later friendship with Rick.=C2=A0 I don=
=E2=80=99t know if Curt is still out there.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">And now VB no longer exists either.=C2=A0 Just as well.=C2=A0 I don=E2=
=80=99t know where their inventory went.=C2=A0 But I=E2=80=99d still be car=
eful of buying any of it.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best,<u></u><u>=
</u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jay<u></u><u></u></p><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Apr =
2, 2021, at 7:57 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@aut=
ox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><=
u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">Stu<span class=3D"gmail-m_1300674458242781607apple-con=
verted-space">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1<sup>st</sup><span class=3D"gmail-m_1300674458242781=
607apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>you need to determine which style se=
at you have and compare to the illustrations in the SS catalog .=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 Joe Parlanti=E2=80=99s article is excellent for that style seat cover a=
nd similar covers but there is also a seat cover with a separate center sec=
tion.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Once you know which style, you can make an order.<u></u><=
u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">No matter which style seat you have =E2=80=93 al=
ways take pictures and take really good notes as you disassemble the seats.=
<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Disassembly is the easy=
 part =E2=80=93 its understanding the assembly process that takes time and =
thought to organize.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Som=
e parts may be SIDED so carefully note and mark them.<u></u><u></u></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">Check the condition of all the hardware and fasteners =E2=80=
=93 SS has most of them available.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">I had to also buy a couple of taps and dies, 1/4=E2=80=9D x 26 B=
SF and 5/16=E2=80=9D x 22 BSF, to clear up some threads.<u></u><u></u></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">I had bad luck a long time ago with the rubber diaphragms; =
they ripped and fell apart too quickly.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m not sure wh=
ere I got those diaphragms but the ones I got from SS are doing nicely.<u><=
/u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I believe the way to install the rubber diap=
hragms is to attach diagonal corners 1<sup>st</sup><span class=3D"gmail-m_1=
300674458242781607apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>then attach the rest =
of the clips.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The corners should be fairly easy but the rest of=
 them may become more difficult and require more effort as you proceed.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 It has been way too long since I did any of this work so work car=
efully.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u>=
</u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hope this helps<u></u><u></u></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><=
span class=3D"gmail-m_1300674458242781607apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</spa=
n>Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<span class=3D"gmail-m_1300674458=
242781607apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=3D"=
gmail-m_1300674458242781607apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span></b>Stu via =
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=3D"gmail-m_1300674458242781607apple-conve=
rted-space">=C2=A0</span>Thursday, April 01, 2021 7:52 PM<br><b>To:</b><spa=
n class=3D"gmail-m_1300674458242781607apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>T=
iger Net &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Tig=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"gmail-m_1300674=
458242781607apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>[Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild=
<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p=
></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
>I&#39;ve seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the =
seats, but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps.=C2=A0 My se=
ats from my Mk 1A=C2=A0 have the rubber diaphragm.=C2=A0 Is there any info =
on line about restoring Mk 1A seats?=C2=A0 I want to be sure I know what I&=
#39;m getting into before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping=
 mine apart.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div>=
</div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Stu</=
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